programming

[olive sable]

turtle graphics are pretty niche i feel, so idk if you'l find much comunity data

you could always make a database yourself

i did find this

https://turtlespaces.org/gallery/

is this it?

cuz i feel like its not the same thing but it did pop up when i was googling for it

turtleSpaces is an enhanced, modern implementation of turtle graphics, building upon the original Logo principles but extending them into a full 3D environment.

i guess its kinda what you're looking for

[nocturne olive]

Note: training LLMs on data from Discord is against TOS

[opaque wharf]

That implies turtle graphics is 2D, which may be what the dude wanted

Because he is talking about plotter or smth

Axidraw

[opaque wharf]

The data is not generated by other person on discord tho

[nocturne olive]

No need to label datasets for LLMs

[amber fractal]

Discord has a legal method to request your own data

[amber fractal]

Seconded, it is only the user in question

[fading blaze]

Ok so like

I don't want the LLM to run arbitrary python code on my computer

hopefully for obvious reasons

So I was thinking of giving the LLM a more limited set of turtle graphics commands

like it wouldn't even have flow control, the LLM will do all the flow control

so I was wondering if I first need to translate all the training data into the bespoke turtle language

or if I can just give it python and the LLM will be able to automagically do it

I found a good amount of training data to start

you thought traditional LLM art was bad. I am plagarising literal children here

[amber fractal]

This is not professional advice, but you could play around with limiting a python exec() to filter out unwanted commands.

I'm not even convinced the method I use is in standard

If I weren't on the road I'd post a code snippet as I basically ran into the behavior after experimenting.

[fading blaze]

I was thinking of scraping some tutel graphics programs in both python and logo. Then putting in the system prompt a new turtle graphics language and let the LLM itself do the translation

does that make sense?

[amber fractal]

For those unaware on what I recommend abusing.
exec has the signature of
exec(str|bytecode, globals, locals)
Normally one using a globals() instance here, but it can also accept a class laid out in a similar manner. Locals can be a dictionary (passed as a reference, so nice for keeping state)
More on the globals, you can remove stuff from builtins. Granted this alone does not handle imports so additional work is needed.

[fading blaze]

Does anyone have recommendations for a web scraper?

I was going to write one myself until I realized that was a dumb idea

[nocturne olive]

If you train it with tool calls and give it a proper prompt, maybe

[amber fractal]

I'd say it is possible if you get it to annotate variables it is using, just to be able to stop or restart as needed. Python does have annotations it can evaluate and store as objects to recover later, so it should be possible?

I'd say it needs some proper calling and very good prompting

[amber fractal]

To handle imports, I'd just import all that is expected and merge them into the scope; then just ban all imports.

[hoary lion]

what is jax even about

why does xla try like 50 different algorithms for convolution

[opaque sigil]

Aren't you the one using it, you tell me

[hoary lion]

😭 it aint that deep

[opaque sigil]

Benchmarking?

I mean it kinda is

[hoary lion]

i am not even trying to jit it

[opaque sigil]

cudnn runs a bunch of stuff in the background at startup too to find the best implementation

Or was it cublas idk

One of the two

[hoary lion]

cudnn

it is

[opaque sigil]

wasn't xla for tpus or am I tripping

[hoary lion]

its universal

[opaque sigil]

[hoary lion]

but for cuda devices xla uses cudnn i think

this is all the algorithm being tested for a simple model with 6 convolutional layers

help

[rough bloom]

it can but doesn't have to I think
at least that's the case for their SDPA implementation, it's likely that way for everything else too

[hoary lion]

i might have to check

maybe it might rely on just CUDA ig

[opaque sigil]

I mean, it says cudnn right there in the log

[rough bloom]

I think you can set the xla_gpu_autotune_max_solutions XLA flag to a lower value

down from 288 unlimited to something more sane
-# nvm that was a different value, apparently the default value is 0 = unlimited???

alternatively disable autotuning entirely but that seems bad for performance

[hoary lion]

yeah i also encountered that

im wondering if this is the reason behind JIT OOM

[stark needle]

hello humans

i see schizo JAX conversations

[hoary lion]

Like does hundredfold vram makes sense while other 1D conv is like only three times the original param size

[hoary lion]

Release me from this despair

[trim valve]

ok so my plan of rewriting my code to work in an action has so far been 90% writing actions files (and 10% writing scripts for those actions files)

behold the pinacle of programming

[tender river]

are you really doing ci if 90% of your entire codebase isnt just yaml files

[trim valve]

[noble zodiac]

you need more inception. Have ansible yaml file setup the ci environment

[hoary lion]

"my code is correct, it is the action that is incorrect"

probably claude or something

[trim valve]

now to actually write the rust

[noble zodiac]

don't tell daddy microsoft but I have a github action that creates a lxc VM, configures it with ansible and then runs tests on it

it might sound crazy but it actually makes total sense

[trim valve]

now to figure out if I can make it so rclone runs a command after every file it downloads

[stark needle]

pip install torch==2.7.0 'torch_xla[tpu]==2.7.0'

[hoary lion]

not going to happen

torch is bad

[stark needle]

true

[hoary lion]

too big and messy

[opaque sigil]

something can be bad and better than another thing

[hoary lion]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

i hope i get my reply on jax discrod

[twilit finch]

I'm going to dual boot windows and linux

[raven dock]

Do you always run on older versions of python?

[hoary lion]

I usually use 3.10 or 3.12

[raven dock]

I use 3.12 myself

[hoary lion]

fair, i don't like using cutting edge python versions especially for ML projects

[raven dock]

I'm kind of new to all of this and python, but once I realize it's pretty much Java I got the hang of it pretty quickly

[hoary lion]

you mentioned the forbidden language in #programming
now a lot of lost programmers would arise anytime soon

[raven dock]

It's not even the first language I've learned

I think the first one I learned was basic

[hoary lion]

wha

that 61 year old language?

[raven dock]

Probably

[twin swallow]

☠️

[raven dock]

It was taught by a grade 8 robotics teacher

I learned Java in grade 9

I've been crackalacking since grade 10

[trim valve]

do I make my action 50x more complicated by trying to involve caching or do I instead simply not care as I am only attacking google (and wasting gh actions compute time)

[sage crag]

both

waste more compute and do caching

[tender river]

if you care about ci execution time you probably should do it, otherwise maintenance burdens are bad is what i've learned

[trim valve]

its an action that only runs after every karaoke so

unless vedal does like 31 karaoke streams in a month I shouldn't get anywhere close to the limit

and that's also assuming it takes a gh runner about an hour to make the file, which I really damn hope it doesn't

[raven dock]

I've been thinking of many different ways on doing this, but I'll share once my guy is fully set up

[sage crag]

cache := fn($fnc: type): type {
    Inner := struct {
        cached: ?@TypeOf(fnc()) = null
    }
    return fn(invalidate: bool): @TypeOf(fnc()) {
        if invalidate Inner.cached = null
        Inner.cached ||= @inline(fnc)
        return Inner.cached.?
    }
}

func := cache(fn(): i32 {
    i: i32 = 0
    loop if i == 1 << 31 return 100 else i += 1
})

main := fn(): i32 {
    i := 0
    t: i32 = 0
    while i < 10 {
        t += func(false)
        i += 1
    }
    return t
}

rudimentary cache

comparison to uncached vs cached

[south needle]

Python f*******ing sucks (and yes i had to escape each '*')

using a single core on a 128 core machine

[hoary lion]

There is no async in python

[south needle]

there should be

[nocturne olive]

GIL moment

[hoary lion]

classic

[nocturne olive]

The GIl, or Global Interpreter Lock, prevents the Python interpreter from concurrently running code on more than 1 thread at once, presumably to avoid race conditions
Makes multithreaded processing not such a thing in Python though

[south needle]

Python: Job takes 1 core
Me: Implement Multiprocessing
Pytohn: Copying results over to main process takes one core

[hoary lion]

exactly GIL moment

[south needle]

I JUST WANT TO EXECUTE MY WORK

[nocturne olive]

Then use a more sensible language like Kotlin that allows for multithreaded code

[rare bramble]

ye, all kinds of multi core procesing is kind of painful in python

[rare bramble]

or Rust 🦀

[hoary lion]

rust people are everywhere

[nocturne olive]

I should learn Rust at some point

[south needle]

I do love rust, but I dont want to spend years of coding for a single conversion task

[hoary lion]

ill just chill with my ML python

heavy lifting is not my job

[south needle]

Simple Problem: Convert 11 TB of data into different 11 TB of data

[nocturne olive]

I use Python only for ML tasks, other than that I use other, more sensible programming languages that actually have a type system

[opaque sigil]

python does have a type system

[south needle]

shut up

[nocturne olive]

Not really a great one, it's terrible

[hoary lion]

it does

[opaque sigil]

there's worse tbh

[nocturne olive]

True (JS)

[hoary lion]

at least it is built in now

[sage crag]

did you know you can bake bread without crust using electricity

[hoary lion]

unlike js

[sage crag]

[nocturne olive]

JS really sucks, the type system essentially doesn't exist, there's not even a differentiation between ints and floats

[opaque sigil]

aaaaaaaany day the types as comments proposal will go through

there technically kind of is

but that's only for arrays

[sage crag]

this is why hblang would be optimal for screeps

[opaque sigil]

unless you want to count v8's small integers

[south needle]

maybe i am just not built for using python, maybe i am the problem and i have to adapt to the language

[sage crag]

nyope keep complaining about python

that's how it gets better

[opaque sigil]

[south needle]

might as well just solve it by shoving 'rm -rf python' up tho commandline

[sage crag]

rm -rf $(which python)

bye bye

darn

[south needle]

i wrote 17k lines of bullshit

[sage crag]

17kloc of python

bwa

[south needle]

same :/

[amber fractal]

for chatter in chatters:
    if randint(0,1):
        del chatter

[tender river]

[sage crag]

i lived

[opaque sigil]

[south needle]

we've at least tried

[sage crag]

modify your $PATH variable to not include the dir of which python

[sage crag]

termux

[tender river]

big deal i can bake crustless bread using a knife

[sage crag]

you better have a sharp knife

[amber fractal]

I'm out of the house

[tender river]

command -v

[sage crag]

make it look like this or im getting a refund

[tender river]

1000 degree knife vs bread

[amber fractal]

[sage crag]

its gone

run python

does it work

[sage crag]

python dead

2025-07-29

ripbozo

[amber fractal]

time to restart termux

[tender river]

or just apt reinstall python

[sage crag]

awa

[hoary lion]

awa

[tender river]

awa

[amber fractal]

awa

[untold basin]

awa?

[amber fractal]

I mostly use the other one for python anyways

termux still functions at least

[sage crag]

nominative determinism suggests you will become a leaf at some point in your life

[sage crag]

meow

3 3 meow lol

[tender river]

bark bark?

[sage crag]

what is she

[hoary lion]

what

[tender river]

carcinization suggests i will become a crab

[amber fractal]

crab is good

[sage crag]

decomposition suggests you will become soil

[tender river]

and then leaf

[sage crag]

and then crab?

oops im shaking its time to eat

[amber fractal]

Did I ask to be a bot?

[tender river]

eat more frequently

[sage crag]

i eat as frequently as necessary

[tender river]

necessary doesnt mean appropriate

[sage crag]

function pointer

[tender river]

true

[twilit finch]

WHY IS IT SOOOOO HARD TO FIND A USB TO INSTALL LINUX

[sage crag]

step 1

get a usb

step 2

youre done

[twilit finch]

all my usbs are at my dads. im at my mums...

[amber fractal]

EtchDroid may be something. Somehow it exists

[twilit finch]

then its going to take 2 hours to copy linux onto the usb great.

[amber fractal]

Mystery on how plugging in a device with that running becomes a usb drive with a ISO loaded

[tender river]

https://store.nethunter.com/packages/com.softwarebakery.drivedroid/

[twilit finch]

i have apple...

[amber fractal]

[twilit finch]

This happened earlier btw

wifi said neuro is live

[amber fractal]

very based notifcation

[keen swift]

Async rust is painful
Or maybe I just used the wrong IDE

[tender river]

ide doesnt affect the language experience much

[amber fractal]

It'd be more like what async runtime your using, but also async is painful by default.

[tender river]

async (in rust) is just state machines

[sage crag]

depends on how low you are willing to go

for the average person using async its "add tokio, await everywhere"

[opaque sigil]

i love state machines

[tender river]

until they hit a "type T is Unpin" issue and curse themselves and their computer

[opaque sigil]

deserved tbh

[keen swift]

It is when you only get error when you save the file and like wtf?

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

sounds like someone needs to turn on autosave

[sage crag]

only error linting on saving file how will i survive

[tender river]

oh did you use rustrover

[keen swift]

Now I am, I was using Zed

But now my laptop is very laggy

[tender river]

just use vscode with rust-analyzer

[sage crag]

add := cache(fn(args: @Any()): i32 {
    @syscall(1, 1, "computing...\n".ptr, "computing...\n".len)
    return args.x + args.y
}, struct{.x: i32; .y: i32})

main := fn(): i32 {
    i := 0
    r: i32 = 0
    while i < 100 {
        r = add(false, .(1, 2))
        i += 1
    }
    return r
}

cache with args

[opaque sigil]

zed uses rust-analyzer too iirc

[sage crag]

it only caches the last return value so this is an entirely useless example

bwa

[opaque sigil]

where's my LRU cache

[tender river]

not really useless since the principle can be extended

[keen swift]

I know VSCode would handle non-saved file so idk what going on with zed

[sage crag]

im not writing an lru cache

[tender river]

i am

lsp

[sage crag]

Inner := struct {
    cached: ?@TypeOf(fnc(@as(Args, idk))) = null
    args: ?Args = null
}

this is all you get

[sage crag]

you're writing everything

[opaque sigil]

step 1: write an entire ecosystem
step 2: you may now write the language server

[tender river]

in order to write an lsp, you must first write the universe

[sage crag]

cache := fn($fnc: type, $Args: type): type {
    Inner := struct {
        cached: ?@TypeOf(fnc(@as(Args, idk))) = null
        args: ?Args = null
    }
    return fn(invalidate: bool, args: Args): @TypeOf(fnc(@as(Args, idk))) {
        if invalidate || Inner.args == null || Inner.args.? != args {
            Inner.cached = null
            Inner.args = args
        }

        Inner.cached ||= @inline(fnc, args)
        return Inner.cached.?
    }
}

the mechanism here is funny

cached and args are global scope because they are inside of Inner

they arent struct members, just free variables

oh im wasting a byte

[tender river]

you noticed

[keen swift]

Maybe it's not a great idea to write Cloudflare worker in rust...

[sage crag]

reading is hard

[tender river]

ezhd

[sage crag]

true

i actually wasted two bytes

ideally i would also save the hash of the args rather than the args themselves but

boring

[tender river]

this means you can make cache return a function with the exact argument count required it will just be a bit repetitive like tuples code in rust or haskell

[sage crag]

$if @len_of(T) == 0 return fn... else $if @len_of(T) == 1 return fn...

[tender river]

something something linked lists would've fixed her

[sage crag]

len: enum(uint) { .one; .two; .three } = @bit_cast(@len_of(T))
$match len {
  .one => return fn...,
  .two => return fn...,
}

hmm yes enums

[tender river]

enum

[sage crag]

enum

num 🔢

[tender river]

[hoary lion]

oh shi

new nnx version droppe

[twilit finch]

yay my usb was created with this name
UBUNTU_3457345743584375252357743897583757320527520754375275234353572357257359257235725247242275298572946244724326424692347242342492642596353904540563052340234723473247247265236582354723523572357623562353625235636525623956235235623472497235957295623956294295252035

[opaque sigil]

and this is why i just have a 64gb stick with ventoy that i throw isos at

[twilit finch]

i have a 128gb stick on my keys...

[opaque sigil]

https://www.iventoy.com/en/index.html huh i didn't know this was a thing

[twilit finch]

im going to install ventoy later ig

[twilit finch]

i done that with a nas but i wiped the nas on accident...

[opaque sigil]

[twilit finch]

Uhh where’s my usb also boot a iso file doesn’t work

[tender river]

accident

headphones slammed on the numpad

[twilit finch]

Is it weird when you shutdown your pc and there’s just no noise anymore?

[opaque sigil]

i sure would hope that a pc that's off doesn't make noise

[twilit finch]

The Linux experience

[rigid snow]

what if i put a bluetooth speaker in it

[twilit finch]

THE BLUETOOTH DEVICE IS READY TO PAIR

[keen swift]

Enjoying my miserable life rn with my laptop going insane

[opaque sigil]

why does my gpu suddenly drop frames on youtube like crazy when i open powerpoint, wtf is this

[keen swift]

Maybe Google want you to use Google Slide

[opaque sigil]

i'd be down but my uni account is linked to microsoft so that'd make things unnecessarily annoying

[sturdy fossil]

Does anyone remember what the code editor that Vedal uses?

[opaque sigil]

cursor?

idk if he still uses it but that's the last i saw him use

[sturdy fossil]

THAT is the one... I couldnt remember lol

I personally use VS community 2022, but with my new PC going live next week, I wanted to weight my options

[opaque sigil]

idk how people can use visual studio

i guess more power to you, i could never

[sturdy fossil]

I use it because I do a ton of AB admin work with Oracle and MS SQL and I can integrate it into Visual Studios

[opaque sigil]

makes sense

not that i envy you

[sturdy fossil]

I hate having to flip back and forth between windows if I can help it

[opaque sigil]

yeeeeeah

[sturdy fossil]

that and I use a metic sh$% ton of PowerShell and it can run natively on Microsoft products. But I am also always looking for less bloat ware which VS is

[opaque sigil]

be that person running powershell on linux

[sturdy fossil]

but with my new job being Linux based, I can get away from MS products

[sturdy fossil]

That is my next task, my team lead want me to investigate it

[opaque sigil]

i've never actually looked into how usable pwsh is on linux tbh, maybe i should

[tender river]

why do that to yourself

[opaque sigil]

suppose they can just strip out all the very windows specific things that don't have an equivalent

i'd take pwsh over bash any day of the week if it wasn't so miserable due to posix compliance

[tender river]

powershell is awfully verbose for my liking

maybe its good for long scripts but at that point just use python

[opaque sigil]

i can't argue against that

[tender river]

i understand using powershell on linux if you have an existing codebase though

[opaque sigil]

there's nu if you want to be that person

[sturdy fossil]

PowerShell is best use case for using on Windows so if you have a script the needs to run on both... then PS would be ideal...

[opaque sigil]

i should probably do that, just use powershell for all my dotfiles scripts

bash kinda works on windows too though

[tender river]

i'd rather just use something like https://github.com/luke-clifton/shh or something custom at that point

[opaque sigil]

of course this exists

[sturdy fossil]

yeah, in a limited bases. I wrote my own modules and classes in PS so it helps, but the data I am pulling is from VERY large research Oracle and MS SQL databases

I have even begun to write my own launchers for applications/Renpy games in C#, but I just started doing that

[keen swift]

Ig using a incomplete framework in a type strict environment is a terrible idea

[twilit finch]

i need help with linux

[green iron]

any specific questions?

[faint sandal]

and then I spent another 5 minutes confused why downloading the supposedly latest installer from LW's site doesn't work; launching the browser would give me "you're trying to launch librewolf with a newer profile that cannot be run on an older version of the browser"

because it turns out the download page on WL's website does not offer the latest release build

it's two major versions behind

you have to go their gitlab to grab the latest version

what is this browser man

[tender river]

the windows version is kinda second class they used to only distribute it with package managers

[vernal ice]

Was wondering something while watching a karaoke vod, does anyone know how Evil's background works from a technical standpoint? The outline effect is really cool and I've been thinking about how it works. I'm assuming it's a greenscreen that creates an outline of evil, mirrors it, then creates the red shilloute every X amount of seconds + random red slashes for extra flavor. If anyone knows what software is being used I'd love to know!

[faint sandal]

I don't feel like that's an excuse to not update their download page this could have easily been added to a CI pipeline

especially when their gitlab release tags already looks like it's part of one

this is what it looks like on their website right now

[sage crag]

https://github.com/OpenCut-app/OpenCut/pull/479
lgtm

[faint sandal]

I'd have to imagine this was automatically updated at some point but it broke

[desert plaza]

it's probably custom software

custom shaders and such

[faint sandal]

https://fxtwitter.com/RenwaX23/status/1950295895070953978

‌Renwa (@RenwaX23)

Apple awarded me only $1,000 for this bug, I should quit this bug bounty thing and get a real job.

Quoting ‌Renwa (@RenwaX23)
︀
CVE-2025-30466: Safari <18.4 UXSS to bypass Same-Origin Policy with CVSS of Critical 9.8 🔴 ;)
︀︀
︀︀support.apple.com/en-us/122379#:~:text=Impact%3A%20A%20website%20may%20be%20able%20to%20bypass%20Same%20Origin%20Policy

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FxTwitter · Jul 29, 2025, 8:42 PM

lmao UXSS for 1k

absolutely pitiful

[split osprey]

is plateauing loss in only a few epochs a bad sign

[nocturne olive]

Depends on the type of model

What kind of model is it?

[twilit finch]

I just managed to wipe my whole D: Drive containing the whole Neuro-Sama chatbot python script and all my games while trying to install Arch

And I told arch to install it on SDA2 not SDA1

[nocturne olive]

When installing Linux distros with more complex installation processes, I would recommend unpluggin all drives but the one you want to install to

[twilit finch]

I also lost my background for my stream...

[nocturne olive]

Drives getting wiped accidentally is exactly why you unplug them

[twilit finch]

I tried to install it to a 60gb partiton on the drive not the whole drive so thats not a option in my case,

[nocturne olive]

Then it's just what's called "user error"

[twilit finch]

I'm going to join a vc and share my capture card and mute i guess

for no reason

lmao

[split osprey]

im training a discrete vq vae on my gameplay data

[nocturne olive]

So what does it do?

Also, gaming models should be trained with reinforcement learning, not pretraining

[split osprey]

it compresses the gameplay data into a latent space and learns to reconstruct them to be mostly accurate, and also stores codes of images and sequences (like keypresses mouse presses etc) into a codebook as a form of memory

[split osprey]

its part of a bigger system

im trying to do the dreamerv3 system

[nocturne olive]

Do you have a separate validation and training set?

[split osprey]

im training it separately from the world policy because i was having trouble training them altogether and the loss weights messing with eacvh other

[split osprey]

ytes

but i havent even gotten a good result yet so idk what to do when the loss plateaus, i've tried a lot of stuff but it just seems the loss plateaus too fast

[nocturne olive]

Does the training loss keep going down and the validation loss flatten out, or the training loss flatten out and the validation loss shoots up?

[split osprey]

we sort of kind of evaluate the model already by measuring how far off it is from the reconstruction by the mae of the pixel reconstruction, and that looks good on paper

it got a lot lower this time around with some hyperparamter tuning, but the loss still plateaud so im worried about that, i'll have to see when i train the policy with the vq vae to see if it really got better

[nocturne olive]

Either your loss method is bad, you should not train it for so long, or your data is too small

[split osprey]

it might be my data, its only 1 hour of 20fps footage, but the footage is pretty diverse and full of action

[twilit finch]

im sharing my hdmi in general... for like no reason im about to boot into the install of Arch

[split osprey]

and the vq vae is pretty small too so I'd think itd not overfit

[nocturne olive]

For comparison, NeuroSynth takes a couple thousand epochs to flatten out, and is trained on about 1GB of audio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49CrynNZAR0
And the end result is absolutely not too bad

[split osprey]

sounds awesome

i have 2400 2 second chunks of gameplay at 20fps, so about 80 minutes of gameplay, so about 96,000 frames

at 128x128

[nocturne olive]

128x128 seems a bit tiny

Are you sure that's enough to capture sufficient detail?

[split osprey]

If I could only see 128x128, for this particular game it'd be okay

[nocturne olive]

What kind of training hardware do you have by the way? I run NeuroSynth runs on a 3090

[split osprey]

I have a 3090 too

[nocturne olive]

What game may that be, if I may ask?

[split osprey]

a roblox game

"infectious smile"

its fairly linear

but complex enough to warrant a world model and stuff

[nocturne olive]

Try increasing the resolution to 240p, and see what happens

[split osprey]

Perhaps

im also worried about being able to inference the model at 20hz in realtime too

[nocturne olive]

If you don't have enough detail to require the model to accurately reproduce what you do, you'll just end up with the model overfitting some bad pattern that gets close enough

[split osprey]

heres a small visualization of my training data

if it'll load...

[nocturne olive]

Parts of that kinda look too grainy
Too much noise needs much more data to eventually average out of it

Especially the walls

[split osprey]

honestly I"d have thought keeping the resolution low would have made things easier

[nocturne olive]

Too low will not work

[opaque sigil]

low res never makes things easier, it only makes it computationally feasible under some circumstances

[nocturne olive]

You want to get a balance where the resolution is high enough that it accurately captures detail while not being so high that it's unreasonable

[opaque sigil]

but yeah you probably want to smoothen this somehow

[split osprey]

I recorded my data in 128x128 which means i kinda have to rerecord it again, to avoid this in the future what res should I record at

[nocturne olive]

For audio models you want to use as high quality audio as possible, in the case of NeuroSynth 44.1kHz 16-bit

[nocturne olive]

Just capture at native and downsample with ffmpeg

[split osprey]

good idea

[twilit finch]

I’m going to install arch then let my games download over night (in windows)

Uhh I need help I just installed arch and it booted to Grub terminal

[nocturne olive]

Did you install a desktop environment?

And configure stuff?

[twilit finch]

I done the easy install

Ohh it’s booting now but there’s no desktop so ima download that

[hoary lion]

hello programming individuals

two days have past

and I am still stuck on OOM while jitting

[nocturne olive]

Try using less memory

[hoary lion]

i have no idea how

This is my model

[nocturne olive]

Have you checked its size in parameters and bytes per paramter, wheather the dataset is loaded into VRAM or not, and how much VRAM you need for batch size? Among other things like if there's attention then that needs some VRAM too

[hoary lion]

the if __name__ == '__main__': with single 32 batch size tensor emulating 7 seconds of 24khz audio is all I have and I get OOM. This is not about VRAM yet 😭

Let me check vram usage per iteration though

so that Multi-STFTD architecture makes me have three different models

each having 6 convolutional layer

but parameter-size wise, that is still crazy to have OOM

[nocturne olive]

When training a model, batch size is what takes the most VRAM usually, or if you load the dataset into VRAM then that

[hoary lion]

There are so many issues with JAX for me

😭

[nocturne olive]

Basically any time I see ML models it's all PyTorch

Or ONNX if only inference

If you don't specifically need something JAX provides, you should try Torch

[hoary lion]

big no!

you are being possessed by using OOP in ML

this is for TPU, but XLA is universal so the code that works in free 2x 5090 server must go flawlessly well on TPUs

[nocturne olive]

I don't know, it works really well, so what can you do

[hoary lion]

fair point but JIT and shit in torch is ass

due to its too many implicit global state changes

are you using lightning?

[nocturne olive]

And what may that be?

[hoary lion]

https://lightning.ai/docs/pytorch/stable/

i've heard that this is the relatively more industrial standard using torch

cause that un-reproductible state of implicit PRNG keys changing every run on default torch

fuck my phone is also dying

shit is not going well this week

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[opaque sigil]

i like lightning, is nice

takes away a lot of the annoying boilerplate while not being too restrictive

[sage crag]

me too, especially if its raining

[midnight sigil]

I like raining before I moved, as I can hear the dropplets hitting my window and making some pleasant white noise

now they only hit on my AC's compressor unit, and making metal hit sounds

buh

[amber fractal]

rain on the window is one of the better sounds, metal is nope

[midnight sigil]

it's inconsistent as well, it's in irregular patterns

which made it much more annoying

[opaque sigil]

There's a tin roof not too far from my window so it does get very loud sometimes when it rains but hey, at least it's consistent I guess

[faint sandal]

i was wondering why the hell my code started acting up after i fed it to claude

turns out it thought it was being helpful by turning one of the two if statements into if and elif

context

if is_valid_hostname(artifact):
    entry_target_type = "hostname"
if is_valid_ip(artifact):
    entry_target_type = "ip"

it thought it was being helpful by making it

if is_valid_hostname(artifact):
    entry_target_type = "hostname"
elif is_valid_ip(artifact):
    entry_target_type = "ip"

[amber fractal]

If you flipped the branches it would be, unless the checks are stateful

it was being stupid because it doesn't understand the output table it is trying to map to

very basic stuff that the LLM should know if it had a brain

[hoary lion]

"I'm not wrong, your test is" - claude, after removing all the tests that raises issue

[amber fractal]

Name a programmer

[olive sable]

goodmoring

i have mostly fixed my sleepschedule

its 7.30am now

[hoary lion]

i hope my jax tracer can tell me if this is a cudnn issue

I believe in shuni's wise words

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

[hoary lion]

oh hell nah

sam

do you remember my gpu randomly died

when heavy operation

[olive sable]

nope

my memory is bad

ooohhh

your 3070ti that shut of at 100% load?

[midnight sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6ct8BB64ew

[hoary lion]

its just 3070 but yea

i think that messed up my pc

probably returned it to previous recovery point

man

[opaque wharf]

I have not

[olive sable]

skill issue

[opaque wharf]

I just slept like, almost 18 hours tho on the weekend, so at least I got that

[olive sable]

more sleep != better

you need to be consistent

18h of sleep is worse than 10

[rare bramble]

oh damn, we share recommendations

[sage crag]

awa

[olive sable]

awa

hi konii

[sage crag]

hello

[olive sable]

do you support hdmi konii?

[sage crag]

nyope

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

vga only

[olive sable]

VGA???

[sage crag]

yuh

[olive sable]

not even analogue?

[sage crag]

nyope

480p@1hz

[olive sable]

analogue supports 480p

[amber fractal]

thoughts on composite video

[olive sable]

good

[sage crag]

yup

[olive sable]

no composite even?

[sage crag]

vga

[olive sable]

scart?

[sage crag]

vga

[olive sable]

you cant seriously only have vga

what kind of tv are you?

[sage crag]

vga

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

dvi?

that took a solid minute to send

bwaa

[olive sable]

bwaa

[sage crag]

abwaa

[rare bramble]

aawb

[sage crag]

data farm

i think you are being too lenient with the squares

[amber fractal]

my internet being so bad that this is loading is making it more funny then it should be

[sage crag]

lol

[amber fractal]

every time it loads it returns to frame 0 before continuing

For some reason it does not pause on current frame

[faint sandal]

that's how it feels like

[amber fractal]

true

[stark needle]

google farming Waymo training data

[hoary lion]

lmfao

[toxic goblet]

Hello
I am a fullstack && senior blockchain engineer with none-business-very technical background.
Worked in the EMURGO company nearly a year ago with supporting the project development and now working as a freelancer in Discord supporting the client.
All my life I learnt valuable thing by client and peers and here I am now, lonely engineer, looking for cool client and peers to share and connect with.
looking forward to cooperation.

[sage crag]

smells like an advert

[olive sable]

a simple "hello " would have sufficed

this is not really a profesional environment

[hoary lion]

hello this place isn't that deep

we joke around about failures and successes

and most importantly

[olive sable]

what even is a fullstack?

[hoary lion]

neuro

[hoary lion]

you cut my comment 😠

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

seconded

[olive sable]

"none-business-very"

is that even a word?

[hoary lion]

thats what dashses about

concatenate in deutsch style 🔥

[olive sable]

ye but what is it supposed to mean?

[hoary lion]

not so business friendly career background(probably mean no big tech corp background)

i have no idea tbh

[sage crag]

how would we know they are a senior blockchain engineer though

[olive sable]

id rather not know tbh

im not a fan of the blockchain

[hoary lion]

blockchain bros have shit ton of money

which i question where do they even come from

[amber fractal]

lets go gambling

(they are the 1% that won)

[sage crag]

they spawn like minecraft silverfish

you mine too much cryptocurrency and they just pop out

[amber fractal]

tech is useful, applications aren't

not yet anyways

[olive sable]

fair

[sage crag]

the cost of dynamic dispatch

ah i forgot a comment

not quite

179 out/x86_64-linux/main

105 byte cost

though its pretty unfair since with the noop allocator, it gets inlined and compiled out

[olive sable]

i have done the image views

now i just need

the shader modules, the render passes, the framebuffers, the command buffers, the frames in flight, the vertex buffers, the index buffers, the uniform handling, the texture mapping, the depth buffer, and the multisampling

the long list is decreasing

[sage crag]

@desert plaza i got a challenge for you

[desert plaza]

[sage crag]

here is the (unstripped) binary in case you get bored of looking at numbers

there's also a funny bug in this binary that you wont notice in the hexdump because there are no function labels

[opaque wharf]

Dude, you seriously need to touch grass

How many days have you spent compiling by hand?

[olive sable]

pancake brek

ive eaten pancakes every single day fdor the last 5 days i think

easy meal

the vulkan is going slow but steady, im probabyl doing 30 lines of code per hour

[desert plaza]

[desert plaza]

day 3 of writing program that prints file size

[opaque wharf]

Eat your veggies man

Steam/boiled carrots is tasty sweet and crunchy

[sage crag]

do you want an idea of what this program does

like, genre tags

[desert plaza]

what's a genre tag

[sage crag]

so, when you are browsing a library

you might look for books of a specific genre

i.e. sci-fi, thriller, action

i can tell you the genre of the program

[desert plaza]

i'll go through the whole hexdump first, then we'll see if i need help

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-pepe-nods-pepenods-notdan-ascii-gif-9044125390778381255

[sage crag]

you are not sane

[desert plaza]

ik

[orchid crescent]

HELOO GUYZ

HOW R U'

[opaque wharf]

Are you tho?

[sage crag]

hmm

maybe

[opaque wharf]

What is the split in this maybe? 70-30?

[sage crag]

depends

[olive sable]

i eat veggies in the evening

we have actually cooked meals then

noon is just eating cuz you have to

[olive sable]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aqZPRXkHVsY

[sage crag]

i should have given you the hexdump of the stripped binary

would be less to look at

unless you want to see the whole thing

[olive sable]

imma be honest, cyberpunk 2077 doesnt seem that farfetched anymore.
2077 actually seems like a reasonable timeline

[opaque wharf]

Isn't the stripped binary contains less info?

[sage crag]

yup

[opaque wharf]

So you just enjoy torturing him even more

[sage crag]

it would probably make it less torturous because less ELF to parse

[opaque wharf]

Ahh

Those damn pointy ears

[sage crag]

plus the way i strip binaries combines and packs the code & data segments into the .text segment

for optimal minification

so it would be more typical of a handwritten binary

[opaque wharf]

Making the mechanical part is easy. Powering it and control is where the real prosthetic development is

[olive sable]

ye i know

the main focus of that video was the control

[opaque wharf]

Oh nice then

[olive sable]

did you watch it?

[opaque wharf]

I have not

[olive sable]

basicly they put fake muscles in the leg and then measure the electricity on them to power the servo

and the fake leg gets inserted directly into your bones instead of just being strapped around your leg

[opaque wharf]

Fake muscle as in directly interfacing with the neurons?

[olive sable]

yes

those "reinnervated muscle grafts"

they're connected directly to the nerves and then measured

if this isnt cyberpunk then idk what is

[desert plaza]

it's not even that much

[sage crag]

you are a cpu

[desert plaza]

beep boop

[sage crag]

slowest bytecode interpreter

[desert plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/no-brain-loading-slow-gif-8465847256202919615

[opaque wharf]

Says the TV with only VGA

[tender river]

i havent used anything besides vga and hdmi in my life

well i suppose displayport for valve index counts

[sage crag]

awa

[opaque wharf]

Not even composite?

[tender river]

no

[faint sandal]

https://fxtwitter.com/B_E_N__S_W_O_L/status/1950493986864697405

BIG_BOI (@B_E_N__S_W_O_L)

@AzakaSekai_

**💬 1 👁️ 40 **

FxTwitter · Jul 30, 2025, 9:49 AM

this gif is exactly it LMAO

how i feel when dealing with these captcha

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

writing a fucking text editor again, though it's a bit easier in swift

[olive sable]

Heisenberg is famous for being a great scientist, yet his main principle is about him being uncertain, so was he really that great?

[rigid snow]

one inconvenient thing is that String.Index is its own type, and you have to index strings using it

oh and everything else works, the "global touchbar" private apis, the keyboard interception and cancelling while recieving actual unicode, and programmatically typing arbitrary strings

idk how difficult it will be to stream json from an llm provider though to deserialize it on the fly

because i wanna use structured_outputs

[opaque wharf]

JSON ser-de is a solved problem (hopefully)

[rigid snow]

nonono

you don't get what i mean

i mean deserializing partial json

it is a solved problem but probably not in swift

[glass flower]

i don't think you do...

[rigid snow]

do you not?

[glass flower]

idk tho... seems a bit insane to just deserialize json on the fly

[rigid snow]

i need to stream tokens in to type the output gradually

rust?

oh

[glass flower]

im watching a rust video so i got it mixed up in my head

https://overreacted.io/progressive-json/

i think you want this

[rigid snow]

https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/structured-outputs/structured-outputs#streaming

We recommend relying on the SDKs to handle streaming with Structured Outputs.
surely one that supports this exists for swift

[rigid snow]

no i'm familiar with the article, it's about the approach next.js takes

they invented a new format basically

i need to deser actual json

[glass flower]

but.. wouldn't streaming in json. be basically what is described in this article?

or maybe a similar implementation to this? https://github.com/chung-leong/progressive-json

[rigid snow]

imagine an llm typing an output in json, what you receive is standard json that is never complete until the request is done. it's not in this format

[rigid snow]

i can always look at how it's implemented in openai sdk

[opaque wharf]

This is overly complicating things

[rigid snow]

it's really not, and i can explain why

this is even needed in the first place

[opaque wharf]

I would hope that an API already provides the structure of the JSON beforehand, then you could use JSON patch

Here is my idea: send the JSON schema

Then send the data using json patch

[rigid snow]

you do with structured outputs

you send a json schema

[opaque wharf]

Ye, the schema gets an ID, then the server can send the patch

Much better and standard IMHO

[violet sand]

I don't get why one would want progressive json.
If u just need to load metadata before, some big blob of data aren't you just able to store the metadata, in http header, and then unpack it before you ever start receiving the blob in the body?

[rigid snow]

maybe they do hm

[opaque wharf]

Nah, the advantage of JSON is you don't need to know the structure of the data in advance to communicate. Storing it on the header requires that advance knowledge.

By sending the schema, then JSON still gets the advantage that the data structure can be arbitrary

[violet sand]

Huh, a bit situational but I guess I can see it being useful.

[rigid snow]

on the dan abramov article: basically with http and html you were always able to stream page contents in as they were ready, however they would need to be in order (at the end of the page at a given time). what nextjs does is basically the same but with script tags instead iirc so you can stream in react server components into any part of the dom - i think them being tags that only applies to the initial page load, so they have to use something else for navigating/other user events so you don't refresh and reset state. the article is about that

[opaque wharf]

Even swift has a library for it already
https://jsonpatch.com/

[rigid snow]

or probably the format they use in those script tags even

[violet sand]

Ya, I don't know much about react server components, so I'm a bit confused on that last part.

[rigid snow]

basically async react components rendered exclusively on the server but they can be seamlessly inserted into client ones/vice versa

for directly fetching from db/apis inside the components

[violet sand]

Ohh so it essentially renders in the html on the server, and then progressively streams it to the client same way regular http/html would displaying it as it comes in. If I got it correctly

[rigid snow]

not really, the point is it has to be json, not html

which is why this is needed

and gets rendered to html on the client

[violet sand]

A, ya I assumed they were sending progressive json, and converting it to html on the client as it comes in. I phrased that one poorly there

[rigid snow]

it's for passing props to components basically

not everything is html, you can have client components inside server ones, which means you have to stream the data that gets passed to them

because server components are inherently async from the need of making web requests, nevermind the fact that they are actually async

i'm not a react maintainer though i am 100% wrong on some of the things

[rigid snow]

https://github.com/lzell/AIProxySwift#how-to-stream-structured-outputs-tool-calls-with-openai I AM SAVED

wait it's tool calls right

nevermind

fuck

[opaque wharf]

[rigid snow]

it's so over

[violet sand]

Ya no I'm back to square one. I don't get it

My brain does not beep boop

One day, I will look in to it

[rough bloom]

I don't think the OpenAI API has what you're looking for
they just send completely separate JSON objects through SSE as stuff gets generated

[rigid snow]

do they

[rough bloom]

I'm pretty sure they do

[rigid snow]

i was going to look into it just now

and i’m still going to

[rough bloom]

they have the schemas for the various events here
https://platform.openai.com/docs/api-reference/responses-streaming

[rigid snow]

i’m on my phone and the page crashes on loop in webkit

[rough bloom]

well done OpenAI

[nocturne olive]

Probably had ChatGPT code their own website or something

[violet sand]

Okay nvm, I want to attempt to understand it again.

Server compoents:
Basically you send a req. to the server, the server generates HTML out of JS, and sends you just the HTML.

Where progressive JSON is needed:
If a JS function that generates the HTML takes in some parameter (props), you can use progressive JSON to start generating parts of HTML that already has enough data to be generated before all data arrives?

[opaque wharf]

That does not bode well lmao

But also, fuck webkit and apple for once trying to kill off pwa

[faint sandal]

I can't believe apple paid 1k for a UXSS on safari

dog ass bounty

[violet sand]

dam, that is not a lot

[rigid snow]

React will serve the output of the Page as a progressive JSON stream. On the client, it will be reconstructed as a progressively loaded React tree.

so basically i was wrong and apparently everything gets streamed as progressive json. for server components it’s the actual dom representation of the html, for client ones it’s the props. it’s needed because:

1. with the introduction of RSC some of the components become simultaneously asynchronous (like actually async function Component()) and in need of streaming to client for better ux;
2. the react element tree is nested json, and you need to somehow stream that progressively

[noble zodiac]

that sounds very complex all to generate html

[violet sand]

Imagine learning webdev for the first time

[noble zodiac]

it wouldn't be such a hellscape if it wasnt the realm of junior devs in their first job

[violet sand]

Okay I think I very roughly but understand whats going on.

[rigid snow]

the thing is it’s not always html tho, everyone always forgets that react-dom isn’t react

with this we have server components in react-native apps for example

[noble zodiac]

I always avoided react and co

[rigid snow]

theoretically you can do what fucking ever with this, rsc with react-three-fiber for server-defined 3d environments is what i just came up with

[violet sand]

I haven't done webdev in a while but I feel like if I will ever do it again, I will just use pure HTML, and JS

• tailwind

[rigid snow]

you don’t necessarily think about this stuff, RSC is magic for the average dev

[violet sand]

Only thing I will be sad about is that I will not have access to shadcn ui

[rigid snow]

it just works

[rigid snow]

you don’t need shadcn ui if you don’t want to write react because modifying the components to tailor your functional/design needs is the whole point of it

[violet sand]

Well ya, I just meant that I will have to write components completely from scratch, instead of being able to reach in to shadcn for a base

[rigid snow]

you’ll have to reinvent the component abstraction first

[violet sand]

Well the plan is to use web components

[rigid snow]

[opaque wharf]

Vue

[violet sand]

Yp, that's what I want to try if my plan fails spectacularly like my plans usually do

[rigid snow]

there's a community port of shadcn-ui for vue btw

[violet sand]

I just want to see what is the bizz, with the vue dev tools

[opaque wharf]

It is good when you need to debug app with complex state

Not to mention if the vue plugins support it like pinia and the like

I use pinia to remember the app state like which card is opened by the user on different screen

[violet sand]

https://tenor.com/view/anya-forger-taking-notes-oomfie-spy-x-family-memo-gif-8287618218761733944

[olive sable]

this glsl syntax highlighting extension has a colour picker built in

[opaque wharf]

There's also colour picker built in with css color/hex color plugins iirc

[olive sable]

i dont really use css so idk

the css stuff gets automatically generated by emscripten

[rigid snow]

i'm so tired of the swift lsp crashing 3 times a minute because it fails to insert inlays or something

how is this not an issue for anyone else or do they not give a shit

[opaque wharf]

Maybe its different on xcode

[rigid snow]

i'd rather die than use xcode tbh

and i don't think they use lsp

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, which is why maybe people just give up and use xcode

[tender river]

lsp crashes are an horrible experience

[violet sand]

Man I was wondering whats wrong with my Julia files, and I just noticed that I forgot to install LSP for Julia

[olive sable]

the file exstension feels kinda cursed ngl

but it feels weird to put the vs or fs into the left part

ES shaders for SPIR-V require version 310 or higher huh

i was using 300 es before cuz of webgl

lemme see if webgl supports 310

[rigid snow]

you can't make this shit up, sourcekit-lsp diagnose hangs

[olive sable]

'triangle.vs': file not recognized: File format not recognized .vs is apparently not accepted? i guess i need .vert?

it also specifically wants gl_VertexIndex instead of gl_VertexID

i was hoping i could just use the same shaders i was using for webgl but apparently not

we love bytecode

[nocturne olive]

I've seen SVP, but now SPV??

[tender river]

spirv

[olive sable]

ye

[nocturne olive]

I think I'll just stick to SynthV Project files

Though I don't even have SynthV, I just use them as intermediates

[olive sable]

SPIR-V is designed to be used with both Vulkan and OpenCL (both Khronos APIs). It is a format that can be used to write graphics and compute shaders

[nocturne olive]

How silly

[tender river]

its an intermediate representation language for shaders

lower level than something like glsl but high level enough not to be tied to a specific gpu vendor

[opaque wharf]

I love this artists
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/91199411

[opaque wharf]

Cells at work, but Neuro sama

[violet sand]

Is it similar to LLVM IR btw, or is it still a little higher level then that? (Never actually looked in to SPIRV files)

[tender river]

its pretty similar, both are ssa

[olive sable]

i downloaded an exstension to looks at spir-v, and while i have no clue what im looking at it looks pretty cool

[violet sand]

Yp, does look to be a little similar to some kind of ASM representation

[olive sable]

it doesnt like the fragment shader tho

recompiling worked

[violet sand]

I want to learn how SPIR-V works because, I belive thats what rust-gpu project uses, to turn rust in to shaders.

One day

[olive sable]

le fragment

seems to be shorter

[tender river]

you can just do it! today! https://github.com/google/spirv-tutor

[olive sable]

"These tutorials are currently only supported on Linux."

[tender river]

[olive sable]

i am changing to linux someday, just not rn

if i change il probably wipe my entire drive and i have too many projects going on rn for that

[violet sand]

Yo! I have given it a star.
I will come to it in around a month or so.

My dumb brain accidentally didn't count how many units I took for the summer semester, and I'm stuck doing 140 hours of work a week, for the next 4 weeks

[tender river]

my condolences

[violet sand]

I use nixos btw

[olive sable]

"i use ... btw" has become the linux phrase

there is not a single human i have heard say or type that without it being about linux

[violet sand]

U might want to look in to the state of this prj, when u will decide to make the switch
https://youtu.be/PMoXClh8emw

[violet sand]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-okay-anime-i-see-how-it-is-oh-yeah-girl-gif-15374900501137688907

[olive sable]

"university of waterloo"

he is in belgium confirmed

[violet sand]

thank u

[olive sable]

im coming for him

[olive sable]

fuck there is one in canada

how is it when you search university of waterloo you get canada and not the country where waterloo is?

thats a scam, they're stealing our good name

@gritty dust cheese your country is a scam

[violet sand]

Btw u can also just add NTFS driver to Linux, so u would be able to just use your windows hard drive. for the most part if I recall correctly

[nocturne olive]

Many distros just come with an NTFS driver out of the box, like the distro I chose

[violet sand]

wat is ur distro, tell me fellow cult member (Linux enjoyer)

[tender river]

ntfs3 is a kernel driver so you dont really need to install anything

ntfs-3g is still useful as it has some userspace utils

[nocturne olive]

I grabbed Mint, following one of my friends choosing to move to Mint and having a good experience

Seems their GPU is broken though

[olive sable]

nah i stand by what i said.
i will be nuking the ssd if i switch to linux

[violet sand]

Ahh, nice choice.
I'm much dumber then you, you see I went with NixOS. Only later learning that it is considered to be harder then Arch by some.

[violet sand]

Based

[olive sable]

???????????

you can tell make to use multiple cores?

[tender river]

yup

[olive sable]

it doesnt do that by default?????

[nocturne olive]

I just installed Linux on a new fresh SSD
It's not like I have a lack of those

[tender river]

make -j$(nproc) is a common idiom too

[violet sand]

Same with rust

[tender river]

rust is multicore by default

though only a single core per compile unit

but the crate graph is so bloated that gives a huge improvement

[violet sand]

Ohh, wait ya no, I thought he learned that he can specify the amounth of cores to use my fault

[nocturne olive]

Me when compiling llama.cpp: -j 12 (or something like that)

[olive sable]

i have cores for days, why was i not using them?
nobody told me this???

[noble zodiac]

[violet sand]

I only recently learned that u can get a 32 thread CPU for $300 nowadays. Pretty insane

[nocturne olive]

Use all the cores

[olive sable]

i got my 32 thread cpu + 64GB ram + mobo for 300 euro

[violet sand]

hot dam not bad

[nocturne olive]

My PC's multithread utilization improved significantly when I switched from Windows to Linux
Linux is just better at using cores

[olive sable]

i would be dissapointed if it wasnt

windows is famous for being dogshit at multithreading i feel

[nocturne olive]

Linux superiority

[violet sand]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-linux-is-better-why-linux-is-better-shitdos-windows-gif-19494703

[olive sable]

linux users when someone is even thinking about windows

yall take every chance you get to shit on windows for no reason

[nocturne olive]

Windows is just objectively bad

[olive sable]

we know

[nocturne olive]

Abandon Windows, embrace Linux

[olive sable]

i will

not yet

i have the gamefiles on here

[violet sand]

Next step become ricer

[nocturne olive]

Whar is thar?

[violet sand]

https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/

^

[nocturne olive]

You definitely will once Windows dies on you

[olive sable]

dies?

[nocturne olive]

Like mine

[olive sable]

i dont think windows will die anytime soon

[nocturne olive]

It literally stopped being able to even open the start menu

[violet sand]

It will not. It will do it slowly, and in pain from the Ai bloat.

[noble zodiac]

Im a linux user and have no problem with windows

[olive sable]

yall are extrapolating heavily here

[nocturne olive]

I don't get it

[olive sable]

the ai bloat is manageble and copilot hasnt even been released yet

[nocturne olive]

I'm not talking about the OS dying in the general sense of losing all market share, I'm talking about your installation imploding on itself

[olive sable]

on the upside i can ai remove stuff in paint now, which i like

[olive sable]

i think windows is designed to not do that, so on most pc's it wont

[violet sand]

AaAaaA.
Ricing, is basically extreme customization of how your desktop looks. Eg custom bars, screenshot utils, setting color themes across all your applications, e.t.c.

[nocturne olive]

Windows is designed to stay functional for one (1) day, then who cares, reboot or be at the mercy of your installation stability

[olive sable]

i turn off my pc every day

so thats fine for me

[nocturne olive]

How silly
I'm not the kind of person to care about looks, it's not like I know how to do art
I'm a programmer/vocal synthesist

[violet sand]

One of the reasons I switched, is due to Linux having rolling releases, and not requiring you to manually preform major updates eg 10 -> 11.

[olive sable]

i fell asleep with my pc on so apparently im at 2 days now

[violet sand]

For people like u we have config files, that u can steal from others

[nocturne olive]

At that point my Windows install would be unable to launch anything, no start menu, no settings, no software of any kind

[olive sable]

idk what to tell you

it works fine for me

[nocturne olive]

It's up to luck how long your stability period is after an update

It could be anything from 1 day to indefinite

[olive sable]

once i get into linux ill probably start hyperoptimizing everything.
i WILL be makign my own apps for stuff and i WILL edit the entire menu and stuff

[nocturne olive]

How particularly silly
But as I said, as a programmer and vocal synthesist I don't particularly care about looks

[violet sand]

My advanced condolonses, I went trough that

[opaque wharf]

konii, I think you just have another potential AbleCorp employee

[olive sable]

i am plannign on fuckign around with hblang sometime ye

[violet sand]

Ur desktop be like
https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/1m0pgl8/dtwm_i_think_i_accidentally_created_the_worst/#lightbox

[olive sable]

just have too much on my plate rn with projects and game-dev

[olive sable]

wow wow wow, we cant have that word on our christian minecraft server

the british have some type of ban for disocrd now idk

[nocturne olive]

It's more like this

[olive sable]

konii will get yeeted by the online safety act

[olive sable]

that isnt optimized enough for my taste

[violet sand]

Idk why but in my head I keep on thinking it is saying unixpron, and there for it is fine, even though it does not

[olive sable]

nah im a graphics programmer, i do think i could make it better than that

[noble zodiac]

My linux stup doesnt even have any menus or icons I could click on

[violet sand]

My desktop

[olive sable]

tehn what in the fuck are you running on? is it all console based?

[violet sand]

Based

[olive sable]

hmm, idk...
how does one close the application there???

[violet sand]

Fun fact: Its actually default for hyprland

[violet sand]

Hover, win+c

[olive sable]

what

ye nah im not having that

[noble zodiac]

not having graphical menus doesnt mean I cant use graphical programs

[olive sable]

ye i know

[violet sand]

I just hover over the window, it gets automatically selected, and I close it by pressing "Win+C"
Tho, I actually have nvim control binds, so I can switch between windows using "Win+H/J/K/L/"

[olive sable]

but how do you even open discord?
you gotta navigate your folder till you find discord.exe?

[noble zodiac]

dmenu

[nocturne olive]

On my PC my focus is basically on just having as much compute usable as possible, not so much what it looks like
As long as I can use it effectively, I'm satisfied

[olive sable]

ye idk what that is

[olive sable]

absolutely not, i will not do that.
at least remap it to the delete key or whatever

[violet sand]

But what if I show you it in action combined with a tiling mode?
https://youtu.be/0HwZbM69xo4?t=4

[violet sand]

dele is too far to reach for me, so I just binded it to Win+C, for Super+Close

[olive sable]

no

i do not vibe with that

[noble zodiac]

I cant believe that unix ricer just forgot that the word is suppose to be an insult

[olive sable]

who gave the graphics programmer there acces to smoothstep????

[violet sand]

If u can't defeat "it", embrace "it"

[olive sable]

i aint waiting 2 seconds for the menu layout to setle in place

[violet sand]

O you can turn the animations off

The curves are custom

U can make windows fly from the top if u are a speciall type of weirdo

[olive sable]

eh

no thanks

[rough bloom]

you can disable all animations (and/or gaps)
it's very customizable

but having some animations is nice as long as they are quick enough

[violet sand]

I have them flying from the nearest edge of the screen, and from bottom if there is no screen edge near by

[olive sable]

what distro is that again?

[violet sand]

Its a window manager and not a distro, name is hyprland

[noble zodiac]

you can use whatever desktop environment you want independent of the distro

[rigid snow]

they do but json is as a string when streaming
https://openrouter.ai/docs/features/structured-outputs#streaming-with-structured-outputs see this because openai docs suck
also from openai docs py for event in stream: if event.type == "response.refusal.delta": print(event.delta, end="") elif event.type == "response.output_text.delta": print(event.delta, end="") elif event.type == "response.error": print(event.error, end="") would they do end="" if it wasn't partial?
so i am correct, what i want actually is partial json parsing
also, we're so back https://github.com/ItsJustMeChris/Partial-JSON-Swift

[rough bloom]

that's not parsing, that's output
the parsing isn't incremental

the end="" is so that there's no newline for every new token/chunk in the text

[olive sable]

hyperland is opensource
on a day i have a lot of time i will decend into linux madness

[violet sand]

More then that u can write plugins for hyprland

[rigid snow]

i know, what i'm saying is yes it indeed is partial, because having a demo output

{
"
text
":
"a
 big
...
``` is stupid

and i want to parse that as is comes in

[olive sable]

if its running on an os level id rather customize the code

[violet sand]

No its part of userland I belive

[rough bloom]

you will get a partial JSON string through that, yeah
but what you do with that is up to you, OpenAI doesn't handle parsing the output AFAIK

[rough bloom]

what does "OS level" mean

[rigid snow]

that is what i was talking about in the first place, not sse

[olive sable]

it does the tiling no?

[rough bloom]

this is SSE
you receive the events with the output deltas and reconstruct the JSON string from that

[noble zodiac]

the window manager does the tiling

[violet sand]

I assumed he thought it modifies Kernel or smt

[rigid snow]

i mean a level higher than that because streaming is already handled by a lib when i'm in a being pedantic competition and my opponent is #programming

[olive sable]

i thought hyperland did the window manager stuff?

[rigid snow]

at no point was i talking about sse because that is definitely a solved problem

[rough bloom]

I'm not trying to be pedantic, I just don't see how this helps solve any of your issues
you already have a partial JSON string as input, no? the docs you sent just explain how you would construct such a string from OpenAI API events

[noble zodiac]

yes, hyprland is a window manager, well compositor but same thing in green

[rigid snow]

this is the beginning of the convo btw @rough bloom

[gritty dust]

Lol

[olive sable]

its funny to me how all the people here that have tried to advertise linux to me have shown desktops that are completley unappealing to me, and the most convincing argument for linux has been the pewdiepie video

[violet sand]

Alrighty so from what I recall about this.

Linux allows your app to connect to individual monitors. So if u want to display something u connect to a display and then you can color in the individule pixels. Now notably that creates a problem because two different apps might want to write on the same part of the display. Linux solves this by only allows a single app to connect to a given display.

Now thats where hyprland and other window managers kick in.

On boot they connect themselves to all the displays, and if any app wants to render itself as a window, it calls the window manager app, which tells it to render an image of a given, size and then it displays it as a window.

[violet sand]

A bit over simplified

[noble zodiac]

It can look however you want is the point. Whether what other ppl did appeals to you is a different matter