programming

[opaque wharf]

JSON Newline Delimited with pretty print is a nightmare

[fading blaze]

Does anyone know how to find fine tuning data for an LLM?

Hang on the question needs to be clearer

[rigid snow]

it's a format for storing data not human reading

[opaque wharf]

I will pretty print every JSON from now on to spite those who use JSONL as DB

[nocturne olive]

It really depends what you want to finetune for, but HuggingFace datasets is probably a good place to start

[fading blaze]

Ok maybe I should start from the top

[sage crag]

need a language for hbvm

[fading blaze]

so remember when Evil said she wanted to draw and asked to be hooked up to an Axidraw

[opaque wharf]

Holy mother of backreading

[fading blaze]

well I wanna do something like that. But instead of Axidraw it's turtle graphics (yes, that's the official term)

[sage crag]

i just check my pings

[fading blaze]

So I need a bunch of turtle graphics example code

[rigid snow]

also on me switching to a ff based browser, i thought arc performance was bad, but zen somehow manages so much fucking worse. i'm like 90% to switching back to chrome after 2 years

everything else sucks massive ass in some way or another

arc was the closest i was to happiness until they killed it off

sucks that it's hard to meaningfully mod/fork chromium

[hoary lion]

classic dataset size

[opaque sigil]

well yeah, there are a lot of people working on making chromium as fast as possible so firefox will always be slower realistically
whether that difference matters is another thing, depends on what you do with the browser ig

[nocturne olive]

Firefox is great though, you're not gonna be getting adblockers on Chromium to work well

[rigid snow]

i don't care at this point

[nocturne olive]

Do you have a potato or something to worry about browser performance?

[rigid snow]

m1 mac which is, as far as i'm aware, not a potato

it's an apple...

but yeah i care about it because battery life

only tab that's opened is the stream

50% cpu usage

[opaque sigil]

unfortunate

[nocturne olive]

Oh, probably an Apple issue then

[opaque wharf]

I'm surprised vedal still get sponsor lmao

And immediately neuro ask for the money

[nocturne olive]

Probably being associated to the funny AI is sufficient to pull in sponsors

[rigid snow]

this is actually unbearable. i'm going back to arc for now

[opaque sigil]

wait is it actually just 50% from the browser alone?

[rigid snow]

YES

[opaque sigil]

i don't think that should happen on an m1

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but Ubisoft sure has learned something. Hopefully to polish their game tho

Reject MacOS

[opaque sigil]

does hardware acceleration just not work?

[opaque wharf]

Install Asahi

[rigid snow]

well you see, if what i did was only programming i would've done that a long long time ago

[opaque sigil]

wouldn't surprise me if apple silicon was even less of a priority than the other targets, it runs pretty well on my windows laptop with an 11th gen i7

hate to see it

[rigid snow]

but i need the adobe suite and ableton

to exist

[nocturne olive]

On my 12700K Firefox uses half of a core with a billion things open

[trim valve]

clearly the problem is the stream

[hard raptor]

Ableton does run decently in wine, but everything you do is gonna eat twice as much resources as it would when it runs natively

[rigid snow]

this wouldn't make any sense though given basically 100% of the valley using macbooks which is why some software nowadays is mac first

[nocturne olive]

You mean Adobe scam?

[rigid snow]

if ableton for windows arm is even a thing many vsts aren't

[opaque wharf]

You know, the developer of this game could learn a thing or two from vedal about AI latency

[rigid snow]

yes

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[opaque sigil]

this is mozilla we're talking about

[hard raptor]

Then just run windows in qemu instance that emulate x86_64 lol

[rigid snow]

i am absolutely not doing that

[hard raptor]

Sadge

[stark needle]

ye

[rigid snow]

mac os is not that bad

it's quirky but not horrible

[hard raptor]

What else did you expect from a person with the name of a react component library but without the "cn"?

[rigid snow]

smh shadcn slander, put some respect on my guy's name

he's a person

shadcn**-ui** is the library

[hard raptor]

Nahhh he should've stayed with shadow

(I'm just messing around dw, no actual hate here)

[rigid snow]

no i mean shadcn is a person, we know shadow is one

[hard raptor]

Wait what?

I didn't know there is a person who named themselves after the ui library, why would that person do that?!

Bro wanted to be ui library so bad

Smh my head

[whole lagoon]

thats funny lmfao

i thought shadcn was a bit of a weird name when I picked it up

[opaque wharf]

Any good FFMPEG UI for video conversion?

[trim valve]

handbrake is alright

[opaque wharf]

I honestly forgot handbrake can be used not just for compression lmao

Thanks

[trim valve]

also https://ffmpeg.lav.io/ if you get sick of building graphs by hand

[opaque wharf]

Sike

[stark needle]

@jax.jit

[hard raptor]

Hmmmm

[sage crag]

fork bomb in hblang is super efficient

[hard raptor]

Yeah, you would say that.

[sage crag]

indubitably

awa

[worldly plank]

On the topic of fork bombs, what happens if Neuro reads one from chat?

[rare bridge]

i'd be more impressed that someone put a fork bomb in chat to begin with

[opaque wharf]

Probably nothing

[hoary lion]

it aint gonna work cause the input data batch is dict

[hard raptor]

nothing cuz neuro is basically interpreting english.. not bash

There is probably still a way to get an LLM to interpet a fork bomb by using asterisk for defining context like
*[define a new function]: name=a, no parameters*

And you figure out the rest, cuz i am not providing you with the actual full implementation, and neuro probably ignores it anyways (unless vedal didn't think about this)

[opaque sigil]

Bold assumption to make that messages land as is in the context to begin with

[rare bridge]

you think neuro pays attention to chat half the time?

[hard raptor]

But this would definitely work on roleplaying chat bots

[desert plaza]

damn, we all missed it

[hard raptor]

Update: just tested it

No way it actually worked

Omg it actually remembered.. but also got sus.. so i ain't gonna post screenshots of that

I wonder if i could make a http framework with this

Just like

*[define new function]: name=http_header, parameters=status,headers[] {
return <the whole shebang>
}*

*[define new event]: when new request with method of get at path of / {
say "[http_header(200, [])] Hello, World!"
}*

That could probably work

But i think you would also need to explain to the thing how it needs to execute functions how lists and pairs work, etc.

This is all based on my discovery that defining things within [] works well for giving the underlying llm an instruction and bypassing the prompt it has been given to define its character, and in () works well for describing properties of things and the {} i just discovered works well for explaining what actions it should do... but i mean.. that's kinda obvious since that's how a lot of programming languages do the {} part too

[opaque wharf]

Python:

[stark needle]

Does it need to be dict?

[final tinsel]

So yesterday I was playing a steam game that was installed on my secondary drive, and it randomly crashed and a steam error sound played. I tried to reopen the game, but it didn’t work. I restarted my steam, and the game still wouldn’t reopen. I task manager killed and reopened steam, and the game showed as uninstalled. I tried to move some files off, but by the time my game crashed, the drive was too far gone to take anything off of it. I am keeping the drive in case in the future an opportunity comes up (friend gets an internship at a drive repair place and needs practice or something) but yeah the drive and the 1TB of data on it is dead. Ordered a new drive already, but yea. I do find it somewhat ironic that the game that notified me of the drive’s death is one of the few that I actually know all the save data is ok for. As for why the drive died, it turns out it physically could not be a 2TB m.2 drive due to the amount of chips on it or something according to the repair shop, and they couldn’t find anything online for the serial numbers and stuff on it. But to be fair, it performed for surprisingly long ( ~2.5 years) for being a no-brand sketchy drive that got blasted with hot air consistently due to bad motherboard design and placement of GPU relative to M.2 slots. Sadly, all my data for my local AI projects were in that drive, so I probably won’t be coming back here for help on that any time soon.

Anyway, sorry if that’s off topic but I just kinda wanted to say this somewhere I guess.

[sage crag]

[final tinsel]

Yea ik :essaying: I just felt like I needed to say it somewhere I guess

[sage crag]

awa

[faint sandal]

words

[whole lagoon]

sorry to hear that D:

[opaque wharf]

That took a whole 5 beconds to read

[hoary lion]

I prefer that but I decoupled all the arrays and trying my best to fix the training step function

[opaque wharf]

But also, those kinds of things are common in flash drive specifically

[final tinsel]

TL;DR my SSD for my computer that I had years of data on was actually an off brand one that died and I lost years of data

[whole lagoon]

what kind of projects did you have on there?

[opaque wharf]

They usually use reject NAND and just reprogram the controller to lie

Sad part is, there really isn't a good way to check

[hard raptor]

And that's why, <short loops back to the beginning>, i mainly only use samsung SSDs

[final tinsel]

A local LLM project I had on hold due to time constraints, so many random code projects, autodesk inventor projects, save data for some games, video Staz, and just pretty much anything that wasn’t in my download folder was in there cuz my C: drive is only like 500gb let alone recovery partitions and all

[final tinsel]

Yea that was the recommendation of the computer shop for the replacement

[hard raptor]

The one micron SSD that i have is also reliable tbh

[whole lagoon]

sorry to hear :( im sure you'll replace the code projects with even cooler ones

[hard raptor]

But even that one i am really careful with, but my samsung SSDs have been overwritten so many times and have under a lot of heavy load, and still not really degraded that much

[whole lagoon]

I want to make a homelab so I can have a place to back up my stuff

also to run stuff off of there, so i can keep using my little baby thinkpad for llm stuff

[final tinsel]

Tbf I prob wasn’t going to go back to them and finish them LOL

[whole lagoon]

real

[final tinsel]

I’m just scared stuff is going to break because of files not found and stuff, and that the like 30gb of space left on my c drive is gonna fill super fast

[hard raptor]

The one SSD that i have the longest, also happens to be a samsung.. and it is currently running my minecraft servers and holding multiple copies of my important files safe, but tbf, thw most important files are copied over to all my SSDs

[final tinsel]

I’m also terrible at determining what files I find most important

[hard raptor]

Those mainly include big projects that i haven't put on gitlab or github yet

[whole lagoon]

what kind of projects have you guys done?

[hard raptor]

If i rarely use them they not important, if they are good ideas but i currently don't know how to move on, i label them as such, if they get a lot of use they also important

[final tinsel]

moves neuro screenshot folder to important

Luckily neuro screenshots are under pictures which is on my c drive

And I mean if that drive dies I am thouroughly cooked no ifs ands or buts about it

[hard raptor]

I am not at liberty to say

At least the actually cool ones

[whole lagoon]

well, what kind of project is it?

like

ballpark

[hard raptor]

Ehhh

Still can't think of a way to say anything about it without breaking contract

[whole lagoon]

im sure its cool stuff!

[hard raptor]

The only thing i am able to disclose are my feelings about it, which is nothing but positive

[whole lagoon]

c: thats good

[stark needle]

Who dared pinging me

Grrr

[sage crag]

@stark needle it was me

[nocturne olive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49CrynNZAR0
Latest NeuroSynth showcase just appeared

[scarlet arch]

Okay apparently I got petabyte speed internet now

[desert plaza]

3k petabytes a second is crazy

[opaque wharf]

If only we have a word for kilo-peta

[nocturne olive]

I'm trying to get my FTP stuff back online, anyone wanna help me validate that I did it right?

And help debug whatever might still be broken

[scarlet arch]

I just used whatever it said on the screenshot..

[tender river]

wrote a dynamic linker for hblang

[sage crag]

[pastel patio]

Hi

[tender river]

next i will write a tcp server

then i'll have to work on integrating the GC

and THEN i'll get to actual lsp logic... i think

[sick owl]

Google just spat out a real time capsule

Kinda puts into perspective how fast this stuff has moved

[sage crag]

but also how much stays the same

allows it to be expert level if not higher at chemistry

could make anyone roll their eyes considering the same is said about contemporary models

[sick owl]

One could argue Alphafold is in its specific domain of chemistry

[olive sable]

Windows

This tv is 2160x3840, but windows doesnt fill it completely unless i do 2160x4096

[rigid snow]

are you sure it's windows and not the tv

i think some tvs do have a scaling setting that just doesn't scale like this

[midnight sigil]

there is if else statements in css

[amber fractal]

smol windows

we love overscan

[sage crag]

awa

[slim oracle]

hallo

[amber fractal]

[slim oracle]

whats your guys main coding language?

[desert plaza]

machine code

[slim oracle]

nice

[amber fractal]

I mostly do my coding in python

[slim oracle]

same

[midnight sigil]

I x86asm

[slim oracle]

nice

what projects you guys working on?

[midnight sigil]

none

[tight tinsel]

I don’t open vsc for a month and all my extensions got nuked

can’t even run Python code no more

[slim oracle]

bruh

I code on my phone, the only reason im not good with libraries.

I use an interpreter that doesnt allow external modules, so I dont know that much.

[sage crag]

its time for hblang

[hoary lion]

after all these months

finally inabakumori posted

back to programming stuff, why did I not set up ruff at the first place

linter is goated

[sage crag]

@desert plaza something you may be vaguely interested in

its easy enough to make this on hbvm but x86_64 was beyond my level of interest

[desert plaza]

[sage crag]

$cp := fn(r0: u8, r1: u8): struct align(1){.op: u8 = 0x46; .r0: u8; .r1: u8} return .{r0, r1}

defining instructions is fairly trivial

you could also modify it at runtime if you wanted

[maiden geyser]

fantasizing about coding in c

[opaque wharf]

Which is why HTML+CSS3 is turing complete

[midnight sigil]

doom in pure css coming

[olive sable]

How do you get windows to do dolby digital?

Cuz PCM is not supported by my receiver for 5.1

Either dolby digital or dts 5.1

[opaque wharf]

Via HDMI probably

Since the spec has lots of DRM stuff

[olive sable]

Well yes i was already using hdmi

But like, the hdmi goes to the tv, which then does spdif to the reveiver

The receiver itself doesnt have hdmi nor 5.1 PCM support

So basicly the pc needs to compress the audio to dts or dolby digital before sending it through hdmi

[rigid snow]

no they mean the new feature

[midnight sigil]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/if

what I meant

[mighty thorn]

just gave chatgpt agent mode access to my server computer via rustdesk (out of boredom)

this can literally only end well

(im monitoring it via parsec and will remote shutdown if things get crazy)

[opaque sigil]

Idk if you knew this but virtual machines exist for a reason

[mighty thorn]

hyper v wont connect to internet for some reason and plus this is funnier

[amber fractal]

I was going to say it was probably a bare metal vm but

[mighty thorn]

lemme try something'

[hoary lion]

i mean

how bad can it go

[mighty thorn]

it's looking through my external drive rn

[hoary lion]

fair

[jagged turtle]

...🤦

[mighty thorn]

im doing it for the vine

[jagged turtle]

for thw what

[chrome peak]

hello im new what do you do in the programing channel?

[jagged turtle]

const printVar: string = "Hello world!";

console.log(printVar)

[amber fractal]

Talk about some tech, maybe some stuff besides tech

[worldly plank]

What language is that? JavaScript?

[chrome peak]

good XD

[chrome peak]

waos

[mighty thorn]

kids these days dont even know what vine was smh

[mighty thorn]

i thought windows 11 dev iso pre baked into hyper v might be the issue, it is not. an archive org windows 10 iso also dont work with internet

[amber fractal]

Is there even a network device in the VM?

[jagged turtle]

probably not

[amber fractal]

I also think not, as I doubt even a bridge exists

[opaque sigil]

there should be a bridge by default that you can use

[amber fractal]

Surely it wasn't removed during the vm's creation

One round of strangling gimp3 to function and now is time to see how well this works.

It was a pain to get this working while keeping gimp2.10 just in case.

After the left and right panels being entangled and the zoom indicator nowhere to be seen. We are off to a good start.

[jagged turtle]

can someone help me set up eslint pls

[opaque wharf]

"Maybe", like 50-50 here

[opaque wharf]

Evil vine

[opaque wharf]

Use Biome

But if you are not doing JSX (like vue) then maybe not

[jagged turtle]

I have preact tsx

but mainly in astro because I couldn't be bothered figuring out ssr on preact

import { defineConfig } from "eslint/config";
import js from "@eslint/js";
import globals from "globals";
import tsParser from "@typescript-eslint/parser";
import tsPlugin from "@typescript-eslint/eslint-plugin";
import markdownPlugin from "@eslint/markdown";
import cssPlugin from "@eslint/css";
import astroPlugin from "eslint-plugin-astro";

export default defineConfig([
  // :one: Ignore folders and generated files
  {
    ignores: [
      "node_modules/**",
      "dist/**",
      ".astro/**",
      "**/*.d.ts"
    ],
  },

  // :two: JavaScript & TypeScript files
  {
    files: ["**/*.{js,mjs,cjs,ts,cts,mts}"],
    languageOptions: {
      parser: tsParser,
      parserOptions: {
        ecmaVersion: "latest",
        sourceType: "module",
      },
      globals: { ...globals.browser, ...globals.node },
    },
    plugins: {
      js,
      "@typescript-eslint": tsPlugin,
    },
    extends: [
      "eslint:recommended",
      "plugin:js/recommended",
      "plugin:@typescript-eslint/recommended",
    ],
    rules: {
      // custom rules go here
    },
  },

  // :three: Astro files override
  {
    files: ["**/*.astro"],
    languageOptions: {
      parser: "astro-eslint-parser",
      parserOptions: {
        parser: tsParser,
        extraFileExtensions: [".astro"],
        ecmaVersion: "latest",
        sourceType: "module",
      },
      globals: { ...globals.browser, ...globals.node },
    },
    plugins: {
      astro: astroPlugin,
    },
    extends: [
      "plugin:astro/recommended",
    ],
    rules: {
      // Astro-specific rule tweaks
    },
  },

  // :four: Markdown files
  {
    files: ["**/*.md"],
    language: "markdown/commonmark",
    plugins: { markdown: markdownPlugin },
    extends: ["plugin:markdown/recommended"],
  },

  // :five: CSS files
  {
    files: ["**/*.css"],
    language: "css/css",
    plugins: { css: cssPlugin },
    extends: ["plugin:css/recommended"],
  },
]);

its that

yes the final product was chatgpt but that was after trying to manually edit it and give up

[noble zodiac]

when you just want to read a blog and see "(Disclaimer: This blog post was drafted with the help of a language model, but all opinions expressed are my own.)"

[amber fractal]

[trim valve]

I had that on a paper I was reading once

[noble zodiac]

how to invalidate your own opinion 101

[hard raptor]

I am looking at this one for the sound card

It says it supports ASIO 2.0

Or is it better to go for an actual audio interface device?

Reddit says i am better off with just buying this thing

[amber fractal]

USB is a lot more flexable, last thing you need is to be out of lanes and halve the amount going to the GPU

[stark needle]

if u can buy a motu m2

@safe path

scam

[midnight sigil]

omg I just received the $3000!!!!

chat it's free

[stark needle]

WHAT

NO WAY

is this the key to financial freedom

[midnight sigil]

yea I couldn't believe it as well

multi account is possible as well

[tender river]

@rare bridge

[safe path]

auuugh

[tender river]

oops, thanks for the response

[stark needle]

so sad

this was truly a unique offering

[tender river]

mods dont want us to get the $3000

[stark needle]

to become a trillionaire like mrbeast

they will forward the message to vedal to make even more bank

:///

[midnight sigil]

mods are now secretly redeeming the code

that's why they're silenced

[amber fractal]

I imagine the day it is just a ping with scam

[opaque wharf]

Make Neuro the scammer instead

[midnight sigil]

oh we'll definitely get scammed

[hard raptor]

That one also seems solid, i do have past experience with the scarlet one however, so i will think about it... i was also looking at an arturia interface, cuz i already have other arturia gear, so i know they deliver on quality

[stark needle]

WHAT

[opaque wharf]

Lmao

[hard raptor]

Specifically this one is what i am also looking at

[stark needle]

check this out chat !!1!! I got my harpoon!!!

[midnight sigil]

[gritty dust]

smh can't believe them

[olive sable]

i am back from the alnd of the social people

i have come back to spread my wisdom

the wisdom off the day: guitar hero is actually quite fun, but way too hard

the sleepover concluded without much sleeping lmao

[faint sandal]

yes you'd want an interface not a literal sound card

i daily an audient id4

but i also have an extra scarlet

[tender river]

it is indeed fun

[olive sable]

i was drums

i have discovered my rythm sense is subpar

[tender river]

i forgot there are multiple instruments in some gh games

well i only played it once anyway

[olive sable]

had to do a cable transplant on the kick pedal with a 3.5mm jack connector

and even still it only works if put tension on the cable cuz the port insie the drumset is broken

2/3 guitars have broken battery comaprtments too so i had to use aluminium foil to create a circuit

basicly had to do some electrical engineering before i could play

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[noble zodiac]

what is the most difficult song on guitar hero. Give me some crazy polyrythms

[rigid snow]

i have a minifuse 1, can vouch. super stable and 0 complaints meanwhile my peers with focusrite interfaces whine about literally everything, from mains ac leaking into the input/output (poor emi shielding?) to CONSTANT driver issues

on windows specifically

[tender river]

does gh do polyrhythms

[noble zodiac]

I have no idea

highly doubt it

[olive sable]

@rare bridge

[safe path]

got it

[olive sable]

Oh my god all these bots

Even yt shorts every 4th short is an asmongold or mrbeast crypto scam.

I cant anymore

[gritty dust]

[hard raptor]

I may consult my dad about what he thinks is a good audio interface too, because he has almost more than 30 years of experience and is also working on founding a recording studio

[trim valve]

sam you should learn to solder

[olive sable]

I should probably ye

Rn i just twist the wire toghether

[trim valve]

[rigid snow]

you’re already halfway there, the next step is to apply solder

my brain is so fried, every time it sees “rn” it goes

[opaque wharf]

But also, not everything is safe to solder

[rigid snow]

react-native mentioned!??

[rigid snow]

yeah like thermite

[opaque wharf]

Actually thermite it is one of the easier things to handle

[rigid snow]

are you telling me it's safe to poke thermite with a soldering iron

[trim valve]

how hot is your iron

[opaque wharf]

Well, the quality of the thermite matters. But also, thermite has like 1000+ C ignition point

I doubt any soldering iron go past 500 C

[rigid snow]

oh yeah true it's literal iron...

wait am i stupid, can you even do iron in thermite

[trim valve]

what

[rigid snow]

as the metal

[opaque wharf]

It is in fact, Fe

The most common one at least

[opaque wharf]

Since thermite is just metal and oxidizer

[rigid snow]

i thought everyone used aluminium

not iron

and iron ≠ iron oxide

[opaque wharf]

Al is used, but I don't know the specific chemical reason

[rigid snow]

In the following example, elemental aluminum reduces the oxide of another metal, in this common example iron oxide, because aluminum forms stronger and more stable bonds with oxygen than iron

here you go

[rigid snow]

and i don't think a rusty piece of iron is classified as thermite

since it the bond with oxygen will be the same because it's the same metal

unless you use a different oxide

which i don't think is common

[rigid snow]

which is why i asked this

[opaque wharf]

But I did say Fe

Oxidizer does not mean oxide

[rigid snow]

thermite is a mixture of an elemental metal and a metal oxide by definition..

[opaque wharf]

Oh, so it is the oxide

Mhmm, that's fair. I just use it for welding and in fact the problem is igniting it reliably

[rigid snow]

i see people use sparklers since they have magnesium

which burns at like some insane temp

[midnight sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLhQQSKhTok

https://tenor.com/view/1-gif-12038411282933893239

[uneven pulsar]

uh...when is finetuning done......

[opaque wharf]

When you are satisfied with the result

[nocturne olive]

It depends what you're going for
It may not even be done after the first training run if it doesn't do what you want it to
Just run a single epoch and check on it after

[uneven pulsar]

okay

[rigid snow]

i'm looking into mesh routers, why the fuck are they all trashcan shaped, can someone explain

[opaque wharf]

Because they are trash lmao

[rigid snow]

elaborate? i don't know much about them, there's just a need for them that's why

i need to cover a large property with one network

wifi network in particular, if i need to plug them all into cat6 i don't mind

[uneven pulsar]

It's done

[rough bloom]

if you have CAT6 everywhere then you don't need mesh routers, you can just use one router and several access points

[hard raptor]

Since /dev/random is supposed to base it's "randomness" on the computers sensors... would it be possible to trick the computer into playing satisfaction by benny benasi?

[opaque sigil]

that'd depend on the prng it uses

if it was truly random then it would eventually though

[rough bloom]

https://eu.store.ui.com/eu/en/category/all-cloud-gateways/products/ux7
this seems like it would work for your use-case, it supports both a deployment with APs as described on the page or a wireless mesh setup (which, as uncomputable_fn said, would have much worse performance)
Ubiquiti is kinda expensive but they do have a nicer UI than something like a MikroTik setup would

[opaque sigil]

i wonder how much ui.com costs them

[rigid snow]

ubiqiti we’re going broke with this one

🔥

[rough bloom]

there's definitely other options like MikroTik but this one seems the nicest
they have a shittier, cheaper version of the same device too

[trim valve]

good god I clearly have not been programming enough

[opaque wharf]

Mesh router are communicating with one another themselves which will take up bandwidth and add latency. The more you add, the busier the chatter will be

[trim valve]

they're not awful these days from what I've seen

[opaque wharf]

And as toast said, just use multiple AP

[rigid snow]

i know but like i’m super clueless on wireless solutions

[rigid snow]

5 aps

[opaque wharf]

Oh, I don't know if there is a cheap and good solution

Expensive one, sure it will be decent like ubiquity

[trim valve]

what are you making a wireless network for?

[rough bloom]

especially if you have many APs a mesh setup will be much more expensive

[rigid snow]

ok maybe more like 3-4 but

still

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, if wifi is needed due to bandwidth then there is no easy way out. But if you want sensor network, then you can always opt for other wireless band

[rigid snow]

how bad does the bandwidth on mesh routers get though

[rough bloom]

not really
AFAIK the reason good mesh setups are good is because they use 6 GHz WiFi as the backhaul in order to not steal bandwidth from the devices
but that adds cost so cheap devices skip it

[rigid snow]

it might be fine

[rough bloom]

every hop halves it

it's bad

[rigid snow]

damn

[opaque wharf]

Worst case, yeah, every hop halves it

There is also a P2P solution

[hard raptor]

I think i at least did a somewhat good representation of what that would sound like

[opaque wharf]

If you don't want to invest in cable run that is

But you'll need 4-5 P2P

[trim valve]

today on "what have I fucked up with twitch this time"

[rigid snow]

cable is already mostly run and we have more to extend to a more convenient place if needed, not a concern

[trim valve]

I cannot sign into my twitch account

and it is not accepting my totp codes :3

and also won't send me an sms code :3

[opaque wharf]

Twitch hate you

Specifically

[rough bloom]

it's not a problem with the integrity check?

[rigid snow]

pound sign british

[opaque wharf]

Bro, what
https://mangadex.org/title/cbb7e271-dd90-4b68-9df8-0acd008412d8/welcome-to-the-internet-neuro-sama

[trim valve]

I am still signed in on my desktop so surely this is a problem I can ignore

I sure hope this isn't related to me deleting my authy account

[opaque sigil]

just copy the cookies easy

[trim valve]

I will be thoroughly displeased if so

[rough bloom]

https://mikrotik.com/product/rb5009upr_s_in
https://mikrotik.com/product/cap_ax
probably cheaper option but with more painful setup
alternatively use random OpenWRT-compatible devices for maximum pain

-# the router is way overkill but the other ones don't seem to have enough PoE juice for 4 APs so you'd need a switch

[hard raptor]

Curious if anyone can hear it in this version

[rigid snow]

i said that we have a lot of cable run already, mostly for ip cctv cameras (and there’s a lot, like 20?), so PoE i don’t think is a concern and obviously we have switches. but even so, what stops me from using PoE injectors that do have enough power output

[rough bloom]

oh, you already have switches
then yeah you can just do whatever

[maiden geyser]

is it peak

[sage crag]

nearly day 3 of bime

[opaque wharf]

I have not give it a read actually

But from the first chapter, most likely not THAT peak

[opaque wharf]

Wake me up when it is the F day

[sage crag]

you will be asleep for B days

[opaque wharf]

I could use those sleep

[sage crag]

too much sleep

coma

[opaque wharf]

By the way, when is the bime day change in time?

[tender river]

depends on your timezone

[opaque wharf]

In UTC-0

[opaque wharf]

Was about to add that

[tender river]

15:41:21.447

[opaque wharf]

Aww, it's not 00.00

[tender river]

apparently the fstat syscall has been designed by absolute psychos

[opaque wharf]

Or you are trying to do something cursed again

[rough bloom]

<t:1753371681:T>

[tender river]

WHAT IS THIS

WHY IS IT DIFFERENT ON EVERY ARCH

[opaque wharf]

Man, I miss it again by a few beconds at that

[opaque wharf]

Alright, I admit this time you didn't do anything

[sage crag]

this is part of why i redesigned the os specific stuff

lol

[opaque sigil]

i love how two of them have 2 explicit unused ones and then the other one just has an array of 2

[sage crag]

look at the last one

[opaque sigil]

[brisk laurel]

chat
https://youtu.be/15_-hgsX2V0?si=ksQZIk3GxbVOUgbz

[opaque wharf]

Can you link the project site instead?

[sage crag]

https://github.com/9001/copyparty/
goes here

its written in

one

python file

python 2.7 and 3.x

why does it exist

🤔

[nocturne olive]

I wonder, what's the difference from Python 1.x to 2.x to 3.x like?

[opaque sigil]

look at the migration guide and you'll find out

[tender river]

testimonials:
"absolutely terrible UI, i won't be able to elaborate without swearing"

[opaque sigil]

note to self: do not cat binary files

[tender river]

ansi escape

[opaque wharf]

Since Python 3.11 the original porting guide was discontinued.

[rigid snow]

looking at the video, the web portal is absolutely a very severe case of programmer ui

[sage crag]

cat /dev/urandom

[opaque wharf]

Poor cat. Give it some pat

[tender river]

theres a history of certain terminals having vulnerable implementations of certain escape codes

so in theory cat can do rce

[opaque sigil]

hmm

[opaque sigil]

the amount of special sequences involved in terminals terrifies me

[tender river]

in unix, everything is a string

[opaque sigil]

what was the OS one again, OSI?

[tender river]

except when we realize that strings are a bit limiting

then you can use fcntl or whatever

[opaque sigil]

ah nvm i was thinking of CSI that was the one

[rigid snow]

someone really went "lgtm, definitely not incomprehensible ugly nonsense"

[tender river]

🚀 🔥

[rigid snow]

what the fuck is the fire extinguisher supposed to convey

the balloon

[sage crag]

🚀 🎈

[opaque wharf]

Taste are subjective. But that sure is something alright

[rigid snow]

i guess it kind of makes sense, but, like, why those particular emojis??

[rough bloom]

I'd be fine with this as long as it shows the name/function on hover
this seems like something you'd use regularly so it doesn't have to be immediately intuitive, some familiarity with the interface can be expected

[rigid snow]

i'm not going to argue on ux/ui with y'all for obvious reasons, the same reasons that led to the "programmer ui" term's existence
all i'm going to say is it's unjustifiable, being unintuitive at first glance is a fail

literally every single keyboard shortcut, except for well-known ones like ctrl-c, being a single key is a big tell little thought went into ux

ok the ui is actually worse than i thought, i haven't watched the vid long enough

actual dogshit

[rigid snow]

i'm with this guy and i haven't even used the thing

the project seems really cool though

[rigid snow]

but i strongly believe the barrier of entry should be lower for a thing you may end up using because someone shared a link

[opaque wharf]

Honestly, nowadays I just use Material Design 3 and be done with UI design

[rigid snow]

i'm not talking about the skin or even ui primitives

[opaque wharf]

Yè, but MD3 is not just a skin or UI primitive like button should be styled like this. It is a whole design system that has spec on how colors are named, how components are placed, and many more guides.

[rigid snow]

can you perfectly recite the spec or what? "just use X and be done" isn't about following the spec, you have to actually keep reading and applying what you read where appropriate

ux design is pure theory imo, that is if you don't have the means to study human behavior which most don't

[opaque wharf]

I cannot recite it perfectly but I do have it on my second monitor

[final tinsel]

o7 RIP WATNEY
gone too soon
(secondary m.2 died, working on redownloading what i can on new one)

[rigid snow]

also, no serving through s3 protocol, literally unusable

[small anvil]

rip 🫡

[open dawn]

i swear this keyboard is freaking conscious
it disconnected
reconnected
deleted 2 lines of code
and disconnected again
what the heck

[warped narwhal]

[open dawn]

for context, my keyboard disconnects often

[hard raptor]

Mine was trippin while trying to run a discord.js bot on spacebar-server

Only stopped trippin when spacebar-server was shut down

[open dawn]

these freaking keyboards man

[hard raptor]

I am currently watching the video, seems interesting

[opaque wharf]

We need a keyboard of this type that will refuse to work when you're vibe coding

Or the other way around. A keyboard that you prompt only for it to type the prompt output

[hard raptor]

How would i see what prompt i am typing, you know.. cuz typos

[opaque wharf]

That's where apple innovation on their mac comes into play

Introducing, the touchbar

[rigid snow]

i have a touchbar macbook, should i try making that

wait, working with apple apis

surely someone has done bindings to a sane ecosystem already

i see some rust bindings i might actually do it

[opaque sigil]

write your own bindings with bun

[opaque wharf]

But how would you return to normal mode

[rigid snow]

what do you mean

i'll just make keybinds pass through and ctrl-c it

[opaque wharf]

The idea is to type on the keyboard. But instead of passing what you type directly to the system, you are instead typing it to "prompt" your keyboard to type something

[opaque wharf]

Mhm, that may work. Emphasis on may because from what I've seen by CodeBullet, things can get funny lmao

[rigid snow]

i would've said what i would prompt it but i'm not sure that's not breaking any rules here

[opaque wharf]

[rigid snow]

"you should... NOW"

i'm researching and the hardest part is intercepting keyboard presses probably

unsurprisingly

[opaque wharf]

Indeed it is. If you're on linux then there is uevent

Oh, evdev not uevent

[rigid snow]

i did it, shoutout this guy who made the repo in may https://github.com/misha-antonenko/macos_keyboard_remapper/

[opaque wharf]

[rigid snow]

i just realized i'm making a text editor basically

damn

why are keycodes signed ints oh apple apple

[tender river]

char being signed or unsigned is pretty arbitrary and depends on the platform

[rigid snow]

they're i64.

[tender river]

lol

@cobalt vessel here too

and in #artist-alley

[sage crag]

kill

destroy

[rigid snow]

again??

[tender river]

@cobalt vessel

[sage crag]

why arent we autobanning these clowns

[twilit finch]

my code is so peak
(.venv) C:\AI\neuro-sama-app>python src/main.py ✅ ffmpeg is installed and accessible. [Neuro-sama] loading neuro c:\AI\neuro-sama-app\.venv\lib\site-packages\torch\_utils.py:776: UserWarning: TypedStorage is deprecated. It will be removed in the future and UntypedStorage will be the only storage class. This should only matter to you if you are using storages directly. To access UntypedStorage directly, use tensor.untyped_storage() instead of tensor.storage() return self.fget.__get__(instance, owner)() c:\AI\neuro-sama-app\.venv\lib\site-packages\huggingface_hub\file_download.py:943: FutureWarning: resume_downloadis deprecated and will be removed in version 1.0.0. Downloads always resume when possible. If you want to force a new download, useforce_download=True. warnings.warn( Start speaking (silence detection enabled)... Max recording time 30s reached, stopping... [Neuro-sama] You: Nero, can you hear me? Hello? Nero? Nero, if you can hear me say hi. Please. Hello? What's going on? Setting pad_token_idtoeos_token_id`:50256 for open-end generation.
[Neuro-sama] Neuro-sama: I... I was here for a week. I... I just heard that some of the new guys are here.
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\AI\neuro-sama-app\src\main.py", line 39, in <module>
asyncio.run(main())
File "C:\Users\nicky\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python310\lib\asyncio\runners.py", line 44, in run
return loop.run_until_complete(main)
File "C:\Users\nicky\AppData\Local\Programs\Python\Python310\lib\asyncio\base_events.py", line 649, in run_until_complete
return future.result()
File "C:\AI\neuro-sama-app\src\main.py", line 29, in main
await tts.speak(ai_reply) # await speak to finish before continuing
TypeError: TtsEngine.speak() missing 1 required positional argument: 'text'

(.venv) C:\AI\neuro-sama-app>`

[cobalt vessel]

YEAH i mgfetg eitng it

[tender river]

[glass flower]

[sage crag]

i also mgfetg eitng it

thamks mto

[cobalt vessel]

they use different image links

[tender river]

just ban posting 4 images at this point

[sage crag]

just ban anyone who sends 4 images named 1, 2, 3, 4

[cobalt vessel]

[sage crag]

who needs to send 4 images anyway

[tender river]

send 3 or 5

send 4 you're banned

[glass flower]

just ban all images

who needs visuals anyway

just convert your image into ascii art

[tender river]

irc

[sage crag]

waiting for the bots to start converting their spam to ascii

[desert plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-ascii-computer-gif-15898882

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

This is such a specific amount lol

[opaque wharf]

No, it's worse. You're writing a driver

[opaque wharf]

Chay, you're banned btw

[opaque wharf]

Caught in 4K 4 images

[tender river]

[rigid snow]

i'm sure invoking obscure mac os apis (high-ish level) from userspace counts as driver development, yup, adding that onto my cv

you do not have any idea how much of those this os has

ios too but not to this extent

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, userspace driver. But still a driver

[warped narwhal]

I had a stroke trying to read this formatting

[opaque wharf]

I did not, because I didn't read it

[rigid snow]

making requests to an llm in a driver

[warped narwhal]

llm just deleted my c drive by hallucinating a command

[twilit finch]

ok what is wrong now
Start speaking... Detected 2.0 seconds of silence, stopping... [Neuro-sama] You: Hey NeuroSama, what's up? [Neuro-sama] Neuro-sama: You know, you can't just use a bot for a chat session with me. I'm an AI, I'm like a robot. Start speaking... Detected 2.0 seconds of silence, stopping... [Neuro-sama] You: Thanks for watching!

[rigid snow]

look, they're trying to be sane

but then this is the only way to get a keycode out of an event

ok?

maybe i'm clueless and there's a good reason for this

for all fucking keyboard events to be a generic event shim

that's in the "core graphics" package for some reason??

[opaque wharf]

They're just anticipating more types of exotic HID

[rigid snow]

and the thing is, devs who write software for apple don't know better

be it elitism or just the lack of enthusiasm to know how other things work

and i mean both the app devs and the apple engineers

i heard the echo chamber there in their world is craazy

[opaque wharf]

That tends to happen when you have closed ecosystem yea

[amber fractal]

bwaa

[sage crag]

same

[tender river]

unbwaa

[minor crag]

I just converted an OSU file to json and it went from 21kb to 67mb

I don't understand this witchcraft

[tender river]

thats a weird json format

anyway sounds like a perfect time to plug osu-rs https://docs.rs/osu-rs

[minor crag]

That just exists???????

[sage crag]

indubitably

[minor crag]

Someone could have told me this 3 hours ago

[tender river]

theres an active osu community in #gaming (and secretly in here too)

[sage crag]

@opaque sigil after i redid my blocklists i am using these. 29% of dns requests are being blocked, no false positived yet though.

also i slept from 8:45 to 13:45 yesterday

[tender river]

my grafana logs work the same way

[sage crag]

i dislike the ambient dns requests from my phone on standby

doing more talking than it needs to

i should get a less spyware oriented phone

[tender river]

or just flash your current one

[minor crag]

Coding

[sage crag]

its not worth it to flash this phone

piece of garbage samsung knox

[tender river]

everyone fears bricks but i never bricked a phone in my life so clearly it never happens

oh knox

bwa

[sage crag]

its flashable but no one makes roms for new samsung devices because of knox

mm

[rigid snow]

i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate it i hate stupid apple apis

sees english layout set once during execution? english forever and ever

[tender river]

that reminds me that windows forces you to have an english layout if you use english as the system language

[rigid snow]

that's weird but not like unreasonable

[tender river]

its so annoying when you use 2 layouts one of which supersedes english

[rigid snow]

well then you should set windows to the language you clearly use more often

[amber fractal]

Then windows learns your tongue and your browser will try to auto translate

[rigid snow]

apparently there are two functions, TISCopyCurrentKeyboardLayoutInputSource and TISCopyCurrentKeyboardInputSource?? both seem to be used for this? wtf is the difference? none of this is documented btw, all done through osmosis of 15 year old stackoverflow threads

i mean at least it works great with english

[rigid snow]

there seems to not be a difference, literally interchangeable. why two different names

i've long left the point of existing bindings, and now even existing docs... why am i even doing this shit

[sage crag]

awa

[split osprey]

the new qwen model seems a little toxic..

[olive sable]

guys im back!

ive been trying to log into disocrd for like 2 hours now

the solution was a vpn since belgium is doing some weird shit withe certain websites

i can watch youtube and everytihng, but discord, twitter, FF14, epic games store all wont connect

[mystic wind]

hi guys , im new to programming, i saw a video explaining everything about neuro sama and i could understand what vedal did, and it impressed me, i ve been really appassionate about informatic generally but now i do wanna start, what do u guys recommend me to do, as a beginner

[olive sable]

first step is to find somethign you want to do, then choose a language based on that

[wide flicker]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071784467036913664/1383821113166925954/flowchart.png?ex=68878e57&is=68863cd7&hm=3c35cdb5fb5fe6efe95c2a18752463fce13b37cbfccda972236da888dd3e976f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1383821099653005433/image-21.png?ex=68878e54&is=68863cd4&hm=fe1644977483c74f5c6423d48d2944c3626e90b9d7f5ec3ece7db6ca6321612a

Noooooooo i dont have embed perms

[olive sable]

[wide flicker]

I am a fool

[olive sable]

i do

[south needle]

aware

[olive sable]

am i just the embed translator now?

[hoary lion]

wh

what happened to sam

[south needle]

but why u made this?

[olive sable]

i didnt

[south needle]

i mean

[olive sable]

you mean my internet issues or my vulkanization?

the internet issues are most likely that stupid law to "protect kids online"

the vulkanization is just me learning vulkan

[mystic wind]

i suck at algebra because i stopped studying it long time ago and idn if i have a fuckload of data to train, maybe yes i do wanna create something revolutionary with ai but not a vtuber, i was impressed how he could talk to neuro sama and she where replying differently like chatgpt does, like a real random conversation, and i was impressed by it because i started thinking abt something like that some time ago before knowing vedal, and i was impressed by the fact that she can also play videogames, i wanna learn this, i wanna make my own pg to talk to, and make it learn

[hoary lion]

sam i dont like you having that extension

[hoary lion]

we all hate .dll files that doesn't get deleted normally without any issues in windows

just make me remove the %temp%

😭

[mystic wind]

why do i need algebra for programming like an ai

[olive sable]

im not an expert on ai here, but you would need to use a pretrained model from somewhere and then finetune it with your own data to shape its "personality"

[olive sable]

programming = algebra

a variable

[hoary lion]

true

[mystic wind]

that seems a beutiful idea for me to start, thank you

[hoary lion]

time to advertise unsloth for the few hundredth of times in #programming

[south needle]

there is no way there are llms with audio inputs, the most advanced i saw was sesame.com

[hoary lion]

audio input isn't that problematic

the problem is audio output

[olive sable]

there are, you just need to program it

but like dont ping me about it, im the local game-dev guy

at the end of the day audio is just data too, so an llm could be fed audio as input, the problem is getting the output to be non-garbage

[hoary lion]

at the end of the day it is all about tokenization if you are working with transformers

[south needle]

yeah but it would be nonsense to train it directly with audio, you need at least some kind of embedding and then you probably want to put som rvq on it

[hoary lion]

there are methods for byte-wise processing of the data

i am not going to mention the paper name

due to some hungry individuals who always arise when I say its name

[olive sable]

im pretty clueless about this, but wouldnt you just need to feed it data about the meaning of the input audio for training?

[hoary lion]

erm

wdym

like feature extraction

[south needle]

e.g. embedding

[hoary lion]

well technically just for processing inputs

you totally can

but better shrink down the size yk

so that's why tokenizer comes in

reference

[split osprey]

cant u combine any modality with transformers if you have enough compute, data, and robust loss functions

[south needle]

probably but in which environment are your resources unlimited

[split osprey]

my Fantasy Land

[hoary lion]

raw transformers cant go that far realistically

[south needle]

if you scale them big enough and have perfect training data on unlimited computed

[split osprey]

i really want a combined state action vision model with an LLM where they both learn to output actions/tokens at 20 frames per second

[faint sandal]

https://fxtwitter.com/__femb0t/status/1949584157182681387

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[olive sable]

they do be naming a lot of things after food

im noticing in c++ that a lot of tutorials put the functions they're calling inside a class above the function they're calling it from, while i prefer putting it underneath.
in global you of course have to put it above but i dont see why you would do so for functions in classes too

anyways i got the messenger util to work for instance creation too, im just wondering where all these layers are coming from since i only asked for 1

GalaxyOverlayVkLayer seems to be from GOG game client, rivatuner stats are from msi afterburner, and overwolf is the minecraft mod client

why is it loading these

[amber fractal]

Seems about right considering steam also has overlays for it's games

They just attach at runtime to any process it deems valid

[glass flower]

overwolf isn't just a minecraft mod client. its a overlay system that allows you to add overlays to a lot of games generally. imagine something like a TFT best build overlay etc.

[olive sable]

nah

its a minecraft mod clinet

if i dont use a feature it doesnt exist to me

[olive sable]

apparently vulkan just likes seeing what's available

[amber fractal]

Why are you on curse :RAGEY:

[olive sable]

ATM9

for shadows server

[amber fractal]

Strange, I remeber not having to download another launcher for ATM

[olive sable]

idk

i just did it with that

[amber fractal]

Fair tbh

[olive sable]

normally id use fabric with nvidium, lithium and bobby

its 6am, those fuckers at belgacom should get their servers fixed soon. im getting tired of using a vpn

[midnight sigil]

is this #gaming chat?

[amber fractal]

maybe

[olive sable]

game-dev is a bit on the fence

[amber fractal]

*#programming is a bit on the fence

[olive sable]

i have not even touched the gpu and its at 200 lines of code

[sage crag]

"all technical talk should go here"

screeps is a game

[hard raptor]

Programming is wild, you just press a bunch of buttons and it makes your computer do funny stuffs

[sage crag]

sometime

[midnight sigil]

let's talk about the algorithm behind the little horses game

[nocturne olive]

Modern ANN architectures rely on linear algebra for their model functionalities, look up some videos explaining the math behind multilayer perceptrons and you'll get it, it's basically just a mathematical function with a ton of components

[nocturne olive]

Vulkan moment

[olive sable]

yep

[nocturne olive]

For an LLM, yes, this is the correct approach for anyone that doesn't have a mega-sized H100 cluster and terabytes of curated text data

Even my 3090 couldn't train a very good LLM

[desert plaza]

"All technical talk should go here. This includes programming, hardware, networking, security, mechantronics and so on."

typo in mechatronics btw

[nocturne olive]

That does not seem like something you would want to use an LLM for, you may much rather want to use a different approach, such as an SNN-based model that can also perform actual internal "thinking"

[split osprey]

LLM mostly so it can actually verbalize and understand in plain text it's "actions", and maybe do some high level planning/thinking, would be pretty slow at thinking due to that inference cap, and idk how the k_v cache would work being updated 20 times per second... but... i think it would be cool

[nocturne olive]

To get any acceptable results with a transformer you'd need a stupidly big mode, not achievable by a mere mortal, but with SNN you can I believe embed a small transformer into the main model to enhance text comprehension and output, while the SNN itself can focus on all other modalities

And an SNN-based approach has been successfully pulled off on fairly achievable hardware

[midnight sigil]

opengl is not great either

this is only the window class btw

[olive sable]

what are you doing for your windows tho?

[midnight sigil]

literally window initialization

[midnight sigil]

just getter/setters, callbacks, buffers and window update

[nocturne olive]

So I guess most of the class you have is just boilerplate?

[olive sable]

its only 80 lines for me while handling both web and local

[rough bloom]

now do it without SDL

[sage crag]

sdl does the work of making a window for u

its like the main point of sdl, getting something to draw on cross platform

[sage crag]

glfw is not gl

its like sdl in that it makes the window for you

[olive sable]

i know

[sage crag]

windows are a pain.

[olive sable]

nobody is forcing you to do it yourself

[midnight sigil]

says by a vulkan user

[olive sable]

yes

im trying to eliminate overhead, not my sanity

i dont have much left

[midnight sigil]

I guess

[nocturne olive]

Silliness

[sage crag]

overhead or sanity

[midnight sigil]

it works it works

triangles

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

niuh

[olive sable]

thats fine for a single time use render, but for the love of god dont use that for every single mesh

[midnight sigil]

this fucking intellij guy is telling me it can't fucking parse my jdk

wdym you can't parse it

if minecraft can use it you can too

[nocturne olive]

I would listen, Sam used OpenGL to make an incredibly high performance game engine before

[olive sable]

im its not that big of a deal what i made

it just pains me to see glEnableVertexAttribArray in the render code

that should be illegal

[midnight sigil]

it works

[olive sable]

idk if enlgish has an expresion that works the same as what im thinking

[midnight sigil]

anyways chat should I update my IntelliJ IDEA Community Edition 2023.3.3 to IntelliJ IDEA Community Edition 2025.1.4

my ide is 2 years behind

[olive sable]

in dutch we say "tis nog dat tekort" which translates to "its only missing that".
its supposed to be in a sarcastic way

[stark needle]

wym what about qwen audio, gemma 3n etc

[midnight sigil]

actually I forgot why I put it there

[olive sable]

please remove them

[midnight sigil]

the last time I modified it was 2023/02/11

[olive sable]

its been like that for 2 years?

[midnight sigil]

I don't know if removing it would cause any issues in my pipeline

[olive sable]

please tell me this program was never used liek that

[stark needle]

https://huggingface.co/lerobot/smolvla_base @vital kayak

[olive sable]

you're supposed to enable them while making the buffers

[stark needle]

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

oh yea now I know

it's only called once in a loop no worries

[nocturne olive]

What is this and why did you ping me?

[olive sable]

"once" and "in a loop" should not be in the same sentence

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

this is some terible shit

[midnight sigil]

I'm trying to pick up what I've learned 2 years ago

I don't recall anything

I'm cooked for using too many blender

it's running at 3100fps

chat no worries

[olive sable]

you're supposed to do something along these lines for init of the mesh

and then drawing is just this

[midnight sigil]

ahh so it looks like I just go for the simplest implementation

just draw everything one by one

[olive sable]

my code is pretty masive cuz im dealing with the gltf file format here

parse the file once, get every mesh in it into a vao

for a simple mesh youd not use the gltf way an do it in a single block of code instead of these loops

[midnight sigil]

tbh you can already know my code is fucking ass when I'm defining each vertex manually

the project is called lwjgl test anyways

[olive sable]

thats normal

[midnight sigil]

are you sure

[olive sable]

if you're definign the vertices yourself anyways you could always remove the hastle of vertex atributes and put it directly in the shader

[olive sable]

kinda, you're doing it pretty ineficiently tho

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

for a cube i do it like this

its math

[midnight sigil]

I should make a Cube class nocap

and fit 80 lines of code just to set up getter/setters

[olive sable]

Ah my isp fixed their server issues

I can use discord without vpn'ing to holland

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

I like how im saying how its better to do it on the gpu, and your immediate response is time for OOP

[midnight sigil]

I'm a Java user after all

very good performance

I'm back to blender

fuck java

[sage crag]

em dash

[stark needle]

the state action model showing it's possible and an actual use case for a llm

thats how u make a llm control a robot

[nocturne olive]

How strange

[stark needle]

chatagi

[nocturne olive]

And inefficient

[stark needle]

i mean it works

thats how all of the robots work

e.g. optimus, the gemini robotics, figure 1

etc

[noble zodiac]

why would you want to control anything with natrual language tho

[chrome peak]

hellooo, Lately I’ve been asking myself where I want to go in life. What are you doing with yours? How have you found a purpose or a meaningful way to apply what you’re learning?

[glass flower]

i used to be a 3d animator. but there were no schools for that when i had to go into further education so i went to a programmer school instead because it was free and close-by... thats how i found my purpose. from then on i'm doing my own projects and getting better at programming every day (and expanding my portfolio).
its fun. i like doing it

[nocturne olive]

I guess I make vocal synthesizers and use them, some silliness like that

[chrome peak]

thanksss, i dont know much about programming but i am searching motivation thankkkks

[trim valve]

might be about to rewrite my rust application in go

[opaque wharf]

Because then normies can use them. Probably

[olive sable]

how you gon have 15fps?

what int he fuck are you running this on?

is this a voodoo fx 3000?

no consumer gpu should strugle with 8 vertices

[glass flower]

i would guess every block is fully drawn. so its not 8 verts. its more like 8 verts per cube in the big cube

[olive sable]

so still 8 vertices

unless you arent doing instancing?

[glass flower]

why would he do instancing

[olive sable]

@midnight sigil please tell me you're instancing those

[glass flower]

you don't do instancing in a voxel-type game. because every instance is unique

so.. it wouldn't really help

[olive sable]

you do

[glass flower]

not really

i've build like 5 different voxel engines. never did any instancing

[olive sable]

why not?

[glass flower]

because you can't

[opaque wharf]

Depending on the voxel, it could be that every voxel is not unique

[glass flower]

you can't instance a unique object

[opaque wharf]

It would be a pretty boring world tho

[glass flower]

you chunk it. and then generate the mesh for the chunk. and that chunk mesh is 99% of the time unique

[olive sable]

you just do chunking no?
you draw instanced with the amount of instances to draw being stored in the chunk info. then the locations are stored in an SBSO??????

[glass flower]

no

[olive sable]

why not?

[glass flower]

because..

[olive sable]

because....?

like there has to be a good reason

[glass flower]

i really don't understand what you mean

[olive sable]

nah, i dont understand what YOU mean

[glass flower]

you make chunks. generate a mesh for the chunk. and then draw the chunk

thats it

[olive sable]

you mean to tell me you're sending the mesh data to the gpu every time the chunk changes?

are you being serious?

[glass flower]

ofcourse... well.. technically every frame not just when it changes.

[midnight sigil]

no

I'm duplicating them

👍

[olive sable]

EVERY FRAME?????????????????

god

may he help us all

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/maymun-gif-2091187922348225390

[olive sable]

does this work?
you're getting fps and not seconds per frame?

[midnight sigil]

you actually do greedy meshing, culling instead of instancing

[olive sable]

that has stopped being the issue here

he just told me he's sending it to the gpu every frame?

like i cant bruh

[rough bloom]

yeah, instancing is usually unnecessary for voxel-based engines
you just get one relatively small mesh instead
-# well, one per chunk but who cares

[midnight sigil]

you do switch sending thing

I think

[olive sable]

you should only send new data when the data changes

in other words when the terrain has changed

[glass flower]

ofcourse it works i get like 165 fps with vsync

[rough bloom]

it's fine, there's like a few gigabytes of bandwidth and meshes are tiny
would want multiple in-flight frames to hide the latency but that's not very unusual

[olive sable]

ye but itss till opengl

"multiple in-flight frames" you get to choose between 1 or 2

"that's not very unusual"

[olive sable]

so basicly
greedy meshing:
-simplified overal mesh
-requires cpu time
-frustum or occlusion culling

instancing:
-faster to update
-harder to cull

so a mostly static environment benefits from greedy meshing while a dynamic one should use instancign

[glass flower]

ignore the missing chunks.. its a engine thats like 5 months old

this is what im doing every frame. for every chunk

[olive sable]

looks fine for a greedy mesher

[glass flower]

a binary greedy mesher to be exact

[rough bloom]

you can use both
static parts of the terrain can be rendered by combining voxels into a single mesh while anything dynamic can be rendered individually

[olive sable]

is that not the norm?

[glass flower]

not really..

[olive sable]

huh

[glass flower]

most do a naive greedy mesher. or rather a culled greedy mesher. its basically just the math thats different

[olive sable]

i watched this video like a year back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnGoGq7DWMc

[glass flower]

im using that one

i translated the rust code to c++

[opaque wharf]

Blazing fast 🦀

[glass flower]

and now im porting my c++ code to rust again

like actually. i just have them side by side and just translating the c++ code i wrote back to rust. with a bit of looking into the original rust implementation

[olive sable]

le arrow

i see you have some type of syntax mod

[glass flower]

you mean the orange text on the rust side?

thats error lens. saw it in a youtube video. and wanted to try it out

or what exactly are you talking about

[olive sable]

i still dont get what a voxel being unique has to do with it supposedly being not being instanceable.

[olive sable]

!= becomes =/=

[glass flower]

thats just a font

[glass flower]

i don't understand how its suppose to be instanceable

but im rewriting it in rust as a gdextension.. so.. godot is doing the instancing now

if it does

idk

[rough bloom]

they should be instanceable if you don't combine multiple voxels into the same mesh

chunks can't be instanced obviously

[glass flower]

well. the voxels are a single mesh per chunk

if you do every voxel on its own. obviously thats instanceable. since its just a texture change

[olive sable]

well thats what i meant, each one indivdualy

since caibi was just making a cube of voxels

[rough bloom]

i hate ligatures i hate ligatures i hate ligatures

[glass flower]

but maybe that cube of voxels is suppose to be a single chunk

[olive sable]

[glass flower]

but that arrow looks cool

[olive sable]

rn they're just doing every voxel as a seperate object so nobody is happy

[glass flower]

im using this

[olive sable]

grrr

[glass flower]

hey... atleast its rendering. thats already a achievemnt

it took me like 2 days to get anything rendering

[olive sable]

in opengl?

[glass flower]

well i used sokol

[olive sable]

hold on i need to google something

[glass flower]

i think its defaults to directx for me

but it has a opengl like syntax

[olive sable]

you used this guy?

[glass flower]

https://github.com/floooh/sokol

[olive sable]

its kinda like opengl ye

[glass flower]

tho.. honestly i didn't really like working with it