programming

[amber fractal]

Congrats @olive sable xdx

[olive sable]

huh

ah

okay

[amber fractal]

geez, I've been dealing with this window manager all day

Just getting it working is a challenge

I have enough keybinds to be comfortable and now I get to be stupid because I forgot to autostart portals

I was wondering why screen sharing wasn't working

-# Side note, linux discord update seems to allow for screensharing cameras and other devices

[opaque wharf]

Huh? I know about screen sharing a virtual display, but camera is new to me

[amber fractal]

I just updated as part of updating my setup and I was suprised as well

The offical app has legs it seems

[opaque wharf]

So it can run away anytime someone is trying to stress test it

But I think it is more of a browser thing if Discord app is electron-like

[amber fractal]

I just so happen to already have obs virtual camera set up

So after I deal with portals I'll test

[opaque wharf]

Because browser -> asked the OS -> OS show supported selection to the user

[nocturne olive]

Are you sillying with Wayland or something?

[amber fractal]

Inapp (somehow)

flicking on my actual camera I got a live feed preview inapp

[opaque wharf]

I think it's more of a pipewire+xdg thing

[amber fractal]

Window managers are not plug and play unlike desktops

[prime ridge]

Openbox just doesn't work with discord for me anymore

it just shows a white box and bricks

[opaque wharf]

Well I mean, yeah, if the app is electron (a.k.a, just browser), then requesting UserMedia something will open up the selection I think. The browser does the heavy lifting

[amber fractal]

-# Zen decided to send dark mode setting into the shadow realm for some reason

YOU DID NOT JUST DELETE MY CONFIG

[nocturne olive]

Whuh

[amber fractal]

New config time in home-manager because the file destroyed itself

[nocturne olive]

At least when I was having to mess with NeuroSynth's dictionary files they didn't delete themselves if I got the config wrong

[amber fractal]

It was a working config, I sanely thought that home-manager would let me know if it was going to tamper with a file

because that is what it always does

[opaque wharf]

Until it decides it doesn't need to do that anymore

[amber fractal]

Seems like it

I'm glad I didn't have much

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

[amber fractal]

Well besides the fact I no longer have a second enviroment for if I needed to look stuff up

go go gadget gamescope

[nocturne olive]

-# If anyone's curious, once I figured out the format I used an LLM to complete the NeuroSynth dictrionary files because it was faster, and the kind of task LLMs are decent for

[amber fractal]

uhhhhhh, it works

[opaque wharf]

You use vertical display as main?

[olive sable]

thats a laptop so uhh...

i fuckign hope we dont have vertical laptops in this world

[amber fractal]

seconded uhh

-# Why are you square

[opaque wharf]

Sometimes I do this

[amber fractal]

Eww I needed flash to explain why this is cused

also I need to do some cleaning but that keyboard is not going to ever be clean

[amber fractal]

I've done this once or twice

[opaque wharf]

It is nice when reading a book/pdf/docs

[amber fractal]

I just read on mobile, granted I had a LG V60 as my last phone one can see why I have that habit.

Ignore the fact I needed two copies of my manga app to properly do what I needed to

How in the frick are these home manager files not simlinks? That'd explain why it was happy to remove files.

the checks only exist if it knows who owns it

On the plus side, as long as I don't reload the config before I port it I can edit it to my heart's content

Why is my desktop crashing?
The keybind I normally set to quit apps being set to exit the desktop:

[olive sable]

i need to make the grass get pushed by the player...
time to watch a 1 hour gdc from the uncharted devs

[opaque wharf]

[amber fractal]

Good news, screen sharing is working now

Just need a screenshot tool for the new menu

Half surprised hyprshot is working outside of hyprland

[olive sable]

this is what i currently have.
only 1000fps cuz i was testing some stuff.
1048579 instances tho

thats over a milion

[nocturne olive]

Very grass

[olive sable]

the grass itself already looks pretty good, jsut need better physics sim imo

[bitter coral]

Reminds me of what ended up in my recommend today https://youtu.be/GOfttJQ-FGw?si=QUAGK1nV7yYZRzX7

[amber fractal]

Of course it doesn't work because why would it

No additonal menus unlike the application side @opaque wharf

[opaque wharf]

That is interesting

[olive sable]

"seeing grass poke through the floor is worse than plane incident"

[amber fractal]

hmmmmmm

[amber fractal]

Yeah, that's why I brought it up originally, because last time I checked that is not how it is normally doms

not on wayland anyways

[opaque wharf]

"Grass doesn't normally move"

Poor assumption lmao

[olive sable]

good video

[amber fractal]

That's how you know they are a content creator

[opaque wharf]

But no funny internet man 😭

[opaque wharf]

Indeed lol

[hard raptor]

I love how all 4 processing cores of my current i5-3320M
Isn't even struggling with while also running a vm with essentially full access to all system resources, but the 1 graphical core is really struggling

The processing cores only peaked when the calamari installer was starting up

[olive sable]

i wonder how long i can keep these commit messages curse word free

[amber fractal]

5 commits

[olive sable]

wdym graphical core?

there is a cpu core for doing the graphics?

[amber fractal]

iGPU

[hard raptor]

That's quite literally what integrated graphics is

[olive sable]

does the igpu count as a core?
i wouldnt say so

igpu's still use a the basic gpu architecture

[bitter coral]

I have that on my old computer, it’s gpu got recked by rats so I have to use it’s integrated graphics.

[hard raptor]

Oh and GPUs don't have cores?

[amber fractal]

I daily my iGPU, to be fair it is good enough for me

We love 300 fps in modded minecraft

[olive sable]

they do, but they have hundreds of small ones. like why are you using a single one?

i thought you were talkign about cpu cores first cuz you generally dont do it that way

[amber fractal]

Integrated graphics don't have many cores, otherwise it would be like a mac

[bitter coral]

My current computer doesn’t have igpu and it’s 3090 kept crashing for a good while.

Thankfully it recovered and I haven’t had any issues lately.

[olive sable]

they have less of them sure, but my old 5700g still had 512 of them.
ig if its an intel cpu then its in execution units?

[faint sandal]

I still use my 2018 xps 13 with uhd620

[noble zodiac]

I use a x270 thinkpad

[hard raptor]

Ohh like so... yeah no it's kinda a grey not fully agreed upon on how to refer to them exactly, cuz yes, they do have hundreds of tiny logical cores, but the layout is confusing since it essentialy still works as just 1 unified thing where the cores aren't responsible for the entire thing but only parts of the full picture, so they work together, hence why i called it 1 core, because if you compare the whole thing to a cpu core it looks kinda as 1 thing just with a lot of tiny things that work together on just 1 thing

[noble zodiac]

and have a x220 as a backup

[olive sable]

ahhhh

ok ok

[hard raptor]

So yes, i guess you are correct

[olive sable]

i think those are the rops?

[amber fractal]

For gpu I consider rops to be the closest to CPU cores

[olive sable]

no

[amber fractal]

at least that bundled with the cores it handles

[hard raptor]

But my point is, my integrated graphics just doesn't like handling 2 systems at the same time

[olive sable]

thats fair ye

[opaque wharf]

The modern system is such a mess and it's a wonder that it works at all

[hard raptor]

It is really trying to do as little as possible in the vm though

[hard raptor]

True

[olive sable]

its the streaming multiproccesor, i fucking love these stupid names

[amber fractal]

The reason I'm glad that the Core Dumped channel exists

[olive sable]

the shader pipeline laid out as a diagram is so cursed imo

[hard raptor]

Damn

[nocturne olive]

GPUs are silly

[amber fractal]

Low level hardware+software concepts in a nicely packed video based on exact subject.

[hard raptor]

GPUs are just very expensive collections of millions of very simple calculators

[olive sable]

who doesn't love the... "Giga Thread Engine"

[amber fractal]

CPUs also fit this category

[olive sable]

kinda ye

[nocturne olive]

Well, CPUs are more complex calculators

[hard raptor]

Yeah but then we are not talking about millions.. just 128 at most (i believe there are ones that go up to 512, but i'm not sure) also CPUs are less simple calculators

[amber fractal]

me when the neural thread engines are named "GigaNeuro thread Engines"

[olive sable]

cpu cores are the lvl 1000 isekai protagonists, while gpu cores are the 1 milion lvl 3 goblins

[amber fractal]

It would match convention at least

[opaque wharf]

Now I wonder. Theoretically speaking, how would one design a computer with harvard architecture

[olive sable]

its funny to me how big the 2080ti's rt cores are and they still sucked so much

[hard raptor]

Okay my 4 CPU cores are struggling when the vm is compiling rust

[olive sable]

wdym "harvard architecture"?

[hard raptor]

But that is not surprising

[hard raptor]

And they claim to spread accross 3 dimensions?!

[opaque wharf]

The opposite of von neumann

[olive sable]

that does not help

[opaque wharf]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_architecture

[hard raptor]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_architecture

[opaque wharf]

Notably

The term "von Neumann architecture" has evolved to refer to any stored-program computer in which an instruction fetch and a data operation cannot occur at the same time (since they share a common bus).

[hard raptor]

(For comparison)

[olive sable]

von neuman seems to be skill isued

[hard raptor]

Harvard architecture is mainly used in microcontrollers

[opaque wharf]

But it is what most modern systems use. Okay, it's technically a bit of both, but for all intents and purposes, it is von neumann

[olive sable]

that seems liek a waste

parallelization is the key to performance

[opaque wharf]

Which is why:

For performance reasons, internally and largely invisible to the user, most designs have separate processor caches for the instructions and data, with separate pathways into the processor for each.

[olive sable]

good

id be dissapointed if they didnt

[opaque wharf]

That's the L# cache usually marketed in CPU

[hard raptor]

Harvard Architecture just can't handle heavy loads, hence why it is mainly common in Microcontrollers and Digital Signal Processors

[olive sable]

why not?

[hard raptor]

The principal advantage of the pure Harvard architecture—simultaneous access to more than one memory system—has been reduced by modified Harvard processors using modern CPU cache systems. Relatively pure Harvard architecture machines are used mostly in applications where trade-offs, like the cost and power savings from omitting caches, outweigh the programming penalties from featuring distinct code and data address spaces.

[olive sable]

[hard raptor]

We just haven't been able to make one following the architecture that is efficient enough while also being able to handle heavy loads

[opaque wharf]

In other words, what I am wondering now

How would one create such system

Because slapping 2 memory bank seems to be the best I can come up with

[hard raptor]

I believe ARM actually uses a hybrid architecture between both von neumann and harvard, hence why it can be powerful, yet effecient, cuz the harvard architecture handles lighter loads more efficiently than von neumann and heavier loads are better on von neumann

Could be wrong about that

[opaque wharf]

I think most systems, even ARM are modified harvard, just like x86 is

The only possible way to improve is go like apple

Cast everything into the silicone

Then pure-harvard would run circles around other system

[opaque wharf]

Note that I said x86 is still von neumann due to the fact that users typically don't have control over the cpu cache

[tender river]

why did i decide to make a second sat solver

[trim valve]

[opaque wharf]

Did you not get the memo chay? Cursed hour is over

[midnight sigil]

I guess I'm deleting valorant

like

how is wuthering waves smaller than valorant

[opaque wharf]

I have a better question

[glass flower]

why is your csgo 130gb

[opaque wharf]

Wtf is CSGO doin

[hard raptor]

The delivery person is almost here with my case and motherboard

[midnight sigil]

it's there cuz it's there

[opaque wharf]

My god that is fast

[hard raptor]

Can do a lil test fit

[glass flower]

its like almost tripple the size its suppose to be.. mine is 60gb

[hard raptor]

Next day delivery is gud stuffs

[midnight sigil]

I have 2 versions of cs installed, apparently

cs2 and csgo_legacy

I have no idea why

[opaque wharf]

Probably valve forgot to remove the legacy

[hard raptor]

The app say between now and 22 minutes

[midnight sigil]

steam did not kill our games

[trim valve]

you have to install them seperately

[midnight sigil]

yep

it was a test branch

[trim valve]

if you go into the cs2 beta options there's the csgo_legacy branch

[opaque wharf]

I see

[glass flower]

but you can't have both installed no?

[midnight sigil]

you can

it's like having multiple versions of one repository

you just need to git checkout

[hard raptor]

Would it actually be smort to put motherboard and old gpu in there to see if fits?

[midnight sigil]

yes

[midnight sigil]

oh and I have 75.6gb of demos

I guess I love to watch myself

[glass flower]

[midnight sigil]

just a small amount of 307 matches

oh fuck I forgot to analyse them in the demo analyser

[tender river]

i think it works

well it does but its slow

[midnight sigil]

hurray I cleaned off 200gb on my ssd

time to download 200gb more

[warped narwhal]

I see you are also a person of culture

[midnight sigil]

[stark needle]

Sure buddy

https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/openai-chatgpt/sam-altman-needs-100-million-ai-gpus

Bro does NOT need 100 million gpus

😭😭

[opaque wharf]

No, he needs it so the supply ran out. Then the competitor will have no GPU left

[stark needle]

I find it funny how

He still calls himself non profit

When it's obvious he's doing for profit

[solid bough]

Wait, Wyd with Valorant?

[stark needle]

Even the huggingface company which is actually for profit is more open and giving than OpenAI

[maiden geyser]

people those days i swear

[solid bough]

Wait, What game is that?

[hard raptor]

Alr, seems to fit... gpu hanging a bit though

[solid bough]

I know the "CS2" part but the "Exte" part got me confused DavePvZ

[maiden geyser]

exte(rnal cheat)

[opaque wharf]

Use something to hold it. One of those anti sag stuff

[solid bough]

Okay, I can't care less about that game anyways

Portal 2 ftw

[maiden geyser]

how do you even get your cards to sag

[solid bough]

Do you wanna see my "GPU Support"?

[hard raptor]

It seems to be mainly just the heatsink and put minimal strain on the pci connector

[maiden geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/671211728968744980/1028258145157513216/togif-1.gif

[hard raptor]

Alright

[solid bough]

Mmmmm, that’s my GPU btw:

[hard raptor]

Imma pack up the accessories thingies, and shove it back in the box so i can carry it upstairs

[solid bough]

And yes, I'm new

[midnight sigil]

[solid bough]

The tiny GPU underneath the big GPU is the NVIDIA Quadro M2000

[midnight sigil]

I csgo cheat dev

well it's long time ago

2024/08/24

[solid bough]

Btw, why that reaction?

[midnight sigil]

and the result doesn't work as well so whatever

[midnight sigil]

cuz u green leaf

[solid bough]

I don't cheat on games. (the only game I did use a mod menu was GTA V and not that I get money, just to be silly)

[midnight sigil]

what is that for your gpu support??

[solid bough]

Oh

[solid bough]

That is an excuse of a GPU sag prevention

just a stapler

[midnight sigil]

[maiden geyser]

is that a dma card on top

[solid bough]

That is a PCIe to USB 3.xx USB Card

Idk what version, and frankly, I don't really care rn

It just has to work

[rare bramble]

new screeps base design, less efficient with roads, way more forgiving for bad terrain generation and it has room for misc stuff like cannons, storage, exhange, labs, etc

[midnight sigil]

that is the bayer pattern iirc

[solid bough]

Dear juhotuho10,

May you please elaborate what that is about?

Best regards, Chaosminecraft

[opaque wharf]

Correct

[solid bough]

From top to bottom:
PCIe to USB 3.xx card (needs SATA power)
Asus NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti TUF GAMING OC EDITION
NVIDIA Quadro M2000

[rare bramble]

base design for screeps - world (a game)
the middle black spot is a spawn, the pink tiles are roads, yellow tiles are extension spots, white tiles are free to place whatever

[solid bough]

Damn, That sounds good :O

[midnight sigil]

I'm a camera sensor expert(partial) now

[solid bough]

What is the max resolution of the Canon EOS 2000D?

PS: if you don't know, it is okay

[glass flower]

maybe i should make a small screeps clone engine so i can quickly test things

now that i think about it a tiny bit more.. sounds like pain

[solid bough]

[opaque wharf]

Good

[solid bough]

Coding can be pain and great

[glass flower]

i should remake screeps in rust

[solid bough]

Why rust? Why not Python?

[glass flower]

don't you dare nerdsnipe me

i will do it and i will regret it

[warped narwhal]

what do you use the quadro for? given that it is so much weaker than your 3070ti

is it just for extra displays?

[glass flower]

who would pick python for something like that

[solid bough]

Well, when I do streaming and SteamVR (Or I thikn in general VR) I need an extra card that can do NVENC

[solid bough]

nope

[warped narwhal]

I wonder if you even need that, as encoding doesn't use the general compute die, so VR performance shouldn't suffer, although it will use up a tad more vram

[opaque wharf]

But it will use the same memory no?

Yeah, exactly

[warped narwhal]

only about 1/2 to 1gb though, so it is not extreme

[solid bough]

It's just when I used HEVC NVENC on the main GPU, since at least SteamVR used HEVC NVENC too, I would get not so great of a gameplay.

[opaque wharf]

So if there's a performance drop, the encoder may be affected,

[solid bough]

Long story short: The NVIDIA Quadro M2000 is competent enough to encode video.

[midnight sigil]

24 MP 🗣️ 🔥

[solid bough]

True, the camera with the max resolution of 6000x4000 is 24MP.

[hard raptor]

One question, that may save me 180 euros (which is not much in this situation) but what part of a motherboard decides what processors it is compatible with? I assume the socket and the chipset, correct?

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[hard raptor]

Okay then i'm good

[solid bough]

Btw, Wanna know how much money I needed for my NVIDIA Quadro M2000?

[warped narwhal]

yes, although the only time the chipset will matter, is if you are running a newer am4 processor on a really old am4 motherboard which you would need to do a bios update to get compatibility. aka a 5800x3d, on an a320 motherboard

[hard raptor]

I was just a bit confused cuz the specs of the motherboard on the webpage of the store i got it from said it was compatible with ryzen 7 but i want a ryzen 9, but i assume then that's because that is just the recommended configuration

[solid bough]

I do agree that the RTX GPU is faster on Encode, but idk why it struggles on 2 HEVC Encoders

[midnight sigil]

can you recognize canon lenses by just looking at their 2d graph

[warped narwhal]

what motherboard are you looking at?

[solid bough]

No...

[rare bramble]

released in 2016, maxwell generation, 4gb of vram, around same compute power as 1050, i wouldnt pay much for that, dont know about the special hardware

[solid bough]

I paid: Nothing

[hard raptor]

Gigabyte B650 Eagle AX - AMD B650 - Socket AM5

The thing is.. i already have that motherboard here as it has arrived today

[warped narwhal]

it will support the ryzen 9 no issue

[hard raptor]

Alr

[rare bramble]

seems about the sum I would have paid for it

[solid bough]

Because I got a whole PC that had that inside it.

[hard raptor]

So then my assumption was correct

[warped narwhal]

the only reason that I ask, is that the earliest am4 motherboards (like the a320) existed before the ryzen 9 was a thing, so they could struggle with the power demands. but a b650 is an am5 so it will have absolutely no problem

[solid bough]

And the PC? I also got that for free.

and I think I should say that: No theft was done, I asked if I can have it and the boss said yes

[warped narwhal]

sure you did

[opaque wharf]

She posted the list before. Is good

[solid bough]

I was not joking. The PC I got after the internship has: Motherboard: A Fujitsu D3348-B2 CPU: Intel Xeon E5-1650 V3 RAM: 4x8GB 1866MT/s OS: Windows 10 22H2

[warped narwhal]

[solid bough]

Huh?

That is pretty much what I know of from my head

[warped narwhal]

that cpu is over a decade old

[hard raptor]

(The list in question)

[v] Case: NZXT H9 Flow (€165)
[  ] CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7900X  (€349)
[  ] AIO Cooler: NZXT Kraken plus 360 (€192,49)
[v] Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 EAGLE AX (€139)
[  ] RAM: Kingston FURY Beast 64GB - DIMM - DDR5 (2x 32GB) (€164,90)
[  ] 1st SDD:  Samsung 990 EVO Plus - 1TB (€86,90)
[  ] PSU: Corsair RM1000e - 1000W (€169,90)
[  ] New GPU: Gigabyte AMD Radeon 7600 XT 16GB (€364)

[solid bough]

Not really, it is 2016, But it is not too bad that I got the PC with these parts: Motherboard: A Fujitsu D3348-B2 CPU: Intel Xeon E5-1650 V3 RAM: 4x8GB 1866MT/s GPU: NVIDIA Quadro M2000 OS: Windows 10 22H2

[solid bough]

What does the "v" mean?

[hard raptor]

It's checkmark, as in, i already bought those parts

[solid bough]

Oh. Wanna know the configuration of my PC that I use rn?

[hard raptor]

Here it is with an old gpu i had laying around

[warped narwhal]

I'm interested about why you are going for a ryzen 9, but then only getting a 7600xt, do you not do to many graphically intensive things?

[hard raptor]

Not really no

[opaque wharf]

The heaviest game is probably The Sims 4 and GTA V

But then again, on 4K it may struggle a bit with highest setting

But it is configurable

[hard raptor]

(Which both rely a lot on cpu rather than graphics processing)

[solid bough]

I'm going to assume for a bit and think that this is either a Asus NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 or a Asus NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070

[opaque wharf]

Indeed

[warped narwhal]

from the looks of the 2nd hand market, you could potentially get a 6800xt or even a 6900xt for the same price as the 7600xt

you would be missing out on a few AI features like ROCm, and maybe losing a warranty, but you would be nearly 50% better in performance. (not to mention the vram improvements as well)

[solid bough]

Idk if the list I made has too many newlines ngl...

[hard raptor]

It's an AMD HD7950

[solid bough]

My bad

[solid bough]

btw, that is my PC list:```
Motherboard: ─ ASUS TUF GAMING Z490-PLUS (WI-FI) (Nuvoton NCT6798D)
PSU: ─ Be Quiet Straight Power 11 Power Supply, Black 1000W 80 Plus Gold
CPU: ─ Intel Core i9 10900K @3.7GHz Base Frequency
CPU Cooler: ─ Liquid Freezer 2 360
RAM: ┬1. Empty
├2. 16GB DDR4 @3300MT/s
├3. Empty
└4. 16GB DDR4 @3300MT/s
GPU: ┬1. Intel UHD Graphics 630
├2. Asus Nvidia GeForce RTX 3070 TI TUF Gaming
└3. NVIDIA Quadro M2000
System drive: Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 1TB M.2 (S4EWNM0NC25426B)
Internal HDD/SSD: ─ Western Digital 1TB SATA 3.5 HDD
External Storage: WD Elements 25A2 USB Device 2TB
case: ─ be Quiet! Dark Base 700
OS: Windows 10 22H2

Excuse me NeuroBot?

huh?

Anyway

[rare bramble]

my first gpu was AMD HD7850
crazy to see gpus from that time still lying around

[hard raptor]

I found it by a donation bin

[solid bough]

Damn

I wonder if that is a thing in Germany

[hard raptor]

Ehhh.. it probably is tbh... otherwise, just come to the netherlands

[solid bough]

Oh (。_。)

But I can't help but say yes when I get offered a PC for no cost

That is how I got to have a PC with a Intel Pentium 4 2GHz

Did I make this chat fall asleep with that message?

[rigid snow]

the e5 family is pretty solid, especially the 2nd gen. they're eyewateringly cheap for the performance they have

is it the generation even idk

e5-2xxx is what i mean

[opaque wharf]

Nah, this is just normal dead hour

[tender river]

st monad time

[opaque wharf]

Saint Monad?

[rigid snow]

it's almost always workshop maps, i have like 50gb of them. never seen anyone have this much demos downloaded

[tender river]

unholy monad

[solid bough]

[solid bough]

I got Intel Xeon E5-1650 V3 on the other PC

[opaque wharf]

Well, this is #programming after all. So compared to other channel, of course it will be less active

Especially NN

[solid bough]

Oh.
-# What do you mean with NN?

[rigid snow]

#neurotic-neurons

nn is way more dead btw

[solid bough]

Oh

[stark needle]

erm

[solid bough]

hmm?

[stark needle]

no comment

[solid bough]

Okay

[rigid snow]

[solid bough]

The only thing that is gonna change until like 2030 or tops 2035 maybe is the RAM

[rigid snow]

!nothing

[stiff mica]

Nothing ever happens, all-in

[solid bough]

Wait, Who is NeuroBot?

[rigid snow]

me

[solid bough]

Oh

[rigid snow]

it's just a bot idk what you expect to hear

[opaque wharf]

WHAT?

IMPOSSIBLE

[solid bough]

Idk, That a person is behind that

[rigid snow]

what i mean is there's way less activity compared to how active it usually is, compared to the same thing applied here

it's slightly lower than usual activity here and nn is straight up deaaad

[solid bough]

Anyways, What do you think of that function? ```py
def timereader():
current_time=datetime.datetime.now()
if config.language == "de":
print(f"\nDie zeit ist:", current_time.strftime("%d/%m/%Y, %H:%M:%S"), "\n")

else:
    print(f"\nThe time is:", current_time.strftime("%m/%d/%Y, %r"), "\n")

return```

[rigid snow]

new Date().toLocaleString() common js win

[solid bough]

js?

I know that means "Java Script" but that is not "Java Script"

or something java

[rigid snow]

new Date().toLocaleString() is javascript and it does the same thing as you're trying to do, but supports all locales

but no "The time is"

'7/24/2025, 4:57:34 PM' is what it returns for me, i'm on en-us

[solid bough]

Where is the issue? I just wanted the time printed, It just makes it say something like: The time is: 07/24/2025, 03:58:14 PM

[opaque wharf]

`The time is: ${new Date().toLocaleString()}`

[solid bough]

And I have no plans to add a third language to my code ngl

[rigid snow]

i forgor the syntax to supply a custom locale

instead of your system one

but you can

[solid bough]

No offense, I code in Python 3.xx, And I just wrote that it works.

[opaque wharf]

I think either creating new Intl or just pass the locale string

[rigid snow]

> new Date().toLocaleString("ru")
'24.07.2025, 17:00:13'

yeah

[opaque wharf]

I know, it's just how you'd have done it in JS

[rigid snow]

i just said this is way easier in js

[solid bough]

Okay, that is true, I just think that my completely oofed sleep schedule is making me a little more tired than usual

But I at least try to improve rn

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, try to look into i18n

Or l10n

[rigid snow]

i18n

[opaque wharf]

Luckily I am not the one translating lol

[midnight sigil]

go torrent go

[solid bough]

Why would I need to? There is only English or German (aka "en or "de")

[rigid snow]

surely it's a solved problem now with llms

[opaque wharf]

Don't forget to seed the linux ISOs

[opaque wharf]

Suuurely

[rigid snow]

and i don't mean translating strings, that's the fun part for me at least

[solid bough]

in my code, I forgot to say that

[midnight sigil]

I contribute

[hard raptor]

Guys hold on

[rigid snow]

translating is art

[hard raptor]

There MUST be a python library to do the thing more simpler

[opaque wharf]

Well, yeah. But the thing is, using if-else is not really the best way to go about it, even for 2 language

[opaque sigil]

there's a locale module where you can set the locale and then print a locale aware datetime

[solid bough]

mlntcandy.jsx, I really don't wanna add a language I don't understand, so that is why there is only the "MM/DD/YYY AM/PM" and "DD.MM.YYYY 24H

[rigid snow]

SCHIZO just one more pip install

[solid bough]

Yup

except on linux

[opaque wharf]

I have changed my ways when I was introduced to uv

[solid bough]

I really don't wanna test my code on Linux

[rigid snow]

uv is cool, python is still a trainwreck though

[opaque sigil]

Just one more uv pip install

[hard raptor]

Yeah, just treat it like it's nodejs.. just use a library for every thing that otherwise takes more than 1 line

[opaque wharf]

Statement dreamed of by the deranged

[solid bough]

I have no plans on learning another Programming language because why should I?

[rigid snow]

hey i get it i'm not prescribing you anything, just sparking/engaging in convos

what you're doing is fine

[solid bough]

True

[solid bough]

But what do you think of what I made with the CLI style input?```
[WARNING] This is a BETA version, There might be errors in the code.
So please report it to:

[LINK]

Info: GUI is for now only tested on Windows 10.

Welcome to the Beta version of the Text Converter.

The beta verision 3.1.6 is the latest version right now.

The programm needed that much to start: 0:00:07.804131
Volks@DESKTOP-22GDFAV:~$ time

The time is: 07/24/2025, 03:58:14 PM

Volks@DESKTOP-22GDFAV:~$```

The prompt can be customized too

[opaque wharf]

Are you making a shell?

[solid bough]

No, I just thought it is a nice challenge, but rn something doesn't work to customize the prompt

for god sakes, something just went wrong

It doesn't change the look at all

[solid bough]

a restart after the settings.json was altered made it change...

[opaque wharf]

Well, if you want to hot reload, you need to monitor the file for change

[solid bough]

It used to just work, And I pass back the value for the prompt look back to the part that needs it:

Like it should just see the changes immediately

screams in Lo-Fi

filtered

[opaque wharf]

[solid bough]

I'M DUMB

[solid bough]

Find the issue:

I really wanna get a coffee, but I need to work tomorrow

[opaque wharf]

I'd rather not tbh

I have things I am currently doing now too

[solid bough]

The text from making the prompt change never arrived, so that is why it NEVER changed

in short: the code never touched "prompt"

Finally:What prompt look? {host}@{system}:{name}~$ DESKTOP-22GDFAV@{system}:{name}~$ DESKTOP-22GDFAV@Windows 10:{name}~$ DESKTOP-22GDFAV@Windows 10:Volks~$ DESKTOP-22GDFAV@Windows 10:Volks~$

[opaque wharf]

Well, that's something

[solid bough]

Yeah

[solid bough]

Well, that is now done finally

[solid bough]

Well, my code can run of a Floppy assuming the rest needed is installed on the PC

I mean only the source code...

But I did put in something if the module importing failed.

[opaque wharf]

Honestly, I think source code size doesn't really matter much. But then again, it is python. At least js got minification and bundling

[solid bough]

one image:

That can't be put on a floppy, but it can just run like that

like any other program

[opaque wharf]

Wait, you compile the python to single exe?

[solid bough]

More like "Packaged"

But it can again do that:

[opaque wharf]

Oh, right. I forgot exe can do that too

[solid bough]

it's just pyinstaller

[rough bloom]

source code size does matter
the larger your code is (including dependencies) in relation to how complex its task is the more it sucks
the limitation is readability, code remaining readable is a higher priority

[solid bough]

True on readability, but why does it suck when it is more complex?

[rough bloom]

harder to work with and more prone to failure, both simply because there is more code

[opaque wharf]

But look how clean this code is

import isEven from "is-even"

const data = isEven(873)

[solid bough]

oh.

[opaque wharf]

[solid bough]

why make the import aspy import isEven from "is-even"instead of from is-even import isEven

[opaque wharf]

So we can have

import { a, b, c as D } from "somewhere"

[solid bough]

Oh, I just do: py from logger import log_init, logg

[opaque wharf]

We also have dynamic import in JS

[solid bough]

brb, doing some potato lifting

[opaque wharf]

So we can do

const { a, b, c: d } = await import("somewhere")

[hard raptor]

Maybe i can also move the 1st m.2 ssd from my component list to the later down the road upgrade list

Cuz i still have a bunch of sata ssds

[opaque wharf]

Judging from your use case, yes

[rigid snow]

the thing that pisses me off with js is that a dynamic import is still an operator (same color as any other op in syn highlighting) even though it looks like a function

[hard raptor]

But will talk to my financial advisor sometime next week, to see how everything would work financially, cuz if it is still doable for me within 3 months then i am gonna keep the lists as is

[opaque wharf]

It is the price that we must pay to be able to easily swap out module

[hard raptor]

If it is over 4 months, even though the impact of moving the ssd to the other list may be small, i will do move it

[tender river]

my version is better #programming message

[hard raptor]

I think that is literally just a syntax highlighting thing in ts-server

[rigid snow]

no it's intended, it's still an operator

[hard raptor]

But you use it as a function....

Oh god

What have they done

Aaaaaa

[rigid snow]

but it's an operator js moment

[hard raptor]

I must look at v8 code to confirm this claim

Not today though

Today i will just believe you

[rigid snow]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Operators/import

[hard raptor]

I don't care what mozilla says

If v8 code says it function

Then it function

[rigid snow]

The import() call is a syntax that closely resembles a function call, but import itself is a keyword, not a function. You cannot alias it like const myImport = import, which will throw a SyntaxError.

[hard raptor]

That's just a hardcoded error implemented by big ECMA to prevent us from renaming the import function, they just want us to believe we can't, imma prove them wrong!

[sage crag]

bwaleaf

[tender river]

bwa

[dapper kernel]

print(“hello world!”)

[opaque wharf]

You wake up at this hour again

[sage crag]

nyope i woke up 2 hours ago

[rigid snow]

wait, what are these quotes

[hard raptor]

It's giving lambda calculus

[sage crag]

microsoft word

[rigid snow]

microsoft word

[sage crag]

can we add print hello world to the bingo

ive seen a lot of it recently

[hard raptor]

Darn you haskell devs

[solid bough]

What is that?

[sage crag]

isEven

[opaque sigil]

[solid bough]

And I thought JS ins't cursed

[opaque wharf]

Now we just need Sam

[sage crag]

he would put all of the parentheses on new lines

[solid bough]

code output:
hello world!

[sage crag]

loud incorrect buzzer

[opaque wharf]

I don't think he'll do that for parentheses

[sage crag]

syntax error as the quotation marks are unicode quote unquote and not speech marks

[opaque wharf]

Curly bracket however...

[solid bough]

Wym? That code just says "hello world!"

[sage crag]

louder incorrect buzzer

[solid bough]

Why btw?

[rigid snow]

wait what the fuck, my node repl crashes when i type let s on s immediately

[sage crag]

it says “hello world!”

[rigid snow]

~ > node
Welcome to Node.js v24.4.1.
Type ".help" for more information.
> let snode:internal/readline/emitKeypressEvents:74
            throw err;
            ^

TypeError: Cannot read properties of null (reading 'start')
    at findExpressionCompleteTarget (node:repl:1722:68)
    at REPLServer.complete (node:repl:1487:55)
    at REPLServer.completer (node:repl:792:5)
    at showCompletionPreview (node:internal/repl/utils:233:10)
    at showPreview (node:internal/repl/utils:389:7)
    at REPLServer.self._ttyWrite (node:repl:1037:9)
    at ReadStream.onkeypress (node:internal/readline/interface:284:20)
    at ReadStream.emit (node:events:507:28)
    at ReadStream.emit (node:domain:489:12)
    at emitKeys (node:internal/readline/utils:371:14)

Node.js v24.4.1

[sage crag]

not "hello, world!"

different. wont work.

[solid bough]

Nope, print("Hello, world!") prints Hello, world!

[sage crag]

correct

however print(“Hello, world!”) does not

[solid bough]

and on python 2 it is print "Hello, world!" that then prints Hello, world!

[hard raptor]

[opaque wharf]

Unless for some godforsaken reason....

[solid bough]

It does

[hard raptor]

It doesn't

[sage crag]

[solid bough]

Have you touched any Python in some time?

[sage crag]

have you?

[hard raptor]

Look very closely.. specifically at the quotation marks

[solid bough]

I literally code in Python.

[opaque sigil]

[rigid snow]

??? this is so fucking weird hello

i don't know hot to fix

[solid bough]

[hard raptor]

Then just don't do that

[rigid snow]

not name variables beginning with s??

[solid bough]

WHY did you just use these kind of quotation marks?

[hard raptor]

I literally spoiled the whole joke... if you can't see that, you are blind af

[solid bough]

Actually, Why did you do it?

[dapper kernel]

Idk

[solid bough]

Man, I need a coffee because I'm not really awake but I need to go to work tomorrow.

[sage crag]

as you can see, i am correct

konii is only sometimes spreading misinformation

[solid bough]

I was writing it with " instead of, What you did

[sage crag]

correct

[solid bough]

Why?

[opaque wharf]

This isn't even chaos hour yet lmao

[hard raptor]

Can confirm

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-ship-gold-ship-dance-umamusume-dance-golshi-gold-ship-jukebox-gif-8107532327957041509

[opaque sigil]

Looks like the repl is bugged in 24.4, dope

Oh nice just don't reply then discord

[solid bough]

https://tenor.com/view/caine-tadc-digital-circus-urgh-gif-6511608730878394108

[solid bough]

I will still reply

[opaque wharf]

There is your answer mlnt

[rigid snow]

cool thanks node maintainers

[opaque wharf]

Ngl, a funny bug tho

[solid bough]

Tootally

[opaque wharf]

I've also moved to bun without pnpm. Life's good

[rigid snow]

nvm use 8 fixes this

[solid bough]

Java 8?

does that even get updates?

[rigid snow]

nodejs 8 which is arguably way worse

[tender river]

code

[solid bough]

Yes:

[sage crag]

im tempted to program but its grass touching day bwabwabwa

[rigid snow]

bun is cool however i still use pnpm because workspace stuff

i love my monorepos don't touch my monorepos

[tender river]

grass i miss it...

[solid bough]

It is soft ngl

[rigid snow]

did it die

[solid bough]

I like it

[rigid snow]

what happened to grass

[opaque wharf]

I used to do that too

[tender river]

no grass

[solid bough]

Idk

[opaque wharf]

Until I see that bun also has workspace

[solid bough]

I mowed the lawn yesterday

[opaque wharf]

What have you done to those poor grass

[rare bramble]

you kill grass

[rigid snow]

she mowed it with the lowest blade setting

[opaque wharf]

https://bun.sh/docs/install/workspaces

[solid bough]

oh no...

If lucky, it comes back

[rigid snow]

cool

[opaque wharf]

I like using bun now because then I don't have to have tsx as deps to run ts file directly lmao

[rigid snow]

that's the only reason?

[opaque wharf]

Hey, if I can cut down on 1 devdeps why not

[solid bough]

brb, drinking water, that might wake me up more

[rigid snow]

you are glad to have 1 less dependency, i npm install everything. we are not the same

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/grass-gif-6112271

[solid bough]

You... WHAT?

[rigid snow]

that's a real package btw and it does exactly what you think it does

[solid bough]

Yes, it has every package in there

but... Why?

[rare bramble]

to install everything

[warped narwhal]

[rigid snow]

yeah they got in trouble with npm because every package no matter how obscure got 1 dependent

and it apparently fucked their infra up

somehow

[solid bough]

I heard that there was once an issue 🤔

[rare bramble]

though there are malicious packages so I dont think installing everything is a good idea

[midnight sigil]

I found npm i everything-else

[solid bough]

Oh

[midnight sigil]

https://www.npmjs.com/package/everything-else

why does it have downloads

[rigid snow]

1 dependency, everything

[solid bough]

Why not?

[midnight sigil]

well now we know we have 7 versions of everything

literally everything

[opaque wharf]

Its not somehow lmao. I makes a whole graph traversal become one single big graph

[rigid snow]

everything-rs when

[sage crag]

compile time: forever

[rigid snow]

until the heat death of the universe

[midnight sigil]

we also have anything

https://www.npmjs.com/package/anything

[midnight sigil]

weekly 8 downloads

well I guess programmers want to have something

[rigid snow]

why are they resolving the whole dependency graph server-side anyways

[sage crag]

is there nothing

[tender river]

?never

[rigid snow]

it cannot exist, you have to have package.json (a.k.a. something)

[rare bramble]

https://www.npmjs.com/package/nothing

[dense cosmos]

CerberPeek

[midnight sigil]

what are these weird repo from 10 years ago

[solid bough]

Damn

[midnight sigil]

Nothing is a javascipt library and a generate tools help you to create 0-dependencies javascript code.

Nothing is not nothing, lies

[rigid snow]

that's a lot of nothing, sus

[tender river]

ok i figured the sat solver bug out now i just have to fix it bwaa
it's this assignVar, i do it immediately but instead i have to delay it for a while bwaaaa

[sage crag]

?never should always be null, hence ?never is equivalent to void

[tender river]

my code that uses ?never now works

[sage crag]

why does it actually use it

[rigid snow]

never is a null type, and null is a "null" type

[sage crag]

null is a value

never is an uninhabited type

[rigid snow]

of type ..?

[sage crag]

?T

[sage crag]

Result(Ok, never).transpose() ??

[tender river]

response message is typed so if i'm constructing an error response i create a response message with value type never

[rigid snow]

lies, null is always of the same type no matter the T

[opaque wharf]

Why does it need delay?

[sage crag]

nyope

[tender river]

its not delay as in time

[midnight sigil]

it's 0x0

[tender river]

its delay as in i have to change operation order

[rare bramble]

tell that to rustc

[opaque wharf]

Ahh

[sage crag]

null is a variant off the tagged union ?T, where the variant represents an unrepresentable state of T

[opaque wharf]

I thought you are doing more cursed stuff lmao

[rigid snow]

does it represent it or is it actually a unrepresentable state of T

[midnight sigil]

you can typecast a null to any types, so null is both nothing and everything

[sage crag]

if it represents an unrepresentable state, and all states of T are representable, then the only way is to use a tag

same deal as a tagged union

if you have spare values in your type repr then null can be any one of those, elsewise chuck a bool in

[rigid snow]

ok you convinced me

you win

[hard raptor]

I am beginning to have doubts that i even have the space for this thing, with the current state of my bedroom, but i will find space for it when it's finished... cuz that's when i get to the second list, where the hdmi cables are on, so that i can find a good spot, and make sure i have cables that are long enough

[sage crag]

?^u8 == ^u8 because 0x0 is an invalid ptr, so null can equal 0x0
?uint == struct { bool, uint }, as uint has no unrepresentable values

[rigid snow]

mount it high up on the wall like they do in some net cafes, lemme find a pic

[sage crag]

?NonZeroUInt would be 0x0 under the same rules

[wise pond]

I have that same tower case.

[rare bramble]

i think Rust does something similar

[wise pond]

I keep mine on a plastic folding table

[sage crag]

it does

[hard raptor]

Yeah, no.. you see.. i live in a group home currently, they won't be happy if i start drilling i to the walls to be able to mount that thing

[sage crag]

Option<T> uses unused states

[rigid snow]

like this

[sage crag]

most languages that have some formal concept of tagged unions do this

locating and using nieches in structs or using unrepresentable values

[hard raptor]

I think i'm probably just shove it into a corner anyways, cuz i don't really have any components with RGB in them

Except for the display on the AIO Cooler

[rigid snow]

i think they do it for airflow not for the rgb

[hard raptor]

Ehhh

Wait hold on i know a spot

[sage crag]

tost

what bread are you made of

[opaque sigil]

If you're just going to shove it into a corner why are you paying so much for an expensive aio

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

Wholegrain

[sage crag]

where did you get the grains from

[opaque sigil]

I manifested them with my will

[sage crag]

concerning

[rigid snow]

holy that windowsill is dirty

[rigid snow]

wipe it

[hard raptor]

Was planning on it

It's mostly wood dust and dried up icetea though

[rigid snow]

[opaque wharf]

I am now curious of chay age

[rigid snow]

255

[sage crag]

stored in 1 byte

unsigned

[hard raptor]

But the curtain in front of that window actually hangs over that white thing, not above, so i rarely see it, so that's why it's still dirty

[opaque wharf]

Why would you store age as signed anyway

[rigid snow]

0b11111111

[sage crag]

tachyons

[rare bramble]

rebirth next birthday

[sage crag]

or if you store age as an offset from unix time

[rigid snow]

child not delivered yet

[opaque wharf]

I don't think tachyons age are negative either

[sage crag]

seems pretty negative to me

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but that's a whole other issue

Why can't we have year 0

[sage crag]

year 0 starts today

[opaque wharf]

Nice

Let's celebrate it

[sage crag]

it is year 0 day 1 starting now

[rigid snow]

setInterval(() => {
  people.forEach(p => p.age += 1)
}, 1)

[sage crag]

yes days are 1 indexed

[opaque wharf]

Someone should make a program that tracks this new calendar system

[sage crag]

programming switch to a new timekeeping system

no more minutes or hours

[rigid snow]

sun flares since 2025-01-01

[sage crag]

binary time

[rough bloom]

I support this idea, purely to confuse new chatters

[sage crag]

what is the optimal division though

[rigid snow]

i took the snowflake id of this message, the epoch is 2025-07-24T15:41:21.447Z or 1753371681447 unix ms, you're welcome

[sage crag]

1 binute = 64 seconds
1 bour = 64 binutes
easy

[opaque wharf]

Becond?

[rigid snow]

6 bits is inconvenient though

[sage crag]

there are 21.09 bours in a day

[sage crag]

this is true

but 255 seconds to a binute is too long

[rigid snow]

make it 16

[opaque wharf]

Then define it as 255 beconds

[sage crag]

beconds may be necessary

[sage crag]

i like this idea, countable on one hand

[tender river]

younger than you

[rare bramble]

ms since unix time, but each bit has a different base, for example:
imagine this is verital instead of horisontal
3 <- base 7
5 <- base 6
4 <- base 5
3 <- base 4
2 <- base 3
1 <- base 2

(equivalent to 354321)
so +1 to this would go to:

4 <- base 7
0 <- base 6
0 <- base 5
0 <- base 4
0 <- base 3
0 <- base 2
(equivalent to 40000)

or something like this

[sage crag]

1 becond = 16 seconds
1 binute = 16 beconds
which works out to a binute being representable in 8 bits

[rigid snow]

waytoodank

[opaque wharf]

Wait, for real?

[rigid snow]

she hasn't been employed yet what do you think

[sage crag]

or at least, the binute overflows when it gets to the end of the 16th becond

[tender river]

kiloseconds

[sage crag]

awa

[opaque wharf]

I think that employment doesn't really correlate with age

[tender river]

awa

[rigid snow]

the older you are the more chances of getting employed you encounter

[sage crag]

16 binutes to a bour, works out to still 21 bours in a day

[opaque wharf]

True, but also I don't know the distribution so I am still blind guessing anyway

[random edge]

question, will anyone care to help me find a good website to learn programing to make a ai and a place to make the ai for a project i am planning

its a personal goal of mine

[sage crag]

bingo

[rare bramble]

bingo!

[rigid snow]

university

[rare bramble]

someone bring out the flowchart

[noble zodiac]

bingo

[opaque wharf]

See? This is why we need Sam

[opaque wharf]

To answer your question, define the AI

Because AI is very broad

Do you want something like neuro, or do you want something to predict something, or what

[noble zodiac]

let me translate that for you. AI = llm, make = use a model

[opaque wharf]

Eh, I'll give the benefit of the doubt for anyone not mentioning Neuro and AI

[rigid snow]

hovering over a message and spamming shift freezes the discord client very badly. underpaid interns writing react code, classic

this actually bothers my adhd ass

i like to spam buttons

[sage crag]

isnt it kinda annoying

1 bec = 16 sec
1 bin = 16 bec
1 br = 16 bin
1 day = 21 br

[tender river]

increase earth rotation speed

[noble zodiac]

1
= 16 bin

[sage crag]

oh

haha

markup

[tender river]

this is also the solution to leap seconds

[rigid snow]

at this point do we really need "days" as a unit

[sage crag]

or make the second 1.318 times longer

[tender river]

switch to meters for time measurement

[rare bramble]

I think I read something about tall building slowing down earths rotation, angular momentum and all that

[rigid snow]

or, you know, define 1 becond as something else

[noble zodiac]

almost as cursed as speeds in dnd which are x ft / 6s

[rigid snow]

why are we sticking to ms at all

[noble zodiac]

to appease microsoft

[rigid snow]

microsoft = milliseconds

[opaque wharf]

Buy another keebs for fidget

[sage crag]

1 sibisecond = 1.318 seconds
1 becond = 16 sibiseconds

[opaque wharf]

TRUE!

Days are arbitrary anyway

[sage crag]

so are all units of time

its convenient to be able to measure 1 rotation of the earth in simple units

[rigid snow]

no i changed my mind we have to stick to days for human comprehension compat

[opaque wharf]

Seconds are well defined no?

[sage crag]

"The duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium-133 atom."

its an arbitrary number

[rigid snow]

because days are arguably not arbitrary, they roughly represent earth rotation (sun rising and setting)

[opaque wharf]

See? Defined

[sage crag]

i could just define sibiseconds as 1.318 times more periods of radiation

its arbitrary

[rigid snow]

so we are sticking to days right

[opaque wharf]

Too much tied to the position of where on earth you are

[sage crag]

1 full cycle of the earth takes the same amount of time wherever you are

[rigid snow]

i meant they roughly represent 1 cycle of sun rising and setting

[noble zodiac]

To be fair the current definition was choosen because it aproximates the value derived by the earths rotation

[sage crag]

the length of sunlight during that is variable

[noble zodiac]

so its not really that arbitrary

[rigid snow]

days are crucial for "human comprehension compat"!!!

[opaque wharf]

Yes, hence the variable sunrise and sunset

[sage crag]

arbitrarily days are kind of their own unit though

"in 3 days" just means "after the sun has set and risen 2 times, on the third rise"

[tender river]

look to my coming on the first light of the fifth day

[sage crag]

do people at high latitudes even bother with days

[tender river]

they probably keep their rhythms since they have work and stuff

[sage crag]

societal day

[rigid snow]

we have a separate word in russian that means exactly 24 hours and is used very commonly as a replacement for "day" in scenarios when the additional punctuality matters. english should clearly do the same thing

[sage crag]

we do have a word for it its called

"24 hours"

[rigid snow]

that's three words

[sage crag]

no, 24 is a number

[rigid snow]

twenty-four hours

[tender river]

my code is so broken

i just want to finish the sat solver please have mercy on my soul

awa

[tender river]

destroy the sun

now days dont have to be tied to it

[rigid snow]

whatever. i propose the following:

1 becond = ?
1 binute = 16 beconds
1 bour = 16 binutes
1 day (24 hours) = 16 bours

i'm too lazy to derive 1 becond

[tender river]

[tender river]

21 seconds

[rigid snow]

exactly?

[tender river]

no

that would be too easy

[rigid snow]

that would've been crazy ngl

[sage crag]

i have already proposed this

awa

[rigid snow]

no you had 21 bours as 1 day right

[sage crag]

i set 1 becond as 16 sibiseconds, and 1 sibisecond as ~1.318 seconds

[sage crag]

nyope

backread

[rigid snow]

great

what should we call this standard

[sage crag]

bad

[rigid snow]

or do we go further with bonths

and bears

[sage crag]

1 bear has to correspond to 1 year in total time

[rigid snow]

that can't work though

[sage crag]

not if you only use 16

you can probably get a close approximation with other powers of 2

[rigid snow]

that would be confusing

[tender river]

30 * 1024 * 1024 seconds is around a year (364 days and a bit)

[sage crag]

sounds like we will be having a lot of leap bears

30 isnt great though

[tender river]

is increasing earth rotation speed still on the table

[tender river]

with 32 it becomes 388

[sage crag]

yikes

[rigid snow]

i don't think anyone here has the power to

[tender river]

slightly reducing seconds is probably easier than slowing earth down by that much

[sage crag]

if we all band together

13 bonths of 28 days

[tender river]

exactly 364 days

[opaque wharf]

Sometimes I wonder, wtf did we all do here

[sage crag]

11 bonths of 32 days

and then have a really long leap year

[tender river]

personally i'm having a meltdown over being sleepy and my code not working

[sage crag]

[tender river]

add an extra month to the leap year

ohhh one bug down hopefully

[sage crag]

call it sad month

[opaque wharf]

Does the observable phase of the moon depend on your location on earth?

As in, is it variable length like a day is? No right?

[sage crag]

one hemisphere of area can see the moon at once, and from one side of the hemisphere to the other is a 180 degree rotation of the phase of the moon

[opaque wharf]

Yeah but, at any point on earth, the duration from 1 full moon phase to the next does not change?

[sage crag]

as in, you see two different faces on opposite sides of the hemisphere

[opaque wharf]

I just realized that it is just a hijri Calendar lmao

[tender river]

i made it slower

[sage crag]

the moons orbit isnt circular

[opaque wharf]

Slow and works is better than fast and does not work

[sage crag]

wrong

return 0

[tender river]

no it was slow and worked and now its slower and works

but it has the potential

to be even slower

[opaque wharf]

Chay, any ideas for food?

[tender river]

no

[opaque wharf]

What about konii?

[tender river]

[rigid snow]

if i didn't make a mistake anywhere (i think i didn't) 1 sibisecond should be 1318359375 ns exactly

huge

[opaque wharf]

Also, mlnt, any ideas for what food to eat?

[rigid snow]

bread

[opaque wharf]

Crouton it is

[rigid snow]

also shouldn't we use xecond xinute xour etc. because it's hexadecimal

that would make more sense

[opaque wharf]

Nah, keep the name beconds, binutes, bours. Because I like bears

[desert plaza]

aight, what did i miss

wtf are beconds

[tender river]

xmonad

[opaque wharf]

1/16 of a binute

[rare bramble]

beconds are beconds

[desert plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/of-course-jim-carrey-funny-gif-12918652202164233594

binute

let's switch to the betric system

[opaque wharf]

That is indeed the plan

We just need someone to be the timekeeper/write a program to do it

[opaque wharf]

This is the epoch

[desert plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-i-see-think-thinking-pondering-gif-4994872

[sage crag]

i believe not sleeping may have given me brain damage

everything tastes different

[desert plaza]

the bregorian calendar

[desert plaza]

and the betric system

[tender river]

i have not slept for 20 hours but i think the brain damage is from haskell not lack of sleep

or maybe both

[sage crag]

bad

sleepge

[desert plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[tender river]

i will

later

[sage crag]

now

[tender river]

ok

good night

[sage crag]

[desert plaza]

[opaque wharf]

It could also be the side effect of not touching grass for a while

[tender river]

or of touching it

[opaque wharf]

Sleep you haskell dev

[tender river]

tspin

[opaque wharf]

Funny, I too just dealt with stspin

Man, I am jealous of place with no mosquitto

[sick owl]

https://huggingface.co/mistralai/Magistral-Small-2507

[nocturne olive]

Whar is that?

[random edge]

an ai to act like a therapist

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

you got it

[noble zodiac]

I would say thats crazy but its really not

that I guessed correct, not the idea

[sage crag]

it can be crazy even if its obvious

[sick owl]

New update to Mistral's 24B reasoning model

[nocturne olive]

Silly
I guess I could run that if I wanted

[prime ridge]

I miss it when AI meant ensemble statistical models like XGBoost

[uneven pulsar]

top 3 things you didn't need / actually needed for interviews go

[sage crag]

quack

[prime ridge]

Need

• connections
• connections
• connections

Don't need

• LeetCode
• LeetCode
• LeetCode

[sage crag]

need:

1. interview
2. oxygen
3. water

dont need:

1. square
2. benzene ring
3. meißßner effect

[uneven pulsar]

so where do i rent connections

[nocturne olive]

But what would I need it for anyway? I barely ever need an LLM and when I do free ChatGPT is good enough for functioning as a "better Google" or pattern completion

[prime ridge]

Hackathons. I met a guy who got me an international leadership role somewhere.

[prime ridge]

Seems pretty closed minded eh?

[nocturne olive]

I just don't really have many things where an LLM would be useful, and when I need one so far I've just used free ChatGPT or llama 8B (though now I could run much larger models with my 3090)

[prime ridge]

Admittably, a lot of workflows need changing for them to be useful out of the box. It takes a lot of work putting them into things to automate certain things

AI isn't developed for consumers anyways

consumers meaning average day people in this context

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[uneven pulsar]

i'm curious how the generation that goes through high school and uni using chatgpt for homework will live without it once the bubble pops and it's not affordable to subscribe to post-investor-bubble pricing

[nocturne olive]

I just use LLMs as fancy search engines or to complete files from samples, like when I had to mess with the NeuroSynth dictionary files

[glass flower]

i use qwen 2.5 coder as my autocomplete in vscode. pretty useful for that

[prime ridge]

People say the same thing every time. "You won't always have a calculator", "You won't always have spell check", "You won't always have google", "You won't always have AI". People should really realize the pattern by now

AI isn't going anywhere 😂

[nocturne olive]

I use the IDE method suggestions

[prime ridge]

We will always have it and can use it for automation

[glass flower]

i'll wait until the AI bubble pops and the actual good usecases are being developed