programming

[opaque wharf]

Sam, for once something that is cursed coming not from you

[olive sable]

there are a lot of cursed things here

i only do about half

[solid bough]

That is pretty much the chain of going from that mesh device to my PC

[hard raptor]

Sam is belgian (it seems) which is the definition of cursed

[solid bough]

Yes I did and since then everything went haywire with my internet

[olive sable]

fuck you

[hard raptor]

Too many updates at a time 🤣

[olive sable]

are you running your pc on wifi?

[solid bough]

It was not even with the PC. I guess it was probably just something with the repeater.

The timing was just not great

[opaque wharf]

Alright, so the internet is coming through the repeater, onto the switch, and then to the PC?

[solid bough]

Yup

[hard raptor]

Wtf happened to the 2nd from the right ethernet cable

[solid bough]

And another PC

[solid bough]

It’s nothing

[opaque wharf]

Hmm, the network issue is most likely software induced then

[solid bough]

It finally works now

[hard raptor]

That doesn't seem like nothing

[hoary lion]

i should have finished data processing before doing anything

[hard raptor]

I suggest at least putting some electrical tape on it to keep it from getting worse

[solid bough]

It's nothing

And I'm back now

[opaque wharf]

What do we have here now

[solid bough]

I think it was just bad timing with the restart

Because I think that my Mesh Repeater just had a seizure.

PS: I welcome that I get corrected

[hard raptor]

All i see is fire hazards lol

[solid bough]

You should have seen how I power my whole room

except Celing light

That is small fry the Ethernet stuff

[opaque wharf]

Nah, ethernet is fine

[solid bough]

It is not even that it sends power

it's just data

[opaque wharf]

You will experience data loss tho if the cable somehow get anymore mangled

[solid bough]

That is why I have 2 on one PC

[hard raptor]

I mean.. the actual data wires seem intact, but the big white casing is loose, and those small wires break easily

Not to mention whatever this is

[solid bough]

I wouldn't be sad to loose that Ethernet cable

[solid bough]

My... PC

[hard raptor]

So i just noticed the lighter

[opaque wharf]

The battery and lighter I agree is a fire hazard tho lmao

[hard raptor]

But nothing is shielded against dust too

[opaque wharf]

But ye, that is nothing to do with the tech itself

[hard raptor]

It seems really open

[solid bough]

Wanna know why my PC is open?

[hard raptor]

Also it looks pretty dusty

[opaque wharf]

Open air case is a thing too. But sure it doesn't seems like it was intended to be one

[hard raptor]

No i should rephrase

If you gonna keep it open and not dust shielded

At least buy a vacuum cleaner

[solid bough]

I'm just gonna say it: I have the case open because my AIO is gonna get a friggin choking kink because it can't breathe

Or not as well

[hard raptor]

I can only imagine when there is just one spark...

On the wrong place

[solid bough]

of the batteries?

They are not getting shorted

[hard raptor]

No of the static charge of the components of the pc

[solid bough]

Idk why that would be something that can happen on that configuration

[hard raptor]

The motherboard usually likes to hoard dust... you know what a motherboard also has?

Capacitors

[solid bough]

Especially with my over 60% Humidity

[solid bough]

Yup

[hard raptor]

Which hold energy by keeping a static charge

[solid bough]

But inside not outside

[hard raptor]

There just needs to be one particle that is electrically conductive.. and the charge goes from inside to outside real fast

Look what i am trying to say.. is you should really just make sure you keep it clean

[opaque wharf]

Eh, I don't think it's going to be that bad honestly

[solid bough]

I just recently dusted at least the AIO and what I was able to within the time of my mom complaining

[opaque wharf]

Modern electronic doesn't really get exposed to dust directly. Even the PCB

[solid bough]

I have literally no filter at the front...

[hard raptor]

I am just really over thinking about the potential risks and the aftermath

[opaque wharf]

You are indeed overthinking it

[solid bough]

Worst case I can just go to a PC that has a Intel Xeon E5-1650 V3

[hard raptor]

Mostly scared for the life of a stranger lmao

[solid bough]

Wait you are scared of me?

[hard raptor]

No.. FOR you

[solid bough]

Oooh, my bad. I interpreted it wrong

[opaque wharf]

Even when the component is bogged with dust fairies, it won't combust that big

[hard raptor]

As in.. i wanna make sure i give you the right advice so that your house doesn't burn down

[opaque wharf]

If it combust at all

[solid bough]

How is the PC gonna catch on fire?

[hard raptor]

Just.. nvm.. it's none of my business anyways

[solid bough]

It's okay. I understand that you are concerned about dust, But I'm way past that how my Case is rn

[hard raptor]

Also still can't get over the ethernet cable tbh

[solid bough]

True, it is a bit mangled, But that is small fry if you know how I power my WHOLE room

no joke

An electrician would have a stroke

[uneven pulsar]

Wut are y'all chatting about

[hard raptor]

No not about the potential fir hazard cuz i don't think that cable even does poe

[solid bough]

nothing...

[hard raptor]

But the wires are exposed

And cam break easily

[solid bough]

Yeah, But I don't really plan to move them, so it should be alright

for now

... right?

[hard raptor]

Just be sure to cover with tape when you move them

[solid bough]

Okay, My whole room goes to one plug. (Except ceiling light)

One Wall socket

[nocturne olive]

How silly

[solid bough]

I know that I never went above the limit ngl

[nocturne olive]

At least I'm using two: one for the computer stuff and the other for a lamp, laptop and phone

[solid bough]

I don't go over 1kW usually

[opaque wharf]

I usually estimate that 2.5mm^2 is being used for in-wall wiring. That has an ampacity of about 20A. Assuming 220V, that's just around 4000W

[nocturne olive]

My PC does sometimes use a lot of power, if I use my 3090 in its entirety and also game on the rest of my PC

[solid bough]

Above 600W?

[opaque wharf]

But the wire to the socket sometimes goes down to 1.5mm^2

Which has an ampacity of about 15A

So around 2000W

[nocturne olive]

My PSU is 1000W, but the individual major component consumptions are 285W for the 4070Ti, 190W for the 12700K and 370W for the 3090

[hard raptor]

I have all my media stuff and computers on 2 sockets on 1 outlet thingy, which still counts as 1.. but the most power hungy is probably my audio amp and subwoofer

Soon will change with the pc i am building

[solid bough]

So in total like 845W?

[nocturne olive]

I guess theoretically

[solid bough]

I was just doing rough math ngl

[hard raptor]

I believe my amp and sub combined consume like 400W total if i max everything out

Which i never do

I usually run everything in my sound system at 50% max

[solid bough]

Well, my PC while running the Render clients can use like 600W from the wall

Yes, the plural of Client, I run Multiple Clients

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[solid bough]

Idk if I can tell what one was meant due to rule "Don't advertise"

[hard raptor]

Imagine getting hired by people, only to use your clients to run faster

[nocturne olive]

Very silly

[solid bough]

lmao, I didn't get hired for that, If I were hired for that, I wouldn't work at OBI then

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile I just use my computer to create cool stuff such as NeuroSynth

[solid bough]

Respect by the way

[nocturne olive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1HNHqSdGW4
Peak NeuroSynth appearance

[hard raptor]

I also use for cool stuffs... i wanna make a virtual club/festival venue like tomorrowland did during covid

[solid bough]

Wait, was that the voice of neuro or evil?

[hard raptor]

Though i want it to work virtually and not just put a dj in a greenscreen and cgi my way through the process

[nocturne olive]

Custom Neuro vocal synthesizer

[solid bough]

oh my, I don't know why my PC is lagging a bit, What could it be?

[solid bough]

It's good though

[nocturne olive]

It's really impressive for what the data is, this is still the BETA dataset

[solid bough]

Wait, the data was not just voice but also some bg stuff?

[hard raptor]

Complete with integration with lighting control software and hardware too actually

[nocturne olive]

No, it's synthetic data

Not yet transcribed from actual Neuro karaoke

[solid bough]

Damn

[trim valve]

lighting is cool

[nocturne olive]

Our dataset is generated with our older tools

[trim valve]

never had a real chance to do it irl yet sadly

[solid bough]

Yeah, if done well, it can be a really cool thing

[nocturne olive]

The plan is to transition to using real Neuro data later, hopefully before the next Neuro game jam

[solid bough]

That sounds like something that can be entertaining

[hard raptor]

In the netherlands you can sometimes just walk into venues and just volunteer to be their lighting technician, and sometimes if you do a great job, they will even want to hire you

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth is designed to be a replacement for the old SynthV + RVC chain, because that thing costs money

[solid bough]

Oh

Well, I pay for my server that I use 🤔

[trim valve]

should've just asked at the ado concert I went to

[solid bough]

Okay, that went hardware real fast

[hard raptor]

Imagine paying for servers instead of having it on site

[solid bough]

I tried SH and I can't do it because it eventually get's found.

[opaque wharf]

Man, just on the server next door someone is also watching the ado concert

[trim valve]

it was v. good

[olive sable]

you went to an ado concert?

[trim valve]

mhm

[hard raptor]

I am just waiting rn for friday and actually the whole weekend

[olive sable]

my friends went to one about a year ago, but i had something planned already

[trim valve]

cursed trip where I spent ~34h awake with 2h of sleep loosely slipped in

I do not suggest that

[opaque wharf]

It is friday here

[solid bough]

Or what do you mean?

[hard raptor]

Wierd.. cuz it's Wednesday here

[opaque wharf]

3 AM Friday, but still

[olive sable]

thursday??????

[opaque wharf]

Oh shit

[olive sable]

its thursday

[opaque wharf]

OH NO

[hard raptor]

I have heard about a 1 day difference.. not about a 2 day difference

[solid bough]

That's wild, I wait for a package that comes at this Thursday

[nocturne olive]

We're hoping once NeuroSynth is done we can basically say "Neuro vocal synthesis is solved"
There's also the fact SynthV 2 won't run on Linux at all

[opaque wharf]

I misread the calendar

[solid bough]

Should I re-try to port an old AI codebase to Python 3?

[olive sable]

we have the bluray of the 1st ado concert, we're gonna watch it soon-ish

[solid bough]

Wait, wrong topic

[hard raptor]

Nahh friday starts weekend 2 of tomorrowland.. gonna put on them livestreams again

And just vibe and rave

[opaque wharf]

I should be sleeping now

[solid bough]

Oh

Well, I don't really test my code on Linux too Superbox

[olive sable]

you're at tomorrowland? welcome to belgium ig

[hard raptor]

No i am not

Imma put on the livestreams

[trim valve]

if you ever get the chance to see a concert in person I highly reccomend it

[olive sable]

thank god

[hard raptor]

But i am gonna go to AMF later this year

[hard raptor]

Why? Just because i made that 1 joke?

[trim valve]

I was actually in Belgium for a whole 2h30m last week

[nocturne olive]

We already solved Neuro RVC with our old tech, so next we're solving Neuro singing via vocal synthesis
There isn't really any competition anyway, everyone else's Neuro RVC models really suck

[olive sable]

no, i just wouldnt wish going to tomorrowland to my worst enemy

at least the beer is good

[hard raptor]

Why? What is wrong with it?

[solid bough]

Just curious: What GPU do you have?

[hard raptor]

I almost went last year, but my mom was like a minute too late with getting our tickets

[olive sable]

3090

[nocturne olive]

4070Ti and 3090

[solid bough]

Respect
-# because of the power plug

[olive sable]

?

[opaque wharf]

Should I cram in 3hr of sleep or should I just do eff it we ball?

[olive sable]

its one with 8 pins

[hard raptor]

So we went to ADE instead

[solid bough]

Damn, I'm kinda jealous with my

[solid bough]

YOOOO, fr?

[olive sable]

most of them are 8 pin

[nocturne olive]

SMOL

[solid bough]

Until 40 generation I guess

[olive sable]

ye

[solid bough]

Ooooh wait, I think I got the wrong GPU...

[nocturne olive]

3090 Ti is the first card with the 12VHPWR connector, and there it was still used properly, 40 series dropped the power balancing

[hard raptor]

Wait hold on! You set the fire, didn't you? /j

[solid bough]

Well, I got that GPU:

[solid bough]

Oh

[olive sable]

i just cant stand up for 4 days straight without sleep

i need a chair

[solid bough]

Wait, wait... oh no, NOT AGAIN

[nocturne olive]

That's even worse by the way, integrated graphics usually lose to dedicated

[solid bough]

I chose the wrong GPU AGAIN

[hard raptor]

They do have sleeping places

[nocturne olive]

WayTooSilly

[solid bough]

There, I have THAT GPU:
-# and finally the right one

[nocturne olive]

VRAM SMOL

[solid bough]

Yeah

[hard raptor]

Besides between 23 and 12 they don't really do anything, if i have to believe the timetable

[solid bough]

Should I mod the GPU to have more VRAM? 🤔

[nocturne olive]

Still, beats a 5060Ti I believe

[solid bough]

fiaosdgf WHAT?

[nocturne olive]

Yeah, 50 series sucks

[solid bough]

ARE YOU FR?

lmao

oh my god

[nocturne olive]

50 series is basically the same as 40 series

And on 40 series 4060 Ti loses to a 3070

[solid bough]

:O

Well, my GPU Vacuums the power out of my PSU

[olive sable]

probably not worth doing it manually cuz the timings are a bit hard. if you have the equipment for it then sure

[nocturne olive]

All GPUs do that except very bad ones

[solid bough]

I don't...

[solid bough]

I mean to like 300W

[hard raptor]

Then please don't try to play god with an expensive component like that

[olive sable]

thats prett normal i think

300w

[nocturne olive]

That seems a bit high, the 3090 I have is 370W

[solid bough]

Well, I achieved to like 314W on that GPU with a program that makes multiple images to a 3D model

[olive sable]

some of the 30 series are known to go a bit out of bounds on powerdraw

[solid bough]

also:

[hard raptor]

(And the 40 and 50 series for melting cables)

[solid bough]

While I run the render client on that GPU, it doesn't really go over 210W if I'm right

[nocturne olive]

My 4070Ti has been fine

[olive sable]

my 3090 does max 356W without oc, but im woried about my 750W psu giving out if i oc

[nocturne olive]

My 1000W PSU seems fine for my dual GPU setup

[hard raptor]

That's probably cuz you plugged it in correctly

[sage crag]

bwawa

[solid bough]

Phew

[solid bough]

Hi

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[olive sable]

it idles at 130W too which is a bit annoying. like nvidea why u using that much power when my gpu aint doing shit?

[opaque wharf]

Speaking of which, I wonder how viable it is to do a whole room photogrammetry from 4 cctv

[nocturne olive]

Windows issue

[hard raptor]

No like the 4090 and the 50 series are known for melting the cables if they aren't pushed in all the way through properly

[nocturne olive]

Mine is under 30W at idle

[solid bough]

Should I get the a 50 generation GPU? (Most likely a 5070 Ti or non Ti)

[nocturne olive]

Now you see how much Windows sucks

[nocturne olive]

Not really, it's a scam

[hard raptor]

Macrohard company just sucks

[nocturne olive]

You're better off with a used 3090

[solid bough]

What then?

[olive sable]

prob somme driver issue ig, but both nvidia's software and msi afterburner say 130W

[opaque sigil]

that's crazy, mine uses like 30W max

[solid bough]

Huh:

[nocturne olive]

Used 3090 is a good option, great VRAM on there, or you can go AMD or Intel

[opaque sigil]

okay i lied it's 60 while playing twitch

30 was the 2080

[solid bough]

Well, MeshroomCL should run on AMD and Intel Cards...

[olive sable]

i have a yt tab open but its paused, 130 shoudlnt be happenign

[solid bough]

But not the render client.

[solid bough]

Oooh, that is normal

[nocturne olive]

Yeah, that's a bit high
This is my GPUs while I'm running Twitch

[opaque wharf]

Awww, yiss. Finally something cursed again

[solid bough]

Software?

[olive sable]

my energy bill

[nocturne olive]

Switch to Linux for more efficient GPU power draw

[opaque wharf]

Most likely yeah

[solid bough]

lmao, My family would save so much money if I would stop using the PC

[olive sable]

stop advertising linux to me, i AM plannign on going to linux

I AM GONNA DO IT

[opaque wharf]

Driver and software config can really affect hw

[solid bough]

Can I please stay on Windows?

[nocturne olive]

No

[opaque sigil]

no (typed on windows)

[nocturne olive]

Windows sucks

[sage crag]

dont use linux, switch to openbsd

[solid bough]

I honestly don't want to use Linux...

[nocturne olive]

[opaque wharf]

Sleep, you TV

[nocturne olive]

Have fun with the most broken OS in the universe then

[sage crag]

ITS 9PM

[solid bough]

It is in my opinion at least better than MacOS

[solid bough]

it is 22:13 at my end.

[opaque wharf]

Why? Is the sun still up?

[desert plaza]

openbased

[sage crag]

yes

[olive sable]

What is that?

[opaque wharf]

Dang, can't relate then

[nocturne olive]

MacOS is just locked down
At least it somewhat functions on the hardware it's meant to

[sage crag]

its bsd and its open

[olive sable]

what is that?

[solid bough]

True, I just don't wanna change to a different OS as long I have no issues

[opaque wharf]

Berkeley something something

Software Distribution

[nocturne olive]

Either way, we won't be testing NeuroSynth on Windows, so it'll be on you if it breaks on Windows somehow

[sage crag]

bsd users are to linux users what linux users are to windows users

[olive sable]

that does not help

[nocturne olive]

Though the software behind it is for all platforms, so it should be fine

[opaque wharf]

Another kind of OS

[sage crag]

dont ever complain about missing software on various bsds

[opaque sigil]

you can treat bsd like a more free linux

which is why apple uses it as their base

[olive sable]

i dont mean the literal meaning of the name, what does bsd do??????

WHAT IS IT?????

[opaque wharf]

OS

[opaque sigil]

it's another unix operation system

[olive sable]

what makes itr bettrer?????????

[sage crag]

lots of people treat it as linux without gnu's grubby little fingers

[solid bough]

Anyways, I was now Finally able to do line 3

[opaque wharf]

For networking heavy stuff usually it is better

[nocturne olive]

I have no clue what BSD is, but NeuroSynth does not target it at all, so you won't likely get it on there

[opaque wharf]

For desktop use, not much for now

[sage crag]

its just an alternative

[olive sable]

then why should i care?

[sage crag]

modern desktop bsd is like, just kde plasma

[opaque wharf]

Oh, Plasma can run on BSD?

[sage crag]

yup

openbsd at least

[opaque wharf]

Their logo is evil

[opaque sigil]

bsd also manages everything in one place as opposed to linux where you have the kernel and then the userspace programs that actually provide 90% of the functionality you need

[olive sable]

as a game developer, give me one reason why i should use bsd instead of linux distro xyz

[opaque sigil]

you don't

[sage crag]

uhh no reason

[opaque wharf]

So you can brag about it

[solid bough]

POV: I enable the RTX Video enhancer

[olive sable]

i forgot that was a thing

[opaque sigil]

yeah it does do that

[solid bough]

The power usage went up

[opaque wharf]

"I developed this game engine in OpenBSD"

[olive sable]

as a game dev if anyone uses ai upscaling on my game they should get a refund and lose the right to play

[solid bough]

Well, my PC is officially now a Space Heater

[sage crag]

godot runs on bsd

[opaque wharf]

I love standard when it works

[nocturne olive]

Well, I don't think you're building in DLSS or FG support anyway

[olive sable]

yep

[opaque sigil]

i'd do that rn and send a screenshot but i'm lazy

[olive sable]

fuck "deep learning super sampling"

super sampling my ass

[solid bough]

Sure, How?

[olive sable]

you're a fake and a fraud

[opaque wharf]

Oh it is sampling alright

[olive sable]

the gpu, you gotta do it

[solid bough]

I have ONE game where I activated that and went: EAUGH, I turn it off!!!

[solid bough]

Oh no...
-# Should I turn off the ping feature on the messages?

[solid bough]

COD MW

[olive sable]

what if we jsut made games good, and we dont need ai upscaling

[solid bough]

Yeah

AI has it's upsides, but Games don't need that

[olive sable]

it doesnt matter if the textures are 8K if the ai is just gonna smear it anyways. use 1080p textures so we dont need ai

i have spoken

[nocturne olive]

Yeah, save AI upscaling for really weak GPUs to keep up with faster ones, not for fast GPUs to require it to run the games smoothly

[olive sable]

ai upscaling should be for the 3060ti's and stuff

[solid bough]

Yes, that is what we needed to hear

[nocturne olive]

Except on 5060 it actually makes it slower

[olive sable]

altho if your game cant run on a 3060ti at 60fps you should jsut stop making games ngl

[solid bough]

btw, is that a weird Resolution?

[nocturne olive]

Because VRAM

[nocturne olive]

So true

Nobody is gonna play a game that needs a 5090 to run at 30 FPS

[solid bough]

Because I feel like I need more screens...

[olive sable]

most os have this nifty feature where you can have multiple windows per screen

[warped narwhal]

I think a weird resolution is the least of the problems in this image

[olive sable]

[solid bough]

uh... I... uh aheh

I can't explain

I swear

I can't

[sage crag]

i was wondering where you got the guild tag from

[solid bough]

Aeuh

[sage crag]

[solid bough]

Y'all saw nothing

[opaque wharf]

Now you know

[olive sable]

mods twist his balls

[sage crag]

wait dont

[opaque wharf]

What if he is into that

[solid bough]

-# F- Why did I not minimize Discord

It's not like how Y'all think

[olive sable]

why are you defending him????

[opaque wharf]

Alright folks, we saw nothing here at #programming

[sage crag]

nyope

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-to-see-here-explosion-explode-bomb-fire-gif-4923610

[solid bough]

Well, I would deserve that...

[olive sable]

this turned into a shitshow real fast

[patent walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-i-saw-what-you-deleted-so-i-saw-cat-cat-meme-gif-12861224051805765093

[olive sable]

and my gpu is still using 130W

[opaque wharf]

I am glad I chose to go eff it we ball

[sage crag]

vani new chisato again

why is the art always so good

[solid bough]

Why?

[sage crag]

[patent walrus]

hey ive had this chisato for a while!

[sage crag]

whaha i didnt see it yesterday

[olive sable]

idk,, it jsut idles at 130W

[solid bough]

Please... I can't explain

[sage crag]

maybe discord cached it

hang on a minute

[olive sable]

i would start by going to church or smthn, find jesus or whatever the hell will cleanse you

you need it

[opaque wharf]

To be fair, cache invalidation is hard

[solid bough]

Is that code cursed?

[solid bough]

What?

[olive sable]

yes

you're nesting if's for no reason

[solid bough]

That is just a small part of my code...

[sage crag]

it reminds me of pizzahut chisato

[solid bough]

SamVanMaele.cpp, That is I think the least cursed part

[olive sable]

instead of

if x:
  if y:
    //code

do

if x and y:
  //code

[olive sable]

you have to start somewhere

[patent walrus]

i was not aware of this before...... i am happier knowing that design exists

[solid bough]

btw:

That is the code responsible for the GUI

[solid bough]

True ngl, But my code was never really clean...

[olive sable]

then clean it up!

[sage crag]

i really dont know how lycoreco had a collab with pizza hut of all things

[warped narwhal]

I'd say so, yes

[sage crag]

how does that happen

[olive sable]

you need to cleanse both your mind, body, spirit and your goddamned code

[solid bough]

For instance, That was my first version:

[olive sable]

WHAT

[solid bough]

It is just literally A monolythic file

[warped narwhal]

omfg

[opaque wharf]

You one to talk

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/steamed-hams-aurora-borealis-what-is-happening-fagetti-wtf-gif-16514726

[olive sable]

hey my code is pretty good these days

[rigid snow]

wtf did they do to deepseek, why does v3 (!!!) start reasoning in a code block

[sage crag]

this is js library level code

[desert plaza]

bro wtf

[sage crag]

reason in code block means you are thinking about code

:mhm:

[rigid snow]

like

ok? thanks?

[sage crag]

the protip is to get an intern

awawa

[solid bough]

Like that was my last monolythic file with a small portion outside of it:

brb

[opaque sigil]

i still wonder why more languages don't make use of llvm's arbitrary integer width

[olive sable]

what in the fuck are you doing???

[sage crag]

because its cursed

[opaque sigil]

it's also super convenient

[sage crag]

i flinch every time i see non-log2int int width

[opaque wharf]

Wdym convenient?

[sage crag]

you dont want u37?

[opaque wharf]

I do not, thank you very much

[sage crag]

bad take

[desert plaza]

u69

[sage crag]

u7 is a great type

[rigid snow]

my friend who's good at chess (1700 ish elo) told me it's a solved game when i explained what a solved game is (very reliable source of info); so in theory this is possible if we disregard the size of our universe

[opaque sigil]

turing machine go brr

[opaque wharf]

If I want a varint, I'd throw gRPC or Capnproto or smth

I do not want to deal with it myself

[opaque sigil]

it's mainly for packed structs with very specific sizes

[sage crag]

its not a solved game, we dont even know if every game of chess halts

[rigid snow]

(very reliable source of info)
mhm

[opaque sigil]

awwh i had a really lazy parser lying around somewhere that just casts shit left and right but looks like i deleted it

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I can see that. But I don't want to think about how to deal with it

[opaque sigil]

was fun

[opaque wharf]

So it is right where it belonged

[sage crag]

when will you ever use packed structs of sizes not aligned to a byte in reality

that sounds so cursed

dont say embedded, embedded isnt real

[opaque wharf]

Constrained space. Like REALLY constrained. Where every bit mattered

[opaque sigil]

iirc that specific parser was for an android boot image file

[solid bough]

Yes, That is one of the reasons I split up my code to "modules"

[olive sable]

i even aling shit to 4 bytes

[sage crag]

thats because u work with 32 bit datatypes

if u didnt your access times would be dirt

[opaque wharf]

He did not say the byte was 8 bit

[solid bough]

Idk, I just added to the code and then realized: Damn, It's getting Big

[olive sable]

but a byte is be definition 8 bit???

[solid bough]

PS: Should I make a version of my current code that is in one file only?

[sage crag]

that is what a byte is by definition

[opaque sigil]

oh my sweet summer child

[opaque wharf]

More like convention

[olive sable]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

make your files good

[sage crag]

7 bit byte is not a byte

its 7 bits

[olive sable]

hello, i am not your child

[unreal field]

It's a signed byte

7 bits and a signature bit

[desert plaza]

lol is a word 2 bytes or 4 bytes

[opaque sigil]

one of the projects i've had the (dis)pleasure of helping out with had 16 bit bytes

[opaque wharf]

Ahhh, kindered spirit

[olive sable]

isnt that fraud?

you cant call it a byte then

[sage crag]

its 8 bits, its 1 byte, but 1 bit is a sign bit

[sage crag]

its often convention to call a byte as the smallest word representable on a system

[olive sable]

i dont like that

[sage crag]

so if smallest word on the system is 16 bits, the "byte" is 16 bits

[unreal field]

So only 7 bits are used for the number and 1 bit is used to determine if it's positive or negative?

[opaque sigil]

yes

[olive sable]

why cant we just have a definition mean one thing

why cant people just make life easy?

[sage crag]

thats not typically how signed numbers work, but it is a way of doing signed numbers

[opaque sigil]

because the world is messy you just don't have to deal with that

[opaque wharf]

I thought 8-bit byte a convention thing is common knowledge ngl

[olive sable]

this is exactly why i do things the way i like, cuz there are psychos out there claiming 16 bits are a byte

they should be locked up smh

[sage crag]

its more of a difference in terminology than anything else

[opaque sigil]

iirc the only thing standardised is that a byte should be a power of 2 or something

[opaque wharf]

Not even that I think

[desert plaza]

it should all be a power of 2

right

?

[olive sable]

powers of 2 is the bare minimum

[sage crag]

its also why we use explicit int widths and not just "byte"

[opaque wharf]

Well, yeah, different terminology is why we call it convention rather than definition

[sage crag]

trinary system incoming

[olive sable]

in a perfect world we wouldnt have to

[sage crag]

in a perfect world the term byte would be well defined or not exist

[rigid snow]

brother

MAYBE I need packed structs with sizes not aligned to a byte rn

[opaque wharf]

Luckily, I have not encountered such system in the wild

[sage crag]

have you looked at trinary logical ops

so cursed

[solid bough]

How?

[sage crag]

maybe you need to stop using deepseek, surely theres a better way

[solid bough]

I need to be sure that if a import went wrong that it works

[opaque wharf]

I have not, and did not want to see it

[solid bough]

or at least runs

[rigid snow]

i do not want to pack them myself that's too tedious. do i just go to claude or some shit

[sage crag]

to be fair i did use 7 bit ints in the lily hashmap implementation

[olive sable]

use actual conversion instead of saying "00000001" = "b"
liek what are you even doing?? we have systems for that?

[sage crag]

what are you doing that requires this level of depravity

[sage crag]

ascii where

[solid bough]

The first version?

[opaque wharf]

Cursed hour in #programming

My favorite time

[olive sable]

i dont have your source code so i cant really tell what is current versiona nd what is nbew. the later pictures were too low res to see shit

[rigid snow]

it really doesn't i just want an llm spit it out just because. it'll take me 10 minutes maybe

[sage crag]

entry table contains struct { status: u1, hash: u7 }

but since hblang doesnt have such types, its just u8

[solid bough]

That is my current version:

Oh wait, wrong file on the left:

[olive sable]

have you heard of for loops?

[opaque wharf]

So bitfield

[sage crag]

this is also cursed

[sage crag]

yeh for my swisstables

[solid bough]

I have heard of them, But Why?

[opaque wharf]

Hblang doesn't have bitfield

[sage crag]

just write it yourself

[desert plaza]

bro why is the language translation a bunch of if statements

[solid bough]

Because I never learned how to save the languages to a file that it doesn't need that

[sage crag]

ive heard of IR and IL, but never IF

[olive sable]

for item in [//list of items]
  item.config(bg= //colour)

[solid bough]

Okay, I have to be honest, Coding is a hobby I have...

[olive sable]

thasts fine

[solid bough]

But I agree that it is not really clean.

[olive sable]

im just trying to teach you how to improve

[rigid snow]

all it took was 6 cents sent to anthropic

[olive sable]

6 cents big oof

[solid bough]

True, I'm just a little stubborn

[sage crag]

all this from the bad bracket man

[olive sable]

in c++ you're supposed to put them on a newline

[rigid snow]

!!! for 850 tokens

[olive sable]

i wont take this shit from you konii

[rare bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/poor-no-money-gif-24226168

there goes all the money

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

next you know it sam will become a cmake shill

[solid bough]

At least I don't have to worry about rent

[olive sable]

nah im staying with makefile

[olive sable]

same

oh ye now that i have aged i should see the money im leaching off the taxpayers soon

[solid bough]

Btw, What Python version do you think that is?

[olive sable]

it says it in bottom right you know

3.13

[solid bough]

That is not the version that is intended

That is just the version that is about to be run

[olive sable]

dont care, its the version you're using

so its the version it is

[solid bough]

The code is for Python 2

[olive sable]

why would you use python 2?

[stark needle]

chat i did it i taught a llm the concept of neuro somewhat

[solid bough]

For example, it went from py xrange()topy range()

[olive sable]

at that point just walk of into the sunset and build a new life in spain

[solid bough]

I don't, I'm trying to translate that to Python 3 since idk when

[olive sable]

dont subject yourself to python 2

[stark needle]

it responded in spanish tho (?)

[solid bough]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[opaque wharf]

It just keeps getting better here lmao

[olive sable]

this is the hour of the ultimate scuff

[opaque wharf]

Sam predicting the future of shad

[olive sable]

you know, the more toast and konii say about stuff like how you have 16 bit bytes, the more i hate humanity.
liek this was all a mistake and we need to start again

[opaque wharf]

[olive sable]

there is no need to make things so needlesly complicated

use 1 standart

1

dont you fuckign dare to make something new cuz you're feleling fancy

[rare bramble]

lets make a compromise, 12 bit bytes

[olive sable]

i will throw you into the sun

[solid bough]

Btw, That was an attempt of me porting the code to Python 3 in the past at 2023:

[olive sable]

oh god

why

why

[solid bough]

Why not?

Why not?

[olive sable]

im actaully tweakign from this

[solid bough]

Why?

[olive sable]

its time to stop

[tender river]

that can be jitted just fine using monomorphization, even dynamic scopes can be jitted, the only functions that can't (easily) be jitted are probably the ones that modify their own code during execution

[opaque wharf]

Wtf is tweaking

[solid bough]

Oh because of the nesting?

[olive sable]

use python 3 like a normal sane human being

[solid bough]

That is Python 3 Code

[opaque wharf]

Self modifying code

[olive sable]

you said you sdesigned it to work for python 2

no more of that

[sage crag]

you can write it in hblang now

[solid bough]

I... Wait, I even said on that image: Btw, That was an attempt of me porting the code to Python 3 in the past at 2023:

[olive sable]

we dont do that around here cuz i said so

[sage crag]

ok bracket man

[solid bough]

I said that it is Python 3

[opaque wharf]

Can modify self at runtime but not having bitfield

[olive sable]

im refering to this

[tender river]

do you mean jack as in JACK? because pipewire has pretty good jack emulation

[sage crag]

write a bitfield yourself

[solid bough]

oh. Yeah, I wanna make that code runable in modern ish Python

[opaque wharf]

You're the one that is making stdlib

[solid bough]

brb, checking what modules I need

[olive sable]

do you not realize how OLD python 2 is???

[sage crag]

youre the one that is complaining about no bitfield

[opaque wharf]

[solid bough]

That are the Modules I need: ↑

[opaque sigil]

yeah, thank god for pipewire

[olive sable]

python 2 came out in 2000, and reached end of life in 2020. there is no reason to use it

[solid bough]

No, And I don't install Python 2, I don't even think of doing it

[olive sable]

its litteraly dead, end of life

[solid bough]

How can I make it clear? I wanna port that to Python 3

[olive sable]

then why did you say its designed for python 2?

[solid bough]

Because coder that made the code made it like 7 years ago

and I wanna make it run on modern Python

[opaque wharf]

Your VST still needs some solving tho

[olive sable]

why was it in 2 to begin with?

[solid bough]

Idk

and I honestly don't wanna ask CodeParade

[olive sable]

pytohn 3 is 16 years old

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermitreee-kermit-aaaaa-scream-gif-15959515

[opaque wharf]

Wait, that's his code?

[solid bough]

The image where I said "This is Python 2 Code"?

[solid bough]

aka that

[opaque wharf]

CodeParade the one that made Engine4D right?

[opaque sigil]

i actually sort of got it to work under carla when i last tried but couldn't figure out how to make it persistent and not reset randomly
it's definitely possible, i'll probably revisit it when i'm done with uni for the semester

[solid bough]

I don't mean 3.0

[solid bough]

Yup, that CodeParade that made the 4D Golf

[opaque wharf]

[olive sable]

then what do you mean?

[solid bough]

I mean more like Python 3.7, I might be able to still install the module versions I need

[olive sable]

you can just check what the oldest one is all packages support

but i cant recommend purposefully using old versions of packages

[opaque wharf]

I have the same issue with my mouse when using 2.4GHz receiver. CoolerMaster mouse always goes to sleep after a while. My solution is I decided to not care and use wire

[solid bough]

True, I just want to get it running at all on Python 3.xx

[olive sable]

what is this and why was it on classic?

[sage crag]

search indexing

[opaque wharf]

Stuff made for windows do be like that on linux sometimes

[olive sable]

why wasnt it indexed before?

wtf was windows doing?

[sage crag]

it was, but only common user locations

[opaque sigil]

because most people only need to search in those locations

[solid bough]

Yes

[sage crag]

indexing the whole drive is generally not a great idea frankly

[opaque wharf]

But on windows, indexing is... even more difficult

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

why is indexing not a good idea?

i thought it was faster

[opaque sigil]

indexing takes time

[opaque wharf]

Nono, indexing is good

[sage crag]

not indexing, indexing the whole drive

keypoint being the whole drive

[opaque wharf]

Indexing the whole drive is another matter

[olive sable]

what about it?

[opaque wharf]

Especially C drive on windows

[sage crag]

its just not worth it when users arent gonna start shoving their files in System32

[opaque sigil]

windows likes to also reset the index randomly from my experience

so that's very cool

unless they fixed that

[olive sable]

im it has excludes

[sage crag]

indexing takes up system resources. moving things will cause reindexing. a larger index means slower searching. etc

[olive sable]

huh

ig ill keep it on classic then

[solid bough]

SamVanMaele.cpp, Should I download all the files?

[opaque sigil]

give it a shot and see

[opaque wharf]

On linux, I'm just index /home/user and exlude anything starting with .

[opaque sigil]

why are we downloading cuda

[sage crag]

i have indexing entirely disabled

[opaque sigil]

wait

why are we downloading cuda 9

[olive sable]

cuda 9??????

bruh

[solid bough]

Cuz instructions

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

[olive sable]

[solid bough]

That is what I got on the compiled version:

[opaque wharf]

Ngl, I think I hit my limit for cursedness

[olive sable]

what are you even trying to do?

liek what\

wha

uh

https://tenor.com/view/aneurysm-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-reaperleviathan-head-explode-gif-21578105

[opaque sigil]

is the code public?

[opaque wharf]

CodeParade stuff should be public I think

[opaque sigil]

actually nvm i should be doing things

[solid bough]

of Deep Doodle?

[opaque sigil]

i have a crypto exam in 6 days

[sage crag]

you have to produce 1 bitcoin

[opaque sigil]

dw about it

[sage crag]

its your coursework

[opaque sigil]

do you pay for the asics?

[sage crag]

no

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

im not a charity

im a tv

[opaque wharf]

Crypto is easy in theory

[solid bough]

Toast, What code did you mean?

[opaque wharf]

In theory

[sage crag]

its actually very hard in theory

that's the point

[opaque sigil]

the original python2 code you're trying to convert

[opaque wharf]

I don't think multiplication and modulo are hard

[opaque sigil]

garbled circuits are fun but also

[sage crag]

modular arithmetic is pretty complex

[past cloud]

Guys, is it okay, that I have to score in my exams more than I can get, so that I MAY BE able to get into university? (just to clarify to get over max score in exams you should have achievements in school life like take a place in some olympiads, in fact if you WIN olympiad on country level it guarantees you a place in uni, but you have to be a fckin genius and sometimes they are taking over a whole courses in prestigious unis)

[sage crag]

of course multiplication and modulo arent hard though

[solid bough]

Yes, it is on GitHub

[opaque wharf]

The vanilla stuff is simple

[olive sable]

wdym "is it okay"? like idk im not the authority on that.
i only do brackets and roads

[opaque sigil]

i kinda like group theory, is neat

[opaque wharf]

Only 1 operator too

[past cloud]

I mean, is this common in other countries?

[sage crag]

hm yes streaming hasher

class MyHasher:
  def __init__(self):
    self.acc = 0
  def hash(x: str):
    for char in x:
      self.acc += ord(char)
    return self.acc

[opaque sigil]

idk i just graduated high school and then went to uni, they take everyone for cs

[olive sable]

in belgium you either jsut go to uni or you have to do an aptitude test for enginerering or whatever

[solid bough]

What are you on to?

[opaque sigil]

idk but it doesn't matter anyway now

[olive sable]

thank you nvidia

[solid bough]

Understood

[olive sable]

updating the drivers made the yt video render buffer green for some reason

[solid bough]

nvidia 😎

[olive sable]

thanks gensen

[solid bough]

Huh:

[sage crag]

Unsupported Graphics Card

There is a problem with your graphics card. Please ensure your card meets the minimum system requirements and that you have the latest drivers installed.

[olive sable]

oh he's actually doing

[past cloud]

small indie company

[opaque sigil]

oh there's a new driver

[olive sable]

cuda 9

[nocturne olive]

CUDA 9.1, SMOL

[opaque sigil]

wonder if i get to enable gsync this time

[olive sable]

you couldnt?

[solid bough]

Yes

[olive sable]

i could

[solid bough]

Ye, just 1.5GB

[opaque sigil]

sick

[olive sable]

he meant the number, not the file size

[nocturne olive]

I mean the version number

[opaque sigil]

there's a bug in the driver where the higher the refresh rate the more flickering with gsync on or something

[olive sable]

i only got 165hz so

[solid bough]

Oh, Yeah that too

[opaque sigil]

from what i've heard it's mostly 50 and 40 cards affected by the driver bugs anyway

[solid bough]

LMAO

[olive sable]

ah, so not my 3090 then ig

[sage crag]

skateboard

[opaque sigil]

for me it's mostly the gsync thing and it likes to drop frames sometimes

[olive sable]

thats just what happens with old programs i guess

[solid bough]

True

[olive sable]

check if cuda 12 will work

[desert plaza]

skamteboard

[sage crag]

nope

wrong

not how you spell skateboard

can confirm

[solid bough]

Bruh

[nocturne olive]

I think your GPU is too new for CUDA 9

[opaque sigil]

cuda 13 when

[desert plaza]

sorry, i meant skamtebord

[sage crag]

therapy

[olive sable]

hit me up when cuda 2025 releases

[solid bough]

The program gave me some errors that is when old programs try to display new sites.

[nocturne olive]

According to what I could find, RTX 30 series cards require at least CUDA version 11.1

[sage crag]

they will call it Cuda X

[solid bough]

Wait what?

[sage crag]

if we still named things like we did in 2010 it would be called Cuda 2k25

[olive sable]

thats trademark infringment, eloin will get mad

[nocturne olive]

Yeah, there is limitations to what CUDA version any given GPU can run

[sage crag]

iphome

[olive sable]

ifoam

[opaque wharf]

Funnily enough, CUDA sounds like Kuda which means horse in ID

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

why are you foam

[olive sable]

head empty

[sage crag]

can confirmn

[opaque wharf]

More CUDA = More Horse = More Horsepower

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[olive sable]

we liek more perd

[solid bough]

Anyways, Imma try on my NVIDIA Quadro M2000

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

more horse more flops

[olive sable]

is there a reason you must use that old python 2 program with cuda 9???????

is cuda 12 not compatible?

[opaque sigil]

oh yeah that card is ancient so you're good

[nocturne olive]

Apparently minimum is 7.5 for that one
But you may need to remove the 3070 Ti for it to register that it can do that

And downgrade drivers

[opaque wharf]

What a sentence lmao

[solid bough]

oh, what could happen worst case?

[opaque wharf]

Explosion

[nocturne olive]

It doesn't install CUDA 9 because it detects the minimum CUDA capability of the newest card

[opaque sigil]

cuda is separate from the graphics driver

[solid bough]

It still installed...

[olive sable]

new devewlopment, instead of 0% usage at 130W, it now shows 20% usage after the driver update eventho it isnt actually doing anything

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

[opaque sigil]

it always installs just fine, it just won't detect newer cards at runtime

[nocturne olive]

Windows moment

[opaque wharf]

It is mining bitcoin

[olive sable]

thanks nvidia

[nocturne olive]

*Microsoft

[olive sable]

i dont think its a windows issue

or well, i doubt it

[nocturne olive]

Probably is, I'm on Linux and my driver works flawlessly with two different GPUs

[opaque wharf]

Now that I think about it, this is highly likely sam

[opaque sigil]

update: no gsync for me

[opaque wharf]

Oh wait, you did some windows customization stuff right?

It may have been from that

[olive sable]

task mananger doesnt show a single program usign the gpu

its only nvidea saying 20%

[solid bough]

It shouldn't...

[opaque wharf]

Lmao, 210%

[olive sable]

typo

[opaque wharf]

Well I figured since this is cursed hour, it may as well be

[opaque sigil]

my favourite part about task manager is how not all 20% on the gpu are equal

it constantly yells at me that my gpu is using like 80% while it's doing basically nothing

[olive sable]

like what is even happening here???

[sage crag]

what if gpu profilers were like cpu profilers and it did usage percentage on a per core basis

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

100000000% utilised

[olive sable]

10k cuda cores...

ye not good

[opaque sigil]

nsight-systems kinda does this, just on an SM basis

idk if you can get more granular info

[sage crag]

i have microplastics

[opaque sigil]

yummy

[sage crag]

no

not for you

for me

[opaque sigil]

so selfish

[opaque wharf]

I have nanoplastic

[sage crag]

microplastics not yourcoplastics

[opaque wharf]

I will be sharing it by spreading it through the air

[desert plaza]

any picoplastics?

[sage crag]

i think this is against international law

[solid bough]

I did it:

[opaque wharf]

It is never a warcrime the first time

[tender river]

good thing theres an easier way in javascript

const isEven = (f=>f(f=>g=>n=>!n--||g(f)(n))(f(f=>g=>n=>!!n--&&g(f)(n))))((f=>f(f))(f=>g=>n=>g(f(f)(g))(n)));

[sage crag]

banned

disgraceful

banished

leave

[opaque wharf]

You know, if all you wanted was ocean fft, you could've just see acerola repo

[opaque wharf]

So this whole time chay is typing just to make that abomination

[desert plaza]

damn, if only modulo existed

[sage crag]

modules? i use them all the time

is-even is my favourite module

[opaque wharf]

The long wait is probably deciding if sending it counts as warcrimes or not

[sage crag]

triple checking rules to make sure its airtight

[tender river]

[olive sable]

force stopping desktop windows manager gives some fun effects, like the teto from konii jumped to my oyther monitor and it became magenta

[sage crag]

this is surely trauma dumping

[tender river]

look at her face

sshe7s happy

[sage crag]

i have looked

what is next

[solid bough]

SamVanMaele.cpp wanna see what the packaged version that can run with the setup?

[olive sable]

not really

[solid bough]

You're not wrong

it... is something

[solid bough]

My drawing skills with the mouse don't help on that...

[solid bough]

You remember how AI images looked in the past?

[olive sable]

i dont

never bothere dto remember

[solid bough]

Because I have the EXE version CodeParade nicely provided

that I don't need to translate that code

[olive sable]

cool for you i guess

[sage crag]

soup ice cream

[olive sable]

ok i have some questions.....

wtf do you mean 9951MHz???????????

thats not possible

[sage crag]

10GHz poghd

[olive sable]

cpu-z also shows it

what???

its either lying, or my vram is activly killing itslef

[sage crag]

i believe you may have a particle accelerator in your gpu

[opaque sigil]

it's fine, vram is faster

[olive sable]

its supposed to be 1200 tho?

[opaque sigil]

mine runs at 14GHz for example

why would it be?

[sage crag]

vram can make colours and is faster

[opaque sigil]

you're thinking of the base clock probably

[olive sable]

The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 has a base clock of 1395 MHz and a boost clock of 1695 MHz

9951 is slightly more

[sage crag]

turbo

super turbo

[warped narwhal]

well, I wonder what happened in the last hour and 20 minutes

[olive sable]

nothing much

[opaque sigil]

the frequency the spec sheet lists is from the single chip, you have 8 chips

[olive sable]

it counts them up?

why?

[opaque sigil]

because that's the total frequency, they all run in parallel

there was a formula but i forgor

memory stuff is weird

[opaque wharf]

DDR is double data rate

[opaque sigil]

i'm probably wrong on some details

[nocturne olive]

Looks normal for VRAM?

It includes all the fancy encoding stuff

Which makes it I think like 4x data-rate

[solid bough]

Wait, I have that VRAM Speed:

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/slippery-duck-slip-ducks-ice-gif-1514522798802040392

[nocturne olive]

I have yet to figure out a tool I could use to tune and inspect the GPU like MSI afterburner that works on Linux

[opaque wharf]

Nice duck you have there

[solid bough]

But that is what my GPU boosts to:

[opaque sigil]

100% fan speed

[gritty dust]

bro got ddr10

[solid bough]

Because it is 61°C

too hot ngl

[opaque sigil]

pam4 go brrr

[hoary lion]

Actually thought it was dram

[gritty dust]

idk what it is lol I popped in for 2 seconds and saw it

[hoary lion]

Laptop users chilling with 80C on their lap

[tender river]

80? make that 100

[gritty dust]

surface of the sun on their lap

[solid bough]

What???

[solid bough]

I’m surprised that it isn’t molten yet

[solid bough]

Yeah

[hoary lion]

Based on a true story

[solid bough]

On the CPU… right?

… right??

[hoary lion]

https://youtu.be/LxduFWbbndE?si=hYWOlz7NRMsnJUfs

I am fire(real)

[solid bough]

Wait, are you really a Non-jittable function?

[olive sable]

hmmmm

turning off my other monitors and a decent amount of background procceses did make it able to drop to 30W

so basicly its my monitors being too high res and refreshrate?

you would think that you dont need an extra 100W if they're not displaying anything besides the win bg

turning of g-sync seems to help

[solid bough]

Huh… why would a bg process need a GPU?

[olive sable]

things like signalrgb and stuff use hardware aceleration

[nocturne olive]

I say Windows moment

[olive sable]

it might just be

i also blame nvidia tho