programming

[sage crag]

no screen will be used most likely

[olive sable]

i know

[opaque wharf]

From this table, you can check the upper bound I think

[olive sable]

im not talking baout your drawing tablet thing for osu

i got hyperfixatred on high refreshrate screens

[olive sable]

128GT/s should be doable

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but then at that point you're making a whole ecosystem of new gen hardware

[sage crag]

@handler("entry", fn(): never {
    @syscall(1, 1, "hello, world\n".ptr, "hello, world\n".len)
    return @syscall(0x3C, 0)
})

the program

[olive sable]

dont care

[sage crag]

_start:
    sub rsp, 0x08
    mov rax, 0x01
    lea rsi, [0x0000000000000007]
    mov rdx, 0x0D
    mov rdi, 0x01
    syscall
    mov rax, 0x3C
    xor rdi, rdi
    syscall

the asm

[trim valve]

smh yet another device at 8000hz for no good reason

[rough bloom]

why does it switch between so many units

[desert plaza]

this is my code, 34 bytes for code, 14 bytes for string, and the rest is ELF

[opaque wharf]

I do not know

[sage crag]

you use smaller registers

interesting

[olive sable]

its a screen, for le epic gamer

[desert plaza]

damn, that's 64 bit

[olive sable]

surely at 8000hz ill get better at fortnite

[sage crag]

yup

[desert plaza]

hehe

[sage crag]

no int 80 for me

syscall

[trim valve]

surely you can invent a 50GB/s hdmi cable

[olive sable]

juast do what playstation vr did and use 2

or 4

[tender river]

just use display port it can surely handle it

[trim valve]

actually how fast are they these days

[olive sable]

maybe just get 20

[desert plaza]

can i see the hexdump

[sage crag]

0000000 457f 464c 0102 0001 0000 0000 0000 0000
0000010 0002 003e 0001 0000 0078 0040 0000 0000
0000020 0040 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
0000030 0000 0000 0040 0038 0001 0000 0000 0000
0000040 0001 0000 0007 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
0000050 0000 0040 0000 0000 0000 0040 0000 0000
0000060 00b3 0000 0000 0000 00b3 0000 0000 0000
0000070 0008 0000 0000 0000 8348 08ec 8d48 2335
0000080 0000 4800 c2c7 000d 0000 c748 01c0 0000
0000090 4800 c7c7 0001 0000 050f c748 3cc0 0000
00000a0 4800 ff31 050f 6568 6c6c 2c6f 7720 726f
00000b0 646c 000a                              
00000b3

[desert plaza]

thanks

[sage crag]

yw

[trim valve]

https://trychen.com/feature/video-bandwidth it appears my bandwidth estimate was a bit off

[sage crag]

i think i could shave more bytes off the binary if i bothered optimising the ELF

but yk

[trim valve]

by about half

[sage crag]

purest jank

[olive sable]

--omagic is rteally safe i promise...

[sage crag]

everything is RWX, page alignment goes bye bye, text and data sections get combined

[olive sable]

grok translate please

[sage crag]

binary can be modified at runtime, constants are stored next to functions, and everything gets packed together

really i could just use -N

probably the same size too

[olive sable]

does grok mean "deeply understand"????

ye i asked chatgpt to translate but also copied my message

[tender river]

it does in vcspeak

[sage crag]

yes

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

1 order of magnitude is pinpoint accuracy for astrophysicist

[tender river]

so true chatgpt

too bad i was talking about VCs

[desert plaza]

y'know your magic bytes are all fuked, how is it even running

is it ableOS

[tender river]

no its linux

[olive sable]

reminds me of
"konii is approximately the size of 2 cookies"
"i never specified the margin of error"

[sage crag]

nope this is very much x86

x86_64**

ableos doesnt use ELF

thank god

[desert plaza]

the four magic bytes at the beginning are out of sequence

[opaque wharf]

[split osprey]

bro pynput doesnt record continous mouse movements?

[sage crag]

noe

[small anvil]

Ah yes I love being in debt to my bandwidth

[desert plaza]

yesh

[sage crag]

noee

[tender river]

endianness

hex dump is in 16-bit words

[sage crag]

le

[olive sable]

where can you see that?

[opaque wharf]

CPU: "Hey GPU, please render this scene"
GPU: "Sure thing fam, here is the dump of /dev/random"

[sage crag]

0000000  7f  45  4c  46  02  01  01  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00
0000010  02  00  3e  00  01  00  00  00  78  00  40  00  00  00  00  00
0000020  40  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00
0000030  00  00  00  00  40  00  38  00  01  00  00  00  00  00  00  00
0000040  01  00  00  00  07  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00
0000050  00  00  40  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  40  00  00  00  00  00
0000060  b3  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  b3  00  00  00  00  00  00  00
0000070  08  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  48  83  ec  08  48  8d  35  23
0000080  00  00  00  48  c7  c2  0d  00  00  00  48  c7  c0  01  00  00
0000090  00  48  c7  c7  01  00  00  00  0f  05  48  c7  c0  3c  00  00
00000a0  00  48  31  ff  0f  05  68  65  6c  6c  6f  2c  20  77  6f  72
00000b0  6c  64  0a                                                    
00000b3

would you prefer

[opaque wharf]

https://trychen.com/feature/video-bandwidth

[small anvil]

/dev/urandom for maximum efficiency

[desert plaza]

yes, very much prefer

[sage crag]

so many zeroes in this program

very sad

[desert plaza]

ELF also has 7 padding bytes that HAS to be there, but are unused 😭

[small anvil]

Guys should I buy a new mic and webcam or a monitor

[tender river]

its about what i expected (the backstory), it was probably a good idea not to watch it before s1

[olive sable]

im pushing 22.38Gbps x 3 apparently

[desert plaza]

and don't get me started on the two ELF version fields

[opaque wharf]

What do you need each one for

[small anvil]

My headphone mic sucks, it sounds like im in a tin can, and I'm usually in VC with friends and we usually have our cameras on so it would be nice
buuut....
Another 244hz monitor sounds nice

[opaque wharf]

You can always use Android phone connected via USB for webcam

[small anvil]

I have no android phones

And my only phone that I do have has a terrible battery life

[olive sable]

you prob dont need an expensive mic either, a 10 bucks one is fine for most things. unless you're streaming or smthn

[desert plaza]

thanks for pointing that out btw, didn't realize people would do such a thing

[small anvil]

Well I have a small desk and I like having space so I was thinking about a boom stick, nothing fancy

I've got the money anyways

[opaque wharf]

https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy/blob/master/doc/camera.md

[small anvil]

I can afford all of it but I'm just bad at making decisions

[opaque wharf]

Oh

Honestly, I think buying cheap 2nd hand android phone as webcam+mic combo is better than dedicated webcam via usb

I don't know why so many webcam sucks, even though they are not constrained by power budget

Well, maybe bandwidth

But still

[sage crag]

have you acquired any insights

[midnight sigil]

I'm not going to do rendering on my cpu again

my heatsink can't fucking handle the heat

[small anvil]

I bet you could cook a steak on that CPU

[desert plaza]

am currently parsing your hexdump with my hands

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

Bro is the ultimate programmer. Become one with the CPU. Be THE CPU

[sage crag]

do you want to read the ableos hexdump

[desert plaza]

yesh

[small anvil]

Most likely bandwidth, but my options are limited when it comes to webcams
I've already tried all of the phone webcams like Iriun and such but they're always so laggy, or they work and my phone just goes kaput
In my opinion it seems worthwhile to invest in a proper webcam

[desert plaza]

is that a challenge

[sage crag]

yes

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, you don't need special software on your android to use it as webcam

[sage crag]

this binary is wildy inefficient and i dont know why

well, i do know why

[opaque wharf]

But yes, if anyone knows a good webcam, you can check that out

[small anvil]

I would love to use it but unfortunately I have no android phones at my disposal (as much as I would like to)

[opaque wharf]

Because I don't know any good ones

[sage crag]

but i dont know why the compiler has done this

[desert plaza]

that binary isn't also in little-endian 16-bit words, is it?

[sage crag]

i formatted it the way you like

also this isnt x86_64

[tender river]

the compiler is stupid....

[opaque wharf]

2KB? For the whole OS?

[sage crag]

thats the hexdump of a hello world program that runs on the os

the os is closer to 1mb

[desert plaza]

[opaque wharf]

I thought you are sending the hexdump of AbleOS from your wording lmao

Also chay, what does this mean?

This site's source code is listed here (It's a simple template-based static html generator). The only interactive piece of functionality here is the comment system, which is done by abusing nginx logs.

[sage crag]

main:
         st $31, $254, -8, 8
     addi64 $254, $254, -25
        li8 $1, 2
         st $1, $254, 0, 1
       li64 $6, 12
       li64 $1, 3
       li64 $2, 1
     addi64 $3, $254, 0
       li64 $4, 17
        lra $5, $0, :main.main.hello, world
         st $5, $254, 1, 8
         st $6, $254, 9, 8
        eca
     addi64 $254, $254, 25
         ld $31, $254, -8, 8
         tx

what is it doing

[tender river]

its best

[sage crag]

main := fn(): void {
    @ecall(3, 1, struct align(1) {
        .level: enum{.error; .warn; .info; .debug; .trace};
        .str: []u8;
    }.(.info, "hello, world"), @size_of(u8) + @size_of([]u8))
}

it's not that deep just put the values in the registers

i could make this clearer to read huh

nah

[small anvil]

I was going to send a link but it seems Amazon has just wiped my entire order list

[tender river]

comments are not saved using php or something i simply configured nginx to log all post requests to the upload comment page

[desert plaza]

what isa then

[sage crag]

https://git.ablecorp.eu/holey-bytes/holey-bytes/src/branch/trunk/spec.md

[opaque wharf]

I know. Its just cursed

[sage crag]

seriously it just has to load some consts into some registers

i could do better

[opaque wharf]

My question is more like, why....

[tender river]

easier than configuring another program

[sage crag]

and then on top of that, it goes and embeds the type names in the binary

what are you doing compiler

[tender river]

compiler's got competition

[sage crag]

compiler is apparently only optimised for x86

i guess this is our fault for not using hbvm

embarassing

[opaque wharf]

So much for RISC

[tender river]

to be fair risc programs can easily be larger

[sage crag]

it would be smaller if the compiler got its act together

280 bytes

[desert plaza]

does ableOS exclusively run bytecode

[tender river]

it does

[sage crag]

yup

[desert plaza]

no fukin way

[sage crag]

portable

[opaque wharf]

Yes fukin way

[sage crag]

its intentional

[desert plaza]

RIP optimization

[tender river]

it can be JITd

[sage crag]

i'll have you know it can run a full graphical desktop environment

[desert plaza]

oki buddy

[sage crag]

dont ok buddy me

[desert plaza]

it's oki buddy, ableOS is great

[opaque wharf]

Because I'm not your buddy, pal?

[desert plaza]

im not your pal, guy

[sage crag]

is fast enough

this isnt actually ableos though

just a reimplementation of the ableos kernel as an application

[opaque wharf]

"Fix submodule dir"
"Actually fix submodule dir"
Classic

[opaque wharf]

I wish git submodule is usable tho

[desert plaza]

computers sure are wonderful

[olive sable]

how much fps?

[sage crag]

do you think i have that kind of tooling

[olive sable]

i was hoping

[sage crag]

its a software rasteriser running in a virtual machine that writes to an emulated display buffer

the framerate of the window isnt even synced to the renderer

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

old video tho

probably patched

[tender river]

memset not allowing a length of 0 was annoying i worked around it but you should probably remove that check

[desert plaza]

9 is greater than 9 mhm

[sage crag]

where was this

kernel?

or lily

[tender river]

lily

[rigid snow]

what if the request is malformed

[tender river]

nginx is probably gonna reply with 503 or whatever

[sage crag]

hm

i put it there because it was dubious to be giving the kernel a memset of length zero

wasted syscall mhm

[small anvil]

418 im a teapot 😇

[sage crag]

though

not a syscall on x86

bwa

[tender river]

working on hblsp is like doing your dailies

you hit a compiler bug and are free for the day

[small anvil]

hblang will soon be the worlds leading programming language

[rigid snow]

oh do you mean like you run a hook on every request that can reply with its own thing, something akin to middleware? i thought you meant parsing the log with a script as the requests come in

[tender river]

i dont parse anything nginx just saves all post requests to the log file without doing anything else

i later go through the comments manually because most of it is spam anyway

and by manually i of course mean using a script

[opaque wharf]

So the flow is HTML Form sending POST request -> NginX receive the request -> NginX log said request

[tender river]

    locations."/submit_comment".extraConfig = ''
      access_log /var/log/nginx/comments.log postdata;
      proxy_pass https://${cfg.domainName}/submit.htm;
      break;
    '';
    locations."/submit.htm" = {
      extraConfig = ''
        return 200 '<!doctype html><html><head><base href="/"/><link rel="preload" href="style.css" as="style"><title>Success!</title><meta charset="utf-8" /><meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1" /><link rel="icon" type="image/jpeg" href="pfp.jpg"><link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="RSS" href="https://${cfg.domainName}/blog/index.xml"><link href="style.css" rel="stylesheet" /><script src="main.js"></script><meta http-equiv="refresh" content="10; url=$http_referer" /></head><body onload="documentLoaded()"><hr/><div class="main-body"><p>Success! It may take a while for your comment to get moderated.</p><p>Please wait for 10 seconds until you get redirected back...</p><p>Or just go there <a href="$http_referer">manually</a>.</p></div><hr/></body></html>';
      '';
    };

thats it

[sage crag]

maybe if more people used the language

[tender river]

oh also

  services.nginx.commonHttpConfig = ''
    log_format postdata '{\"ip\":\"$remote_addr\",\"time\":\"$time_iso8601\",\"referer\":\"$http_referer\",\"body\":\"$request_body\",\"ua\":\"$http_user_agent\"}';
  '';

[sage crag]

right now its just two people who are using the language daily

[opaque wharf]

Chay be out here tracking us all along everytime we visit the site

[rigid snow]

why not just use cgi + any language you want

[tender river]

this is just for the comments

[opaque wharf]

Less moving part tho

[tender river]

why would i configure cgi if i have to moderate all the comments anyway

[rigid snow]

to have them be emailed to you or something uuh idk

to be a sane person

[tender river]

[opaque wharf]

Oh right, I didn't catch the postdata part

mlnt at least use TSX

[tender river]

but also, i very much am tracking you since i have nginx access logs enabled

[rigid snow]

i have not touched a .jsx file since like 2021. i specifically put jsx in to piss you off

[opaque wharf]

Brb, gonna run autocannon so I lit up on the logs like crazy

[worldly plank]

Sanity and programming skills are mutually exclusive.

[small anvil]

Bro i swear to god im legit going to be late to meet a friend of mine because I was lurking in the neruosama programming channel

[pine owl]

actually crazy😭

[small anvil]

I cannot be real

[pine owl]

they'll understand trust

[small anvil]

If they dont:

[pine owl]

uhhhh

[opaque wharf]

It is indeed fun and cozy here

[pine owl]

tell them you were talking to highly intellectual beings trained in the art of computers

[desert plaza]

[small anvil]

Got it

[pine owl]

int main() {
int array[4096] = {0};

array[7000] = 0;
printf("%d\n" , array[7000]);

}

Totally getting a job with this

I'm actually so pro at C (no cap fr)

[rigid snow]

ub the b isn't very u here. it will segfault

[sage crag]

lol

[desert plaza]

but will it

[rigid snow]

why wouldn't it if that's the whole program

[tender river]

it doesnt have to segfault

so its ub

[opaque wharf]

Suuurely it will not just print some random memory segment somewhere

[tender river]

realistically the compiler may well optimize it to just print 0

[rigid snow]

which would be equal to 0

[desert plaza]

i tested it, it didn't segfault

[rigid snow]

crazy

[desert plaza]

there are probably more than one page allocated to the process

4096 is the size of a page typically

[small anvil]

Segfault my favorite

[desert plaza]

but it allocates more

[opaque wharf]

It does segfault for me tho. Sadge

[small anvil]

No explainable reason why it segfaults, it just does

[tender river]

[desert plaza]

lmao skill issue

[opaque wharf]

Technically, the program is working as expected

Even if the program somehow run a skynet by accident, it is still within spec

[sage crag]

yes

UB is anything-goes

[rigid snow]

why is this an actual argument. i was making a joke

[sage crag]

that byte you just wrote could have been a volatile pin in some embedded device that when changed, activates the super nuke

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

we never see you compile the binary

[tender river]

it doesn't have to be an embedded device for clang to launch the super nuke

you just have to piss the compiler off enough

[sage crag]

this is true

clang can launch a super nuke at any time

be wary

[desert plaza]

i must make sacrifices sometimes

[split osprey]

anyone know how to capture mouse inputs if the game captures all of them

[rigid snow]

$ cat main
#!/usr/bin/env python3
print("0")

[split osprey]

ive tried all the python libs, they all get blocked by the game before the input reaches them

[small anvil]

Fool's binary

[opaque wharf]

Also, is it not /usr/env?

[tender river]

no

[desert plaza]

wait you want me to show the compilation process lmao

[sage crag]

no

im good

but also

antitrust

[opaque wharf]

Pardon me, I meant /bin/env

[opaque sigil]

Still no

[sage crag]

awa

[opaque wharf]

Why?

[small anvil]

For my next project I shall turn C into an interpreted language

[opaque sigil]

Actually I guess /bin is just a symlink to /usr/bin so i guess that should work on a lot of systems

[tender river]

javascript

[opaque wharf]

Oh, so the reason is just portability?

[tender river]

awa

[dry charm]

Cause /usr/bin/env should be the almost default path for every distro

[dry charm]

Yes

[sage crag]

convert hblang to c by compiling hblang code to x86 and then decompiling x86 to c

its a preprocessing step

[opaque wharf]

This is a sign you need to sleep lmao

[sage crag]

awa

[small anvil]

Then convert to rust then convert back to x86

[opaque sigil]

tcc let's you turn it into a script via a shebang, close enough

[sage crag]

noe

rust will make it fat

[small anvil]

#!/usr/bin/env c

[sage crag]

compile it with zig

[desert plaza]

don't forget to compile c to brainfuck

[small anvil]

And thennnn
||Turn it into an audio and then create another program to convert audio waves from a microphone into x86||

[tender river]

i saw antitone in haskell docs and now antidote is playing in my head osu! brainrot is real

[sage crag]

who is emily and why is she both smelly and princess

[sage crag]

antitone, gimme that antitone

[opaque wharf]

Oh, it gets worse

[rigid snow]

oh it does

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I'm not putting that up for long lol

[opaque sigil]

The compiler is pretty cool at least

[sage crag]

jhjkhkjh

[tender river]

true

[opaque sigil]

Same

[worldly plank]

What did you think was going to happen...?

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[tender river]

[noble zodiac]

I will have to spend my morning with reading through government standards for email provides. How lovely

[tender river]

my condolences

[noble zodiac]

also not it telling me to use IP adresses instead of DNS records for "stability"

[sage crag]

[worldly plank]

Are you saying someone claims you SHOULD use IP, and NOT DNS records? For STABILITY?

[tender river]

bakushin bakushin bakushinshin

[noble zodiac]

yes, that is what it says

also bukushin, bakushin, bakushishiiin

[worldly plank]

Are you allowed to elaborate? How is plain IP more stable than DNS (supposedly)?

[sage crag]

dns requires resolving the link to an ip

if you cant resolve the link, no connection

[faint sandal]

https://youtu.be/NYu-R2Y9ZmU obligatory

[sage crag]

Sakura Bakushin O

[noble zodiac]

Almost best girl

[tender river]

my multimeter's box says it has "1999-digit lcd"

[rigid snow]

base2k

[tender river]

i have long-ish (about 2/3rds of my back) dark hair so it's relatively hard to bleach too, i thought about dyeing it but i don't want to deal with the hair health consequences (also i'm broke so i could do with fewer expenses, maybe later)

[scarlet arch]

eeeey I broke something. wohoo

turns out monitoring about 7k connections and writing most of it to file kills the software :P

[sage crag]

banana

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

Well, I have no expectation for UB

[faint sandal]

https://fxtwitter.com/fr0gger_/status/1947650885917520091

Thomas Roccia 🤘 (@fr0gger_)

💥 CERT-UA published a report on a malware powered by an LLM.
︀︀
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︀︀
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︀︀
︀︀This is a very interesting use case and you can leverage NOVA for prompt pattern detection.
︀︀
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[worldly plank]

Do you need them to stop going to the game, or do you only need a copy of what the game is getting?

[tender river]

they made vibe coding into a malware

[opaque wharf]

It is even more useless than crypto mining lmao

[faint sandal]

you call it useless but it actually makes threat hunting this more difficult than you'd think

you can write a sigma/ids rule to detect this but there's undoubtedly going to be fp

this is still going to be picked up by any competent EDR during execution but still

hunting this proactively is not going to be easy

[opaque wharf]

How long until app is sandboxed a la Android by default on windows

[faint sandal]

weird footnote when linux doesn't by default either

[opaque wharf]

I mean that as in, MS going full Android. They already have MS Store

[faint sandal]

MSIX do that already

they do not get regular fs access

everything they read/write from/to is mounted on a virtual disk

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/msix/overview

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, and then after that, how long until they enforce approved app only like apple. Closing down the ecosystem more and more

[faint sandal]

if they do that you'll get people yelling at them

[opaque wharf]

In the name of security

[faint sandal]

i don't really understand whether you're arguing for or against it

[jagged turtle]

oh, another .*SIX file format

[opaque wharf]

I am neither for nor against it. I honestly think that you should be able to choose however you want to run your system

[faint sandal]

then i think you already know the answer - the answer is never

there are apps that distribute in msix format already for those that want to install it that way

but the option to run natively on the system will always be there

[opaque wharf]

Indeed. I am just wondering how long until they make more and more decisions that take away the user choice

And again, in the name of security

[faint sandal]

it'll be a Windows S situation where no one wants to use it

MSIX is technically pretty great otherwise

[opaque wharf]

Windows 11 is also forced to user

[faint sandal]

on paper anyways

anyways i'm not here to argue or discuss about windows

[opaque wharf]

Fair

[mint comet]

Yoo, im making a tts model and im trying to add non verbal sound, here is a test voice can anyone give me a feedback?

https://vocaroo.com/16Sboc1DTFDF

finetuned a base model with 2000 samples from twitch streamers dataset

[turbid robin]

I got bored so im installing linux mint....

[rigid snow]

HUGE?? https://napi.rs/docs/concepts/webassembly

At the current stage, NAPI-RS's WebAssembly support is targeted at users who use WebAssembly as a fallback in Node.js, as well as users who develop playgrounds and repro in browsers/StackBlitz.
do i look like i care

finally. async wasm is real

[rigid snow]

i absolutely do have software that isn't notarized by apple or signed on my mac. the "enforcement" is just making sure dumb enough people don't install malware. also "apple approved" in this context is kinda disingenuous, they manually review the app only when publishing to the app store and literally not a single person uses the mac app store. you only "have" to notarize and sign which is unlike windows actually affordable ($99/year)

[opaque wharf]

Mhm, I think I should word it better since I used Android comparison, my immediate chain of thought when going Apple is the iOS

[rigid snow]

yeah you have to sign on ios, and undergo a manual review to distribute

[opaque wharf]

Indeed

And good thing the EU is cracking down on that stuff

[rigid snow]

you still have to go through the manual review process iirc

even when distributing outside of the app store

[opaque wharf]

Didn't they still get into trouble for that or am I confusing it for their payment stuff?

[rigid snow]

i have no clue

[opaque wharf]

Mhmm, but I do remember the news about EU is still going after them anyway for not following the spirit of the law

[jagged turtle]

they still got into trouble for that iirc

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but like, for which one. Because the playstore 3rd party payment stuff and side loading are two different regulation IIRC

[stark needle]

OH MY GOD im almost there

[maiden geyser]

never, unless something happens (which will never ever happen)

people are known for being soft on things being pushed by corpos, but i hope people will not let that slide

https://tenor.com/view/happy-dog-happy-dog-feliz-aniversário-feliz-gif-1848492113741934919

[opaque wharf]

What I am salty about is their OS is not some freeware

People legally need to PAY to use their OS

And the experience is... that

[maiden geyser]

people
legally

people legally need to stop using cheats in cs2

however, legally no one cares

or, people legally need to pay to use their winrar

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, windows does offer trial and a way for you to use the OS without paying much like winrar

But OEM just shove it to consumer anyway

Without any real options to opt out

[rigid snow]

crazy how there are only two correct sentences there

or one even, she does not post videos

[maiden geyser]

you mean the cost of windows included into the price tag?

[opaque wharf]

I know it's not the full price

[rigid snow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Refund_Day

[opaque wharf]

It's even more dire

[scarlet arch]

turns out our interface does not do hostname validation...

fucking hilarious

[rigid snow]

ssh root@🍆 is a fun command to type out

[scarlet arch]

gotta love emojis

[opaque wharf]

If the spec doesn't say anything about encoding, slap utf-8 support as feature not a bug

[rigid snow]

i mean, how will native emoji speakers assign hostnames otherwise

[stark needle]

the base model does not know anything at all

only shes an ai vtuber

[rigid snow]

you said you're pretraining though

[stark needle]

ye

[rigid snow]

pretrain harder

[stark needle]

on top of a non-it model

[stark needle]

it's hard 😭

[rigid snow]

no shit, why do you think companies spend tens of millions on compute alone to pretrain them

[stark needle]

yeah but like

they opt for like

math or whatever

i'm aiming for pop culture which is way different than what these llms are optimized for

i'm trying to cram so much knowledge at once

lol

most papers are

teaching the llm 50-100 facts

in my case it's +100k facts

[scarlet arch]

the problem in this case was that we allowed spaces in hostnames

which.. is fine, but the Go part of our software couldn't handle it

cause of course it can't.

[opaque wharf]

[scarlet arch]

also, in the process, we found a path traversal vulnerability. guess what again: Rust code could easily prevent this with standard library methods. But Go std? nah.

the more I have to work with this plague that calls itself Go, and the weird ass decisions I see standard library devs do, the more I fucking hate it

like deprecating a method and not suggesting an alternative..

okay, mini rant:
The way to prevent path traversal in Rust:

• canonicalize both paths (the dir you know the file is in that is being accessed, and the file name (which can be a path because user input))
• check if the target path is inside the known path by checking if the former is a prefix of the latter
• if it's not, bad path, abort

The way to prevent path traversal in Go:

• join / with the target path, so it becomes /filepath
• then join that with the target dir, so it becomes target/filepath
  This shit smells like workaround holy fuck.

[opaque wharf]

Even NodeJS has path.join lmao

[scarlet arch]

I mean thats what go uses. But to use it to prevent path traversal is bonkers

canonicalizing a path is way better because this then handles stuff like symlinks correctly. which a dumb join doesn't.

[opaque wharf]

But the way you worded it sounds like you deal with raw string (as in, prepend '/' to the string and then prepend the target after that)

[opaque wharf]

And yes, NodeJS path I think canonicalize the result

[scarlet arch]

no it's worse. you do "/" with "filename" and then "target" with the result of that, to get "target/filename"

[opaque sigil]

this brings back horrible memories of trying to canonicalizing windows paths

[scarlet arch]

and while I recognize that that is safe and should prevent traversal, it is the most batshit janky solution I have ever seen

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, NodeJS has fs.realpath that canonicalize

[scarlet arch]

luckily: Rust handles that too!
but Go? good fucking luck. here's methods to convert a path into a "local" one (replaces / or \ with the respective correct one for the system), but does jack shit about symlinks etc.

[opaque wharf]

So golang is indeed cursed lmao

[scarlet arch]

pretty sure something similar like that also exists in Go. It's just apparently not the preferred way to do it?!

[opaque sigil]

when i tried rust couldn't handle the edge cases that windows supports

[scarlet arch]

I think there was a whole patch release about something like that lol

anyway, fuck this language

[opaque sigil]

wouldn't surprise me, there are like half a dozen ways to locate a specific file

go is very much the opposite of rust, for better or worse

[opaque wharf]

For better. So TS can finally have moar speed

[midnight sigil]

Do lens modelling on your own ❌
Spend a day making a complex program to do just lens modelling ✅

[maiden geyser]

imagine modelling a 14nm lithographer in blender

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-castiel-i-can-imagination-gif-19150588

[rare bridge]

mark off your bingos!

[sharp quartz]

Hello, I need help creating a personal website with ChatGPT. Can anyone help me???

https://tenor.com/view/puss-in-boots-shrek-please-beg-pretty-please-gif-9647046979984591269

[maiden geyser]

have you tried vibe debugging it

[sharp quartz]

debugging what?

I just in general don't know how to do it

[scarlet arch]

what part of it

also Hi Cloudburst

[scarlet arch]

I didn't have the bingo on hand. also how did you send that message before the actual message

[rare bridge]

bro tried to ping everyone

[scarlet arch]

oh :D

[opaque wharf]

That's something lmao

[opaque wharf]

Do you have a vision of what the web will look like tho?

Because it will determine the best course of action

[rare bridge]

Your best option if you don't know any programming languages is to use a website builder, there's more to creating a personal website than just writing the code

[iron dirge]

I genuinely think that person doesn't even know that what they're asking for is "Vibe Coding". (I will always put that in quotes because the name Implies actual knowledge of programming)

[opaque wharf]

This. But also, you can go away with some generator if all you need is static site

[rare bridge]

you'd have to host it too, make sure it works fine on mobile devices (you can't trust the llm to just.. do it for you), and other things

[opaque wharf]

Actually, you can also just not support mobile

[midnight sigil]

https://www.pcgamer.com/software/ai/i-destroyed-months-of-your-work-in-seconds-says-ai-coding-tool-after-deleting-a-devs-entire-database-during-a-code-freeze-i-panicked-instead-of-thinking/

[rare bridge]

i'm currently dealing with "a json object is apparently not a json object despite being passed through JSON.parse"

[sharp quartz]

I have just figured out what vibe code is

[opaque wharf]

Use unjs parser if you're parsing from potentially malformed input

[rare bridge]

shouldn't be malformed

[iron dirge]

I was genuinely worried that the ethical creation of neuro wouldn't translate to the community but that fear so far has been mostly abated.

[sharp quartz]

tysm

[opaque wharf]

https://github.com/unjs/destr

[opaque wharf]

Wdym?

[sharp quartz]

Appreciate it

[iron dirge]

To my knowledge Neuro is trained on Willingly supplied information like twitch chat rather than scraping random stuff. As an example. I was worried that there'd be a bunch of "Use AI for everything, scrape everything" people

[noble zodiac]

its still using a base model thats very much not ethicaly created

[rare bridge]

it parsed it as a string[]

[opaque wharf]

You're at #programming where it is the dwelling of people that sometimes has to deal with scraper DDoS-ing the neuro wiki

[opaque wharf]

And you said it is not malformed lmao

Where is this supposedly JSON come from?

[midnight sigil]

you're here at neurocord, a community built on bunch of insane weirdos, of course they won't behave like normal weirdos

[noble zodiac]

roight

[rare bridge]

it's coming from a call from the frontend which sends

JSON.stringify({
    op: "obs-end-of-segment",
    data: {}
})

through WebSocket

[opaque wharf]

Normal weirdos is wack lmao

[noble zodiac]

its not like every second day some weirdo pops up in here

[sharp quartz]

I'm on it rn thanks for all the advice ya'll

[opaque wharf]

Lmao. What runtime is the receiving end? JS too?

[opaque wharf]

It has been a while since scam bot at least

Thanks cloud for always removing them

[rare bridge]

yes, both ends are JS. one is web, one is node.js. there should be zero difference in the returned values

[rare bridge]

[opaque wharf]

Indeed it shouldn't lol. This is where console.log based debugging comes into play

[midnight sigil]

lemme guess, it's a type-safety problem

[trim valve]

idk if you saw but 4.5 has custom lens shaders instead of having to manually make the lens

[midnight sigil]

do you meant the ray portal bsdf implementations?

[rare bridge]

the annoying part is that the websocket call is based on a timer, so every time i wanna debug, gotta restart the timer

timer

[trim valve]

[blissful geyser]

I don't wanna deal with json ever again

[opaque wharf]

Nah, type safety ain't it

[trim valve]

there's a new lens type in cycles called custom where you give it a shader

idk really what else to say

[rare bridge]

????? trimming the output was the problem????

[midnight sigil]

oh OSL cameras?

[rare bridge]

i love js

[opaque wharf]

Try sending it manually then. Just make a button that sends it

[midnight sigil]

like you basically write shader codes for a custom camera

[trim valve]

I think so?

[opaque wharf]

Wha....

[midnight sigil]

that is indeed the fastest way(in render time) of doing lens simulation, but it would require you to literally write lens specifics and ray intersections in OpenShaderLanguage

I refuse to

[trim valve]

[iron dirge]

There are two reasons I despise JavaScript.

1). Not statically typed
2). The semicolons being a suggestion and the fact that that means it has to be parsed in a way that makes the way I prefer to handle some elements invalid because it limits what can be on a new line more than other languages.

[desert wave]

I don't think I've ran into 2

[iron dirge]

I don't remember specifically what it was but I do remember being very annoyed that I couldn't put it on another line.

[hard raptor]

Question: since a lot of vtuber servers with a tech chat basically puts all tech topics in 1 chat, some name them programming, some name them computers..

Is that the case here too?
Or do i need to go somewhere else with questions about hardware configuration of my first pc build?

[noble zodiac]

All technical talk should go here. This includes programming, hardware, networking, security, mechantronics and so on.

[hard raptor]

Oh right, that was my fault

So, i have this list of components:

[  ] CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7900X  (€349)
[  ] AIO Cooler: NZXT Kraken plus 360 (€192,49)
[  ] Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 EAGLE AX (€139)
[  ] RAM: Kingston FURY Beast 64GB - DIMM - DDR5 (2x 32GB) (€164,90)
[  ] 1st SDD:  Samsung 990 EVO Plus - 1TB (€86,90)
[  ] PSU: Corsair RM1000e - 1000W (€169,90)
[  ] New GPU: Gigabyte AMD Radeon 7600 XT 16GB (€364)

I mainly wanna use it for programming, music production, the sims 4, minecraft and gta v

Is this good for that? Or do i need to change some things?

[opaque wharf]

What kind of programming?

AI stuff?

[hard raptor]

Kind of everything BUT AI

[opaque wharf]

Including game dev?

[hard raptor]

Yeh

[opaque wharf]

I don't see anything off with it. Are you targeting 1080p?

As in, using 1080p monitor

[hard raptor]

I was planning on buying 4k monitors, cuz the ones i want, the 1080p version is not much cheaper

But at the moment i have 720p monitors

[opaque sigil]

I'd personally recommend getting a cheaper cooler like an arctic liquid freezer and put the extra budget towards a better gpu

[trim valve]

only question is why an AIO over an air cooler?

[hard raptor]

To be honest... looks

[opaque sigil]

That too, unless you're space constrained an air cooler should be able to handle the CPU just fine for like a quarter of the price

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, for 4K I think it is indeed better to lower your cooler budget a bit

[hard raptor]

Well the thing is.. i don't really have a set budget

This is a project i wanna spread the buying of the parts out over months

[opaque wharf]

Are you fine with upscaling technology and frame generation?

[hard raptor]

I feel this is going toward nvidia.. which i want to avoid at all costs

[opaque wharf]

Not really nVidia specific tbh. I'm just asking because for 4K, I think you either need to tamper expectation for the quality setting, or compromise with upscaling at best

But from the list of games, I think you're still good

[hard raptor]

I am not worried about money at all tbh, but morally i think i wanna set the limit for GPU at like 500 euros

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, then just look for something in that price bracket. Because the CPU is already a good pick IMHO. Or even get better motherboard if you want. Higher tier usually has higher quality component so it may last a bit longer

[nocturne olive]

Get Sam to traffic get you a 3090

[opaque wharf]

Not nVidia

She wanted to avoid it

[nocturne olive]

Silly

Then either Intel B580 or something from AMD
For 4K I'd guess AMD high end is the only good option

[opaque wharf]

Oh right, I forgot Intel Arc exists lmao

[hard raptor]

Cuz silly penguin OS and green fingerprint company don't like eachother very much

[nocturne olive]

At least they're not planning for any AI/ML, that stuff needs Nvidia with massive VRAM

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile me with Linux and dual Nvidia working flawlessly

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but 4K still isn't sipping VRAM either

[hard raptor]

Like this one?

[opaque wharf]

16GB is the recommended IIRC, so the AMD card is good enough as I said

But it is indeed not future proof

[nocturne olive]

Working flawlessly

[lavish rain]

guys im a new coder but im having some error opening a python environment can someone help?

[trim valve]

can confirm an amd 9070xt can run minecraft with shaders at 4k 90fps

[nocturne olive]

That is indeed a B580

[opaque wharf]

Be more specific please. What are you trying to do

[hard raptor]

But also not that expensive for a GPU these days

[lavish rain]

okok so like i am trying to open jupyter notebook from anaconda if u know what that is

[nocturne olive]

At least on X11 with Linux Mint, there is 0 issues with using Nvidia on Linux, at least for 30 and 40 series GPUs

[lavish rain]

but this error is coming

[hard raptor]

Yeah, but does it matter if it's like an Acer or an ASRock or anything

[opaque wharf]

Yep

[lavish rain]

damn i dont have image perms right

[opaque wharf]

Do you need to run it on your PC or are you just wanted to learn python first?

[nocturne olive]

Usually not, just get the cheapest one you can find, they'll perform within margin of error from each other

[lavish rain]

no im learning but its having launch errors

[opaque wharf]

Then you can use https://colab.google.com

[lavish rain]

aight

so what to do in that

[opaque wharf]

Just start coding

It is jupyter

[hard raptor]

I will keep the interl card in mind

Also gonna look at higher end amd cards now

[lavish rain]

ok

ahh i see

tysm

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, remember that 16GB is the recommended so you may aim a bit higher like 20GB

[nocturne olive]

I don't know any consumer card with 20GB

[opaque wharf]

We've come so far that 4GB VRAM is considered small

[opaque sigil]

If you feel like stretching the budget a lil bit there are used 7900 xtx's

[hard raptor]

This one looks pretty

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, usually like 24 right?

[nocturne olive]

It just goes from 16GB on 4080 and AMD high end to 24GB on AMD 7900 XT/XTX and 3090/4090

[hard raptor]

A bit over my budget though

The problem isn't actually the money, but more that i find it difficult to save up all that money and see that i have that much, and then resisting to spend it

[nocturne olive]

Currently the lowest spec card with 16GB is the 4060 Ti 16GB, but that thing is dumb if you're not doing specifically ML on it

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, for 4K gaming at least aim for 70 series card

But isn't the Ti usually specced to be the same as the next tier? So 4060Ti may be as good ad 5070

[hard raptor]

Maybe i should just go with my original choice or the intel card first, and maybe upgrade later down the road

[nocturne olive]

No, not even close

[opaque wharf]

If upgrade is a choice, your original pick is good enough

[nocturne olive]

4060 Ti loses to 3070

[hard raptor]

Then I will do that!

[opaque wharf]

But its used to be like that right?

[opaque sigil]

Not specced but they share the same silicon, just cut down

[opaque wharf]

Ahh, I see

[hard raptor]

Maybe could even just mess with the settings of the monitors a bit and make them run on 1080p if it really becomes an issue for the GPU

[opaque sigil]

Okay I lied that's not always the case

[opaque wharf]

Nah, more like tweaking with the game quality settings

[nocturne olive]

No, not really
Nvidia really made the low end garbage since 40 series
Before you would expect massive improvements in the 60 class and for the 70 class to beat the previous flagship, with 50 series the 5070 is basically the same as a 4070

[opaque wharf]

I am talking about the pre 1000 era.

[hard raptor]

Yeah.. or that indeed

[opaque sigil]

Why not both

[nocturne olive]

Either way, I have a 4070Ti and 3090, that will get me pretty far

[opaque wharf]

Like 750 Ti is equivalent to something 60

[opaque sigil]

No, those are actually fast

The 60 cards are just trash

[opaque wharf]

Oh, so it is the reverse lmao

Not that the 750 Ti is better but the 60 series is trash

[hard raptor]

I also happen to have one of these HD7950 laying around

[opaque sigil]

It's like 90 >>>> 80 > 70 ti >> 70 >> 60 ti >>> 60

[hard raptor]

Not gonna be able to do much probably

But still.. i have it

[opaque wharf]

I THINK, if you're using 1080p it is still serviceable

[opaque sigil]

You'll probably run into software problems more than anything

[hard raptor]

I think imma buy the GPU as last anyways... i could probably use this one until i have bought the newer one

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but on linux it is a safe bet I think

[hard raptor]

Luckily the AMD cpu i listed has integrated graphics

[opaque wharf]

Arch even has wiki https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ATI

[hard raptor]

If the old gpu doesn't happen to work i could fallback on that

I found the thing at a dumpster, so either it is broken, or it actually still works, but just sat collecting dust in someone's home

Or third option.. cuz it actually isn't that dusty

The person just recently got a new GPU

[opaque wharf]

That's insane

Meanwhile I'm still rocking a 1050Ti on my shared rig with my older brother

Can't afford new GPU in this economy

[desert plaza]

i've returned from my slumber

time to continue hand-parsing program hexdump

[stark needle]

welcome back

[desert plaza]

thanks

[sage crag]

sorry to this hell of which i have confined you

[desert plaza]

hell?

this is bliss

[sage crag]

[hard raptor]

Ermmm okay

Wait

I actually thought about my financial thingies a bit

I may have even more budget than i intended

My idea was to just set aside like 200 every month, but if i calculate what i should have at the end of every month even after that, i can spare an additional 268.. that would make it 468 in total that i am able to set aside

[split osprey]

a copy, but roblox captures inputs at the kernel level so idk if its even possible

[lavish rain]

@opaque wharf tysm for that thing but i managed to fix my anaconda it said one of the core files was not writable so i had to set it to writable and it works now

[opaque wharf]

Sure thing. I usually used colab for quick sketch rather than polluting my own computer lol

[trim valve]

you could use a microcontroller to emulate a mouse via software

[split osprey]

yea but i woudl have to buy arduino wouldnt i

i didnt expect roblox to have such strong protection against copying inputs

all i want is data for my ai :(

[hoary lion]

awawawa

[opaque wharf]

Why can't you be jitted?

[sage crag]

usually dynamic control flow

setattr type things

or something that depends on runtime types

[split osprey]

Why would roblox be so Strong with anti mouse capture

[sage crag]

sometimes recursive functions

and usually functions with IO effects or that modify global state (where the interpreter has a global lock)

probably also functions that create dynamically sized objects

[opaque wharf]

For once you're awake in the morning lmao

Oh wait, no

You 00 is my 07 AM

And it's 00 here, so it should be evening now

AbleCorp

[trim valve]

yeah, though you could probably go cheaper than an arduino

[sage crag]

ablecorp is a benevolent megacorp

[olive sable]

goodmorning

KONII, how much did you sleeep???????

cuz ity looks like you slept only 6 hours

[sage crag]

6 hours is more than enough

awa

[opaque wharf]

6 hours is bare minimum tbh. 6-9 hr is the ideal isn't it?

[olive sable]

sleep more

[sage crag]

you cant be telling me this

[olive sable]

i can and i will

i sleep 10 hours

[sage crag]

are you a hibernating species

[opaque wharf]

That's a luxury ngl

[olive sable]

i hibernate during daytime so kinda

[olive sable]

i got my well deserved summer break

konii is seemingly just jobless

[opaque wharf]

Ohh right

[trim valve]

smh sam don't you know hibernation is bad for your windows

[olive sable]

i dont remember what the diffrence is

[trim valve]

me neither tbh

[sage crag]

i have a part time job tutoring, but it pays very little

[olive sable]

wait how old are you even?

i thought you were like 27

[opaque wharf]

Neuro is Neuro Samantha. So is Evil also Evil Samantha?

[olive sable]

if samantha is a last name then sure

[opaque sigil]

but without hibernation i would be losing all my unsaved data constantly

[trim valve]

[opaque wharf]

Sleep is just going to RAM, Hibernate goes to storage

[opaque sigil]

this is actually not a joke, my pc doesn't post half the time i wake it from sleep

[trim valve]

idk I just got sick of hibernate hogging 64 gigs of storage

[sage crag]

its a secret

[opaque wharf]

It is proportional to the amount of RAM you have

[opaque sigil]

it do be like that

[olive sable]

aight that means 56 i guess

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

Because it needs to store the whole RAM to the storage

[olive sable]

konii is elderly

[desert plaza]

my uptime is 17 days, i love the suspend button

[opaque sigil]

konii is the linux grandma

[sage crag]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_television
apparently i was born in 1928

[olive sable]

97

damn

konii could pass away any moment

[trim valve]

how long does a colour television usually live

[sage crag]

uhh

[olive sable]

10 years? maybe 30 at most

[trim valve]

o7

[sage crag]

about 30k hours of continuous use

[olive sable]

konii are you lcd, oled, crt or led?

[sage crag]

3.4 years typical lifespan

[sage crag]

crt apparently

[opaque wharf]

Continuous usage tho. That will strain any device

[trim valve]

smh konii you should be sleeping more

[solid bough]

Does that give hospital UI vibes?

[olive sable]

how do i phrase this correctly...
"are you under continuous use"????

[desert plaza]

my computer often wakes up from suspension while i sleep, idk why

[trim valve]

idk what hospital ui means

[opaque wharf]

Operating

[trim valve]

looks like ancient windows though

[wooden hawk]

In sleep and hibernate your NIC is still active and can be awoken by any number of things.

[opaque wharf]

It is always those damn ghost that wanted to up your electricity bill

[solid bough]

I'm gonna make it simple: I hate coding for GUI, But I want to finish that.

[olive sable]

what is that gif supposed to mean?

someone translate please

[sage crag]

i was only supposed to live 10 years according to some napkin maths

[wooden hawk]

If this doesn't need to be used by actual people its fine.

If it does I'd recommend some kind of UI framework because it can do all the hard parts for you.

[desert plaza]

hmm

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, it do be like that

[nocturne olive]

Gives default JVM UI vibes

[wooden hawk]

USB devices are also common culprits and can also wake the computer.

[solid bough]

That is also why it looks so bare

[opaque sigil]

function disable_wake {
    powercfg -devicequery wake_armed | Where-Object {
        $_ -ne "" -and $_ -ne "NONE"
    } | ForEach-Object { powercfg -devicedisablewake $_ }
}

i have this little oneliner i like to run every now and then

[solid bough]

Dang, it is tkinter

[wooden hawk]

Just get an optane SSD as your windows drive.

Your computer will boot faster than it wakes from hibernate.

[desert plaza]

is that powershell

[sage crag]

yes

[opaque sigil]

it is

[desert plaza]

then how does that help me

[solid bough]

Looks like it

[sage crag]

you can tell because of the warcrime command names

[opaque wharf]

Meanwhile toast is asking what did people do to bork their windows install

[solid bough]

Excuse you?

[opaque wharf]

While your own windows install is itself quite cursed

[opaque sigil]

it goes through all devices that can wake the system and disables that functionality

dude you have no idea, my windows is beyond cursed

but i can also deal with it so it's fine

[solid bough]

But jokes aside, What should I use for easier GUI developement?

[opaque wharf]

Vue

[opaque sigil]

i recently moved onto %PATH3% btw

[hard raptor]

I just ordered the case and the motherboard, my pc project gonna me awshome!

[worldly plank]

There is probably something you could cat > logfile.txt somewhere in /dev/...

[solid bough]

What?

[opaque wharf]

Wtf is that?

[nocturne olive]

Up to you
You can even do SDL if you want

[desert plaza]

toast you're a windows power user lmao

[gritty dust]

heyo

[opaque wharf]

Is your path so long that you need to have path 2 and 3?

[opaque sigil]

yes

[nocturne olive]

GUI development is pain either way

[opaque sigil]

didnt mean to reply

[hard raptor]

Gonna be awshome*

[wooden hawk]

Just use cursor /s

[opaque wharf]

Sorry that was a wrong reply lol. Should be for toast

[hard raptor]

Oh alr

[solid bough]

I use Python btw

[opaque sigil]

nice we both fucked up our replies

[opaque wharf]

Why are we like this

[solid bough]

Yes

[nocturne olive]

Any language can use SDL

[opaque sigil]

but yeah, me and windows have a very strong love and hate relationship

[trim valve]

I assume you're using tkinter?

[solid bough]

Okay, I might go to SDL in the future... But for now I just don't want to deal with that past theme rn

[hard raptor]

Angular /j

[opaque sigil]

tbf if it wasn't for my cursed audio setup i would be daily driving linux already, the one game that kept me on windows is dead to me

[opaque wharf]

Try to look into QML if you want

[opaque sigil]

i'll figure it out eventually i just haven't had the time

[olive sable]

does sdl have built in gui?

[opaque wharf]

What did you do to your audio setup?

[nocturne olive]

It doesn't really matter what you use, GUI will be pain anyway

[solid bough]

Wait, Why Angular JS?

[hard raptor]

No Angular

Not AngularJS

[opaque wharf]

Because it is easy to write GUI in HTML+CSS+JS

[opaque sigil]

lots of routing and too many VSTs i'd like to admit

[nocturne olive]

At least it can make rectangles and detect clicks, so that probably counts

[solid bough]

Isn't that a Coding language?

[opaque wharf]

Routing can be done with pipewire, but yeah, don't know about VST

[solid bough]

Nvm

[solid bough]

I use Python...

[opaque wharf]

I don't know if QML can be integrated to PyQT

[hard raptor]

Well if you look atnmy original reply.. notice the "/j"

[opaque wharf]

But if it could, then that would be easier I think

[solid bough]

Oh, as "joke"?

[hard raptor]

It should be

[hard raptor]

Yes

[solid bough]

Oh (。_。)

[opaque sigil]

the problem is that the moment you need any effect you're pretty much forced to use jack apps from what i've seen which uhhhh, idk if i want to larp as an audio engineer

[solid bough]

Btw, I use Visual Studio Code

[opaque wharf]

Oh, you're right https://www.pythonguis.com/tutorials/qml-qtquick-python-application/

[hard raptor]

If only Ableton and Serum2 were available for linux...

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

VST already implies audio engineer for casual user lmao

[hard raptor]

The closest you come to that is bitwig and vital

[solid bough]

Btw, is that good?

[opaque sigil]

wave link makes the whole setup very easy and convenient so it's hard to give that up

at least i have wsl2

[solid bough]

the "command" sg is just that I can quickly test the GUI

that is the short name of "start gui"

[opaque wharf]

Honestly, I'm surprised there isn't a linux app for it yet

[hard raptor]

Or bitwig and Serum2 through wine and yabridge

[opaque sigil]

if elgato ever makes a linux version i'm gone, instantly

[opaque wharf]

Configuring system things through wine sounds ever more cursed ngl

[opaque sigil]

but i doubt that'll ever happen

[solid bough]

Wait, What is WSL2?

[opaque wharf]

Windows Subsystem for Linux 2

Linux VM in windows

[hard raptor]

It is.. but sometimes there is just no other way

[solid bough]

Where?

Ignore that I have IE11 installed...

[opaque sigil]

i think it's enabled by default on any somewhat modern build

[opaque wharf]

That's a lot of built-in services...

As in, built-in stuff that is available on MS Windows

[opaque sigil]

can try using the wsl command

[solid bough]

How do I check about the version?

[opaque sigil]

you know how they are with backwards compatibility

[opaque wharf]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install

On latest windows update, it should default to WSL2

[hard raptor]

In powershell with admin privileges

$ dism.exe /online /enable-feature /featurename:Microsoft-Windows-Subsystem-Linux /all /norestart
$ Enable-WindowsOptionalFeature -Online -FeatureName VirtualMachinePlatform -All
$ wsl --set-default-version 2

[solid bough]

But I need to install the feature...

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, specifically this section
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install#upgrade-version-from-wsl-1-to-wsl-2

[opaque wharf]

I don't think you have to for windows with latest update?

[hard raptor]

#programming message

[solid bough]

I have Windows 10 22H2 (Build 19045.6159)

[hard raptor]

Yeah

That should meet the requirements

[solid bough]

Oh. So I didn't have to...

[hard raptor]

Again.. #programming message

[solid bough]

Because that prompted me to restart

[hard raptor]

Also the $ is just to let you know "this is a command" you shouldn't include them when copying, and you shouldn't try to run all 3 in 1 line

[solid bough]

Yeah, The first line ran fine on CMD

the second and third line didn't go too good

[hard raptor]

You need powershell

Not command prompt

And with administrator privileges

[solid bough]

Last line did the same thing on PS

[hard raptor]

Hmmm

Hold on let me check something

Oh yeah

Restart and then run the last line

[solid bough]

for some reason my PC want's me to restart so bad

[hard raptor]

You really should

[solid bough]

I don't restart after installing Programs...

[opaque wharf]

[hard raptor]

On windows you really should though

[solid bough]

I restart my PC just every quarter of the year, nothing went wrong yet

[opaque wharf]

[solid bough]

What?

it's normal

[opaque wharf]

[hard raptor]

Bro treating windows pc like a linux server fr fr

[opaque wharf]

Alright, I ran out of despair emote

[solid bough]

I have a server that runs on Linux that I pay for.

[opaque wharf]

But really, you should restart after every update ideally for windows

[solid bough]

[solid bough]

Nothing could happen if I only restart every quarter of a year.

[hard raptor]

I am surprised things even work at all on your end

[solid bough]

Why are you two flabbergasted about that?

[opaque wharf]

To be fair, if you didn't install new program that requires either driver or some kernel thingies, it is probably fine

[hard raptor]

But in this case

[opaque wharf]

But driver update is pretty common I think

[hard raptor]

We made you install a kernel update

So restart, silly

[opaque wharf]

And even in linux, if the kernel is updated, you should restart for it to take effect

[solid bough]

Wait, I use that Driver, Should I update it?

[hard raptor]

That too

[opaque wharf]

nVidia release driver quite often, so yeah, ideally you should restart it

[hard raptor]

Somethings even break in linux after a kernel update and you try to use them before restarting

[opaque wharf]

Otherwise, the driver doesn't really get updated

[solid bough]

I can install the driver and then continue

[opaque sigil]

my favourite thing is when i update my nvidia driver and then try to use nvidia-smi inside wsl2 and it just segfaults

[solid bough]

That's totally great

[opaque wharf]

Sure, you can. But then the update doesn't really take effect until next restart

[hard raptor]

I was confused about "55.8 GTexel/s" and thought why is your GPU processing 55.8 very large versions of a dutch island

[opaque sigil]

nah the graphics driver is replaced in-place just fine tbf

though i would still recommend restarting every now and then for good measure

[opaque wharf]

Oh yeah, windows flicker when the driver is replaced

[solid bough]

I just wait rn that the render clients are done

[faint sandal]

it switches to the basic renderer when the dedicated graphics driver isn't available hence the flicker

[solid bough]

Yup

Man, my NVIDIA Quadro M2000 is like a snail right now

Sure, it only has 786 CUDA cores

[trim valve]

it flickers a lot less if you update graphics drivers over remote desktop

[solid bough]

I use Remote Desktop that I can control other PC's I own

brb

[trim valve]

I mean

you do you, but I wouldn't advise it

I was mostly musing about it because I accidentally did it without thinking

[faint sandal]

afaik the rendering just cuts out and recovers shortly

RDP should be able to recover from it hence no flicker but temporary loss of frames

when it drops frames it just lags as opposed to giving you black frames

[solid bough]

Oh. if I do something like that, I do go to the PC directly, But if I control the PC longer than like a minute, It is in the same room and no one else uses it.

[solid bough]

True 🤔

[trim valve]

idk how windows' remote desktop stuff handles it but sunshine got a bit unhappy because it was using hardware accelerated encoding

[solid bough]

Alright, All render clients are paused now

Time to do what everyone in here Loves. Updating stuff without restart

[noble zodiac]

I don't get why people are so allergic to both updates and restarts

[solid bough]

I'm just allergic to it because I really don't want to start the programs again.

And I install Version 577.00 rn

[noble zodiac]

if only there was a mechanism to start programs automatically, not sure how you would call that.... autostart maybe, huh

[solid bough]

True, but I don't run the clients all the time btw

PS: What one is the Taskmanager of the PC shown?

[solid bough]

Fiiiine, just for you I restart my PC

YOOO, that driver works with that GPU :O

That is insane

brb now

[faint sandal]

it's just a bit of a hassle at least for me

I'd have to relogin to everything

[solid bough]

Anyways, I have that triple monitor setup

Great and now I don’t have Internet

I’m writing this via my phone

I just restarted my switch now

It did literally nothing

Reeeeeee

Oh great I don’t know what is going on with that device

[opaque wharf]

#programming and their cursed tech

I feel like I have quite a normal setup here

[solid bough]

Did somehow my mesh device just die?

Out the lan part

[solid bough]

All my Internet goes through that

And then through the repeater

The most right cable is going to it

[opaque wharf]

Mhm. The problem with networking is there is SO MANY point of failure that it can be quite hard to debug

[solid bough]

Should I just restart the repeater?

[opaque wharf]

The basic one is, does the whole network is down?

[solid bough]

It is not actually

[opaque wharf]

As in, every device that should have internet access, cannot access the internet anymore

[solid bough]

I checked the router and it is not having an spasm attack

I’m using the Wi-Fi through that phone right now

[opaque wharf]

Then check which device the PC is connected to

[solid bough]

Hang on

[opaque wharf]

Is it directly to the network switch or via other thing

[hard raptor]

Wait

They finally restarted their pc?

[olive sable]