programming

[olive sable]

culling a vertex is not really an option ye. i think billboards will turn out almost as good as 3D for cheaper so thats what im usign rn

at least you got someone to stresstest?

[sage crag]

there is a fuzzer

[olive sable]

fuzzer?

translate your british please

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuzzing

[olive sable]

huh

i thought it was a british word

it sounded like one

[sage crag]

spatial geometry in json parser

[olive sable]

fuzzing anything im doing sounds scary to me

[tender river]

linear optimization in json parser

[sage crag]

optimal strategy is not to play

[amber fractal]

My goal would be to find a method where I can shift around as needed between 3d, 2d, and lots of density options. But geez is that'll be a pain to logic out.

[olive sable]

you can always split the drawcalls

seperate drawcalls are worse in theory, but if it saves more time than it destoys its beneficial

[amber fractal]

I'd almost implement 3d as conjoined but stationary billboards for free culling, just switching which ones are rendered depending on direction.

But yeah that's extra work for not much benifit

[olive sable]

we can just make a billboard rotate towards the camera, its not that expensive

[amber fractal]

Yep

I wanted to try to avoid rotating so that further out I could do like 32x32 mesh of grass without killing fps or looking weird. That was my initial idea for 3d.
Say, maybe that can work. Just a not as precise billboard that doesn't rotate so it can be very large.

[olive sable]

ahhh

[amber fractal]

I guess my idea exists after yours become too dense to handle

Just another method for less compute

[gritty dust]

samm Im finally adding to my github, me so happyy

[tender river]

it works

i now parse it as u32 and then reencode back to u8

a bit wasteful but whatever

i have a fast path just for deserializing structs

that only supports ascii

now that i wrote it i can look at serde code for comparison

and

what psycho wrote this

why is it not 0x10_000

[potent birch]

can anyone help me with this? if i try dashing on floor it gets override by the walking animation , but whenever im on air it does play the animation

and how can i sent messages without putting the actual file in lule

[opaque wharf]

@rare bridge

@real sierra

Thanks

[potent birch]

Tf is those

[opaque wharf]

Oh, the usual

[potent birch]

Oh the Mr beast scam images

[tender river]

i think i'll have to asyncify this

not now but later

hopefully i'll be able to avoid that

[hoary lion]

deb bwabwa

@stark needle

[gritty dust]

funny thing im working on rn about tracking satellite orbits (not done yet) what we think so far lol

[gritty dust]

Goodnight, I'm going to bed

[sage crag]

wahoo

[potent birch]

[opaque wharf]

Did you both have another day without sleep (again)?

[tender river]

i slept for quite a while actually

[sage crag]

o slep

from 2am to 5am

thought i slept longer

[hoary lion]

3hr sleep really kicks away the sleepiness

[sage crag]

hha

not quite

[hoary lion]

awa

sorry for the misinformation then

[sage crag]

[amber fractal]

hour before midnight thoughts, #gen has a monarchy, #NN has a presidency. What do we have here? I guess the question is who'd out of the candidates would actually want it?

[opaque wharf]

We have screeps overlord, Shiro

[amber fractal]

True, but Shiro seems to have entered the nothingness

[opaque wharf]

Well it is what it is

That just means we're back to being disorganized screeps

[amber fractal]

I like to think the title bounces to whoever starts a new trend here

At the moment it may be screeps, but who knows what the next one will be

[opaque wharf]

Mhmm, let's just wait and see

[gritty dust]

uhhh

idk

(also yes I cant sleep so im still awake)

[amber fractal]

[gritty dust]

ooo I guess this is kinda programming, im going to do a death stranding cosplay next year so im designing in CAD the odradek from death stranding atm

[opaque wharf]

https://grabcad.com/library/odradek-scanner-1

[gritty dust]

nuh uh mines cooler because it actually moves on its own with motors

lol

[opaque wharf]

The amount of joint and assembly.... My laptop is screaming at the though of modeling it lmao. I need to get a desktop soon

And that is arguably a simple design

[gritty dust]

yeahhh

[opaque wharf]

Also, it seems like it is achievable with just off-the-shelf high torque servo. Well, good luck making it

[gritty dust]

yeah but I want smooth motion so Im thinking of a small gearing of a bldc or sm

[opaque wharf]

If you have the money, then robotis is the only option I think

[gritty dust]

yeee I am okay going broke doing this lol

[opaque wharf]

Their dynamixel series has a small and FOC driven BLDC with gearing included

https://emanual.robotis.com/docs/en/reference/dxl-selection-guide/

[gritty dust]

i see I see

I need about 1-1.5nm of torque, not a ton but doable I think with parts I currently have

if I make a small custom gearbox with my cnc mill

[opaque wharf]

Oh, if you are comfortable making gearbox then yeah

I think I have discussed about dual stage cycloid before on https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1337733692709146674 if you're interested

[gritty dust]

yeahh I've made a few of those in cad I 3d printed, which I hope translates to metal well haha

[opaque wharf]

It does translates quite well to metal. There's also this cycloid that I am talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvuBCdxfGDg

[gritty dust]

yeahhh I saw this guy (this one in the video was 3d printed tho lol)

[stark needle]

ebay shorts

[gritty dust]

I know it tranaslates to metal well its just I more mean my designs if they translate well to metal haha, shouldve worded it better

[opaque wharf]

Mhmm, but in the original paper it is made using metal

I also wrote a simple solver to find the gearing ratio here #1337733692709146674 message

It will generate the parametric equation needed to make the cycloid

[opaque wharf]

Ahh I see

[gritty dust]

yeee I made one of these before for class a few months ago, very useful bc without it you cry basically haha

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, my solver basically just brute force the possible ratio for double stage reduction lmao. Then from the # of nodes it will construct the equation for both disc since they are 2 different disc

[uneven pulsar]

chat

should the ai bubble eventually pop, and funding for big smart models with their live internet search and all dry up

based on your experience, will there be an affordable current-ish level chatgpt/gemini replacement that all the young people who became dependent on llms will have at hand

[amber fractal]

Nothing that is both smart and fast enough imo. Affordable replacement is a very high bar at the speed AI assistants are expected to be.

[uneven pulsar]

cause like, on the one hand people train and use small ones locally, but you probably can't even run inference with something gpt 4 sized there
on the other hand, i doubt some $10 subscription a month could pay for it either, even with queues and limits involved

and i'm just wondering how hard the average "homework by chatgpt" student in junior high now will crash in second year uni or so if there's no magic chat field to ask things from

[amber fractal]

In general: speed, smartness, and cheapness are in a triangle. Can't have all three

[rough bloom]

I think the necessary hardware will slowly but surely become more affordable, especially if there's more hardware tailored to LLM inference like some TPUs are
LLM inference is mostly constrained by the amount of memory and the memory bandwidth, so LLM inference for current models will just become cheaper and cheaper over time
if it will become cheap enough before the bubble pops is another question

[noble zodiac]

hopefully it will pop sooner than later

[uneven pulsar]

there's also how existing infrastructure will beg to be used at lower prices

after a pop

[amber fractal]

let me yoink that h100 plzandthankyou

[uneven pulsar]

50 bucks please

[rough bloom]

true, there's a whole lot of hardware already around right now that might have a lot less demand

[amber fractal]

I'm willing to see LLMs and image generators burn. I'll give computing and genuine attempts at personification a pass.

[rough bloom]

LLMs can stay, they have genuine usefulness for a lot of people
image generators can burn

[amber fractal]

-# Ignoring the fact I do want to tackle an image generator eventually, just with a small dataset which I have the sole rights to the training data.

[uneven pulsar]

honestly i love llms for search

you can use language to express the query rather than just throw in words you expect to be in the result

nothing else did that

it's an even bigger woah than reverse image search was when it became a thing

tineye and such

that's what it is, anyway

search that asks you questions back

[noble zodiac]

I rather click through 10 pages of search results than disect an LLMs response on whether its trying to gaslight me and make shit up or not

[glass flower]

using a LLM to search is like using google with extra steps.. because you can't trust the result and have to check anyway. the only llm i use is my autocomplete for vscode, and that runs local

[unkempt citrus]

Also google specifically developed to become really good at providing search results to natural language qestions

before going aall in on ai anyway

[unkempt citrus]

semi autonomous commune

[worldly plank]

And how will the AI-dependent people learn to set up their own AI without an AI telling them?

[uneven pulsar]

i didn't expect them to, i was just thinking "oh yeah they'll be having a jolly bad time"

[stark needle]

A llm just needs to cost <12$/hr to be profitable

Meaning ~4 h200

In terms of replacing a person at minimum wage

[unkempt citrus]

assuming no R&D overhead too

[stark needle]

I mean google did use bert etc which is basically ai

[stark needle]

That's for the llm creators to figure out

Most people dont pretrain their ai

[rare bramble]

imo LLMs are great for discovering things, like what tools / libraries are there for doing X

also use it for recommendations on specific products, like what is the best value X to get

recommending products, I also went through tons of other review channels and usually it's pretty spot on with recommending stuff that review channels also recommend

[stone cedar]

Other kinds of searches that LLMs excel at are the ones where you don't know the actual term for something. It took me like 2 years after learning what ternary statements do to learn what they are called. A quick "Hey what do you call [...]?" would have been great.

[unkempt citrus]

That's something I'll agree on

LLMs are really good in fuzzy tasks

[tender river]

now that i think of it i guess i can understand using 4-digit groups for hex numbers since 4 digits is 2 bytes

[jagged turtle]

guys, stupid question ik, but can you capture network requests and export to HAR in a Node.js environment?

[rough bloom]

might be able to just use Chrome DevTools with Node.js for this
the network part of this seems like a fairly new feature though

[jagged turtle]

hmmm

I got something out at least

[stark needle]

brrrrrrrrrr

✅

someone pls gift me a h200

so i can have this running 24/7

[sage crag]

sure please wait 70 years

i will deliver it to you then

[rigid snow]

someone gift me 10 million united states doller

[tender river]

mrbeasst

image1.png image2.png image3.png image4.png

[sage crag]

no way

[rigid snow]

mods

[sage crag]

chayscammer

[tender river]

[olive sable]

goodmorning

@rare bridge geuss who's birthday it is?

[rare bridge]

shiro's

[olive sable]

true

but also me

[rare bridge]

@cobalt vessel birthday this user

[rigid snow]

hapy birday sam

[sick owl]

So I just discovered that Mistrals tokenizer is roughly twice as efficient as OpenAIs

What the fuck are they doing over there

[olive sable]

mito does bdays

[rough bloom]

SamVanMaele.cpp

[olive sable]

[cobalt vessel]

Happy birthday

[olive sable]

thanks!

[sick owl]

Oh happy birthday Shiro

[rigid snow]

how is calling wasm through a worker so it doesn't block not a solved problem... i mean it kinda is but why does nothing generate glue code for that, i don't want to do that myself and deal with bundling hell

but seems like i have to

[tight tinsel]

happy birthday sam

[warped narwhal]

Happy birthday shiro!

[olive sable]

doesnt emscripten have a solution for that?

the wasm workers

[rigid snow]

i don't care i'm compiling rust

[olive sable]

well uh

i dont do rust so cant help

maybe shuni knows of something?

[rigid snow]

are you stainless steel

[olive sable]

inox was actually a very good source of income for belgium during the industrial revolution

inox = stainless steel

its easier to say inox, hence why we made a cool word for it

[tender river]

birthday sam

shiro color

[olive sable]

i have become purple, destroyer of my eyes

im still red-green colourblind

[rigid snow]

all of this is in a separate package, so i need to make sure the worker script import gets resolved by the consuming bundler*, and then the wasm import from there gets resolved too, alongside making sure that it all transpiles fine fuck the js ecosystem

* the consuming bundler may be anything, i currently have 3 projects using metro (react native), webpack and esbuild that are all going to need to consume this package..

[rough bloom]

I do not
I used Web Workers exactly once and that time I just wrote the glue code

surely there's a solution somewhere in the JS ecosystem

[rare bramble]

🎂 happy birthday SamVanMaele! (and Shiro 🎂 )

[noble zodiac]

I've done that yesterday with rust and wasm. Its not that cumbersome

[olive sable]

awa

[rigid snow]

no there isn't... i thoroughly enjoy how wasm-pack works but wasm code started being too heavy and slow and blocking the server thread significantly. the magic sauce for this problem is new URL('./path-to-thing-to-bundle', import.meta.url) btw i just want to avoid writing the glue code myself while stepping precisely between the mines

[rigid snow]

it really is that cumbersome, i've had issues with bundling the wasm file even in packages from npm

[opaque wharf]

Ma boi is having a birthday

Wish you well and keep your cursed cpp lol

[noble zodiac]

iono what to tell you. I did it and the glue code is like 10 lines of javascript

[rigid snow]

add a worker script in between and it all falls apart

how would it be 10 lines if the wasm library has a ton of stuff

[noble zodiac]

for the worker itself

[rigid snow]

what i'm complaining about in the first place is that there isn't codegen for this. i have to pass messages around instead of just calling the rust functions asynchronously

or write my own abstraction

[noble zodiac]

thats just wasm being wasm. Web worker is a javascript api and you have to go through it

[rigid snow]

no you don't understand. what i will end up doing is similar to electron/tauri ipc

when right now it's just calling the damn function

[noble zodiac]

calling a damn function and having a function run in the background in a web worker are very different things. Sure you can do the first no problem

[rigid snow]

i just want it wrapped in a promise...

[noble zodiac]

ok, then declare it as async and be done with it

[tender river]

bwa you could probably generate the code with proc macros

[rigid snow]

uhh surely that wouldn't do shit about blocking the thread

and you can't spawn threads from wasm

[tender river]

or you could maybe do some js trickery to wrap everything with promises

[rigid snow]

the problem is entirely js side

i mean

it's not a problem

[noble zodiac]

you need worker for threads

[rigid snow]

i know what to do to make it work

i know

i'm just complaining there isn't a solution like a flag to wasm-pack or something

[worldly plank]

Does JavaScript have pointers (or something to the same effect)?

[rigid snow]

i'm in denial about me inevitably writing a lot of glue code

[rough bloom]

there really should just be a "run this function asynchronously in a web worker" primitive
how hard could it be

[rigid snow]

not sure what level you're thinking. technically everything is a pointer in js but it's abstracted away and you can't work with them as pointers

[rigid snow]

YES

[jagged turtle]

what are we talking about now

[worldly plank]

node.js, I think?

[opaque wharf]

From rust or from JS?

[noble zodiac]

because it would make no sense. Web workers are suppose to be longer lived and be driven with message passing. If you abstract that all away you just throw away performance for nothing

[rough bloom]

they can still be longer lived, just keep them around somehow and pass functions as messages

[noble zodiac]

thats like spinning up a new thread for every function you want to run. thats insane

[jagged turtle]

hmm idt so

oh we're talking bout wasm

[noble zodiac]

then you end up with the same interface again

[worldly plank]

Somewhere a while ago, I think I saw something about node.js, at least.

[sage crag]

r

[rigid snow]

import { initWorker } from "wasm-lib"

const wk = initWorker();
await wk.heavyFunction();
wk.stop();

[rough bloom]

no, the point would be to abstract the explicit sending and receiving of messages away from the user and just have everything be normal function calls
AFAIK that is the glue code required to use web workers right now

[worldly plank]

Never mind, it was the JS ecosystem, not node.js specifically.

[opaque wharf]

At that point just use some RPC framework

[rough bloom]

doesn't really matter I think, web workers are a JS API, so you always have to go through JS regardless

[rigid snow]

that is so overkill i was actually thinking of throwing trpc in there but that is so incredibly stupid

[rough bloom]

is that a thing for web workers? especially packaged in a way that doesn't require writing more code than just accepting that you have to write the message passing glue code yourself?

[noble zodiac]

all you have to do is to make a tokio runtime for web worker

[rigid snow]

that has to exist now that you say it

[opaque wharf]

oRPC does not rely on some specific transport I think

So you only need to write a plugin to receive the message from the main thread, and oRPC will take care of the rest

https://orpc.unnoq.com/docs/adapters/message-port

[rigid snow]

i should just make the rust code a microservice at this point. fuck this shit

[noble zodiac]

something went very wrong when microservices seems like a solution

[rigid snow]

complexity 100x-ing when i just don't want to block the thread

[noble zodiac]

but what are you trying to do that would require such an unfathomable amount of glue to explode in complexity lik that

[rough bloom]

looks like a decent approach, but yeah, very much unnecessarily complex
a simple RPC-like approach except that it takes advantage of the structured cloning workers have instead of being built for HTTP first would be nicer

[opaque wharf]

Yep, the whole thing is cursed from the start

[rigid snow]

now that i think about it you might have wanted to hear this: there are typed arrays, Uint8Array in particular, you can kinda work with them as you would with memory

but that's fake pointers

what i meant initially by that everything is a pointer: everything usually is a reference, not a copy, you can swap them around

they're just stored as pointers internally so yeah

[opaque wharf]

const data = {}
function acceptData(x) {
  x["hello"] = "world"
}
acceptData(data)

[rigid snow]

ok i bit the bullet i'm trying to switch to zen from arc because they updated chromium and broke ubo, i'm gonna miss tab sync though

i am officially using a firefox based browser, gg

[opaque wharf]

Tab sync between device?

[rigid snow]

yeah it's real-time in arc

they use firebase under the hood

it hasn't been half an hour and i'm already running into weird firefox shit

[dry charm]

Oh as in, you open in one browser and other opens as well,

[rigid snow]

yep

[dry charm]

cause you can use Firefox Sync (selfhost)

but that is manual

You can browse the other browser for open pages though

[opaque wharf]

Beware that firefox does not support some web api that may be supported in chromium

[dry charm]

It should be the obscure ones no?

Like WebUSB

also I think the Threadworker refresh thing

[rigid snow]

typed my username in, pressed tab, started typing my password out and it switched back to the previous field, here's a recreation

[rigid snow]

oh i'm well aware

[dry charm]

huh

Never encountered that, interesting

[midnight sigil]

guys

[dry charm]

Is this a public page?

[midnight sigil]

I mixed up the cables for my pc's psu and my monitor

[rigid snow]

reddit login

[midnight sigil]

they share the same outlet but have different fuse capabilities

[dry charm]

Strange, for me it does not happen

[midnight sigil]

how do I distinguish them

[rigid snow]

it happened only once i can't repro either

[dry charm]

what, aren1t they the usual outlet plug to the three pin house connector?

(not the outlet)

These aren't supposed to be different

[dry charm]

Very strange

[opaque wharf]

The fuse may be different

[dry charm]

These have fuses?!

[midnight sigil]

one is 5A/250V~, one is 10V/250V~

[dry charm]

I have 0 cable that is fused

[midnight sigil]

WHY WOULDN'T THEY?

[dry charm]

all fuse is in the device

[midnight sigil]

it's 3 pin

[dry charm]

maybe I'm too EU pilled, but NONE of these cables are fused

[opaque wharf]

Adding more safety never hurt in this case. But yeah, it can be a bit excessive

[trim valve]

I always read the fuse lol

though even then 5a @ 240V is less than my PSU can do so 🤷

[dry charm]

Oh defo. I just find it very strange that in the fuse is in the cable and not the device

[opaque wharf]

Easy way is to tape different colored electrical tape or use those paper/masking tape and write a label

[opaque wharf]

The device also have fuse

[trim valve]

or well the plastic in front of the fuse

[dry charm]

Oh yeah, stupid. idk why I wrote that

[midnight sigil]

so it's the 10A 250V one

[trim valve]

hm?

my PSU came with a 13A cable lol

despite being 750w

[dry charm]

13A HOLY

[midnight sigil]

mine's 650w iirc

[trim valve]

idk just give the bigger one to your PSU unless you have some massive 4k ultra wide oled HDR monitor

[opaque sigil]

10/A just feels kinda excessive for a 650W psu

[midnight sigil]

[opaque sigil]

to avoid exactly the situation you're in rn

[midnight sigil]

fair

erm it aktualy a law in our place so they have to put fuses in everything

[dry charm]

oh now I understand why

[opaque sigil]

why

[opaque sigil]

it's probably better this way tbf

[dry charm]

cause law

[opaque sigil]

oh i thought you meant why the law

[midnight sigil]

yea even our household sockets have fuses

[opaque sigil]

we just use circuit breakers

[midnight sigil]

fucking 6-defences type shit

I mean we have 220V 50Hz as our mains electricity

[opaque wharf]

UK

Right?

[midnight sigil]

HK

[opaque wharf]

Oh

Eh, close enough. 1 letter difference

[desert wave]

one of the colonies (please don't hurt me)

[opaque wharf]

I know that UK is even more wacky with their wiring and ring circuit

[midnight sigil]

should've guessed china smh, the population has a larger chance to hit

[opaque wharf]

But but, bayes...

[opaque wharf]

Well, MCB (miniature circuit breaker) is used for whole room / house protection. Fuses are used for per device/outlet. Even on US and Canada the GFCI breaker doesn't have to be installed for the whole house

[sharp dove]

Ok I have a really dumb question but I don’t know where else to ask. Is there a way to turn off the brightness locking at 20% on iOS. I’m not talking about auto-adjustment, I mean I have it set to max brightness and can’t see shit because it locks itself down at 20 for battery preservation despite saying otherwise. It’s kindof unusable like this and I can’t find a setting for it.

[honest scaffold]

happy awa birthday

okay thats enough programming for a month

[sharp dove]

Thermal throttling. I need to disable that

[nocturne olive]

iOS? It's Apple, what did you expect?

[nocturne olive]

Disabling that is a bad idea on any device

Thermal throttling exists for the safety of the device

[sharp dove]

That’s what it thinks it doing I’m pretty sure. That’s why even going into accessibility and turning off all the brightness auto-adjustments I can find still leaves this issue

[sharp dove]

I had a feeling, but I’ve haven’t been able to open my blinds if I want to.. do anything because otherwise I can barely see the screen.

[nocturne olive]

I doubt it's thermal throttling the brightness, Apple is just doing some dumb battery saving stuff

If you get an Apple device, you should expect Apple stupidity on it

Suggestion: don't get Apple devices

Apple is a scam that locks you into their exosystem and then charges stupid prices for anything actually usable

[rare bramble]

might be in battery settings, or if you have battery saving / low power mode on, in there

[sharp dove]

I can’t even find a battery health setting on here, when I tried to go android it ran my primary game.. blurry?? I felt like I needed glasses

[nocturne olive]

Probably you got a phone with a bad or low res screen

[sharp dove]

I could try it again but I only got this tablet recently. I also need something with exchangeable storage and options have been getting extremely limited there

[nocturne olive]

Also why play games on mobile when you could play it on an Android emulator?

[rare bramble]

I mean even 1080p screens are pretty high res for phone screen sizes

[sharp dove]

Mobile is what I know lol. I hate being stuck in a chair and find physical keyboards really uncomfortable, though I’ve been meaning to do something about that. My options are iPad kid or really eccentric gamer setup

[nocturne olive]

iPads are kinda dumb, overpriced thingies
Unless you really need something from the Apple ecosystem that has no alternative on Android platforms, you should just stick to the cheaper Android devices

[olive sable]

Wa is dutch for "what" so mision failed

[opaque wharf]

Maybe that person just thought you were asking what

[sharp dove]

I’ll definitely keep this in mind, but my concern is storage. Do you have any recommendations for android devices with high screen resolution and exchangeable storage? I’m on a 6TB iCloud plan though I think I’ve gotten better since starting that plan

[olive sable]

i doubt it, "wa" is more like slang for when you dont understand what has been said

[nocturne olive]

Cloud storage is not worth it, you'll pay more for it in a few months than you would for the same capacity on local storage

And also I don't know recommendations for your storage situation, I'm a budget phone user myself as I do everything on PC

[sharp dove]

That’s fair, ty for your time

[uneven pulsar]

xAI are jow hiring people with waifu engineering

Man my CE diploma is a fucking joke

[tight tinsel]

theres no way thats real

[uneven pulsar]

It is real

It's not even a joke

xAI legit tweeted about it

[rigid snow]

it definitely is

has been a thing for ages

drops brightness when device too hot

or caps i guess is the more accurate verb here

and no you can’t disable it

[maiden geyser]

and then people will claim it's a real language

[olive sable]

it is

the official word is "wat" but for sms'ing we shorten things to like how we pronounce them

doesnt english do the same thing for shortening things in sms?

[sage crag]

every written language likely has texting abbreviations

[rigid snow]

i think every language does but english in particular went hard on acronyms

[opaque wharf]

Even sign language

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

What I mean is that sign language is not universal

[rigid snow]

is any sign language written

[opaque wharf]

[rigid snow]

i don't think you can sign with emojis

[rare bramble]

why would you write sign language though?

[rigid snow]

[rare bramble]

like bruh, people who cant speak / hear can still read

[olive sable]

instead of "wanneer" we type "wnr"
"ik weet niet" -> "kwn"
its a very efficient system

[opaque wharf]

Well, as I said, sign language is not universal. So you can just design a new language using emoji

[uneven pulsar]

Full stack waifu man my 4 years in cython debug and CE degree getting decimated by a fucking weeb

[uneven pulsar]

Qlso happy birthday sam

[karmic schooner]

isnt there an international sign language or am I trippin

[rigid snow]

"wya? k omw ily"

[olive sable]

what?

[opaque wharf]

There is. But then it's the same situation as esperanto

[rigid snow]

"where you at? ok, on my way, i love you"

[uneven pulsar]

There salary is 200k😭

[sage crag]

yes but typically people will learn either asl or bsl

[karmic schooner]

for the waifu full stack thing??

[uneven pulsar]

It's a real thing and yes 200k

[olive sable]

ahhh
ye i dont parse english sms, i never learned it

[rigid snow]

but you text in english seemingly often

[karmic schooner]

how is it— what do they do I’m actually confused

[uneven pulsar]

And can go too 400k

[olive sable]

if discord counts sure

[opaque wharf]

I don't think discord is a good insight into his communication habit

[uneven pulsar]

xAi tweeted there are hiring people with waifu enegrning degree

I am not even joking bro

[olive sable]

in disocrd people dont use abreviations like that

[opaque wharf]

I'll start using it just to annoy Sam

[rigid snow]

look i don't text in english outside of discord at all and i live in a country that does NOT speak english

[karmic schooner]

is that like an online made up degree bc I refuse to believe any respectable university has that

[uneven pulsar]

It's real

Bro i am not joking

its legit real

[karmic schooner]

what do they even do?

[opaque wharf]

What I meant is that Sam may be texting more often using his native tongue using other medium than texting in english on just discord

[uneven pulsar]

experience in anime waifu and taste and simping and creating waifu content

I swear yo god xAi tweeted it real

[opaque wharf]

So the frequency of his written native language used dwarf that of english

[rigid snow]

what i mean that i'm the exact same and i definitely do so more often but i know those things

[karmic schooner]

Professional simping

HELP

MISPELLED

[opaque wharf]

Ye, and Sam may not do it more often because I just explain in my other message

[karmic schooner]

Ok nvm

Cant say that word

My bad

[opaque sigil]

https://www.emojicode.org/

[olive sable]

id say i type more english then dutch cuz i dont message that many irl people, but the english used on discord is always pretty spelled out, not abreviated

[maiden geyser]

🫱 🫳

[karmic schooner]

You can technically do some sign language

[uneven pulsar]

and it's by xAI it's not even a joke anymore

[rigid snow]

dude i'm telling you good luck even meeting a person that speaks english on a somewhat ok level here nevermind as their native tongue, i imagine chances are probably higher in belgium

[karmic schooner]

Just not the ones with movement

[uneven pulsar]

They even have a whole ass survey about what waifu you favor

[karmic schooner]

That’s crazy

[uneven pulsar]

Imagine being a 10 year cython developer only too see some random guy getting payed 200k$ for being a nami simp

[karmic schooner]

We live in a society

[rigid snow]

what are yall even on about

[karmic schooner]

Then again artists get commissioned to draw cursed things

[rigid snow]

200k is not that out of the ordinary

[uneven pulsar]

If sanji was a real guy he would be a billionaire

[karmic schooner]

Crazy you say that

[uneven pulsar]

It can go too 500k

[maiden geyser]

wild misinput

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I've tried sending that one here before in code tick

Apparently no syntax highlight

[rigid snow]

emoji syntax highlight??

[karmic schooner]

How is that not out of the ordinary??

[rigid snow]

how would that work???? huh?????

[opaque sigil]

[opaque sigil]

in SF it is not

[karmic schooner]

SF?

[opaque wharf]

I don't know, which is why I tried it

[rigid snow]

eng roles in nyc/sf/insert any other insanely expensive place

[opaque sigil]

san francisco, where all the tech companies like to do their things

[karmic schooner]

ohhh yeah true

god I forgot America exists mb

[opaque wharf]

Chad lmao

[karmic schooner]

oh yeah may I ask, how did you guys start coding? Like what software did u use and such

[nocturne olive]

I grabbed IntelliJ IDEA community edition and the Kotlin programming language on JDK 21

That's what I started with

[rigid snow]

notepad++ and ftp

[queen ginkgo]

Yeah lol even somewhere else in the US where I am making that kinda money from programming is unthinkable, San Francisco is just built different

[queen ginkgo]

Visual Studio

[rigid snow]

meh my answer is the most interesting

[midnight sigil]

I started on https://scratch.mit.edu/

technically I started doing "programming" in Minecraft Bedrock Edition, for playing command blocks, if you count that as programming then it's my earliest experience

[karmic schooner]

HELL YEAH

[rigid snow]

i started programming when command blocks weren't a thing yet

that's crazy

[karmic schooner]

I played a bit with that too but it got too complicated for me hahah

[midnight sigil]

by "playing command blocks" I meant doing actual complicated shits within the early limits btw

[karmic schooner]

I don’t actually know much abt programming I just like hearing abt what more experienced ppl have to say

[uneven pulsar]

Man this isn't a joke

[midnight sigil]

using tons of armor stands, tags and scoreboard ids to do rng and detection for item etc

[karmic schooner]

what did kinda stuff did u pull off

[karmic schooner]

We live in a society

[rigid snow]

so just "fullstack rust engineer" got it

[karmic schooner]

I wanna know how so (cause I’m very clueless)

[uneven pulsar]

I want to get a retirement

[karmic schooner]

Yeah I feel that

[maiden geyser]

fishman make him graduate

[uneven pulsar]

Yeah for waifu building

[rigid snow]

because notepad++ and ftp duh?? ||php on servers||

[midnight sigil]

enhanced dragon fight, more intelligent mobs, blood moon, enhanced fishing, enhanced ore generation, pvp with abilities and so on

[midnight sigil]

not all by me ofc, I was just a contributer to a server

[karmic schooner]

that’s awesome

Like vanilla modding

[midnight sigil]

it was crazy, I forgot all the strategies and "hacks" around the limit tho

[rigid snow]

who cares, xai wanted to make hype and a le epic reddit moment and put waifu in the job listing

you're talking about it which means they succeeded

[karmic schooner]

Reminds me of how grok is an anime girl now

[rigid snow]

that's exactly what that is

about

[karmic schooner]

walmart misa

have u seen her dialogue it’s so bad 😭

[desert plaza]

batch scripting in notepad on Windows 8.1

[karmic schooner]

I’m taking notes 📝

[midnight sigil]

"Notice me, senpai!" 💀

[opaque wharf]

Bat scripting

[rigid snow]

🦇

[midnight sigil]

I ain't joking

this is where my first frontend/backend experiences are from

https://freewha.com/

I was coding on my phone

[opaque wharf]

Also vbscript

[karmic schooner]

were u guys self-taught?

[rigid snow]

yeah that's similar to what i started with, hence the notepad++/ftp env

[midnight sigil]

yea very much

[karmic schooner]

does it work well or did u have issues with how it ran

[opaque wharf]

I do have formal ed for coding, but my degree does not focus on sw eng

[midnight sigil]

I found a technique to hide the watermarks

[opaque wharf]

Wait, you're on Phase Connect discord too?

[midnight sigil]

it does work well, yea

pretty cool thing to begin with

[rigid snow]

surely it;s just html injected into the page? also how would that work with content-type that isn't html

[midnight sigil]

I just remove the </html> tag

let renderers do the job

and it did well

[rigid snow]

how does that hide the watermark

[midnight sigil]

maybe it seeks for that tag and append with a div with watermark

it only adds it at the bottom

[rigid snow]

oh interesting

back in my days free hosting didn't have any watermarks

[opaque wharf]

The joys of web where technically non compliance will still work

[rigid snow]

but it technically is compliant

[opaque wharf]

Oh, is it?

[rigid snow]

you don't have to close shit in html

as opposed to xml

[opaque wharf]

Isn't HTML5 stricter?

Or nah?

[rigid snow]

maybe

browsers don't care though

[midnight sigil]

damn

[wet basin]

happy birthday @olive sable

MGuraEyes

cat_pat

[karmic schooner]

How long have you been coding for?

[rigid snow]

mind that was like 10-15 years ago

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

I mean they won't add watermarks if your website didn't reach a certain amount of data usage

[wet basin]

and @opal geode

[wet basin]

Do you remember me

[midnight sigil]

which is like 1gb per month

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that's what I meant by technically non conforming to standard lol

[olive sable]

no

sorry

[rigid snow]

10-15 years somewhere in that range, but i never touched anything but php until like 2016

[karmic schooner]

oohhh

[wet basin]

fr?

I thought I had memory problems

and this guy forgot me

AmeliaSMH

[opaque wharf]

I think you're on the same age bracket as me

[wet basin]

its fine

[rigid snow]

i can promise you i'm not i was a child

i am 21 years old

[karmic schooner]

I’m older than you????

[opaque wharf]

Oh

Yeah, I am 24

[karmic schooner]

my god. kids these days and their tech

[opaque wharf]

Not that older

[karmic schooner]

Anyways what were the first projects you did when you started programming

[rigid snow]

i don't fucking remember

[opaque sigil]

we're the same age???????????

[olive sable]

oh wait i remember maybe

[karmic schooner]

what age did u start coding

[rigid snow]

idk 2012 probably, so 8?

[karmic schooner]

Damn that’s wild

Where did you learn it from?

[olive sable]

ye you're the guy that tried to rizz me up

ye my memory hasnt been the same since i turned 18

im getting old

[opaque wharf]

Lmao, what do you think my age is?

[rigid snow]

youtube tutorials, unregistered hypercam 2 & 009 sound system dreamscape style

[desert plaza]

i thought you'd be older with those Z80 programming skills lmao mb

[karmic schooner]

Classic unregistered hypercam

[opaque wharf]

This is giving me dejavu from the server next door

[wet basin]

I am the guy who was messing around with you together

AmeliaSMH

[opaque wharf]

It's fine tho

[karmic schooner]

what about the others

if you’ve done some

[opal geode]

Huh

[opaque wharf]

This you?

[rigid snow]

i don't miss it so no

[wet basin]

happy birthday

[faint sandal]

thank you for censoring the red default discord avatar

[opal geode]

Thank you

[opaque wharf]

Script kiddies to open and close cd/dvd reader when a flash drive is inserted

Fun times

[karmic schooner]

That’s cool

[rough bloom]

Twitch chatbot in Java
sucked ass of course but was fun to make, very easy to cram random features into

[opaque sigil]

idk but at least half a decade higher

[rigid snow]

just random bullshit, out of those i remember fondly - an ecommerce front for a friend who was dropshipping shirts with his designs back when dropshipping wasn't a word yet

[karmic schooner]

Loremaster icon based

[rigid snow]

his mom used to do that i think and had contacts in china, he jumped on the opportunity, that was like 2015-16 i think

[opaque wharf]

Nah, I just learned a lot of stuff a bit early

[karmic schooner]

what sparked ur interest in it

[opaque wharf]

I think I was playing my first computer game even before kindergarten

[karmic schooner]

Are you 2000s?

[opaque wharf]

Ohh, yeah I remember it is before kindergarten

[rigid snow]

i think i told this here before, i was very legally aquiring cartoons and burning them to dvds when i was 3

at least my mom says so

[opaque wharf]

[karmic schooner]

Yk what that makes sense actually I was gonna ask if computer games even existed back then, then realized 2000 is not that old lmaoo

[opaque wharf]

That's indeed pretty whack lmao

[opaque wharf]

Oh, games existed even in the dos days

[karmic schooner]

Yeah I just remembered the atari console

[opaque wharf]

Was atari a general purpose computer?

I don't think it is?

[karmic schooner]

No it had the oldest games

[rigid snow]

videogames were a thing before pcs were a thing really

[karmic schooner]

Like ping pong and Pac-Man etc

[rigid snow]

ataris are game consoles no?

[opaque wharf]

Yeah. I was thinking more on the line of first game on a general purpose computer

[opaque wharf]

Yes, which is why I ask to clarify if my memory is wrong somehow

[rigid snow]

oh i see the (edited) now

[karmic schooner]

Honestly crazy how fast tech developed in less than a hundred yrs

[opaque wharf]

Not even 50 I think

[karmic schooner]

1843 was when the first computer program was made by Charles Babbage

[rigid snow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0iQpnQITTY relevant short

[karmic schooner]

This is bringing me back to my elementary computer studies days

[trim valve]

the temptation to write something that has metrics just so I can see big number go up is hitting again

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, if we're talking tech in general this century is on a whole other level

[trim valve]

last thrill was my code very much not breaking when I accidentally threw 600 req/s at it

[opaque wharf]

Screeps is calling

[trim valve]

😭

I am tempted by screeps

[karmic schooner]

That’s literally awesome ngl

[karmic schooner]

Do ittt

Give in to the calling

[opaque sigil]

we need notscreeps in nix

[opaque wharf]

Is that a nix thing? Prepending not to something?

[opaque sigil]

i don't actually know, i just saw chay name some of her projects like that

[desert plaza]

i don't think that's a nix thing

[trim valve]

its been in my library for ages 😭

I just

[opaque sigil]

like the blursed notlua

[trim valve]

haven't had the time to play

[desert plaza]

bro what the hell is notlua

[opaque sigil]

https://github.com/chayleaf/notlua it's lua but nix

[trim valve]

what would notscreeps even look like

what if we make a galadiabots-like graphical editor for screeps

(anything but playing screeps)

[desert plaza]

screeps but not ig

[rigid snow]

wasm only

[opaque sigil]

js transpiler in nix i guess

[karmic schooner]

She says but has it on her library

[opaque wharf]

The only interactive piece of functionality here is the comment system, which is done by abusing nginx logs.

Chay...

[opaque sigil]

[karmic schooner]

Is this like, Schrödinger’s code or something

It works but not really

[olive sable]

time to check on my screeps

ngl idk what my screeps are doing cuz theyt still havent repaired the wall in a week time

i keep placing a new one to build and when im back the next day there is no construction site nor a wall

[solid bough]

Is Python 2 accepted to be talked in here?

[olive sable]

yes

altho we would strongly recommend using a more recent version

[karmic schooner]

What’s the most recent version of python

[solid bough]

Okay, I was kidding on that... I use Python 3

[olive sable]

3.14?

[solid bough]

But coding is more of a "it's a hobby" thing.

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

π

πthon

[solid bough]

Pi is 3.14159

[olive sable]

no, pi is irrational, python is only slightly irrational

[solid bough]

Yooo, I just now saw that too

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[opaque wharf]

And I, like a good engineer I am, round it to 3

[solid bough]

Wait, Who did?

[solid bough]

So youused RoundDown ?

and I some times think: Why do I know Pi to 3.14159?

[karmic schooner]

This is such a good quote

[opaque wharf]

No, just round. If pi is somehow 3.5 I'd round it to 4

[solid bough]

Btw, What would you define as "Spaghetti code"?

[opaque wharf]

The safety factor will be huge tho

[olive sable]

you proabbly, you have embed now

[desert plaza]

you did

[solid bough]

Oh no

nvm

[opaque wharf]

Any code older than 5 minutes that is not written by me

[solid bough]

Still oh no

[solid bough]

ngl, my code is still not great...

[opaque wharf]

[stark needle]

HOW MUCH??????

[olive sable]

100K/s

[solid bough]

The output I get with me interpreting that code in my head:
Ma
Ma
Mia let me GO !

I treated every py print("Hello, world!")
as if it makes a newline

Well, I'm gone for a bit, making dinner

[olive sable]

it does

but you forgot to loop

[stark needle]

yea it's actually insane

[olive sable]

youd get
2x Ma Ma Mia
1x Ma Ma Mia let me GO
afaik

with newlines ofcourse

[desert plaza]

yep can confirm it do that

[opaque wharf]

This is how instant noodle is usually served here Sam

[olive sable]

its red

[opaque wharf]

To be fair, it is not that spicy

[olive sable]

altho this is asia standarts of spicy

[opaque wharf]

[olive sable]

i have a high tolerance for spicy but idk if ill compare

[opaque wharf]

We snack on chili with fried food here lmao

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

This is what we call "gorengan" (lit: fried)

That chili is eaten as is along with the snack

[gritty dust]

Woah that looks good

[karmic schooner]

This looks amazing

[olive sable]

damn that looks gud as fuck

[karmic schooner]

Where from?

[sand escarp]

How come I never see programmers having a mental breakdown? They always seem so positive despite the years of trauma of learning

[opaque wharf]

It is, yeah

[opaque wharf]

Indonesia

[karmic schooner]

Alcohol

[olive sable]

the mental breakdowns happen on the daily so it doesnt build up to a big mental breakdown. we just get small ones

[opaque wharf]

Ever seen a commit message?

[olive sable]

alcohol helps too yes

[gritty dust]

Happy birthday Sam

[karmic schooner]

classic comic

[opaque wharf]

Now I'm curious about some of the commit messages here in #programming

[sand escarp]

No, but I feel like that happens on a monthly basis, if not, shorter

[olive sable]

gimem a sec

[opaque wharf]

Hmm, best practice is to commit often. The pull request is usually after a lot of cleanup

[sand escarp]

Wait we are talking about the same thing right?

[dry charm]

HAHAHAHAHHAA

[opaque sigil]

the breakdown happens in silence while spending days debugging some weird issue that happened because someone forgot to wrap something in brackets

[dry charm]

Touching CI always brings in 3 or more mental breakdowns

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

[desert plaza]

[karmic schooner]

You should post these everytime

[opaque wharf]

And when it's time to make a PR you squash it all down to just "add feature C"

[olive sable]

normally i dont push broken builds but local version did work and my github pages demo version was broken

[noble zodiac]

you know, sometimes its ok to squish and force push

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that can happen because the build environment and dev env is different. Which is why docker was first created IIRC

[opaque sigil]

too much effort

[opaque wharf]

So dev, build, and runtime all SHOULD BE THE SAME, MY GOD WHY IS IT NOT THE CASE

[opaque sigil]

sam nix arc when

[olive sable]

gh pages thingy expects me to build on github for some reason. its jsut wasm tho so idk why it can't use the wasm file from my pc

[olive sable]

what is a nix?

[opaque sigil]

actually no, nix doesn't fix that

[opaque wharf]

Package manager

[noble zodiac]

that never stopped a nix user from proposing it

[olive sable]

i have "vcpkg" installed tho

stilld ont know how to use it but i installed sdl with it

[hard raptor]

Hbd

[opaque sigil]

true, there's probably some cursed way someone made it work

[opaque sigil]

good thing we live in the age of the interwebs with lots of information

[opaque wharf]

Chay not lua

[olive sable]

that would require effort tho

[hard raptor]

Lua mentioned?

[opaque wharf]

There is this thing called --help flag usually

[hard raptor]

I heard that someone in the filian discord was working on a lua interpreter in typescript, and they implemented js like bindings and c like bindings into the lua interpreter

[opaque wharf]

You wanna see it? Here, courtesy of toast
https://github.com/chayleaf/notlua

[hard raptor]

Seemed pretty interesting actually

[opaque sigil]

wdym courtesy of me, chay made this

[rigid snow]

git merge --squish

[opaque wharf]

I never knew of Chay github existence

[hard raptor]

This seems like something on the opposite side of the lua spectrum than what I just talked about, also seems interesting though

[rigid snow]

counterpoint https://github.com/TypeScriptToLua/TypeScriptToLua

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I was typing that as you're sending your other message

[hard raptor]

This seems similar to https://github.com/roblox-ts/roblox-ts

Though less domain specific

[rigid snow]

yeah nothing uses luau

which is why they're separate projects i imagine

[hard raptor]

Yeahhh

I just recognized it

[rigid snow]

also while we're on the topic of cursed lua bullshit https://github.com/Roblox/react-lua

[hard raptor]

Oh yeahh

Right...

That exists

[rigid snow]

[hoary turret]

happy bday sam

[solid bough]

Infinite!?

[hard raptor]

React itself sucks.. and then those fricks decided it would be a good idea to port it to luau

Silly roblox ppl

[rigid snow]

*extremely loud incorrect buzzer*

[hard raptor]

What?

[solid bough]

Lua?

[desert plaza]

what

[rigid snow]

you're confusing react with everything usually surrounding react. react is a great library actually

why do you think dioxus exists

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I'm having issue with JSX not react lol

[rigid snow]

you can't do react without jsx tbh

[opaque sigil]

you can't stop me

[rigid snow]

createElement calls don't count

that's stupid

react requires you to desribe ui as an expression

which is why i said you can't really use it without jsx

[hard raptor]

The only place where i can tollerate react is in mobile development

[rigid snow]

well you see? react isn't bad after all, what you really hate is react-dom!

[hard raptor]

For web dev and electron stuff i rather use vue or svelte

[hard raptor]

Ehhh i can't argue with that

[opaque wharf]

Brings out the age old question, when should we treat data as data and not as a program

https://youtu.be/s1ZQnS_tOg0

[hard raptor]

But even then... i just use a minimal library that just abstracts ```js
document.querySelector('.container#main').innerHTML = 'value'

to ```js
html('.container#main').set('value')

It also abstacts handling attributes a bit

And .addEventListener is .on

[rigid snow]

missing the entire point of why react exists... don't need it? good, don't use it

[opaque wharf]

jQuery

[rigid snow]

almost

[hard raptor]

Ehh it is kinda similar.. but even jQuery is huge compared to this

Wait imma get the code rq

export function html(query: string)
{
    const elem = document.querySelector(query);
    const returns: IReturns = { set, on, get, add, attr, env };
    
    function set(code: string) {
      return {
        el:(elem.innerHTML = code),
        _: returns
      };
    }
    function add(code: string) {
      return {
        el:(elem.innerHTML += code),
        _: returns
      };
    }

    function attr(key: string)
    {
        function get()
        {
            return elem.getAttribute(key);
        }
        function set(value: string)
        {
            return elem.setAttribute(key, value);
        }
        function has()
        {
            return elem.hasAttribute(key);
        }
        function remove()
        {
            return elem.removeAttribute(key);
        }
        return {get,set,has,remove}
    }

  function get() {
    return elem;
  }
  function on<K extends keyof HTMLElementEventMap>(
    event: K,
    cb: Function
  ): any {
    return elem?.addEventListener(event, (...ev:any[]) => cb({ ...returns},...ev));
  }
  function env(cb: Function): any {
    return cb(returns);
  }
  return returns;
}

That's it

The types can be done better

But it works

Also i didn't include the interfaces

The missing part:

type Function = (...returns: any[]) => any

export interface IReturns {
  set: (code: string) => {
    el: string,
    _: IReturns
  };
  add: (code: string) =>  {
    el: string,
    _: IReturns
  };
  on: <K extends keyof HTMLElementEventMap>(event: K, cb: (returns:IReturns)=>any) => any;
  get: () => Element | HTMLElement | null;
  attr: (name: string) => {
    get: () => string;
    set: (value: string) => void;
    has: () => boolean;
    remove: () => void;
  };
  env: (cb: (returns:IReturns)=>any) => any;
}

Also maybe i should make the set function in attr be able to to take undefined as its parameter

[opaque wharf]

Neuro is in trouble

Her full name is being used

[hard raptor]

Damn

[desert plaza]

Damn

[small anvil]

just made the full switch to linux

i frickin hate windows

i fully snapped yesterday cause my wifi drivers just stopped working while i was downloading something really important

and i just immediately got my thumbstick with popos on it and just instantly switched

i cant take it bro

[desert plaza]

congrats nex

[opaque sigil]

do they have popOS 24.04 yet, last time i checked it wasn't a thing

[small anvil]

im not sure, i tried out mint 22 xia, but wifi just didnt work on that

for some reason my wifi only works on certain distros

[opaque sigil]

ah

24.04 comes with cosmic

[small anvil]

oh yeah

it actually looks nice

im not sure if im on it

i just had a random distro on my ventoy thumbstick

[opaque sigil]

mind you, it's in alpha

[desert plaza]

relatable ventoy moment

[small anvil]

30gb stick with win10, win11, mint, fedora and popos on it

i wouldve done fedora

but i just cba 😭

dnf pisses me off

[nocturne olive]

I've been running Linux for like a couple months now

[small anvil]

i tried switching to linux back in january using nobara but it didnt go so well

i think this install i have now is going way better than before

steam fully works, im trying out steamvr soon

[nocturne olive]

I switched because my Windows literally died

[small anvil]

windows is slowly dying for everyone in my opinion

i had this one month phase where my pc just wouldnt boot

not a problem with my pc itself

just windows

it kept going to bsod on startup

[nocturne olive]

Mine got an update that made it so unstable I couldn't even open the start menu

[small anvil]

or after 5 mins of use

[desert plaza]

i've used a lot of different linux distros over the past few years

im on NixOS now

[opaque sigil]

how do y'all always brick your windows

[small anvil]

i heard nixos is nice

[small anvil]

its not even my fault broooo

[opaque sigil]

do NOT use nixos as your first distro

[small anvil]

i dont even know what the hell happened

i kept getting bug checked

[desert plaza]

yeah it probably is pretty good if one enjoys reading docs

[small anvil]

me

[small anvil]

mind you the bug checks were near completely random

they were never the same

[desert plaza]

yes true

[small anvil]

at least development will be easier

cause i actually know linux api

windows is convoluted

[desert plaza]

yeah, like how linux syscalls in assembly is used in tutorials

but windows is like

y'know

[small anvil]

yeah

[desert plaza]

DLLs

[small anvil]

horrible

dlls upon dlls

[solid bough]

Stopping what?

[small anvil]

dont even get me started on the ntoskrnl.exe export and import structure

especially the libs they import

[hard raptor]

What wifi card you have? Cuz some distros need you to download drivers for it if it isn't intel or amd or asus

[small anvil]

Intel Corporation Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168NGW

thats what i got from lspci

[hard raptor]

If you know the distro you want, you can just download the package for the packagemanager of said distro as like an rpm or deb or tarball and you can then boot into that distro install the package and reboot, and then it should support it

[opaque wharf]

If you have some experience and like reading docs, I'd honestly recommend arch

[hard raptor]

I haven't seen that model before... let me checm

[opaque sigil]

endeavourOS my beloved

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, fancy arch installer. Which is a good thing btw. Arch can stay as it is and others can make their installer of it

[hard raptor]

Honestly.. this depends on the user you are recommending it to... i talked to afunyun.. and he just wants something that works, but on the otherhand, if the user is actually interested in tinkering and learning how a system actually works.. then yes, arch based or vanilla arch, (especially vanilla arch) is a great recommendation

[hard raptor]

Endeavour does have its own repos and theming though

[trim valve]

I only mildly broke my windows because I had faulty ram lol

[opaque wharf]

Well, I only hope that more people are willing to spend some time reading and trying out linux. At least just for one day

[hard raptor]

https://www.google.com/search?q=intel+corporation+dual+band+wireless+ac+3168ngw+driver+linux

You seem to not be the only one with the issue

[small anvil]

thats so weird

ahhh

i wish i knew about this

i literally checked everywhere too

i guess my searches were too vague or something

[desert plaza]

hey nex, how your lang doing

[opaque sigil]

what are you doing

[olive sable]

1.7 MILLION

[hard raptor]

You still need to search deep eben with what i provided to find a download, as the intel website doesn't provide it anymore.... that's how ancient of a driver you need

[olive sable]

brother

[fresh dove]

What the

[stark needle]

(170k)

but 993k t/s prefill

[stark needle]

LLM

[opaque sigil]

duh

[stark needle]

working on my llm continuously pretrained on pop culture/anime/vtubers/etc

[olive sable]

ah mb

[stark needle]

i have a dataset ~15x larger than last time

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

Shad be out here making the waifu grok wished to be

[stark needle]

the base llm achieves 38.6% on my benchmark, while my finetuned one so far achieves 44.5%

my plan is to somehow get to 50-60%, then i'm happy

[opaque wharf]

Then the universe decided you'll only get 49.9999999999999%

[stark needle]

nooooo

[desert plaza]

% of what

[stark needle]

https://huggingface.co/datasets/shadowlilac/LMTuberEval

hard vtuber knowledge benchmark

[stark needle]

very difficult factual questions

every percent is 143 additionally correctly guessed questions

[desert plaza]

14.3K survey

[small anvil]

yeah thats horrible

[stark needle]

i also have other private benchmarks on videogame/anime/vrchat/etc...

[fierce umbra]

Hello everyone,

Im very new to the world of programming IT stuff, im looking to create a bot for my own Discord server, mainly to log who come and goes.
Is there resource somewhere that could help me get on the right track ?

[hard raptor]

As far as i could find though, you need this:

wget https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/_media/en/users/drivers/iwlwifi-3168-ucode-22.361476.0.tgz
tar xvf iwlwifi-3168-ucode-22.361476.0.tgz
cd iwlwifi-3168-ucode-22.361476.0
sudo cp iwlwifi* /lib/firmware
sudo modprobe -v iwlwifi

[trim valve]

do you have any preference when it comes to programming languages? there's a few good choices when it comes to discord bot libraries

[hard raptor]

Though if ethernet isn't an option, you would need to do the wget and then copy the file you get to a usb, and then copy it to your linux install and then execute the rest of the commands over there

[iron dirge]

I've dabbled In AI three times.

The first was designed to slowly get better at beating one opponent at rock paper scissors and probably doesn't count as an AI because it used statistical analysis to make decisions and ran in Microsoft Excel.

The second was an attempt to make a similar program that actually used a neural network (got about half done before I stopped for some reason)

The third was an attempt to make a game where you build a dungeon and AI adventurers that slowly get better try to build it. I actually had a working prototype but had a random crash and when I found the source I realized that to fix it I'd have to restructure around a third of the code. I gave up there.

(This post ended up being longer than I expected)

[hard raptor]

For something simple like that... just use python... it's really easy to learn and understand

[fierce umbra]

For my actual job i program machine using SCL language, it look very similar to C or Python, so either is good for me 🙂

[trim valve]

in which case I'd probably suggest discord.py, which does delve into some async weirdness but other than that its perfectly fine

https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/intro.html & https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/stable/quickstart.html

[hard raptor]

Even still.. discord.py is really easy to understand especially for simple things

[fierce umbra]

The things im the most clueless about is libraries, how to make the bot run the code etc etc
Programming in itself should not be too much of an issue

Alright ill take a look tyvm 😄

[hard raptor]

There are great resources and documentation out there

[trim valve]

you'd be suprised how much people delve in too deep

if you have an understanding of programming then discord.py is very nice to use

I have seen a lot of people who do not know how to program and do not want to learn

(I blame covid and the 77k messages I have in that server )

[sage crag]

where is shir

[olive sable]

idk

[sage crag]

[fierce umbra]

Haha tyvm, no im someone that like to learn, heck why i want to do the bot myself and not use one of the 100 out there already

[rigid snow]

my approach to learning is doing something way above my abilities and giving up somewhere third-half way through. i come out knowing more each time

[hard raptor]

For installing python:
https://realpython.com/installing-python/

For library/package management:
https://packaging.python.org/en/latest/tutorials/installing-packages/

And the discord.py docs have already been provided by bred

[desert plaza]

my approach to learning is thinking about doing an ambitious project and then giving up before starting

[trim valve]

I think the key difference here is that you have the intention to learn

[olive sable]

shiro hasnt been in #programming since the 14th. he's alive tho apparently in gn yesterday

[trim valve]

a lot of people used to go into help channels and basically just say "I want xyz, please send me the code"

also this is my approach to learning ML and it has not worked

[desert plaza]

well not really ambitious ig, it would be in my ability am just lazy

[rigid snow]

$ git init
Initialized empty Git repository

"fuck it i'm done"

[desert plaza]

damn you get that far

[trim valve]

a true screeps "player" in the making