programming

[hard raptor]

--experimental-strip-types

[opaque wharf]

Meaning valid JS is valid TS. But not all valid TS is valid JS

[opaque sigil]

You don't need that flag anymore

[hard raptor]

You do in the article you send though

But do namespaces and enums and stuff work too now?

[opaque wharf]

From 23, it does not I think

[opaque wharf]

Still only stripping type from what I understand

[hard raptor]

Pkay i am dumb

I didn't read the aritcle properly

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, for that to work you still need flags

[topaz tendon]

Just figured out how to compensate for Bluetooth audio latency while watching videos/streams

[midnight sigil]

https://x.com/0xAsync/status/1607541407937339392

Async (@0xAsync)

No mom it's not a "messy pile of clothes on my chair" it's an L1 cache for fast random access to my frequently used clothes in O(1) time. It needs to be big to avoid expensive cache misses (looking in my closet). I NEED to be minimizing latency, this is important to me. Please.

X · Dec 27, 2022, 12:58 AM

[prisma spoke]

But casually how can I build an ai like neuro though

[midnight sigil]

learn

[prisma spoke]

Which language

I know python and java

[tight tinsel]

neuroDinkDonk bingo alert

[opaque wharf]

[trim valve]

@opaque sigil ok so I'm getting fed up with hyper-v networking and using nixos-wsl instead om

[tender river]

why not just dual boot

[opaque sigil]

dual booting is annoying

[trim valve]

I cannot setup a dual boot from a different country without a lot of prayers and even then idk I just dislike dual boots

and I don't wanna dual boot on my laptop

I could be tempted by a cheap ThinkPad for Linux though

[tender river]

so are vms

[tender river]

thats how i initially tried nixos to be fair

[opaque sigil]

a vm doesn't make me reboot every time i want to use the other system

[hoary lion]

morn

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

is there a single sentence with coherent structure, that can hit a #programming bingo in one go

[sage crag]

no

[midnight sigil]

let's investigate

[sage crag]

already some conflicts, like super rare vedal appearance coinciding with new chatter

also the one that is 5+ people required

cant be done in one sentence

[inner pike]

what about top row

that could potentially be done in a single message

[midnight sigil]

middle horizontal one feels doable

[midnight sigil]

"conversation starter"

[rare bridge]

if i have to do a modcheck here i'll just tell ya'll to mark your bingos sheets

[sage crag]

i think these ones could all be done in a single sentence

but it would have to be from an ai spambot that just joined the server

that has inexplicable knowledge about #programming lore

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

actually i missed one, #programming inside joke gets art should also work

also this person needs to get promoted to moderator before they send their message

so modcheck in theory could also work

i think sending this message would get you instantly banned though

[tight tinsel]

the art one is never happening ever again after december

[rare bridge]

don't include spambots

... mainly cos ya'll summon us

but also cos the spambots aren't on topic

[cosmic sphinx]

ultra rare vedal appearance.. yeah no, not for another 2-3 months in #programming

[midnight sigil]

what's the definition for doomposting though

how do you doompost from only one sentence

[midnight sigil]

well a modcheck is a modcheck

[sage crag]

thats a bingo square

[rare bridge]

also me being here rn is a bingo square

[sage crag]

this is true

🤔

[midnight sigil]

mod chatting

unreal

[inner pike]

quick, ask a question about neuro

[sage crag]

ahh problem

[inner pike]

we need more squares

[rare bridge]

[sage crag]

i just realised that this person would have to be a twitch subscriber otherwise they wouldnt be able to embed images

[inner pike]

Oh true

[sage crag]

either that or a moderator

[midnight sigil]

@sage crag

[rare bridge]

if a mod is compromised there's bigger problems than the scams

[opaque wharf]

Brb

[midnight sigil]

aka someone already got scammed

[sage crag]

vedal appearing could cause three bingos if he wanted to

[sick owl]

The way Magistral breaks down its chain of thought into reasoning steps is really interesting

None of the other open weight reasoning models do this

That I know of anyway

[inner pike]

How many bottle of banana rum would be need to bribe vedal to help us 🤔

[sick owl]

It has the full reasoning trace broken up into steps dedicated to specific lines of inquiry like the ones you might see on a consumer frontends summarised version

[sage crag]

i think it would be impossible

[inner pike]

NaN Bottles then.

[opaque wharf]

Got it. So make the ai bot also somehow summon vedal to appear

[sage crag]

vedal amnesia bingo

then he can be a new chatter too

doesnt add any new bingos but does add another square

[midnight sigil]

a ping could do

[sage crag]

with some kind of multiple personality disorder perhaps we could also get os/editor wars and poll from 3 people

[opaque wharf]

Nah, you'd just turn instantly to dust

[midnight sigil]

are there any AI bots in history pinged vedal

[opaque wharf]

It needs to be something that vedal actually needs to intervene / clarify

[sage crag]

nuro

easy answer

[midnight sigil]

[trim valve]

guys why is my ssh struggling on a 6500kbps link speed wifi connection

[midnight sigil]

package loss?

[trim valve]

I think I just have a terrible connection to the router

[opaque wharf]

If the other side is on dial up, I think it will cause problem too

[midnight sigil]

bro get ethernet

like

[trim valve]

its an lte modem

[midnight sigil]

it's a wire

[trim valve]

:3

[midnight sigil]

oh

[trim valve]

it has no holes aside from usb

[sage crag]

evil eats a lemon and dies

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

🍋

[olive sable]

I am here

[sage crag]

true

[midnight sigil]

imagine someone in the future wants to ping vedal, but pinged the vedal987 account instead

which is owned by me

[opaque wharf]

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

Hmm, very wise

[sage crag]

millipede

[midnight sigil]

millipede

[olive sable]

Friend came by to play more res evil 4, we're stuck on the boss of disc 1

[tender river]

"too lazy to count let's just say 1000"

[sage crag]

bugs

awa

[opaque wharf]

I have centipede issue here at my place

They kept crawling from somewhere into my bedroom

[olive sable]

Also i tried kindom hearts for ps2, but tbh it kinda sucks ngl

[rigid snow]

the russian word is straight up many- right, and forty- for centipede

why lie fym 100 and 1000

[tender river]

apparently they are all just called many-

forty- is just the archaic name

[rigid snow]

oh? i always thought they referred to millipedes and centipedes respectively

[tender river]

ok maybe not archaic but either way the reason its 40 is because 40 used to also mean "many" for random christian reasons (edit: may alternatively be related to fur trade)

[rigid snow]

thank you language nerd

so basically ?=100=many=40

[tender river]

mhm

[trim valve]

hm

doing this with nix will be a mildly fun game

[rigid snow]

m

[trim valve]

tl;dr I have elected that my previous idea is clearly the best idea for how to proxy moonlight

but I want it in an appimage

so like

time to build an appimage

which surely is best done from a nix flake

[rigid snow]

reasonable assumption tbf

though wouldn’t it be faster to just throw it together if you need it only for yourself

[trim valve]

its probably stupid

but I don't want to make my ubuntu wsl install any worse with random appimage building stuff

and I really should learn nix at some point

[small anvil]

moments where AI is actually useful to me: my router likes to invalidate my private ip if im not making any net requests so i made AI create a program that constantly pings 1.1.1.1 (i couldnt be bothered to work with windows api myself)
pretty neat, i also have it on my startup apps too

[small anvil]

also -- please do not ask me why my router does this I HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO THIS ISSUE FOR 5 MONTHS AND FOUND NOTHING!!!! why must my router do me like this

[tender river]

you dont have to work with winapi you could've just ping -w 1.1.1.1

(or whatever the windows flag for infinite ping is)

[small anvil]

id rather not open a command prompt window each time i start my pc

[tender river]

you can autostart it

[small anvil]

yeah but the window is never hidden too

[rough bloom]

if it's the private IP why not just set a static one? does your router not allow setting the address range for the DHCP server?

[small anvil]

that was my original solution too, it just got annoying

[small anvil]

ive tried that too, DHCP ignores the lease time and just invalidates it, and boots me off my wifi

[opaque wharf]

Is discord having an outage?

Or just the specific server I'm in?

[small anvil]

i even set the lease to 1 month and 2 days later i get kicked off

[rough bloom]

not that I've noticed, no

[small anvil]

im not sure if its a driver problem

[opaque wharf]

Huh, this is news for me then

[small anvil]

wait it probably is a driver problem for windows, i switched to linux for a short time and my wifi always worked on it

but when its windows it never works

one of the things i saw while troubleshooting is that my wifi network is duplicated 2 times, same signal strength but the wifi name of the duplicate is empty, but im not sure if thats causing it

[rough bloom]

if you set a static IP on your device then whatever the routers DHCP server does shouldn't matter
that's the whole point of having a range for statically assigned IPs

[small anvil]

im talking about in general, ive set lease time for my device, and tried setting a static ip, none worked

sorry if i was vague when i sent that message

its been happing for a good amount of time

its only windows that does it too

[rough bloom]

yeah, more likely an issue with your device than with your router then

[midnight sigil]

windows problem

L

[small anvil]

i have to switch the channel whenever i try connecting, I have a repeater thats upstairs, i connect to it, then go to my panel and then switch the channel to be either channel 1 or 6, save it and then pray that when i connect to the main one it actually works and then start pinging 1.1.1.1

[midnight sigil]

microsoft moment

[small anvil]

its so weird

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-microsoft-fuck-microsoft-john-malkovich-malkovich-gif-24980256

[small anvil]

this is the ONLY fix that ive found within the 5 months of it not working, and it resets whenever i restart my pc

[midnight sigil]

that's a complex solution

hey it works it works

[small anvil]

exactly

im not too sure how i found it

i was just messing with alot of stuff

i think this was after i was messing with DHCP

[trim valve]

hm a thinkpad is so mildly tempting

[small anvil]

im genuinely thinking of moving over to linux though, my only gripe is that anything above 120hz does not work and results in a black screen when moving my cursor or using my keyboard
probably a driver issue but i cba to look into it right now

oh and also the fact most of my apps are windows only

[opaque sigil]

that definitely sounds like a driver issue or sth, my 240hz monitor works just fine

[small anvil]

im just glad my GPU isnt nvidia

its AMD

[tender river]

i feel like i'm getting more sponsorship spam lately

[small anvil]

[opaque wharf]

Are you a content creator chay?

[tender river]

i technically was many years ago

"many years ago" is how i know they just send these emails indiscriminately

[nocturne olive]

What's wrong with Nvidia GPUs? I have two different Nvidia GPUs in my Linux system and it works flawlessly

[tender river]

it's gotten better recently

[small anvil]

they've been really unreliable for me, especially in linux

[tender river]

but historically nvidia has been very uncooperative

[nocturne olive]

Those recent upgrades must have really made a big difference, I have encountered 0 GPU related issues

Not any that weren't user error anyway

[opaque sigil]

It's still a bit more effort to set up but after that it should just work, thankfully there's a driver for using vaapi via nvdec now

[nocturne olive]

For me it was just a matter of installing the driver

And that was made very easy by Mint coming with a driver manager thingy

[opaque sigil]

Yeah mint will do this for you automatically

[olive sable]

i am here

[opaque sigil]

Hi here

[olive sable]

hello

[trim valve]

reading about flakes is fun

[tender river]

honestly most of the "weirdness" comes from the fact you now have to do all the initial plumbing yourself rather than relying on the nixpkgs module system from the start

[amber fractal]

No guide about flakes quite explains it well, some people might default to how you first use it; some might look at packages that have upstream nix code. It's a very nice system that is expanded by just allowing a version of nixpkgs.
There is always the example of two sets of nixpkgs, but I'm personally for the extra apps and options that other projects can add ontop of the defaults.

[olive sable]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/S3j1MMoVunw
i like this yt channel

[stark needle]

hi

[olive sable]

HIII

[ebon basin]

I wonder how many viewers can Twitch handle wasn't it so 1.2 mio with this Spanish streamer ?

[opaque sigil]

the current record is 3.8M

[ruby plover]

on firefox is there a way to ozom in on websites other than ctrl + and settign the zoom function on the settings? For some reaosn this one website im using doesnt zoom in with any of these options. tried an extension zoom we too

[nocturne olive]

Try CTRL + scroll?

[ruby plover]

same thing doesnt do anything

[nocturne olive]

The site has probably captured input then

[ruby plover]

i think its because this monitor is 4k

doesnt look too bad on my other one so guess ill have to just swap em over

yh its based off display resolution only rip

nvm figured it out o7

[left prawn]

you could set the monitor to 150% zoom thats what i have mine set to

[olive sable]

goodmorning

i slept

[sick owl]

My PC really enjoys the experience of running reasoning models

[stark needle]

hell yeah

[gritty dust]

Morning

[olive sable]

hello

[safe path]

today i learnt that training an AI model on a tablet is a terrible idea

[humble shell]

[gritty dust]

Lol how did you even get to that point

[safe path]

im testing something

i have a personal hairdryer now

[olive sable]

a snapdragon gen 3 pro max ultra whatevert he fuck, or a 3090?
who would win?

[gritty dust]

hmmm tough choice you know

[safe path]

attempt 2

[olive sable]

new guy

get the drill

[safe path]

it is only a bad idea if my tablet explodes (it turned off because tmax)

[olive sable]

it did WHAT?

[safe path]

aww gdi

[opaque wharf]

Making any modern computing device turned off from overheat is a feat on its own tbh

[olive sable]

didnt even thermal throtle, just straight up turned off

[safe path]

it cant be that bad, ive only been at 100% cpu usage for the past hour

raaaa it froze again

[olive sable]

maybe you should put it in the fridge or so to train

[safe path]

wtf it killed my browser

[olive sable]

remind me again why you're doing this?

[opaque wharf]

The tablet upon seeing vanor entering the room:

[olive sable]

what cpu does it have?

[opaque wharf]

Some people likes pain. Maybe vanor is one of them

[olive sable]

we knew that already

[safe path]

like an i5-1235U i think

[opaque sigil]

that poor thing

[olive sable]

oh so x86?

[safe path]

its working again

its fine

[olive sable]

is it capping cpu or gpu?

[safe path]

tmax is just a number

[olive sable]

its also the boiling point of water

[safe path]

caps cpu, this thing has an igpu

[olive sable]

does the igpu count towards cpu usage? it shouldnt?

[safe path]

i think loading data into ram requires the cpu, but i might be wrong

the igpu still reads from the ram

[olive sable]

ah

checks out i think

[safe path]

anyways it probably doesn't help im trying to compile something at the same time

maybe i should consider doing less

[olive sable]

damn that thing has 10 cores and 12 threads. for a tablet thats unexpected

[opaque sigil]

i'm sure it's fine

lemme guess, 10 e-cores

or i guess 8

[olive sable]

8e 2p

[opaque sigil]

checks out

[safe path]

ya that

[olive sable]

ig this doesnt make sense without the labeling

here they are

this is so cursed

[safe path]

i think it's actually fine

nvm the fans started spinning

[safe path]

i love openvino

[hoary lion]

man my head hurts

why does ssh 5090 is not using huggingface datasets

while my 3070 dies of OOM but still manages to do that

🤔

i should check components again

[opaque sigil]

remember the 5090 has a hard requirement on cuda 12.8+

could also be some locked down network (idk where you got the 5090 from)

[opaque wharf]

Vanor be out there, stress testing computing device

[olive sable]

do yall rate your files tho?

[signal trout]

Never; I forgot that was a thing

[olive sable]

i dont see why anyone would but ye

it exists

[weary oyster]

Imma start doing this

because silly

[signal trout]

only really makes sense for songs, imo

[opaque wharf]

Huh. KDE Dolphin has it too

[signal trout]

at least it's not an option on every file type—I can't rate my text files, and I'm not sure whether to be disappointed or not

[trail charm]

As we are all autistic femboys and catgirl here we are great at programming we should make a program that hypnotizes politicians into becoming femboys and catgirls.

[tight tinsel]

wtf??

[olive sable]

speak for yourself

i may be autistic but i am not a femboy nor a catgirl

(yet?)

[tight tinsel]

no comment xd

i just remembered my interviewer asked me how much ram i had

that was pretty cool

[opaque wharf]

Are you alright? Are you drunk?

[olive sable]

hey pssttt.. by the way, how much ram you got? cuz our project folders are unoptemized as fuck and you're gonna need at least 64GB

[tight tinsel]

only 32 sadge

[trim valve]

a lot of people use it for photographs they took

[olive sable]

7am noodles

its a sad bowl but its food

[opaque wharf]

Imma be honest Sam, it doesn't even look cooked

[olive sable]

its just maintaining its shape well

[opaque wharf]

Suuure

[olive sable]

the water is hot so it is cooked

you just have high noodle standarts as an asian person

[hoary lion]

I was removed from existence for a while, but it sure isn't locked network

i should try a different method

[opaque wharf]

Well, I think even Indomie recommends to cook the noodle in boiling water for at least 3-5 minutes

[olive sable]

i did

[hoary lion]

this is not cooked

and it seems like you forgot the stock

[signal trout]

that is... wow, really something

I just eat oatmeal in the mornings

[olive sable]

Its fine

[hoary lion]

...

I really don't understand where would the flavour even come from based on the original looks

did you just put only the boiled water or something

[olive sable]

The litle pack of powder

[hoary lion]

you did add it??

[olive sable]

Yes

[opaque wharf]

Now I want some noodles

[hoary lion]

My korean ass refuse to believe there is powder added to it but okie

[opaque wharf]

I like more spicy noodles myself. The broth will turn red and even then, I still like to add more powdered chili

[hoary lion]

the humble buldak sauce

[opaque wharf]

Yep

[noble zodiac]

wait why is it still swimming in water?

that aint no broth

[opaque wharf]

We grilling Sam again? LFG

[hoary lion]

I mean the water literally looks like it changed color only due to the noodles

I still refuse to believe that powder stock package still results that color after adding it to that small amount of water

[olive sable]

It was fine

Yall are so pedantoc about noodles

you're supposed to use that litle water,t he pack said 300ml

[hoary lion]

thanks for this picture

seems like we were too biased towards korean ones where broth is red/orange

[olive sable]

this one was onion

i do liek the more spicy ones but i ran out

[hoary lion]

update on my datasets:

even the huggingface datasets logging is not showing anything

it was blazingly fast for pip fetch

but why huggingface fails

[amber fractal]

Granted I don't use a dedicated water boiler, but I usually go the least amount of water needed to have all of the noodles submerged.

no need to be wasteful

(It's also more fun because you place in too little and quickly got to refill it)

[opaque wharf]

I like to drink the broth after eating the noodles tho. So no waste there

[midnight sigil]

I see thin-film interference

[olive sable]

i think its mostly just the reflection of my monitor

[hoary lion]

this cannot be real

my credentials were not used at all

but there was no bug raised

wtf

[bitter coral]

I procrastinated a bit to much today so I won’t be able to work on the art program, I think the next feature I’ll add is the ability to rearrange layers, then duplicating layers. Mainly because I want to add frames and make animations.

Also I should probably change the version number that I’m calling it now that undo-redo is here.

[bitter coral]

I realized earlier that the cursed undo solution that unconputable thought of wasn’t actually that bad as it would basically be an layer of just a single action rather than including all the past actions in each new layer. Which I technically have to make anyway if I want to preview the current action. Just without storing the action layer that is.

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, it will just require you to store an insane amount of layer internally

Still cursed tho

[bitter coral]

The small benefit is you could crop the images, but yes. also I don’t think I could preview the fill bucket unless the preview layer has the whole image.

[fast pagoda]

i like how ruff always offers #ignore <the giant problem that will cause program to not function> as a fix

[opaque wharf]

True

[bitter coral]

If you were to draw a horizontal line, after how many pixels would image.fill_rect() be better than image.set_pixelv()

[opaque wharf]

Profile it and find out

[bitter coral]

I have to sleep first, and I don’t want to write purposeless code in this project so I’ll have to make a new project for testing this.
I’m wandering because I think my fill bucket uses set_pixelv() and I think converting it into rectangular chunks and using fill_rect() would probably be faster, but that’s a lot of unnecessary work if drawing it isn’t a big issue at all compared to searching the image for the pixels to fill.

[trim valve]

it probably all depends on what you're using, but the only real answer is profile it

[safe path]

why did i see sad instant noodles the moment i open the channel

you guys should invest in coffee ramen, it gives you all the nutrition you need to tackle the day

[opaque wharf]

What even is that?

Noodles with coffee as the broth?

[safe path]

yes (it does not taste good)

[jagged turtle]

is it a good idea to convert my spare surface into a mini-server

[safe path]

is it a laptop surface or a tablet surface

i know the tablet ones overheats a lot, like the current one im using

[jagged turtle]

tablet one does overheat but that's not much more of an issue if you leave it in a cool environment directly in front of a fan right

[safe path]

ya bro i personally like to put my tablet in the arctic whenever i feel like opening 2 chrome tabs

[opaque wharf]

I prefer this then

[opaque wharf]

I think if the surface is just idling then why not

[unkempt citrus]

mi goren my beloved

[inner pike]

Vanor no.

For anybody wondering, this is what it looked like when he made the Coffee Ramen

He also made Protein Powder Ramen before

[opaque wharf]

Why

[inner pike]

I dont know

[rare bridge]

[opaque wharf]

Are y'all secretly ID or got some hidden route to Indomie mi goreng?

[unkempt citrus]

its sold everywhere in australia

[opaque wharf]

Ahh, our so close yet so far neighbor

[faint sandal]

Administrator Protection is now on insider beta

[opaque sigil]

[maiden geyser]

uacslop

[faint sandal]

a reminder for what admin protection is about #programming message

[opaque sigil]

oh

i like that

[midnight sigil]

guys is this real

[faint sandal]

no it probably tastes mid

[midnight sigil]

yea monster energy still on top

[opaque sigil]

my tummy hurts just looking at that

[trim valve]

water

[opaque wharf]

Microsoft finally getting sudo

[opaque sigil]

(it's off cause i use gsudo)

[opaque wharf]

Well, technically it isn't sudo either. Is it PAM or DBus that ask for authentication when some GUI app want to access some privileged action?

[opaque sigil]

pam

[hoary lion]

de-engineering time

[noble zodiac]

I'm gonna crash out when the web-sys crate makes me add another feature

[opaque sigil]

holy

wdym there are 1657 features

though i guess there are A LOT of web apis

[opaque wharf]

Indeed there is

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API

[midnight sigil]

hmm I wonder if there're vulnerabilities of forcing admin privileges or bypassing this prompt

[faint sandal]

none yet this is pretty new

traditional UAC bypass methods won't work because you can't just pass around tokens like that anymore with this on

[midnight sigil]

soon™

windows is a big chunk of tech debt

meh

[faint sandal]

this model is a lot more secure and resilient than previous implementations since it relies on an entirely new account and SID/SMAA

since it relies on a new shadow account the SID is different

[midnight sigil]

[opaque wharf]

Now the question is, will they deprecate the old stuff and introduce backward incompatibility or not

[midnight sigil]

probably redirecting the apis ngl

[opaque sigil]

knowing microsoft they will just support both until the end of time

[midnight sigil]

more tech debts

[faint sandal]

it is an entirely optional feature

https://fxtwitter.com/AzakaSekai_/status/1946937694514471225

安坂星海 Azaka || VTuber (@AzakaSekai_)

OpenProcess fails entirely when attempting to open a process running on the standard account now

**👁️ 2 **

FxTwitter · Jul 20, 2025, 2:18 PM

privileged shadow account can't access processes on the standard account now

[opaque wharf]

Because the actual problem is that. MS is accumulating a lot of tech debt from maintaining backward compatibility so far back to the past

[stark needle]

hell

[opaque sigil]

heaven

[opaque wharf]

Earth

[midnight sigil]

Mars...?

[olive sable]

Uranus

[sage crag]

OGLE-2005-BLG-390Lb

[opaque wharf]

konii be out here giving out cryptic messages from Mars

Oh wait no, that's distant earth like planet

[olive sable]

ROXs 42 Bb

The biggest

[opaque wharf]

I raise you all, the observable universe

[olive sable]

Thats not a planet

[opaque wharf]

But for all we know, the universe could be a hologram on the surface of a black hole

So still 1 spherical celestial object

[olive sable]

Holograms?

[opaque wharf]

Yes, because for some odd bizzare reasons, the information required to describe the smallest unit of space is not a voxel, but reducible to a hologram on the surface of a sphere

Do you know what a hologram is?

[olive sable]

I thought the smallest unit of space was described in energy

[olive sable]

Ngl im thinking about hatsune miku here

[opaque wharf]

Well, that is holographic display or projection that you're imagining. What I mean is hologram in the sense that you can capture 3D scene on a 2D plate

See this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmKQsSDlaa4

It provides a good basis of understand light hologram

[olive sable]

I did see that one before ye

[opaque wharf]

If light, i.e. electromagnetic waves can be captured on a surface of 2D plate, then so does every other wave can be described on the same way

[olive sable]

Yes

[opaque wharf]

So a hologram on the surface of a black hole can, in theory, encode a whole universe

Or at least object that falls into it

[trim valve]

neither tsocks nor proxychains (nor proxychains-ng) seem to support udp

[olive sable]

That makes sense but that doesnt mean the universe isin one

[opaque wharf]

Ngl, I never understood your problem in the first place. Can you maybe draw out some diagram to helps us understand it better?

[opaque wharf]

That's the thing. We cannot know

Or at least, not that we know of currently

[olive sable]

My vote is on us not being inside a black hole

[opaque wharf]

The many world interpretation could just be multiple black hole lol

[trim valve]

sure, gimme like 5m lol

[olive sable]

For the universe to be a black hole wed need a dense mass at the center and im pretty sure we wouldnt be able to see light from all directions due to it being sucked in

[opaque wharf]

We do not know what lies beyond the event horizon. We just know that the model state there is a great disturbance of space-time at the center of one. Also, any interaction inside the black hole technically is no different from the outside. Just that space and time got flipped. There are too many unknown tbh to state with certainty

Besides, the encoding happen at the surface

[trim valve]

not the best diagram, but basically trying to replicate the experience on my laptop; instead on any (linux, or specifically ubuntu) machine that I don't have root on

[opaque wharf]

Ouch, yeah, not having root is quite an issue there. I need to check tailscaled docs one sec

[trim valve]

my current ideas are:

• try and make tsocks, proxychains, proxychains-ng work
• recompile moonlight-qt so it doesn't explicitly disallow proxies
• make a proxy myself that can forward packets to tailscaled whilst also acting as a sunshine host (this might also be possible with ssh tunnels instead of making my own proxy if I can force ssh through a socks5 proxy)

it can make a socks5 proxy in userspace-networking mode iirc

(also advanced warning, my messages might take ages to send so sorry if I say something at a stupid time 😭)

https://mystb.in/52f57b502eb74a48ac has the output of tailscaled --help

also worth noting that despite the obvious drawbacks of tcp, I'm not too worried because I'm probably only going to be streaming at a low bitrate anyways

[opaque wharf]

Alright, the moonlight docs is ass ngl

[trim valve]

😭

I just searched the source code for "proxy" and got most of the answers I needed

[opaque wharf]

This?

[trim valve]

yeah that lol

[opaque wharf]

Yep it is cursed alright

[trim valve]

part of why I'm considering all the cursed proxy-forcing options

[opaque wharf]

The best way to go about it is somehow sandboxing the network and capturing all of the request to the proxy

But we know sandbox require some root privilege

[trim valve]

tbh I have no idea what you can do in an appimage file

[olive sable]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Hy9OjfGhDfo

[trim valve]

I think it's just FS sandboxing

[opaque wharf]

Yep

[trim valve]

imo my best bet is probably to try recompiling moonlight without disabling proxies first

[opaque wharf]

But that's not a switchable compile options

[trim valve]

I can just fork it I think?

[opaque wharf]

Not from what I've read anyway

I think making a simple tcp proxy would be easier ngl

[trim valve]

like the client updates so rarely I don't really care about "maintaining" a private fork

yeah true

if ssh can port forward udp and work through a proxy then I might be able to use it

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, you can create SOCKS proxy through SSH tunnel

But you can also do reverse tunnel

Wait, have you tried reverse tunnel?

[trim valve]

I haven't tried anything quite yet because my internet is a pain in the ass here

so I want some idea of what I'm gonna do before I do it

[opaque wharf]

A reverse tunnel may just work

But I don't know about the overhead of SSH on top

[trim valve]

keep in mind ssh will need to access the internet through tailscaled 😭

[opaque wharf]

I used to do some cursed stuff with reverse tunneling like changing setting on my ISP router at home from somewhere

[opaque wharf]

So more overhead

[trim valve]

moonlight is pretty resilient

[lapis wraith]

Now I know exactly how vedal feels when working on neuro... Even though gary knows how to read, he tried everything but to place anything over that exact position

[opaque wharf]

Well, at least Neuro is honest now and say it clearly. Because it's funny lmao

[lapis wraith]

True. Neuro is always right

To be fair to gary, I have to improve the context given by the messages. They could always be better

[tender river]

shpere

[opaque wharf]

Chay, do you know where they store the sfx assets for GrapheneOS image?

[tender river]

which sfx

[opaque wharf]

Phone dialing tone

[tender river]

um no idea its probably the default android sounds anyway

[lapis wraith]

Good one... I have to note myself to say "Circle" instead, probably... thanks

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I just asked since you used Graphene maybe you'd know the layout of the installation image too. Thanks anyway

[hoary lion]

redoing all my fuckass training script

[tender river]

https://github.com/GrapheneOS/platform_frameworks_base/tree/16/data/sounds/ringtones

i have not used graphene

never owned a pixel

[opaque wharf]

I thought you said you use graphene? Am I imagining things?

[tender river]

i use linux on my phone

[opaque wharf]

OHHH

[distant patio]

How does Neuro sama works? Are the dialogue entirely generated by a custom LLM or does it sometimes have a custom dialogue injected in by a human?

[opaque wharf]

We don't know

[tender river]

vedal is personally writing every line

[lapis wraith]

No one knows... but you could imagine everything she says is entirely generated by an LLM

[opaque wharf]

We may speculate but that's it

[lapis wraith]

Unless you count "custom dialogue" as discord direct messages

[opaque wharf]

The fastest OSU player surely must have the fastest WPM

[lapis wraith]

Even the filtered ones? Wow, he's got hands

[rigid snow]

he writes the lines with one hand and slaps that hand with the another whenever he types something bad

[opaque wharf]

Vedal lore just keeps getting more and more interesting

[rigid snow]

on the topic of nextjs, i wasn't trying to defend it then but i started a project and i want to now

[opaque wharf]

I myself still adamant on JSX

[rigid snow]

i unironically love that it allows me to write spaghetti of whatever caliber i want

it reminds me of cpp in a sense

[rigid snow]

bless server actions

[distant patio]

That’s not what I meant though 😭 I was just speculating if there are humans intervention in some cases to make it a better experience

Because some are just a bit too

Clipfarmy

[opaque wharf]

Neuro does have control panel yes. It is a web based application that is protected with cloudflare zero trust

I saw it from one of the stream but I do not know how much it has evolved since

Is it okay to post the link?

I'll wait until there's a confirmation from mod/vedal employee anyway

[glass flower]

i don't think vedal is personally interacting with the ai in real time. probably just looking over the responses sometimes to filter them. but now even that is automated.

the clipfarmy parts are likely just the AI fetching memories and trying to be entertaining. thats kinda the point of neuro afterall

[opaque wharf]

Well at least vedal has some control to toggle filter

[distant patio]

Hmm yes I guess that makes

Since ive read neuro have unlimited access to its past conversations and stuff

[opaque wharf]

That is a recent addition

[rigid snow]

<Modal
  button={{
    color: user.verified ? "success" : "danger",
    children: user.verified ? 
      <><Check size={18} /> Yes</> :
      <><X size={18} /> No</>,
  }}
>
  <div className="max-w-xs">
    <Heading h={3} className="mb-3">
      Are you sure you want to{" "}
      {user.verified ? "unverify" : "verify"} {user.name}?
    </Heading>
    <form
      action={async () => {
        "use server";
        await toggleVerified(user.id);
      }}
    >
      <Button type="submit">
        <Check size={18} />
        Yes, I'm {user.verified ? "taking away" : "granting"}
        verification status of {user.name}
      </Button>
    </form>
  </div>
</Modal>
``` this is real code for a admin panel i've written and shipped (it is in prod rn), don't you love this pattern ![neuroTroll](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1155281375767838850.webp?size=128 "neuroTroll")

[glass flower]

assuming it was saved. and it can find it i doubt the AI remembers everything all the time. i'd assume (very rough assumption), he got somekind of MCP or RAG setup for the memory

[rigid snow]

it updates in real time because the server action revalidates the path and that refetches the data sources

[glass flower]

i like this. seems very nice to work with.

[tender river]

vedal does DM neuro or evil when he e.g. wants them to get back on topic but clip farming is entirely their own doing

[opaque wharf]

Good, now another requirement just come in to add i18n

[tender river]

obviously theres also intervention in the form of filtering certain stuff or adding certain stuff to memories

("memory" is most likely not a single system anyway)

[opaque wharf]

Assuming it as a a blackbox, it is

[distant patio]

Every AI or algorithm is a sort of black box anyways aint they

[sage crag]

hblang update

function pointers

[opaque wharf]

Depending on how you define it I guess

[rigid snow]

it looks nice in examples, is easy to write, but isn't great to maintain on a large scale - i did ok here by having a separate function toggleVerified but like, the idea that you can invoke any backend code in any seemingly frontend context- seemingly because technically no you can't, it's code executed server side only because react server components - but that's relatively new (not many people have rewired their brain to think of react code as server only) and still doesn't change the fact that you can attach backend code to user actions so easily and that makes you think less about the implications/makes catching dumb and dangerous shit at code review much harder

[midnight sigil]

man I have so many things that I wanted to do

and I'm sure I can't finish them within the holidays

I really need to make a todo-list thing for all my dumb shits and gave-up(suspended) projects

[olive sable]

hblang might be usable for gamedev now

[midnight sigil]

we should make an operating system out of hblang

[sage crag]

funny you should mention

hblang is the os language for ableos

[opaque wharf]

My favorite things to do using function pointer is changing the function being called on the fly

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

thats how i od my graphics settings

[midnight sigil]

how does an OS work without pointers

[olive sable]

it just does

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

it has pointers

[opaque wharf]

Function pointer specifically. So it could still use some other method

[rigid snow]

like even this works

// inconspicuous-server-code.ts
"use server";
export async function makeDatabaseFaster() {
  await sql`DROP TABLE "users";`;
}

// client-side-code.tsx
"use client";
import { makeDatabaseFaster } from "./inconspicuous-server-code";
export OptimizerReactComponent() {
  return <button
    onClick={async () => {
      await makeDatabaseFaster();
      alert("Optimization complete");
    })
  >
    Optimize
  </button>
}

it's very implicit that a given interaction will execute code on the server; when you're doing api routes you at least add an endpoint and that gets caught easily, this? good luck

[sage crag]

why wouldnt it have pointers

[midnight sigil]

I have read the ablecorp git stuff now

cool

is there a coding standard?

[rigid snow]

metaprogramming bro... tell chatgpt that for 1hr glazing session

[sage crag]

hm?

[rigid snow]

hblang abi?

[midnight sigil]

yea

coding standard

[worldly plank]

Yes and no?

[sage crag]

hblang has a set abi

since hbvm has a set abi, and for it uses systemv abi on linux

[rigid snow]

oh yeah the whole os thing

[sage crag]

(for c ffi)

mhm

working on finding some function ptr bugs

about to create a dynamic object

[midnight sigil]

I can't read rust what is all this

[sage crag]

its not rust

[midnight sigil]

bieispbhshoaw

[sage crag]

its hblang

ohh you mean the original compiler

hblang lives here
https://git.ablecorp.eu/mlokis/hblang/

[opaque wharf]

Honestly, most of the time I use it for simple case like this

#include <stdio.h>

void function1(void)
{
    printf("function1\n");
}

void function2(void)
{
    printf("function2\n");
}

int main(void)
{
    void (*ptr_to_fun)(void);

    ptr_to_fun = &function2;
    ptr_to_fun();

    ptr_to_fun = &function1;
    ptr_to_fun();

    return 0;
}

[sage crag]

yes you can do this in hblang now

[sick owl]

peak thumbnail in my recommended

Much as I love SSAO :hesRight:

[midnight sigil]

I don't think I can read zig either

[opaque sigil]

words cannot express how much i hate this

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

it indeed does suck

[opaque sigil]

spend like a day with zig and you will be able to

[sage crag]

reasons we have dynobject conventions and vtables

[opaque sigil]

i will say, reassigning fn pointers is nice for runtime selection for vectorised implementations

but that's only once obv

[midnight sigil]

zig looks like JavaScript

but Java like

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I use it for something that needs to happen once in a while too to select which function to run in a tight loop

[trim valve]

ooh I didn't realise but it looks like tailscaled supports socks5 udp

so that's like mildly less of a hassle

[rigid snow]

that's... a statement

one could say, it's a combination of words

[midnight sigil]

nvm it's kotlin + c

my brain ain't braining at 2am

I'm heading to bed

gn

[opaque sigil]

[trim valve]

so I think my current best plan is to make my own "proxy" that acts like a moonlight-compatible device but actually forwards all traffic through tailscale

because then I can properly use the featureset of socks5 that tailscale supports and don't have to hack (much) of moonlight-qt

so like moonlight-qt < - tcp & udp - > my "proxy" < - socks5 tcp & udp - > tailscaled < - ... - > the rest of the magic

[tender river]

wait does moonlight use tcp too

[trim valve]

both tcp and udp

iirc its tcp for the handshaking stuff (and maybe inputs?) and udp for the video stream

[opaque wharf]

Mhmm, standard stuff

Mumble uses the same scheme. Tcp for handshake and control channel, udp for low latency audio

[trim valve]

I don't actually know if it uses tcp for inputs

but I do know that if you scroll really fast it delays the mouse inputs 😭

[opaque wharf]

Well, I mean control as in, muting, deafen, channel change, I think the text message is also done on TCP?, but audio and even positional audio with supported game plugins is through udp

Been a while since I read on their protocol

[trim valve]

fair

mumble is neat but I've never really used it

and the one time I was going to use it recently we made a last minute decision to ditch it

because the IOS client was too broken and kept crashing

[sage crag]

awa

waiting on bug fixes

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, it's the ol reliable for me. I made a compatible client for some MCU once

[trim valve]

fair

we had like 100 people to organise so stuff that breaks isn't ideal

[trim valve]

fixing a bug must require steady hands given how small some are

[opaque wharf]

[tender river]

theres a saying "to [horse]shoe a flea" in russian

[opaque wharf]

Mhmm, I'm lucky to not need apple support. There was a web client once, but I think it's quite abandoned now. There was a team to try and maintain said project. I don't know how the state of it is now. But given how the mumble protocol hasn't changed much, I think apple user can use the web instead

[trim valve]

mhm

[sage crag]

DynObj := struct {
  .v_func: fn(^never): u8;
  .obj: ^never;
  
  $func := fn(self: ^DynObj): u8 {
    return self.v_func(self.obj)
  }
  $new := fn(obj: @Any()): DynObj {
    return .(@bit_cast(&obj.func), @bit_cast(obj))
  }
}

Obj := struct {
  .state: u8;
  func := fn(self: ^Obj): u8 return self.state + 1
}

main := fn(): u8 {
  obj := Obj.(255)
  dyn_obj := DynObj.new(&obj)
  return dyn_obj.func()
}

it doesnt work yet, but im hoping it will soon

[glass flower]

what is that monstrosity of a syntax

[sage crag]

it looks fine

[opaque wharf]

hblang in its full glory

[tender river]

why is it never instead of void

[sage crag]

makes me feel safer

[tender river]

it makes me feel unsafer

[sage crag]

// ...
Obj2 := struct {
  .state: u8;
  func := fn(self: ^Obj2): u8 return self.state - 1
}

main := fn(): u8 {
  // ...
  obj2 := Obj2.(1)
  dyn_obj2 := DynObj.new(&obj2)
  return dyn_obj.func() + dyn_obj2.func()
}

theoretically this would also work which is what im excited to test

its really a waste for small functions of course

[glass flower]

i think its confusing personally

[tender river]

you probably just lack experience

[opaque wharf]

hblang is directly compiled to x86/target architecture right?

[glass flower]

i just like readablity instead of random symbols..

[sage crag]

$what := fn(x: ^never): never {
  return x.*
}

main := fn(): never {
  return what(@bit_cast(&0))
}

surely no one would ever do this

[sage crag]

x86_64 or hbvm

directly, yes

[tender river]

go to java

[glass flower]

im learning rust rightnow...

[opaque sigil]

as always, it's a matter of familiarity

[tender river]

rust is considered to be unreadable by many

that is, by people who dont know it

[glass flower]

[opaque sigil]

i'd argue there is some rust code that is just objectively ugly af

but that's like 2% of it

[tender river]

like my code

[glass flower]

the one thing that i still have trouble with is. that you can just have a random variable as the last line of a function and it just works

[tender river]

not variable but expression

[faint sandal]

I mean I still can't read it

even less so when it's compiled

[tender river]

strings

[glass flower]

isn't this a variable...

[opaque wharf]

You all have not met ERF

[sage crag]

[tender river]

fn collect_msgs<T>(receiver: &mut UnboundedReceiver<T>) -> Vec<T> {
    std::iter::from_fn(|| receiver.try_next().ok().flatten()).collect()
}

[opaque wharf]

Technically, it is a statement

[glass flower]

[tender river]

it is not

[faint sandal]

does anyone have that "x is for delusional ppl" meme but with rust

[opaque wharf]

Alright, expression

[ember finch]

[opaque sigil]

just remember, any {} block returns a value, that value being the last expression in the block
including functions

[glass flower]

i mean... yeah...

[opaque wharf]

I am too sleep deprived to explain things

[opaque sigil]

there's also nothing stopping you from just doing return messages; (pls don't crucify me chay)

[glass flower]

its just weird being able to just have something as the last thing. instead of it being empty or with a return statement

[opaque sigil]

takes some getting used to for sure, but it does offer some nice things

[opaque wharf]

It's just another concept that you need to be familiar with

[glass flower]

its not a big thing just was odd

[opaque sigil]

like not needing an extra syntax for ternaries

[wet oyster]

Sounds similar to some aspects of js

[glass flower]

i also should probably disable inlay hints... they are making it harder to read i think

[opaque sigil]

i usually turn them off but i know a lot of people like to keep them on for seeing the intermediate types

[tender river]

useless braces

[glass flower]

i know... let me be. im rewriting my cpp code in rust and just want it to work

[tender river]

[glass flower]

every function i wrote is still technically "unused" since i haven't tested anything yet

maybe i should actually connect things up and just see if it atleast runs...

[tender river]

naaah it typechecks surely its fine

[glass flower]

it also builds

(with 35 warnings)

[opaque sigil]

if it builds it must run

[glass flower]

[olive sable]

glDrawArraysInstanced(GL_TRIANGLE_STRIP, 0, 5, 1000000);
1 million instances

[opaque wharf]

Sam next logical step is rust

[trim valve]

inlay hints mentioned

[olive sable]

no?
rust doesnt run on the gpu

[opaque wharf]

Oh, he shows up

[opaque sigil]

rust uses llvm

[opaque wharf]

Neither does C technically

[opaque sigil]

llvm can target nvptx so it runs on the gpu

actually

does rust expose llvm intrinsics in any form

[tender river]

it kinda does

but not in a public way

[olive sable]

yep, but vulkan does

[trim valve]

#programming message mandatory posting

[opaque wharf]

Wtf

[tender river]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/core/intrinsics/index.html

[olive sable]

can it run my shaders tho?

[glass flower]

i mean... you can write everything in rust that you can write in C or c++ so yes you can write gpu code

[trim valve]

I basically made a massive set of generics to control an application

[opaque wharf]

Its kinda different a bit

[trim valve]

so everything was typechecked and extensible

at the slight cost of insane generic signatures

[opaque wharf]

LSP stress test

[rigid snow]

i am personally an inlay hint enjoyer, and yes,

[rigid snow]

this is good actually

[opaque sigil]

ah i figured as much, sadge

but i guess it's rust so makes sense

[trim valve]

its good but it does not need to be a multiline inlay hint

[rigid snow]

it needs to be as descriptive as it can be

[trim valve]

just look at how clean the result was

[opaque wharf]

[trim valve]

(there are totally not a metric fuckton of other lines that completely negate a lot of this cleanliness)

[glass flower]

honestly.. i've roughly been working on this cpp => rust project for like a week. and i do start to enjoy rust a bit. tho i don't like how restrictive the compiler is sometimes. (but i guess thats kinda the point of rust )

[olive sable]

everytime i start the game engine the twitch stream im watching freezes the video and i have to reload the page

[sage crag]

dyn objects are working

[opaque wharf]

I am now too scared to ask. Did GPU program not have some sort of protection between them?

Or is it because of the browser?

[olive sable]

i have no clue

probabyl somethign to do with decoding on the gpu

[faint sandal]

that can happen when there's not enough resource to decode the video, and eventually the renderer just gives up

[olive sable]

so my pc gives full priority to opengl ig?

[glass flower]

i mean.. i'd assume the gpu has its own scheduler. so a game or a program will take priority over something like a browser

[sage crag]

demo

not sure what the best usecase would be in lily though

perhaps some DynAllocator, DynHasher, etc

for deduplicating some code

[opaque wharf]

Normal gradle things

[opaque sigil]

reasonable response to gradle

[sage crag]

a a a a

[tender river]

generally its not used that often

but obviously for something like kernel modules its a must

for low throughput and high variance

[dry charm]

if you do not do this while doing gradle, you are not doing gradle

[sage crag]

makes sense

struggling to think of the immediate usecase except for things like callbacks

schedulers perhaps

[tender river]

good point its good for type erasure

[sage crag]

yeh

[sage crag]

async in particular

Future(T) would be a convenient dynobject

[tender river]

Box<dyn Future>

[sage crag]

though, yes

[sage crag]

what are you planning to do with the function ptr type

im curious

[tender river]

have you looked at how many lsp commands there are

[sage crag]

nope

[tender river]

good

dont

[sage crag]

oki poki

[tender river]

have you seen rpc.hb

[sage crag]

nope

[tender river]

good

[sage crag]

it appears that function ptrs work with named arguments

and without

[sage crag]

[tender river]

its a file full of just struct definitions

[sage crag]

lovely

hang on let me check if i can do overload arguments with this

i cannot

bwaa

[tender river]

awab

[sage crag]

no way of checking if function has an arg or not

[tender river]

mhm thats what i complained about a while ago, no way to get function arity or its argument types

[opaque wharf]

Reflections

[sage crag]

i was hoping @len_of() or @has_decl() or indexing would work on fptrs but uh

yeah

perhaps on @TypeOf(&func)

but doubtful

[sage crag]

awa

i think it makes sense to keep a DynAllocator in alloc.hb because it serves as an up-to-date representation of the allocator api

[tender river]

[sage crag]

its also convenient for small things

[opaque sigil]

what would a DynAllocator be for, isn't the normal allocator already pretty damn generic

[sage crag]

takes_alloc := fn(alloc: DynAllocator): []u8 {
  return alloc.alloc(u8, 100) || &.[]
}

main := fn(): void {
  // weep woop
  x := takes_alloc(DynAllocator.new(&arena))
  y := takes_alloc(DynAllocator.new(&slab))
  // etc
}

[tender river]

i use arena and noop (always returns null) allocators, theres also the heap allocator

[sage crag]

takes_alloc doesnt need to be monomorphised if you use dynamic objects

[opaque sigil]

ah so basically as an interface

got it

[tender river]

when you dont have something like rust its more convenient to not use regular malloc/free everywhere but use specialized storage strategies

[opaque sigil]

oh i know

[tender river]

mhm and theres no interfaces in hblang, only @Any() and thoughts and prayers

[sage crag]

DynObj := struct {
    .v_func: ^fn(^void): u8;
    .obj: ^void

    $func := fn(self: ^DynObj): u8 {
        return self.v_func(self.obj)
    }
    $new := fn(obj: @Any()): DynObj {
        T := @TypeOf(obj.*)
        fptr := @as(^fn(^T): u8, &T.func)
        return .(@bit_cast(fptr), @bit_cast(obj))
    }
}

Obj := struct {
    .state: u8
    func := fn(self: ^Obj): u8 return self.state + 1
}

yeh, mild inconvenience when setting one up, but as you can see, only the new function is generic, dynamic dispatch is used for other bits

[opaque wharf]

Man, 2.4GHz band needs to be nuked

[tender river]

that would be a pretty big explosion

[sage crag]

yeh

[opaque sigil]

i'm down

nuke it all

[opaque wharf]

I am an evil fan, what do you expect?

[sage crag]

@Any() is supposed to actually be @Any(<func> | <type>, <type>, ...)

[tender river]

closed polymorphism?

[sage crag]

takes_alloc := fn(alloc: @Any(is_allocator)): []u8 {
  return alloc.alloc(u8, 100) || &.
}
is_allocator := fn($T: type): bool { return false }
// ...

[tender river]

i see

[sage crag]

of course its unimplemented

however @Any() still takes arbitrary arguments

(even if they are no-op)

fn(alloc: lily.alloc.AnyAllocator): void {}
fn(alloc: @Any()): void {}

one makes you feel safer

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

will be adding DynAllocator to this list

and then you have the choice between monomorphisation and dynamic dispatch without a change to the interface

[sage crag]

DynAllocator := struct {
  .alloc: ^fn(^void, $T: type)
}

i have encountered the first problem

somehow i do not think this is going to work

[tender river]

i did suggest you to switch it to alignment+size layouts before

and use typed APIs as wrappers around those

[sage crag]

you may be right

let's do it now

[tender river]

good luck

[sage crag]

i have encountered the second problem

compiler bug

[tender river]

[tender river]

i got used to just randomly renaming stuff when the compiler complains

[sage crag]

i have surpassed the second problem

[tender river]

it used to complain much more

but i still have T1 everywhere instead of T in json.hb

[sage crag]

im considering changing dealloc to just accept a ptr instead of a ptr and a length

[olive sable]

damn this shader ugyl as fuck

[sage crag]

but then it might be mean for making all allocators track allocations

[tender river]

probably safe to copy this https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/alloc/struct.Global.html

[sage crag]

they use a ptr and a Layout

where Layout is size/align

hm

[sage crag]

does it ever make sense to change the align of an existing allocation

seems dubious to me

[tender river]

while it does not, it does not make sense to make the allocator store it

[sage crag]

yeah, i agree

[tender river]

without dependent types you pretty much just have to say "this should be the same not like i can prove that"

[sage crag]

unsafe fn grow(
    &self,
    ptr: NonNull<u8>,
    old_layout: Layout,
    new_layout: Layout,
) -> Result<NonNull<[u8]>, AllocError>

rust uses this

which is interesting

i think i will elect to do this:
.resize: ^fn(^void, ^u8, mem.Layout, uint): ?[]u8;

mhm

[tender river]

note that they dont pass allocation size other than the layout

the layout serves as both

[sage crag]

yeah

[tender river]

so it does make sense imo

and you can provide higher level wrappers on top of it

[sage crag]

speaking of, i should probably make it return Result huh

vaguely annoying

will be cost free when tagged unions

[tender river]

you dont have to since nullptrs are undefined behavior

[sage crag]

reason for alloc error is vaguely useful tho

[tender river]

just make it return ?^void

[opaque wharf]

Define it

[tender river]

no

[sage crag]

?[]u8 is more useful imo

[tender river]

that should be already known as part of the layout

[sage crag]

in the case that
alloc(100, u8) -> [50]u8
then i suppose you will just retry allocation anyway

hm

[tender river]

no you dont retry this just should not ever happen

it should return what was asked of it or null

[opaque wharf]

The construction of mat3 is not symmetric

[sage crag]

hum

[tender river]

hence ^void

[sage crag]

void over u8 mhm

[tender river]

whatever works

[sage crag]

while im here

[tender river]

you can alternatively look at https://github.com/ziglang/zig/blob/master/lib/std/mem/Allocator.zig

[sage crag]

alloc, alloc_zeroed, dealloc, resize, anything ideas for other things?

[tender river]

but what is this

[sage crag]

funny

[tender river]

erm i mean this should be enouhgh

[sage crag]

tracing where allocation came from?

[tender river]

vaguely useful for dynamic analysis maybe

or for doing unspeakable things to objects depending on their lineage

[sage crag]

but why did they use usize and not ?*void

[sage crag]

i wonder why zig returns a slice

?[*]u8 is an optional slice

possibly just flexibility reasons

[opaque sigil]

you're allocating memory, why wouldn't you return a slice

[sage crag]

arbitrary design choice

[opaque sigil]

how else would you represent a chunk of memory

[tender river]

imo its bad that it returns a slice because it allows the API to return something with length other than len

by making it only return the pointer you remove the potential for depending on the returned length being somewhat different from the len in arguments

and the caller has len either way as they provided it

[opaque sigil]

hmm

[tender river]

this is interface design 101

dont expose anything beyond the bare minimum or it will be depended on

[sage crag]

ret := alloc(100)
if ret == null die
if ret.?.len < 100 die

imo its mainly ergonomics. provided your allocation was undersized you are likely to redo the allocation anyway

[opaque sigil]

is it even exposed?

idk if you can call the raw vtable funcs directly

[tender river]

imo ergonomics are to be provided by a higher level wrapper

[sage crag]

even disregarding the "allocator should never do this" standpoint

[opaque sigil]

i guess there's nothing stopping you from doing so

[tender river]

this is not ergonomics this is a bad allocator

[sage crag]

general userspace allocators have different requirements to systems allocators

system allocator failing is catastrophic, cant do much about that

[tender river]

system allocators dont do "give me some memory up to N bytes" either, they do "give me exactly N bytes"

and so do userspace allocators

[sage crag]

i agree

i didnt disagree with that

[tender river]

so if ret.?.len < 100 ever runs its a bad allocator

so it makes sense to remove the ability to write allocators like that by making them not return slices

[sage crag]

i believe you may have misread what i said, i didnt say it was a good design choice

[tender river]

[sage crag]

awb

[sage crag]

speaking of arbitrary design choices

init or new

[opaque sigil]

create

[sage crag]

zig fan

bwa

[tender river]

imo it makes sense for init to intiialize existing objects and new to create new objects

create is longer than new rejected

[sage crag]

new to new objects
create to create objects

5head design choice

[opaque sigil]

i think the clear answer is to copy the name of the struct

[sage crag]

very usable

A := arena.create()
B := arena.new()

arbitrary naming choice is always the hardest

deciding create has too many chars

[olive sable]

imm aneed to watch the acerola grass video again, my grass sucks

[tender river]

wait is it for allocation?

or for creating new arenas

[mighty thorn]

Yo

It is I

John programming