#programming
amber fractal
hoary lion
olive sable
iggly is talking about his minecraft and you are talking about my 48GB ram allocation
amber fractal
I'm going to be stupid and push render distance, surely I'll not get ram limited
my battery is loving this extended load test
olive sable
if you cant do render distance 1024 then what are you even doing? 
i love this screenshot
hoary lion
I want to say something so badly but I'll be executed
olive sable
hoary lion
yk what am thinking
olive sable
goddamnit
hoary lion
hoary lion
nah this rendering is just weird
like where are the circular views available in every render distance
stray dragon
like where are the circular views available in every render distance
would need to generate loads of chunks for that
the game just doesn't wanna
olive sable
i just went in a straight line, that mod doesnt generate chunks just keeps them loaded in vram
amber fractal
Alright 48 chunks is too much, noted
olive sable
48 is still decent for igpu
amber fractal
12th gen intel framework
olive sable
ah
amber fractal
This thing does not like extra buffers
virtual displays kill the system, distant horizons kills the system
olive sable
the i5 or i7?
amber fractal
i7
olive sable
1280 or 12060?
amber fractal
1280p
olive sable
amber fractal
Considering the minecraft performance, I think you can see why the gaming system is just for vr
olive sable
yep
amber fractal
I'll keep that client at 4gb and call it a day
olive sable
altho i believe it would be able to handle it if vr and drivers werent so shit
i could run vr of my phone at 165fps easily if i used the same engine stuff as rn
amber fractal
If steamvr worked, I'd try MC VR
just for the lols if I didn't have software blockers
in iGPU we trust
Nice battery performance tho. though like a macbook it doesn't care if it is charging or not.
olive sable
you were talking about rt cores before but i just realized you dont even have those 
amber fractal
We do a bit of trolling
I've also never been able to play with nvidium for similar reasons.
not like I've needed it
olive sable
you have 24 rops, and 48 tmus 
idk what that means but thats almost as many as the 5090's were missing
the 5090's i was like 12 or somethign idk
olive sable
I've also never been able to play with nvidium for similar reasons.
nvidium was designed for nvidea gous so makes sense
amber fractal
nvidium was designed for nvidea gous so makes sense
It also loves vram, something my 3060m is lacking
nvidium runs worse on that system
olive sable
only 4gb im guessing?
amber fractal
6gb
olive sable
so better than my 3050m at least
amber fractal
stark needle
Why is iggly JavaScript 😭😭
amber fractal
I got caught in the crossfire of a she cursing people into js
olive sable
dense cosmos
My AI degree surely came in clutch
tight tinsel
physical interview today
olive sable
my headphones are dead so the universe has manifested that its time for a break
tight tinsel
i have literally no idea what the dress code is but since the more formal attire will not fit me ill have to wear something else
olive sable
just a nice shirt will do
dense cosmos
I just showed up in white shirt and black pants
tight tinsel
shouldnt really make a difference hopefully its a skin melting 33c today and i would like to come dry
amber fractal
physical interview today
I'll be joining you after sleeping
also physical interview
olive sable
i love job intervieuws
ignore the fact that im a freeloader
tight tinsel
not even a job its just for a course
light osprey
Im so scared to do anything with the languages ive learned just cuz im paranoid bruh
dry charm
Why are you scared?
opaque wharf
Why are you scared?
If you're using C#, you should be scared
https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/issues/117233
dry charm
If you're using C#, you should be scared
https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/issue...
Good thing I'm on linux 🙂
Also only Insider Preview
light osprey
Cuz of lack of jobs im thinking about freelancing
But im thinking like
Will my code be good enough
hoary lion
tbh i dont even know what to make even after learning programming languages
light osprey
tbh i dont even know what to make even after learning programming languages
Real
hoary lion
actual big question to #programming
what do I do with C knowledge
except learning C++
light osprey
What do i do with assembly knowledge
hoary lion
or do the infinite grail of leetcode/codeforces question
hoary lion
What do i do with assembly knowledge
make a roller coaster simulator
light osprey
or do the infinite grail of leetcode/codeforces question
I mean it’s case studies so it’s not a bad idea
light osprey
There’s a first time for everything
open dawn
Im so scared to do anything with the languages ive learned just cuz im paranoid ...
in my case, i had been planning to make game ripoffs or take online ideas and create them
simple stuff of course
"planning" cause im still learning the language
light osprey
Thats the thing
I need to start leaning towards a specific field of programming
Im just sitting here with the knowledge of how coding is done
opaque wharf
Just look at codebullet video if you plan to do ripoff game. He is the master at that art lol
light osprey
ooooh
Yeah i currently know java python js cpp and web dev but ive never used them to make actual projects
olive sable
why not?
light osprey
why not?
- Never got the right opportunity
- No motivation to code
- No confidence in my own coding
My dads like
You should start teaching other kids how to code and im like… do i know how to code
Like i will write a program but it might be the most basic thing youve ever laid your eyes upon
olive sable
basic does not mean bad
complicated programs are just a bunch of basic progrmas stiched toghether
light osprey
Im not saying basic in that sense
Like the methods used in the code will be basic and might not be best
Like time complexity and all that
open dawn
1. Never got the right opportunity
2. No motivation to code
3. No confidence in...
i mean
even if your codes not that good
why is that an issue?
no one was born a good programmer
light osprey
The thing is
Idk which way to go xD
olive sable
my code is completely focused on speed so in other ways of grading its complete dogshit
open dawn
1. Never got the right opportunity
2. No motivation to code
3. No confidence in...
you also shouldn't rely on motivation
but build discipline
light osprey
This is some actual good advice
I wasnt expecting this ngl
olive sable
this chat is full of programmers that have had simiar issues
feel free to ask questions here for stuff
light osprey
im still on the stage of learning
Learning never ends
open dawn
i mean
olive sable
you say "dont rely on motivation" for the last 2 years ive programmed thats all ive been using lol
light osprey
By motivation i mean a reason to code
open dawn
Learning never ends
im still learning about null value types
open dawn
By motivation i mean a reason to code
what was the reason that got you through learning all these languages?
light osprey
what was the reason that got you through learning all these languages?
Its so stupid bruh
open dawn
eh?
olive sable
most people first have a goal and then learn the language
open dawn
you say "dont rely on motivation" for the last 2 years ive programmed thats all ...
i've been relying on motivation for the past 2 years and i just began seriously learning C#
olive sable
i recently started C++
open dawn
i only know C#
and
that just somewhat
well, i guess the very basics of python as well
opaque wharf
Just take a look at #1336777692070023271 and help one
The stake is not high so it's a good learning opportunity
open dawn
you could also do a quick search
light osprey
I used to build these projects in highschool using legos and arduino and we used to code it ourselves and it got me thinking that i love coding
When i actually picked up coding it turned out that microcontrollers are a completely separate field and this is different. Its more basic but i thought maybe this would link back to yk microcontrollers so i learned it
open dawn
on google
opaque wharf
i recently started C++
Hey, since when did you become SamVanMaele.cpp
Give back the old Sam
opaque wharf
light osprey
i have been classed
Whos the parent
olive sable
NaN
light osprey
NaN <:bwaadow:1332074721155612753>
isNaN is false tho
olive sable
what did you guys use to learn the code languages you know?
so i started with wanting to build a game-engine, then just did shit and googled solutions to my problems
first nearly 2 years in python, now same thing i c++
light osprey
Im currently in uni
open dawn
i see
olive sable
i have only recently graduated hs
olive sable
Thats not even comparable
light osprey
True
dense cosmos
I started with wanting to make my own CAD application
light osprey
I started with wanting to make my own CAD application
olive sable
olive sable
Thats kinda similair to a game engine ig?
dense cosmos
yep
nocturne olive
I made a mistake of learning python before java
I started with Kotlin, uses Java's ecosystem but doesn't suck
light osprey
Im at the stage where idk which way to go
dense cosmos
just try to make anything that excites you?
olive sable
I think its a good idea to find what you want to make and then learn what you need for that
opaque wharf
so i started with wanting to build a game-engine, then just did shit and googled...
Don't forget the cursed shit that you went through and still is doing 
olive sable
For example i do gamedev with focus on 3D.
So how to use shaders and stuff
open dawn
Im at the stage where idk which way to go
which way would you enjoy the most?
and which would be most beneficial
olive sable
Don't forget the cursed shit that you went through and still is doing <:ClaraKek...
Part of the procces
Yall dont appreciatie my high iq genius code
dense cosmos
my first event system was atrocious
opaque wharf
Don't worry, its fun for us too
dense cosmos
never doing that again
olive sable
my first event system was atrocious
It always is 
My first event system was condensed pure ass
dense cosmos
tbh I'm not a fan of how event systems can obfuscate the control flow of the program
light osprey
Like i know dbms web dev as well
dense cosmos
with unreal I had the problem of trying to find where the hell code was being executed from
olive sable
tbh I'm not a fan of how event systems can obfuscate the control flow of the pro...
Most of the time you just have it in the main loop no?
Oh unreal
Unreal
dense cosmos
Most of the time you just have it in the main loop no?
I mean, you can throw events beyond just input events
olive sable
Yep
Rezising, minimizing, mouse, touchscreen
Ive always just put it in the main loop tho
Just handles variables which get used later
olive sable
I have option for either but having them all toghether makes sense for me
dense cosmos
mmm
olive sable
There isnt any latency diffrence anyways
dense cosmos
I have to implement levelling system multiple times for enemies and weapons 
I should've made it beforehand
tbh it's basically just setting variables
but it's still going to be annoying to setup
olive sable
Anyways goodnight
dense cosmos
gn
open dawn
gn
sour lotus
tight tinsel
I have returned from my interview and aptitude test
opaque wharf
Where is the android sfx assets usually stored at? Like dialing tone for example when waiting for a number to answer
uneven pulsar
Nah grok being an ai waifu is crazy as fuck😭
Dude elon be rendering her at max 99k HD with max ai upscaling rendering😭
jagged turtle
Dude elon be rendering her at max 99k HD with max ai upscaling rendering😭
setting her to level 999 as well
you can tell that this man is truly divorced
uneven pulsar
setting her to level 999 as well
you can tell that this man is truly divorced
The freakers are going to run 20 rtx 5090 to goom at 99k HD max rendering speed😭
And the fact grok ot they call her grok chan have her own nasa computer 😭
And her physics run faster and better than 99% AAA games😭
jagged turtle
did you see the new job listings for xAI btw
uneven pulsar
did you see the new job listings for xAI btw
Dam wow
jagged turtle
not that I expect you to know, but just out of curiosity
uneven pulsar
They need more people to update grok chan for the freakers
Honestly grok isn't available in my country so won't work
jagged turtle
I just dgaf about grok but it is based for fact-checking its owner sometimes
uneven pulsar
Still he kinda made a smart move😭
uneven pulsar
I just dgaf about grok but it is based for fact-checking its owner sometimes
I see
I mean for some reasons elon really made a smart move 😭
jagged turtle
well yeah
nocturne olive
The freakers are going to run 20 rtx 5090 to goom at 99k HD max rendering speed...
20 5090s would render real-time applications slower than a single 5090
jagged turtle
but what if they were combined
midnight sigil
20 5090s would render real-time applications slower than a single 5090
not if you have some parallel technology
nocturne olive
Well, games don't have that
midnight sigil
we want NV Link on commercial level nvidia graphics cards!!!!!!
midnight sigil
I remember people doing 4x 3080 builds back then
crazy stuff
burning the fuck out of those psu
nocturne olive
Multiple 3080s won't really be much faster in games, mostly multi-GPU is useful for compute tasks like ML and stuff
And then there's my setup, 4070Ti + 3090, where the 4070Ti renders and 3090 does ML
nocturne olive
I need money for NeuroSynth hardware
3090 is good, but you know what would be even better? Two 3090s
faint sandal
I need money in general
stark needle
i need money as well
noble zodiac
just gamble, free money generator
opaque wharf
fathom charm
Just steal and claim your friends old gpus
Especially those who works in animation, rendering and related field
lament igloo
i remember that i wrote this
noble zodiac
ok
lament igloo
has anyone ever done this
opaque wharf
has anyone ever done this
Yes, someone that runs CodeParade channel
He has function that takes I think up to 40 argument
safe path
I have returned from my interview and aptitude test
how was it
is it also your birthday today
tight tinsel
no i just never changed the nickname
it was well, i managed to get all my achievements and projects across and answered most of their tough questions
one of the interviewers had a very very heavy chinese accent but at least i can still understand it
true hemlock
20 5090s would render real-time applications slower than a single 5090
not necessarily true.
if you optimized for multi gpu, you can task multiple GPUs to work together
olive sable
`clang++ -O3 -mavx -std=c++11 SamVanMaele.cpp -o dummy`
Goodmorning 
I need to go to a rich people party
olive sable
Immediatly handed alcohol
opaque wharf
Are you at a wedding?
opaque wharf
Ahh got it
raw trout
My stepdad works under the ceo
zamn rich sam
opaque wharf
Just enjoy the party and make some connection there if you want. Who knows, maybe one of the person there worked at a game studio
olive sable
Im not gonna say what company this is, but none of these people use tech
olive sable
Im not even old enoughto drink cava lmao
4 days left
opaque wharf
4 days left
Eh, close enough
olive sable
But ye i drank it anyways they didnt id me
sage crag
awa
rare bramble
removing inefficiencies from my base
olive sable
awa
rare bramble
bwawa
opaque sigil
stark needle
bwabw
tender river
hoary lion
morning
amber fractal
yep
amber fractal
gn 
sick owl
opaque wharf
I cannot sleep
olive sable
I am back home
trim valve
ok 
does anyone here have any input on a problem I'm trying to solve?
tl;dr I want to make a USB stick with an install of moonlight on it that I can use to remote into my desktop from anywhere (specifically an ubuntu machine that I don't have root on)
My main issue is that on devices I own, I access the machine through tailscale, which uses tap/tun devices (and I don't think these are available without root)
so my question is, which of the following options seems the most reasonable (or suggest a better idea):
- create a custom build of moonlight with networking calls shunted through tailscale instead of the OS (lots of effort)
- run tailscaled in "userspace" mode which creates a socks5 proxy ("easy" but requires making a custom build of moonlight that explicitly doesn't disable proxies, and even then idk if it will fully work or not)
- I might be able to do something with appimages but no idea how those work
tender river
ok <:glueless:1282337396230328425> does anyone here have any input on a problem ...
proxies are your best bet but if you're worried about it working just use some LD_PRELOAD shim that hijacks network requests and redirects them through a proxy
i'm sure it exists
or or or you can try some program that hosts a local service that simply transmits all traffic through a socks proxy
i'm sure it exists as well
trim valve
tailscale can host the proxy which should do that
its getting moonlight to use that proxy which is the issue
tender river
i'm suggesting ways to avoid that
trim valve
oic
tender river
or or or you can try some program that hosts a local service that simply transmi...
then you just connect to 127.0.0.1:whatever and it transmits all traffic through the proxy
trim valve
https://github.com/zouguangxian/tsocks looks like it might work
from a cursory glance
tender river
try it 
trim valve
because I think that would just be a case of ```sh
tailscaled <run in userspace, proxy available at localhost:1212>
tsocks moonlight-qt
but in parallel will do
I just
it will take a while :3
(note: this is the speed I'm remote desktopping at, not the speed of the pc I'm remoting into)
which is mildly better but I've had to drop my stream to 0.5mbps 720p @ 15 fps and even then its struggling hard
fading olive
If you can SSH then you can use an ssh tunnel pretty easy
trim valve
unfortunately I need a desktop environment
fading olive
I mean you create an SSH tunnel and then run moonlight or whatever over it
fading olive
openssh and putty both support socks proxy over ssh tunnel
trim valve
instead of proxying the moonlight client, make a mock sunshine server on localhost that is itself proxied
tender river
or or or you can try some program that hosts a local service that simply transmi...
thats exactly what i was talking about here
trim valve
ok actually mildly possible option
fading olive
I think you can also use tailscale funnel to allow access to a tailscale protected service from a non-tailscale device.
trim valve
iirc that's only for http services
fading olive
hmm maybe, I've never used it
trim valve
ok so
tailscaled /* setup socks proxy, use ephemeral app key */ &
ssh /* go through proxy, forward all ports required */ &
moonlight-client /* with a client registered at localhost in the config */
that feels overkill though
rough bloom
iirc that's only for http services
it can do TCP, somewhat
pretty sure that it'll still end up exposed through HTTPS though, so it's incompatible with Moonlight (and exposed to the internet 
)
fading olive
trim valve
I think moonlight prefers udp for streaming anyways
tender river
I think moonlight prefers udp for streaming anyways
does tailscale socks support udp
rough bloom
I don't think you'll get UDP over ssh and the tailscale socks proxy either 
trim valve
fading olive
even using an SSH tunnel would end up being TCP
tender river
I don't think you'll get UDP over ssh and the tailscale socks proxy either <:mah...
socks5 does support udp
its just that its not a widely supported feature
i have implemented it multiple times though
trim valve
because I *think* that would just be a case of ```sh
tailscaled <run in userspac...
I might try this then
tender river
i have implemented it multiple times though
fragmentation is the weirdest part but nobody supports it
rough bloom
I might try this then
if tsocks doesn't work there's also proxychains
btw neither tsocks nor proxychains seem to support proxying UDP packets 
tender river
skill issue honestly
trim valve
third time I've forgotten to disable secure boot when setting up vms
rigid snow
i should try nuxt now that vercel pays the contributors 
hm, vercel is becoming a full stack web framework monopoly… first they took over nextjs, then they hired rich harris, and now they acquire nuxtlabs
very interesting
what’s left, solidstart?
but like fr why does one company pay them all? i guess it’s good that someone is paying open source devs but one company… imagine something happens to vercel, gotta be a tragedy for the web dev ecosystem
must be great to not give a shit about web dev
trim valve
imagine someone uses vercel, tragedy
rigid snow
i dont use them, my point is that they pay all of those to maintain the frameworks right
what if they stop
it’s got to be a crisis
whatever guys if you want to remain sane use laravel ok
vercel does not pay them. yet
hoary lion
hm, vercel is becoming a full stack web framework monopoly… first they took over...
next is falling down tho
rigid snow
next is falling down tho
wdym
hoary lion
next js, getting too hard to use
too many features that are unnecessary
praying for vercel's downfall
opaque sigil
as if that has ever stopped people from using the product, just look at unreal
hoary lion
rigid snow
too many features that are unnecessary
what? like what
i genuinely don’t understand
not trying to defend anything
hoary lion
i mean like, i just want to get the hang of building a simple website in nextjs, but there are like edge functions, app router, middleware, RSCs and stuff
it's too complicated
rigid snow
because it’s supposed to be the non opinionated minimal one, same philosophy as react
open finch
i mean like, i just want to get the hang of building a simple website in nextjs,...
Huh? App router is literally just a folder structure and you don't have to have to implement your own routing like in react-router.
Idk what is hard about app router tbh
rigid snow
i mean like, i just want to get the hang of building a simple website in nextjs,...
app router is not difficult to understand at all that’s just a skill issue
RSC and server actions sure, but all you need to know is “use server” means render on server only, “use client” means both on server and client, omitting that means that it’ll inherit that from the parent component
open finch
If anything Next.js simplifies a lot of things and React devs are taking notes and implementing stuff in react from Next
But on the other hand... I've heard a lot of bad things about new Next version, because Vercel is pushing their platform down your throat
rigid snow
app router is not difficult to understand at all that’s just a skill issue
RSC a...
and you don’t have to use middleware nor edge functions
not necessary for anything
hoary lion
But on the other hand... I've heard a lot of bad things about new Next version, ...
this is what I hate tbh
have anyone tried deploying next js application outside of vercel platform
like aws or gcp
open finch
and that kinda harms the performance of the web too
Also if you're building a site with knowing what are you doing you can use SSG with Next which is literally a plain html file
rigid snow
it’s literally as simple as not fucking using vercel features?
open finch
have anyone tried deploying next js application outside of vercel platform
I have some projects for cliens on their hosts with docker-compose (even tho sometimes I hate my life using docker, because fuck WSL and Microsoft)
open finch
it’s just a node js app
Or it's just a React in a nutshell (quite literally lol)
You can even spam "use client" everywhere and use it as React lol
rigid snow
You can even spam "use client" everywhere and use it as React lol
or you know not use the app router
open finch
or you know not use the app router
I first learned React and after I've tried Next (and Vue for that matter)... man... React was behind in some many things....
But with verision 19 things looking quite optimistic
rigid snow
the thing with react is it’s trying very hard to be a library
bring your own solution to every problem
type shit
open finch
the thing with react is it’s trying very hard to be a library
Well... It is a library and not a framework... More like it tries to be a framework
rigid snow
no i said what i said
i mean, you have django or laravel or rails right? these things are as batteries included as it gets
open finch
i mean, you have django or laravel or rails right? these things are as batteries...
But they're frameworks...
And that's the thing with React it's not a framework. It's a library that presents itself as a framework
rigid snow
But they're frameworks...
and there’s next which tries to follow the very same principles as react does
or if we’re talking frontend which we are look at angular, very opinionated, solutions to many problems are either shipped as part of the base framework or are official packages
open finch
Or.... not present, but people have twisted understanding of React
rigid snow
react is still very much a library. a reactivity library if you must
open finch
Anyways React is a mess and it's like with C devs. They shit on C++ and love C, but somehow everything is on C++
Same here, React is a mess, but oh well, React is everywhere 😅
rigid snow
that’s exactly what i’m saying. not opinionated = messy codebases
“bring your own solution to everything” and they absolutely do
and i do
warped narwhal
like aws or gcp
AWS amplify is pretty good for any node project, it has a free tier as well
open finch
I still have to use React from time to time and.... oh god... There's some legacy code that drives me nuts
It's like a
hoary lion
epic embed fail
rigid snow
react is a REALLY good primitive and that’s why it’s everywhere. that’s what it is, a primitive. not even a library and definitely not a framework
that’s how far i’ll go even
warped narwhal
isn't it by definition a library?
open finch
https://tenor.com/view/fail-embed-fail-embed-gif-9722294440617564781
Yeah for some reason discord didn't want to embed thousand yard stare...
open finch
isn't it by definition a library?
Yesn't
rigid snow
isn't it by definition a library?
it 100% is
warped narwhal
Yeah for some reason discord didn't want to embed thousand yard stare...
you need 100 posts or something like this to unlock embed perms
hoary lion
Yeah for some reason discord didn't want to embed thousand yard stare...
you should be more active in this channel
or just the etnire server
open finch
Ooooh
hoary lion
youll have embed perms then
warped narwhal
https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1055665402388164708 go here then type t!rank to find out how far away you are
open finch
tyvm
hoary lion
before that you are stuck with embed failure laugh
rigid snow
rare bramble
checked out of curiosity and there is no creep where renewing it is more energy efficient than creating new ones, maybe only good for invasions and such?
olive sable
@real sierra juho did fuckign data scientist shit on the screeps renew system 
oh ye, lemme check on my screeps
rare bramble
I mean it was simple enought where i used GPT to generate the visualizion code, but it took me way longer to explain it well and it would have been faster for me to just write it myself 
rare bramble
olive sable
he screeped too much and got an aneurism or something
rare bramble
I have been wondering why he hasnt been talking here about screeps
olive sable
idk what my builders are doing but my containers keep breaking and they havent fixed the broken walls in a week
tender river
shiro hasnt been online since the 14th <:Hmmge:1182745577331638392>
he is celebrating his birthday irl instead of chatting on discord
olive sable
isnt it always his birthday?
i guess after 100 birthdays you do die of old age so im suprised he lasted more than a thousand
im joking but i do hope he's okay irl
olive sable
tender river
checked out of curiosity and there is no creep where renewing it is more energy ...
please renew your screeps one of them might be shiro
olive sable
my collision code hates me
gritty dust
my collision code hates me <:bwaadow:1332074721155612753>
damnn
olive sable
its workign now, this code is kinda cooked tho
opaque sigil
is it? looks fine to me
olive sable
this looks fine to you?
tender river
could use a closure
olive sable
what is that?
opaque sigil
idk how much a closure would help here but at the very least pull out the redundant calculations ig
opaque sigil
similar but not the same, maybe i'm blind but i feel like a closure would do more harm than good here
sage crag
pwa
olive sable
pwa
opaque sigil
okay i am blind
sage crag
eye
olive sable
hi
tender river
its literally the same code repeating 4 times
ok fine i'll reduce this to 2 (its really 4 but without fully first class functions i'll concede that it's 2)
sage crag
ok fine i'll reduce this to 2 (its really 4 but without fully first class functi...
i think sam should change this to a cpp preprocessor step that requests the code from chatgpt
sage crag
it's okay the soil has been defeated
olive sable
olive sable
E
tender river
<:evilShrug:1181337628575019039>
thats the funny thing about cleaning up duplicate code, it can end up being longer
(still good to do it imo)
sage crag
thats the funny thing about cleaning up duplicate code, it can end up being long...
its clean™
tender river
also wouldnt be as long if you used good braces 
olive sable
cod is a fish, and fish are in the water, and water is bad for computers, so not having the e in code is the same as destroying your pc
sage crag
hydrate or diedrate
tender river
code without e is cod. let this remind you that e is an important letter.
counterpoint e is used in floating point numbers
sage crag
orp
tender river
hoary lion
beach episode intensifies
they done make my sam into C++ file 
olive sable
hoary lion
i must join this challenge
olive sable
they made blaze slow and uncompilable 
olive sable
object oriented madness
small anvil
most likely going to rewrite this horrible catastrophe of a codebase in c++ or something
i made one change... it broke everything...
small anvil
definitely does not, its more so me
i thought i could get away with writing it in c# cause im already well versed in .NET, i mean, its been my primary language for 6 years
i just dont think something like this can be written safely and functionally without having to use weird hacks/shortcuts
hoary lion
why am I encountering OOM
the math aint mathing
let me think
ok i take it back again
wtf I was even making
wait... how do I even make a efficient padding mask
I was allocating 120,000^2 for the mask
small anvil
I was allocating 120,000^2 for the mask
holy moly
olive sable
hoary lion
okay but like how do I solve this
olive sable
small anvil
what are you trying to do?
opaque sigil
okay but like how do I solve this
get more ram
hoary lion
so am making some neural codec
and I need to pad sequences to same size for batching
or else, jax will literally burn down tons of operation on the vram
olive sable
120k is not that much ram tbf no?
hoary lion
and this validation mask is being hella inefficient
hoary lion
120k is not that much ram tbf no?
square it
hoary lion
since causal mask is just for the latent frames that gets compressed, so I can optimize this one
and rest of the valid mask should be operating in linear spaces ig
I hate refactoring
olive sable
14400000000 so 14.4 bilion
small anvil
seems like this isnt my area of expertise, if i knew how to help you i would but im not well versed in nerual stuff 
hoary lion
this is not even neural stuff issue tbh
this is just terrible planning and braindead behavior
small anvil
olive sable
as usual
olive sable
idkw hat that means but its good probably
hoary lion
it means less refactoring
hoary lion
sage crag
hoary lion
1 person found to kidnap to awa cult
olive sable
oddly threatening
hoary lion
don't act like you don't like it 
olive sable
is it actively your intent to be threatening konii or is it just how you are?
im geussing that means the 2nd part is correct?
hoary lion
4️⃣
sage crag
you will never know the amount of enjoyment i get out of this
olive sable
i will never know much about you in general ms. television
hoary lion
now that sentence made me extremely uncomfortable
olive sable
yep...
sage crag
now that sentence made me extremely uncomfortable
im cackling evilly
olive sable
it do be like that
olive sable
konii reminds me of someone i know irl except that konii is british and codes and my irl friend is belgian and sucks at coding
olive sable
nah, you're lesbian, they're transgender or something
sage crag
its not mutually exclusive
sage crag
im not processing samspeak today
olive sable
so basiclty i knew them as a girl
but they might be trans now
or well, they were but then werent or something i didnt bother to keep up with it
hoary lion
nah, you're lesbian, they're transgender or something
ooh lesbian mentioned
olive sable
at least half the woman in #programming are lesbian
sage crag
all 5 of us 
hoary lion
i still cannot comprehend woman exists in #programming or discord in general
i have seen so many fake ones
sage crag
all 5 of us <:enub:1163912230585237655>
not saying all are lesbian, phrasing
olive sable
i knew about you and shay but the rest too?
ah
ok
it seems like programmer girlfriend is lesbain DLC
hoary lion
oh claude, choosing that word was unwise
why is it 0 tokens for 4 minutes
opaque sigil
no money left for tokens
olive sable
sage crag
if you told people 200 years ago that you trade real currency for "tokens" which are exchanged to a thinking machine for words they would send you to an asylum
olive sable
the thinking machine has spoken
sage crag
i wonder what would happen to history if we sent back a phone with chatgpt to the late renaissance period
olive sable
probably be killed
hoary lion
no money left for tokens <:neuro7:1129322212265050204>
Cli be weird sometimes
sage crag
i forgot how much better life is when you consume adequate amounts of water and food
olive sable
olive sable
true tho i need to get my goblin as downstairs to raid the fridge
sage crag
isnt it 5am for you
olive sable
yes
sick sinew
i wonder what would happen to history if we sent back a phone with chatgpt to th...
Does ChatGPT keep the connection to the data centers that are required for it to function?
olive sable
yes, otherwise the hypothetical wouldnt make sense
sage crag
what that guy said
olive sable
im getting bullied
sage crag
awa
olive sable
"my bully is secretly my yuri dealer" 
sage crag
im a villain, not a bully
opaque sigil
some villains have standards
sage crag
standards
keen swift
opaque sigil
wtf
sage crag
would a villain really listen to The Beast - Lady Gaga
opaque sigil
according to sam apparently yes
sick sinew
Depending on where and when you bring ChatGPT to the Renaissance period it could either result in a witch hunt or certain scholars asking you a bunch of questions.
olive sable
sage crag
bad bracket man
olive sable
bad bracket man
i sthat my title now? the bad bracket man?
olive sable
skill isue
opaque sigil
clearly you should work on hblang to untire yourself
sage crag
this will not work like you think it will
though notes on hblang, since i havent done that recently
for loops, while loops, nullable type destructuring, and enum customisation now all exist
olive sable
opaque sigil
sage crag
for x := 0..10 {}
while cond {}
Enum := enum(f32) {
.v0 := 10.0;
.v1 := 15.0;
}
y: ?uint = null
if x := y {}
z := y || 100
oh also uninit memory support now
olive sable
sage crag
arr: [4]uint = idk
for i := 1.., elem := arr[..] {
elem.* = i
}
also for loops can do stuff like this
opaque sigil
wait is || not a logical or
olive sable
it should be?
opaque sigil
default?
opaque sigil
ah, fair enough
sage crag
```rust
arr: [4]uint = idk
for i := 1.., elem := arr[..] {
elem.* = i
}
```
a...
oh also this works on slices too
olive sable
`?T || T -> T`
what?
what does this mean
opaque sigil
```rust
arr: [4]uint = idk
for i := 1.., elem := arr[..] {
elem.* = i
}
```
a...
that looks so cursed
sage crag
what?
what does this mean
x: ?uint = null
y := 1
z := x || y
if z != 1 die
a little bit
opaque sigil
what?
what does this mean
|| as an infix operator between a nullable T and a T to return a T
opaque sigil
y if y is not None else 100 basically this
sage crag
also we now have generic handlers for certain panics and also builtins
@handler("entry", <func>)
@handler("memcpy", <func>)
@handler("slice_ioob", <func>)
@handler("for_loop_length_mismatch", <func>)
ooooh
sage crag
also we now have generic handlers for certain panics and also builtins
```rust
@...
first two are products of code golfing
opaque sigil
(i freaking hate the way python does ternaries but what can you do i guess)
olive sable
ye..
c++ does it better mostly but i still don't completely like it
using ? feels cursed
sage crag
also we now have generic handlers for certain panics and also builtins
```rust
@...
its a bit verbose but it is in fact useful
ioob_handler := fn(loc: @SrcLoc(), slice_len: uint, start: uint, end: uint): never {
die
}
@handler("slice_ioob", ioob_handler)
that's how most languages do it, you'll get used to it soon enough
olive sable
true
opaque sigil
though it's also a byproduct of if/else not being able to return a value
sage crag
if ioob_handler == void then the handler is ignored
opaque sigil
which is why in rust you can do let x = if true { 12 } else { 53 }
sage crag
oh right @field_name(T, N) is a new thing
probably temporary
as well as @frame_pointer() which is probably here to stay
opaque sigil
indexing into the fields?
olive sable
though it's also a byproduct of if/else not being able to return a value
thats fine, i prefer not having 40 diffrent ways the same word gets used.
the way rust uses it makes sense at least
sage crag
indexing into the fields?
Stru := struct {
.awa: uint;
}
// @field_name(Stru, 0) == "awa"
oe also @RootScope() which returns the root compilation unit
opaque sigil
can i get the field value given a string though
sage crag
can i get the field value given a string though
you would have to write the mapping for it using comptime functions
opaque sigil
i'm curious, when do you ever need the index 
sage crag
its generalisable though
sage crag
i'm curious, when do you ever need the index <:menherathonk:1165676336858275911>
formatter
opaque sigil
true i guess
sage crag
format := fn(v: @Any()): void {
$T := @TypeOf(v)
$l := @len_of(T)
$for n := 0..l {
f_name := @field_name(T, n)
}
}
(rest of function somewhere else)
opaque sigil
the @ fns are compiler built-ins right
sage crag
yeh
// in lib.hb
hmm := fn(): uint {
$if @has_decl(@RootScope(), "override_value") return @RootScope().override_value
return 1
}
// in main.hb
.{hmm} := @use("lib.hb")
override_value := 0
main := fn(): uint return hmm() // returns override_value
lets you do stuff like this
its only a little bit cursed
most of this is temporary until some kind of @TypeInfo() exists
opaque sigil
yeah i was about to ask, should be possible to already combine a couple of them to make a nicer interface
though i guess it doesn't really matter all that much
sage crag
yeah
there was a proposal some time back for a first class function type too but not much work has gone into that
aside from that, between last update, floats now work, linux c abi is now fully functional, there is dead code elimination in the compiler, etc
olive sable
sage crag
disregarding the critical bug fixes, most of which are caused by chayleafs cursed json parser
olive sable
im allowed to bully you back
sage crag
disregarding the critical bug fixes, most of which are caused by chayleafs curse...
what.
why is it so cursed
opaque sigil
i can't lie, this looks exactly like what i would expect from chay
olive sable
huh so chay also has some code in there
sage crag
this 490 line file caused the comptime stack limit to be raised like 3 times
olive sable
oh ye she had some pr's iirc
olive sable
hblang truely is the language of the lesbians
sage crag
i can't lie, this looks exactly like what i would expect from chay
the first thing she did was write an async monad
sage crag
hblang truely is the language of the lesbians
hm, not quite sure about that one
olive sable
oh fuck the sun is up.
i need to raid the fridge before my parents are downstairs
brb
opaque sigil
the first thing she did was write an async monad <:neuroCry:1110064189839523881>
hey, it's a nice stress test for the compiler i guess
sage crag
hey, it's a nice stress test for the compiler i guess
TOO MUCH STRESS
do you know how many bugs she has found
opaque sigil
i do not but i'm sure it's a lot
sage crag
i do not but i'm sure it's *a lot*
https://git.ablecorp.eu/mlokis/hblang/src/branch/main/BUGFIX.md
these were found mostly by me and chayleaf by shenanigans
what even is this
sage crag
i do not but i'm sure it's *a lot*
oh actually something else that's nice
hblang compiler can deduplicate mutually dependant recursive functions
olive sable
i am back with pancakes
sage crag
hblang compiler can deduplicate mutually dependant recursive functions
a := fn(_a: u8): u8 {
return b(_a + 1)
}
b := fn(_b: u8): u8 {
if _b == 10 return 0
return a(_b + 1)
}
c := fn(_c: i8): i8 {
return d(_c + 1)
}
d := fn(_d: i8): i8 {
if _d == 10 return 0
return c(_d + 1)
}
the compiler should be able to entirely remove c and d from the binary
its impressive i think
sage crag
not sure how useful but impressive nevertheless <:neuroPogHD:1057778797056901130...
its useful for code golfing metrics
sage crag
https://git.ablecorp.eu/mlokis/hblang/src/branch/main/BUGFIX.md
these were found...
go to async 2
what even is going on
opaque sigil
i saw the async one and quickly went away
opaque sigil
sage crag
its a good thing but also evil
olive sable
from bwaa to awa, how are yall doing today?
amber fractal
bwa
amber fractal
from bwaa to awa, how are yall doing today?
-# Your 4 options are: bwaa, bwa, bawa, and awa
opal fox
from bwaa to awa, how are yall doing today?
definitely bwaa
im just getting tortured by async right now, but i know it's an easy fix.. im just wayyy too tired right now
hoary lion
-# Your 4 options are: bwaa, bwa, bawa, and awa
im late to the party but definitely niuh should be added to the gang
amber fractal
im late to the party but definitely niuh should be added to the gang
If you know where niuh lands on this spectrum then let me know because I sure as frick don't.
opaque wharf
hoary lion
If you know where niuh lands on this spectrum then let me know because I sure as...
niuh is... just niuh. I take my opinion back as it does not fit in this spectrum
opaque wharf
welp, there is a small hole in my leg now cuz im stupid
As in, you fall somewhere or 3D model?
olive sable
me the irl human's leg
opaque wharf
I know that feel, just the other day I was also sliding down the asphalt lol. Hope it gets well soon
opaque wharf
That's not something you do when you have time Sam, but ASAP
gritty dust
from bwaa to awa, how are yall doing today?
I'm alive so that's cool
olive sable
hi cheese
olive sable
That's not something you do when you have time Sam, but ASAP
nah
my leg will survive
opaque wharf
Hmm, I guess its also depends on the cause and how big it is. In my case it is quite a big scar from asphalt, so ye, makes sense
olive sable
small surface area, a bit deep tho
gritty dust
need to finish this game
Based, game comes first tbh
gritty dust
small surface area, a bit deep tho
I use a sticky note to cover small wounds so I'd recommend it
olive sable
gritty dust
<:neurOMEGALUL:1097297318119743638>
I mean if it works it works
bitter coral
I finally went back to work on my art program today. my undo-redo solution works!!!
it only took like 4 hours to rearrange things for it.
maiden geyser
bro uses proper punctuation
olive sable
opaque wharf
Since highlight.js support brainfuck, I thought it would do something to emojicode
bitter coral
I don’t really think I could have used godots undo-redo system well as it required a method to undo an action. Which my solution sidesteps by just remaking the image without the last action.
maiden geyser
art program... in godot?
opaque wharf
art program... in godot?
It's not uncommon to make some tooling using game engine
What I AM concerned about is that undo method
bitter coral
art program... in godot?
That is in fact how I’m spending my time.
opaque wharf
And if you want to learn emojicode
https://www.emojicode.org/
Now I wonder why array based programming language like APL, BQN and the like didn't use emoji
bitter coral
What I AM concerned about is that undo method
I just have a base image that can’t be undone past, and then a list of actions that modified it. Then to undo I just reconstruct the current drawing but ignore anything past the undo point.
opaque wharf
I just have a base image that can’t be undone past, and then a list of actions t...
That's not a bad strat. I thought you are literally saving every image as every action is being applied lol
I was thinking if there is a function that can only be applied one way which makes the undo system (making a reverse function of the action) impossible
But can't come up with any
bitter coral
That's not a bad strat. I thought you are literally saving every image as every ...
No as that would defeat the entire point of why I did it like that, I didn’t want to store the original colors that an action colored over.
bitter coral
I was thinking if there is a function that can only be applied one way which mak...
Hashes
maiden geyser
I was thinking if there is a function that can only be applied one way which mak...
SHA256
opaque wharf
No as that would defeat the entire point of why I did it like that, I didn’t wan...
Yeah, which is why I reacted with despair lol
opaque wharf
Hashes
But why? Why would you perform hashing function to pixel and write the result as pixel?
maiden geyser
or literally anything that has multiple input values give single output value
opaque wharf
Oh, I can come up with another cursed way to do it
Treat every action as adding another layer
Immutable image editor lol
Oh wait, that is just the same as storing every image after every action that I think he is doing before
bitter coral
Oh wait, that is just the same as storing every image after every action that I ...
Yeah I can’t think of a different solution that doesn’t lead to that.
My drawing functions are all over the place at the moment which is a bit annoying.
Cause I have them in my brush script because of the different painting modes. but now I’m calling them in my drawing script to reconstruct the image. As well as in my canvas script to draw them in the first place.
opaque wharf
tl;dr, if you have the following package from AUR, remove it
- librewolf-fix-bin
- firefox-patch-bin
- zen-browser-patched-bin
maiden geyser
why would anyone have them
opaque wharf
Don't know. But someone that is not proficient in Arch may think the patch and fix do something
faint sandal
can anyone still download these packages anywhere
safe path
true pain is installing pytorch on a metered connection
stark needle
true pain is installing pytorch on a metered connection
especially when installing with cuda
safe path
oof
noble zodiac
because panda hates all of us
safe path
is it a good idea to download an entire model on metered
noble zodiac
depends on how much you value your own lifetime
opaque wharf
If the price is cheap, sure why not
We have midnight data plan here usually that kicks into play around midnight until 7 in the morning
safe path
cheap is subjective
opaque wharf
Yeah, but Around 1.5 USD for 100 GB is quite cheap I think
dawn garnet
Finally got back into corporate software development, left my last company after 1.5yrs cause of dodgy practises and went full freelance but the infrequent income worried me. After applying for the past two months I have finally received a job offer way better then my old position at a healthier company!
opaque wharf
Reminds me of my college day when I encounter dodgy practice lol
dawn garnet
Yeah the past company started off great but my starry eyed first impressions died down pretty quick when they had pay delays, stopped paying super annuation, and I started hearing the boss having screaming competitions with other workers from his office, etc XD
distant blaze
Artix linux with S6 is kind of crazy
like what do you mean you don't have a pipewire-s6 package
what do you mean I need to write my own Service for a major system utility 😭
oh well
I guess I am gonna write the s6 service for pipewire lmfao
might as well put it onto my github why not
pale dagger
Thank you
inner pike
Ty Nam
hollow musk
hi
cobalt sigil
wild @faint sandal spotted
faint sandal
opaque wharf
wild <@168693960628371456> spotted <:neuroNOWAYING:1148961698099777638>
Man, this is why captcha is borderline harmful for human
sage crag
Man, this is why captcha is borderline harmful for human
captcha was always about farming training data.
farming your credit card is the obvious next step.
why did it take so long for anubis to get invented 
opaque wharf
Because it wasn't THIS bad before
Crawlers didn't used to take up 80% of popular site traffic
sage crag
now everyone wants to steal your words to feed it to their word making machine
rip hobbyist search engine creators
opaque wharf
SearxNG?
tender river
captcha was always about farming training data.
farming your credit card is the...
not always, but ever since recaptcha
theres a lot of local forum captcha software
that doesnt mine anything because even if it did the scale wouldnt really be enough
faint sandal
I like the one 4get uses
sage crag
<:deliv:1346261888689766543>
tender river
tender river
why did it take so long for anubis to get invented <:neuroCatUuh:113162909247576...
captcha is about stopping bots from posting, bot traffic wasnt bad enough to also stop bots from browsing
noble zodiac
and many of the traditional crawler actually respected robots.txt, ratelimiting and so on
but ai tech bros dont give a shit
and just hammer your servers
hard raptor
Pov, someone falsely corrects your claim of using typescript for that you are actually using javascript, just because you start the program by calling the transpiled js file with node command
stark needle
but ai tech bros dont give a shit
fr
opaque wharf
Pov, someone falsely corrects your claim of using typescript for that you are ac...
Use deno and prove him wrong
hard raptor
Use deno and prove him wrong
It relies on stuff deno still can't properly do
opaque wharf
Bun then
hard raptor
Hmmm maybe
rigid snow
Pov, someone falsely corrects your claim of using typescript for that you are ac...
that someone is correct but in a different way
opaque sigil
If you have a new version you can just run the TS via node too
rigid snow
that someone is correct but in a different way
you are using js because ts is js not because you’re transpiling
opaque wharf
If you have a new version you can just run the TS via node too
Really? Latest node support running ts directly?
hard raptor
If you have a new version you can just run the TS via node too
Yes and no, it's not completely stable yet
At least in my use cases
opaque wharf
Yes and no, it's not completely stable yet
Oh, so I guess still under a flag?
opaque sigil
Really? Latest node support running ts directly?
rigid snow
isn’t it the type proposal support
opaque sigil
I guess the transform is still kinda iffy with some things
But stripping should just work
opaque wharf
you are using js because ts is js not because you’re transpiling
The other way around no?
TS is superset