programming

[amber fractal]

Real strat, I would have opened up kitty or something else with the Shift+Ctrl+U bind for unicode explorer and copied that over to my clipboard.

[desert plaza]

idk either

[olive sable]

‱

ye i cant finf it immediatly in win+v

but i found this weird percentage with too many 0

[amber fractal]

0/000, dividebyzeroerror

[olive sable]

catastrohic failure

[sage crag]

same

[desert plaza]

basis point

thanks wikipedia

[olive sable]

honeslt wehn you devide by 0 you should just start continuing with ±inf

[amber fractal]

inf check my beloved, multiplies the signs (I'm looking at you -0)

[lavish minnow]

https://www.pexels.com/photo/brown-wood-surface-172289/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrQKA43aZrQ&t=231s https://free3d.com/3d-model/csgo-desert-eagle--93708.html I tried using this wood texture but instead it deleted the gun ?

[olive sable]

uh what?

[sage crag]

jerm

[olive sable]

jer?

[opaque wharf]

Oh man, it is funny that now companies are looking to ban AI art/content on their platform

[olive sable]

aight imma sleep

goodnight #programming

[tight tinsel]

i got a interview in 10 mins

slightly nervous

[tender river]

good luck you got this

at least you got to the interview stage i never got that far

[tight tinsel]

not really a job interview more of a course interview

[tender river]

ah

[tight tinsel]

got some notes on the second screen

[olive sable]

firm handshake, be confident, and when they ask you to tell about yourslef dont explain why you're fit for the job, they actually want to hear a short description of you like yuor hobbies and siblings and stuff

[tight tinsel]

e interview

[olive sable]

thats what i learned in school a month ago at least, i have no clue if its acurate

[tight tinsel]

but i got a physical one tomorrow

as well as an aptitude test

at least its through zoom and not teams

[amber fractal]

I do have a job interview coming up, pushed back to Friday so that's fun.

[unkempt citrus]

Ive done a few interviews now

and like 200+ applications now

1 offer and its IT, which is cool, but I'm already IT and I wanted to swap to eng or data

[tight tinsel]

they want me to be 10 mins early but the meeting room isnt opened yet

[olive sable]

Just join asap i guess

[tight tinsel]

finished

[safe path]

how did it go

did you get a jerb

[tight tinsel]

interview for a course, did ok

[opaque sigil]

[stark needle]

j*b

based programmer wins against openai

in optimization coding tournament

Without ai tools

[lapis wraith]

[dry charm]

and not even with a slight margin, that is subtential

[stark needle]

Ai is NOT a match to polish programmers

[opaque wharf]

*Caffeinated Polish Programmer

[cosmic sphinx]

gpt-5?

whatever they release, im waiting for google to retaliate with Gemini 3

[stark needle]

Gemini 5

Gemini 2.51

Gemma 3 thinking when 😭

[faint sandal]

[glass flower]

its probably the open-weight model they were planning to release but was pushed back

[stark needle]

https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/microsofts-200-laid-off-king-devs-are-reportedly-being-replaced-by-ai-they-helped-build-while-its-absolute-s-show-hr-department-looks-away-and-whistles/

[opaque wharf]

I like doing that

[dry charm]

AI generated candy crush levels

lets go

[unkempt glacier]

gius should i switch from nginx to OpenLiteSpeed?

[opaque wharf]

Depends on your use cases. Do you have any specific need for the webserver to do?

If your issue is just configuration, then I can only say go for it

[unkempt glacier]

for small sites, like some privatebin selfhost for example

or just personal site

[opaque wharf]

I think if the current setup works then why change?

[unkempt glacier]

i found openlitespeed kinda easier to use

because it has web dashboard

at the moment i use openlitespeed for phpmyadmin

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, as I said then, if your issue is config and monitoring then go for it

For small site it doesn't matter much which one you choose

[unkempt glacier]

i care abt more ram/cpu usage

so i could save stuff for other projects aswell

[opaque wharf]

Honestly I think it won't matter that much. You application or database will most likely have bigger memory footprint than the webserver.

[unkempt glacier]

abt that should i allocate more?/

[opaque wharf]

Is that for one service or the whole thing? If it is for one service only, that is more than enough for small/personal site. If it is for the whole suite of application that you're going to install, then I suggest adding a bit more depending on how many services you'd like to run

[unkempt glacier]

i'm gonna use that for everything

that db

it runs mariadb

[opaque wharf]

Oh, that's enough then. Its still count as one service technically (one database server). Maybe add one more CPU if you're experiencing lag spike

[unkempt glacier]

with that theres might be issue because idk if my cpu can handle it (its hp elitedesk used as homelab)

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I'm just suggesting it if you're experiencing lag-spike. Highly unlikely if you're the sole user and all the service installed is behaving properly

[unkempt glacier]

so far my setup looks like that:
vm1 = php sites (only, runs nginx)
vm2 = mariadb and mongodb (i didnt get it yet)
vm3 = docker and nodejs discord bots/small projects

[opaque wharf]

IMHO, if you're that worried about resources then VM is not the way

But if you're learning how to setup VM then that's fine

[unkempt glacier]

no i'm not all at all tho but i don't want issues

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, it will depend on how many people is accessing the service honestly

[unkempt glacier]

half of it is bots 😭

[opaque wharf]

17K in 30 days that hits your server should still be within the capabilities of your allocated resources

[unkempt glacier]

so should i keep it?

it still to be honest better than my laptop when i hosted stuff on it

because my laptop has 2 cores and 1,smth i dont remember ghz

and that hp where i switched has 3ghz

[opaque wharf]

Think of it this way. 17K request within 30 days is just shy of 600 request in a day. That means around 25 request/hour. So your if you wanted to check if it is enough or no, you can just test it by accessing the site yourself. If you feel any lag or it is not to your expectation, you can check where the bottleneck is

[unkempt glacier]

no lag

2secs to load

(its light php page tho)

sometimes lower

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, again, if you're satisfied with it then it is good enough. You can test it using some benchmarking tools

Keep in mind that I assume the load is spread equally across time for that 17K

That's where the 25 req/hour comes in

[glass flower]

install anubis and make those bots pay (in compute)

[unkempt glacier]

whats that

[glass flower]

a proof of work captcha

[opaque wharf]

Aren't CF providing pay to crawl now?

[glass flower]

makes the client run expensive javascript to proof they are legit basically. but it mostly just slows down bots a ton so they'll probably just stop

[glass flower]

i think its in beta still and you need to sign up for it

[unkempt glacier]

i use cloudflare tho doesnt it have that already?

[glass flower]

[unkempt glacier]

i use cloudflared for sites bcs my isp doenst like portforwarding on 443

[glass flower]

cloudflare doesn't do anything like that yet.

[opaque sigil]

cf has their maze at least, even better
Make them think they're visiting an actual website

[glass flower]

https://anubis.techaro.lol/

[unkempt glacier]

can i use anubis and cloudflare?

[glass flower]

[unkempt glacier]

alright i will try it out thanks

[glass flower]

anubis will tho also screw up your indexing so it might not show up on google or something

since... they also are affected by it. not sure if you can configure it to not do it

[unkempt glacier]

is there way to fix it tho? i want allow only google duckduckgo and bing aswell discord for embed

[opaque wharf]

Good ol honeypot

'ol reliable

[glass flower]

idk. never used it.
"Anubis is a bit of a nuclear response. This will result in your website being blocked from smaller scrapers and may inhibit "good bots" like the Internet Archive. You can configure bot policy definitions to explicitly allowlist them and we are working on a curated set of "known good" bots to allow for a compromise between discoverability and uptime."
it seems like its possible to configure tho

[opaque wharf]

I think anubis does have some sort of allowlist

[unkempt glacier]

impacts perfomance of server too? tho?

just asking

[glass flower]

nope

since its the client doing the calculations

[unkempt glacier]

then wdym until i look at my hosting bill

[glass flower]

because its gonna be making your hosting bill cheaper

[unkempt glacier]

i homelab

will it lower my power bill?

[glass flower]

well.. maybe

it basically reduces traffic so it will also reduce your demand on the hardware

[unkempt glacier]

can i run anubis on other container or vm so if my first vm is down its gonna stil work?

[glass flower]

read the docs like i said i haven't deployed it myself so i have no clue about the details...

but probably

it just sends the client a payload to compute and then you get a pass or fail back

so.. no reason it shouldn't be possible to run seperately

[warped narwhal]

that's an unfortunate typo

[opaque sigil]

Based tbh

[opaque wharf]

The theory is you're billed by request to your server. If your server experiencing a load of bot, then installing anubis will cut them down, hence lowering the bill

Since hosting (storage and idle time) bill is usually so cheap that they just bill by request

[unkempt glacier]

i'm gonna get anubis then

[unkempt glacier]

idk if my isp is charging me for hosting bill lol because my server is in my house

[opaque wharf]

I think it's not a typo. Breaking changes because then the bot will have to adapt? But if it is about config, yeah unfortunate

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, no they don't charge you. In fact if anything, ISP charges for bandwidth

[unkempt glacier]

anubis will lower my bandwidth?

idk if thats bad ngl

533.66 MB is what is taking of my internet?

or what

[opaque wharf]

Yes, around 500Mb goes through the origin (your server). But for residential ISP they don't charge by bandwidth since the usage is usually within reasonable limit. You watching a lot of video is more straining than those 30 days of server running

[unkempt glacier]

i watch alot of movies

so prob disney took more than my server

and netflix

[opaque wharf]

Indeed

[glass flower]

i do think its still gonna help with performance

[unkempt glacier]

should i get docker or native anubis

[glass flower]

i do think the docker version is the indented way of using it

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, because then the request will not go through the relatively expensive computing service, but will go through some other check first

[glass flower]

https://anubis.techaro.lol/docs/admin/installation/ everything should be explained in the docs

[unkempt glacier]

i think i need set alot of docker compose container

per site

what i do

[glass flower]

anubis should be in the front of any routing

[unkempt glacier]

because "COOKIE_DOMAIN=site1.com" i have like 4 site

so i do need per site set it or idk

[glass flower]

idk

do you have multiple domains?

[unkempt glacier]

yea

like 4, rests are subdomains

[glass flower]

i mean.. im sure its possible

but even if not.. running like 4 anubis docker instances is probably not that difficult to setup

[unkempt glacier]

docker compose will make that easier

[opaque sigil]

One instance of Anubis must be used per service you are protecting

From the Anubis docs

[unkempt glacier]

subdomains counts aswell?

[glass flower]

no

[unkempt glacier]

thanks god

[opaque sigil]

Though

[glass flower]

@rare bridge

[opaque sigil]

There's nothing stopping you from having Anubis in front of another reverse proxy I guess

[opaque wharf]

This is mostly architectural decision

[opaque sigil]

https://anubis.techaro.lol/docs/admin/configuration/subrequest-auth/ I think you want this, so it sits between nginx and the actual apps

[opaque wharf]

But I think placing anubis BEFORE the proxy is a good choice for this use case (low workload server)

[opaque sigil]

Yeah that works too

[unkempt glacier]

how do i do that

[opaque wharf]

Uhhh, by pointing the entry point to your server from cloudflare to anubis. Then the anubis will pass the request further to the reverse proxy (OpenLiteSpeed)

[unkempt glacier]

alright i set that like that
version: "3.8"

services:
anubis:
image: ghcr.io/techarohq/anubis:latest
container_name: anubis1
ports:
- "8923:8923"
environment:
TARGET: "http://(localiptoanothervm):443"
BIND: ":8923"
BIND_NETWORK: "tcp"
COOKIE_DOMAIN: "site.tld"
COOKIE_SECURE: "true"
DIFFICULTY: "4"
SERVE_ROBOTS_TXT: "true"
REDIRECT_DOMAINS: "site.tld"
but i wonder if isp wont see traffic to the local ip with stuff

[rough bloom]

anything behind a reverse proxy (or Anubis, same thing) should have an internal IP address in your internal network
your ISP will never see any internal traffic in your network, it never goes through any of their infrastructure
in theory they could send traffic with a local IP in your network as the destination, but in practice they never will and any properly configured firewall/router should block that

[unkempt glacier]

should i get ssl self signed for the other vm

so if anubis is proxing the :443 on another vm nobody could sniff what it does in requests

[rough bloom]

you could, but there's no point really

just make sure your internal network is secure

the usual configuration is to let your reverse proxy do TLS termination for your internal services which use HTTP

[dusty niche]

chat

[unkempt glacier]

why

what if someone uploads smth harmful on my site and its gonna be seen in requests

[opaque wharf]

Until zero trust comes into play

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-what-insomnia-no-sleep-gif-13337078

[unkempt glacier]

idk i just made ssl to my server to calm down my paranoia abt that

[noble zodiac]

paranoia about what

[opaque wharf]

For some effective security, you need to know your threat model. What are you actually afraid of happening?

[unkempt glacier]

the most abt people hacking or uploading not legal stuff

[noble zodiac]

Why would you have a open upload on the internet for no reason?

[unkempt glacier]

i don't open upload

but knowing people and bots people just can spam post requests with these

[opaque wharf]

Hacking comes in a lot of variety. There is something called man-in-the-middle (basically like wiretap), there is phising, there is SQL Injection, XSS, and a lot more. Most of it is usually not of the concern for the end user but rather a developer if you're developing a program

For the most basic things that can be considered "secure", using TLS and having a good authentication scheme is usually enough

[rigid snow]

sql injection and xss should not be a thing at all in 2025 tbh

[rough bloom]

if the requests are internal to your network they will never be seen by anyone except you already

if someone else has access to your network you generally have bigger problems than whether you users requests are encrypted or not

[unkempt glacier]

but does there reqs save somewhere?

[rigid snow]

if you log them

[unkempt glacier]

like if someone sends smth harmful like 5 hours ago for example it can be visible still? to wireshark and etc

[unkempt glacier]

i do not

[rough bloom]

no, the reverse proxy may save request metadata, but only if you tell it to (and HTTPS won't help there)

[unkempt glacier]

so i dont have to worry that if someone sends to my server requests with idk gore or smth it wont save on my server? if i dont log that

[noble zodiac]

thats not how that works

[rigid snow]

wireshark is phone tapping basically, if no one is touching the wire nothing gets intercepted

[unkempt glacier]

idk abt cybersecurity stuff too much 😭

like type of that

[rough bloom]

you only have to worry if you serve illegal/abusive content to users
even storing it shouldn't be an issue (unless it's personal information or something, then mabe)

[unkempt glacier]

i do not serve these stuff if someone uploads even stuff like that to my instances i will just remove it after i notice it

[rough bloom]

should be fine then

[unkempt glacier]

so i shouldnt worry abt that?

[rough bloom]

no

[opaque wharf]

...should

Tbf, I agree for SQL. Mostly talking about XSS stuff

[unkempt glacier]

should i use tls for mariadb tho?

[rigid snow]

you only have to worry if you serve content that is illegal or content that violates policies of whatever service providers you may use, like cloudflare or the hosting provider or the domain registrar. if content uploaded by users gets served immediately (especially if it's discoverable by anyone) you should be careful

[rough bloom]

actually, one exception
maybe don't reverse proxy those requests unencrypted over the Internet
but that's fixable by using a VPN like Tailscale, still no HTTPS required

[unkempt glacier]

if it gets uploadd i remove that type of stuff fast

tho it never did get uploaded yet

[rigid snow]

you’re generally good then

[unkempt glacier]

should anubis protect me from it too?

because i know there are bots posting these stuff on vichan instances

[rigid snow]

if your concern is bots then it should

[unkempt glacier]

my concern is abt that spam only https://github.com/vichan-devel/vichan/pull/780

(i mean problem not the unshorten url thingy just saying)

[noble zodiac]

but you are not hosting an image hoster?

[unkempt glacier]

not at all but i planned to

to make small imageboard

[noble zodiac]

well, have fun with that nightmare

[unkempt glacier]

but i asked if anubis would help reduce me that

problem

[rigid snow]

also there’s this https://developers.cloudflare.com/cache/reference/csam-scanning/

[noble zodiac]

reduce maybe, prevent no

[unkempt glacier]

does it block upload

or viewing

[opaque wharf]

Does the image board require account to post image?

Because if so, you can just disable registration

[rigid snow]

no, it just notifies you when it finds known bad content

[opaque wharf]

And only register via invite link

[unkempt glacier]

in my own coded software yes

[opaque sigil]

Oh boy, have fun

[unkempt glacier]

every service what i do needs account

except privatebin

[rigid snow]

it does actually

if your website is proxied through cloudflare, and it caches an image that later happens to match a database of such material they stop serving that image and send you an email, but you have to remove it in reasonable time or you get banned

[unkempt glacier]

if remove that do i need do smth other or no

[rigid snow]

read the page atp

everything i said is from there

[unkempt glacier]

does it stop the requests or block them tho

[rigid snow]

no it retroactively scans already cached content

[midnight sigil]

I wonder if there will be chaos if I bring up the question "Which Linux distro is the best"

[rigid snow]

microsoft windows

[unkempt glacier]

Debian

[rigid snow]

i’m afraid this but unironically

[unkempt glacier]

wdym

everything on my server runs on debian

[rigid snow]

like it’s objectively true that debian is the best distro and i’m afraid it is

[midnight sigil]

forget linux, run templeos on everything

[unkempt glacier]

i don't trust that fish

[rigid snow]

it’s too big

[dry charm]

the hell is this

[unkempt glacier]

roblox

[rough bloom]

I will not elaborate (this time )

[dry charm]

I know it is roblox duh, I meant the context of this site

[unkempt glacier]

roblox

[dry charm]

...

[unkempt glacier]

roblox

[rigid snow]

you’re wrong because the best linux distros in order are: microsoft windows, mac os 7, android

[opaque sigil]

[unkempt glacier]

best distro is Ubuntu

[rough bloom]

that last one might actually be real

[rigid snow]

it is technically one

[opaque sigil]

Hannah Montana linux ftw

[dry charm]

Arch with Snapd

[unkempt glacier]

TempleOS better

[rough bloom]

yeah, and it's the only one with users

[midnight sigil]

we need to code our own internet driver in holyc and asm

[dry charm]

Android is becoming more locked down, so it is getting it's linux rights removed

[unkempt glacier]

i'm gonna make better nvidia drivers from scratch in holyc

[midnight sigil]

lord be with me

[unkempt glacier]

ok

[rigid snow]

are you lord

[opaque sigil]

Android has become to Linux what macOS is to FreeBSD

[tender river]

morning woke up from the loudest thunder i've heard in years

[dry charm]

The worst part is, if you root and install Linage, you are locked out from a lot of apps

for no fucking reason

fucking McDonalds app has root detection

[dry charm]

I love sleeping in Thunder

[tender river]

it was reverberating for like 20-30 seconds

[midnight sigil]

wait until 📸 📸📸 🎆 🔊 🗣️ 🎆

[opaque wharf]

You sure that isn't some heavy machinery going down?

Or some Super Weapons being fired I guess

[tender river]

nope its thunder

i live just a tiny bit too far from the frontlines to hear any weapons

[midnight sigil]

nuked

[opaque wharf]

I sure hope not

[sage crag]

abwabwabwa

[opaque wharf]

Awawa?

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

[midnight sigil]

is this an ARG

[sage crag]

[tender river]

playing /dev/urandom in ffplay: is this a neuro arg reference

[midnight sigil]

urandom has pattern

I choose /dev/random

[tender river]

they're literally the same thing

[midnight sigil]

no

[sage crag]

only if you stream too much

urandom gives as much data as requested and random only gives as much as is currently available, so may error if there isnt enough in the entropy pool

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

mhm so reading from /dev/random can block until there are enough random bits of entropy

urandom is identical to random provided that there are enough random bits of entropy

the difference is in the behaviour if there arent enough random bits

wait this may not be true in modern kernels though

[opaque wharf]

It is not true

[sage crag]

yeah looks like in modern kernel, they are functionally identical

[unkempt glacier]

guys i wanna selfhost my own git should i use gitlab,gitea,forgejo to work well out of box

[sage crag]

with urandom being preferred

[tender river]

not anymore i think

[opaque wharf]

After the seed is initialized yes

[sage crag]

between gitea and forgejo i would always choose forgejo

[rough bloom]

gitlab is kinda big but works great
otherwise forgejo

[sage crag]

gitlab has different features though

[tender river]

hm maybe not https://lwn.net/Articles/889452/

[opaque wharf]

/dev/random only blocks when it hasn't been initialized

[unkempt glacier]

like??

i never used gitlab sorry

[tender river]

That change made it as far as the mainline during the Linux 5.18 merge window, but it was quickly reverted when problems were found

[sage crag]

typically forgejo is much more lightweight than gitlab. gitlab has "more" features, but they may not be needed if you only care about the git part

[opaque wharf]

Oh, its Urandom not Random that blocks

[unkempt glacier]

what are diffrences between forgejo and gitea

[sage crag]

forgejo is a fork of gitea

[tender river]

no you were correct /dev/random blocks

[unkempt glacier]

i know

but why more people choose forgejo

[sage crag]

in the open source space, probably because forgejo has a more open license than gitea

[opaque wharf]

Oh it is. Dang, multi-tasking is hard

[sage crag]

https://forgejo.org/compare-to-gitea/

[tender river]

https://gitea-open-letter.coding.social/

[tender river]

after this forgejo was created

its also maintained by more trustworthy people (codeberg)

[midnight sigil]

one is still more random than random

urandom takes in random as seeds

why is #programming talking about fucking version control platforms 😭

[tender river]

????

[midnight sigil]

is this on bingo

[sage crag]

the quality of the random value is the same

[tender river]

also any open source project that has this doesnt deserve to exist

[midnight sigil]

meh they can be cracked by quantum computers under 10 minutes anyways

[sage crag]

where is the irc

[midnight sigil]

doesn't matter

[sage crag]

do you have a quantum computer

[midnight sigil]

perhaps

maybe I'm secretly running IBM

[opaque wharf]

All computer is quantum computer

[midnight sigil]

[opaque wharf]

Its just manipulating/using the quantum state differently

[sage crag]

yay 156 qbits

[midnight sigil]

we'll be having neuro on -10ms reaction speed

faster than 0 latency

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[midnight sigil]

I got automodded

gm

[tender river]

to me this looks equivalent to "you can contact us on facebook!" wow cool i won't do it though

and i know this is ironic to say on discord but it makes sense to use discord for non-technical communities like this one

[unkempt glacier]

guys i think i fucked up anubis configuration

it keeps refreshing page or redirecting me into same page in loop

[tender river]

fix it

[unkempt glacier]

did i set smth wrong

[tender river]

let me check what nix did to my config

[unkempt glacier]

nvm it was only cache of my browser

using librewolf is pain

[tender river]

cache exists in all browsers, but isn't it supposed to use etags

[midnight sigil]

anubis mentioned?

[unkempt glacier]

yea but librewolf breakes half of sites

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/csgo-cs2-freeze-lag-anubis-gif-10545933478990266472

[tender river]

like which half

okay to be fair i have privacy.resistFingerprinting off

[unkempt glacier]

mf work

[opaque sigil]

same, remember it breaking a bunch of sites when i had it on

[unkempt glacier]

i also do

somehow that thingy does that

[tender river]

this is a separate setting

[opaque wharf]

Isn't resisting fingerprinting only makes it easier to track/differentiate?

[tender river]

the point is to throw all resistFingerprinting users in the same cohort

removing hardware details and leaving something generic

[opaque wharf]

Yes, that is the idea. But it depends on how many are actually using it too no? Because the requester IP will still be visible anyway

[tender river]

of course ip is a separate tracking vector yes

[opaque wharf]

Like how tor is only anonymous because if only the government is using it, then when a traffic is detected as tor traffic, it is known that a government is using it

[unkempt glacier]

how do i make that Accessible 😭

[opaque wharf]

I honestly have no idea what dashboard is that

[tender river]

bwaa

[unkempt glacier]

OpenLiteSpeed

[opaque wharf]

And what are you trying to achieve?

[unkempt glacier]

host forgejo

ports even wont work

[opaque wharf]

Alright. Is the forgejo confirmed working?

[unkempt glacier]

yea

localhost:3000 works

no matter what port its always disabled for some reason

[opaque wharf]

Have you configured forgejo to accept request from the reverse proxy (in this case openlitespeed)?

[unkempt glacier]

i dont think so

how do i do that

it blocks all ports btw

by default its always green (other vm)

[opaque wharf]

I'm on mobile, so can't help much beyond asking some question. But for forgejo to works behind a reverse proxy, iirc it needs to be configured to accept the connection from the proxy. And then configuring the proxy to accept the connection from anubis and passing it along to forgejo

[unkempt glacier]

its openlitespeed fault probally

btw

[unkempt glacier]

.

[rough bloom]

in theory it only needs to listen on the correct IP address, but you can easily test that by just using curl from wherever the reverse proxy is hosted

any configuration of the public IP/hostname is usually only for links and webhooks and stuff

requests should still go through without that, even if redirects might be messed up

[opaque wharf]

Oh, good to know that the setup is a bit less painful than gitlab or other forge server that I forgot the name before

So maybe the VM firewall?

[rough bloom]

the only forge that has been a nightmare to try to set up so far has been sourcehut
I failed

[tender river]

should be painless on nixos

[tender river]

also do you know about https://gitlab.com/simple-nixos-mailserver/nixos-mailserver/

[unkempt glacier]

the listener isnt just running for some reason

[rough bloom]

have heard about it
I'm not planning on hosting my own mailserver though

[tender river]

[unkempt glacier]

tho

very stable

[rough bloom]

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/d7831dd279b4321345598075f6b095d30ee34887/nixos/modules/rename.nix#L240

[tender river]

[rough bloom]

the last time I tried was already on NixOS
the package still existed but was already not in a great state
there were issues™

[opaque wharf]

Why are you using 9999 if the forgejo is listening on 3000?

[tender river]

[opaque wharf]

Should I sleep or embrace more caffeine in my system?

[tender river]

embrace caffeine and sleep

[olive sable]

Ebough bedrotting for me, i need to get back to work

[tender river]

mrp

[opaque wharf]

Sleep more. You never know when you will not have that privilege anymore

[olive sable]

I 1lready slept 10 hours

I hate how i charge my slartwatch to track my sleep, i go to bed, and when i wake up it has 2%

Like bro wtf

And it didnt even track my sleep cuz i forgot to unlock it

[opaque sigil]

i don't think that's supposed to happen

[olive sable]

Well it did

[amber fractal]

Man smart watches suck

I only hear them being good as phone extensions and otherwise dodgy at best.

[opaque sigil]

i like using mine as an alarm and timer

much nicer than the phone

[olive sable]

I get iy only has 247mah, but man the display is only on for a couple minutes per day

[opaque sigil]

being able to have my phone on silent is kinda nice too i guess

[opaque wharf]

Use a proper smart watch if you want. Like Apple or something that runs full Android

What is the android name again? Watch OS?

[opaque sigil]

wear os

watchOS is the apple one

[opaque wharf]

Man, tech companies and their naming sense

[opaque sigil]

smart watches are convenient but i'd never buy one for the full price they ask tbh

[olive sable]

I have a galaxy watch 4. I would consider that a "proper" smart watch?

[opaque sigil]

i have the same one, tf are you doing with yours that it's not even lasting a night

granted i have the classic but still

[olive sable]

Idk

[opaque wharf]

I have the same model

[opaque sigil]

the galaxy watch 4 is kinda weird since it's like half wear os half tizen iirc

[opaque wharf]

How long have you had it?

[olive sable]

2 years

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but better than some chinese cheap "smart" watch one I think

[olive sable]

Sure only 1%

[opaque wharf]

Huh, the battery is usually still good for that time. But maybe your battery is more degraded somehow

[opaque sigil]

it does watch things

[opaque wharf]

But not so smart now are they

[olive sable]

I havent updated it in a long time tho

Lemme see

Oh i need to update the app first, goddamnit

[opaque sigil]

i'm still annoyed about that one time they pushed out a major update and it changed to require an extra tap to turn on sleep mode since there are more modes now

never have i ever used any of the other available modes

wtf am i going to do with a "theatre mode"

[olive sable]

I have never used sleep mode lol

[olive sable]

I used it twice

I had to go to theatre for dchool

And i went to watch a movie

[opaque sigil]

i just turn on sleep mode when i'm in a theatre

[opaque wharf]

When you touch grass

[opaque sigil]

all it does is turn on dnd anyway

[olive sable]

I think it also blocks alarms?

[opaque wharf]

So you become a dungeon master or the player?

[opaque sigil]

yes

[olive sable]

I turned off power saving and now its updating

Lmao

[opaque wharf]

Nice answer

[olive sable]

Guess il see if its better

[opaque wharf]

Why
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throbber

[olive sable]

i have fries yay

[charred bronze]

hey, can anyone give me a direction here? would focusing on javascript be a bad idea if i were to lean towards AI related specializations?

[glass flower]

python would probably be the better bet in that regard

[olive sable]

ai means torch or cuda

so ye python

cuda is c++ iirc?

[opaque wharf]

Unless you're talking about the interface part

[nocturne olive]

Nope, absolutely not
Javascript is for web, if you want to do AI related things learn Python and C++

[charred bronze]

well i haven't looked into it much since i'm focusing on uni topics atm, but i was interested in AI and my sister told me i should learn how it works so i don't fall into the trap of learning how to train it. She said i could learn either python or javascript, with python being safer but javascript being doable as well.

personally i prefer programming anything in javascript, but idm python

figured i'd ask an AI related discord about it

[nocturne olive]

Javascript kinda sucks

[tender river]

go learn python

and typescript

[glass flower]

if something.. typescript would be better than javascript

[opaque wharf]

The trap of learning how to train it?

So, do you want to do the AI stuff that is the backend things or the front end things?

[glass flower]

basically:

• running ai = python
• training ai = python
• making new ai = c++ (or any other low level language like rust etc.)

[tender river]

no, making new ai = python too

[charred bronze]

has been a while since we had that convo, but from what i remember is just so i don't become the guy training the agent, but the guy making the ai

[glass flower]

you don't write new ai in python

[tender river]

you do

you use libraries like torch that expose a python dsl that compiles to gpu code which runs way faster than something written in rust would run on cpu

[charred bronze]

i'm more inclined to backend

[glass flower]

why would rust mean it runs on the cpu

[charred bronze]

but i'm also still an uni student so i really don't know much about what that would be

[tender river]

it does not, my point is python being slow doesn't matter for AI

[glass flower]

well technically if you really want to go indepth. you would need to write cuda compatible code. and that is likely just easier in languages like c++ or rust or something. you won't write a attention head in python. that just sounds.. weird

interacting with ai and putting them together into something useable is done through python im sure. but you won't have the most access you will need to actually be able to write proper new ai's

[opaque wharf]

Uuh, please clarify when you say making the AI. As in, designing the model internal layer architecture?

[tender river]

i assure you pytorch is all you need

[glass flower]

the field is also ever changing. whatever we say now might be obsolete in 2 years

[opaque sigil]

this only applies for truly novel architectures and/or optimisers, for the "common" ones there are already efficient implementations readily available to call from python or any other language really

[glass flower]

i doubt something like deepseek or something is made in python im sure its a big part of the pipeline. i don't doubt that. but lower level languages are still insanely important. (assuming we are talking about NEW AI. not variation of existing ones)

[opaque sigil]

usually you prototype in python and then the final deployment gets rewritten in c++ or sth to then run

[tender river]

its not made in python not because you cant make it in python, but because after the prototype stage you have to optimize

[opaque wharf]

This needs to be clarified because for you to know the performance of the model you just designed, you need to train it and evaluate its performance

[glass flower]

python is a turing complete language... you can make anything in python

[charred bronze]

i don't really understand what that means fully, do u mean the code which encompass the process of understanding of the AI?

[tender river]

let me repeat again, the code that's being ran isn't python but a python DSL that compiles to GPU code

[glass flower]

and... i get that. c++ would still be better tho

[tender river]

not necessarily

[glass flower]

[opaque wharf]

I mean what do you mean when you said making the AI but not the one that trains it? Because as I said, the terms AI is too loaded with ambiguity from the people outside of the academia

[charred bronze]

i thought those were two actions done by different devs, the one designing it and the one training it. i guess it could be done by one

the way i thought it worked is that team A designs it and team B trains it

[opaque sigil]

always those damn mathematicians

[opaque wharf]

Uhh not really, no. For large AI system that needs distributed computing it may be that way

But even then, it should be the infrastructure team that provides the rnd team the necessary compute resource to design and train the "AI"

If you mean don't become the infra team, then yeah, learn python

Evil is live yeay!

[charred bronze]

hm, i'll look into it more and talk to her again so i can ask clearer questions, but for now i'll take the advice on python, ty 🙂

[opaque sigil]

clearly the solution is to write mlir by hand

python never hurts to know if targeting the "AI" sphere

you will have to deal with it one way or another eventually

[charred bronze]

great, at least learning it won't be for nothing i hope

every second i spent learning java i felt like dying inside

[opaque sigil]

as much as i would honestly love to say learning python is a waste, it's not

python is a lot more lax than java, for better or worse

[opaque wharf]

Java? Not JS?

I hope you didn't just mistake the two

[charred bronze]

java, i didn't

[raven dock]

After you learn a few different languages, they're all the same

[tender river]

if you're not actually learning different languages, they are

[opaque sigil]

talking about python makes me wonder if i could possibly persuade my thesis advisor to let me write my bigint library in mojo, that could be fun

though ig it's still a very new language so eh

[opaque wharf]

I'm just using a programming language as a tool like any other tbh

Don't wanna write raw machine code all the time

[opaque sigil]

i love a good abstraction

[stark needle]

i may not have a brain but i have an idea

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

:hmm:

[stark needle]

hii

[olive sable]

hiiii

[tender river]

functions are slowly being conceptualized

i believe

[unkempt glacier]

why forgejo feels so much faster than gitea

[unkempt glacier]

the proxy was lsitening that http port not forgejo

[sage crag]

probably is

[unkempt glacier]

thought my reverse proxy is pain because sometimes it shows 403 for no reason

or bugs the anubis

[opaque sigil]

it's a sign from above to not use mongodb

[unkempt glacier]

i dont use mongodb

[sage crag]

poor anubis girl

[opaque sigil]

[unkempt glacier]

i'm switching mongodb to PostgreSQL in some projects

[opaque sigil]

[unkempt glacier]

is PostgreSQL bad?

or should i just use mariadb for the projects

[opaque sigil]

it doesn't matter, choose whichever one you prefer

[unkempt glacier]

i mainly mained mariadb, but uh idk if its anygood people tell me its outdated

[opaque sigil]

that being said, since you seemed to care about resource utilisation earlier
postgres is considerably heavier than mariadb iirc

[unkempt glacier]

and slower

[opaque sigil]

it's fine

[unkempt glacier]

and i need fast database for one project the fastest possible so uh

mongodb kinda sucks in my experience

[opaque sigil]

it doesn't matter unless you're google or sth

[unkempt glacier]

i'm making spamdb discord bot what checks if user is in database then bans them

[opaque sigil]

i stand by what i said

[unkempt glacier]

but for that i think db needs be faster

[opaque sigil]

besides, if you need the lowest possible latency you want something more akin to valkey anyway

[unkempt glacier]

idk if mariadb is fast for that type of stuff

[opaque sigil]

nah you'll be limited by the discord api

[unkempt glacier]

oh

is it possible to code discord bot in rust btw?

[opaque sigil]

https://github.com/serenity-rs/serenity

not sure why you would want to but there you go

[unkempt glacier]

idk speed

and being light?

nodejs was kinda pain also idk if its any good for that type of stuff

[opaque sigil]

being light is fair ig, as for speed it really doesn't make a difference unless you plan on supporting commands that do a lot of number crunching

[unkempt glacier]

i want it to just use less resources

[opaque sigil]

then have fun

you do give up a lot of convenience, whether that's worth it is up to you

[rigid snow]

it seems there's no certain type of infra/backend nerd here... shame, i wanted to see hammers fly into your general direction because it scales badly or something

[opaque sigil]

if postgres can't handle your needs then you're either incredibly lucky to be in your position or you're an idiot who can't use a database tbh

[tender river]

imo for discord bots development velocity matters the most, when i had one my bot supported hot reloading

(in a very bad way where it just read the command from the disk on every execution but the scale allowed that)

[opaque sigil]

also speaking of postgres, TIL planetscale supports postgres too now interesting

[rigid snow]

what

[tender river]

i prefer postgresql simply because everything supports it

(almost everything)

sqlite for small scale works too, and at large scale sometimes nosql works best

[unkempt glacier]

idk if i should use mariadb or postgresql

ngl

[tender river]

just compromise and use mssql

[opaque sigil]

postgres takes up considerably more resources, since you care so much about that

[tender river]

taking up resources isnt bad if they are used for good reason

[opaque sigil]

if

[tender river]

if

[unkempt glacier]

mssql?

[tender river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_SQL_Server

[unkempt glacier]

how tf i'm supposed to use mssql on debian

[opaque sigil]

they updated the logo huh

[rigid snow]

ok turns out they are making their own vitess but for postgres, crazy - and they don't "support" it, they just run it on their infra without scaling glue yet

also very limited access

[unkempt glacier]

how perfomance is in it

[tender river]

no idea

[opaque sigil]

i uhhh

wouldn't actually recommend mssql

but as a funni meme hell yeah

[unkempt glacier]

i will just use mariadb

[opaque sigil]

if it ain't broke don't fix it

[opaque sigil]

vitess for postgres does sound pretty nice huh

[unkempt glacier]

my bot needs recode tho

codebase sucks asf

[opaque sigil]

vitess was original by google for youtube right

or am i tripping

[rigid snow]

accidentally cmd-q while focused on discord but internet is dogshit and discord downloads the whole app bundle on macos when updating so like 200-300mb, gg

[opaque sigil]

and then taken over by planetscale a couple years ago

[rigid snow]

is it

[opaque sigil]

oh nice i was right

they became the main contributor

[rigid snow]

ye you’re right but i wasn’t sure on this

[rigid snow]

makes sense

[sage crag]

mrrp

[rigid snow]

konii is cat

[unkempt glacier]

ngl should i keep bot coded in nodejs, switch to python or rust

[rigid snow]

are you comfortable with node? then 0 reason to switch

[opaque sigil]

discord.js is by far the most well-maintained option of the 3 so there's that too

[unkempt glacier]

i meant my src is messy

it needs recode

at some point

[rigid snow]

then what you need is a refactor or a rewrite like you suggest, not changing languages

[tender river]

why does it need a rewrite if it works

[unkempt glacier]

"works" it crashes alot sometimes

also its hard to me to update it due to code structure

also dashboard is fucking mess

and i dont feel comfortable using the uhh mongodb because i wanted try it out but uhh i didnt find it good for me

[rigid snow]

true, meant to sat "what you want" not need

[unkempt glacier]

also i hardcoded ADMIN_USER_IDS to code

and every time when iwant add someone or remove i need restart bot

[olive sable]

awa

[rare bramble]

moving my screeps codebase to use more generic types like storable & buildable and having generic fuctions operate on them instead of me re doing it all every time, simplifies the code just a little bit...

[unkempt glacier]

should i use pm2 for my discord bot

or dockernize it

nodejs btw

[amber fractal]

Sam not even needing konii to trigger it, smh

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

i like using pm2 personally but that's just me

if you're already using docker i don't think it matters too much

[unkempt glacier]

is there better way to edit src's inside filezilla sftp

i find it harder to just edit some part of src

[opaque sigil]

Most code editors have a way to let you edit remote files over ssh

[tender river]

just use sshfs

oh right windows

idk wsl or something

surely it supports fuse

[glass flower]

vscode can just connect to a folder on a server and directly edit stuff there

[unkempt glacier]

vscodium doesnt have that?

[glass flower]

probably not. because it also needs to install a service on the server i think

[tender river]

pretty sure the ssh extension is proprietary and wont work with vscodium

[opaque sigil]

There's an open source version of it but idk how well it actually works

I guess there's also nothing stopping you from just adding the official plugin marketplace to vscodium

[tender river]

thats not the issue

even if you add it it wont work

because it relies on proprietary components in vscode itself

well at least thats how i remember it

[opaque sigil]

Idk

I'd test it rn but I cba to setup vscodium

Probably should though

Either way, there is a replacement extension you can just use

[tender river]

Most MS extensions are limited to run on only MS products by their license and by running additional checks in their proprietary code.

https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/docs/extensions-compatibility.md

[opaque sigil]

sad

[tender river]

just microsoft things

stuff like that is why i just switched to vim

[opaque sigil]

why tf is latex workshop on that list

[safe path]

i love emacs tramp mode for this

[opaque sigil]

apparently if you have a US international layout you straight up cannot type "`~ in zed

[safe path]

except i can't reasonably do collaborative editing

[amber fractal]

Imagine inversing or using markdown

[opaque sigil]

it was thankfully fixed in a pr 3 days ago

[cobalt sigil]

with cursed colour

win7

[amber fractal]

New nickname just dropped

[safe path]

why am i bullied here too

[sage crag]

we love you sometimes

[hoary lion]

Sometimes 😭

[olive sable]

poor vanor

[midnight sigil]

https://x.com/alxfazio/status/1877988416131932359

alex fazio (@alxfazio)

if your AI girlfriend is not a LOCALLY running fine-tuned model, she’s a prostitute.

X · Jan 11, 2025, 7:58 AM

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

i would respond but automod would probably put a shotgun to my head

[midnight sigil]

rephrase and send again

[olive sable]

isnt that also against the ruiles?

[sage crag]

hmm i think theres a rule for this

rule 12 is not real

[olive sable]

lets just say i support workers and move on

[sage crag]

it cant hurt you

[amber fractal]

Something about no loopholes

[midnight sigil]

rephrase is rephrase

[olive sable]

surely vanor isnt still watching

[sage crag]

a loop is topologically the same as a straw and therefore it has two holes

[olive sable]

wrong

[amber fractal]

Nah, Vanor is probably getting busy being bullied in NN

[olive sable]

a star and a loop both only have 1 hole

[midnight sigil]

everything is donuts anyways

[olive sable]

whats that called, morphology?

idk

[sage crag]

straws dont have two holes

straws have one hole

[midnight sigil]

topology

[olive sable]

lmao konii is now correcting herself

[midnight sigil]

schizo

[sage crag]

5am

[midnight sigil]

in topology, everything can be mapped/transformed onto/into a donut, thus everything technically have only one hole

problem solved

[amber fractal]

Sam 5am, my brain doesn't see the difference clearly

[sage crag]

what about trousers

they have two holes

[olive sable]

yes

2 holes

[hoary lion]

They are a different shape to donut then

Afaik

[midnight sigil]

it's consisted of multiple donuts

[olive sable]

i watched a vsauce video about this but the video starts with him on the toilet so im not sharing it

[hoary lion]

Wow there is indeed a drawing for this

[olive sable]

the human body is 7 holes

[sage crag]

theres more than just the number of holes that is inspected in topology

[hoary lion]

I disagree

But I don't know the answer either

[olive sable]

you beg to differ? then beg

[amber fractal]

-# There are also warcrimes in topology

[olive sable]

blind holes arent holes so ears and stuff dont count

they can be morphed to flat

[sage crag]

the sinuses are complicated

[olive sable]

airthight = blind hole

[sage crag]

the mouth and nostrils are connected and therefore i posit that there are only two holes on the face

if you think about it nostrils and mouth are like trousers

[olive sable]

mouth is a hole, each nostril is a hole, and you got some tubes to your eyes

[sage crag]

but they are all connected in the sinus cavities

[midnight sigil]

butthole

[amber fractal]

Connected to mouth

[olive sable]

yet can be morphed to seperate holes

you got 1 hole from the top to the bottom of the body
2 nostrile, 2 to the eyes, and 2 more for the tears

[sage crag]

i dont see it. loosely the nose, eye ducts, mouth, and anus are all connected holes due to sinuses

[amber fractal]

-# Hi mods

[olive sable]

you're not thinking as a topologist

[sage crag]

also the eyes can be morphed to flat

[sage crag]

i am. its the same situation as trousers.

[midnight sigil]

and eyes(lacrimal puncta)

[olive sable]

the eyes can, the ducts cant

[sage crag]

duh

but the ducts are connected to the sinuses. you subtract one total hole because of this.

[amber fractal]

What a great break from writing not yuri

[olive sable]

topoligically correct smoker

[midnight sigil]

funny, #programming talking about topology

programmers ain't programmering

[sage crag]

read the about section

[midnight sigil]

very technical conversation I could tell

[amber fractal]

this is very technical and important for human simulation research

[olive sable]

googling "topology human" i should have expected the results

[midnight sigil]

what did you get

[olive sable]

blender woman

[midnight sigil]

I got human topology in the context of 3D modelling

[olive sable]

well yes me too

blender is 3d modelling

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/blender-banana-smoothie-food-fail-fail-gif-14381891265409864362

3D modelling

[olive sable]

ahhh

[amber fractal]

aaaaaaaaaa

[olive sable]

we love topology

[amber fractal]

me after writing without any mental breaks all day

[olive sable]

a hole connecting to another hole instead of "the outside" is still a hole

so the main sinus cavity thingy will "belong" to one of the holes with the other one ending there

[amber fractal]

(I still have 4 hours left to write )

[olive sable]

the game jam ends in 3 days

i really need to get this finished

[amber fractal]

I blame myself for stalling so hard

[faint sandal]

https://fxtwitter.com/hanagamigendai/status/1945996943735627794 computer work be like

花紙 現代-gendai hanagami (@hanagamigendai)

1st Year vs 7th Year as a Working Adult
︀︀#bocchitherock

**💬 32 🔁 2.5K ❤️ 24.1K 👁️ 355.3K **

FxTwitter · Jul 18, 2025, 12:00 AM

[olive sable]

i have worked 3 days in my life so i wouldnt know

[amber fractal]

I'm hopefully going to be first year soon

[midnight sigil]

what gamejam

[olive sable]

shovel game jam

[midnight sigil]

solo team?

[olive sable]

nope

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

me, iggly, superbox and weegee

6 of the 9 days have passed, and i barely have a functioning demo

[midnight sigil]

[amber fractal]

[midnight sigil]

will yall be joining the gmtk as well?

[olive sable]

3 days of fixing the engine, 3 days of 3d modelling something that was probably too big of scope so i canceled half the map

[midnight sigil]

it's on july the 30th

[amber fractal]

Nah I'm perishing after thiz

[olive sable]

i will go into recluse to do vulkan

i also need to do my car theory exam stuff

[amber fractal]

In actuality, I'd just want to work on the parts I skimped on.

[midnight sigil]

behold my opengl

[amber fractal]

More yuri

[faint sandal]

I'm on my 5th year

[olive sable]

id rather not, opengl is sucky and cant even push sub 0.1ms frametimes

[sage crag]

think about trousers though. it appears to have 3 holes but topologically it has two because the third hole doesnt actually exist

[olive sable]

yes

same thing for sinuses

you have 2 holes end of story

[olive sable]

the fake end is the part that connects to your mouth

[midnight sigil]

that just means you don't have enough cpu clock speed

[sage crag]

nostrils, mouth, lacrimal ducts are all connected hy the sinuses, which is then connected to the anus. then you can model human as a sphere with 6 openings which is identical to a circle with 5 openings

[olive sable]

im pushing 40% gpu usage and 4% cpu usage.
its mainly opengl's overhead using 70% of the frametimes

[amber fractal]

bandwidth limit

[olive sable]

like actually when i open the game on vsync my pc doesnt even notice

[olive sable]

nope, just opengl being bad

[midnight sigil]

do low-level controls over opengl

[olive sable]

thats called vulkan

[sage crag]

sounds like a waste of time

[olive sable]

you're describing vulkan

[sage crag]

vulkan is more portable than gl to begin with

[olive sable]

yep

and it has triple budfering my beloved

[amber fractal]

That's called Zinc (vulkan again)

[midnight sigil]

that's minecraft for you

[olive sable]

port minecraft to vulkan

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

immeditalt quadruple fps

[amber fractal]

As the resident minecraft nerd, no

[sage crag]

16 year old game has tech debt

[sage crag]

theres a mod for this

[olive sable]

why?

[midnight sigil]

forget opengl and vulkan, I choose DX11

[olive sable]

ew

you disgusty me

[amber fractal]

I've tried this mod, conflicts with every performance mod known to man.

[olive sable]

i cans ee why

[sage crag]

only ones that touch rendering

[midnight sigil]

i cans ee why

[olive sable]

the performance mods proabbly dont expect a completely diffrent backend

[amber fractal]

Sodium:

[sage crag]

things like sodium optimise minecrafts render pipeline

a pipeline that doesnt exist when using vk

[olive sable]

it kinda does

in a way

[sage crag]

not the same pipeline

[midnight sigil]

it's not replaced, it's patched over

[amber fractal]

Sidenote, I did not know neoforge pulled it's act together and actually now has the promised fabric support

[olive sable]

vulkan uses the same pipeline setup as opengl, you just have to make each one manually while in opengl you only make the vertex and fragment shader manually

for minecraft tho you'd be better of with a mesh shader so that is the only way you're using a completely diffrent pipeline

[amber fractal]

I was surprised to see a neoforge mod with a fabric mod dependency

[sage crag]

minecraft does most of its rendering in immediate mode

if anyone has made a voxel engine before you know that this is a performance killer

[olive sable]

immediate mode just doesnt use a vbo but its actually bad for performance

[midnight sigil]

hold my VBOs and VAOs

[olive sable]

id rather not

pervert

[sage crag]

not that type of immediate mode

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

awa

[olive sable]

awa

[amber fractal]

I'm extending my break to run a new minecraft modded client

[midnight sigil]

qwq...?

[midnight sigil]

by run do you mean downloading and executing, or developing a new modded client

[olive sable]

sure
i would say just make sure you're finished in time but that would be hipocrytical

[olive sable]

`(*>﹏<*)′

[amber fractal]

I mean I stalled for 6 days, I deserve it

[olive sable]

idk if im gonan be able to finish this in 3 days

[midnight sigil]

don't ignore me

[amber fractal]

I did not ask for you

[amber fractal]

I usually assemble modpacks/modded clients by hand

[midnight sigil]

I see

[midnight sigil]

curseforge is where I find my virus

[amber fractal]

Seems like the boi is not vibing

probably forgot some vulkan package on my system

sidequest for later did someone say RT Cores https://modrinth.com/mod/vulkanite-mod

[olive sable]

RT cores?

where?

idk about vulkan packages, i thought that was jsut part of your gpu drivers

[amber fractal]

I'm not testing on my gaming system

iGPU my beloved

[olive sable]

idk

goodluck

[amber fractal]

I forgot a package 👍

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

kinda need vulkan-tools to use vulkan

nope, MC is stroking without me interfering

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the fabric loader is bugged

I had to knock out half of the mods in the client but this is with vulkan-mod (menu would not shut while taking screenshot)

[olive sable]

is the performance decent?

im assuming 144hz is vsync so not using full gpu?

oh rip screenshot

[amber fractal]

redoing test, this client did not have args

[olive sable]

ah

[amber fractal]

(pretend this is 140fps)

uncapped fps, saw a 200 for a second this time

120 while moving, so I'm considering that the min

Now time to swap back (note, no nvidium due to iGPU)

also not distant horizons becase that preforms worse on this system

[olive sable]

lower fps while moving makes sense. i had a time where moving made the fps drop to a 4th

[amber fractal]

erm

395 max 294 moving

[olive sable]

oooh

on integrated graphics thats good

[amber fractal]

shaders time :xdx:

[olive sable]

slowly but surely solving the housing crisis

[amber fractal]

a test I couldn't do on vulkan due to no support for shaders

[olive sable]

i have discovered that usign the same model twice breaks collision tho

more debugging

[amber fractal]

Complmentry, default high settings

[hoary lion]

I do not want to migrate to windows 11

[amber fractal]

and take this sunset

[olive sable]

then dont

[olive sable]

its playable-ish

[hoary lion]

i want the new updates tho

[olive sable]

you just said you didnt

[hoary lion]

duality of me

ahh

want the newest 'security' but not the 11

[amber fractal]

secutirty updates and feature updates are two very diffrent beasts

[olive sable]

ye.. its pretty much a package deal so

[hoary lion]

such moment ngl

[olive sable]

what im about to do is probably really stupid, and wastes vram, but i dont have the time to make a better system for this

if using the same model multiple times causes collision issues, ill just make them seperate models of the same file

[amber fractal]

-# This pack does not need 16GB ram

[hoary lion]

how does this happen

do instances not get separated or something

[olive sable]

like this

rendObj.model gets changed per instance

cuz each instance has its own boundingbox

or its supposed to have that

[hoary lion]

oh so you give each instances hitboxes

[olive sable]

actually this shouldnt take too long to fix in the proper way, ill jsut move the boundingbox from modle to object

[olive sable]

i get the hitbox data straight from the gltf file, but i still need to put it from object space into world space

[amber fractal]

Alright 2gb is good enough

[olive sable]

2gb?

when i play minecraft i just say "fuck it, you shall have 48GB feast my child"

[amber fractal]

2gb 20 render distance is crazy

[hoary lion]

forge moment

[amber fractal]

fabric actually but yeah

[hoary lion]

nah forge memory requirements are crazy

specially at initial mod loading phase

[olive sable]

you're on diffrent pasges