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sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 5:26 PM

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it would be costly since no dynamic dispatch

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 5:26 PM

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i think its partially also done to support something like test harnesses

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 5:26 PM

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makes sense

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 5:26 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/konata-lucky-star-luck-star-arch-arch-linux-gif-6879865348421437935

Tenor

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 5:26 PM

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very explicit algebraic effects

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 5:27 PM

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essentially colouring functions by their effects

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interesting

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makes sense with the allocator api too

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 5:28 PM

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you can set makefile highlighting for these btw

$(shell mkdir -p $(OUTPUT))
all: $(OUTPUT)/a.exe

$(OUTPUT)/a.exe: $(OBJS)
    $(CXX) $(OBJS) -g -o $@ $(LDFLAGS)

$(OUTPUT)/%.o: src/%.cpp
    $(CXX) $(CXXFLAGS) -c $< -o $@

-include $(DEPS)

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 5:28 PM

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ah, sdl2_image depends on libgcc_s

old totem Jul 13, 2025, 5:29 PM

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im not sure if anyone uses excel here

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 5:29 PM

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opaque sigil ah, `sdl2_image` depends on `libgcc_s`

so im fucked?

old totem Jul 13, 2025, 5:29 PM

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but i was hoping someone could help me make an addon with cpp and VBA

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 5:29 PM

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opaque sigil ah, `sdl2_image` depends on `libgcc_s`

pretty much anything compiled with gcc depends on that IIRC

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 5:29 PM

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sage crag essentially colouring functions by their effects

this doesnt directly solve it because delimited continuations are very much different from "regular" code
https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/23446

GitHub

Proposal: stackless coroutines as low-level primitives · Issue #23...

This proposal assumes the existence of #23367. Background At the time of writing, @andrewrk and @jacobly0 are exploring the idea of implementing async/await in userland, based on the new Io interfa...

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 5:29 PM

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warped narwhal pretty much anything compiled with gcc depends on that IIRC

that'd be news to me

trim valve Jul 13, 2025, 5:30 PM

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is the nixos manual a good place to start in terms of getting to grips with nixos

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 5:30 PM

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opaque sigil that'd be news to me

libgcc contains functions that gcc emits calls to instead of generating code. I'm pretty sure operations on __int128 are part of it.

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 5:30 PM

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trim valve is the nixos manual a good place to start in terms of getting to grips with nixo...

imo just jump straight to the options html

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https://nixos.org/manual/nixos/stable/options.html

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if you know what you need that is

trim valve Jul 13, 2025, 5:31 PM

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i have never touched nixos before

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 5:31 PM

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the config file is pretty self explanatory

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but its true that for stuff like updating you'll have to read the manual

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the problem is nixos manual still suggests stuff like nix-env which is just not a good idea

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 5:32 PM

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is this version on github yet, there's a couple things i'd like to try to make it work neuroPogHD

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 5:33 PM

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anyway its not that hard to understand surface level configuration, and the best place to start is just editing it

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 5:33 PM

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opaque sigil is this version on github yet, there's a couple things i'd like to try to make i...

the broken ass makefile?

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no

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 5:33 PM

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when you're comfortable with that i'd recommend you to learn nix flakes

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 5:33 PM

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i have a working version on there tho

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 5:33 PM

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genuine question about nixos, I know that it uses a programming language for it's configs, but when would you actually need to calculate things instead of just using the static variables etc

rough bloom Jul 13, 2025, 5:34 PM

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trim valve is the nixos manual a good place to start in terms of getting to grips with nixo...

if something is documented there then I think it's pretty good, yeah
could at least skim sections you're interested in

but you can expect to have to jump between the manual, the options list/search, and the sometimes Nixpkgs repo a lot in general because not everything is documented well mahi
when in doubt, ask here SMILE

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 5:34 PM

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wait i didnt push that one

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 5:34 PM

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warped narwhal genuine question about nixos, I know that it uses a programming language for it'...

its not for "config"

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its for "building software" (or any kind of files, really)

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but also

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if you just put each config file as a string you dont necessarily need computations

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but if you want structured configuration, you at least need something like string interpolation

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if you want to use lists, you now have to have list concatenation and access operations, folds, maps

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any good language for operating on structured data supports key-value maps

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then you may want to convert a structured list of mounts to fstab format, boom you need toposort

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also, the module system itself is written in the nix language

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the way configuration from different modules is merged is written in the language itself

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this means you can e.g. write custom rules for merging configuration

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 5:39 PM

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@opaque sigil wouldnt gdb work?

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 5:39 PM

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that's a debugger

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 5:41 PM

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isnt it also able to look at avriables?

rough bloom Jul 13, 2025, 5:41 PM

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if you want to use a debugger to help diagnose your UB problem, then yeah, you could do that

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is gdb a thing on Windows

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 5:42 PM

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gdb can show you a backtrace when the program crashes

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 5:42 PM

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its installed lready

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 5:42 PM

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and you can inspect the asm and the stack and so on

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 5:43 PM

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Thread 1 received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x00007ff6c689e453 in std::_Hashtable<int, std::pair<int const, unsigned int>, std::allocator<std::pair<int const, unsigned int> >, std::__detail::_Select1st, std::equal_to<int>, std::hash<int>, std::__detail::_Mod_range_hashing, std::__detail::_Default_ranged_hash, std::__detail::_Prime_rehash_policy, std::__detail::_Hashtable_traits<false, false, true> >::_M_find_before_node (this=<optimized out>, __bkt=<optimized out>, __k=<optimized out>, __code=<optimized out>) at C:/w64devkit/lib/gcc/x86_64-w64-mingw32/15.1.0/include/c++/bits/hashtable.h:2205
2205          __node_base_ptr __prev_p = _M_buckets[__bkt];
(gdb)

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hmmm

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whatever that is

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 5:44 PM

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olive sable whatever that is

you gave an invalid key to a hashmap

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 5:44 PM

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i didnt know i was using a hashmap

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 5:44 PM

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olive sable ``` Thread 1 received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x00007ff6c689e453 in ...

press bt

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orry, type

twin rose Jul 13, 2025, 5:47 PM

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so neuro is just a chatbot? have my own running on my phone lmao ye

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 5:49 PM

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(gdb) bt
#0  0x00007ff78b64e453 in std::_Hashtable<int, std::pair<int const, unsigned int>, std::allocator<std::pair<int const, unsigned int> >, std::__detail::_Select1st, std::equal_to<int>, std::hash<int>, std::__detail::_Mod_range_hashing, std::__detail::_Default_ranged_hash, std::__detail::_Prime_rehash_policy, std::__detail::_Hashtable_traits<false, false, true> >::_M_find_before_node (this=<optimized out>, __bkt=<optimized out>, __k=<optimized out>, __code=<optimized out>) at C:/w64devkit/lib/gcc/x86_64-w64-mingw32/15.1.0/include/c++/bits/hashtable.h:2205
#1  std::_Hashtable<int, std::pair<int const, unsigned int>, std::allocator<std::pair<int const, unsigned int> >, std::__detail::_Select1st, std::equal_to<int>, std::hash<int>, std::__detail::_Mod_range_hashing, std::__detail::_Default_ranged_hash, std::__detail::_Prime_rehash_policy, std::__detail::_Hashtable_traits<false, false, true> >::_M_find_node (this=<optimized out>, __key=<optimized out>, __c=<optimized out>, __bkt=<optimized out>) at C:/w64devkit/lib/gcc/x86_64-w64-mingw32/15.1.0/include/c++/bits/hashtable.h:909
#2  std::__detail::_Map_base<int, std::pair<int const, unsigned int>, std::allocator<std::pair<int const, unsigned int> >, std::__detail::_Select1st, std::equal_to<int>, std::hash<int>, std::__detail::_Mod_range_hashing, std::__detail::_Default_ranged_hash, std::__detail::_Prime_rehash_policy, std::__detail::_Hashtable_traits<false, false, true>, true>::operator[] (this=this@entry=0xedaac8, __k=@0x26a4cb0: 0) at C:/w64devkit/lib/gcc/x86_64-w64-mingw32/15.1.0/include/c++/bits/hashtable_policy.h:888
#3  0x00007ff78b593af1 in std::unordered_map<int, unsigned int, std::hash<int>, std::equal_to<int>, std::allocator<std::pair<int const, unsigned int> >

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>::operator[] (this=<optimized out>, __k=@0x26a4cb0: 0) at C:/w64devkit/lib/gcc/x86_64-w64-mingw32/15.1.0/include/c++/bits/unordered_map.h:1058
#4  Model::drawModel (this=0xedaa80) at src/loadGLTF.cpp:85
#5  0x00007ff78b5453e3 in Render::baseloop (this=0x5ffd00) at C:/w64devkit/lib/gcc/x86_64-w64-mingw32/15.1.0/include/c++/bits/shared_ptr_base.h:1672
#6  Render::baseloop (this=<optimized out>) at src/main.cpp:301
#7  Render::nativeLoop (this=0x5ffd00) at src/main.cpp:298
#8  Render::chooseLoop (this=0x5ffd00) at src/main.cpp:280
#9  Render::Render (this=0x5ffd00) at src/main.cpp:264
#10 SDL_main (argc=<optimized out>, argv=argv@entry=0x6c4ce0) at src/main.cpp:535
#11 0x00007ff78b5b92e6 in main_getcmdline () at ../src/main/windows/SDL_windows_main.c:80
#12 0x00007ff78b5412f1 in __tmainCRTStartup ()
#13 0x00007ff78b54135c in mainCRTStartup ()
(gdb)

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too big for 1 message lol

rare bramble Jul 13, 2025, 5:50 PM

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🐥 🚬 Segmentation fault

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 5:51 PM

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Pizza time

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 5:51 PM

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olive sable ```bash >::operator[] (this=<optimized out>, __k=@0x26a4cb0: 0) at C:/w64devkit/...

well, now you know that the crash is in loadGLTF.cpp at line 85

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 5:51 PM

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neuroHypers

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which is

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glBindTexture(GL_TEXTURE_2D, textureMap[mesh.textureIndex]);

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huh

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 5:52 PM

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so you somehow corrupted the texture index

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 5:52 PM

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fuck

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 5:52 PM

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are you casting any pointers?

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or maybe, are you modifying some containers while iterating over them?

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like removing or adding elements

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 5:55 PM

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creating the textures happens in this loop here

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and the index get added to meshdata

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which gets added to a vector

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and the other possible loop is this one

for (RenderableObject &rendObj : objectlist)
{
    glm::vec3 position = rendObj.object.position;
    rendObj.model->aabb.min += position;
    rendObj.model->aabb.max += position;
    for (boundingbox &box : rendObj.model->boundingboxes)
    {
        //box.min += position;
        //box.max += position;
    }
}

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rendObj.model->aabb.min += position;
rendObj.model->aabb.max += position;
box.min += position;
box.max += position;

seemed to be the culprits earlier so probably them?

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 6:00 PM

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olive sable creating the textures happens in this loop here

note that push_back creates a copy of the object to be pushed

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 6:00 PM

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monkaS

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 6:00 PM

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(you have to use std::move if you dont want that)

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 6:01 PM

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push_back didnt break it before but im thinking if that was just coincidence

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 6:01 PM

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additionally, if the GL code takes some pointers for binding, you have to be extra sure not to invalidate them

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 6:02 PM

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olive sable push_back didnt break it before but im thinking if that was just coincidence

when you have weird stuff like that you pretty much have to scan your entire program for potential errors

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theres no other way

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thats why we have static and dynamic analysis tools like ubsan/asan that do it for you

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in your case, its data being corrupted for no reason when you do something unrelated, so the actual problem is probably in a completely different place

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 6:03 PM

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okp

rigid snow Jul 13, 2025, 6:25 PM

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ICANT very helpful

rare bramble Jul 13, 2025, 6:25 PM

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my base is starting to be a lot more solid now

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idk if it looks like much has changed but I have improved a lot of things under the hood

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though if I'm invaded atm, I shall perish

fast pagoda Jul 13, 2025, 6:51 PM

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i feel as though i am going insane

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i have been switching my applications

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and themes

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to light mode

topaz tendon Jul 13, 2025, 6:59 PM

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I went through something somewhat similar, but I kept dark mode everything at home while I set light mode everything at work. I don't know if it's placebo, but it may have helped me with keeping my head in my work tasks.

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 7:05 PM

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tender river in your case, its data being corrupted for no reason when you do something unrel...

(gdb) print this
$1 = <optimized out>
(gdb) print this->textureMap
value has been optimized out

Ah yes, we do like optemizing i guess?

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:05 PM

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compile with -g and no -O if you want debug info

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 7:05 PM

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there is the -Og flag to get better debugging

stark needle Jul 13, 2025, 7:07 PM

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wtf is this instance

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bro is hogging all the 4090s😭

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 7:07 PM

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is that $15 an hour, or $15000 an hour?

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:07 PM

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15k

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 7:07 PM

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yikes

stark needle Jul 13, 2025, 7:07 PM

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warped narwhal is that $15 an hour, or $15000 an hour?

15$/hr

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:07 PM

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you're not getting a 32x4090 for $15 lol

stark needle Jul 13, 2025, 7:08 PM

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tender river you're not getting a 32x4090 for $15 lol

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it is 15$/hr

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 7:08 PM

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wtf?

amber fractal Jul 13, 2025, 7:08 PM

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neuroMonkaOMEGA

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:08 PM

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wth

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 7:08 PM

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it's called losing money neuroPogHD

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the silicon valley special

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 7:09 PM

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why buy a 4090 when you can have 32 for 200 hours for the same price?

stark needle Jul 13, 2025, 7:09 PM

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fr

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😭

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 7:09 PM

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I suppose, if you're only doing a one time task with them, then it is much more cost effective

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:09 PM

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if we divide that by 32 its 266 days of 24/7 uptime

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 7:09 PM

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32 for 200 hours is the same as 1 for 6400 hours no?

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:09 PM

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minus power costs

stark needle Jul 13, 2025, 7:10 PM

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12 4090s it's 3.77$/hr

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 7:10 PM

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bruh

stark needle Jul 13, 2025, 7:10 PM

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warped narwhal bruh

it depends on whos selling it

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u can get h100 for 40 cents ez

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 7:12 PM

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okay fwiw i managed to get your game engine running with clang sam, all statically linked too

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vcpkg my beloved

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could be worse glueless

amber fractal Jul 13, 2025, 7:17 PM

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warped narwhal bruh

You'd legit be better off paying for that 3090 in full

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if your going to be using it very often for interference and other sruff

violet plover Jul 13, 2025, 7:18 PM

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I think I have a spare 3090 in a drawer somewhere

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 7:19 PM

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@rough bloom the things we do to avoid msvc neuro7

rough bloom Jul 13, 2025, 7:22 PM

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this is why we use build systems neuroCURSED

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surely with something like CMake you at least don't have to specify stuff like -lkernel32

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Shirley

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 7:23 PM

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meson has wrapped dependencies for pretty much all of these so it'd be like 5 lines to get everything locally

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you probably don't need to specify all of them i just grabbed them all from the pkg-config file for sdl2

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 7:23 PM

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ok -O0 moved the crash to

Thread 1 received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x00007ff662de9d80 in glm::vec<3, float, (glm::qualifier)3>::operator+=<float> (this=0x6ce000, v=...) at src/include/glm/./ext/../detail/type_vec3.inl:248
248                     this->x += static_cast<T>(v.x);

neuroLookUp

nocturne olive Jul 13, 2025, 7:23 PM

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amber fractal if your going to be using it very often for interference and other sruff

For me it definitely makes sense to own the 3090 with how often I do training

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 7:24 PM

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i'm half tempted to make a pr with meson as the build system but i doubt it'd get accepted neuroPogHD

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 7:24 PM

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i am the best konii clone

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 7:24 PM

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idk how meson works so idk

amber fractal Jul 13, 2025, 7:25 PM

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sage crag i am the best konii clone

How many other clones are there :susge:

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:25 PM

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i have killed the other chayleaf clones so i am trivially the best chayleaf clone

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unless some escaped

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 7:25 PM

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amber fractal How many other clones are there :susge:

neurojuice

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 7:25 PM

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at least 4

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 7:25 PM

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could be

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:26 PM

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do you have gatherings

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 7:26 PM

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tender river do you have gatherings

i have no time for garbage collection

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:26 PM

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newero

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 7:26 PM

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enub

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 7:28 PM

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opaque sigil i'm half tempted to make a pr with meson as the build system but i doubt it'd ge...

i migth accept it if you explain how i use a melon

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meson

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whatever same thing

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 7:28 PM

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melon is type of fruit

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:28 PM

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tender river unless some escaped

actually if some escaped i'm still the best chayleaf clone

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 7:28 PM

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sage crag melon is type of fruit

meson is type of particle

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 7:28 PM

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im hungry

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niuh

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 7:29 PM

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meson is probably edible

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:29 PM

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it wouldnt be filling

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unless you have a lot of them

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 7:29 PM

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what if its a really big meson made of chocolate

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:30 PM

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how will you eat it, it disappears after like 0.2 nanoseconds

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 7:30 PM

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im faster

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:30 PM

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your digestion also has to keep up

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 7:31 PM

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neuroSad2

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:31 PM

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we can buy you a regular chocolate bar instead, it wont disappear

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(unless its really really hot)

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 7:32 PM

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my digestion is masterclass

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my metabolism works away the carbs before they're even in my body

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 7:33 PM

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tender river we can buy you a regular chocolate bar instead, it wont disappear

pleas

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neuroSadge

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:33 PM

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sorry its 2am remind me tomorrow

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do you want milk or dark

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 7:34 PM

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dark enub

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:34 PM

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good choice

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in my nearest supermarket theres like 5 shelves of milk chocolate but only 1 shelf of dark chocolate i wish they'd add more variety

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 7:36 PM

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m

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choco

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tasty

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 7:36 PM

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my nearest shop is the exact opposite, the cheap own-brand bars always have no milk and white chocolate, but hundreds of dark chocolate

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for referemce I don't like dark chocolate

amber fractal Jul 13, 2025, 7:40 PM

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dark and light chocolate is nice

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 7:40 PM

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NeuroUpandDown

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:49 PM

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sketch

# ~(List[A]; int; ~Option[B]; ~(val:A, backtrack:~()))
amb choices i finish choose =
  if = i choices.length @ {
    finish ()
  } else {
    choose choices[i] @;
    amb choices (+ i 1 @) finish choose
  };

# ~(~(int; int))
pair_sum10 return =
  let (a, backtrack) = amb [1,2,3,4,5,6] 0 panic @;
  let (b, backtrack) = amb [1,2,3,4,5,6] 0 backtrack @;
  if = (+ a b @) 10 {
    return a b
  } else {
    backtrack ()
  };

the language itself isnt that weird (other than cps everywhere) but what i'm interested in is compiling it to use the stack rather than the heap

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 7:49 PM

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awa

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:49 PM

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bwa

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 7:49 PM

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awa

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 7:49 PM

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cwa

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 7:49 PM

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bwaa

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 7:50 PM

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warped narwhal bruh

CerberHOLY they have some good rates.

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 7:50 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/autism-creature-autism-yippee-yippee-creature-tbh-creature-gif-13973309825992112839

Tenor

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meow

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 7:52 PM

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i just remembered i have an exam in 4 days, maybe i should prepare for that neuroPogHD

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 7:52 PM

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just remembered lmao

gritty dust Jul 13, 2025, 7:54 PM

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opaque sigil i just remembered i have an exam in 4 days, maybe i should prepare for that <:ne...

... probably lol

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 7:54 PM

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it's fiiiiiiiine

stark needle Jul 13, 2025, 7:54 PM

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violet plover I think I have a spare 3090 in a drawer somewhere

neuroLookUp

stark needle Jul 13, 2025, 7:54 PM

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warped narwhal <:CerberHOLY:1278121470102474795> they have some good rates.

wait this ones crazy wtf

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 7:55 PM

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Btw Sam I pushed my clang version to its own branch if you ever feel like going that route for whatever reason neuroPogHD

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uses vcpkg for the dependencies though

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 7:59 PM

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cl ang

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https://tenor.com/view/evil-pipes-evil-neuro-neuro-sama-gif-17176048630281604301

Tenor

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 7:59 PM

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idk what vcpkg is but sure

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 7:59 PM

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it's a package manager for c/c++

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 7:59 PM

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NODDERS

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 8:01 PM

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https://www.cs.tufts.edu/~nr/cs257/archive/kent-dybvig/stack.pdf this looks promising

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:01 PM

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lets you avoid having to grab the dependencies manually and just install them via a single command which is nice, especially for windows

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 8:02 PM

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tender river https://www.cs.tufts.edu/~nr/cs257/archive/kent-dybvig/stack.pdf this looks prom...

i want to implement a simple systems language with continuations without fancy type shenanigans or, well, without anything really, because i want to understand how to implement algebraic effects

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oh even better http://manticore.cs.uchicago.edu/papers/pldi20-stacks-n-conts.pdf

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 8:06 PM

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stark needle wait this ones crazy wtf

I think it's because it's interruptible, so if someone else bids higher than you, then your instance stops until you bid again.

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:11 PM

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opaque sigil Btw Sam I pushed my clang version to its own branch if you ever feel like going ...

hipity hopity your makefile is now my property

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ahh

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errors, my favorite

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 8:16 PM

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tender river i want to implement a simple systems language with continuations without fancy t...

ok i originally thought continuations would be a cool idea for "first class return" but after reading more it seems the cost of general continuations seems to just be not worth it, oh well

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then i can jump back into erf without bothering with continuations

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:17 PM

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olive sable errors, my favorite

the makefile assumes you have access to the static libs for sdl2 and sdl2-image neuro7

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:18 PM

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i might have them somewhere

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:18 PM

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you can make it dynamic but then it expects the dlls to be available and that's kinda annoying too

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so i just made it static

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:20 PM

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if you got it working, where did you get the static versions from?

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:21 PM

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vcpkg, if you have it installed somewhere you can just run vcpkg install --triplet x64-windows-static in the project root and it downloads them

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:24 PM

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it is doing downloading a bunch of stuff now ye

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i probably should move vcpkg out of my onedrive tho KEKW

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:25 PM

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probably neurOMEGALUL

amber fractal Jul 13, 2025, 8:27 PM

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gotta continue making microsoft scan new exe files tho :xdx:

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:28 PM

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amber fractal Jul 13, 2025, 8:29 PM

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Seems like it is indeed doing that still

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:30 PM

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Hmmge

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:30 PM

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huh

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:31 PM

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i did a quick make clear and now i get ./src\loadGLTF.hpp:43:7: error: no template named 'optional' in namespace 'std'

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:31 PM

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guess it's targeting c++14

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:32 PM

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ah

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ok

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:32 PM

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that's weird though, what version of clang are you using

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:33 PM

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opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:33 PM

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that's the same version i was using too

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cool

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:34 PM

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i added a -std=c++23 and now i receive a bunch of glew errors

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why cant things jsut work?

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:35 PM

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excellent question

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what's the whole command that triggered the errors menherathonk

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:37 PM

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chatgpt says -lglew32s instead of -lglew32?

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:37 PM

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nah

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:38 PM

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opaque sigil what's the whole command that triggered the errors <:menherathonk:11656763368582...

im just doing make

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:38 PM

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the 4 clang++ commands that run

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:38 PM

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clang++ -O3 -Wall -I./src -I./src/include -I./models/V-nexus -I./vcpkg_installed/x64-windows-static/include -DSDL_MAIN_HANDLED -DSDL_STATIC -DGLEW_STATIC -std=c++23 -c src/shader.cpp -g -o output/shader.o

clang++ -O3 -Wall -I./src -I./src/include -I./models/V-nexus -I./vcpkg_installed/x64-windows-static/include -DSDL_MAIN_HANDLED -DSDL_STATIC -DGLEW_STATIC -std=c++23 -c src/loadGLTF.cpp -g -o output/loadGLTF.o

clang++ -O3 -Wall -I./src -I./src/include -I./models/V-nexus -I./vcpkg_installed/x64-windows-static/include -DSDL_MAIN_HANDLED -DSDL_STATIC -DGLEW_STATIC -std=c++23 -c src/glcontext.cpp -g -o output/glcontext.o

clang++ output/main.o output/shader.o output/loadGLTF.o output/glcontext.o -g -o output/a.exe -fuse-ld=lld -L./src/lib -L./vcpkg_installed/x64-windows-static/lib -lSDL2-static -lSDL2_image-static -lSDL2_ttf -lfreetype -lopengl32 -lglew32 -lkernel32 -luser32 -lgdi32 -lwinmm -limm32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -lversion -luuid -ladvapi32 -lsetupapi -lshell32 -ldinput8 -llibpng16 -lbz2 -lzlib -lbrotlidec -lbrotlienc -lbrotlicommon

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:40 PM

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hmmmm

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the only difference is the c++23

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okay

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it does work with c++23 for me

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oh

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i know why

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 8:42 PM

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is there a repo where I can try to compile it?

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:42 PM

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you're using the other glew

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:43 PM

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opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:43 PM

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you still have the #include <glew/glew.h> so it doesn't error out because it does find it

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:43 PM

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ahhh

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:43 PM

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even though it should use the one under GL/glew.h

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:43 PM

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so i delete the other one?

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:43 PM

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which is the static one

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yeah

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just yeet them all under src/lib

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and fix the compile errors

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:44 PM

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it seems to run now

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neuroHypers

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:44 PM

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neuroHypers

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:44 PM

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before crashing from the issue that is still present KEKW

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:45 PM

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how did you even run it before, does mingw automatically link everything statically

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:45 PM

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idk

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i was using g++

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time for -fsanitize=address hopefully

rough bloom Jul 13, 2025, 8:47 PM

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opaque sigil how did you even run it before, does mingw automatically link everything statica...

dynamically linked I assume, depending on what was in src/lib
all the system libs should be automatically linked by MinGW mhm

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:48 PM

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oh wait you're right

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the mingw library path is under PATH i think

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so it'd find them there at runtime

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idk

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doesn't matter anyway now i guess neuroPogHD

rough bloom Jul 13, 2025, 8:49 PM

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neuroHypers static linking

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:50 PM

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neuroHypers

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 8:50 PM

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static linking is too based

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too based for libc

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enub

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:50 PM

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*glibc

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 8:51 PM

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this is true

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:51 PM

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musl my beloved

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 8:51 PM

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poor musl

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rough bloom Jul 13, 2025, 8:52 PM

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libc is pretty much the only library where static linking isn't that useful anyway

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:52 PM

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onedrive casualy "you're running low on storage 84%" KEKW
like nah i aint paying for a glorified 5GB usb stick

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:53 PM

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rough bloom libc is pretty much the only library where static linking isn't that useful anyw...

you will statically link libc and you will be happy ReallyMad

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 8:53 PM

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sage crag static linking is too based

my compile times neuroCry

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 8:55 PM

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keeps complaining about a missing dll for some reason

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 8:56 PM

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menherathonk

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:00 PM

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My pc froze

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Classic win11

amber fractal Jul 13, 2025, 9:00 PM

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system32.dll was missing (real)

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:00 PM

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KEKW

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NOOOO

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It was a ploy to update my pc

amber fractal Jul 13, 2025, 9:02 PM

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FRICK

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 9:02 PM

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tender river my compile times <:neuroCry:1110064189839523881>

hi

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what if every IO function can return Future(IoResult(T)) or IoResult(T)

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hm

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no, then you would have to shove await everywhere

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how to async without await

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enub

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:07 PM

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hi

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 9:07 PM

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hi

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:07 PM

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hi

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:07 PM

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sage crag how to async without await

its called continuations

amber fractal Jul 13, 2025, 9:07 PM

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hi

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:07 PM

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but its not well suited for a systems language, typically requires lot of heap allocations or at least stack switching

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 9:07 PM

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rip

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eh, the main problem with await is fragmenting ecosystems

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what if i just make everything async

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:08 PM

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now everything is a state machine neuro7

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 9:09 PM

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tender river now everything is a state machine <:neuro7:1129322212265050204>

i dont mean that everything is necessarily async, just that it has async ergonomics

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:10 PM

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i once tried implementing async and sync deserialization code for a random file format

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i could do it with some macros but since async functions are state machines they cant actually recurse without boxing

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 9:10 PM

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who needs async anyway just use threads

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neuroCry

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every time i revisit async i realise how much it sucks

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:11 PM

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why not do async via threads neuroPogHD

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:11 PM

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if you design your whole language around async it doesnt suck but then it not a systems language

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 9:12 PM

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opaque sigil why not do async via threads <:neuroPogHD:1057778797056901130>

then i have to write threads

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 9:12 PM

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tender river if you design your whole language around async it doesnt suck but then it not a ...

yeah, its javascript enub

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:12 PM

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opaque sigil why not do async via threads <:neuroPogHD:1057778797056901130>

synchronization and syscall/context switching overhead

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:12 PM

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sage crag yeah, its javascript <:enub:1163912230585237655>

i mean go is not javascript but i get your point

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:12 PM

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neuroDespair

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 9:12 PM

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tender river i mean go is not javascript but i get your point

go shares zero letters with javascript

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so i agree

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:12 PM

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unlike rust

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 9:12 PM

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this is true

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3/4 letters are shared

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:12 PM

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go > rust confirmed

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:13 PM

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its read-only aliasing so rust is fine with it

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 9:14 PM

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hblang will probably never get async

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thats fine, do fibres or something

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:14 PM

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sage crag yeah, its javascript <:enub:1163912230585237655>

i'm trying to figure out a way to do async in erf and pretty much the only conclusion i came to is - make so the same code can compile using different "compilers", some to "native" code, some to state machines. in the lisp world this is also used for something like automatic differentiation. well, this requires heavy metaprogramming which is out of scope, this is all just theoretic

nocturne olive Jul 13, 2025, 9:15 PM

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olive sable It was a ploy to update my pc

Windows moment

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:15 PM

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yep

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NeuroRage

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:18 PM

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you can run dumpbin.exe /DEPENDENTS /path/to/binary to get a list of DLLs it depends on

it's in somewhere akin to C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\2022\Community\VC\Tools\MSVC\14.44.35207\bin\Hostx86\x64\dumpbin.exe

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:19 PM

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dumpbin.exe?

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do i need to install that?

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:20 PM

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it comes with msvc

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:20 PM

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ok

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:22 PM

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this is the list for me, all shipped by windows so unless you added another library or something went very wrong they should all be accessible PikaThink

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:23 PM

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dumpin is in visual studio tho? i dont have that

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:23 PM

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well

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sounds like it's time to install visual studio

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:23 PM

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catdespair

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:24 PM

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say goodbye to 8gb of your storage or however much it is

rough bloom Jul 13, 2025, 9:24 PM

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why are we looking at the list of runtime dependencies? didn't it run here? #programming message

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:25 PM

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awawa

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:25 PM

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it failed to start cause of missing runtime dependencies

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as for why

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:25 PM

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it crasjhed with Error -1073741515

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:25 PM

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your guess is as good as mine

rough bloom Jul 13, 2025, 9:26 PM

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olive sable it crasjhed with Error -1073741515

and that code is supposed to mean "missing DLL"? AINTNEURWAY

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good job Microsoft

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:26 PM

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NTSTATUS 0xC0000135 => The code execution cannot proceed because %hs was not found. Reinstalling the program may fix this problem.

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it's annoying cause they internally store the status as i32s but then show them as u32s

rare bramble Jul 13, 2025, 9:27 PM

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opaque sigil it's annoying cause they internally store the status as i32s but then show them ...

https://tenor.com/view/aintneurway-aintnoway-neuro-sama-gif-5891904396562474502

Tenor

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:28 PM

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or rather, they show them as u32 in their reference

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i get that they're technically the same number but neuroSob

rough bloom Jul 13, 2025, 9:29 PM

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I like how (relatively) easy debugging dynamic linking issues is on Linux
LD_DEBUG=all solves everything

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:34 PM

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oh wait i'm dumb

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you can quite literally just double click the executable and it'll tell you which library is missing

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i was always forget about that since i never launch stuff that way neurOMEGALUL

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:35 PM

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opaque sigil you can run `dumpbin.exe /DEPENDENTS /path/to/binary` to get a list of DLLs it d...

liek this?

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opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:35 PM

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forgot the /dependents

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:35 PM

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ah

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opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:36 PM

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found our culprit neuroPogHD

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:37 PM

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so the same depends

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?

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:37 PM

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it doesn't find the first one i bet

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:37 PM

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ARGendoHmm so how do i fix it?

rough bloom Jul 13, 2025, 9:38 PM

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I have a suggestion
copy that DLL and put it next to a.exe neuroPogHD

keen swift Jul 13, 2025, 9:38 PM

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This is very fun:

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:38 PM

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a.a.a.a

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:38 PM

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you can add the folder where the dll is to PATH temporarily

gritty dust Jul 13, 2025, 9:38 PM

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keen swift This is very fun:

what the...

rough bloom Jul 13, 2025, 9:39 PM

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rough bloom I have a suggestion copy that DLL and put it next to `a.exe` <:neuroPogHD:105777...

should be close to whereever Clang is
just make sure you get it from the right version since you might have multiple versions of Clang installed

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:39 PM

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there's a clang_rt.asan_static_runtime_thunk-x86_64.lib neuroPogHD

keen swift Jul 13, 2025, 9:39 PM

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gritty dust what the...

Basically I ask it to analysis a regex I wrote that cause ReDoS
And now it DoS itself and also my laptop

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:40 PM

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(don't ask me how to statically link asan idk)

keen swift Jul 13, 2025, 9:40 PM

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Or maybe not itself since Google have bunch of compute

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:40 PM

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opaque sigil there's a `clang_rt.asan_static_runtime_thunk-x86_64.lib` <:neuroPogHD:105777879...

ye idk either lmao

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neuroPogHD

rough bloom Jul 13, 2025, 9:40 PM

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Limitations

Static linking of executables is not supported.
I think you might just have to use the DLL

keen swift Jul 13, 2025, 9:41 PM

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opaque sigil (don't ask me how to statically link asan idk)

Something like the compiler know what the function the library have and would already link to them at the start of program🤔

rare bramble Jul 13, 2025, 9:41 PM

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keen swift This is very fun:

neuroWave oh hey, I remember you from the b001's server
welcome

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:41 PM

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rough bloom > ## Limitations > - Static linking of executables is not supported. I think you...

of opengl?

rough bloom Jul 13, 2025, 9:41 PM

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of ASan

keen swift Jul 13, 2025, 9:41 PM

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rare bramble <:neuroWave:1090851734450077787> oh hey, I remember you from the b001's server w...

Oh hi neuroWave

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:41 PM

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idk where to get that

rough bloom Jul 13, 2025, 9:42 PM

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rough bloom should be close to whereever Clang is just make sure you get it from the right v...

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:42 PM

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now just need to find clang

keen swift Jul 13, 2025, 9:42 PM

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keen swift This is very fun:

It's been showing 53s for 4 mins.

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:43 PM

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i would like to add that the code works perfectly fine with emscripten KEKW

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 9:44 PM

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\lib\clang\20\lib\windows\clang_rt.asan_dynamic-x86_64.dll under whatever folder they installed llvm to

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:44 PM

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ok found it

keen swift Jul 13, 2025, 9:45 PM

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keen swift This is very fun:

I am killing this💀

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:45 PM

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aight it ran for a second

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neuroHypers

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Minamhm

rough bloom Jul 13, 2025, 9:46 PM

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neuroPogHD it found something

keen swift Jul 13, 2025, 9:46 PM

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Seg fault?

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:47 PM

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try ubsan irst

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first

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:47 PM

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where can one find that?

keen swift Jul 13, 2025, 9:47 PM

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My phone just refuse to let me any higher resolution 🥴

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:47 PM

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keen swift My phone just refuse to let me any higher resolution 🥴

make a new backend

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NODDERS

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:48 PM

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-fsanitize=undefined

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:50 PM

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it didnt like that

lld-link: error: /failifmismatch: mismatch detected for 'RuntimeLibrary':
libcpmt.lib(StlLCMapStringA.obj) has value MT_StaticRelease

clang_rt.ubsan_standalone_cxx-x86_64.lib(ubsan_type_hash_win.cpp.obj) has value MD_DynamicRelease
clang++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation)
make: *** [makefile:36: output/a.exe] Error 1

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:51 PM

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mt md neuroDespair

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:51 PM

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so what does that mean?

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:53 PM

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try pasing -s compiler.runtime=MD or -s compiler.runtime=MT

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wait no

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not gonna work i think (or it might idk)

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anyway the issue is that ubsan expects dynamic linking i think? idk

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right, md is about dynamic linking to the C++ runtime

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oh wait

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no dont wait idk

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:58 PM

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-fsanitize=address at least returned something

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idk what it means but ill hopefully find out

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:58 PM

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-static-libsan or -shared-libsan may work

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 9:59 PM

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olive sable idk what it means but ill hopefully find out

it just returned that the invalid access happened on exactly the line of code you said breaks the code

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 9:59 PM

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error: unsupported option '-static-libsan' for target 'x86_64-pc-windows-msvc'

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 10:00 PM

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tender river it just returned that the invalid access happened on exactly the line of code yo...

so that does mean its due to that operation? or could it still be somewhere else?

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 10:00 PM

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it does not mean its due to that operation

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 10:02 PM

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and it even works on emscripten so idk anymore

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its not my code thats wrong, its the c++ compiler

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 10:03 PM

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its your code

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its triggering undefined behavior

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 10:03 PM

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COPIUM

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 10:04 PM

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at this point i'd recommend you to commit everything and then try to strip your program of every feature not related to causing that crash

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 10:04 PM

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weSmart

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normally i get AddressSanitizer: heap-buffer-overflow on address 0x125875ba1100 at pc 0x7ff747793fb4 bp 0x0079112ff500 sp 0x0079112ff548
but when i dont initialize opengl or the sdl window i get AddressSanitizer: access-violation on unknown address 0x000000000000 (pc 0x000000000000 bp 0x00804fcff9a0 sp 0x00804fcfeed8 T0)

pepehmm

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 10:10 PM

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crazy how not initialising causes a segfault

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 10:10 PM

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well ye but im not using sdl nor opengl yet

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im just seeing shit ig

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 10:12 PM

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also i think the only way to get ubsan working here is to not pull dependencies from x64-windows-static and go back to dynamic dependencies so if you feel like using it there's that neuroPogHD

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 10:12 PM

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ive already spent hours on this

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idk if i can be bothered

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is it even worth it?

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 10:13 PM

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Who knows

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 10:13 PM

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@open copper

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 10:13 PM

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@rare bridge

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@real sierra ?

real sierra Jul 13, 2025, 10:14 PM

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raw trout Jul 13, 2025, 10:14 PM

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neuroWaveA

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 10:14 PM

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neuroWaveA

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hi shiro

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hi other mods who may potentialy come due to being pinged

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 10:22 PM

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tender river at this point i'd recommend you to commit everything and then try to strip your ...

mian.cpp has been masacred

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 10:24 PM

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you can still do something like remove type aliases, replace shared_ptr with new (dont care about memory leaks) or stack allocation

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 10:26 PM

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going fromfor (boundingbox &box : mesh2.boundingboxes)
to for (boundingbox box : mesh2.boundingboxes)
seems to fix it

tender river Jul 13, 2025, 10:27 PM

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because you're now copying the box

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so you're not changing the original one

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 10:27 PM

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that is true yes

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what i find most weird is that mesh2.aabb.min += position; doesnt make it break but the ones in the loop do

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 10:55 PM

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so uhh

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i think i figured it out

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i started removing includes...

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removing #define GLM_FORCE_ALIGNED fixes it

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ye its running completely fine now

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bruh

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EvilDIESOFCRINGE

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why didnt you tell me earlier chatgpt? i gave you the entire source code

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this is where those alignas(16) come into play then?

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yep

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oh my lord

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its fixed neuroHypers

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BREAKDANCECAT

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im taking a break

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fuvk

stark needle Jul 13, 2025, 11:08 PM

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Where tf did someone ping me

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I dont see it anywhere

stark needle Jul 13, 2025, 11:09 PM

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warped narwhal I think it's because it's interruptible, so if someone else bids higher than you...

Oh yeah no it's not

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It's on demand

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 11:12 PM

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olive sable its fixed <:neuroHypers:1135051812722982922>

I would keep the alignment, and just tell the vectors to use an aligned allocator

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 11:12 PM

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i did

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alignas(16)

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 11:12 PM

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Ah

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On the vector object?

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Or on its allocator

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 11:13 PM

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on the strruct

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struct alignas(16) boundingbox
{
    glm::vec3 min;
    glm::vec3 max;

    std::optional<glm::vec3> intersectRay(const glm::vec3& ray, const glm::vec3& origin);
};

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this is the struct that the loop goes over

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so since the struct has 2x16 bytes allocated and the for loop was offsettign by 2x12 bytes i think that was what broke it

cosmic sphinx Jul 13, 2025, 11:14 PM

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olive sable why didnt you tell me earlier chatgpt? i gave you the entire source code

putting source code into chatgpt with limited context evilWAJAJA

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 11:14 PM

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Does this solve the issue though? As the std allocators don't need to follow the alignas of a struct

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 11:14 PM

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it stopped crashing

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evilShrug

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why wouldnt they need to follow the alignas?

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the whole point of alignas i thought was for them to be followed

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thats the dumbest shit ive heard c++ do

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 11:15 PM

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Alignas is info for the compiler, not for classes

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 11:16 PM

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bruh

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 11:16 PM

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Remember that the standard library is just regular c++ code, so it doesn't have as many requirements.

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 11:17 PM

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i was kinda hoping the standart code would follow some guidelines

#

it shouldnt just be inconsistent

warped narwhal Jul 13, 2025, 11:20 PM

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It's not a guideline, it's a standard for the compiler, and some data is just straight up not available to c++ code

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 11:21 PM

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bwaadow

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well nayways it works now

#

@opaque sigil thanks btw ZoroPray

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have a cookie 🍪

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same for chay

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 11:25 PM

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awa

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 11:26 PM

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neuroHeart

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Glad to hear everything seems to work now

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Well, except ubsan

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 11:30 PM

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we dont need ubsan NeuroClueless

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 11:30 PM

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not wrong

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 11:31 PM

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who names their child ub anyways?

opaque sigil Jul 13, 2025, 11:31 PM

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Elon would

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 11:31 PM

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sage crag awa

meow

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aight imma watch some anime, fix the collision system hopefully, and then i can start 3D modeling for the game-jam tomorrow

opaque wharf Jul 13, 2025, 11:34 PM

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This is what I imagine konii awa is

YouTube

Jelly Ch. 【Phase Connect】

awa

▶ Play video

amber fractal Jul 13, 2025, 11:35 PM

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waiting for konii to confirm PauseSama

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 11:36 PM

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no, too cute

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its more like voiced pacman

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwf6_Btok1o
except its a person saying awa

YouTube

ThisIsNotMyRealSelf

Pac-Man Waka Waka Seamless Loop

DOWNLOAD (r-click and Save As):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cr33zrhw3ro8cxp/PacmanWakaWaka04.wav?dl=0

Also, as a bonus, death sound:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0ppl0k5fe5k0gzu/PacmanDeath01a.wav?dl=0

Note: It loops perfectly seamlessly in Winamp and Audacity, but for some reason, Windows Movie Maker 2.6 makes it jumpy anyway.

▶ Play video

amber fractal Jul 13, 2025, 11:36 PM

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So this video if made with ancient vocaloid tech

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 11:37 PM

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enub

nocturne olive Jul 13, 2025, 11:37 PM

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Whar are you sillying?

opaque wharf Jul 13, 2025, 11:38 PM

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konii awawa'ing

sage crag Jul 13, 2025, 11:38 PM

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nocturne olive Jul 13, 2025, 11:38 PM

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Whar

opaque wharf Jul 13, 2025, 11:38 PM

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Exactly as I said

olive sable Jul 13, 2025, 11:42 PM

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awa

fast pagoda Jul 13, 2025, 11:55 PM

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why is it that windows device portal is more information in a graphical format, in one place, than anywhere else on the entire system

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and you have to enable it and connect to it remotely

amber fractal Jul 13, 2025, 11:57 PM

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logics

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:00 AM

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?????

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yeah sure bro here do a kernel dump

opaque wharf Jul 14, 2025, 12:02 AM

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Why is it a web app catdespair

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:02 AM

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you can look at every piece of the window manager being rendered

cobalt sigil Jul 14, 2025, 12:02 AM

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uh it looks wide

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:03 AM

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opaque wharf Why is it a web app <:catdespair:1087521982817509426>

you're supposed to remote in to use it i guess

#

but only LAN

#

so like

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idk

opaque wharf Jul 14, 2025, 12:05 AM

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Now I am curious, is that specific web app got higher priority than the rest of the system. Because that would be wack

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:06 AM

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you can even sideload shit

#

you can enable full stack tracing and reboot to get a whole trace of the bootup

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install certificates

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uninstall stuff

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kill running processes

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see the entire file system

#

there's a performance monitor that is just task manager's graphs but run smoother and have more visible

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event tracing

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device management

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network config management

desert plaza Jul 14, 2025, 12:07 AM

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damn that web app is crazy

desert plaza Jul 14, 2025, 12:08 AM

#

fast pagoda install certificates

really

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why

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:08 AM

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you can apparently also use this to host a diag api endpoint for anything YOU are running if you want

#

Starting with Windows 10 Creators Update (version 1703, build 15063), you can use Device Portal to host your app's diagnostic interfaces.

opaque wharf Jul 14, 2025, 12:09 AM

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catdespair

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:09 AM

#

#

certificates

opaque wharf Jul 14, 2025, 12:09 AM

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So that is the backdoor in the name of diagnostic it seems neurOMEGALUL

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:10 AM

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yeah i mean if someone got into this thing it's joever

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guess that's why it's LAN only even tho that doesnt necessarily mean you can't remote to it

#

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/debug-test-perf/device-portal

Windows Device Portal overview - UWP applications

Learn how the Windows Device Portal lets you configure and manage your device remotely over a network or USB connection.

opaque wharf Jul 14, 2025, 12:14 AM

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fast pagoda you're supposed to remote in to use it i guess

What is the authentication tho?

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:14 AM

#

literally set username and password with almost no minimum reqs

desert plaza Jul 14, 2025, 12:14 AM

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despair

opaque wharf Jul 14, 2025, 12:15 AM

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The windows account uname and password or different one?

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:15 AM

#

different one but you can make it the same

#

it wont stop you

#

you can turn auth off entirely

opaque wharf Jul 14, 2025, 12:16 AM

#

That's some juicy toggle for malware neurOMEGALUL

desert plaza Jul 14, 2025, 12:17 AM

#

imagine a 0day in it NeuroClueless

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:17 AM

#

honestly

#

surprised there isn't one

#

unless im missing something

#

well

#

that's why theyre called 0days

#

someone out there HUGE chilling that found the device portal "auth off" button

#

apparently this thing is available on xbox and such as well

#

hololens

#

anything with a windows kernel

desert plaza Jul 14, 2025, 12:20 AM

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well it sure sounds like a juicy attack surface

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:21 AM

#

they packaged it up in a nice restful api for em

#

gave it a lil kiss

#

shipped it out the door

desert plaza Jul 14, 2025, 12:21 AM

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neurOMEGALUL

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:22 AM

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im just waiting for azaka to appear to explain how actually it's fine and i'm a moron missing a huge piece of information

#

i am a magnet for that

desert plaza Jul 14, 2025, 12:23 AM

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all rootkits are fine as long as nobody abuses it tho glueless

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:23 AM

#

real

#

i'm a certified windows expert

#

yesterday i left a command running to install like

#

13 packages

#

the first one being miniconda (reinstalling)

#

and i came back like 2 hours later and it was still on step 1/13, installing miniconda

#

so i was like weird

#

oh well it's REALLY slow

#

left again

#

came back

#

still installing miniconda

#

also hard drive threw an out of space warning

#

miniconda had installed itself over and over

#

failing right at the end

#

until it filled the entire drive with broken minicondas

#

SkepticHacking

desert plaza Jul 14, 2025, 12:26 AM

#

ICANT

#

that's fukin funny

nocturne olive Jul 14, 2025, 12:26 AM

#

That's crazy

opaque sigil Jul 14, 2025, 12:27 AM

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impressive

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:27 AM

#

the reason it was failing was some arbitrary restriction that you're not allowed to update a miniconda install thru winget

#

apparently

#

probably causes it to explode in some way

#

classic

#

but i did not know this

#

and apparently you can get DAMN close to fully installing it

#

until it catches it and stops it

#

but by then you've installed almost the entire package

#

and it does NOT clean that up

opaque sigil Jul 14, 2025, 12:28 AM

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i hope you decided to pin the version so winget won't try again

nocturne olive Jul 14, 2025, 12:28 AM

#

Windows moment

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:28 AM

#

i have successfully ignored version updates for miniconda in winget

#

going forward

#

lol

opaque sigil Jul 14, 2025, 12:28 AM

#

neuroHypers

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:30 AM

#

you made me think "but what about uniget itself"

#

#

monkaLaugh

#

the cursed updaet

desert plaza Jul 14, 2025, 12:31 AM

#

wait winget has a gui??

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:31 AM

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it's not just for winget

opaque sigil Jul 14, 2025, 12:31 AM

#

3rd party

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:31 AM

#

it does like every pkg manager

#

https://marticliment.com/unigetui/

UniGetUI - Martí Climent

UniGetUI: A better UI for your package managers. Install, update remove and manage any software you want to with UniGetUI

#

3rd party tho

desert plaza Jul 14, 2025, 12:32 AM

#

NeurOhISee

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:32 AM

#

but it's nice because i get winget, scoop, choco, npm, pip, cargo, vcpkg, .net, and powershell updates thru it

#

if desired

desert plaza Jul 14, 2025, 12:35 AM

#

neuroReading package manager manager to manage your package managers

#

mhm ok

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:35 AM

#

it's just package managers

#

all the way down

#

that and various performance managers

#

monitors*

#

i think rn i have

#

atop

#

btop

#

htop

#

nvtop

#

nvitop

#

iotop

desert plaza Jul 14, 2025, 12:36 AM

#

HOLY TOPS

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:37 AM

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still 'memberin

#

those just the ones with top and im sure ive missed

#

netstat

opaque sigil Jul 14, 2025, 12:37 AM

#

way too many

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:37 AM

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iostat

#

glances

#

iftop

opaque sigil Jul 14, 2025, 12:37 AM

#

thankfully btop and maybe nvtop are the only ones one realistically ever needs

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:38 AM

#

nmon

#

vtop

#

bashtop

#

gtop

#

bptyop

#

way

#

wait

#

bpytop*

#

which is just btop of course

#

but instead of btop++ it says bpytop

#

bashtop -> bpytop -> current btop++

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 12:40 AM

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those are all car sounds my guy

#

you described the sound a car makes as it crashes of a clif

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:40 AM

#

Noted

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:44 AM

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opaque sigil thankfully btop and maybe nvtop are the only ones one realistically ever needs

boutta install gvtop just for u

#

and bottom

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 12:46 AM

#

bottom vedalHUH

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:50 AM

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btm hehe

#

https://github.com/ClementTsang/bottom

#

i am crafting the ultimate monitoring .sh

#

open tmux to 40 sessions each with a different flavour of sysmon

opaque wharf Jul 14, 2025, 12:57 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/but-why-ryan-reynolds-gif-11562415

Tenor

fast pagoda Jul 14, 2025, 12:58 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/thanks-infinity-gauntlet-power-thanos-gif-15000377

Tenor

#

once i've installed every available one

#

i'll finally be able to see about as much info as one(1) grafana dashboard

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 2:30 AM

#

browser extension that replaces all instances of [consonant] [vowel] with [consonant] y [vowel]

#

general-network -> gyenyeryal-nyetwyork
amazing

opaque wharf Jul 14, 2025, 2:37 AM

#

Will it consider words like university?

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 2:51 AM

#

opaque wharf Will it consider words like university?

no

#

university -> unyivyersyity

#

enub

opaque wharf Jul 14, 2025, 2:52 AM

#

That's just someone with thick russian accent ngl

small anvil Jul 14, 2025, 3:52 AM

#

Hello neruosama enjoyers... heres a little project I am working on

If there's anyone out there with the same interests as me (virtual machines for programming languages, creating personal programming languages) pls let me know what I can do better

I am in the early stages of creating a VM for this language I am really passionate about, all and any criticism/questions is encouraged if you're interested

📎 vm_entry.cpp

#

heres a little extract of what im planning to compile later down the line (this is a rough draft of what its supposed to look like, eventually i will get things smoothed out)

small anvil Jul 14, 2025, 3:56 AM

#

small anvil heres a little extract of what im *planning* to compile later down the line (thi...

its supposed to be a mix of a bunch of a languages but if you guys have any ideas of how i could do certain things that would be much appreciated ^-^

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 4:33 AM

#

uuuuh

#

they keep coming

#

@real sierra @rare bridge

#

@open copper @cobalt vessel

#

thanks

#

okp

raw trout Jul 14, 2025, 4:34 AM

#

pepeok

#

You guys have been on it to clean up the spam

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 4:35 AM

#

i do wonder why there is so much spam

raw trout Jul 14, 2025, 4:37 AM

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I forg but don't we have a rule acceptance thingy when you first join? Unless the spam accounts aren't fully automated

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 4:37 AM

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poor random accounts bwaa

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 4:38 AM

#

bwaa

#

bwaadow

#

if i ever get hacked shoot me on sight

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 4:39 AM

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i will

#

enub

raw trout Jul 14, 2025, 4:39 AM

#

Maybe we need an auth method to verify if you really came back with another account after getting shot lol

"What plane did you recently fly on?"

glass flower Jul 14, 2025, 4:40 AM

#

Scared getting my discord hacked is like one of the most scary things that can happen to me

raw trout Jul 14, 2025, 4:40 AM

#

yup

#

Probs get phished through an email or click on a funky link like the gullible person I am 😅

#

Gonna head to bed gn

#

tutelBedge

#

Hopefully tomorrow is another day I can learn to do cool things

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 4:48 AM

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raw trout Maybe we need an auth method to verify if you really came back with another acco...

the shitty one

#

i had a socket to charge my phone to lisbon

#

but to dubrovnik i didnt bwaadow

#

boeing 737 sucks

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 4:50 AM

#

sage crag i will

no hesitation

#

konii you dont even have mod powers

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 4:55 AM

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we were talking about moderation?

#

enub

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 4:55 AM

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you're british, you dont have a gun

#

i on the other hand do have a gun neuroPogHD

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or well, acces to one

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 4:56 AM

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i have small pebbles for throwing

#

close enough

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 4:57 AM

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i have a 1870 hunting rile from someplace south

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NeuroBounce this is not a threat

amber fractal Jul 14, 2025, 5:29 AM

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Double sided gun, as I know you can't wield that without issues.

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:29 AM

#

i never tried to use it so idk

#

idk why but this function only works if i put it in the .hpp

#

ill just leave it there then ig

#

ok goodnight

#

8am so thats not completely true but you know

stark needle Jul 14, 2025, 6:30 AM

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niuh

#

Company bonus

uneven pulsar Jul 14, 2025, 6:42 AM

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chat i think

#

i think i'm gonna use vedal plush as a pair progrubber duck

jagged turtle Jul 14, 2025, 6:59 AM

#

olive sable i do wonder why there is so much spam

why is there spam in #programming lmao

#

would've thought it would only be in like gn or nn or smth

amber fractal Jul 14, 2025, 7:08 AM

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Yeah, I saw spam necro pings last week. Strange how that turns out

opaque sigil Jul 14, 2025, 7:14 AM

#

Doesn't help that this is the second highest publicly available channel in the list

opaque wharf Jul 14, 2025, 7:18 AM

#

opaque sigil Doesn't help that this is the second highest publicly available channel in the l...

What list?

stark needle Jul 14, 2025, 7:47 AM

#

Hey guys I'm a spammer!1!!1 download my free app "Eat Lilac" to literally eat Lilac for breakfast thumbs_up use the download link below at www.eatlilacforbreakfast.com for the price of 179.99$. YES ✅‼️

I hope you consider eating Lilac for breakfast soon!!

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 7:48 AM

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i dont eat breakfast sorry

#

maybe lunch

opaque wharf Jul 14, 2025, 7:50 AM

#

stark needle Hey guys I'm a spammer!1!!1 download my free app "Eat Lilac" to literally eat Li...

Such a shame. I thought you buy the domain just for the lolz

molten geyser Jul 14, 2025, 8:22 AM

#

i'm new here, may i ask what code language you guys use the most here?

glass flower Jul 14, 2025, 8:34 AM

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Whatever is needed to get it done YES from python,lua,js,gdscript to c#,c++,rust or whatever

lament igloo Jul 14, 2025, 8:35 AM

#

?????????

uneven pulsar Jul 14, 2025, 8:40 AM

#

let it out

amber fractal Jul 14, 2025, 8:41 AM

#

It's trying to escape neuroMonkaOMEGA

dry charm Jul 14, 2025, 8:47 AM

#

lament igloo ?????????

Fun fact, you can actually tell him to flash things

opaque wharf Jul 14, 2025, 8:48 AM

#

Did they not sandbox the JS code generation?

wet oyster Jul 14, 2025, 8:48 AM

#

Chatgpt, flash arch linux on my usb
NO NO NOT DISK C-

uneven pulsar Jul 14, 2025, 8:49 AM

#

"chatgpt brick my phone"
"chatgpt unbrick my phone"

#

oh

dry charm Jul 14, 2025, 8:50 AM

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I cannot make it rn

#

sadding

midnight sigil Jul 14, 2025, 9:04 AM

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neuroLookDown I wonder what the previous user of this disk did

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 9:06 AM

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thats an average of 3.5 days of uptime

#

they probably rebooted the pc every now and then but kept it on at night

midnight sigil Jul 14, 2025, 9:08 AM

#

NeurOhISee

dry charm Jul 14, 2025, 9:09 AM

#

or were used in a homelab

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 9:11 AM

#

that would probably be more than 3.5 days

dry charm Jul 14, 2025, 9:11 AM

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wtf

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 9:12 AM

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get on my level (misinfo)

dry charm Jul 14, 2025, 9:12 AM

#

okay, this is much better
Top is poweron hours, bottom is cycling

dry charm Jul 14, 2025, 9:13 AM

#

dry charm wtf

what I aboslutely cannot comprehend, is that the NVMe SSD that is being currently booted

#

how does it only have 36 power on hours

#

does NVMe count it very differently?

dry charm Jul 14, 2025, 9:15 AM

#

tender river get on my level (misinfo)

is using work server cheating? mmLol

#

found wrose

noble zodiac Jul 14, 2025, 9:21 AM

#

the cries of the server are deafening

half sand Jul 14, 2025, 9:30 AM

#

dead chat

unreal coral Jul 14, 2025, 9:41 AM

#

https://youtu.be/si8DUlhiLlg?si=f5NFsBjcKMWIbO1G

#

This would be smth i'd see neuro doing 😂

#

Imagine if neuro could actually email people .-.

#

Too dangerous propably but still

stark needle Jul 14, 2025, 10:26 AM

#

I love chatgpt!!!!1!1!1!

#

Parasocial relationships with ai anime girl custom gpt my beloved!!!!!!

trim valve Jul 14, 2025, 10:27 AM

#

parasocial relationships with ai anime girls?

#

in this discord server?

stark needle Jul 14, 2025, 10:28 AM

#

trim valve in this discord server?

Yessssss

#

MEOW

trim valve Jul 14, 2025, 10:28 AM

#

neuroShocked

rare bramble Jul 14, 2025, 10:28 AM

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I would never be parasocial to gpt, ew, wtf

#

im loyal to nwero

noble zodiac Jul 14, 2025, 10:29 AM

#

all my homies love chatgpt induced psychosis

trim valve Jul 14, 2025, 10:29 AM

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I will never understand why this pc has such even reads and writes

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 11:09 AM

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clearly it writes the data back on every read and reads it back on every write

jagged turtle Jul 14, 2025, 12:27 PM

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real

trim valve Jul 14, 2025, 1:14 PM

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how did I not notice this great quote

worldly plank Jul 14, 2025, 2:56 PM

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unreal coral https://youtu.be/si8DUlhiLlg?si=f5NFsBjcKMWIbO1G

Would you say the Twins did worse or better with the McNeuro's? (Pretend this discussion is not taking place in a server where answering "worse" could earn you a personal lifetime ban from the owners themselves)

graceful wharf Jul 14, 2025, 3:13 PM

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can someone tell me how does neuros karaoke work like how is she able to sing the smae way as they do in the songs does neuro have a ai for rythem or something?

acoustic trellis Jul 14, 2025, 3:26 PM

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Hey, when it comes to large language models, is the GB just the storage size, or the amount of ram it uses?

cosmic sphinx Jul 14, 2025, 3:26 PM

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acoustic trellis Hey, when it comes to large language models, is the GB just the storage size, or...

im sure there are separate numbers in documentation for each model, for storage on your disk and amount of VRAM it'd use

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but let the experts answer that 1

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i've barely worked with LM studio

acoustic trellis Jul 14, 2025, 3:27 PM

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What if it has the GB amount in the name

cosmic sphinx Jul 14, 2025, 3:27 PM

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it means 'gigabytes'

acoustic trellis Jul 14, 2025, 3:27 PM

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And that’s it

cosmic sphinx Jul 14, 2025, 3:27 PM

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lol

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can u send a link if its an open model

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on hf

acoustic trellis Jul 14, 2025, 3:28 PM

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It’s not

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It would be from Ollma or somthing

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And the LLM had diff versions with different GB numbers

cosmic sphinx Jul 14, 2025, 3:29 PM

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most likely its the VRAM capacity then

acoustic trellis Jul 14, 2025, 3:29 PM

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I see

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So if I have 24 Vram then a 32 gb model is out of the e question

cosmic sphinx Jul 14, 2025, 3:30 PM

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not really, it could still run partially on ur gpu

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the rest of the vram would be taken from ur main RAM, but it will run slower

acoustic trellis Jul 14, 2025, 3:31 PM

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Does a bigger vram req make it better?

cosmic sphinx Jul 14, 2025, 3:31 PM

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the bigger the model, the better it is

acoustic trellis Jul 14, 2025, 3:32 PM

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And if it also lists a number and billion or B after it what does that mean

rough bloom Jul 14, 2025, 3:32 PM

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acoustic trellis Hey, when it comes to large language models, is the GB just the storage size, or...

depends on which number it is
LLMs usually have the number of parameters in the name, for example Qwen3-8B has 8 billion parameters
those 8 billion parameters may be stored with a varying amount of bits, the most common and "default" dtype is bf16 meaning 16 bits / 2 bytes per parameter, so it would need 16 GB of storage for the model
models can also be quantized to need fewer bits per parameter, like 6 bits per parameter, in which case it would be ~6 GB large

this model storage size applies to both on-disk and in VRAM, but to actually run the model additional information needs to be stored in VRAM which inflates the requirements there a bit depending on the model architecture and what you're doing with it

acoustic trellis Jul 14, 2025, 3:33 PM

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Tyvm

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 3:33 PM

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im a very economical model that can be run in as little as 2kb of vram

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newero

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 3:34 PM

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what if i want to run you on my flipper zero

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it doesnt have vram

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 3:35 PM

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tender river what if i want to run you on my flipper zero

im not for hire for birthday parties or concerts

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enub

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 3:35 PM

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thats okay i dont plan on holding either

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 3:36 PM

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tender river it doesnt have vram

buy a second flipper zero and call it vram

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 3:36 PM

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i have an esp32 extension board

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oh right i bought you choco will cranberry strawberry pistachio 72% suffice

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 3:46 PM

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tender river oh right i bought you choco will cranberry strawberry pistachio 72% suffice

yesh

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 3:46 PM

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sage crag yesh

it looks like this

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 3:46 PM

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fancy

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 3:46 PM

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pinephone camera couldnt even pick up the text so i had to take it on my laptop neurOMEGALUL

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 3:47 PM

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mobile technology is amazing

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enub

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 4:01 PM

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it would probably be better if i could use the camera app made specifically for pinephone (megapixels)

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but i cant because gtk4 recently deprecated gles2

acoustic trellis Jul 14, 2025, 4:02 PM

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rough bloom depends on which number it is LLMs usually have the number of parameters in the ...

Oh one more quick question when using an llm if you have both a dedicated and integrated gpu does it combine the VRAM of both, just use the dedicated gpu, or just use the stronger of the two gpu?

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 4:02 PM

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it will not combine anything

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unless you reconfigure it it will usually just use the dgpu

rough bloom Jul 14, 2025, 4:03 PM

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acoustic trellis Oh one more quick question when using an llm if you have both a dedicated and in...

depends on how you run the model
usually you use only the dGPU and offload some layers to the CPU if that doesn't have enough VRAM

acoustic trellis Jul 14, 2025, 4:03 PM

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So I just bought a dgpu weaker than my igpu is that bad?

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Prior my old dgpu did not function

rough bloom Jul 14, 2025, 4:05 PM

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acoustic trellis So I just bought a dgpu weaker than my igpu is that bad?

it should be fine as long as it has enough VRAM, unless that VRAM is somehow slower than your system RAM

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though obviously having two bad GPUs is just not ideal kek

acoustic trellis Jul 14, 2025, 4:05 PM

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Well I think the system is better

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I think it is a ryzen 7000 series and my new dgpu is a rx 6600

acoustic trellis Jul 14, 2025, 4:07 PM

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rough bloom though obviously having two bad GPUs is just not ideal <:kek:587871503169749003>

But is having a bad dgpu better than none?

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 4:07 PM

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i'm pretty sure rx6600 is gonna be better than your igpu

acoustic trellis Jul 14, 2025, 4:08 PM

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Only 8gb tho

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 4:08 PM

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"only"

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thats a lot of vram

acoustic trellis Jul 14, 2025, 4:08 PM

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Isn’t average ai gpu 20gb plus

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 4:09 PM

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sure, but if we're comparing your igpu and dgpu the dgpu is gonna win hands down

acoustic trellis Jul 14, 2025, 4:09 PM

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Even with less gb?

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 4:09 PM

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your igpu probably has like 512mb vram

acoustic trellis Jul 14, 2025, 4:10 PM

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Oh

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 4:10 PM

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i actually dont know how vram works with igpus

rough bloom Jul 14, 2025, 4:10 PM

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acoustic trellis Even with less gb?

other than just being able to fit the model in VRAM you also need a lot of memory bandwidth
VRAM has high bandwidth, system RAM generally does not
iGPUs use system RAM = slow

inner pike Jul 14, 2025, 4:10 PM

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tender river i actually dont know how vram works with igpus

igpus are awfull

acoustic trellis Jul 14, 2025, 4:10 PM

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True getting a dgpu double the loading speed of games

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Or more like 5 fold actually

opaque sigil Jul 14, 2025, 4:13 PM

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cuda-gdb won't let me hit any breakpoints 90% of the time, I'm gonna lose it neuroSCHIZO

serene briar Jul 14, 2025, 4:13 PM

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Anyone knows where can i apply for like some internship , im in 2nd year in college studying Ai/Ml

glass flower Jul 14, 2025, 4:17 PM

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graceful wharf can someone tell me how does neuros karaoke work like how is she able to sing th...

as far as i know its kinda how vocaloids work. she says the voice lines and then pb does the actual tuning to get it in line. its pre-recorded after all.
i might be wrong on the exact things but i think this is roughly how it works. there is no rhythm ai

cosmic sphinx Jul 14, 2025, 4:23 PM

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glass flower as far as i know its kinda how vocaloids work. she says the voice lines and then...

not exactly correct

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as far as ik
first, you need to extract the original voice track (separate it from music), pb does that
then, that is likely used as an input for neuro's singing AI model, along with the text transcription of the lyrics, output is her own version of singing that
since ML models arent 100% certain in outputs, it can and will likely sound a bit different from the original (other than the voice itself: some little quirks, tone, etc.)
then, the separated music is recombined with neuro's singing output, with some more tweaking from pb (sound effects that may have appeared in the original and such)

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ofc how the full pipeline works is confidential to vedal, pb and whoever else helps out with producing the karaoke/originals, but this is just my own guess

old totem Jul 14, 2025, 4:30 PM

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elp

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so im trying to make a scroll interation where it does
3 scroll 2x
2 scroll 1x
3 scroll 3x

but by the next iteration where it goes back to 3 scroll 2x it does 3 scroll 3x instead

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im assuming i did the math wrong but confuse

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neuroSadge

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 4:31 PM

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goodmorning #programming

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its only 6pm

glass flower Jul 14, 2025, 4:35 PM

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cosmic sphinx as far as ik first, you need to extract the original voice track (separate it fr...

tink maybe its a combination... but for example the fresh princess of bel-air is very different in rhythm and syllables that i don't think you can get away from extracting the original flow and just adjusting the lyrics...

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 4:50 PM

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in the procces of porting the collision to C++ i have also made it 10x more eficient

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neuroHypers

glass flower Jul 14, 2025, 4:50 PM

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old totem elp

i'll be honest.. i have absolutely 0 idea what you are even trying to do with this LUL

cosmic sphinx Jul 14, 2025, 4:51 PM

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glass flower <:tink:1160885779543900231> maybe its a combination... but for example the fresh...

solution: have somebody re-sing the song with the new lyrics, like monii did with LIFE and BOOM (yes, those are originals, but regardless thats the 2nd option how to get the voice track)

old totem Jul 14, 2025, 5:01 PM

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glass flower i'll be honest.. i have absolutely 0 idea what you are even trying to do with th...

im sorry neuroSob

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i'll debug it myself

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:02 PM

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elaborate on what you mean by

3 scroll 2x
2 scroll 1x
3 scroll 3x

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like a list of what it shoudl do?

raw trout Jul 14, 2025, 5:03 PM

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easy solution:
hire someone to manually scroll for you neuroGiggle

dry charm Jul 14, 2025, 5:05 PM

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olive sable elaborate on what you mean by ``` 3 scroll 2x 2 scroll 1x 3 scroll 3x ```

judging by the while loop, i interpret this as:

scroll twice 3 times
scroll once 2 times
scroll thrice 3 times

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:06 PM

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rn i see that globalcounter goes from 0 - infinity
count is just clobalcounter % 7
i goes from 1 to 3 each increase of count

and the mouseevent happens only if count and i arent 3

dry charm Jul 14, 2025, 5:06 PM

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olive sable rn i see that `globalcounter` goes from 0 - infinity `count` is just `clobalcoun...

nah, there is globalcounter > 24 break;

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:06 PM

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oh true

dry charm Jul 14, 2025, 5:07 PM

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so it executes the scroll_down 3 times

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:08 PM

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so basicly each scrolldown does
3 event
3 event
2 event
if im reading it correctly?

gritty dust Jul 14, 2025, 5:08 PM

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olive sable goodmorning <#1071784467036913664>

Morning nerd

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:08 PM

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gritty dust Morning nerd

dry charm Jul 14, 2025, 5:10 PM

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olive sable so basicly each scrolldown does `3 event` `3 event` `2 event` if im reading it c...

every scroll_down calls does 8 loop:
0-2: scroll 3 times
3: scroll 2 times
4-8: scroll 3 times

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:11 PM

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oh

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true

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i read it wrong

dry charm Jul 14, 2025, 5:11 PM

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it is an interesting way to implement this

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:12 PM

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idk if i would do it in a loop

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i myself would just hardcode it

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:14 PM

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dry charm every scroll_down calls does 8 loop: 0-2: scroll 3 times 3: scroll 2 times 4-8: ...

NeurOhISee but the goal is 3x2 2x1 and 3x3
so 4-8 is already one too many
0-2 should do a scroll less
and 3 should only do 1 scroll

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oh wait

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3 can stay at 2 ig

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unless they specifically want 3-4 to do 1 scroll each

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 5:22 PM

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@tender river

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mhm osu lazer on linux using lutris

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 5:22 PM

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thats cool but i wanted to install it using steam

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is there a tutorial

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 5:22 PM

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neuroDespair

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its called mcosu

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:23 PM

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step1

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 5:23 PM

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enub

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tender river Jul 14, 2025, 5:23 PM

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unsubscribe

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 5:23 PM

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this usage of videos is too funny neuroCry

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:24 PM

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neuroPogHD

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awa

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 5:24 PM

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awa

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 5:24 PM

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awa

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 5:24 PM

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neurojuice

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:25 PM

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i like how you just have to type "awa" and immediatly mkae others say it too

glass flower Jul 14, 2025, 5:25 PM

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sage crag mhm osu lazer on linux using lutris

uhhh doesn't osu! lazer just have a linux client?

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 5:25 PM

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yes

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 5:26 PM

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i have brain poisoning i just walk on the street and randomly get the urge to meow

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:26 PM

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understandable

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 5:26 PM

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:mhm:

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:26 PM

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neurodivergence hits hard ig

rough bloom Jul 14, 2025, 5:27 PM

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sage crag mhm osu lazer on linux using lutris

nERMd Lutris does not necessarily mean using Wine, it can just launch native Linux executables too

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:27 PM

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sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 5:28 PM

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cupsama

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:28 PM

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tender river Jul 14, 2025, 5:28 PM

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i remember trying to run skyrim using playonlinux in like 2016

glass flower Jul 14, 2025, 5:28 PM

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tink also you could just add osu! lazer as a external game to steam. and since it has a internal update it will be kept up to date everytime you launch it.

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:28 PM

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NeuroBounce

dry charm Jul 14, 2025, 5:31 PM

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wtf ous!lazer lutris?

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isn't osu!lazer in the repos?!

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wait osu!lazer is an app image

opaque sigil Jul 14, 2025, 5:42 PM

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opaque sigil cuda-gdb won't let me hit any breakpoints 90% of the time, I'm gonna lose it <a:...

decided to jump into arch on the other drive and it works perfectly fine there, thanks for nothing nvidia or microsoft idk who to blame neuroPogHD

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 5:42 PM

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trying to figure out references for erf neuroDespair

nocturne olive Jul 14, 2025, 5:43 PM

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Whar is the silliness of the day in #programming?

formal quartz Jul 14, 2025, 5:44 PM

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neuroDeadge gonna have to teamview to another pc to push a commit i forgot to push, so i can pull it on my current machine

tender river Jul 14, 2025, 5:44 PM

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i am a silliness but idk about the

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 5:44 PM

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nocturne olive Whar is the silliness of the day in <#1071784467036913664>?

porting my collision code

nocturne olive Jul 14, 2025, 5:45 PM

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welldoneneuro Silly

warped narwhal Jul 14, 2025, 6:13 PM

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dry charm found wrose

NeuroSip

sage crag Jul 14, 2025, 6:14 PM

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approx 8.5 hours per power cycle

warped narwhal Jul 14, 2025, 6:14 PM

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I'm honestly surprised it is so low, only 450 days, even though I've had the drive for the better part of 4 years

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 6:17 PM

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i have trimmed down this code a LOT

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the python one was enormous

nocturne olive Jul 14, 2025, 6:17 PM

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welldoneneuro

warped narwhal Jul 14, 2025, 6:17 PM

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bool recursion = 0 MONKA
(type coercion my beloved)

nocturne olive Jul 14, 2025, 6:17 PM

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Optimization

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 6:17 PM

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warped narwhal `bool recursion = 0` <:MONKA:1226590776008511498> (type coercion my beloved)

oops, typo

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it used to be an int

rough bloom Jul 14, 2025, 6:18 PM

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olive sable the python one was enormous

usually it's the other way around LULE
C++ being more verbose but faster and Python being concise but slow

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 6:18 PM

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the thing is, my python code was completely idiotic

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there is absolutly no need to work with lists

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also i was using a premade collision function that only returned the collision position, and then i calculated the distance manually.
but the collision function already calculated that internally

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and i also get the normal from that function now

rough bloom Jul 14, 2025, 6:21 PM

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neuroHypers always nice to make code more compact while also making it more readable (and in this case, faster)

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 6:23 PM

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i still have some things to fix about the boundinboxes themselves, cuz they're not in the correct locations

proper carbon Jul 14, 2025, 7:00 PM

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does anyone have recommendation for vision tools?
Dont really know too much about them, currently using llava to interpret images but im trying to see if theres any lower latency or higher quality options

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its just for a small ai project, it currently can view memes and stuff but it takes about 30 seconds on my 2070 and id like to try and reduce that

rough bloom Jul 14, 2025, 7:03 PM

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if it's running in such a resource constrained environment but you still need a language model then I think Moondream is probably the way to go
(never used Moondream myself but only heard good things about it)
https://github.com/vikhyat/moondream

GitHub

GitHub - vikhyat/moondream: tiny vision language model

tiny vision language model. Contribute to vikhyat/moondream development by creating an account on GitHub.

proper carbon Jul 14, 2025, 7:04 PM

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rough bloom if it's running in such a resource constrained environment but you still need a ...

looks promising, ill look into it thanks for the lead! neuroPray

uneven pulsar Jul 14, 2025, 7:29 PM

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So somebody really wrote a hole article to justify me about an old message i send about Neuro vram thing

old totem Jul 14, 2025, 8:08 PM

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is this right guys!!?!?

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this opencv shit is so annoying

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idk what here

rigid snow Jul 14, 2025, 8:13 PM

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rough bloom usually it's the other way around <:LULE:1302652876035985540> C++ being more ve...

a game in python: import game

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(“game” is bindings for a c++ library)

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 8:18 PM

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shader, has: layout (location = 1)
.cpp file, has: glGetUniformLocation()
std::cout << location;
NODDERS
we should get 1
.cpp file: 4294967295 3Head

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thats 2³²

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WHY????

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i never told you to do an integer underflow

opaque sigil Jul 14, 2025, 8:19 PM

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sounds like you used a u32 instead of an i32

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wait no

opaque sigil Jul 14, 2025, 8:20 PM

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old totem this opencv shit is so annoying

blame the people that came up with c 50 years ago

olive sable Jul 14, 2025, 8:20 PM

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im using GLuint rn

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i guess i need to use GLint?

opaque sigil Jul 14, 2025, 8:21 PM

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worth a try

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i'm probably talking bs tho