programming

[nocturne olive]

Why are you on PCIe 1.1?

[olive sable]

Yes

True

Fuck

[bright scaffold]

This is a specific of the video card

The problem is that its x1

[nocturne olive]

What kind of GPU are you on to have PCie 1.1?

[olive sable]

snd even then its still worng cuz i want calling hte function

[bright scaffold]

p106-100

[olive sable]

i have fries yay

[nocturne olive]

Oh, it's a mining GPU, that explains it
It's specifically designed for low-bandwidth PCIe

[bright scaffold]

But it should work at least x4 or x8

[nocturne olive]

Recommendation: get a gaming GPU if you want to game

[bright scaffold]

But i get only x1

[nocturne olive]

Probably a driver thing

[bright scaffold]

I dont have enough money

[bright scaffold]

Its on Windows and on Linux too

[nocturne olive]

Gaming GPUs aren't expensive if you go on the old low end

10€ for a 1650

You can get those dirt-cheap and they should be better than a mining GPU

[bright scaffold]

I can buy it only for ~65-75$

[nocturne olive]

Used?

What's wrong with your used market

[bright scaffold]

Yes

[nocturne olive]

How very strange

[bright scaffold]

Yea...

I bought a p106-100 for ~10-20$

And its a low price...

[nocturne olive]

I would not recommend getting a mining GPU for gaming because of just how bad it is

[bright scaffold]

ik

But i dont have 1650 for 10€

[nocturne olive]

Mining GPUs are only ever designed to be connected to the PC in mass with a tiny bit of bandwidth to then mine crypto for the rest of their life

[bright scaffold]

[rough bloom]

is it just plugged into an x1 slot?
not all physical x16 slots are wired for all 16 lanes, you can have a x16 slot that only has 1 lane available

[nocturne olive]

True
Like I believe the slot my 3090 is in is wired for x4, though not 100% sure on that

[rough bloom]

the P106 specifically doesn't seem to have any models with only one lane, so assuming your graphics card isn't defective it can only really be an issue with the motherboard

[bright scaffold]

How

I have only x16 and two x1 pci-e ports (i think)

[rough bloom]

the slot closest to the CPU is usually x16 or at least x8, so if the card is in that slot it should be fine

[bright scaffold]

gpu is there

[rough bloom]

[bright scaffold]

I can use this gpu but as I said it has only x1 instead of at least x4

[rough bloom]

my only other idea is playing with BIOS settings for that slot and seeing if it helps
it could be that your motherboard just doesn't support PCIe 1 well, I wouldn't be surprised since nothing really uses a PCIe version that old

[bright scaffold]

Maybe... But I cant see anything in the bios that might help me...

[rough bloom]

yeah, there really shouldn't be much to configure
it's supposed to automatically negotiate the best link possible after all
usually the only thing the BIOS allows you to do is limit the PCIe version, but that doesn't really help here

[bright scaffold]

Also another strange thing with my pc... My ryzen 2200g shows 3.0 x16 instead of x8

[rough bloom]

it's a CPU that doesn't even have 16 lanes available externally

[bright scaffold]

i know...

[nocturne olive]

No wonder the link is kinda bad then

[opaque sigil]

any other pcie devices in the system?

[rough bloom]

nah, there should still be an x8 link
x1 is odd

[bright scaffold]

pcie adapter for wifi but it dont have impact

[bright scaffold]

I checked it only on Windows before...

On Linux it has x16 to...

wtf

[rough bloom]

looks like it has 16 lanes allocated to the iGPU, so it's probably that

[bright scaffold]

Why

[bright scaffold]

But can i do something?

[rough bloom]

about the x16 allocation to the iGPU? no, I don't think so

[opaque sigil]

can you not disable the igpu in the bios usually?

for the APUs

could be wrong

[warped narwhal]

yes, but the pcie lanes are hardwired so it won't free them up

[opaque sigil]

might be good enough

[rough bloom]

AFAIK the lanes physically are not connected to the slot, the CPU doesn't have the ability to switch them away from the iGPU

[rough bloom]

true, could still give it a shot

assuming the system is still accessible without a display

[bright scaffold]

i cant

[opaque sigil]

if the igpu is the one hogging all lanes then it'd make sense the gpu gets the short end of the stick and gets set to x1

welp

[bright scaffold]

gpu doesnt have video ports

[opaque sigil]

oh right

you have a mining card

[bright scaffold]

And then ill dont get image

[opaque sigil]

does it even come with any useful drivers, i know nvidia likes to not implement anything graphics related on the newer ones

(could check with gpu-z on windows for example, idk about linux)

[bright scaffold]

It works with default driver on linux and with patched on windows

[sage crag]

awa

[opaque sigil]

hmm i see

well

[rough bloom]

waw

[bright scaffold]

But i have problem in linux and in windows

[opaque sigil]

if you ruled out the wifi card already and there's no way to disable the igpu idk what options you have

[bright scaffold]

wifi card dont have any impact

i tried it already

[warped narwhal]

shouldn't the wifi card be using the slots that are connected through the chipset anyway?

[opaque sigil]

should yeah but you never know

computers are evil they cannot be trusted

[warped narwhal]

there should always be at least 4 lanes coming off of the cpu to one of the slots, so I'd get your motherboards block diagram to check

[warped narwhal]

what cpu do you have, and what motherboard? if it is newer, your iGPU might be more powerful than that card anyway

[bright scaffold]

what block diagram

[bright scaffold]

Ryzen 2200g and asus prime b450m-k 2

[warped narwhal]

a motherboards block diagram shows which pcie lanes go where

[bright scaffold]

Im eating rn, u can try to check it without me a while

[rough bloom]

no block diagram, but

[bright scaffold]

[warped narwhal]

try plugging the card into the 16x slot, your motherboard should give it x8 with that cpu

[rough bloom]

so yeah, x8 slot
-# anything else would be insane anyway

[bright scaffold]

its already in the x16 slot

[bright scaffold]

And why do i have x16 on the igpu and x1 on the gpu?

[rough bloom]

x16 iGPU is normal, those don't count into this because they're internal to the CPU and can't be accessed through the expansion slots
why the P106 only gets one lane instead of 8 is still a mystery

[tender river]

awa

[hollow isle]

Yo question, in a technical standpoint is what neuro did here in 4: 05 an average thing that AI's are capable of?

https://youtu.be/3-5HkUSFdgg?si=8JZy5zHC1Nag3kGC

Reply to anny, drop that topic then continue the convo with vedal? As far as I'm aware, when her tts starts and the subtitles appear, she already finished generating her response before everything she's supposed to say appears right?

Is her actions within the bounds of "making the most likely responde?"

[opaque wharf]

Now chay is also awawa'ing

[nocturne olive]

She's an LLM, it has to be

[hollow isle]

Why does the "It has to be" sound so desperate lmao

[nocturne olive]

That's outside what I know

[hollow isle]

Is there actually something about it that's would sound fantastical if it isn't explained by way of "she's just making the most likely response"

[nocturne olive]

I'm more of an SVS person than an LLM person

[scarlet arch]

I figured you math nerds may enjoy this.
https://youtu.be/dtjb2OhEQcU

It's so pretty

[hollow isle]

If anyone else here is good about this sort of thing please lend me your power! 🙏

[sick owl]

Hey guys, wouldn't it be so funny if you gave us your entire source code haha that would be crazy right, I'd be so mad lol 🤣😂🤣😂🥺👉👈

(not my screenshot btw, I didn't heart this)

[desert wave]

"entire source code file" move over monorepo, now we monofile

[rough bloom]

not exactly a new idea
https://gitingest.com/

[opaque sigil]

sqlite.c my beloved

[minor crag]

Wait crap

Wrong server

[olive sable]

haha

awa

[scarlet arch]

What happened

[olive sable]

i wasnt looking so idk

[noble zodiac]

sqlite gang rise up

[olive sable]

no

stay in your hole please

[minor crag]

I 100% didn't just post the architecture for my ai

[scarlet arch]

We sadly use it at work but everyone wants to get rid of it

[opaque sigil]

wdym sadly

[scarlet arch]

Happens to the best of us

[scarlet arch]

It doesn't scale right

[noble zodiac]

next you gonna tell me that you are not into horse girl racing

[minor crag]

I doubt that happens to other people

[noble zodiac]

smh

[scarlet arch]

Is a joke

[minor crag]

Ohh (I don't get it)

[olive sable]

i swear this is like a simulation or smthn.
why is everyone suddendly talking about horsegirl racing?

@regal mauve i blame you

[scarlet arch]

You see. Someone does something that is very uncommon, and by saying "happens to the best of us" you invert the assumption, thus making it funny

[amber fractal]

Neuron activation

[noble zodiac]

the question is why dont you as well

[opaque sigil]

You should try it

[scarlet arch]

Because of that new game

[minor crag]

That makes no sence

[rough bloom]

looks fun

[olive sable]

cuz im busy setting up pirates of the caribean movie for my brother and his gf

[scarlet arch]

You see, by explaining the joke, it became unfunny

[hollow isle]

Erm can anyone here share their thoughts?

[scarlet arch]

I'm done with this bit

[olive sable]

as long as they're legal and follow the rules

[olive sable]

idk what you're talking about,. im prob out of the loop cuz my vacation

[scarlet arch]

I don't even know how to spell it. New horse girl racing gacha game

[opaque sigil]

umamusume

[scarlet arch]

Hana tried playing it but was stuck in 20 min of tutorial, and once over she had no fucking clue what to do

Just wanted that one girl called Vodka cause alcohol

It certainly was one stream of a time

I put her in the background while I worked on that new ant rain system. Kinda helped

[noble zodiac]

the horse lore goes crazy

[rough bloom]

Is her actions within the bounds of "making the most likely responde?"
yes, very normal
usually models are trained for conversations with only one person because they primarily function as assistants/chatbots, but that's an arbitrary limitation, it's nothing inherent to the architecture

[olive sable]

After some bugfixing i got the tv to play the files

I have a lot of shit i need to set up here still

[hollow isle]

Thx for the answer. So on the technical side of things can you explain how it was possible?

No pressure

[hoary lion]

vectorize my code

[ruby plover]

anyone know how i can make tabs smaller on firefox? moved from chrome and usually have a tonne of tabs open but on firefox you need to scroll

or just have them all showing at once

[rough bloom]

I don't think there's anything too fancy going on there.
It's either one response to both Anny and Vedal, or it's two separate responses that just didn't have the subtitles cleared inbetween.
In the first case especially it would be helpful for Neuro to have training data with similar scenarios, but chances are something like that would be present anyway because she has to respond to chat & participate in collabs.

[stray dragon]

vivaldi has tab stacks if you normally use a lot of tabs
i don't think firefox has many good options, although i haven't really checked

you might have workspaces and the accordion style tab groups

and there's always opening another window of firefox

[opaque sigil]

Vertical tabs would be an option maybe if you have a ton of them

[ruby plover]

never heard of vivaldi before but yh firefox isnt too bad so far just trying tog et it similar to chrome since ive used it for decades. it has some tab group stuff which isnt bad ill just have to get used to it if theres no better option

yh ive been trying the vertical tabs atm

[tender river]

you can use vertical tabs, multiple windows, there are some extensions i think

[ruby plover]

i reduced the tabs size to 50 from 100 or whatever it was which helped a lot but it doesnt go lower rip

[tender river]

it was a problem for me too when i switched but i just got used to it

[hollow isle]

I think it's just one response. When neuro is actually ending a response I've observed the subtitles disappear quickly. Like in 1 second. But when the tts is supposed to continue, it doesn't.

I'm assuming that despite the tts not yey completing what she's supposed to say, until the subtitles fully disappeared, her full response is already generated. Once the subtitles disappear she can't actually change what she's supposed to say or add anything to it

[stray dragon]

would highly recommend vivaldi, it's so good for big tab count

i can't go back anymore

[opaque sigil]

You might be able to do some css shenanigans but idk if it applies here

[ruby plover]

yeah ill prob have to do that

[opaque sigil]

My brother in Christ

[ruby plover]

idk ive never even heard of it lol. ill check it out if this annoys me too much tho

yh thats wild lmao. i normally have like 150 tabs

good time to learn to use less ig

[stray dragon]

customizable chromium-based browser with a bunch of features

[ruby plover]

hmm ill add it to my list to try after messing with firefox a bit more

[opaque sigil]

So what's the goal, make the minimum width smaller?

[ruby plover]

ideally yeah

so i can see all 100 or so tabs at once like on chrome

[opaque sigil]

I feel like that should be possible via a chrome/userChrome.css in the profile though I'm currently in bed so can't really test it

Could be worth looking into

[warped narwhal]

I never understood why people have thousands of tabs open, the pages aren't even loaded, so they do nothing but take up space

[stray dragon]

i don't like to search for stuff

[warped narwhal]

well don't you need to search for it in the tab bar?

[stray dragon]

no

[tender river]

note that firefox has tab search

[ruby plover]

idk anything about chrome/userChrome.css so ill check it out thanks

[stray dragon]

i have them sorted

• tab stacks are easy to go through

[ruby plover]

yh i just know where all my tabs are so i can click them easily usually

[stray dragon]

i hover over the stack with the tab i want, and then i click the tab in the menu that pops up

1 click

no keyboard used

[warped narwhal]

*search through.

You still need to navigate to them, which I'll argue makes you slower than if you just do ctrl+t plus typing 3 chars

[ruby plover]

yh been trying this out but not the same rip

[stray dragon]

it's not really a problem except for the research paper stacks

[opaque sigil]

firefox gives you the sometimes very convenient ability to target pretty much anything with css

i mainly use it to invert only the pdf pages by default

big fan

[stray dragon]

i did not know firefox had that feature

interesting

[opaque sigil]

there's userContent.css for websites and userChrome.css for the ui

[stark needle]

hi

[ruby plover]

idk if its same thing but i did browser.tabs.tabMinWidth to 50 which is the best solution so far

[opaque sigil]

does it not go lower than that?

[ruby plover]

nah 50 is the limit

[opaque sigil]

tabs go brrrr

[ruby plover]

thats what im after :v

chrome v firefox

[opaque sigil]

.tabbrowser-tab {
  min-width: 20px !important;
}

chrome/userChrome.css in whatever firefox profile you're running, can go to about:profiles and then open the root directory it'll take you there

[ruby plover]

i just found this lol was reading about it

[sage crag]

mrrp

[ruby plover]

have to set toolkit.legacyUserProfileCustomizations.stylesheets to true i assume

[stray dragon]

konii despawner

[tender river]

mewo

meow

[warped narwhal]

how are you gonna know what each of those individual tabs are?

[opaque sigil]

oh yeah

[ruby plover]

you get used to knowing where everything is i just used youtube as an example though normally i have a variety of stuff

[stray dragon]

with those? you don't, normally you separate a bunch of the same tabs with a "new tab" page

[tender river]

i figured out how to get rid of subtyping and use HM, happy

also i found a box

[opaque sigil]

a superbox by chance?

[tender river]

no but its pretty big

[warped narwhal]

I have 4 tabs open, and even then I can probably close two of them

[sage crag]

i despawn if i can walk more than 20 blocks in any direction and im outside of a 48 block radius of the player

[warped narwhal]

having hundreds of tabs open just doesn't make sense to me

[opaque sigil]

idk how people do it but hey

if it works for them

[sage crag]

i tend to open like 40 tabs when im researching things

[opaque sigil]

i have one window per monitor with maybe a dozen tabs at most open on each window

[tender river]

i uh... dont want to count my tabs

[sage crag]

but i close them all when im done because im responsible

[ruby plover]

ive always just used chrome with hundreds of tabs open and navigated them just fine idk, got used to it ig

[stray dragon]

there are extensions for it but they don't really scale up well to my tab count unfortunately

[ruby plover]

i deffo didnt start off like this though i usually only had 5 idk wtf happened

[tender river]

okay i think i have like 300 tabs

i gave up quickly

not counting that

[stray dragon]

that's where i was pre-vivaldi lol

[sage crag]

what if its actually 301 tabs

or 299 tabs

[tender river]

we will never know

[opaque sigil]

i remember i had a phase way back in the day when i would hoard tabs like crazy with onetab, was kinda fun

[sage crag]

the humble bookmark folders

[tender river]

bookmarks are ephemeral, tabs are forever

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

i think its meant to be the opposite, actually

[stray dragon]

bookmarks don't exist

[sage crag]

i could be a browser tab

[tender river]

your bookmarks won't be looking so permanent after i delete them

[sage crag]

not my

- yuri
- osu
- misc

how will i cope

[tender river]

my bookmarks are your playlist and random sites i accidentally ctrl+d'd

[sage crag]

[ruby plover]

not sure where i screwed up but

/* Shrink tabs to minimum size like Chrome */
.tabbrowser-tab {
min-width: 30px !important;
max-width: 200px !important;
}

didnt change anything

[tender river]

you have to enable it in about:config

[opaque sigil]

did you put it into the right file in the correct folder

[sage crag]

my most permanent data storage is actually copying URLs into a text doc in my home folder

[tender river]

not cloud synced?

[sage crag]

no

the cloud is made of water

[tender river]

my definition of cloud synced is "the server next door"

[sage crag]

cloud synced to my other computer 2 feet to the left

[tender river]

exactly

[ruby plover]

this is changing the setting to true correct?

[sage crag]

i bet you have a millenium of storage in the form of 10tb hard drives

[tender river]

not really i only have 6tb with a lot of redundancy

mostly bought it so i dont have to worry about it until one of the ssds fails

[sage crag]

6tb (60tb backup)

[tender river]

i have 0 backups

[stray dragon]

real

[sage crag]

i dont trust someone with 120gb of swap to make good storage decisions

[tender river]

my storage decisions are perfectly fine also the swap is 240gb

[sage crag]

i have 1, maybe 2 swap on a good day

[ruby plover]

toolkit.legacyUserProfileCustomizations.stylesheets is set to true. opened profile folder added chrome folder, added userChrome.css text file, added /* Shrink tabs to minimum size like Chrome */
.tabbrowser-tab {
min-width: 20px !important;
max-width: 200px !important;
}
to it and saved. reset firefox. did i miss anything?

[tender river]

my laptop's swap is 32gb is that better

[sage crag]

depends how much ram and storage you have

[tender river]

3tb storage

32gb ram

[opaque sigil]

hmmm that should do it

[sage crag]

reasonable but not enough swap to suspend session to swap

i need swap for my brain

[ruby plover]

hmm no idea then

[tender river]

i can arrange it

[sage crag]

how will you arrange it

[tender river]

trade secret

nda

[sage crag]

but im part of the trade

[tender river]

we're not in the business of wool trade

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

you went into the root directory right, not the local directory

[sage crag]

i need a 1tb optical hard drive slot installed in my cranium

[tender river]

IDE

[sage crag]

a bit too integrated

invasive development environment

[tender river]

imagine someone inserting an IDE slot in their head but its deprecated and everyone now uses SATA

[ruby plover]

where is this? i clicked openfolde ron profile folder

[sage crag]

maybe i should just some pcie slots instead

[ruby plover]

i know 0 about tech btw never done anything like this so itsprob what you said

[tender river]

get a few

[opaque sigil]

ignore that it's librewolf, it's the same on firefox

[sage crag]

then i can put a gpu in my brain as a coprocessor

not sure what use i would have for a gpu

[tender river]

you can connect a network card

[ruby plover]

wait nvm i typed open folder and clicked the first one but its wrong

[sage crag]

i dont wanna be uploaded to the internet

[opaque sigil]

oh did you click on the wrong profile

[ruby plover]

there we go that did it thanks

yeah

[opaque sigil]

[ruby plover]

yeah this is much nicer phew

i put it in the update folder instead

[tender river]

create an isolated LAN

[opaque sigil]

if you want you could also make it resize automatically on hover

idk if you would like that

[tender river]

IoT network style

[opaque sigil]

there's a lot you can do with css

[ruby plover]

idk when i hover and get the text for what the tab is its currently fine if thats what you mean

[sage crag]

actually i changed my mind because i could become the secondary main character of a scary story about a sentient vending machine

[ruby plover]

it highlights awkwardly but its wtvr

[opaque sigil]

i meant that when you hover over a given tab it sets the min-width to some other value, let's say idk 100

[tender river]

it could be worse you could connect a tv tuner

[opaque sigil]

idk how smoothly that'd work tbf

[ruby plover]

oh thats fine it never did that on chrome so im used to this

[opaque sigil]

i guess it's a lot nvm i don't like this idea

[olive sable]

game-jam started yay

[sage crag]

konii, not ai, trapped in your tv tuner

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

if i had a pcie slot in my brain i would get kidnapped by deepmind ninjas so they can put gemini in my brain

[tender river]

mine you for training data

doesnt sound pleasant

[sage crag]

repurpose my brain for cryptomining

[tender river]

0.0001 hashrate

[sage crag]

i wonder if it would be faster with a blank brain

[tender river]

bitcoin mining baby

[ruby plover]

yeah lol dont like it. tried changing to highlight with

/* Fix active tab highlight: remove misaligned shape and add bottom border */
.tab-background[selected="true"]::before,
.tab-background[selected="true"]::after {
display: none !important;
}

.tabbrowser-tab[selected="true"] .tab-background {
border-bottom: 2px solid #4a90e2 !important; /* choose your color */
background-color: unset !important;
}

but looks off too, not as bad though

[sage crag]

ethicality

[ruby plover]

im liking how much you can modify firefox already though compared to chrome

[sage crag]

who needs gpu when you have 🌟 🌠 neuroplastic medium~☆ 🌠 🌟

[tender river]

miku miku what it's like to be you

[sage crag]

probably very strange since the only miku that exists is our cultural perception of miku

[tender river]

oo ee oo

[sage crag]

ee oo ee

[opaque sigil]

there's a ton you can do

[ruby plover]

may the a.i overlords bless me with all the css i need

[sage crag]

nuro

[real sierra]

I love you all

programming channel

[ruby plover]

now that the tabs are so small the X button doesnt appear to close them. tried

/* Shrink tabs to minimum size */
.tabbrowser-tab {
min-width: 20px !important;
max-width: 200px !important;
}

/* Hide close buttons on inactive tabs */
.tabbrowser-tab:not([selected]) .tab-close-button {
display: none !important;
}

/* Force show close button on selected tab /
.tabbrowser-tab[selected] .tab-close-button {
display: flex !important;
visibility: visible !important;
opacity: 1 !important;
pointer-events: auto !important;
width: 16px !important; / ensure button has size /
height: 16px !important;
margin-inline-start: 4px !important; / spacing /
-moz-appearance: none !important; / override default styles */
}

and a few other variations but no luck, any ideas if its possible?

[tender river]

i forgot vulkan doesnt support recursion

finite stack

[real sierra]

Time to check on my screeps

[rare bridge]

what they be doing

[real sierra]

just like nasa code

[tender river]

nasa ready

🗣️ 🔥

[real sierra]

the E37N39 screeps are almost done the infrastructure projects

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

once everything is built, im hoping they'll start storing more energy

which will cause more extensions to be built

[tender river]

i wanted to ban recursion but can we also ban pointers

[trim valve]

can we ban programming

[real sierra]

arrays are pointers

do you want to ban arrays

[tender river]

C poisoned shiro....

[opaque sigil]

unrelated but i kinda feel like you'd enjoy floorp over base firefox

[opaque sigil]

must be put down

[real sierra]

do you want linked lists to die too

[opaque sigil]

actually yes

[tender river]

pointers + recursion

[real sierra]

wtf

[ruby plover]

another one ive literally never heard of. im quite enjoying firefox atm tbh i just need to learn to use less tabs

[real sierra]

but (doubly) linked lists make such efficient deques

[opaque sigil]

it's a fork of firefox with some extra customisation options

[tender river]

all that will remain:
macros
arithmetics
(maybe) conditional jumps

no stack

[ruby plover]

it can do more? damn

already finding out how much firefox can do

[opaque sigil]

tbf they just move more things you can do into the settings page

[tender river]

they're only efficient if you want to remove elements from the middle in a single threaded environment

[real sierra]

that's just assembly but you ripped out the function abstraction

[opaque sigil]

but they're also based on an lts release of firefox soooo

[tender river]

assembly has a stack

[real sierra]

what

the middle?

[ruby plover]

yeah im by no means good at this tech related stuff lol so i dont wanna mess with too many things, so far its been simple enough though. Learning to use less tabs will make firefox perfect atm

[opaque sigil]

use a ring buffer or sth for normal deques

[real sierra]

getting the first or last element is O(1) if you store a head/tail pointer

[tender river]

if you want a deque you just use a vector and remember a separate pointer to the real beginning

[real sierra]

then you reassign it to the first/last element's next/prev item

[tender river]

nobody cares about O, cache lines is where it's at

[opaque sigil]

some people unfortunately care

[real sierra]

you dare walk into #programming and say big O doesnt matter

[opaque sigil]

i wish they never invented the fibonacci heap

[tender river]

if the big O is so big i want it to 1v1 me

(i'd win)

[real sierra]

i dont care if the constant in front is more than the atoms in the observable universe if it's O(log n)

[tender river]

trivia time

shiro what is μ-types

[real sierra]

never learned

never needed

next question

[tender river]

next question why do you not know what μ-types are

[real sierra]

already answered

next question

[tender river]

Filtered.

ahem

[real sierra]

man this trivia is easy

[tender river]

ding ding ding

your results are in

you scored 0 out of 3

[real sierra]

🥱

[tender river]

i'll give you 0.2 pity points

[real sierra]

my points per character typed have been maximized

making me the trivia champion

[tender river]

correct answer is

very small tiny types

you can barely see them

[real sierra]

just call them types

the "small" part sounds like either a convention or arbitrary line anyway

its just made up

[tender river]

no they're very very tiny

[real sierra]

made up again

[tender river]

see you haven't even seen one because you haven't been paying attention

easy to miss

[real sierra]

an atom is just a state machine

[tender river]

everything is a state machine if you have enough states

[real sierra]

analog computing is fast because it parallelizes down to molecular scale

and i dont like it

it can even solve O(n^2) problems super fast

[rare bramble]

wait until we get to n types

[real sierra]

because it's just parallelized to the 3 bajillionth order

the coefficient is so tiny

[opaque sigil]

so we just need gpus with a quintillion cores

[tender river]

i don't want to roll out updates on a few billion atoms

[real sierra]

https://www.cs4fn.org/optimization/gettingthere.php

how can soap bubbles solve travelling salesman problem

its supposed to be slow

stupid parallel computing

[tender river]

can soap use SOAP

[rare bramble]

my base is starting to actually work properly

[real sierra]

go juho!

rust screeps will happen

[tender river]

erf screeps will happen

[real sierra]

i suggested hblang screeps and was told off...

[tender river]

doesnt make sense to add a js backend to a low level language

[real sierra]

i wanna write in it tho

[tender river]

it does run on the web but you'd have to make ecalls that run arbitrary js

[real sierra]

thats fine

[tender river]

which probably isnt too hard but

-#

[real sierra]

screeps are alive and well

time to go get borgar

[real sierra]

@cloudburst @rare bramble @samvanmaele hello screeps council how are your screeps

@rare bridge @olive sable

how did I ping fail

[olive sable]

hi that me

[rare bridge]

[gritty dust]

Smh

[rare bridge]

my screeps are doing well

[gritty dust]

What's screeps?

[olive sable]

whats up?

[olive sable]

game

[real sierra]

have you checked on your screeps today

[olive sable]

i dont have a screeps tower

[real sierra]

I know

[olive sable]

i need rcl3

[gritty dust]

Oo can I play screeps?

[olive sable]

so whats up?

[real sierra]

well what's your RCL sam

[olive sable]

https://screeps.com

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

im at rcl2

[real sierra]

my new room is on its way to RCL4

[olive sable]

they're doing their best

[real sierra]

extensions

[olive sable]

me exstensions have not had any code written to fill them lamo

im busy with the game-jam rn

[real sierra]

I'm going to bribe the game jam managers to cancel it

screeping time

[warped narwhal]

Is it screeps world I need, or screeps arena? and what is the difference between the two?

[olive sable]

the cheap one

world

[warped narwhal]

I will be there soon

[olive sable]

my opengl has decided it doesnt care about the std140 rules and is saying "fuck it we ball, you get an offset of 28"

they're supposed to be multiples of 16

something to do with floats and vec3's ig

[warped narwhal]

I thought it was just the start that is aligned to 16, and the rest was packed to save memory

[olive sable]

is it?

lemme read the docs

[warped narwhal]

cpu's like data to be aligned at a 16 byte boundary for performance reasons, but if you are uploading a whole buffer, then it shoudn't matter where the internal parts lie, as long as the buffer itself is aligned

[olive sable]

im pretty sure std140 is supposed to pack all of them to multiples of 16

manually adding padding makes it work, so i wonder why it wont work without padding

eh idk, imma sleep

[raw trout]

What are our weekend plans?

[olive sable]

game jamming

[amber fractal]

game jamming / interview prep

[faint sandal]

what the dog doin

[real sierra]

+1

@rare bridge private server status?

[rare bridge]

lemme just make a quick image and run it and see what happens

[real sierra]

[rare bridge]

okay so

to put it simply

the server screeps provides

just does not work

at all

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

[jagged turtle]

[olive sable]

does the guide in the github not work?

[rare bridge]

nope

doesn't work

[olive sable]

damn

[amber fractal]

python2

[olive sable]

ye...

python 2

[amber fractal]

an actual security risk

[olive sable]

if its only the parts you arent connecting to it should be fine..

maybe

perhaps

so what exactly wont work about it?

[nocturne olive]

I've never had an app that uses Python 2

[amber fractal]

print "bwaa"

[nocturne olive]

I wonder what makes Python 2 stuff incompatible with Python 3

[olive sable]

i can try setting one up later maybe

[sick owl]

https://tenor.com/view/aaronpaul-aaron-paul-cry-crying-gif-7621646

[sage crag]

open weight model coming when openai goes non-profit

[amber fractal]

closedAI taking forever to open up, false advertising smh.

[opaque wharf]

Steamcmd time

[sage crag]

the Open in OpenAI stands for Closed

[prime ridge]

back in the days of xrange

[nocturne olive]

Whar

[glass flower]

The community docker image one works. I have one setup for testing just a few settings you can tweak and adding your steam web api key and it works.

[hoary lion]

why do we use weightnorm

like bru

[opaque sigil]

The same reason you use any normalisation

Faster and/or more stable convergence

[hoary lion]

man idk

i hate that flax does not have weightnorm

[sage crag]

awawa
wawa

[hoary lion]

what does that mean

[sage crag]

[amber fractal]

yesh

[hoary lion]

I have no clue lol

but I must awa

[hollow yew]

[maiden geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/671211728968744980/1028258145157513216/togif-1.gif

[hollow yew]

yes im a beautiful sprout

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-neuro-sneeze-sneezing-evilsocute-elivsocute-gif-5972346260725813983

[hoary lion]

beautiful virtual grass that #programming members only touch

(except sam, he goes on to vacation too much)

[hollow yew]

yes please

touch me

[hoary lion]

woah chill

ts not what I expected from sprouts gng 🥀

[tender river]

Wahya
aaaa!!

[hoary lion]

oh

free 5090 ssh

should I flex to superbox

[hollow yew]

im just a sprout......

[rare bramble]

where is lil bro pathing to?

[glass flower]

he is on a mission don't question it

just make sure you don't accidentally path into my room.. you gonna make me waste like a bunch of energy for the defense units

[rare bramble]

they are choosing to do this route for some reason. but dw my troops shouldnt accidentally come to your room

[uneven pulsar]

sam altman doesn't know anything

he just asks his "unlocked version" of chatgpt that is fed openai business data what is happening next

and writes it down in a tweet

[tender river]

this is new for us
openai

[glass flower]

i have a similar issue with my remote miners... when a carries is in that hole where the O is. while the miner dies the new miner will try to go around. but that doesn't work so its just gonna get stuck in a infinite loop of going back in and out of the room until the carrier blocking the path dies

insanely rare.. but it did happen like twice already

[midnight sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtjb2OhEQcU

cool visuals

[opaque wharf]

Which one?

[glass flower]

https://github.com/screepers/screeps-launcher

[opaque wharf]

Ahhh, thanks

[rough bloom]

running the server directly also works, just requires an ancient environment (as the README says)
but yeah, the launcher is a convenient option

there's also this one which is containerized more properly
https://github.com/Jomik/screeps-server

[midnight sigil]

imagine we have a neurocord dedicated screeps server

and vedal made neuro play it

or vedal play it

[opaque wharf]

There is vscode integration for neuro, so it's not far off

[tender river]

(it is)

[opaque wharf]

But a stream where vedal just force neuro to code will be pretty boring I guess. If, however, it is a stream where vedal is coding WITH neuro, now that's something

[glass flower]

would definitely be interesting to see how he would handle screeps and his way of optimizing and adding features

[unkempt citrus]

could just make athread

[left solstice]

I ran a test to check if my connection is CGANTed or not. I am pretty sure it isn't but can you confirm whether or not it is?

[rough bloom]

the second hop is a public IP already, so yeah, no CGNAT I think

[left solstice]

Thanks

[raw trout]

good morn

opencv learnin' again

[real sierra]

@glass flower @opaque wharf

gm

[opaque wharf]

12hr of timezone difference is wild

[real sierra]

@rare bridge so I went to bed early last night

did the server up

[rare bridge]

nope, i've been having issues getting it working

[real sierra]

what kind

[rare bridge]

2025/07/12 12:13:50 screeps-launcher  ()
2025/07/12 12:13:50 Installing Node
2025/07/12 12:13:50 Downloading https://nodejs.org/dist/v12.22.12/node-v12.22.12-linux-x64.tar.gz...
2025/07/12 12:13:50   200 OK
2025/07/12 12:13:50   downloaded 0/23131523 bytes (0.00%)
2025/07/12 12:13:50 Download failed: open node-v12.22.12-linux-x64.tar.gz: permission denied
2025/07/12 12:13:50 node-v12.22.12-linux-x64.tar.gz
2025/07/12 12:13:50 node-v12.22.12-linux-x64
2025/07/12 12:13:50 rename deps/node-v12.22.12-linux-x64 deps/node: no such file or directory

refuses to install node

[tender river]

if you want i can host it i have spare resources on my server

[real sierra]

downloaded 0 bytes

[rare bridge]

nah, i have spare resources

it's not a resource issue

it's a node issue

[real sierra]

is that a dead download link

[tender river]

no it just permission denied meaning it tries to download to a read-only directory

[real sierra]

or do you need to sudo it or something dumb for it to have write perms

[tender river]

you have to give it write perms to wherever its attempting to download the file

[rare bridge]

how is the directory it's uploading to a readonly

i'll blame docker and just give it ownership of the folder

[tender river]

'

[olive sable]

i am alive and well

mostly

[rare bridge]

nice bind system docker

made a volume and it's fine now

[real sierra]

@olive sable we might be getting screeps server

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

unless it encounters government contract levels of delays and cost overruns

I had a dream about this discord server last night

[tender river]

dont worry it will be ready in 5-10 business days

[real sierra]

I don't remember anything from the dream except that my name was purple

[rare bridge]

that's what tipped you to it being a dream

we all know you perpetially have the birthday role which is pink

[real sierra]

I think in the dream I might have asked why my name wasn't pink

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

so you may be correct

[tender river]

??? how is this not purple

wikipedia agrees

shiro you might still be in a dream...

[real sierra]

I think it's a psychological effect because of dark mode but those look like two different colours

[opaque wharf]

What?

[real sierra]

maybe my name is closer to magenta than hot pink tho

[opaque wharf]

Oh god this will be the blue gold dress all over

[noble zodiac]

thats 100% purple wdym

[rough bloom]

I am using dark mode and they look like the same color to me

[tender river]

it does look lighter on light mode

still purple

[real sierra]

ok I'm on mobile and these are simply not the same colour

[tender river]

they are not the same color but they are close

[real sierra]

[tender river]

heres another purple

[real sierra]

do you want the exact colour hex for my role

I unfortunately know where to find it

[olive sable]

guys im still red-green colourblind. these are all basicly the same colour

[real sierra]

[rare bridge]

ip

51.195.42.51

port

21025

[real sierra]

https://colornames.org/color/cd2edb

that's my role colour

[noble zodiac]

#cd2edb is more blue than red. hence its more purple than pink

[real sierra]

maybe you're right

[noble zodiac]

you should change it to #ff00ff to be both

[real sierra]

wait

[noble zodiac]

fuchsia truly is the best color

[tender river]

its in between magenta and pink flamingo

[real sierra]

🦩

[olive sable]

am i supposed to see a diffrence here?

[tender river]

they are all pink-violet-ish but different shades

[noble zodiac]

heliotrope is a lovely color ngl

[olive sable]

sure

pink

[real sierra]

IM IN

[rare bridge]

there's apparently 4 bots

good luck fighting them ig

[real sierra]

?

the bots are gonna roll me

cloud are you gonna read the email config file

oh wiat

you probably disabled it

nvm

[rare bridge]

it'd need an email server

[tender river]

i might join if i get rich enough to afford screeps and also get erf in a usable state

[rare bridge]

can't be arsed

also my code pushing doesn't work here

[tender river]

mailservers are pain (source: i have one)

[rough bloom]

pretty sure that it needs a mod to even work, the server doesn't have the ability to send emails by default

[rare bridge]

gotta make everything manually

[tender river]

wouldnt it normally just call sendmail

[rough bloom]

https://github.com/ScreepsMods/screepsmod-auth

[rare bridge]

that's not what i'm looking for

[rough bloom]

you could make a mod that does it, but the server itself doesn't
it just doesn't provide any implementation for sending notifications

they have an example implementation, it's distributed together with the server, just not enabled
https://github.com/screeps/launcher/blob/master/init_dist/example-mods/notifications-mailer/notifications-mailer.js

[real sierra]

yeah wait

i dont seem to be able to modify my code locally

and have it sync with main server

[rare bridge]

yep, private server doesn't support it

[rough bloom]

I just sent the mod that enables support for it

-# the auth one, not the mailer one

[real sierra]

i see

[rare bridge]

mkay

[real sierra]

the auth is required to access the screeps api

which is what you use for the code pushing stuff

[rare bridge]

time to install random ass mods given to me by internet user onto a server

[real sierra]

woah woah dont diss open source software

otherwise 7000 linux power users will come preach to you

[rough bloom]

yeah, AFAIK the private server doesn't have a way of generating and distributing API tokens
so you need a way to login with username and password instead

[rare bridge]

the container does not have npm

i hope you aren't doing anything shiro

[real sierra]

nah

take your time getting it set up

[tender river]

shiro stop doing

[real sierra]

ok ok ill stop doing

[rare bridge]

this is fine

[real sierra]

[tender river]

node.js

[real sierra]

its fixed all good 👍

[tender river]

in a future version

[rough bloom]

surely the game server stuck on Nodejs 12 and Python 2 has a well-maintained, secure ecosystem around it

[tender river]

python2

[rough bloom]

it's fine it's in a container

[real sierra]

screeps devs took "if it aint broke dont fix it" too far

[tender river]

should've written the server in common lisp

[rare bridge]

all my code is gone

this server is a fuckling mess

[cobalt sigil]

do not update a software if it works

[real sierra]

on the main screeps server, my E37N39 screeps seem to be fighting a bit of an uphill battle

builders are in sisyphean wall upgrade hell

[glass flower]

my code isn't ready to start anew in a new server

i had my first invader

[real sierra]

it begins

i had 3 invasions last night

[glass flower]

my base spawned 2 guards and easily took him out

[real sierra]

what do i do when my storage is full

[silk badger]

delete system32

[real sierra]

in screeps*

[warped narwhal]

kill your screeps so that you save up some cpu? then use that to prepare for war

[real sierra]

i have plenty of cpu to spare

my bottleneck for spawning isnt energy at this point, it's how fast the spawner can spawn things

[warped narwhal]

can you aquire more spawners?

maybe by going to another room? (I don't know how the game works)

[real sierra]

not until i level up my room some more

[glass flower]

build a billion upgraders

thats what i do when i have too much energy

[real sierra]

valid option

[glass flower]

upgraders are one of the only ones that don't have a scaling limit. harvesters are most effective at 5 work parts. but upgraders can use any amount of parts and be more effective as a result

[real sierra]

they do have a scaling limit

[glass flower]

assuming you actually have enough energy in the end

[real sierra]

max creep parts is 50

[glass flower]

well.. but that seems like a general limit. i meant like work effectiveness

[real sierra]

then yeah

harvesters are limited by the availability of the source

[glass flower]

logistic bots also have a limit where you need to trade movement vs spawn time vs carry capacity

[real sierra]

not really

spawn time isnt a concern there

they live plenty long enough

[rare bridge]

there's a scaling limit at level 8

at level 8, a room controller can only accept like 15 upgradeControllers a tick

[glass flower]

right... forgot about that

unless you boost it with a mineral tho no?

[warped narwhal]

I might not be able to focus on screeps today

[real sierra]

??

[olive sable]

aight i officially enrolled in a college

[glass flower]

you can boost creep's parts with minerals later on

[real sierra]

my condolences

[tender river]

wish you better experience than i had

[real sierra]

im aware but why would you want to upgrade a level 8 controller more quickly

[tender river]

the only 2 classes where i learned anything were maths

[glass flower]

more GCL == more rooms

[real sierra]

wouldnt it make more sense to spend the energy upgrading one of your smaller controllers

[tender river]

it was so excruciating going to uni and spending so much time just to only spend 2 classes learning something

[glass flower]

well.. yeah but if you are on GCL 5 and all your 5 rooms are lvl8 you would want to boost them no?

[real sierra]

is that even possible

[glass flower]

(this is just a example)

[real sierra]

i dont have a single level 8 controller and i got to GCL2

[glass flower]

or what if your other controllers are on the other side of the world and its just not worth transporting the energy there?

[real sierra]

how would you get a controller that far away

[glass flower]

but you have the energy and minerals to boost your controller past lvl 8

[rare bridge]

also shiro doesn't even have any creeps on the private server

[glass flower]

i see plenty of people that have like 3-4 rooms inbetween their controllers

[real sierra]

i dont think a practical scenario ever comes up where it makes sense to upgrade a level 8 controller

[real sierra]

they use the highways between sectors to move

[glass flower]

i do think its worth it..

[real sierra]

they're also better at the game than we are

[rare bridge]

other than farming gcl

yo wtf these bots are throwing hands

[real sierra]

because my scripts didnt sync

[rare bridge]

http://51.195.42.51:21025/authmod/password/

if you need the api

[real sierra]

looks safe to me

[glass flower]

im in

[rare bridge]

throw a password into there, authenticate via user-password

[real sierra]

sure, sign in through steam

nope steam doesnt work

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

where is this pass stored @rare bridge

[rare bridge]

idk prob the database

[real sierra]

shitty password it is

[rare bridge]

don't use a password you already use for the sake of not only common security practices

[rough bloom]

yeah. should be in the local LokiJS DB Screeps uses

[rare bridge]

but idk if it's hashed

so PLEASE

do NOT reuse a password

[real sierra]

oh wait

steam signin works now

probably fine

[rare bridge]

surely it's fine

[real sierra]

[glass flower]

alright... my scripts are definitely not designed to work from a new game... and i don't want to work on them now because i want to join a gamejam.. so... i'll likely will just ignore the private server for now..

[real sierra]

my scripts are good to go if i can just get them on the server somehow

[rough bloom]

it's hashed
even has a salt
-# the security of this is still questionable though, obviously just use a randomly generated password, it's only used by scripts anyway

[rare bridge]

can't wait for nn to be like "lule got your ip" while that's just a ovh server

[glass flower]

it works exactly the same as on the official ones?

[rare bridge]

screeps actually has proper security?

[real sierra]

[glass flower]

for me it does

[real sierra]

surely if i just move my scripts into the right folder

it'll sync!

[glass flower]

[real sierra]

(it isnt syncing at all)

[rare bridge]

my screeps seem to be doing just fine rn

[glass flower]

that is exactly how it works

[real sierra]

that is exactly how it doesnt work

[rough bloom]

it's implemented by the mod, not by the server itself, so I wouldn't have assumed so

[glass flower]

my screeps rely on containers and storage already being there.. so i can't build anything without that

[real sierra]

why is this so broken

[glass flower]

i adapt my code to my current needs on the official server. therefore i also removed a lot of early game code

[real sierra]

maybe if i respawn

nope

restart game?

[rough bloom]

does the game client not work anymore after committing code through the API?
if yes then I'm pretty sure it just does that

restarting fixes it

[real sierra]

restarting did not fix it

my local files are not syncing to the server

[rough bloom]

okay so it's not that

[glass flower]

are you putting them into the right folder?

[real sierra]

im not that dum

they're certainly in the right folder

[glass flower]

try deleting the folder or making a new folder

[real sierra]

wiat

i moved them out adn then back in after restarting

now it work

let the screeping begin

its all broken

[glass flower]

what a surprise

[real sierra]

nah its just first time setup stuff

preprocess stages use the tick to track when to fire

kinda started in the middle of it

all good

it'll sort itself out in 50 ticks

[glass flower]

well.. i don't have any early game code anymore.. so i would need to add it again. and i just don't have time for that rn

i'll run my screeps in maintenance mode for the next few days generally.

[tender river]

[real sierra]

tiny oopsie in my stats init code

corner case where i have 0 units

should be fixed now

fixed..?

fixed

ty @rare bridge

[faint sandal]

??? that's a COMPLETELY different search query

[real sierra]

online?

[rare bramble]

made a small oopsie with my spawn logic

all the creeps died

[glass flower]

[olive sable]

guys, the time has come for my c++ shenanigans

i present to #programming

if (collision)
{
    glm::vec3 minVec(0.0f);
    glm::vec3 maxVec(0.0f);
    minVec = glm::vec3(static_cast<float>(accessor.minValues[0]), static_cast<float>(accessor.minValues[1]), static_cast<float>(accessor.minValues[2]));
    maxVec = glm::vec3(static_cast<float>(accessor.maxValues[0]), static_cast<float>(accessor.maxValues[1]), static_cast<float>(accessor.maxValues[2]));

    boundingbox box = {};
    box.boundingbox = std::make_pair(minVec, maxVec);
    boundingboxes.push_back(box);
}

gotta love casting shit ig

copying the code into disocrd makes you see it againa nd wonder "wtf am i doing xyz for"

like why am i even predefining minVec?

[raw agate]

is there a way to code a website on mobile? other than GitHub..

[warped narwhal]

I present to you the glm::make_vec3 function

[olive sable]

[warped narwhal]

also I'm pretty sure you can just do box.boundingbox = {minVec, maxVec};

[olive sable]

error: 'make_vec3' is not a member of 'glm'

[glass flower]

btw.. do you even need to use static_cast? isn't (float) just the same

[olive sable]

idk

[glass flower]

surely the compiler is smart enough

[warped narwhal]

you need #include <glm/gtc/type_ptr.hpp>

[olive sable]

i was including it in main but forgot it in the header ye

[warped narwhal]

what program are you using? vscode?

[olive sable]

yep

[warped narwhal]

you should try out CLion, it has far better support for c++

I think it is now free for non commercial as well

https://www.jetbrains.com/clion/

[olive sable]

ok new error:
error: no matching function for call to 'make_vec3(const std::vector<double>&)' 137 | glm::vec3 minVec = glm::make_vec3(accessor.minValues);

[olive sable]

i will consider it

[warped narwhal]

what is minValues?

[olive sable]

std::vector<double>

[warped narwhal]

try glm::make_vec3(accessor.minValues.data())

[olive sable]

seems to be compiling well

thanks

[warped narwhal]

I'm guessing the code is a bit cleaner now

[olive sable]

it is lamo

now that i have the bounbdinboxes its time to make my collision grid

std::vector<std::vector<std::vector<Object*>>>

ok i was wonderign how you make the array, but liek what in the c++ fuck is this?
std::vector<std::vector<std::vector<Object*>>> entityGrid(GRID_SIZE, std::vector<std::vector<Object*>>(GRID_SIZE, std::vector<Object*>()));

[opaque sigil]

pls at least make some type aliases or sth

[olive sable]

yep, i think im going that route

[warped narwhal]

or just use an indexed array instead of a 3d array

[olive sable]

this is too painfull to look at

[olive sable]

that could actually work

std::vector<std::vector<Object*>> entityGrid(GRID_SIZE**2, std::vector<Object*>()); somethign like this ig?

[opaque sigil]

if the grid size is constant you may as well just make it an array too

[glass flower]

man... c++ is the ugliest language

[opaque sigil]

it's a lot better once you accept your faith

[olive sable]

the widht and height are constant, but the depth isnt

something like this

from the python engine

colour being linked to the amount of objects

[opaque sigil]

i would personally probably make a class that's backed by a single vector with an overloaded [] that takes a std::initializer_list so you could do grid[{x, y, z}] but that's just me

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

could make the class callable too instead but meh

[warped narwhal]

c++ 23 allows multiple arguments in the [] overload now, so no need for an init list anymore

[opaque sigil]

oh does it

that's even better

about time

[olive sable]

i dont have c++ 23 but i could install it

[warped narwhal]

yeah: https://godbolt.org/z/Wxh4WeWEM

[warped narwhal]

I'm pretty sure you just set the flag to use it, it doesn't need installed

[olive sable]

wht flag?

[opaque sigil]

-std=c++23

[warped narwhal]

are you on linux or windows? and what compiler are you using?

[olive sable]

windows, and whatever g++ is

[warped narwhal]

yeah, you will definitely have c++23

are you using cmake?

[olive sable]

im using a makefile lmao

the flag seems to have worked tho

[warped narwhal]

[olive sable]

its not too bad

[opaque sigil]

now that i think about it

if width and height are constant but depth is not

you still have to have a 2d array don't you