programming

[opaque sigil]

you forgot a d there

[olive sable]

do yall expect us to not wait in line at the grocery store?

[steel mesa]

just run from the grocery store

why pay

[opaque sigil]

there's nothing to get, it's just a lil meme that british people love queues

[olive sable]

i dont understand the meme tho?

what are they queueing for?

[opaque sigil]

yes

[steel mesa]

yes

[olive sable]

we also queue in belgium?

???

[rigid snow]

[steel mesa]

no you dont

the belgium dont exist

[olive sable]

yes we do

wtf

the belgium is not ever proper grammar

[steel mesa]

proof that whatever they are dont exist

[olive sable]

but thats litteraly me

[steel mesa]

you dont really exist you're in my head

sorry to break the news like this

[olive sable]

damn your head is fuckign huge if true

see a docter please

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

this cant be healthy

[steel mesa]

im just that big brain

[olive sable]

bro doen't have a 4head, bro has a 10^82head

[steel mesa]

damn are you that big

[olive sable]

im just including the universe

[real sierra]

" WE'RE USING 2MB"

[steel mesa]

thanks for the compliment, i always knew i had the knowledge o fhte universe

[real sierra]

the 2mb in question:

what is this list of 119 errors

some of these just make absolutely no sense

[steel mesa]

just ignore them

the game still works

[real sierra]

wait

what?

is this every error ive ever gotten?

some of these are so old they're from my previous AI that i wrote when i first started playing

[olive sable]

ah lmao

shiro are you british?

[steel mesa]

shiro is canadian

[olive sable]

shiro do you queue?

[real sierra]

what does that even mean

[olive sable]

like in daily life

[real sierra]

???

what would the alternative to queueing be

[olive sable]

you dont skip queues right?

[real sierra]

just dying if you have to wait

[olive sable]

like the grocery store

[real sierra]

of course not

if you skip queues for non-urgent reasons you should be shot

[steel mesa]

shiro this guy is delusional and believes that other countries queue

[olive sable]

see, even canadians queue

[steel mesa]

the british are the only ones that queue

no one else queues in the world

[real sierra]

if you take actions that place yourself before society then why wouldnt society dispose of you

[olive sable]

the belgians queue, the canadians queue. i dont get why the british are gatekeeping queueing

fuck the british

[steel mesa]

didnt mean to gaslight you into hating the british but sure this is the best outcome

[rare bridge]

@real sierra miner code

[real sierra]

when you start getting things like this, do you not wonder if you've abstracted too far

[olive sable]

cloudburst are you british?

[real sierra]

how much overhead are you getting calling empty functions like this

[rare bridge]

it's empty for now i'm working on it

[real sierra]

why did you show it to me before you wrote anything

[rare bridge]

for the comment

[real sierra]

thats the only part of that image that isn't "miner code"

[rare bridge]

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

i love how you didn't bother giving it a more specific type, just Function

[real sierra]

wdym more specific type

[steel mesa]

i just noticed this is... empty

[opaque sigil]

wait was Function not a built-in, am i tripping

[real sierra]

it is a built in

[steel mesa]

are you running on hopes and dreams?

[olive sable]

always

[opaque sigil]

you can type the parameters and return too

[real sierra]

in the Function type itself?

like, you can specify the parameters to the generic type?

[opaque sigil]

i don't actually know, but (params1: type1, param2: type2) => type3 works as a type

[real sierra]

well yeah i get that

but thats not what you're asking for

[opaque sigil]

it is

[real sierra]

you want a more specific type for Function, then Function has to be a generic type that accepts type parameters

it doesnt have applicable inheriting types you could use in its place to my knowledge

[opaque sigil]

i was talking about a more specific type for functions, not Function specifically

[rigid snow]

this argument is so stupid 💔

[real sierra]

i dont think Function has any built-in subclasses that would make sense to use tho

or are you suggesting cloud subclass it themselves

[opaque sigil]

i'm not suggesting anything

i just found it kinda funny to see a "oh yeah this thing is a function"

[real sierra]

[opaque sigil]

also TIL Function is just

interface Function {
    /**
     * Returns the name of the function. Function names are read-only and can not be changed.
     */
    readonly name: string;
}

my life has been a lie

[rigid snow]

i'd () => unknown but who cares

[opaque sigil]

idk either

i think we should abolish duck typing

[rigid snow]

🦆 ⌨️

[tender river]

🦆 wtf

meow meow mew mrp

[real sierra]

🦆

[rigid snow]

admin he's doing it sideways

[olive sable]

tbh this screeps code seems so inneficient to me, im constantly checking if shit decays and every single other state change in the world that is important to my screeps.

normally i would just make the function activate as a direct result of the state change

[real sierra]

r lled

[olive sable]

just received conformation of superbox's 3090 working

[real sierra]

now superbox can play graphically intensive games like screeps

[olive sable]

he had a 4070ti before

just needed the vram

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

tbh i am wondering why screeps isnt running on gpu in the server, i guess if the sccripts are all diffrent it cant be properly parallelized?

[opaque sigil]

have you looked at the server dependencies

[rigid snow]

gpu js runtime

[olive sable]

nope

[opaque sigil]

it's using nodejs from like a decade ago

[real sierra]

under the hood, screeps is just a bunch of giant database ops afaik

tho maybe that's a step after what you meant

[opaque sigil]

having to isolate things also kind of kills your potential to run things on the gpu

[real sierra]

sandboxed gpu

[opaque sigil]

not that you would want to in the first place realistically

tf you gonna do with this on a gpu

you're not running billions of creeps in parallel i'd hope

[real sierra]

actually i did hear the npc ops are kinda like that

lemme dig up that source

[olive sable]

just change to using cuda

[nocturne olive]

And the fun thing with the 3090 is it's doing no rendering, so I get to keep all the VRAM

[opaque sigil]

i wish cuda was a silver bullet

[real sierra]

i mean lots of info here https://docs.screeps.com/architecture.html

[opaque sigil]

it'd make my life so much simpler

[olive sable]

well i was thinking the server is kinda really fucking slow, and gpus are fast

[opaque sigil]

they're fast under very specific circumstances

[rare bramble]

the path my builders have to take to upgrade my controller

https://tenor.com/view/aintneurway-aintnoway-neuro-sama-gif-5891904396562474502

[olive sable]

my routes rn

road to the spawnr broke lmao

[rare bramble]

oh damn

[real sierra]

opposite extreme

thats a source, a spawner, a controller and every unit in the room

[rare bridge]

my miner is instantly confused

[real sierra]

me when i dont win despite gambling to the very end

[steel mesa]

theres always something to gamble shiro

[real sierra]

[steel mesa]

you have a car right?

[real sierra]

no

i dont

[steel mesa]

what do you have

[real sierra]

legs

[steel mesa]

great :)

they accept that as down payment

go gamble

[real sierra]

impressive

[olive sable]

imagine having legs, couldnt be my miners

[real sierra]

i didnt think anyone would want various replacement parts from me

given my poor genetic illness history

[steel mesa]

its gonna be used to feed animals

[real sierra]

i dont think im much good for that either given im underweight

[steel mesa]

food is food

[olive sable]

im long so most of my organs are desirable

i do have a bad liver tho

genetics

makes getting drunk cheaper tho so actually not that bad

[real sierra]

this room should reach RCL3 by tomorrow afternoon

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

GCL probably not going up for a couple weeks tho

[steel mesa]

i really tried guys

a shame i got stuck on the tutorial

this is a sign to stick to hardware

[real sierra]

screeps is niche

even for this channel

[steel mesa]

its about programing tbh

aslong its not just the game itself

but the logics of the game and certain builds

it should be okay to maintain here

[real sierra]

i moreso meant

even programmers dont all like this game

[steel mesa]

ah

well thats not my case

im just really bad

but i understand what you're saying

some programmers just might not like how this concept

but we shouldnt exclude a topic because of a group of people

i mean so far there hasnt been anyone that doesnt like the game

[real sierra]

[steel mesa]

i merely refunded because i couldnt get around it

but i still like the concept of the game

[real sierra]

there was a guy earlier

i swear he must've been ragebaiting tho

he was like "EW JAVASCRIPT?" and stamped it a bad game for that alone despite the wasm support

[steel mesa]

lmao

[rigid snow]

i'm sure i'd hate it so i'm probably not going to try

[real sierra]

either ragebait or missing out big time

[rigid snow]

but i don't hate it yet

[steel mesa]

its one of those that learned programming in 9th grade and got told by the "popular kids" that this language sucks

[rigid snow]

js le bad

classic

[steel mesa]

js can be bad

but you're not stuck to js

thats the fun part

[real sierra]

js is slower than many languages

[steel mesa]

the game allows you to compile your own language

[rare bramble]

implementing creep logic fairly smooth now, only took a little boilerplate

[real sierra]

its also incredibly convenient for this use case where you need thousands of sandboxed programs running simultaneously over the web

[steel mesa]

"your own" - the languages you like

[rigid snow]

the languages you like that can target wasm

[real sierra]

i mean

thats quite a few

[rigid snow]

[amber fractal]

Anything besides JS mhm

[real sierra]

C can probably target wasm at this point so if your lang can target C you're probably fine

[rigid snow]

[steel mesa]

i mean you could take a different approach and just... do some code injection 👀

[real sierra]

and if your lang cant target C or wasm then why are you complaining about js

[steel mesa]

azaka would probably love this game

[rare bramble]

only a matter of time until kronii gives a screep made with hblang

[real sierra]

azaka when he learns that the console renders arbitrary html

[rigid snow]

there are so many js runtimes for wasm it's not even funny

[steel mesa]

too bad they're only a malware researcher

and not a malware user

[olive sable]

@sage crag i need hblang sreeps

idk why i just want them

[real sierra]

i mean

im looking into it and like

the hblang vm is written in zig

should be pretty doable to convert zig to rust surely

then you can compile that to wasm with existing screeps compats

so if you make sure the screeps bindings are accessible from within the vm

you win

some extra work probably needed for loading your hblang code from a module

[rare bramble]

[real sierra]

juho what did you do

[rare bramble]

nothing

I mean actually nothing, I have 0 lines of unsafe in my code

[real sierra]

how did you manage an oob access in rust of all things

is the rust screeps code broke

[amber fractal]

Invalid rust memory access? Impossible, I must report this to management post-haste.

[olive sable]

brother have a fcking ghost screep

i wonder what got blocked here

the typo or the topic?

[rare bridge]

i've got a very fun bug rn

[real sierra]

typo

[nocturne olive]

Anyone know any good Linux multi-GPU stress test?

[rare bridge]

my code refuses to think that this one source exists

[olive sable]

'wont die when i command it to die, and screeps will just walk through it'

[real sierra]

crysis

[olive sable]

ghost screep

[nocturne olive]

I don't have that and I don't think that does multi-GPU compute

[olive sable]

taxi_71145222 is a ghost-taxi lmao

[real sierra]

maybe this joke is too old for people to appreciate

[olive sable]

i know off crysis

im from 07 tho

im only a couple months older than the game

[nocturne olive]

I specifically want to put maximum load on both GPUs to test

[olive sable]

sli xdx

does the 4070ti have an sli port?

[rare bridge]

miner

[nocturne olive]

Can't SLI 2 different GPUs, and NVLink and SLI for consumer GPUs ended on the 3090

[olive sable]

damn

[amber fractal]

FurMark inst #1 and FurMark inst #2

[opaque sigil]

[nocturne olive]

And how do I render on a GPU that isn't connected to a monitor?

[opaque sigil]

sth sth offscreen render

[nocturne olive]

At least the 3090 definitely won't be sagging, the power cables for it and the 4070Ti will ensure a consistent space between it and the bottom of the case

[olive sable]

you should also have gotten a holding bracket

it was in the box

[nocturne olive]

I don't think that thing is designed for installing in a bottom slot

[olive sable]

wdym?

its supposed to go onto the pcie screw thingys under the 3090

[nocturne olive]

Under the 3090?

[olive sable]

yes

[nocturne olive]

There's like 1 of them below the 3090, and that's still right on top of the cooler

[olive sable]

ye then there's probably not enough space

should be fine tho

[rare bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/uuh-cat-gif-5958644876776734255

[rare bridge]

okay.. miner done, now for logistic

[rare bramble]

I swear im not doing anything funny

[nocturne olive]

The 3090 is literally just barely off the bottom of the case, and the cables going to it fill the gap

[real sierra]

i think you used a little too much cpu that tick

you may want to optimize

[olive sable]

so ye its fine, i dont see any issues

metal backplate and shit

its fine

[rare bramble]

The wasm load is always 70 - 200 ms, it's just the first tick

after that it goes to ~2 to 3 ms

[amber fractal]

Imagine being limited to every third tick, couldn't be me

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

go find it

[olive sable]

bro i dont remember what i changed

[rare bridge]

mfw i might need to refactor my spawning code already

[rare bramble]

I think I accidentally introduced recursion

[rare bridge]

i mean

recursion limit is like 3

[real sierra]

devs were planning to add console.clear 9 years ago 💔

where is it

[olive sable]

it exists?

[rare bridge]

gone

dusted

[real sierra]

no

thats the problem

[amber fractal]

console.log("/n"*100)

[olive sable]

wdym that the problem?

[real sierra]

i want to clear console from my code tho

[olive sable]

ah

just crash the cosole and let it restart

modern problems require modern solutions

[rare bridge]

i literally refactored it yesterday and i need to redo it

[olive sable]

fixed my code

[rare bridge]

i wanna base it on jobs need doing instead of it being based on minimums and maximums

[olive sable]

goodluck lmao

[rare bridge]

me omw to write more boilerplate

[real sierra]

someone reverse engineered the screeps client to add console.clear

[rare bridge]

the current system works fine, but i don't want builders hanging around if there's literally fuck all for them to do

so i'm thinking a minimum count, a maximum count, and within that range the spawner can make it's own decisions on whether a creep should be spawned

[real sierra]

function clearConsole() {  // god has forsaken us
  console.log("<script>angular.element(document.getElementsByClassName('fa fa-trash ng-scope')[0].parentNode).scope().Console.clear()</script>");
}

[rare bridge]

[sharp mantle]

rumour mill is going at a fast pace currently lmaoo

[olive sable]

screeps use these arays to do shit [CARRY,MOVE], but how do i add shit to it based on code?

[real sierra]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array/push

for appending to arrays

[olive sable]

thanks

[real sierra]

theres another handy pattern that you might like

const arr = Array(length).fill(value);

this gives you an array of length length where every item is value

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

e.g. if you wanted [WORK, WORK, WORK]:

const body = Array(3).fill(WORK);

[olive sable]

based

this is everything i ever wanted

besides vulkan

now i need to have code to see how much energy i have in the spawner and exstensions combined

[opaque wharf]

"A little". Bro went MIA for 3 days only to emerge with pages of boilerplate in rust

[glass flower]

my code broke... my screeps are in distress

[sharp mantle]

https://fixupx.com/chetaslua/status/1942715523911016684 hot of the rumour mill press

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[dusty niche]

unofficial Neuro-Sama will go online tomorrow

[olive sable]

if thats what it will look like no thanks

[real sierra]

ok

today on the tech debt cleanup list

the spawning bug ive been ignoring for 3 days where the amount needed for a particular role can be negative, causing an unintended budget overshoot for other roles

[rare bridge]

me when i want -4 creeps

[real sierra]

well its because

something like

const perCreepBudget = totalBudget / (creepsTypeA + creepsTypeB);

and current code is like

"we want to have 1 of this creep and have 2 so we need to add -1 creeps "

[rare bridge]

we need to brutally disintegrate a creep

[olive sable]

ReferenceError: min is not defined???

[rare bridge]

Math.min?

[olive sable]

does js not have min?

ah

math.min

ok

[rare bridge]

Math has to be exactly that

Math.min(arg1, arg2)

you can pass a 3rd arg too

it does absolutely nothing

but js doesn't stop you

[olive sable]

okay

on my way to kill my broken miners

[rare bridge]

i should probably continue working on my logistics

i'm migrating the job of filling the turret and spawners to them

[opaque wharf]

It does find the minimum from all of the arg

So you can do Math.min(...[1,2,3,4,5])

[real sierra]

^

[opaque wharf]

Or more likely:

const someComputedArray = []
// ...
const theMinimal = Math.min(...someComputedArray)

[glass flower]

i have 300 ticks left for safe mode... and im not prepared

[real sierra]

you get a free safe mode activation each time your RCL goes up

idk how you can run out unless your creeps are just idle

[glass flower]

my entire code broke overnight so it was running in "just work. but not good" mode

[real sierra]

condolences

[olive sable]

still have this random ghost taxi

[real sierra]

godspeed

[glass flower]

basically my code was only looking at the nearest extension and not all the free ones.. but now i can't fix it because i didn't have version control and i started reworking my whole system for a better and more split work force

[real sierra]

am i meant to ignore the guy who flew in from the next town over near the end of that clip

[olive sable]

thats just the wifi

[glass flower]

my spawn code was looking for extensions.. but they were never filled so i added a emergency mode where if there is energy deficency but we don't have harvesters we try to spawn a suboptimal harvester... so it was just doing that the whole night

[olive sable]

restarting the game made ghost taxi dissapear

[real sierra]

i feel like this clip would be really fucking funny with sound effects edited over everything happening

[olive sable]

i cant be bothered to edit it tho

[real sierra]

reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WMm6AFewCro

[olive sable]

aight i should have 4 miners fully saturatimg my sources, and some containers here by next morning

[rare bridge]

why did my spawner system spawn a 2nd miner

[olive sable]

[rare bridge]

it.. shouldn't have???

i think my spawners take so long to spawn that my system gets confused and tries to queue another spawn

[real sierra]

i think my code is perfect

no more changes needed

its done

[rare bridge]

i think i have an idea

[real sierra]

welp

i guess i should do performance improvements

profiling time

[rare bridge]

shiro are you sure you've automated everything

[real sierra]

tbh there isnt that much to optimize

[rare bridge]

damn shiro beat screeps

let's see how shiro's code lasts in 9 days time

[real sierra]

code can auto expand my empire as i attain the GCL for more rooms

defense is

...passable

[rare bridge]

will put that to the test later

[opaque wharf]

Does VLOOKUP perform interpolation?

Excel

[real sierra]

1.7?

[opaque wharf]

I don't think it should be right?

[real sierra]

idk which performance issues are just cache misses

more profiling data supports my hypothesis that i dont need to optimise this anymore

like yea

almost all low performance is from cache misses

...that being said

builders are occasionally quite expensive

with no cache misses

so they're probably in need of extra caching

time to profile the preprocessing steps then

[rare bridge]

me adding a TON of profiling to my program

[real sierra]

looks like wall integrity checking is slow...

[real sierra]

your lack of if (Game.cpu.bucket == 10000) Game.cpu.generatePixel(); makes me quite sad for you

[rare bridge]

i'll add it (it must be profiled)

[real sierra]

well ive concluded from my profiling that im cracked at coding

[glass flower]

i don't have it either...

[real sierra]

back to adding features

[real sierra]

if you want cosmetics, id suggest you start now

[glass flower]

but also.. everytime i compile it takes me over the current frame time. so if i get unlucky it could make my program take like 10 ticks to compile

[nocturne olive]

Very VRAM

21GB

3090 really being utilized

32 RVC batch size though, so that's cool

[rare bridge]

this is what i output for profiling now

[glass flower]

if (game.Cpu.Bucket == 10000 && game.Time - CurrentTick > 10)
            game.Cpu.GeneratePixel();

i added this now.. it will now only try to generate a pixel after 10 ticks have past after a recompile

[rare bridge]

my profiling is meant to be read bottom up tho

[steel mesa]

I'm tempted to learn the game

thing is i have no motivation

[rare bridge]

do it

[steel mesa]

who wants to guide me and be my motivator

wait no

I'd just disappoint you

[amber fractal]

I volunteer Shiro

[opaque wharf]

The 3090 has arrived @olive sable

[sage crag]

maybe later

[sage crag]

there is a rust version of the vm already

[real sierra]

perfect

[sage crag]

aside from that, the zig compiler can compile to wasm

[steel mesa]

shiro would tell me to give up

[real sierra]

great

but how do you get the screeps api accessible from hblang

[sage crag]

vm ecall hook

[sage crag]

https://depell.mlokis.tech/feed
hblang in browser

[nocturne olive]

He knows

Also look at all that GPU

[real sierra]

so if its this few steps why doesnt it already exist

[sage crag]

because it sounds awful

vm-ception

[real sierra]

i feel like an hblang expert like you could assemble this in moments

[opaque wharf]

Noice

[real sierra]

and then screeps in hblang would be possible

you could write some example screeps functions too to show how it works

[opaque wharf]

Shiro seizing every opportunity to drag anyone to screeps

[real sierra]

im proposing a fun hblang project

i thought hblang was popular here

[sage crag]

i would rather reimplement screeps from scratch in hblang than mix javascript and hblang

[opaque wharf]

"Fun"

[rare bridge]

time to see if my new logistics code works

[opaque wharf]

Look at rust interop with JS. MIA for days

[real sierra]

this is a bold claim to make before having seen the screeps backend code

[rare bridge]

look at him

[silver zephyr]

chat, i hate wanting to code something but not knowing what to code

[silver zephyr]

whats this for?

[real sierra]

have i got a project for you

[opaque wharf]

Screeps

[opaque wharf]

See

[amber fractal]

Screeps mhm

[real sierra]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/464350/Screeps_World/

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[silver zephyr]

at this point id code anything

[real sierra]

read description

trust

[opaque wharf]

Steph and Shiro. Now we just need Sora

[amber fractal]

Shiro single handly necroing the playbase

[rare bridge]

okay, logistics works so well i'mma pull the harvesters store task

[silver zephyr]

speaking of which i remember why i came here now; how could i set up a way for my second pc to start a stream if my main gets turned off? ive been trying to figure it out but i dont qute know how, any info is handy, i was thinking of going for an api route with one pc sending the other a ping, but i just dont know

[nocturne olive]

#programming is now full of the silly game I can't get, which is particularly silly

[amber fractal]

Petition to rename #programming to #shiro-screeps

[opaque wharf]

I'd go the mechatronics route and send data when a sensor detects the PC no longer have power

[rare bridge]

lemme give logistics the task of keeping the turret maintained too

[amber fractal]

While I'm here, @prime ridge
NN update, testing is underway. The goal being to collapse all cases into primitives. It's not working yet, but hopefully soon it will be.

[opaque wharf]

Could also use periodic ping and track the number of losses in a window

[prime ridge]

Ooh. Could I convince you to update the github so I can look at it? I'm pretty excited to see

[amber fractal]

I admit the testing is more jank than the others, but sure

[silver zephyr]

hmm

[prime ridge]

trust me I have seen worse

[silver zephyr]

oo interesting, what we doin?

[nocturne olive]

All this newfound VRAM is letting me run RVC training at a massive 32 batch size

[amber fractal]

I don't feel like booting up WM I'm just CLIing this

[nocturne olive]

And since it's on a second GPU I can also use my PC for other stuff in the meantime

[real sierra]

[silver zephyr]

||Shiro cute, also happy birthday shiro||

[real sierra]

both wrong

[silver zephyr]

i disagree

[opaque wharf]

The downside is its prone to network error and requires periodic polling and other edge cases

[silver zephyr]

i mean i can just manually start it but why would i wanna do that

automation is funner

[rare bridge]

my logistic creeps are now in charge of energy from miner creeps to spawns and towers

[amber fractal]

Frickin git

[rare bridge]

when i unlock the next RCL i'll get a Storage and instruct the logistic creeps to store into there, that way the builders and (leftover) harvesters don't need to mine anymore

oh that something i should do

allow logistics to pick up energy on the ground if there is any

[amber fractal]

@prime ridge should be up if I didn't screw over the git

[prime ridge]

alr alr

[amber fractal]

Everything in WIP should be in Neurray3.py

Including the test code for the moment

[prime ridge]

it's not up for me

[amber fractal]

bwaa

[prime ridge]

fire name

[amber fractal]

https://github.com/igglyn/NN/blob/WIP/src/neurray3.py

Up on the WIP branch

Generalization seems to function once it exists, but for now I'm working on getting said generalization.

[amber fractal]

This was tested via echoing numbers with training data only being powers of two.

[prime ridge]

oh it's on WIP branch yeah

[amber fractal]

[prime ridge]

raise "bwaaaaa"

[rare bridge]

someone's gonna have to tell me why 3 of 4 of my logistics are idle

annnd my creeps have stunlocked themselves

[real sierra]

they're planning

[rare bridge]

or that tick took ages

[prime ridge]

@amber fractal What is "MaskToMask"?

[rare bridge]

oh they're putting themselves in weird states

ohhh i did a silly

[amber fractal]

Takes in a Binary Mask, outputs a Binary Mask. I do intend to specialize in the future with an accumulator as well so I thought renaming would be a good idea.

Granted I'll need to do a lot of cleanup before I work on another neuron type.

[prime ridge]

So that's a "neuron"?

I don't know what these masks are for

[amber fractal]

It's just a building block at the moment. Something far too low level to properly use. If I wanted to build a char model then odds are this would be acting like a lookup table with one bit mapped to one char.

Granted as it is it'd not be the best at single selection on it's own. No limits to prevent more than one output by default.

[rare bridge]

@real sierra should i build some walls

pros: defence

con: as my code is currently written, my builders will go into a permanent repair task

i might make a creep role which just explicitly repairs walls

but for tonight surely the turret will be fine

[trim valve]

I keep learning more about ME networks

at this point there's a very real chance I end up tearing down my current base and making a new "proper" system

[opaque sigil]

memememememememememememe

[trim valve]

because I just learnt about point2point ME :3

I finally get to cosplay as a network administrator

[amber fractal]

Subnets

[trim valve]

subnets are kinda neat

tbh I just needed to properly sit down and read the wiki

because just guessing what the quartz fibre does is not a fun game

[amber fractal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_XG-N3TYJc @trim valve

[trim valve]

I will be watching that when I wake up even if only to test my knowledge

[prime ridge]

interesting

[steel mesa]

rewrite it so they only repair the walls after a certain threshold of durability and have them all repair at the same time so it's faster, while it will keep the builders all occupied, they won't spend much time repairing the wall

contrary to having only a few repairing, then you'd probably have them repair forever

[fast pagoda]

[amber fractal]

It is an upgrade 👍

[fast pagoda]

version = different = must be new

versions can NEVER go down

so true

[real sierra]

since i switched to static miners ive been getting at least one raid a day

in fact i think its over two a day

turret is fine if there's one raider

if theres two, and one is a healer...

[steel mesa]

prepare at 3am
ding ding ding your base is gone

you'll receive an email that'll affect you as much as the rejections you got from job offers

[opaque sigil]

so not at all? too used to it

[real sierra]

fake news, i would never receive a job-related email

[bronze pier]

Anyone here know Ren'py programing? I am stuck on trying to animate health bars.

default vladhp = 100
default maxvlad_hp = 100
define hp_bar_width = 200
define hp_bar_height = 20

screen vlad_hpbar:
default animated_hp = AnimatedValue(vladhp, maxvlad_hp, 0.5)
default hp_ratio = animated_hp.value / float(maxvlad_hp)

fixed:
    add "hp_bar_empty.png"
    
    add Transform("hp_bar_full.png", crop=(0, 0, int(hp_ratio * 350), 50)):
        xpos 359
        ypos 237

    add "hp_bar_frame.png"

Durring combat it calls upon the "vlad_hpbar" screen

The health mechanic works, but it's chunking the health rather than draining it smoothly. Cannot seem to fix it.

[real sierra]

i know nothing about renpy programming

but i would think that converting hp_ratio * 350 to an int would cause it to move in steps of 1/350th

since there's no fractional part to an int

not sure if that's what you mean by chunking

[bronze pier]

Well more so like the, health does go down correclty. I would just rather it visually drain smother than the chunk of health suddenly disappearing.

The 350 was just to resize the actual image correctly

[dire trout]

i think i understand most of python
wtf is __init__ self tho

[real sierra]

what

[fast pagoda]

it constructs the class

[real sierra]

i mean not in that syntax

but yeah usually the __init__ function is your constructor

self is a new instance of the class

[dire trout]

oh

i have no idea when to use it rhough

[fast pagoda]

defining a class

[real sierra]

maybe an example helps to show that?

idk lets say you want a class Person that can store someone's age

you might write something like

class Person:

  def __init__(self, age):
    self.age = age

then when you want to make a new instance you can just

[opaque sigil]

me omw to define a class with only static methods thanks to java brainrot

[real sierra]

bob = Person(25)  # creates a new Person instance with age set to 25
print(bob.age)  # --> 25

[fast pagoda]

class Stinky:
    def __init__(self, deodorant)

you defeated me shiro i was busy thinking up hilarious function names

[real sierra]

no it needs to be as boring as possible so they pay less attention to the name and more attention to the useful info

[dire trout]

so

class OrderingSystem:
    def __init__(self):
        self.menu = menu
        self.cart = {}
        self.GST_RATE = 0.09 # 9% GST

    def display_categories(self):
        #insert categories here
        pass

?

[fast pagoda]

self is always passed - it refers to that specific instance of the object that's all it really is

[real sierra]

you would need menu in the arguments to the __init__ function after self

[fast pagoda]

yeah otherwise where's that menu coming from

[dire trout]

ofc menu is defined

im not pasting the entire thing here 😭

[real sierra]

ah if its just a global then thats fine

[dire trout]

i have to global it???

[real sierra]

er not a global but

accessible from that scope somehow

[dire trout]

oh

[fast pagoda]

it wont be in scope if it's not globe or passed to it or something else to put it there

globe

[real sierra]

up here i have def __init__(self, age):, which is why i can pass an age to the constructor later: Person(25)

[fast pagoda]

shiro age leaked

[real sierra]

here you just have def __init__(self): so your constructor takes no arguments

i.e. unless menu was defined somewhere else at the same level as the class was, it cant be seen from inside the function

its just a random undefined word

[dire trout]

fuck

ok

so i do have to global it

[fast pagoda]

or pass it in the args

[real sierra]

or

[fast pagoda]

when you call it

[real sierra]

that

[dire trout]

oh

honestly do i even need a class for the stupid ordering thing i can just function all of them and itll work the same :smh:

[fast pagoda]

this is also wwhy they use __init__.py inside folders to define a package (bunch of other modules)

it's like a little analogy for the class initialization method but instead of a class it's used to signal that the dir is a package

frig

[real sierra]

wholesome confusing the user

[fast pagoda]

lil cute reference for ya

[dire trout]

wow

ill cross that bridge when it gets to that ig

[fast pagoda]

python 201

[dire trout]

sob

[fast pagoda]

i think directory structure would be a 101

[real sierra]

are you new to object oriented programming

totally ok if you are, many langs are imperative or functional nowadays

idk why oop lost popularity

[dire trout]

yes

[fast pagoda]

my youtube has recently started recommending me a shitload of anti-oop videos

[real sierra]

classes are one of the strongest features of object oriented programming

[dire trout]

pain

[real sierra]

a class is basically a blueprint for an object of some kind, describing what information it stores and what actions can be taken on it

[fast pagoda]

classes are like the thing that enables oop

[real sierra]

and then you make instances of that object from the blueprint, each of which is its own separate thing with its own information, arranged according to that blueprint

the constructor is a function that tells the class "how do i make a new instance of this"

it constructs a new instance

[fast pagoda]

you can encapsulate yo shit (in a class) -> abstracting away complexity into smaller bits and exposing just the class call -> this becomes inheritable to its children objects & enables polymorphism throuhg the fact that objects from different classes can be also treated as an object OF their parent class

[real sierra]

and i swear to god if you correct a nuance to my explanation in a way that only serves to make it confusing

[dire trout]

i feel like i get it

but i dont

but i get it

[fast pagoda]

oh no i was just shitting out random stuff

which probably does make it confusing but see the thing is

E

[real sierra]

tldr never come to this channel for programming help

read a guide that's written to be helpful

[fast pagoda]

hey we'll explain a whole hell of a lot

99% of it you never asked for

[real sierra]

no

we will set them back

like

months

in knowledge

[fast pagoda]

[real sierra]

info dumps are number one way to make someone not pursue something

[dire trout]

nono its a lil helpful

[real sierra]

ive seen the question answering ability of this channel and it's dismal

[dire trout]

i mean... i guess i understand fully now

i just dont know when id use it ig

[real sierra]

any time you can organize your problem into distinct items of some kind

oop becomes helpful

[fast pagoda]

for me it just lets me think of it how i would want to solve an issue irl
kinda

[real sierra]

it takes experience to kinda know how to best make blueprints for those items

yeah what afunyun said is a great point

you can often create things closer to how they would be in reality

since you can model real objects with... well, objects

[fast pagoda]

you're in a caave
with a box of scraps

python is the scraps but you can use those to build little blocks of stuff that solve small bits of the problem

and then jam em all together as needed

[real sierra]

[fast pagoda]

and then spent the rest of the 99% of the time trying to fix it after it explodes

[real sierra]

@rare bridge im gambling

opening my first crate

wtf themes

[opaque sigil]

they know

[real sierra]

it's just hit me that i need per-room statistics in addition to the global ones

[dire trout]

what does a 20 CPU limit mean

[real sierra]

pain

[real sierra]

20ms

give or take

[dire trout]

idk if I buy screeps I don't really want to pay $130

[real sierra]

you dont need to

nobody here has

[dire trout]

oh

is there ways to increase cpus

[real sierra]

not without paying money

but 20 CPU is still quite a lot

[dire trout]

pain but fair enough

[real sierra]

i have two rooms and im only using about 5 CPU

and a lot of that is just one-time overhead that doesnt scale with my size

its very possible to be successful with 20 CPU

just need to write good code

but you can take baby steps toward that, nothing is perfect out the gate

[glass flower]

also... technically in the end-game you can buy cpu unlocks with ingame credits

but that is likely 100's of hours in the future

the base game version is totally fine

i barely go over 3ms

and i run c# with wasm which is likely a big overhead generally

[dire trout]

after trying the tutorial I can say it's okayish

don't think I will buy tho

😦

[glass flower]

it is a MMO afterall its not for everyone. also a big time commitment (which is kinda ironic since its suppose to be about automating everything)

[glass flower]

i knew the pixel generation code would cause this... now i need to wait for my bucket to be full because i gen'ed a pixel right before i recompiled

[tulip ermine]

Anyone a Roblox developer Can anyone make me a headtracking script for my fake head named "Debug_1"

My bad I meant look at player script

[dire trout]

so this works?

class OrderingSystem:
    def __init__(self):
        #set menu data
        self.menu = {
            "Burgers": {
                "category_code": "FB10",
                "items": {
                    "B01": {"name": "Classic Beef Burger", "price": 5.50},
                    "B02": {"name": "Chicken Burger", "price": 5.00},
                    "B03": {"name": "Veggie Burger", "price": 4.80},
                    "B04": {"name": "Spicy Chicken Burger", "price": 5.30}
                }
            }
        self.cart = {}

then I can function it

[dire trout]

oh

OH

oh

I see

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[amber fractal]

Borgers, tasty

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

Going nack home now

5 hour drive to dubrovnik today

[amber fractal]

Yippie

[olive sable]

Tomorrow flight home, and friday morning train

[glass flower]

2 of my upgraders just decide to live in another room now...

[uneven pulsar]

Day 90 upgrading the frontend ( which is now fullstack) on a Zend mail box system

Kinda crazy to look at the git blame in this project and see 2008 commits.. I was 6

[amber fractal]

Not sure which one is more impressive, starting a life long coding project at 6 or knowing how to use git at 6

[jagged turtle]

knowing how to use git since you're only starting a project, not completing the entire thing

[hidden lagoon]

Hey, i've been having some thoughts about Neuro's TTS. She seems to always pronounce "live" as in "alive" rather than "living" even when it's supposed to be the latter. She also pauses after every period, even if it's signifying an abbreviation. There's also some even more contextual cases like saying "three tenths" rather than "three out of ten" for 3/10.

What i'm wondering is if an LLM can be trained to output different symbols for characters with different meanings, like the period. Maybe normal speech could even be returned entirely phonetically, and there's like a dictionary that translates it to plain text for the subtitles. Or maybe ambiguous cases like "live" and 3/10 could be individually annotated with their pronounciation.

Is this a viable idea? Afaik LLMs are trained on text, so maybe you can't really distinguish these differences during training 🤷🏻‍♂️

[tender river]

neuro uses very old tts tech

specifically, she just uses microsoft ashley

some of the issues you mentioned are why evil is a thing (her voice was originally supposed to be an upgrade for neuro) and why vedal is working on voice v3

[hidden lagoon]

So hijack Ashley and give her an education!

[tender river]

thank you chatgpt your answer is very insightful

[amber fractal]

👍

[silent nacelle]

i know this is silly but how do i get in programming in general? specifically towards software engineering or cyber security

[jagged turtle]

software engineering you should try all the different ways to print text to a console (this is why hello world examples are used), this gets you understanding different programming concepts such as variables, functions, etc...

cyber security you need to apply a bit of software engineering (so you can create exploits, obviously) and think out-of-the-box a little. try finding a site that lets you do capture the flag exercises to warm you up

not an expert in either but hope that could give you some pointers

[silent nacelle]

thanks!

[jagged turtle]

also if you're getting stuck on trying to create something try drawing down what you want your program to do before continuing. it can give you a good visual representation both for yourself and others (if you ask for help)

plus you're an artist according to roles so it'll integrate your current hobby in (hopefully)

[silent nacelle]

artist but i draw once or twice a month XD

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that's more than what I draw in a lifetime

[jagged turtle]

you don't need to make your sketches super detailed, you just need like a diagram or flowchart that visualises what you need to do

[opaque wharf]

You're good to learn programming with just a browser too. The language is called JavaScript and used mostly for web stuff

[jagged turtle]

it doesn't even have to be neat either, here's my example

[jagged turtle]

do be aware though that javascript is perceived to be very different to most other languages

anyways, any language works for learning programming (that isn't html or css unfortunately), you just need to learn programming fundamentals and concepts and then your knowledge will help you translate between languages, more or less alright

[opaque wharf]

If you're curious, go open a new tab in your browser, and hit F12 on your keyboard. That's good enough to learn the basic. For reading stuff about JavaScript, you can head to https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/. People also make P5.js, which can be used for simple art https://editor.p5js.org/

[silent nacelle]

i might have to grow a bigger brain before i get to the nittygritty of it first hahah

[jagged turtle]

...maybe also say how to navigate devtools too

[opaque wharf]

Wait, it does not go to console by default?

[jagged turtle]

depending on your browser yeah

[opaque wharf]

Oh, there's console but below the inspector. Yeah, probably not the best then lol

[jagged turtle]

yeah

also the inspector shows html code which likely wouldn't be that helpful to examining a website's interactivity

oh no wonder adobe acrobat keeps crashing when I give it 2 PDF files

[opaque wharf]

It helps a lot, wdym? For learning programming sure it may not be needed since you only need console, but for inspecting web reactivity it helps a lot

[jagged turtle]

also, this is sorta one of the nittygritty of it, but javascript by itself actually places not much importance on one of the concepts in programming (yes I'm talking about types)

[jagged turtle]

what I meant was that because most sane devs don't inline the javascript what you're looking at is basically partially how the website displays itself visually

I say most sane devs because I know an IRL person who inlines all of their javascript

[tender river]

cyber security: do CTFs
software engineering: do projects
also use lots of google in the process (LLMs are also helpful but only if you use it for finding info to read on the topic rather than delegating your problems to them)

google goes a long way, if you know how to learn from google you're set for programming

[opaque wharf]

Which is why it is helpful to debug reactivity. But I may be biased because I use vue that closely resemble HTML

[jagged turtle]

ehh I don't see it that way, but maybe SPA debugging is a different experience to MPA debugging

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I mostly do SPA

Because I believe generating HTML on the server side is just a waste of compute

[jagged turtle]

That's not SPA-specific

that's called ssg - static site generation

bro my g key is broken

[silent nacelle]

whhops

makles sense

[desert wave]

[opaque wharf]

Not always static site generation tho. More like, server-side rendering (Which should be server-side generation really)

[silent nacelle]

ive only really had some minor experience with coding in unity due to highscholl but after that i kinda just forgot it all

[jagged turtle]

that concept can also apply to SPA can't it

[opaque wharf]

It could yes. Called hydration. But I rarely do such thing

[jagged turtle]

Well that same argument applies to me and MPAs

I could use server-side rendering to render my pages (if I bother learning how to without a framework...) but I rarely do such a thing

so

to me SPAs simply eliminate page navigation load times and reduce sending multiple pages for one client at the cost of worse SEO and larger bundles sent to clients

also can't forget the joke of "everything is just jsx"

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that's the thing. I don't care about SEO for internal application. Also, PWA is a thing, so the huge load only happen once. With good bundler and framework, it can even be split intelligently to be loaded lazily or when there is bandwidth

My stack is Vue + Vite PWA + Vuetify

[jagged turtle]

well yeah, internal applications don't care about SEO and larger bundle sizes

so in your case it fits

[opaque wharf]

Throw in some UnJS if you need more utilities. Also NuxtHub if I wanted easier deployment

And VueUse. Honestly, I love Vue lol

[jagged turtle]

I can tell

I used Vue back when VuePress was still a thing

and also used it with Nuxt

sorta don't really anymore

also is Vite PWA supposed to simplify PWA creation process for apps built using Vite?

[glass flower]

honestly for software engineer i would definitely recommend learning it through making games.
i started out by making super mario in java as my first proper project.
you could use javascript and a framework (https://github.com/collections/javascript-game-engines) and make simple games just to figure stuff out. since its a lot of interactive problems and you can see how things change if you change variables or functions.

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, V2 was really not that good at that time. V3 is arguably miles ahead in terms of DX. Couple that with VueDevtools that support plugins (Pinia, VueRouter, etc)

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[jagged turtle]

hell yea

lemme, uh, see how to use that 👀

[opaque wharf]

For simple apps that don't need to muck around by creating custom service-worker, VitePWA can generate it from predefined strategy and inject it automatically too if needed

But you can still create a custom service worker too if needed for push notification for example

[jagged turtle]

yeah I can tell

🤔 very useful thanks

[opaque wharf]

You're welcome. Web development is just that huge

[jagged turtle]

yeah I'm aware

think my cs teacher one time said "we got a whole bunch of people making javascript their lives and it's quite funny" and like well yeah ig

[opaque wharf]

Honestly, most "application" can just be a PWA nowadays

We have WebRTC, Websocket or SSE, OPFS, PWA, Web Push + Web Notification

[jagged turtle]

isn't that what part of the name is

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but I mean like, native app

[jagged turtle]

oh yeah

I think microsoft took that to the extreme with one of their windows releases

I think it was the Windows 365 builds being basically one giant webview?

[opaque wharf]

Not to mention the non-standard API like Web Bluetooth, Web USB, and other Chrome specific API

WASM too

[opaque wharf]

It is. 365 can be used inside a browser

[jagged turtle]

yeah I would imagine so

but I thought it was basically just screensharing to a browser iframe or smth

[opaque wharf]

I don't know the details about that

[tight tinsel]

hooray

i still have 1 more school yet to get back to me but imagine i get invited for all 3 of my choices

would be pretty cool

[opaque wharf]

Congrats and welcome to the insanity

[tight tinsel]

with 2 acceptances im on par with one of my seniors

well theres also the part where i need to actually prepare for them

[stark needle]

[tender river]

bwabwa

[real sierra]

good morning friends

[tender river]

shiro

how are your screeps

[opaque wharf]

You know chay, shiro will make konii implement an interface for hblang to screeps. Will you play it then?

[tender river]

shiro doesnt have that power

however, i am willing to make a js backend for erf2.0 for all your screeping needs

[opaque wharf]

You say that but now half of programming is persuaded to play screeps. Even using rust

[glass flower]

they got me

[tender river]

peer pressure

[opaque wharf]

That ERF2.0 itself is already cursed as it is. Now you wanted to somehow implement JS interop

[glass flower]

i even closed it today once already...

but now.. atleast i hope.. even if im offline everything should just work and nothing should break even if i get invaded...

[tender river]

clearly you must buy a new monitor just for monitoring your screeps

[glass flower]

i even started using RoomVisuals for debugging..

[glass flower]

i logged in on my phone just so that if i get a email that i get invaded i can quickly enable safe mode

[opaque wharf]

[glass flower]

quick question tho can enemies cross diagonally here? visually it would tell me no.. but creeps can normally go through diagonals

[opaque wharf]

Shiro just take the safe route and assume they can

But I don't know for sure if he has changed it

[rare bramble]

I still dont understand why resolving the ID fails

[opaque wharf]

What even is the ID type?

[real sierra]

alive and well I think

I'll check on this afternoon

I don't think much has changed for this morning

[real sierra]

they can

I'm almost certain

[opaque wharf]

But its still your assumption

[real sierra]

I mean you could also just

if (room.find(FIND_HOSTILE_CREEPS).length > 0) room.controller.activateSafeMode();

or whatever the function is

[glass flower]

yes they can. i just looked in the screeps discord

[real sierra]

there is no reason to assume the movement rules of the game are changed for ramparts in particular

visuals are visuals

[glass flower]

nah. if its just normal invaders my system should be able to kill them. its just that if its players

[real sierra]

yeah as uncomputable checked, I would ensure the type of your ID is correct

at the js level, screeps expects a string

[rare bramble]

and I use resolve to get the underlying type

[opaque wharf]

See, that is rust in-memory representation. If you get those ID from somewhere, you need to make sure those in-memory representation are preserved after loading it

[rare bramble]

and this way to store object is recommended by the rust starter screep in the official repo

[glass flower]

i feel like that shouldn't matter. since if they don't change as long as they are initially correct they should stay correct

[real sierra]

^

print the ID before you use it and make sure it maps to something I guess

probably a logic error in your code

not a boilerplate problem

[opaque wharf]

Let me ask, what is your code doing to get those ID?

[glass flower]

i don't use ID's anywhere

like.. at all

[real sierra]

you will

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, then what did you do to get the creep_impl for Miner, Builder, etc?

[real sierra]

the moment a creep needs to remember a particular structure or creep

[glass flower]

wdym?

[glass flower]

idk. i feel like even then i probably wouldn't need to.

[opaque wharf]

I'm guessing on your code somewhere, you are iterating a container that contains the object which implement creep_impl for different type of creep

[real sierra]

I mean even in js I can just

for (const creep of Object.values(Game.creeps)) {
// ...
}

[dry charm]

Not having a stable Unique ID that is fixed is a trouble for the long run

[real sierra]

the id should be unique and fixed

that's a guarantee made by the game engine

[glass flower]

i have roles saved in their memory. and get the class that needs to do the logic with:

[real sierra]

but it is possible for an id to map to nothing if the associated creep/structure dies (or never existed)

[dry charm]

i need to get into creeps, can someone make a day have 48h pls

[glass flower]

then i just do this. for each role

[real sierra]

MORE SCREEPS PLAYERS

[dry charm]

I even got it already, just do not really have time for it

[rare bramble]

using try_resolve retrurns Ok(None) hmmm

[real sierra]

did you check that the ID you're trying to resolve actually has a corresponding game object

I would validate that by hand

the game does not automatically clear the memory of dead creeps and such fyi

must be done by the player

[rare bramble]

ye but the ID i'm trying to get is for a room controller

[glass flower]

but also.. i don't think ID are an issue for me. because its just accessible on every creep through this interface. haven't validated if its correct... but i also don't have issues with Name which is similar to this

[rare bramble]

and it resolves fine sometimes

[real sierra]

oh

[rare bramble]

but other times it just fails

[opaque wharf]

I give up trying to do 3 things at once. Rust to JS is already cursed as it is, and I still got work to do

[real sierra]

sometimes

[glass flower]

why do you need a ID for a room controller? can't you just directly access it through the room itself.

[opaque wharf]

Welp, back to work I go

[rare bramble]

Like I feel like it resolves fine the first time and fails after that since my miners hogging the same resource used to have this problem, but now that I have 1 miner per resouce, i no longer have the same problem with miners

[real sierra]

that's so strange tho

[left solstice]

Would Core 2 duo 3.00 GHz x64, 8 GB ram and Integrated GPU be enough to play screeps?
I asked it before but didn't get an answer

[real sierra]

why would that happen that way

I guess as a bandaid fix you could cache IDs/objects the first time you dereference them or something?

[real sierra]

the game is basically a browser wrapper like discord

[glass flower]

if you can run a browser you can run screeps. all the calculations are done serverside

[real sierra]

if you can watch a YouTube video you'll be fine

[left solstice]

Ok great

[real sierra]

more screeps players

a few of us are in the novice zone at shard3 E38N38

in case you wanna come visit

[olive sable]

1 hour left, in a restaurant rn

[left solstice]

The game looks fun. Its a bit like bitburner which is another game about programming scripts and bots in netscript but screeps seems more interactive

[olive sable]

My ass hurts from sitting in the car lmao

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

bitburner felt too much like work

and that's coming from me

[glass flower]

i would definitely recommend not looking up anything about screeps and just working on the scripts yourself. its a lot of fun when everything breask in your base

[real sierra]

in a game where the core gameplay is writing code, using premade code is gonna worsen your experience

[glass flower]

[real sierra]

the few exceptions to that in my own code are a function for detecting respawns and a function for clearing the console, each of which I found on the forums

because I didn't even know either was possible with the engine limitations

[glass flower]

i only used the basic template for getting starting with the c# version. it had like a basic harvester and the role thingies. gonna rewrite all of that soonish tho..

[rare bramble]

like I could Implement a generic trait for objectID that checks if the object for the ID is cached per tick and only resolves it the first time, and returns cached item if the ID has been resolved the same tick before but that would just be more boiler plate and I think there must be a sane solution to this

[tender river]

bessel is such a nerd dont listen to him

[real sierra]

do more testing on when the ID fetch fails

[opaque wharf]

Until it didn't

[opaque wharf]

I mean, we usually visualize it using cartesian coordinate, so a 2 point are equal when they are overlap/on top of each other no?

[left solstice]

A very underrated game about programming is EXApunks in case you want to check it out. It feels very satisfying to solve the puzzles but most importantly doesn't require any programming knowledge which was great for me 1-2 years ago when I played it while deciding if I should learn to program

[real sierra]

point 1 is a unique representation nitpick

but he's right for point 2

credit where credit due

[olive sable]

Time to check on my screeps

[glass flower]

i looked at your base once.. you had like 15 creeps surround a single miner

[real sierra]

Time to check on my screeps

[olive sable]

Wifi bad, wont load

[real sierra]

can't load webpage

[rare bramble]

trying to resolve the IDs

[real sierra]

both of my rooms are about to upgrade

[scarlet arch]

This is how I imagine you Shiro. Micromanaging the little guys

Also, cute phone background, had to post it

Back to my code review I go

[real sierra]

I'm not micromanaging them

they micromanage themselves

[scarlet arch]

Technically you wrote the management

[olive sable]

[glass flower]

i am micromanaging them.. for the past like 20 hours.
i look what they do. and if they fuck up i fix the code.. and repeat

[real sierra]

I have a decent system down I can trust my creeps will do what is needed

the biggest test right now is the new room, and making sure I can still build up from zero

[glass flower]

the last time i trusted them like that.. i woke up with a single upgrader unit and no harvesters

[real sierra]

not 100% on if things like wall creation will work perfectly the first time

it should, but

[glass flower]

surely

my base.. should upgrade now on its own and keep everything going. it won't expand or anything like that or build anything. but atleast it shouldn't break

[real sierra]

it does reassure me that cloudburst is independently discovering the same strategies as me

[glass flower]

once i hit lvl 3 i will start expanding to other rooms and stealing energy from them