programming

[olive sable]

Montenegro

[scarlet arch]

I assume latin letters are more common there?

idk the history of the country :P

[olive sable]

They used to be toghether with serbia iirc

Odk

[opaque wharf]

I mean, half of europe was once german or soviet

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Europe do be interconnected like that, even in the medieval era

[olive sable]

Germany doesnt count

That was like 3 years

Place has spooky police tape too, but i cant read that

[opaque wharf]

Is that a sheep?

[olive sable]

I know what ☠️ means tho

Yes

That is a sheep

In the danger zone

And it has black eyes which are extra spooky

[opaque wharf]

You must rescue it Sam

You're the chosen one

[olive sable]

This was like yesterday

And im not touching wild sheep

[stark needle]

Attention! Electricity Cable

[olive sable]

Ahhhh

Makes sense the building was falling apart

[olive sable]

Wait so what language was that?

[stark needle]

Serbian

ПАЖБА! ЕНЕРГЕТСКИ КАБЛ

is what's written

[rare bramble]

https://media.tenor.com/jNKJDIzAGV4AAAAj/mhm.gif

[olive sable]

How do you also know serbian?

[stark needle]

[opaque wharf]

Dedication to quench curiosity

[stark needle]

ai overview is sometimes surprisingly helpful

For visual search

[rare bramble]

I have a huge problem with my miner screeps not finding the resource attached to them

and this is super weird since the official rust starter bot recommends that I store a objectID to things

and I literally do taht

and then the very next tick, THE SCREEP SAYS THAT THE ID IS INVALID

[glass flower]

sounds like something isn't sticking around and getting invalidated between ticks

[rare bramble]

like the id should be valid unless the object has literally disappeared, like screep died so ID is no longer valid or spawn is destroyed so the ID is no longer valid. but the resources never go away, like this literally should not happen

and like it sometimes works

but it fails 80% of the time

[glass flower]

weird..

i don't have that issue. i just fetch the objects if they get invalidated

and if they stick around i have them in a cached array

unless i misunderstand my lifetime of the cache... could also just be that i never invalidate the cache and i just got lucky

or i invalidate it every tick somewhow

i should probably check it... at some point

    private static readonly Dictionary<string, List<IRoomObject>> cachedStructures = [];

    public static T? FindNearest<T>(this IRoom room, Position pos) where T : class, IRoomObject
    {
        if (!cachedStructures.TryGetValue(typeof(T).Name, out var structures))
        {
            cachedStructures[typeof(T).Name] = [];
            return default;
        }
        if (structures.Count == 0)
        {
            structures.Clear();
            foreach (var spawn in room.Find<T>())
            {
                structures.Add(spawn);
            }
        }
        if (typeof(T) == typeof(ISource))
        {
            return (T?)structures
                .MinBy(x => x.LocalPosition.LinearDistanceTo(pos));
        }
        return (T?)structures
            .Where(static x => x.Exists)
            .MinBy(x => x.LocalPosition.LinearDistanceTo(pos));
    }

not sure if structure.Count can ever be 0 after i set it initially...

[rare bramble]

from what I observe, it fails to resolve the ID when other screeps are already mining the source and the source is full, but it still shouldnt fail there, it should fail the code for moving there and give me a move error: no path

[glass flower]

that definitely shouldn't fail

[opaque wharf]

2 screepers with 2 very wildly different language, and it isn't even the language the game used

[glass flower]

judging from what has been talked about before.. i don't think anyone uses javascript here

i saw typescript,rust,c#(me),clojurescript

[rare bramble]

I think shiro uses javascript

[glass flower]

[opaque wharf]

Shiro uses it. He just hates life I guess

[rigid snow]

typescript is js

[opaque wharf]

Until someone made an app using the type system alone

Chay always knows about cursed type

[rigid snow]

types don’t exist at runtime

in ts

[glass flower]

well.. but you still don't work straight in JS so it is a bit different

[rare bramble]

I mean realistically types dont exit at runtime in rust either

except if the type has a runtime contract to uphold like refcell

[rigid snow]

what if i hop on and use flow just to piss everyone off

well no it’s too similar to ts

[glass flower]

use Go

[rigid snow]

and jsdoc is just js with comments

[rigid snow]

no i mean use a js superscript that isn’t ts

what if i use jsx to describe logic

coffeescript

[tender river]

do vtables count

[olive sable]

Guys

Beach episodes are better on tv

Its raining

Also im realizing that the main focus on tv is the woman

[rare bramble]

ok, I really should respawn, this doesnt look like a nice neighbourhood

[sage crag]

yes

the distinction between signed and unsigned instructions also causes types to exist at runtime

vtables are more convincing though

[opaque wharf]

It's the beach. If you're swimming anyway, what's more water going to do

[stray dragon]

drive the other people away so there's less of a crowd

rain is so underappreciated smh

[stark needle]

no overly lucky extremely unlikely beach episode moments?

[trim valve]

#programming beach episode

[olive sable]

100 programmers from all over the workd gathering at a beach

What could go wrong?

[wet oyster]

The smell

[opaque wharf]

Playing screeps instead of swimming

[olive sable]

Hey i shower!

[wet oyster]

We need PrimeAgen making solve leetcode for 100$ challenge on programmer beach, like some youtubers do on fit beach.

[olive sable]

So true lmao

[olive sable]

Guys we need to buy a beach now apparently

[sage crag]

sea air is not good for my circuits

[olive sable]

Understandable

Konii would be like 1 of maybe 5 woman in #programming

[sage crag]

we have a poll for this

[olive sable]

We do

But its not the entirety of programmming

[wet oyster]

Im sure sand getting into air cooled systems would be very beneficial and surely not detrimental to performance

[trim valve]

god bless sand

[olive sable]

Surely...

[trim valve]

I love going to the beach and finding sand in stuff for the next month

[sage crag]

gender census poll

[olive sable]

I left my tablet at the apartment cuz of the big wet

[sage crag]

36 votes is a lot of votes

[olive sable]

Its decent ye

Iirc about 5 woman there

You, bred, chayleaf, and some others

[wet oyster]

Wait, chayleaf is a woman?

[olive sable]

Yes

[sage crag]

niuh

[wet oyster]

niuh indeed

[rare bramble]

and I died to invasion

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1369711927043035288/niuh-3x.gif

[olive sable]

Imma be honest i didnt know either for the like first year i was here

And chayleaf helped me with reading hexadecimal buffers for my gltf parser

So you're not the only one

That was the whole reason for the gender poll btw

E

So anyways, i doubt we want programmers at the beach

[wet oyster]

Btw, stone beaches >>> sand beaches

[stray dragon]

nah

sand is way better

stone beaches aren't fun to walk on

[uneven pulsar]

they are made for lying down

[wet oyster]

Absolutely untrue, they are very pleasant to walk on, the stones are smooth and round and warm. While the sand is abrasive and sticks to your legs.

[rare bridge]

[stray dragon]

stones too big and bumpy to walk on easily, sand is soft

[rare bridge]

there's a bug in my idle code

[olive sable]

True, i was at a stone beach yesterday but only to drink

[rare bridge]

fixed

[olive sable]

I probably went to more bard than tourist places this vacation lmao

Anyways i managed to fix my taxi screep code

Very hard to debug shit on mobile

[rare bramble]

hello neighbours

[olive sable]

The only problem i have rn is that the taxi screep is just blocking the znergy source now lmao

[rare bridge]

i'm 2 rooms below you

[glass flower]

oh you went under me... i was wondering who would pick such a shit spot

good luck with all the swamp tiles

and direct neighbours with invader

oh wait.. the invader is gonna collapse in 6,5k ticks

[olive sable]

aight i disabled their spawning code, now they need to supoku

[rare bridge]

my creeps just stay the fuck off the road if they're idle

these were surrounding the energy source until they switched to idle

[glass flower]

how are you doing those labels?

[rare bridge]

RoomVisual

[rare bramble]

I didnt have many great options if I wanted to come here

[glass flower]

once the invader is gone maybe you can take that spot? and i'll take the one left of it

[glass flower]

i need to look into that then i guess..

[rare bramble]

ye, room visual, just place text to creep coords with a slight positive X and Y offset

[olive sable]

I cant click on a screep if they're on a road on mobile, ill have to wait for him to die of old age

Can someone check how old my taxi screep is?

I cant see on mobile

[glass flower]

this one?

[olive sable]

Ye

791

Bro is gonne block everything for another 800 ticks

[glass flower]

can't you just move him manually?

[olive sable]

Wait

I can maybe kill him in the console

[glass flower]

there is a suicide method afaik

[olive sable]

taxi_71135072

[sage crag]

awawa

[rare bramble]

taxi_71135072

[glass flower]

making oneway taxi creeps sounds like a good idea if they just cost 50 energy. they move miners in place and then just die..

wouldn't waste time of the carrier bots

[stark needle]

[olive sable]

Hes refusing to die

I might be doing it wrong

[wet oyster]

You discovered cancer cell

[glass flower]

should just be:

Game.creeps["taxi_71135072"].suicide()

[olive sable]

Ohh

Ye i know why it wouldnt work, forgot the parenthesis

[glass flower]

[olive sable]

I just ended up killing him via taxis[0].suicide()

Very hard to type like this

Was doing thid initially

[real sierra]

gm

[real sierra]

if you plan to respawn near us, the sooner the better as our novice area counter is only getting smaller

I killed another invasion last night apparently

they just keep coming it seems

[rare bramble]

way ahead of you

[real sierra]

I better hurry up and murder QIS

[glass flower]

poor guy

[real sierra]

tho I don't think my code will even try until my GCL goes up

[glass flower]

btw.. once novice area is gone. will new paths open to the outside?

[real sierra]

while novice zone is active, the boundary has an invincible wall across all exits

once inactive, that goes away

[glass flower]

well i guess i will die in 10 days then

[real sierra]

yeah I feel you

[olive sable]

We beed to build a wall with turrets and shit

#programming battlefront

[real sierra]

I upgraded my wall code last night

it now builds even better walls

very happy with it

[glass flower]

are you building stuff automatically?

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

I have fixed the taxi code mostly

Problem is the taxi stops at the energy source, not the miner

So i killed them

[glass flower]

yeah, you need to move 1 more tile so the miner can go onto that spot

[olive sable]

Yep

I wonder what the best method gor thah is

[real sierra]

I went with the CPU saving method of picking a random direction and walking in it

[olive sable]

Just go to a random free direction and then commit die?

[real sierra]

[glass flower]

well.. you know the direction of the miner and you know the direction of the source.
so.. pick a direction that isn't those 2

[olive sable]

Same wavelenght lmao

[real sierra]

if you're going to die them afterwards tho

you may as well recycle them at the spawn

you can get back a lot of their cost if they haven't been alive long

[real sierra]

I'd argue the opposite, pick the direction the miner is in

[olive sable]

If i move them to spawn i might as well just reuse them for the other miner, and then recycle it

[real sierra]

you know the miner won't be there next tick

so you're safe to move there

[olive sable]

Ahh

[real sierra]

but also I was too lazy to do that and just did random

[glass flower]

i guess that works.. i forgot they can phase through eachother if they move to in opposite directions

[olive sable]

I have 2 sources so need 2 miners, by the time a miner dies the taxi will have died too so recycling the taxi is best

[real sierra]

you will be blown away by the income increase of having a dedicated miner

I couldn't believe it myself

it also means you'll probably start triggering invasions

[olive sable]

So:

1. Spawn taxi
2. Spawn miner1
3. Move miner1 to source1 with taxi
4. Return taxi
5. Spawn miner2
6. Move miner2 to source2 with taxi
7. Taxi goes to spawn
8. die Recycle

[glass flower]

that was also my plan. tho i was just gonna use my carrier bots

(like the logistic ones)

[olive sable]

The screeps upgraded my room controller overnight too so i can put more body parts in them

[glass flower]

i wonder.. do you guys automatically scale the bodyparts?

or just hardcode the parts

[real sierra]

I scale

[olive sable]

WORK, WORK, WORK, WORK, WORK, WORK

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

Idk how ill do it yet

I guess idd check how much energy we have atm and how much need we have for a miner

[real sierra]

a what

[olive sable]

[glass flower]

this is how i do my scaling things. basically just a bit of math.. tho i haven't tested it yet. waiting for my harvesters to finish building the extensions

[olive sable]

Misinput, misINPUT
you calm the fuck down!

https://tenor.com/view/moistcritikal-penguinz0-charlie-misinput-it-was-a-misinput-gif-23090919

[real sierra]

how I scale is a trade secret

(tho I might've leaked an old version of it when I dumped my source code ages ago)

[glass flower]

let me guess... it includes math

[olive sable]

Miners idd always try to pit as much as possible work parts on

Or well, how many does it saturate?

[real sierra]

im a math major after all

[olive sable]

Nerd

[real sierra]

my algorithms are some of my most closely guarded secrets

because they took a lot of time to develop

[olive sable]

The effectiveness of an ability depends on the amount of parts of a corresponding type. For example, a worker creep with 3 parts of the WORK type will work 3 times as effectively as a creep with only 1 WORKpart. The same applies to all the other types and actions.

[olive sable]

This does not help

[olive sable]

Ah

Thanks

[real sierra]

this is at https://docs.screeps.com/api/#Creep if you need it later

[olive sable]

2 energy / tick

Hmmm

So with 25 you immediatly fill your 50 carry space

Do those stack too?

[glass flower]

what stacks?

[olive sable]

The carry space

[glass flower]

i mean.. yeah. each carry space is 50

[real sierra]

https://gyazo.com/93f325d45e110fb937e188ae27e745b8.mp4

Out of my way loser. I'm building.

[glass flower]

[olive sable]

Why u shooting my beautiful wall? Me go repair

[real sierra]

invaders are rather spooky

they all have max parts

every single one

[rigid snow]

everyone will be forced to use macbook airs, phones and tablets. any devices with fans will be confiscated on entry

[olive sable]

[wet oyster]

Id rather breathe sand myself than use macbook air.

[olive sable]

I will be streaming my desktop

[real sierra]

breathing sand will help smooth any rough edges in your trachea

[olive sable]

Trachea?

Lemme google

[rigid snow]

throat organ mhm

air tube

[real sierra]

tube

[olive sable]

Ahh

In dutch we call that "air pipe"

It is where the air goes

Wait why is shiro distracting us with airpipes?

We need to scale the screeps

[real sierra]

remain weak so i can crush you

💬 like a bug

[glass flower]

i'll scale them tomorrow... i hope nothing breaks while im gone... i will wake up and everything will be totally fine

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

Iirc you can check how much energy you have, so idd do amount of energy - 50 for taxi as budget

[real sierra]

npc invasions every ~100,000 energy collected per room

+ 30,000 or so

[olive sable]

Oh no

[glass flower]

not during safe mode tho. no?

[olive sable]

Im at this

[real sierra]

maybe during safe mode but they wouldnt be able to break anything

[glass flower]

they can't do anything during safe mode. the most they can do is wander around i think

[real sierra]

^

they cant even block your creeps, you can walk thru them

[glass flower]

just looked at the docs... https://docs.screeps.com/defense.html

[real sierra]

and i think they still have lifespans

[real sierra]

a full tower energy supply can deal 3 full creeps worth of damage

[glass flower]

the further away they are tho the less damage a tower will deal

[real sierra]

but ive unfortunately discovered that the dps is too low to kill on its own if there's a healer

[real sierra]

that 3 creeps stat assumes least (150) damage

[glass flower]

[rare bridge]

@real sierra i'm not looking too hot rn

[glass flower]

well.. i'll look into defenses once my safe mode is low

[real sierra]

what happened?

[rare bridge]

my harvesters decided to not even bother and killed themselves

[real sierra]

you gain a new safe mode with every RCL increase so you can probably just pop another one anyway

[real sierra]

PERFECT

[glass flower]

i have one extra

[rare bridge]

just had to reassign my builders to do the jobs of the harvesters

[real sierra]

nice tower cloud

[rare bridge]

it surely has the capacity to defend

[rare bridge]

obviously i don't have enough harvesters deployed

[real sierra]

isnt this a huge issue

given you always ride your controller right along the edge of downgrading

[rare bridge]

yep

[real sierra]

my math says you're back to RCL2 in 2 hours

[rare bridge]

if i don't get my harvesters back online that is

[real sierra]

surely you can fix it in 2 hours

[rare bridge]

maybe the issue is that i have too many...

OH

MY CREEPS HAVE JUST BEEN SITTING AT MY FUCKING ENERGY SOURCES DOING NOTHING

NO WONDER THEY DIED OFF

[real sierra]

they're full and still collecting

can never have enough

must've grown up during hard times

wtf

sam has roads

this looks awesome

[rare bridge]

okay now my creeps actually do something

[stark needle]

#programming became #screeps now lmao

[real sierra]

oh dear how did that happen

what a travesty

more importantly

when are you joining screepsfest

[olive sable]

Where is this?

[real sierra]

^

[olive sable]

I never saw that in #programming

Oh its from 2am

[real sierra]

you're asleep a lot of the time

[olive sable]

I do sleep sometimes

[real sierra]

not very programmer-like of you

[olive sable]

Im on vacation rn

The no-lifing is for when im back

[rare bramble]

all creep handling and spawning code is now spawn agnostic, and my spawn state is finally usable

[real sierra]

juho isnt writing typedefs?

also dear god that looks bad

[olive sable]

Btother, that code looks more shit thdn my game engine

And believe le my game engine is complete garbage

[rare bramble]

I mean it did require me to rework my base state struct

[real sierra]

idek why its so many lines

it doesnt look like unnecessary code

[rare bridge]

fields 'spawn' and 'room' are never

[olive sable]

Aight i am back at the apartment cuz it started raining, time for more screeps

[real sierra]

🔥

im kinda worried

if the attack groups get bigger, idk if i can win

invaders might roll me

[bright scaffold]

Which DE should I install on my main pc...?

[olive sable]

Collective front?
Can uou work toghether in screeps?

[real sierra]

ok i gotta go to work

[bright scaffold]

I think about xfce4, kde or lxqt because i dont want to spend a lot of time for settings

[real sierra]

theres nothing built in for it

[bright scaffold]

[real sierra]

but theres nothing saying you can't either

just gotta code the functionality

[olive sable]

Whitelist code

[real sierra]

it would be annoying refactoring

[olive sable]

If owner == "shiro-nya"

[bright scaffold]

Im about arch linux

[real sierra]

no more creeps.find(FIND_HOSTILE_CREEPS)

no more if (!room.controller.my)

[olive sable]

Bwaa

[real sierra]

tho

i think i can add a whitelist to my expansion code quite easily

[olive sable]

Cant you just && owner != shiro_nya ?

[real sierra]

so we won't consider whitelisted players' rooms as targets

[real sierra]

not adding that to the 300 places in my code that would need it

in practice id probably write wrappers for the find methods

that filter before returning

[olive sable]

Just make a whitelist module ig?

[real sierra]

but why

i gain nothing

[olive sable]

Idk

[real sierra]

i can only take on so much tech debt

my codebase is up to like

20 modules

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

no vcs needed

[olive sable]

What are you doing???

[real sierra]

one per creep role

a bunch of utils for managing spawning, etc

and some other things related to expansion

[rare bramble]

shut up rust analyzer

[real sierra]

[rare bridge]

where do you think you're doing

[olive sable]

Grammar 💯

[real sierra]

none

[rare bridge]

idle

[olive sable]

bro is a couch patato

[real sierra]

watching cloud pour two days into the job scheduler just for it to idle all of their creeps to death is peak screeps

[rare bridge]

there's just no jobs to do rn

i could, of course, just do this

[real sierra]

the controller:

[olive sable]

we love the controller

[real sierra]

the controller gives me wonderful things

like new rooms

[rare bridge]

consider the creeps to be doing stuff now

[real sierra]

if you insist

[real sierra]

I JUST left home

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

hopefully we win

@rare bridge battle status

[olive sable]

shiro you're expanding?

[real sierra]

I wrote the code and they kinda just did that idk

they said it was the best room

they know better than I do about these things

[rare bridge]

fucking GONE

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

ded

[real sierra]

oh

they're gone not me

[olive sable]

lmao

[rare bridge]

yeah they're gone om

[olive sable]

noo my code didnt save cuz i checkd on shiro

fuccck

[real sierra]

done that many times

I now spam ctrl-s after every line

[olive sable]

hotel lost power lmao

im back

[real sierra]

what kinda 2 star hotel

[olive sable]

stars?

wdym stars?

[inner pike]

[olive sable]

do you think im paying for all that?

[real sierra]

brother I pay minimal rent and even I get electricity

[olive sable]

its $10 per night here so uhhh

[real sierra]

money laundering ahh

[olive sable]

10 per night per person, so 4x5x10

[real sierra]

$10/night doesn't even cover wages

[olive sable]

ye everything is in cash here, almost ever store and apertment and shit

its all laundering

[real sierra]

nah that's a front

[opaque sigil]

fun fact, the hotel we stayed at in berlin during a school trip turned out to be run indirectly by north korea

[real sierra]

the owner should be in jail

[opaque sigil]

who could've possibly guessed that with the embassy right next to it

[olive sable]

the owner is friendly tho, he owns a store infront of the hotel

tbh im pretty sure this place is not completely legal but the people are nice so who cares

anyways, i want to add a return to a module function, can i just do return 0; ?

this fine?

also what is this grave?

Position: 36, 5
Decay in: -286
Death time: 301 ticks ago

negative decay?

[rare bridge]

tf

[olive sable]

[inner pike]

You created Jesus in Screeps

Hes coming back in 3 days

[olive sable]

i didnt give my miner a carry, he has no storage

fixed taxi code partly

[inner pike]

fuck somebody took the room i was looking at yesterday

i should have just taken it yesterday

fml

[olive sable]

[inner pike]

@rare bramble 🖕

[olive sable]

[rare bramble]

oh, i took your room

[inner pike]

yeah

i was gonna go there

[rare bramble]

yoinks

[inner pike]

i posted about that room yesterday lmao

what if i just take E32N37

even though some other guy has his miners there already

Why are some of the novice areas red and some green ?

[inner pike]

@olive sable What do you think ?

[olive sable]

sure, but crazyyfish might kill you

[inner pike]

Well aslong as i manage to free up E37N36 fast enough

:)

[opaque wharf]

My god that was a long back read

Not as bad as usual tho with 250+

[inner pike]

Can you get attacked by other players while in a novice area ?

[olive sable]

yei think so

[inner pike]

i went and looked it up and apparently nobody else can enter your own room while novice area is active

[olive sable]

so ig the invaders from shiro are all just bots?

[inner pike]

https://docs.screeps.com/start-areas.html

[inner pike]

Yes

welp the guys creeps came right back to my place

and i cant even self destruct and respawn now because his creeps are in the room

Wait i can respawn

yeah i think ill maybe just wait for the server from cloudburst afterall since it looks like there are litterally no good spawns left anywhere nearby

fml

i should have just claimed that room yesterday

[rare bridge]

i'm gonna have to make that server eventually

[inner pike]

yeah

[olive sable]

do it friday

im home then

[opaque wharf]

Do you need help with anything?

Because someone pointed me to this thing, but it needs your steam credential I think. So either you need web api key, or use the steam client to authenticate to steam
https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/SteamCMD

[rare bridge]

they're all very busy

[rough bloom]

I can also offer my help
I already have a private server running but it's at 10 ticks/s

[rare bridge]

how are you running it?

[olive sable]

how do i make the outside for loop for my sources go to the next one if i find a miner that already has it? rn i have this but idk how to make it continue

[opaque wharf]

Shuni: Offers help
Cloud: "How?"
Shuni: Leaves

Chad

[opaque wharf]

Continue

[olive sable]

wont continue only do the inside for loop?

[inner pike]

@rough bloom

[opaque wharf]

Put it before the inside loop. Or break from the inside loop

[rough bloom]

sorry was busy for a second

[noble zodiac]

depending on the language you can label a break/continue to outer loops

[desert wave]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Statements/label
then you can specify what you're continuing

[olive sable]

huh

okay

[rough bloom]

Natively running the nodejs based server using Nodejs 12, native dependencies compiled with GCC 9
everything built and managed using NixOS

[noble zodiac]

ew nodejs

fokin disgusting

[rare bridge]

[olive sable]

fixed

if (miners.length < 2)
{
    let screepname = 'miner_' + Game.time;
    if (Game.spawns['Spawn1'].spawnCreep([WORK], screepname, {memory: {role: 'miner'}}) == 0)
    {
        Game.creeps[screepname].memory.source = source.id;
        console.log('new miner: ' + screepname);
    }
    
    let sources = Game.creeps[screepname].room.find(FIND_SOURCES);
    loopsources: for (source in sources)
    {
        loopminers: for (miner in miners)
        {
            if (miner.memory.source == source.id)
            {
                continue loopsources;
            }
        }
    }
}

[noble zodiac]

can one test screeps code without the actual game?

[olive sable]

probably

you have the free demo online

https://screeps.com/a/#!/sim

[noble zodiac]

it only accepts javascript tho

[olive sable]

screeps code is js?

[noble zodiac]

crazy how a single word can suck all interest out of my body

[opaque sigil]

you can do wasm too technically

[olive sable]

true

[opaque sigil]

but then you get to deal with wasm

[noble zodiac]

sadly I'm used to that shitshow

[olive sable]

my taxi isnt delivering my 2nd miner bwaa

[opaque wharf]

But the community have a great effort to support other language too at least

[rigid snow]

https://fxtwitter.com/vercel/status/1942575687761813910?s=46

Vercel (@vercel)

NuxtLabs, creators of Nuxt and Nitro, are joining Vercel.
︀︀
︀︀Same license, roadmap, and open governance, but now in a joint mission to build the best web.

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ain’t no fucking way

[opaque wharf]

Oh god no

I use nuxtlab specifically to avoid vercel

Welp, back to raw vue it is

[opaque sigil]

[rigid snow]

[noble zodiac]

I have a wasm model written in rust that implements a lisp. Surely thats good for creeps cpu cycles to go lisp > rust > js

[opaque wharf]

If it all boils down to wasm, the overhead is probably not that differ from using other language to begin with

[tender river]

today i've realized why algebraic effects is all the rage after realizing effect handlers can be considered "quoting code, processing it, and then evaling it" but are limited in most languages with effects because researchers are afraid of what they have created

[noble zodiac]

quoting and backquoting are one of the coolest features

[tender river]

so runWithHandler(h, someCode) really means (h (quote someCode))

most languages instead just do call/cc which is really not that exciting

[noble zodiac]

tbf its just so much easier in lisp with code just being lists

[tender river]

to be fair, it's call/cc + dynamic environments

which is just a tiny bit more exciting but algebraic effects can do so much more

[left solstice]

The game looks really fun but I don't know if I can play it. Would Core 2 duo 3.00 GHz x64, 8 GB ram and Integrated GPU be enough to play it?

The game looks simple but anything slightly more complex than deltarune struggles to run at 30 fps

[rigid snow]

core 2 duo is crazy

[rigid snow]

cpu older than some chatters here

[left solstice]

Its not as bad as some of the other core 2 duos. This one is 3.00 GHz and x64

[left solstice]

January 2008 is crazy

[olive sable]

I have a bug wirh assigning a source to my new miner screeps

[left solstice]

you're not wrong

[olive sable]

If i dont fix it i will die as soon as the miners die of old age

[opaque wharf]

Mmmm, I love software gore

[trim valve]

nice shaders

[opaque sigil]

at least you got a pretty gradient

[delicate sedge]

Does anyone know how Neuro was originally made to Play OSU?
Was it machine learning or something else?

[rare bramble]

oh hey! we have basically the same code, mine is just a little more... rust-like

I still need make a more egonomic interface for interacting with creep memory and doing stuff with the base state

[opaque wharf]

Yeay, finally the latest kernel fix the issue with my monitor brightness

[warped narwhal]

Who's up for a match?

[delicate sedge]

I am, which mode are we playing on?

[warped narwhal]

standard, no clock

[delicate sedge]

No clock, alright
I'm ready when you are

[warped narwhal]

:bishop_white: :king_white: :knight_black: :bishop_white: :rook_white: :queen_black:

[wet oyster]

I've been thinking about getting into screeps, but im not really well versed in high performance programming and my main language is C# followed by typescript.
Is it worth it?

[opaque wharf]

Yes, its just a game after all

But it still teaches you about lots of problem solving

[opaque sigil]

the stack is js, there is no such thing as hpc here

[rare bramble]

setting the JS json value returns a Result boolean? hmm the boolean is probably to see if existing key was overwritten and result for seeing if setting value was successful

Ima check the documentation anyway...

https://tenor.com/view/aintneurway-aintnoway-neuro-sama-gif-5891904396562474502

[opaque sigil]

probably cause you can freeze objects

in which case it'd fail

[rare bramble]

why is it not returned as Err????!??!?

if it fails

??

[opaque sigil]

it doesn't throw an error when you try setting a property on a frozen object

[opaque wharf]

Welcome to JS!

[tender river]

because Result is the mechanism for catching exceptions and bool is the function return value

[opaque sigil]

i guess the Err variant here would be the exception then?

[tender river]

yep

[rare bramble]

I would consider failing to set property Err() worthy

[opaque sigil]

this is a _sys crate, they just mimic what js does 1:1 when possible

[rare bramble]

Js was a mistake

[opaque sigil]

and js doesn't think failing to set is worth throwing for

[wet oyster]

I honestly dont understand why JS wasnt replaced by some other, better language and people stick with it

[opaque sigil]

i guess if it didn't also throw errors maybe but it's not like you can merge those 2 kinds of errors

it did

it's called typescript

[opaque wharf]

JS is perfect as it is

[wet oyster]

Typescript is essentially abstracted away javascript

[opaque sigil]

what

i wonder if they'll ever officially support utf-16 for wasm

[olive sable]

Im at another beach but all i want is to fix my screeps

[opaque sigil]

addicted

[opaque wharf]

Its so Joever for Sam

[delicate sedge]

@warped narwhal Good game, that was a fun one

[warped narwhal]

That was an interesting match

I honestly don't see how you could've gotten past this board

[delicate sedge]

I was stalling a bit at the end, that double queen was annoying to deal with

[warped narwhal]

yeah, I just had a battering ram pointing down the board lmao

[delicate sedge]

Yeah, I was checking every single other board
I had a way to get rid of the queen at one point, but it got countered by a knight several boards away

[delicate sedge]

I was planing to just keep making new boards untill I had an opening

[warped narwhal]

the 5d chess equivelant to a bishop sniping from the other side of the board

[delicate sedge]

Exactly

[olive sable]

Also i need to figure out how superbox's 3090 got delivered.
Cuz it says it got sent to a collection center eventho i sent it to his adress directly

[rare bridge]

delivery driver was lazy

[olive sable]

Bwaa

[rigid snow]

the game engine is doomed

[olive sable]

3090 got sent thousands of kl, only fot a lazy friver to get in its way

I hope its intact

I paid 8 bucks for insurance on it

[olive sable]

Nah i have 3 monitors at home

[tender river]

reproducing language bugs is art

just made this repro for hblang

broken := fn(self: ?[]u8): void {}

main := fn(): u32 loop {
    broken(null)
    broken(null)
    broken(null)
    broken(null)
    broken(null)
    broken(null)
    broken(null)
}

[rigid snow]

i can’t even listen to music while doing something next thing i know is i have spotify fullscreened and am locked in

[opaque sigil]

huh, what does this break

oh there's a loop

[olive sable]

Skill isue

Progress will def lessen if i need to babysit my screeps tho

And as predicted the miner screeps died of old age and broke

[tender river]

it breaks the compiler by making it crash

[wet oyster]

I have 2

[olive sable]

Okay

[tender river]

i'm going to build an incomprehensible tower of abstractions that's gonna put both oop and fp programmers to shame

[olive sable]

My code is all just freestyle, i dont adhere to yalls rules

[tender river]

erf 2.0 is a thing to be feared

[opaque wharf]

See? I told you mlnt, chay will always finds a way to use language in a cursed way

[tender river]

i'm scared of erf 2.0

[rare bramble]

are you gonna recreate the rust weird-exprs for hblang?
https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/blob/master/tests/ui/weird-exprs.rs

[tender river]

it's a language that's going to consist of two parts:

• a lattice-structured module system for manipulating raw terms and structuring programs (most module systems are tree shaped instead smh how boring)
• a layered tower of effects for metaprogramming and for interpreting programs in different contexts
  and i'm VERY scared of both parts but i thought this through and it sounds realistic

the thing that does not sound realistic is proper error messages, i'm just going to ignore this for now but i'll revisit it later

[olive sable]

I made my builder screeps fix the fuckup i made

The miner screeps are too far gone rn

The builders shall take over till the curent miners die

[opaque wharf]

Chay, you should start to ask if you should, not if you could

[opaque sigil]

how does a lattice-structed module system even work

no nesting?

[fossil pelican]

I need some

help

Is there some kinda program that can check a hill cipher for coherent words by testing combinations of the alphanumeric alphabet that is used for the hill cipher to some degree

Thats the best way I can word this right now

[tender river]

to put it simply, joins and intersections. To put it in a more complicated way, you can define superclasses by who they precede, you can define subclasses by who they go after (you cant define classes by both their super- and sub- classes). Classes is a bit of a misnomer but the only other words i have for it is "type" or "module".

additionally, you can

• flip a lattice (contravariance)
• sum up lattices (this is kinda like a sum type but for lattices)
• get a product of lattices (same, you have two values, one from the first, one from the second lattices)
• get a join of multiple values
• get a meet of multiple values

the benefit of this module system is that it can easily support recursive definitions by calculating a fixpoint over the distributive lattice since every function is monotonic; then effects come into play which makes it complicated and i haven't fully worked out the details yet

all of the operations that produce a lattice (except flipping the lattice) are lattice homomorphisms, which means they extend the lattice without breaking any existing joins or meets

this means each effect can extend the type system with new types and outer types will keep working as-is

i have no idea how well unifying types and modules is going to work i just have a hope it is gonna work

or rather, i'm not exactly unifying them

its a bit more complicated than that

[opaque sigil]

iiiiiinteresting

[tender river]

think of it that way - a module system is a preprocessor that provides an environment to programs and converts a modular program into a single program in the core calculus

[opaque sigil]

unfortunately i'm too dumb to fully grasp this

[fossil pelican]

Its lookin like no one can help me with

[tender river]

so am i

[fossil pelican]

This is hopeless

[tender river]

also, i will heavily rely on type inference, and by heavily i mean programs won't even get a type until they're compiled

[opaque wharf]

Given what you're describing, typescript approach may work. "We tried, but fails"

[tender river]

rest assured i know typescript

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, but then you need to run the module anyway

[tender river]

typescript doesnt actually have proper sum and product types

[opaque wharf]

Yeah nah, I'm not thinking about it now. Back to work I go

[noble zodiac]

huh, I kinda broke the rust compiler

wait, I'm freaking stupid

[tender river]

@rare bridge @cobalt vessel @open copper

[noble zodiac]

there still is no way to return an error from an iterator without collecting it, right?

[tender river]

ty mods

[tender river]

you can collect it into Result<Vec<>> but yes, you may want something like https://docs.rs/fallible-iterator/

in practice probably just use a for loop

[noble zodiac]

I could do some weird fold nonsense

[trim valve]

as much as I hate it chatgpt or the like could probably cook something up

[fossil pelican]

Im getting a chatgpt account and testing this theory

Im on a mission and that is a good mission

[olive sable]

I ate

Time to check on the screeps

[fossil pelican]

breakfast

[rare bramble]

I have officially crossed over 1000 lines of boilerplate code
maybe some day I can program actual screeps logic

[olive sable]

Superbox has received the 3090

[blazing hound]

The hate on ChatGPT is well-deserved tbf.

But not for the reasons other people expect.

If I put this into some sort of a comparison, you essentially have a child grow to a certain point, then you kill it off and use its nervous system to run some sort of a programming.

[noble zodiac]

someone get the bingo card

[scarlet arch]

[tender river]

ah yes poor chatgpt

[olive sable]

I fixed my taxi code

Coding on phone is absolute dogshit

[steel mesa]

wtf is screeps

i keep seeing it and it looks like a cool game

oh nevermind

[rigid snow]

i think it’s called “adhd” but i’m not sure, maybe “skill issue” is the correct term after all

[rare bramble]

[fossil pelican]

Does stuff for decoding Hill Ciphers usually take long

[steel mesa]

its a cipher

bruteforcing without a proper code is gonna take weeks

[fossil pelican]

I made a test ciphertext

[steel mesa]

specially the type of thing you're putting thru the cipher

[fossil pelican]

hmm

and there is no way to optimize this

[steel mesa]

probably there is

[fossil pelican]

dumbass program was trying to check all the billions of combinations

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[fossil pelican]

Cool I have embed perms

Does anyone here specialize in matrices

[steel mesa]

go study

[fossil pelican]

No

[noble zodiac]

do you ever just have to create hash collisions? cuz thts me right now

[tender river]

38762cf7f55934b34d179ae6a4c80cadccbb7f0a

[noble zodiac]

I think? that I have implemented a hash array mapped tree in lisp. Maybe

[north grove]

someone who knows the api better than me

is the llm aware of actions at all with "silent": true

and does can she decide not to respond to"silent": false

(i know it can be overriden by other actions, but can it be straight up ignored)

[tender river]

"the api"? as in, the neuro sdk api?

[north grove]

ye

[tender river]

please dont be so vague when asking questions next time, anyway i think all it means it she wont be prompted to respond to it but it will be sent to her

kinda the same as chat messages, she doesnt actively respond to every message but the messages get sent to her

ultimately vedal is the only one who really knows but thats how it works from what i understand

[north grove]

ok then

thx

[gritty dust]

yo is sam online?

I have big news

[amber fractal]

Probably not, the beach episode claimed him

[gritty dust]

damn

[stark needle]

[gritty dust]

wait I just realized what beach episode??

[stark needle]

#programming needs their own programming paradigm

[amber fractal]

He just said "tomorrow is beach episode"

[gritty dust]

lol

[amber fractal]

Small edits later, and [ 1 2 4 8 16 3 5] is my output of produce the same number as imputed where only the first 5 were trained on

Well well well. It seems like it is time for the stress test now

No overfitting, as when calling backwards again it actually threw me an error because I forgot to handle a 0 size case.

[amber fractal]

When I bother to write the stress test, it'll be to echo back the number. But I'm not giving it the powers of two. It's goal will be to figure out that part on it's own.

[olive sable]

i am here

this hotel has 3mbps apparently, just tested it

the previous one had 400mbps

at home i get 100

its 3mbps down, but 25 up so idk what the logistics here are

[rigid snow]

3mbps is enough. when it starts to suck is if the speed test initialization times out

[olive sable]

it was 3mbps when the website loaded

seems to be a bit turbulant

[fast pagoda]

most domestic traffic is just downloads so the upload has more bandwidth available even tho usually the upload side is the one that gets throttled to hell if you don't have symmetrical service

[hard raptor]

Crust > Rust

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

hi screeps channel

just got off work

[amber fractal]

@gritty dust he here

[olive sable]

i am here?

[gritty dust]

YOOO ok sam I got my github account back

YES

[real sierra]

[gritty dust]

i am happy

[olive sable]

nice

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

memory leak L

[real sierra]

how did I get a memory leak in JavaScript

🥀

[gritty dust]

they didn't even tell me why it was banned for 5 months they just said "sorry for the inconvenience" like brooo

[olive sable]

i have 2/2048Kb

[real sierra]

I had 7/2048 when I went to work

I am so confused

[olive sable]

you cant tell me its not a memory leak and are actually using 2MB

[real sierra]

you know what

[olive sable]

it hs to be a mem leak

[real sierra]

there was probably a stupid corner case with spawning

I bet the spawn queue has like

300 entries

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

my biggest worry tho is

if this means my code stopped running...

then if there were enemies...

i did get another raid but I also won it seems so

I think I'm fine?

but I bet all my creeps died by now

[olive sable]

nah

i see like 8 screeps moving about

[real sierra]

what

how

[olive sable]

and your canon has energy

[real sierra]

maxed mem should break things big time

my state machine must be so broken

[olive sable]

i ount like 10 on your main square

[real sierra]

that's normal numbers

idk how tho

feels like I'm being lied to about my memory and cpu use

[hard raptor]

How bout

:(){ :|:& };:

[real sierra]

classic fork bomb

[hard raptor]

Or removing french language pack

sudo rm -fr /* --no-preserve-root

[rare bramble]

🐥 🚬 removing the french language

[real sierra]

juho

how's your screeping

[steel mesa]

so you're telling me this "screeps" game runs on code

and you can... kill?

[real sierra]

yup

that's right

[steel mesa]

whats the language

or is it interactive blocks

[real sierra]

not blocks

in practice almost every common language can be used

[rare bramble]

my screeps:

[olive sable]

its js

pretty fun tho

[real sierra]

the game lets you use JavaScript in-game but accepts wasm binary modules which you can compile from many languages

[olive sable]

least shit js experience so far

[real sierra]

juho is using rust

someone earlier was using C#

[opaque sigil]

gotta respect the rust dedication

i could never

[steel mesa]

can we asm?

[real sierra]

you can write raw wasm

sure

[rigid snow]

it's wat, wasm is the binary format

[steel mesa]

eeeeeeh

[olive sable]

wasm

[steel mesa]

its tempting but

[opaque sigil]

you can write wasm too

[steel mesa]

coding has led me to some pretty bad places

[rigid snow]

most non-confusing web standard btw

[steel mesa]

if it were free i'd try ngl

[real sierra]

it's $5 or so

[opaque sigil]

do asm -> decompiled c -> wasm

[steel mesa]

7

[real sierra]

half off rn

[steel mesa]

ahhh fuck it

[real sierra]

[steel mesa]

if i have a chance at coding might aswell have fun with it

[real sierra]

@olive sable do you suggest the tutorials

[olive sable]

yes

[steel mesa]

i will do the tutorials

i am not that great at coding

[olive sable]

i recomend them cuz i didnt know js before

[rare bramble]

but to be fair, i'm so close to having everything done in a way where I can focus on pure screeps logic and state management. I'm sure pretty much all of the boilerplate required for Rust - Js interaction is surely done ( )

[real sierra]

[steel mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/praying-crying-downfall-sad-tears-praying-gif-7785197299162436598

that makes it sound like this game is a nightmare

[real sierra]

ok juho switch to RawMemory instead of Memory

[steel mesa]

haunt me in my fucking sleep

notifications on my phone

[real sierra]

it's only as much of a nightmare as you make it

[steel mesa]

ding ding ding your base is gone

[real sierra]

juho subjected themselves to framework hell

[real sierra]

you can disable notifs if you would rather it be a surprise until you log in next

[steel mesa]

nah man

the thrill of waking up at 3am to prevent raids is the best

[real sierra]

you also only get emails like that if you code them to be sent to you

you can email yourself anything you want

[steel mesa]

im stuck on this

what am i suposed to do

this is too hard

[real sierra]

its just decorative

50% of players just pick the nuclear symbol and colour it yellow and black

[steel mesa]

why is there a pepsi logo

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

in case you want to be Pepsi

Pepsi once had the world's 7th largest navy

I wouldn't mess with them

[rare bramble]

I just toggled random until I found something I thought was cool

[real sierra]

Monte Carlo branding

I must have been leaking about 16kb every 50 ticks to overflow my mem

idk how that could be possible

[steel mesa]

uhhh

sound doko?

do we have to code our own soundtrack?

[real sierra]

yeah no in game music

or sound

game is a giant browser wrapper after all

[olive sable]

i togled random and then said fuck it lesgo

[nocturne olive]

Silliness

[olive sable]

i dont even know what colour i am

[real sierra]

silly

[rigid snow]

browsers can't play music mhm

[olive sable]

ig im blue and purple?

too colourblind for this shit

[steel mesa]

mf why does it return -6?

how am i stuck in the fucking tutorial

is this a sign to refund?

[olive sable]

-6 is recources iirc

not enoughe energy to spawn ht many

[real sierra]

sam has the error codes memorized

[olive sable]

some of them

[real sierra]

huge step towards becoming a walking screeps wiki

[steel mesa]

so im literally stuck at the tutorial

[real sierra]

you just have to wait for the spawner to accumulate more energy

it gets some naturally over time

you would need 200 for that unit

[steel mesa]

okay great now the console just doesnt work

[real sierra]

console commands run at the start of the next game tick

[steel mesa]

this is the tutorial.

i am stuck.

oh thanks

i have to actually click the spawn

[rare bramble]

?

[real sierra]

I thought invalid args was -7

[olive sable]

    OK: 0,
    ERR_NOT_OWNER: -1,
    ERR_NO_PATH: -2,
    ERR_NAME_EXISTS: -3,
    ERR_BUSY: -4,
    ERR_NOT_FOUND: -5,
    ERR_NOT_ENOUGH_ENERGY: -6,
    ERR_NOT_ENOUGH_RESOURCES: -6,
    ERR_INVALID_TARGET: -7,
    ERR_FULL: -8,
    ERR_NOT_IN_RANGE: -9,
    ERR_INVALID_ARGS: -10,
    ERR_TIRED: -11,
    ERR_NO_BODYPART: -12,
    ERR_NOT_ENOUGH_EXTENSIONS: -6,
    ERR_RCL_NOT_ENOUGH: -14,
    ERR_GCL_NOT_ENOUGH: -15,

[real sierra]

there's also two error codes for -6

[real sierra]

invalid target is -7

[real sierra]

honestly godsend of a table

[steel mesa]

yea im just that burnt out with code

i cant really play this game

[olive sable]

i got my builder screeps to finally start repairing my roads, i put repairing shit as hiher priority tho since stuff already started breaking, but now they wont make new roads

[real sierra]

function errFromCode(code) {
const tab = {
    OK: 0,
    ERR_NOT_OWNER: -1,
    ERR_NO_PATH: -2,
    ERR_NAME_EXISTS: -3,
    ERR_BUSY: -4,
    ERR_NOT_FOUND: -5,
    ERR_NOT_ENOUGH_ENERGY: -6,
    ERR_NOT_ENOUGH_RESOURCES: -6,
    ERR_INVALID_TARGET: -7,
    ERR_FULL: -8,
    ERR_NOT_IN_RANGE: -9,
    ERR_INVALID_ARGS: -10,
    ERR_TIRED: -11,
    ERR_NO_BODYPART: -12,
    ERR_NOT_ENOUGH_EXTENSIONS: -6,
    ERR_RCL_NOT_ENOUGH: -14,
    ERR_GCL_NOT_ENOUGH: -15,
};
return Object.keys(tab)[Object
values(tab).findIndex((v) => v == code)];
}

[steel mesa]

hey if anyone wants the game hmu i can give one away

[olive sable]

cant u just refund?

[rare bramble]

oh, you can kill your own screeps (and give them more life)

[steel mesa]

i did

[olive sable]

ahh

[steel mesa]

but if anyone's interested

[real sierra]

renew seems expensive to me

[olive sable]

what is ttl?

[real sierra]

time to live

[olive sable]

time to live?

[real sierra]

if your creep is almost dead you won't get much from it

[olive sable]

aight

[steel mesa]

shiro honestly

im assigning a ttl to you

use it well

its not much

[olive sable]

but i was starting to like shiro

[steel mesa]

give me a reason to let him live

yeah you took too long im reducing his time to live

personally.

[olive sable]

i have multiple chats to reepsond to

ladies, ladies, calm down

there's no need to kill shiro on his birthday

[steel mesa]

yes there is

[rare bridge]

british screeps

[olive sable]

you can kill him when its not his birthday

[olive sable]

wdym?

[rare bridge]

they're queueing

[steel mesa]

friday night on a pub

[rare bridge]

alright, my first container is done, time to put a lil static miner there

[olive sable]

is queueing a british thing?

since when?

[rare bridge]

our favourite pasttime

[olive sable]

the french invented the word queue

i refuse to believe the british are the only ones who queue

[steel mesa]

the french evolved to not use queue

the british didnt

[olive sable]

tbh i still dont get it