programming

[rare bridge]

150 damage per tick for anything in the room

it can also repair

[olive sable]

im trying to figure how to taxi the screeps

[sharp mantle]

https://fixupx.com/BennettBuhner/status/1942326455041679700 Grok4 release in <t:1752116400:R> . That could give Google enough time to drop their own model just before 🙂

BenIt Pro (@BennettBuhner)

GROK 4 IS COMING ON WEDNSDAY!!!

Quoting Elon Musk (@elonmusk)
︀
Grok 4 release livestream on Wednesday at 8pm PT @xAI

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FixupX · Jul 7, 2025, 8:54 PM

[stark needle]

They alr have gemini 2.5 pro

What do u expect em to drop

[sharp mantle]

3.0 or something else that can beat grok4, the leaks so far show that at humanity's last exam grok4 achieved a score of 45

but we'll see the actual benches soon enough

i think I posted it once already, but heres anyway as ref

i think this gen is in the range of *(a multiple of) 100k gpus for pretraining, correct me if I'm wrong

[mighty nebula]

Sorry, but how good is that result?

[sharp mantle]

for reference gemini 2.5pro reached 21 on HLE

https://agi.safe.ai/
I find it as an very interesting benchmark, so much obscure information is required to solve them for some of the questions (like Here is a representation of a Roman inscription, originally found on a tombstone. Provide a translation for the Palmyrene script.
A transliteration of the text is provided: RGYNᵓ BT ḤRY BR ᶜTᵓ ḤBL )

[olive sable]

screeps serve dying noooooo

[sage crag]

"agi.safe.ai" is certainly a link

[sharp mantle]

yeah the first time I saw it I tought too, but you can just google Humanity's Last Exam

[tender river]

not as good as http://ai/ (too bad it stopped working)

[sage crag]

rip

[sage crag]

the paper is slightly unconventional

[sharp mantle]

did you guys know chat dot com was bought up by openai a while back?

[tender river]

mhm just rebrand openai to "chat"

[sage crag]

i wouldnt take benchmarks of new models on existing benchmarks at face value

they could easily be trained on the 2500 questions and their answers

[sharp mantle]

Isn't it written, that they hold a private set as well?

[tender river]

yeah

We publicly release these questions, while maintaining a private test set of held out questions to assess model overfitting

[real sierra]

wtf again?

is this not NPCs?

is a player attacking me?

[rare bridge]

checking

[tender river]

go kill them shiro

the screeps want blood

[real sierra]

it doesn't say I killed them

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

did I lose..?

[rare bridge]

you're still there??

[real sierra]

1h email caching

[sage crag]

though its a good idea, since the set is private it is a black box, and so its impossible to assess its quality

[rare bridge]

check your event log?

[real sierra]

I'm not home

i just have emails set up for when I encounter hostiles

[tender river]

mhm making benchmarks is tough work so they just want to prolong its relevancy by splitting them into public and private

[opaque wharf]

Question, can I ask for some help to download from a chinese website (Baidu)?

[tender river]

you have to download their client

[opaque wharf]

I know, but I prefer not to do that if I can help it

[real sierra]

what's QIS up to

and does anyone own the rooms adjacent to me

in the novice zone

[tender river]

if you're on linux you can download it using flatpak

[rare bridge]

unable to access you

[tender river]

which at least provides some minimal sandboxing

[rare bridge]

and no

[tender river]

(and you can harden it)

[opaque wharf]

Oh, good to know they're on flatpak. Thanks. The web only provde RPM or DEB

[real sierra]

ok then it must be NPCs

so many raids why

[tender river]

i'm pretty sure it's published unofficially lol

[rare bridge]

i see literally no hostiles

[real sierra]

they're probably dead

[sage crag]

many players but only one shr

[real sierra]

towers are kinda crazy strong

[sage crag]

[tender river]

i know a solution

[opaque wharf]

The things that I do just to get a documentation

[tender river]

clone shiro

multiply him

[sage crag]

shiro does not impl Clone

[rare bridge]

i just finished refactoring my spawner code

[real sierra]

1000 energy capacity @ 10 energy/shot = 100 shots on full charge
150 damage/shot @ max range * 100 shots = 15000 damage total
15000 damage total / 100 HP per creep part = 150 creep parts killed

[rare bridge]

i now have support for multiple spawners

[real sierra]

so if your enemy has a full tower, it will kill at least 3 full-body creeps before you get to it

[tender river]

wha, is reality not a cartesian closed category, i cant believe this

[sage crag]

coffeee makee me sleepy

[tender river]

go sleep then its about time

[sage crag]

11pm not bedtime

2am bedtime

bwa

[tender river]

i dont disagree but no harm in going to sleep earlier either way

[sage crag]

sleep is for the weak and tired

of which i am only tired (not yet weak)

[tender river]

humans require sleep
from these two statements, we can conclude that humans are weak and tired

[sage crag]

i like implicit logical error

[stark needle]

Nuh

[stark needle]

You are weak

[sage crag]

humans sometimes require sleep hence humans are sometimes weak and tired

[sage crag]

your own ai is stronger than you

[tender river]

once when i was in uni someone was trying to open a bottle and i opened it by just using my shirt as a grip and they were like "wow you're so strong" ???

do people really not know the bottle opening tricks

is this the post-llm society we live in

(it was pre-llm but whatever)

[sage crag]

humans are function w/ partial respect to time

[sage crag]

i know a really fast bottle opening trick

[tender river]

logic is timeless and eternal, i will not be taking objections

[stark needle]

i can hold her with 1 hand

[tender river]

i'm afraid your trick will not be good for the bottle's structural integrity

[stark needle]

Also chat

[sage crag]

logic with respect to something stateful is implicitly with respect to whatever the stateful object has respect to

[stark needle]

this insect bite thing is actual black magic

so op

[tender river]

if you want stateful logic you have to use linear logic, but you can encode state in classical logic too you just have to use FP tricks

[stark needle]

U put this on ur insect bite and click the button and somehow ur bites dont itch anymore immediately

[sage crag]

i am stateful but i am not logic, hence i must be a transistor

[stark needle]

basically permanently

[tender river]

objection

you are literally a crt

[sage crag]

how rude

crt is only part of my construction

[olive sable]

shiro my taxi wont work

var roleMiner = require('role.miner');

var roleTaxi =
{
    move: function(creep, targetcreep)
    {
        let source = Game.getObjectById(targetcreep.memory.source);
        
        roleMiner.move(targetcreep, creep);
        if (!creep.pos.isNearTo(targetcreep))
        {
            creep.moveTo(targetcreep);
        }
        else
        {
            creep.pull(targetcreep);
            creep.moveTo(source);
        }
    }
};

module.exports = roleTaxi;

and minercode

var roleMiner =
{
    run: function(creep)
    {
        ...
    },
    
    move: function(creep, hauler)
    {
        creep.move(creep.pos.getDirectionTo(hauler.pos))
    }
};

module.exports = roleMiner;

[sage crag]

im not just the cathode ray tube, im also the phosphor coating, glass, heatsink, chassis

[tender river]

true!

[sage crag]

antennae

[tender river]

these are important

do not lose them

[sage crag]

📡

[stark needle]

konii copes cause she's actually a 🚽👨 character

[tender river]

[olive sable]

konii runs on webos

[sage crag]

i have no software

[olive sable]

lg tv wihtout software, its so over

[sage crag]

blazingly fast analogue circuits

[olive sable]

oldge

[tender river]

please dont tell me they're rusty

[stark needle]

konii literally has official merch

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

shadow was a gen alpha kid this whole time

[olive sable]

my taxi just goes up and down bwaa

its 1am tho si ill leave it at this

[tender river]

1hz i'm not an expert but i would suggest you to consider removing the rust

[rare bridge]

btw i'mma just

in the future, don't screenshot your automodded messages

we consider it bypass

i'm only verballing you here because it's a brainrot filter block

@desert plaza

[desert plaza]

aight

[rare bridge]

it's only blocked cos every discussion on the server would be "i hate this why is it unblocked"

[olive sable]

[rare bridge]

and then i wouldn't be able to play screeps

no-one can stop me from playing screeps

not even vedal

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

i thought he did

[stark needle]

nuhhhh im gen z

[opaque sigil]

[stark needle]

I cant afford an ipad

[olive sable]

You have a xiaxin pad pro 2025 tho

[tender river]

you can afford an old one

[olive sable]

With pen

[rigid snow]

nuh uh that's what parents buy you

you got it all mixed up

[stark needle]

That's a 200$ tablet, a decent ipad air is like 650$

Or i think 700/800 now

[olive sable]

The xiaoxin pad pro 2025 with pen is just as good besides not being oled

[stark needle]

yea true

[rigid snow]

what do you need a "decent" one for, apple hardware is crazy overkill for most tasks

buy the cheapest one that supports the apple pencil gen you need

[olive sable]

Its really not

Just way too expensive

[rigid snow]

it really is

i would be shocked if i EVER struck 100% all cores cpu on my iphone (i do not play games)

like what else do you need this amount of compute for

[stark needle]

to be an ipad kid

[olive sable]

Sure for general use but i need my 360fps clash royal

[sage crag]

1hz is enough for powerpoint

im enterprise ready

[stark needle]

Ill be honest high res art is lsggy asf

Especially when many layers

[rigid snow]

that's gpu

[prime ridge]

Don't flame my 30 hz monitor

[olive sable]

I will

L + ratio + my phone is literally falling apart and has 90

[rigid snow]

i do not own a device higher than 60

[prime ridge]

I mean I don't game on it

[rigid snow]

90hz is battery eating bloat

[tender river]

its also enough for programming if you're not using a gui

[sage crag]

my phone is 120hz because anything under 120 gives me eye strain

[nocturne olive]

Whar you sillying?

[sage crag]

not if you type fast and make frequent errors

[tender river]

i can relate but when i went to oneplus 6 it was surprisingly alright, perhaps because most of my phone use is not about scrolling

[olive sable]

I like big hertz numbers, looks good. Too bad we pont have 4 digits

[rigid snow]

i sentence you to 1hr of 24fps hdr content

[amber fractal]

Maybe I'll not participate in this one

[sage crag]

[amber fractal]

hellos chat

[sage crag]

i read git commits on my phone and hence it needs 120hz

[tender river]

consider upgrading to a 240hz phone

a high refresh rate is very important for reading

[nocturne olive]

You're talking about phone refresh rates?

[rare bridge]

shiro too busy to even think about screeps

[rigid snow]

480hz phone when

[sage crag]

my battery

[amber fractal]

I don't know any higher than 165hz

[olive sable]

[tender river]

batteries are made to explode

[amber fractal]

at least for phone

[sage crag]

i would rather have 480hz oled monitor

but my monitor already heats up the room so

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile me just having a cheap <200€ phone because I barely ever use it

[amber fractal]

I mostly use my phone for all of my social and writing, so I could go with less as long as discord doesn't destroy itself (A tall order for Android)

[sage crag]

bwa

[olive sable]

Mine wasike 250

A52

[sage crag]

500hz display will make me better at osu

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

True

[nocturne olive]

I use it to get internet to remote into my PC

[tender river]

it will also improve your grip and stamina

[sage crag]

someone donate their unused (mint condition) left over 500hz display which you have laying around

[amber fractal]

Hold on, brb got something stupid to test

[rigid snow]

yeah i have 5 laying around, i use them all as doorstops though so no

[sage crag]

do not overclock

[amber fractal]

[tender river]

i have 9 60hz displays does thta count

[wide bluff]

Has anyone heard of a programming school called maestro? I can't tell if it looks legit or shady

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

i will trade you a cinder block

[rigid snow]

i need at least 5

[sage crag]

i only need 1 display

i will ship concrete block to your locale

[opaque wharf]

[olive sable]

Iirc its trivial to overclock a single led to 500hz

[rigid snow]

uhh

[olive sable]

1x1 display

[rigid snow]

it's as trivial to overclock it to 100khz

[amber fractal]

Time to do something stupid yippie

[olive sable]

So 500hz is also trivial

[sage crag]

yes its called "500hz frequency converter"

[sage crag]

its harder than it sounds

[rigid snow]

just get an mcu fast enough

[sage crag]

convert to dc and then convert back to high frequency ac

then uhh diode or something i havent done circuitry in at least 4000 years

[tender river]

last time i did circuitry was.... in kindergarten i guess???

[rigid snow]

that's a statement

[tender river]

time wise not place wise

[sage crag]

the last time i built a circuit, the wires were my body and the components were my motherboard pins

[rigid snow]

still

[tender river]

actually same

[rigid snow]

are you all actually robots

[tender river]

but i dont count it because it didnt work

[sage crag]

(un)cross my heart and hope not to die

[amber fractal]

Picked the wrong display, software fps limit on that one bwaa

[sage crag]

the only way you are getting a conventional display to 500hz if its not already 475hz is if your display is crt

lol

for one, i dont even think dp2 supports that bandwidth at 1080p

maybe dp2.1

[olive sable]

Well... there is a way....
Make your own display

[tender river]

☑️ I am not a robot

[amber fractal]

Who says I'm doing 1080p

[sage crag]

i think this will be less successful than locating someone else with a 500hz display and disappearing them

[sage crag]

8k gaming (8000 pixels)

[olive sable]

There are maybe a couple thousand 500hz displays in the world so idk

[sage crag]

extremely loud incorrect buzzer

[rigid snow]

suspiciously big message chain with no screeps mentions

screeps is over

[real sierra]

holy shir

it really was invaders

[olive sable]

I thought there was only that 1 500hz panel?

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

kill kill kill

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

gamers have lots of their parents money to spend so display companies are rolling in it

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

Im not upto date apparently, the prices have dropped by multiple orders

[real sierra]

still rolled em

[olive sable]

Shiro

My taxis is doing weird shit

[amber fractal]

Bwaa higher software limit

[sage crag]

mrekk has a 600hz panel

[olive sable]

Eeee

[sharp mantle]

might as well use a crt tv if you need 500hz+

[sage crag]

im going to australia to steal that display

[sage crag]

crt has heavy ghosting issues

500hz crt is not comparable to 500hz oled

[tender river]

plundering from australia classic british

[real sierra]

i can share a replay

https://screeps.com/s/D5WbjX

[amber fractal]

I'd just do 217hz 1080p at this point

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/neurosama-evil-neuro-embed-failure-gif-15456327638408323033

[amber fractal]

4k 60hz touchscreen portable display my beloved

[olive sable]

Shiro you also do taxis for bringing miners to the energy source right?

[real sierra]

how else are they getting there

they have no legs

[olive sable]

So how do the taxis carry them? Mine dont work

[real sierra]

did you read the docs

[olive sable]

Ye

[real sierra]

you read the page on creep.pull?

[olive sable]

But its doing this

[real sierra]

The creep must move elsewhere, and the target must move towards the creep.

[sage crag]

i search for 600hz monitor and its all TN panels

[real sierra]

you're not doing the second part

[sage crag]

why would i want a 600hz monitor if its using technology from the stone age

[olive sable]

I should be

[tender river]

why did the cavemen build 600hz monitors

[sage crag]

its the same display tech that digital clocks use

[sage crag]

osu

[tender river]

thats true

[real sierra]

show code

[olive sable]

Eer

var roleMiner = require('role.miner');

var roleTaxi =
{
    move: function(creep, targetcreep)
    {
        let source = Game.getObjectById(targetcreep.memory.source);
        
        roleMiner.move(targetcreep, creep);
        if (!creep.pos.isNearTo(targetcreep))
        {
            creep.moveTo(targetcreep);
        }
        else
        {
            creep.pull(targetcreep);
            creep.moveTo(source);
        }
    }
};

module.exports = roleTaxi;

and minercode

var roleMiner =
{
    run: function(creep)
    {
        ...
    },
    
    move: function(creep, hauler)
    {
        creep.move(creep.pos.getDirectionTo(hauler.pos))
    }
};

module.exports = roleMiner;

[tender river]

its one of the few pastimes in caves

[amber fractal]

I have zero errors with the displays due to clock errors

[sage crag]

aside from caving

eating moss

[real sierra]

[opaque sigil]

https://videocardz.com/newz/sdc-reveals-first-oled-gaming-monitor-with-720hz-mode found your dream monitor

[real sierra]

reread the docs for Creep.move

https://docs.screeps.com/api/#Creep.move

[amber fractal]

25hz vs 30hz (the latter functions)

[sage crag]

0.03ms response time is almost as fast as me

finally, a usable monitor

[rigid snow]

this panel does appear to display an image, which means it’s working perfectly

[sage crag]

primary use in a modern art museum

[opaque sigil]

i'm waiting for tcl to bring their new monitors to eu

[sage crag]

oh my god what is that creature

[tender river]

going down the cave
going back up

[sage crag]

its like hashing

or maybe hashing is like caving

need more expert opinions on this matter

[olive sable]

Is it just the order thats wrong?

[sage crag]

i want to eat it

[tender river]

no caves are actually isomorphic to hashes

[real sierra]

when pulling, you give Creep.move the puller as the parameter

not a direction

[rigid snow]

do you think caves are holes that go perfectly straight down

[opaque sigil]

momos are not for consumption

[sage crag]

looks like it is though

[tender river]

no you still have to walk a lot though

[sage crag]

will consume

[olive sable]

Ahhh. Okay

[opaque sigil]

i have heard they're yummy though

so you might be onto something

[tender river]

and there are plenty of parts that are steep enough that you have to climb

[sage crag]

this means that caving is a solved problem with quantum computing

[rare bramble]

I have logging now, no more reading random creep warnings from console

[real sierra]

console forever

[sage crag]

to all cavemen using legacy caves, you will have to upgrade to quantum-resistant cave algorithms

[olive sable]

Aight gn

1.30am

[real sierra]

gn sam

i just got home and sam leaves

sam hates me

[tender river]

i've been to this cave https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ящик_Пандоры_(пещера) and going back up was straight up hell

[olive sable]

I have my beach episode tomorrow, i need to be up in time

[sage crag]

dont forget to have ice cream

and also swim in suspiciously blue water

[olive sable]

Wgen im back from vacation i can be up till 10am

[sage crag]

oh my god i just thought of

like its a miku and a red circle around the miku, and a line that points to a sparkly blue ocean, with the caption "is it worth it"

[olive sable]

Its absolutly is

[amber fractal]

Please never use 25hz or 61-63hz, it does not end well

[olive sable]

Aight bye

[sage crag]

isopod

i feel very hadopelagic zone today

[tender river]

so cute

[sage crag]

https://youtu.be/RJ1C1N4OG9s
hadopelagic isopod

[amber fractal]

Jokes aside, I know I'm bandwidth at 1080p and above, I'm software limited at 720p. Part of me wonders if I skip the usb-c part if I can get more bandwidth.

[sage crag]

woodlouce is seafood

[tender river]

have you played barotrauma (the solo experience is not that good the game is like the deep sea version of ss13)

[sage crag]

i have not played barotrauma

but i did think of the word barotrauma before thinking of isopods

[amber fractal]

who gave a 60hz display 0.1hz response time

[sage crag]

i wonder if isopods taste like crabs

hm

[real sierra]

screep

[sage crag]

sleep screep sleep screeps

[real sierra]

words to live by

[sage crag]

i propose an equation, E = mc² + screeps, where

[tender river]

linkedin is so funny

[real sierra]

@rare bridge did crazyfish change their badge

that would mean they're active

[sage crag]

mrrow

[tender river]

words to live by

[rare bridge]

they also relinquished their reservation of that one room and moved it

adding another 250 energy to my available spawner capacity

[real sierra]

what are they cooking

[rare bridge]

i can also now build a tower

[real sierra]

you should

for the reasons i said above

if you have a full energy tower, it can kill at least 3 creeps before reloading

which is pretty damn good

[rare bridge]

i'm writing code to support the existence of one now

[real sierra]

i dont like that i've been invaded twice in one day

[sage crag]

awawa

[real sierra]

fixed my road code

now they'll stop building roads under my extensions

[sage crag]

turn all tiles into roads

[real sierra]

maintenance cost:

[sage crag]

faster screeps faster energy faster maintenance

[real sierra]

energy source extraction limits:

[sage crag]

colonise faster with roads

[real sierra]

GCL room limit:

[sage crag]

get to gcl2 faster with roads

[real sierra]

but you dont have the roads thats the problem

you need the GCL first

[sage crag]

add the roads anyway

[real sierra]

chiken before egg

[sage crag]

how else get egg

by get chicken

i could be an egg

[real sierra]

this road network is

...something

minimal requirements ahh

[sage crag]

shiro are you egg

[real sierra]

i dont feel very egg like

i feel more like

a specimen

[sage crag]

like, in formaldehyde?

preserved shiro

[real sierra]

clouds roads

• neat

• organized

• very straight

• sensible layout

my roads

• ???

• random layout

• rubble everywhere

• weird branches and dead ends

[sage crag]

the cloud in cloudburst stands for neat and orderly roads

[real sierra]

Carefully Laid Out Utility Driveways

i just told my builders "make sure every structure is adjacent a road"

i let them figure out the details

[sage crag]

speccing into programing gives an additional passive buff to acronym making

[real sierra]

possibly a mistake

[real sierra]

im math student technically

[sage crag]

surely delegating thinking to screeps (small brain, and stupid) is a good idea

[real sierra]

my screep are very smart

and brave too

when the invaders came the first time

a builder went to fix the wall

and ate ranged attacks

but never deviated from their task

[sage crag]

would your screeps thrive in law

[honest scaffold]

literally european cities vs american cities

[mental tusk]

tru

[real sierra]

screeps urban sprawl

[sage crag]

screeps economic divide

[real sierra]

logistics is so much faster with these new roads

but also traffic jams

[sage crag]

screeps should use pheromones to reduce pathfinding costs

ant screeps

[real sierra]

someone was gonna try that

i think it was @scarlet arch

but the resource limitations make phermones quite hard

[sage crag]

no gpu kernel in screeps

this is unfair

[real sierra]

bet

[prime ridge]

Omg happy birthday shiro 😂😂😂

[sage crag]

does screeps let you use web workers

[real sierra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

you are being sacrificed

[prime ridge]

Thats alright

[sage crag]

🤔

[real sierra]

wait no i dont want to

give me a reason not to

[sage crag]

more time sacrificing is less time doing screeps

[real sierra]

[prime ridge]

I unironically code in brainfuck

[real sierra]

you've gone through enough in life

sacrifice not necessary

[sage crag]

you've gone through enough in life

[prime ridge]

That's very true

[sage crag]

sacrifice will end the suffering

[prime ridge]

Hopefully

[sage crag]

i am a figment

[prime ridge]

Wrote an IO library for brainfuck

Does video and audio

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

why

[prime ridge]

Cuz funnie

[sage crag]

[prime ridge]

Monochrome video tho lol

[sage crag]

im not sure if i would call it IO, maybe media?

[prime ridge]

Well I tried doing networking

But started to go mental

[sage crag]

networking is hard in high level languages

[prime ridge]

So I stopped

[prime ridge]

Right...

Implementing IEEE was rough

[sage crag]

[prime ridge]

Somebody tell Vedal (about localsend)

[real sierra]

slowly fixing my scouting program

found a bug where a dead scout wuold stay assigned to a room scouting task and prevent new ones being assigned

[real sierra]

programming still doesnt understand the joy of screeps

its such a vast, granular problem

that you can solve however you want

"but that just sounds like work" what are you doing in the programming channel then you're not about to convince me you think all coding is work when you hang out talking about it for all your free time

again

[rigid snow]

name goes hard

[jagged turtle]

what

[real sierra]

people saying no to screeps because it "sounds like work"

[jagged turtle]

confused face

[real sierra]

as written

[jagged turtle]

what exactly is wrong with screeps that makes it sound like work

[real sierra]

im as confused as you are

thats why im bamboozled

a bunch of ppl filed it away for being too much like work

because there's coding

ig

[jagged turtle]

l m a o

[sage crag]

programming in #programming channel

banned

[opaque sigil]

[desert wave]

no programming in the #how-do-i-make-my-own-neuro channel

[lapis wraith]

gamifing programming? Damm we fell off

[random igloo]

learn programming through pain and suffering

[jagged turtle]

Did you mean: #1095948590947500113?

[lapis wraith]

Straight to assembly you go

[jagged turtle]

asm

[hoary lion]

what in the

new person a lot

[real sierra]

[amber fractal]

apollo

[prime ridge]

Yoooo

How's the AI framework, Iggly?

[amber fractal]

Not much progress, been diverting attention to other tasks

odds are if I spent two days on it, I might get a useful and functional demo.

Quite the overhaul, but in exchange I actually make these into not hardcoded objects.

[nocturne olive]

I wonder if I should retrain NeuroSynth once immediately after I get the new 3090 just to test it, or use something like RVC to test it instead

[amber fractal]

new NeuroRVC

If I had more data for the voice project I'd offer to use that as a stresstest for NeuroSynth

[nocturne olive]

That would be silly

[nocturne olive]

We already made V12 quite recently, we'll see

[amber fractal]

Due to outside situations that one is on indefinite hiatus, shame it had to be this way after 1/6th of the length needed for decent training.

[nocturne olive]

Unfortunate

[amber fractal]

No longer have a quiet room to record in, that's the reason

[nocturne olive]

Oh

That is indeed very external

Some kind of constant outside noise?

[amber fractal]

Can't do it during the day due to dogs, can't do it at night due to shared bedroom.

I started on the project while the other person was away.

[rare bridge]

didn't manage to finish programming the tower today

it'll be finished construction by the time i wake up anyway

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

[amber fractal]

My only other option might be to start another dataset using my normal voice. At least then dogs wouldn't have much of an effect as I can yap for hours and just cut out when they notice I'm in triggering range.

I might as well have it if I'm going to do all of them eventually

[nocturne olive]

It could still create some sort of silliness

[amber fractal]

Honestly, yeah. My vocal range seems to just be uncapped.

I love switching between 3 entirely different pitch ranges in a single sentence automatically.

[nocturne olive]

You could probably easily try both speaking and singing for the dataset

[amber fractal]

Yeah I definitely can, I'll see if the opportunity reveals itself

[nocturne olive]

Still leaves the question of what to use for testing the 3090 under sustained training load

[real sierra]

uh oh

im in trouble

im actually in danger

big time

my screeps

its a full on war

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-phantom-menace-droid-army-naboo-gif-15588671

attackers defeated

[jaunty arch]

I'm not sure what your asking. There is a better for of w-okada tho.
https://github.com/deiteris/voice-changer
https://docs.aihub.gg/rvc-voice-changer/local/deiteris-w-okada-fork/

[real sierra]

screeps..?

links

[unkempt citrus]

What's the s for in screeps

Cos creeps is old rts terminology right

[real sierra]

scripted

[unkempt citrus]

Small? Self?

Scripted works

Screepted

[real sierra]

after all, the point of the game is writing code to control them

things are going well

[opaque wharf]

Too well?

[real sierra]

claimed my second room

claimer worked well*

[fast pagoda]

this feels illegal

[real sierra]

-# *after claiming the controller, it tried to unclaim it

[glass flower]

man.. i haven't heard of screeps in years... glad to see people still play it

[real sierra]

another screeps player

hop on

i got half the channel into it

cloudburst said they'd spin up a private server in the coming days

[glass flower]

honestly.. i used to play a bit.. before i actually became a programmer. im probably really good now at it

[real sierra]

idk... im a programmer and im not good at it...

[glass flower]

i'd be down for a private server. the issues with public ones is that a lot of people just copy paste code ( )

[amber fractal]

insert <= >= gif

[fast pagoda]

surely nobody would ever copy paste in this channel

[opaque wharf]

Dotnet? Isn't it mono on Linux?

[real sierra]

the novice zones last long enough that im having a good time

besides, i just need to be creative and write better AI than the copy paste

[fast pagoda]

i dunno im installing godot and it said "yeah bro plz get dotnet im begging"

[real sierra]

i can change my code to win against losers who copy code instead of writing code

[fast pagoda]

and microsoft has builds available so

shruggerino

[glass flower]

man.. its been 4 years since i last started screeps

[opaque wharf]

That's not WSL right?

[fast pagoda]

nope

it's my laptop im just rdp into it

[opaque wharf]

Oh well, it is what it is

[fading olive]

Installing SQL Server on linux feels like it should be illegal

[fast pagoda]

im out here just bill gatesing this thing

[glass flower]

isn't dotnet crossplatform anyway?

[fast pagoda]

i got notepad++

[opaque wharf]

It is, but IIRC the linux one is called mono

[glass flower]

oh wait.. i see what is happening

[opaque wharf]

It's also possible I misremember shit

[glass flower]

mono is something different to dotnet iirc

[fast pagoda]

mono is like

a rebuild of .net

[fading olive]

Ya, like OpenJDK and Sun JDK

[real sierra]

[opaque wharf]

Ohhh

[fast pagoda]

before .net was available for linux

[real sierra]

adesi, what language would you use if you played screeps again

[fast pagoda]

.net core wasnt till like

2015

which is the one that runs on linux right from microsoft

[glass flower]

there are other languages than javascript?

[fast pagoda]

typescript maybe

[glass flower]

(in screeps)

[fast pagoda]

highly different

[real sierra]

you can upload wasm modules, so there's lots of third party build tools for compiling various langs to wasm

[opaque wharf]

A dude gone for days here just so he can use rust

[real sierra]

e.g. @rare bramble is writing in rust

[glass flower]

[fast pagoda]

he's in a cave with a box of scraps

[glass flower]

honestly... c# would probably work great for screeps

[real sierra]

@rough bloom is using clojurescript

@rare bridge is using typescript

[amber fractal]

The pinging of all time smh

[real sierra]

(Sorry for pings, im sharing your cool projects ❤️ )

[fast pagoda]

what's vedal using

[opaque wharf]

I was gonna say that

[real sierra]

good question

i dont know unfortunately

[fast pagoda]

damn if only someone could ask

[real sierra]

yeah if only

anyway

[glass flower]

judging by everything... probably c#

[real sierra]

you should play screeps

c#

[opaque wharf]

He did use a lot of C#

[glass flower]

im doing the tutorial again

(in screeps)

[opaque wharf]

For neuro anyway

[real sierra]

https://github.com/thomasfn/ScreepsDotNet

[fast pagoda]

lol

rreading these docs

yeah bro set up grunt bro

[real sierra]

my child will use vcs

my child 📁 📁 📁

[opaque wharf]

Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time

Grunt, gulp

[fast pagoda]

im out here running my jake tasks

my name is jake so i am partial to those

[opaque wharf]

Nowadays I just write my own script and run it using tsx + pnpm lol

[fast pagoda]

manually type each command every build

[glass flower]

i think i'll be using this then.. does seem like a good starting point

[real sierra]

a new screepser

a few of us are floating around in the novice zone around E38N38 shard3

[glass flower]

but i might just start by using javascript and then maybe later switch to c#
i like how fast and easy javascript can be, even without typesafety

[opaque wharf]

If shard3 is down again, we know who to blame

[opaque wharf]

Beware of the undefined

[real sierra]

i didnt think this far ahead

i have a new room but like

how do i

build things in here

[opaque wharf]

Assign a set of creeps to work on the different room

[real sierra]

its not that simple

i dont just have spare creeps hanging around

they're made-to-order

[opaque wharf]

Then always produce more than what is needed

[real sierra]

just enough

either way i gotta figure out how to coerce the current spawning logic

to spawn a unit in one room which is meant for another room

[glass flower]

nvm.. playing the tutorial made me realize why i don't like JS already

[real sierra]

make sure you read the docs religiously

they're rather short

but worth their weight in gold

[glass flower]

man.. playing this brought out the nostalgia when i had no idea how to program anything

[fading olive]

This sounds like a game for people that hate themselves. Hmm, I have some free time to play a game? I guess I'll write some javascript.

[glass flower]

true

[real sierra]

bro do you know what channel you're in

every single person here comes home from work to continue talking about programming

that is to say we all hate ourselves

[fading olive]

If it was lua or something I might be more interested. I'd like to forget everything I know about javascript

[glass flower]

well.. you can probably write in lua

[real sierra]

there are plenty of community-made build tools supporting almost any lang you can think of

as the game supports wasm modules

which most things are happy to compile to

[fading olive]

That just sounds like javascript with extra steps

[real sierra]

thats like saying any language that compiles to an executable is assembly with extra steps

which isnt wrong but doesnt stop you from using it

there's value in the abstraction

[glass flower]

everything is open source if you can read assembly

[fading olive]

Is there a game that can teach me how to read/write assembly? That I might be interested in.

[real sierra]

actual assembly? im not aware of many

but there's lots of things that give you the same experience with a modified or reduced assembly

nandgame, TIS-100, Shenzen.io to name a few

[unkempt citrus]

Build your own CPU

[fast pagoda]

https://github.com/mortbopet/Ripes

not really a game but

[real sierra]

you get a really good sense for assembly

[fast pagoda]

shiny

wow

what the hell is that

[glass flower]

build a minecraft redstone computer

[unkempt citrus]

That's more machine code than asm

[glass flower]

asm is just abstracted machine code

[unkempt citrus]

That is true

[fading olive]

nice, a bunch of these are 50% off right now on steam

[real sierra]

daily "who can be the most technically correct" challenge

machine code is just abstracted logic levels

[glass flower]

gonna setup dotnet screeps now and get ready to play on the official server

[real sierra]

[fast pagoda]

it's the language that defines how you express those logic levels but the assembly language itself is the abstraction

[real sierra]

idk why i even tried to compete

[fast pagoda]

ive had 27 linter warnings for 3 hours

[glass flower]

why is it trying to build my project with .Net 9 instead of 8... its defined as .Net8 in the csproj

[teal sand]

Hey,

Does any of you know if we have available a version of Alex's NeuroSDK for Unity, that work on .NET 3.5 ?

[fast pagoda]

theyre backwards compatible i think unless ur really out here gaming

[glass flower]

"The 'wasi-experimental' workload is not supported in .NET 9."

[fast pagoda]

i just looked it up while installing godot on my laptop

damn

shame on you for being up to date that's what you get

[glass flower]

i even have a <TargetFramework>net8.0</TargetFramework> in the project file...

[hoary lion]

RAHH

only a ctc head left to actually send my model to TPU

[hoary lion]

and a shit ton of preprocessing related code for training

oh shit

i hate adversarial training

[glass flower]

oh wait.. i think i know the issue.. since sdk 9 is my default it installed the workload on the net9 version instead of the net8 version

[glass flower]

[prime ridge]

Just wait til you start reading proofs written by random ass old men from 1995

[hoary lion]

nahh i aint reading allat

i really dont want to

[prime ridge]

I mean if you are writing papers then may as well

it SUCKS tho

usually pretty helpful. Although not always...

[real sierra]

"Trivially, ..."

[hoary lion]

let me just check
whisper

or anything

anyway they all use GAN for training objective

[prime ridge]

2016 moment

GAN <<<<< VQ-VAE

[hoary lion]

me when vqvae based model is trained with GAN

[prime ridge]

I mean you don't need to

depends on task

but a raw GAN is kinda cringe

[hoary lion]

please chill

Three discriminators

sooo

idk actually

[prime ridge]

depends on task bro

cuz like you lose fidelity with adversarial loss. Something can "look" correct but be very wrong.

[hoary lion]

haven't seen much non-GAN approach for speech tokenizer

[prime ridge]

but for images you 100% want to use a GAN

speech is a good use for GANs

[hoary lion]

yeah unless it is ASR

[prime ridge]

but you don't need it because take jukebox by openai

they don't use a GAN since they just use a transformer lol

do it's not always needed but usually a pretty good idea

[glass flower]

found your room

[real sierra]

[glass flower]

i might just take E37N37

[real sierra]

right beside the invader

brave

but also not a bad idea

[glass flower]

nvm it also only has 1 energy source

[real sierra]

oh i was looking at E37N36

two sources but the walk is lengthy

[glass flower]

hmm... i might not be able to get anything near that location other than E37N37.. one resource node sucks.. but it should be fairly easy to expand left or something if needed

[real sierra]

you could always go murder someone

(not me )

[opaque wharf]

Crazyfish will tho

[glass flower]

[real sierra]

crazyfish

colonization efforts are gonna be slooooow

[glass flower]

i guess i'll just take that one and then try to expand fast down. and build walls around the invader and below

or i go to E33N37

so many choices

[real sierra]

i cant do much to help

im stuck in my corner

stupid QIS blocking me off and then never logging on again

[glass flower]

• correction.. you are protected in the corner

[real sierra]

trying to get my code working enough for it to murder him while im sleeping

[glass flower]

wait... Spais already placed a spawner in E37N37...

but hasn't done anything beyond that...

it worked

[real sierra]

holy

now we have a C# screeps player

im super excited to see what unique coding flows each language produces

[amber fractal]

@prime ridge Now I remeber the reason why this was placed on break

[real sierra]

the rust person has been writing typedefs for 3 days

iggly!

i found another screeps player!

[amber fractal]

I was lurking 👍

[real sierra]

they're using C#

[prime ridge]

Don't worry... we are suffering together

[amber fractal]

I see, your on AI "docs" and I'm having to deal with numpy lying with their docs

[prime ridge]

Spent the past week researching theoretical AI optimization

[prime ridge]

"docs" is a bit misleading 😂

I made a neural network that outperforms full precision models while using 620% less memory

[amber fractal]

I should not be needing to broadcast, and I sure as frick should not be having errors for it broadcasting because it is supposed to copy

[prime ridge]

it's very baller until the amount of head banging

[prime ridge]

read only is crazy

just do .copy()

[amber fractal]

At this point it seems like a decent idea

[prime ridge]

It's been a while so I kinda forget how ur ML thingy worked tbh

[amber fractal]

It's outdated now

[prime ridge]

but I remember that it was headache worthy. Which is always a good thing

if it's not stressing you out... it's a lame project

[amber fractal]

Another rewrite happened

[prime ridge]

iteration 17 in 1 week rn 😁 🔫

[amber fractal]

also copying both straight up fixed it so I guess we ball

[prime ridge]

the issue will surely not come up later

[amber fractal]

[prime ridge]

I have no idea the context it was used in but u might get desynced variables... but fuck it we ball

[amber fractal]

expended almost instantly so it should be fine

[prime ridge]

also have you trained it on any real datasets so far?

cuz u can def get it to converge on MNIST

I made a 600 parameter model that got 95% accuracy on it

so it's def possible

[real sierra]

ok my units seem to know what they're doing now

bed time

[amber fractal]

https://numpy.org/doc/stable/reference/generated/numpy.choose.html
"choice array are first broadcast, as necessary" (was not done automatically)
"new array with shape Ba.shape is created as follows:" (The array was not copied)

[prime ridge]

"optimizations"

numpy does that sometimes

it's a bit annoying if you aren't used to it

[amber fractal]

I just expected it to work, so the fact it wasn't was defently something to behold

I read the docs, and figured out it lied at every step 👍

[prime ridge]

literally never used numpy.choose

[amber fractal]

Shame is that I was just using it with bools, like seriously there were serveral options that could have just as easily existed

[real sierra]

this channel is so much different at this time of day

[prime ridge]

You missed the multivariable calculus discussion

Don't partial differential equations excite you shiro?

[real sierra]

almost all multi variable calculus is single variable calculus in a trench coat

[prime ridge]

Except more headache inducing

[real sierra]

PDEs are very intuitive

it was always the hand wavey space transformations that drove me nuts in class

[prime ridge]

heat equation my beloved

[real sierra]

just let me use Cartesian coordinates please

[prime ridge]

Jacobean matrices 😁

[real sierra]

wouldn't be so bad if I didn't always forget about them

but life isn't that kind

[prime ridge]

It's just kinda fucky cuz I have 0 formal education lol. I'm just a HS kid

[real sierra]

I see

[prime ridge]

so I forget how to actually do it by hand

[real sierra]

I graduate with my undergrad in mathematics next year

[prime ridge]

that's baller

[real sierra]

thanks

[prime ridge]

I wish I actually was good at math

[real sierra]

same

[prime ridge]

💀 real

CS becomes so easy if you actually know math i'm convinced

[real sierra]

i feel like it's more important to just have a giant library of data structures in your head for CS

99% of problems you encounter have already been solved in a different setting

[prime ridge]

Well i'm biased towards ML

like ML is literally just math

[real sierra]

everyone talks about ML too much so it's lost its charm for me

[prime ridge]

I feel that

[real sierra]

overrated PID controller

[prime ridge]

that's kinda wild

[real sierra]

just the logical limit of linear regression

[prime ridge]

I just love information theory

and real ML is a pretty good outlet for it

modern "AI" is just slop

[real sierra]

"real ML" sounds like the next corporate buzzword

[prime ridge]

I mean like calculating entropy and using baysian statistics for confidence values

and fisher information

[real sierra]

now you're just spamming stem buzzwords

[prime ridge]

tinkering also with taylor expantions

Nah, it works

publishing a paper soon

[pulsar edge]

shibo

[real sierra]

hi scrub

[pulsar edge]

I have a problem shibo

[real sierra]

I like problems

[pulsar edge]

not this one

[real sierra]

bet

[pulsar edge]

hold on

[unkempt citrus]

Bayesian still best ML

[amber fractal]

Maybe I can get this NN working sooner than I expected. Doubt it.

[unkempt citrus]

Followed by trees

[prime ridge]

trees are not very good

[pulsar edge]

problem @real sierra

[unkempt citrus]

For their compute they're amazing

And you can slap them on so many other things to improve them

Also they're stupid simple and intuitive

[prime ridge]

I mean I almost never had a use for them. For their size, a heuristic is usually better per FLOP

[unkempt citrus]

A tree is just an automatic heuristic

[prime ridge]

unless u wanna do an emsemble

[prime ridge]

that overfits 😭

[unkempt citrus]

[prime ridge]

kinda crazy

I like random forests

single tree is wild tho

[real sierra]

[pulsar edge]

[real sierra]

put it in rice

[prime ridge]

Not an issue. It's a cool aesthetic

[unkempt citrus]

Oh yeah a single tree is dumb

[amber fractal]

Google pixel

[unkempt citrus]

But tree based models like forests and xgboost are really cool

[pulsar edge]

sammy

[prime ridge]

right ofc. I use ensemble methods a lot

[real sierra]

ok goodnight programmers

[prime ridge]

I thought u meant a single tree 💀

[pulsar edge]

goodnight shito

[prime ridge]

gn ||hope you enjoyed your birthday||

[unkempt citrus]

What am I? 70 years old?

[amber fractal]

I just know the pixels are getting this issue like the plague

[unkempt citrus]

Remember to wake up bright and early for your brithday

[pulsar edge]

yeah I heard ~2023 pixels, samsungs, and onepluses are having this recently

[prime ridge]

My pixel's been balling tho

what model u got?

[pulsar edge]

my specific phone model had this issue back in 2022 but I "lucked out" and didnt get it until now... after samsung killed the free out-of-warranty replacement program

[pulsar edge]

s20+ 5G

[prime ridge]

dw it looks cool

if ur screen wasn't glitched it would mean you were a lesser programmer

[amber fractal]

Friend of mine got it 2x with pixel 8? Would have to ask

[prime ridge]

I personally fw it

[prime ridge]

I got the pixel 4, been good for 2.5 years strong

I also just almost never use it tho lol

[glass flower]

first harvester works now

the wasm file is 2.5mb tho

[amber fractal]

We are eating through storage limits with this one 🔥

[pulsar edge]

genuinely though, it makes reading SUPER hard

its incredible how hard reading is when there's a pure green single pixel line through the text

[amber fractal]

uhhh, somehow the code works now

Anticlimatic tbh, I wanted more errors

[pulsar edge]

so tomorrow I'm probably going to try reseating the display cable

if that doesn't work, I'm taking it to a repair shop

[amber fractal]

Yippie, I have the logic errors to deal with now

[prime ridge]

that's surely nothing to do with the .copy()

[amber fractal]

Surely not

It does just seem to be a logical error

Something I messed up with implmenting properly

Surely np.choose wouldn't continue to fail to exist properly

beause I'm 100% sure, that the output array is just the choices array mapped to another dtype instead of indexing into the either of the other two arrarys

How in the fuck does this function exist?

Alright, so turns out I've been using this wrong and was not getting errors

So the good news is that now I have a definitive last error to handle. Once I get that sorted, I can at least say it is time for testing.

Iggly NN is back on the menu bois

[prime ridge]

yesssssssss

[amber fractal]

Last error is just a generalization error (it's not happening)
In a twisted turn of events, once this is complete it should have an infinite amount of activation functions in theory. We just have to hope generalization works as intended.

[timid rune]

[glossy bolt]

ss

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[scarlet arch]

[olive sable]

Today is beach episode

Oh ye, i found a cool building yesterday.

Feels like it came from res evil

[scarlet arch]

cyrillic letters on it too? Where are you again? :o