programming

[sage crag]

very long instruction word

recursion is banned

[real sierra]

yeah it would seem so

another knowledge nugget gained

[sage crag]

fork bomb mitigation strategy

[real sierra]

tbh im quite thankful for it

[sage crag]

call stack limit is increased on non-shard3 shards

[real sierra]

somehow i was able to catch that as an error

[opaque sigil]

i assume they explicitly lower the recursion depth in the vm or however they run your code

[real sierra]

so it saved me CPU cycles by failing fast

[sage crag]

wahoo

[opaque sigil]

both claude and gemini tried to sell me the name "bolt", weird obsession but okay

[real sierra]

these all sound too normal

if you want it to sound linux-y it needs to sound like a robot name from a kids tv show

like "glunk" or something

gives it that vibe of a tool maintained by a single guy in their parents' basement which holds up half the internet

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

name it libcudabigintarithmetic

[opaque sigil]

good way to pad the thesis tbf

[real sierra]

of course

[opaque sigil]

i shall consider it

[real sierra]

the names where its something way too long that people will only know by its abbreviation

like LWJGL

[sage crag]

lcba for short

[sage crag]

glfw

[opaque sigil]

integralcudabigarithmetic aka Icba

[real sierra]

cublas

[sage crag]

and who could forget, low level virtual machine

[real sierra]

llvm

[sage crag]

somehow it never clicked that the vm in llvm is the same as vm in virtual machine

[real sierra]

ehh i kinda get it

very different usage

omg konii

did you wanna join the screeps fest

[sage crag]

i have been increasingly tempted

im easily distracted so if i started playing screeps i might forget about other things im supposed to be doing

[real sierra]

it's a game that's easy to put down

and you often have to while you wait for your code changes to manifest

[sage crag]

perhaps

i am an optimisation addict

i may end up working on one function until the end of time

[real sierra]

good skill to have in this game

[sage crag]

bwa

[real sierra]

[opaque sigil]

you saw nothing

[sage crag]

#programming try not to get banned challenge

last person to get banned wins 100 nuros

[real sierra]

100 nuros?!

thats more than vedal has ever paid me

cracking your password hash rn

[sage crag]

its almost as much as 101 nuros

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

thanks nvidia

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

this reminds me of the gold linker inserting gnu licensing into binaries

i might be schizoing this but im 70% sure i had to strip that for optimal size

[opaque sigil]

that sounds like such a gnu thing to do

[sage crag]

its annoying since gold produces such small binaries ootb

[opaque sigil]

i still want to write an elf linker at some point tbh

[sage crag]

much better than lld or ld without some serious flag spamming

[sage crag]

lld gets to the same size eventually but the number of flags is annoying

[opaque sigil]

i wonder how mold does with size, i assume worse since they go all out in performance?

[sage crag]

mold is somewhere between lld and ld in my testing

[opaque sigil]

waiting for the day i can compile the linux kernel with mold sadge

[sage crag]

for tiny binaries though

for super tiny hello world, ld was around 800 bytes, lld/gold was 250 bytes, and mold was around 500

after i spent a few hours messing with linker flags and stripping binaries

[opaque sigil]

interesting

[sage crag]

i managed to get something that objdump could not dump or parse

still worked though

[opaque sigil]

lucky

[sage crag]

i managed to get hello world to 179 bytes in the end

the only way to really get it smaller past that point is to embed code sections in the elf header itself

[opaque sigil]

can we remove c++ templates from this world

and just pretend they never existed

[real sierra]

can we remove c++ from this world

[sage crag]

constexpr poghd

[real sierra]

and go back to C

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

I love writing C in C++

[opaque sigil]

i wonder how annoying it'd be to do this in zig hmmm

[sage crag]

hi

[opaque sigil]

hiiii

[sage crag]

h

[real sierra]

[opaque sigil]

the problem is that while zig can seamlessly interop with c

cuda is technically c++

i've made it work before by embedding ptx into the final binary but that's not an option so would have to use the runtime compiler ig

[real sierra]

wtf

[fast pagoda]

install meson
'idk what that is bro'
search meson
yeah here's 3 things with that tag but i wasnt gonna tell you or maybe have you choose/make a suggestion earlier cuz fk u

winget moment

[opaque sigil]

hmmm i think this is doable, have all kernels inside an extern c block

indeed a winget moment

meson is in scoop smh

[fast pagoda]

i always check winget first

because

[opaque sigil]

why

[opaque wharf]

Why tf does the other 2 have meson tags

[fast pagoda]

i want bill gates to give me an inheritence for being extra loyal

[fast pagoda]

assuming meson is part of their build process

[sage crag]

bill gates will let you use windows at a 0% discount

[opaque wharf]

The devs need their kneecap shanked

[real sierra]

i need more screeps players

[opaque wharf]

You want to DDoS shard3 again?

[real sierra]

wasnt us

besides shard3 is doing great rn

[opaque wharf]

So it was cloud

[real sierra]

logistics are proving difficult

struggling to fill all my extensions fast enough

[opaque sigil]

looking at the manifest for dosbox staging, it doesn't even mention meson in the tags

[fast pagoda]

am i doin it right??

[opaque wharf]

As in, the resource gathered is not enough or the resource gathered decay first before it can be transported?

[opaque sigil]

choco in 2025

[opaque wharf]

Because the former implies you use more resource than you prodce

The latter is indeed a logistic problem

[real sierra]

as in, it takes longer to transport resources to the extensions than it does for the spawner cooldown to end

my fleet of logistics units isnt smart enough

watching power users trip on open source tools

[fast pagoda]

i am mr package manager tbh
just for you im gonna install another npm package manager if i can find one, i already have pnpm, npm, bun, yarn

[real sierra]

another W for gui

[opaque wharf]

Or you know... having one standard package manager?

[opaque sigil]

clearly you need conda and vcpkg

[fast pagoda]

i have miniconda

i have at least these within windows

it doesnt seem to detect bun or any of those separately from npm

[real sierra]

that's what i like to see

nevermind

[maiden geyser]

powershell has a package manager?

[real sierra]

cloud has a number of idle builders and their harvesters are all working on the controller

sensible

good task prioritization

sam's harvesters have continued collecting but dont have anything to put their energy into

bed time i guess

[fast pagoda]

yes

whenever you use like

Install-Package

[dull ivy]

How do you guys program In C++????

[amber fractal]

As a friend of mine has shown, the way you want to.

[maiden geyser]

how do you guys program

[maiden geyser]

either in vs2022 or in msys2 (vim + gcc)

[amber fractal]

Well I don't code in C++ so I picked the next best thing

[jagged turtle]

the way we want to program

[cobalt sigil]

https://youtu.be/CRU-fwS6aAU

[tender river]

just89 in #programming huge

[tender river]

meow

meow

[tranquil iris]

meow

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Cat 5e

[olive sable]

Is there a screeps cap? It should keep spawning them till i have 20

Or im just spawning them as fast as they die

[opaque wharf]

You'll have to wait for shiro or read the docs it seems

[olive sable]

yay

more catgitls = more better

[midnight sigil]

real

[timid rune]

👀

hi

[olive sable]

hello

[rigid snow]

i’ve had this happen back when i was still using a pixel

[olive sable]

this screep just gave up lmao

hes bout to die anyways i guess

[opaque wharf]

Sam is starting to think like an overlord

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-big-bite-cat-eat-gif-20087133

good morning

this is me when i see uranium rods

[olive sable]

gooddmorning

[inner pike]

Is everyone still playing on official servers or has cloudburst started her server ?

[olive sable]

official

[inner pike]

Maybe i should join to learn the game better

[jagged turtle]

what are we playing

[olive sable]

cloud is too busy playing the game to make a server

screeps

[inner pike]

Are all of you relatively close to eachother ?

[olive sable]

yes

im over at E35N37

cloud and shiro are nearby to me

[inner pike]

Alright, ill take a look once im home

[olive sable]

[inner pike]

Cause i have already bought the game and was originally gonna wait for cloudburst to make her server

But since it looks like its gonna take a bit, i guess ill join the official one

Ill be home in like 1,5h, gonna check it out then probably

I already went and did the tutorial before

[olive sable]

I added some rudementary builder code to make roads

And some priority stuff to make my harvesters go upgrade the room controller

[opaque wharf]

Sam, don't forget that you're on holiday

[inner pike]

Do roads need energy ?

[olive sable]

To build

[inner pike]

Ah okay

Do they need maintenance or something ?

[olive sable]

I know, otherwise idd be game-deving too rn

Why must the roads decay this fast? This is not economical

[inner pike]

Ah so they do decay

Wait they decay after only 780 ticks ?

How many ticks per second is it again ?

[olive sable]

E

So a loss of 500hp in 780 ticks im assuming

Cuz its on swamp

[inner pike]

Oh so you got bad luck with terrain

[olive sable]

Yep

[inner pike]

Oof

Guess ill try and look for a room that doesnt have swamp

Also, how many ticks per second is it ? Is it 1 to 1 ?

[olive sable]

I think 5?

Im not sure

[inner pike]

Alright

[olive sable]

I guess not

The tutorial judt has speed controls ig

[inner pike]

Oh

3 seconds per tick damn

That road lasts for only 40 minutes lmao

Wait

40 minutes per decay

Wait no decay in total ?

Is the timer for complete decay ?

[opaque wharf]

Think of it in terms of tick. One tick can be an arbitrary amount of time

Last time the server got cooked, one tick took around 30 minute

So stay with tick time measurement

[olive sable]

Ur the server isnt zll too fast

Since i made them builc roads this morning there has only been 3k energy worth of roads built

So since its wwamp only 2 roads

[rare bramble]

all this to spawn creeps and add them to the base it needs to be done in 2 parts since I need to keep a reference to the creeps, but it's available only the tick after the creep is created so I need to fetch the ID for it the next tick

[olive sable]

Brother what are you doing?

[opaque wharf]

Finally getting to play the game

[rare bramble]

my codebase is basically 650 lines of boilerplate

[real sierra]

rust user attempts to not write boilerplate (day 3)

[jagged turtle]

you use rs?

[real sierra]

no lol

I'm just super invested in juho's project

[safe path]

juho are you making a creeps-rs library?

[rare bramble]

they have their own rust api so I dont need to https://github.com/rustyscreeps

i'm just writing ungodly amount of boilerplate to get my idea of what Screeps should be like working

[real sierra]

time to see how my screeps are doing this morning

[stark needle]

Wtf is this screeps i keep hearing of 24/7

[real sierra]

it's an MMO RTS

where the main gimmick is that you don't control your units or buildings manually

but through code

you write an AI to manage movement, spawning, actions etc.

and your code runs 24/7 on a server with hundreds of others

[stark needle]

what

So you code your defenses?

[unkempt citrus]

Think startcraft or AoE but you write code to beat other people instead of controlling shit

It sounds fun but I have enough projects on my plate

[rigid snow]

this

[rough bloom]

add another plate

[stark needle]

Isn't this the best place for people to cheat with chatgpt or something

[opaque wharf]

[unkempt citrus]

its pvp

if you think chatgpt gives you an advantage go ahead

[opaque wharf]

You got limited allocated time per tick

20ms max

[unkempt citrus]

I always am and yet still not enough plates

[real sierra]

?

i woke up to something really concerning

[opaque wharf]

You need to learn from Padang bros here

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

one of my builders was at half hp

[rare bridge]

that's concerning

check your event log

[real sierra]

it only goes back one tick

[rare bramble]

basically, the base has a state and does "meta" decisions based on the state (build, expland, scout, attack, defend, etc.). And every state has a goal of what screeps the based should have and how much. This all depends of base level and resources too. and we take this base state and it flows down to all the screeps.

And we have a set amount of screeps types, all the screeps have a state and a set of actions that they do based on their state and the state of the base.

for example miner:
(idle) -> find resource
(moving) -> until found resource
(mine) -> until full, find base
(moving) -> until found base
(deposit) -> (idle)

and every screep cycles these states
and we might have a base state like defend

and then miners would get state:
(flee) -> go to safety
and when base state goes back to normal:
the miners would go to (idle)

and the screeps would also flow information back to the base, for example a scout sees enemy nearby, it would return a code like: under attack
and the base state would go from (build) -> (defend)
and the base and the screeps would act accordingly, until we have determined that it's safe again, and then the base state goes back to (build)

[opaque wharf]

Look at how many plates he can carry

[rare bramble]

also essaying

[real sierra]

i mean this is one possible paradigm

i also once considered having a fleeing protocol in my workers

but it's surprisingly expensive

[opaque wharf]

And here we already have different design decisions

[real sierra]

and can have some big downsides

e.g. if your workers flee instead of refilling the turrets

"then ill only have them flee if enemies are within a certain radius of them" then you're doing range checks on every creep of yours against every hostile creep

[opaque wharf]

Workers lives are cheap, compute time is expensive

[real sierra]

O(n^2) on a pricy operation

[real sierra]

this

the cheapest option to help both is build walls

there should never be a path for enemies to get to workers

i think i must've had an npc invasion overnight

[opaque wharf]

So it begins

https://tenor.com/view/tigerking-joe-exotic-tking-gif-8075003486432807120

[real sierra]

i figure my turret probably dealt with it

but then it actually broke later in separate code that used the turret to heal damaged creeps

glad i have my priorities straight

i wonder how long all my workers were idle for

maybe the room replay shows

[opaque wharf]

Use typescript, save a screeps live

[real sierra]

found it

@rare bridge look at this

the full 50 parts right off the bat

boosted too rly

[opaque wharf]

This creep is angry shiro

[real sierra]

but yeah then my turret started unloading

https://gyazo.com/f19bc798778c8a231b5df16a330d677d.mp4

[opaque wharf]

Surprised it wasn't from those crazy person that locked in

[real sierra]

this happened like

30 mins ago

perfect timing

[opaque wharf]

Your builder decided that he has experienced enough in his lifetime

[real sierra]

you can see that once he takes damage every other creep stops moving too

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

FYI, invaders arrive based on the energy you've harvested

something like every 100,000 + 30,000 energy

or so im told but

[rare bridge]

i'll get one turning up eventually

[real sierra]

idk how accurate that is

ive been putting it off but i need to modify my road building code

my entire extension setup is a corner case

which results in roads only being placed under structures

[rare bridge]

i'mma set up defences today

[real sierra]

ima go to work

ill check on my screeps in 12h or so

[olive sable]

Lmao bro has to work

[real sierra]

gonna need to do more profiling at some point

[rare bridge]

bro has to work while the rest of us can work on screeps

it's so over

[real sierra]

i enjoy my work and like being productive member of society

excited to chat with my work friends

we're going climbing later

[olive sable]

Nice

[trim valve]

climbing pogs

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

highest climb i've ever done is a 5.9 so i still have a long way to go

[trim valve]

5.9?

[olive sable]

Steps

[trim valve]

ah so between a 5a and a 5b

[real sierra]

or that yea

[olive sable]

I still dont get it

[trim valve]

I love different competing standards

really fun

[real sierra]

i like yours more

yeah the standards proliferation in climbing is a disaster

[trim valve]

I can usually do up to 6a, sometimes 6b but I genuinely don't do enough climbing

[real sierra]

thats super impressive

been working at it for a while now and i just dont have the grip strength for a lot of things of higher difficulty

[trim valve]

life hack: be basically underweight so you need less grip strength

[real sierra]

way ahead of you there

[olive sable]

Building the road

[real sierra]

dont forget to write some code to maintain your road

it loses hp over time

[olive sable]

I didnt

Im sure they will last to this evening

Maybe

Hopefully

[real sierra]

they will last 50,000 ticks in the best case

but that drops by 1 tick per body part per creep that steps on it

[olive sable]

All my screeps have 3 body parts so should be fine

Also im not sure they're using the roads

[opaque wharf]

Just classification for sports

[real sierra]

i mean they're not built yet

so

[olive sable]

Part of them is built

[real sierra]

they should use those parts if they're worth using

[olive sable]

Okay

Aight bye

[real sierra]

[midnight sigil]

how is #gaming chatting more than #programming

this is so wrong

[real sierra]

is that true

i feel like we're chatting a lot the last few days

#gaming has 10 messages today

#programming has 240

where are you getting your data from

[midnight sigil]

[real sierra]

oh FYI screeps players

i accidentally found out the max recursion depth is like

6

[midnight sigil]

there're 230 messages deleted by the #gaming people

trust me

[real sierra]

so dont do anything with recursion

source: trust me

[opaque wharf]

"Accidentally"

[real sierra]

i thought it would be nice if my logistics units reran their decision tree in the same tick if they ended up deciding their current task wasnt possible

but it just put them on the same impossible task

[rare bridge]

i need to rewrite my task code

[opaque wharf]

Is your decision tree algorithm greedy?

[rare bridge]

right now it's just based on whether a certain condition- oh shit ping from nn

[olive sable]

😂

[midnight sigil]

[rare bridge]

scammer

[sage crag]

m

someone should write better screeps bindings

(for rust)

[opaque wharf]

How do you know that they are not just some nice person sharing things?

[rare bridge]

i think konii found their metaproblem for screeps!

[sage crag]

10000 dollars join random casino today (no embed perms)

[sage crag]

perhamps

wasm bindgen is a bit of a nightmare though

[rough bloom]

I will likely be recursing a lot
But Clojure has TCO so it should be fine

[sage crag]

what if i skip wasm bindgen entirely

does screeps support wasi

[rough bloom]

no

(I didn't check but it's super unlikely)

pretty sure they use a Node.js version from before WASI even existed

[real sierra]

you're telling me mrbeast isn't offering me infinite money at no cost?

and here I thought this person was being so kind to join the server just to share this wonderful opportunity in every channel

[sage crag]

they're so kind they are making sure we know every 4 days or so

[real sierra]

no

[opaque wharf]

They don't appear much on #programming huh

They FEAR us

[real sierra]

it's... something

logistics code currently looks like

• if someone needs dragging, assign yourself
• otherwise, if there's a grave to rob, rob it
• otherwise, if there's resources on the ground, go clean
• otherwise, if we could move resources to a better storage, do that
• otherwise idle

[real sierra]

they appear here all the time, in fact it's the worst here because you all start teasing them instead of reporting it to staff so it can be removed

typical programmers seeing a badly coded bot and insisting on pointing out its flaws

[sage crag]

im curious if it's automated using stolen accounts or if the account stealing process is manual and then the bot message is automatic

also what happens if you leave it unbanned? does it send another message after some time or does it never message again?

interesting things

[opaque wharf]

Mhmm, how would the screeps know on the same tick that someone needs dragging is not already assigned by another screeps? If you didn't store that, then of course they will end up at the same impossible task no? Same with resources

[opaque wharf]

We study them instead of reporting them lol

Stress testing scammer code

[near sundial]

Hi

Guys

Quick question

For all the fancy kewl developers here

So, I'm currently working on an LLM I have integrated into gmod

Using lua and external python server

But I'm kinda struggling how to make it "immersed" in the game

Are there anything you guys can help to simulate immersion with 'clever' prompting

Since I'm already setting up whisper

[unkempt citrus]

The link executes a script to steal the account token in discord

[near sundial]

So it can output a voice

[unkempt citrus]

Which is then used by the bot again to transmit all the links again using a new token

[real sierra]

dragging assignment is stored

the problem was moreso some weird loop that happens with withdrawing and depositing being alternated between in the same tick

I don't really get how

[rare bridge]

i plan to seperate my harvesters and builders into resources, logistics, and builders

also probably split off the upgrading and maintaining code of my room controller into another type too

[real sierra]

cloudburst adding 4 types

juho adding 50 types

[rare bridge]

i need to add defenders actually

[real sierra]

me adding 0 types

[rare bridge]

if you're testing your invasion code

[real sierra]

can't test it yet

[rare bridge]

but also cos tanriol

[real sierra]

it was set to only activate when I fill 80% of my energy storage colony-wide

but after adding another 1M storage

I don't think that will happen any time soon

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

need to rejig that condition

[near sundial]

Hi

Happy birthday

[real sierra]

no escape

but yeah I need to modify that condition

[rare bridge]

i need a creep to go talk to my room controller so i can sign it

[real sierra]

a better requirement is probably a minimum fixed amount of energy and a minimum gain

[rare bridge]

oh the builders are idle

i can convince them to go do my bidding

[real sierra]

after that I should have all the parts ready tho

attack campaign creation, platoon formation and soldier spawning, and unit orders

but I still need a claiming campaign for actually capturing rooms

[scarlet arch]

[real sierra]

code review time

[opaque wharf]

I need to sleep

But I also know if I sleep even for 1 hour, #programming will have 100+ messages then

[real sierra]

that's fine

you don't need to read every message here

[opaque wharf]

It's too interesting to miss out

[real sierra]

call it an uncomputable function

[tender river]

a

[opaque wharf]

[real sierra]

cloud is so silent while they screeps

I feel like I'm yapping 24/7 about my coding and failures

but cloud is just dead silent and then gives a short update like they're at a team standup

[rare bridge]

i was actually manually moving around one of my builders so i could sign my room controller

[rare bramble]

the Rust state is not persistent across code uploads, so I need to load my state from the JS json values after I update my code

https://tenor.com/view/aintneurway-aintnoway-neuro-sama-gif-5891904396562474502

[rare bridge]

more boilerplate!

[tender river]

its not just not persistent across updates it may also randomly be reset every now and then

[rare bramble]

I mean if my std::sync::Once is run every time it happens then it's fine

[uneven pulsar]

80% boilerplate is a mandatory part of a healthy developer diet

[sage crag]

osmium

[honest scaffold]

[rare bramble]

reloading base creep state works now

[olive sable]

I am at the beach

[rough bloom]

I am at work

[uneven pulsar]

Anyone know any alternatives to the fabricjs library https://fabricjs.com/ know it off back my head but would like to learn smth new for side project

[midnight sigil]

vscode with C/C++, clangd, codeLLDB, c-mantic

and to mention the one monokai theme as well

super based

I also have the x86 and x86_64 Assembly highlighting plugin just in case

[rough bloom]

Monokai is fine
Catppuccin Mocha is best though

[midnight sigil]

I prefer the discord grey over dark purple

[olive sable]

Did someone say cappuccino?

Ever single tourist shop had these

Aight time to check on the screeps

[exotic gull]

Ballerina cappucina mimimimiiiiii

[olive sable]

@stark needle

[midnight sigil]

who dare to impersonate me

[olive sable]

CALIBI SCREEPS

We need to get the entirety of #programming on

[opaque sigil]

sorry it was me

[olive sable]

Lmao

They're making good progress on the road

[marble thorn]

pc nerds

how much could i sell a used 6600 for

in gbp

:3

[olive sable]

'Bout 250?

Where i live at least

[midnight sigil]

If you experience any performance issues, please note that Screeps is best played in Chrome browser.

Chrome

[olive sable]

Nah fuck chrome

I need my ublock

[midnight sigil]

We have ublock origin lite

[olive sable]

I refuse to watch ads

Ublock origin lite sucks

[midnight sigil]

still be able to block youtube ads

[olive sable]

Nah actually youtube started saying that it wont play with ublock origin lite

[midnight sigil]

just refresh a few times and it'll work again

no dialogue would pop

manifest v4 coming

[olive sable]

Nope

Yt was fully blocking me

[midnight sigil]

o7

UA?

[olive sable]

EU

Belgium

[olive sable]

Ill continue using ff

[tight tinsel]

"how do i do a clock"

[sage crag]

redstone handbook for actual redstone

[fast pagoda]

[sage crag]

m

[opaque sigil]

ipconfig != ifconfig

[fast pagoda]

[dry charm]

also use ip

[opaque sigil]

that too

[fast pagoda]

yeah i already did ip a first

just wanted to see if ipconfig also worked tbh

in fish

[rough bloom]

why would it not

its not part of the shell

[fast pagoda]

i dunno i always expect things to just not work randomly

[rough bloom]

nah fish is good

kinda just works

[rough bloom]

except when programs do stupid shit to the shell and expect bash because they are stupid

[fast pagoda]

yeah i do like it so far without having to do a bunch of extra .conf editing

[fast pagoda]

it's a form of discrimination tbh

[opaque sigil]

i remember trying fish and something i needed was a massive pain to accomplish so i just went back to zsh

also

looks like my calculator is dead

[tender river]

i tried zsh but it took so much effort to get remotely close to the level of usability i got used to with fish

also it was slower

[opaque sigil]

fair, i already had a working zsh setup

[inner pike]

I have one of these at home

cant find it anymore though

• mine is in german

[tender river]

i just went back to fish later but i also use https://github.com/IlanCosman/tide now

[rare bramble]

Keep in mind I still dont have much of actual screeps logic implemented beyond very basic mining routine

[fast pagoda]

i will try

[tight tinsel]

whats screeps

[noble zodiac]

for the first time I find the error message of rustc lacking

[trim valve]

oh hey this looks new

[midnight sigil]

is there the next tutorial dialogue

[tender river]

this is just #screeps at this point

[midnight sigil]

opening the screeps document cost me 400mb of ram

can't they just do stream loading

instead of loading everything into dom

[inner pike]

you have to do what the tutorial tells you for it to continue

[midnight sigil]

I have done it

as you can see

I'm skipping it, surely wouldn't cost much

[nocturne olive]

Yay, my 3090 has reached Finland

[midnight sigil]

ok nvm I don't have mone

[stark needle]

Who dared pinging me in here

[tender river]

who would do such a thing

[midnight sigil]

@stark needle yea I have no idea

[tender river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbral_moonshine

[opaque sigil]

ramanujan mentioned

[worldly plank]

mpv it?

[olive sable]

mpv?

[tender river]

https://mpv.io

[olive sable]

that doesnt look like it does youtube tho

[tender river]

it does

as long as you have yt-dlp

[olive sable]

and what is that?

[tender river]

https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp

note that you may also require something like https://github.com/coletdjnz/yt-dlp-get-pot

[olive sable]

oh but thats downloading

idk

[tender river]

wait nvm they built it into yt-dlp

[olive sable]

i think i prefer just using ff with ublock while streaming

[tender river]

yes and thats why you need mpv????

[opaque sigil]

good thing you can just use a normal browser

[olive sable]

google chrome is starting to annoy me anyways

[tender river]

not if yt blocks you since you aren't logged in

[olive sable]

i prefer streaming ngl

[tender river]

mpv IS streaming

[olive sable]

but its downloading?

[tender river]

mpv actually works more consistently for me than their website lol

[tender river]

mpv is streaming

yt-dlp is downloading

..

[olive sable]

so you need to download it to stream it????

[tender river]

you DONT

[olive sable]

but you said i need dlp

[tender river]

you do

[olive sable]

bro im so confused

[tender river]

doesnt mean you have to download anything???

you just need yt-dlp installed thats it

[opaque sigil]

i think they download the chunks using yt-dlp no?

[tender river]

not directly

[opaque sigil]

just the manifest then?

[olive sable]

ill just continue to use ff with ublock, i dont feel like i need to make it more complicated

[tender river]

they get the url from yt-dlp and stream it via smth like ffmpeg

[opaque sigil]

ah

[olive sable]

so dlp is just used as a fancy url finder?

the description said its a yt downloader

[tender river]

well, to put it simply, not just yt, not just downloader

[olive sable]

anyways im at the apartment, time to check on the screeps.

[opaque sigil]

if it's a video on the internet chances are pretty decent you can download it with yt-dlp

with a couple asterisks

[olive sable]

i dont really wanne do that tho

[opaque sigil]

then don't

[tender river]

it is time

i have the beginnings of a theoretical foundation for erf 2.0

[olive sable]

@rare bridge what was the idea behind these paths?

[rare bramble]

how have you gotten these statuses for the creeps? I tried to look through the API and didnt find anything

[rare bridge]

to allow all creeps to move around the source without being subjected to the penalty for not moving on the road

(also so their pathfinding doesn't suck and that idle creeps do not stick themselves right next to the source)

[olive sable]

[rare bridge]

RoomVisual

[rare bramble]

thank you

[olive sable]

had to force screeps to use the dedicated gpu of my laptop

its a lot faster now

might have had a small oepsie in the priority code

fixed it

why did bro just die?

[olive sable]

is that how much he had left?

so just old age

[rare bridge]

it's how many ticks he had to live, he perished from old age

[olive sable]

grandpa builder

i got like 6 screeps left cuz of the small mistak in my priority code

its designed to have 10

[rare bridge]

i'd appreciate some module discovery code screeps

[olive sable]

i would give some if i had any

my laptop crashed again

classic

full bluescreen

i wonder why it keeps doing this

rip, they keep dying

[nocturne olive]

I think the 3090 isn't gonna take too much longer now that it's in Finland

[olive sable]

its in finland now?

yep it has

[nocturne olive]

Good stuff

[stark needle]

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

:niuh:

[olive sable]

my screeps replenished

[rare bridge]

my screeping has been interrupted by vedal

[tender river]

fire him

[olive sable]

damn that tutel

[rare bridge]

vedal hand over neuro you're fired

[olive sable]

oh its cuy he's live lmao

didnt notice

[feral mountain]

http://sharex.charmines.dev/aEk3
http://sharex.charmines.dev/DOzS
Hmmmmmmm

[olive sable]

wtf are those links?

[feral mountain]

they are just the image links from my sharex server

[olive sable]

sure

[scarlet arch]

How the hell are you using http on a .dev URL

One of the requirements is that all public endpoints are supposed to be https. Firefox even denies connecting lol

It upgrades the connection transparently. Go figure

[feral mountain]

hm thats a great question, ive never had a problem with it but I do use firefox... all http redirects to https anyways tho

[scarlet arch]

I think this only works if you don't open port 80, so Firefox has to try the https connection. If you allow http Firefox denies the connection lol

Chrome too I think

[feral mountain]

weird because I havent seen it deny the connection...

I have port 80 and it just does the redirect idk

[scarlet arch]

Hmmm maybe they relaxed it a bit

[feral mountain]

maybe, although it wouldnt make sense to only work if port 80 isnt open

[scarlet arch]

Idk, just personal experience from like a year or so ago

My server doesn't even expose port 80 cause fuck that shit

[feral mountain]

yea I just mean like if that was the rule how would someone run the domain on any webserver

[scarlet arch]

Just use port 443?

[feral mountain]

I know but I would guess most webservers that you can rent online have both ports

[scarlet arch]

I just checked. My HAProxy actually only listens on 443 haha

[feral mountain]

honestly its probably that browsers auto redirect anyways

[shell dock]

Has anyone here worked with programmatically editting audio?

I've looked the whole weekend for a solution to splitting voices mixed in a duet.
But couldn't find any software getting a good result.

[olive sable]

i have made tombraiders

[olive sable]

[shell dock]

There are so many AI models to separating vocals from instrument, but nothing in huggingface that works separating vocals from each other.

It's kinda frustrating tbh

My AI can sing very well any sort of single-voiced song.
But she freaks out on duets, I want to split into channels for her training.

[nocturne olive]

Multi-vocal stuff is really hard

[nocturne olive]

Classic RVC I assume

You could try a vocal synthesizer

[shell dock]

I know, she can almost make it right with 20x more training epochs, but it's very inconsistent and she still freaks out.

Also doing 20x more epochs is VERY inefficient

[nocturne olive]

And also very overfitted

[shell dock]

When 1x can do it perfectly for anything that isn't a duet

[nocturne olive]

How many epochs is 1x?

[shell dock]

30

[nocturne olive]

Batch size?

[sour lotus]

Hello All 🙂

[olive sable]

wdym 2 screeps on this tile? thats illegal

@real sierra i broke the game again

[nocturne olive]

If you can specify it would be useful for me to deterimine if you're training optimally

[shell dock]

It's diffusion, it doesn't work with batches
It passes 30 times per segment of 3 seconds, with some redundancy between each segment

[nocturne olive]

There's always a training batch size, no?

And diffusion? You mean it's not RVC?

Some more advanced voice changer model?

For reference, here's my RVC and vocal synthesizer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jWOyIcKz98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1HNHqSdGW4

Machine love is Neuro RVC, Raise up your bat is NeuroSynth

[shell dock]

I still can't turn any kind of text into song

Working on that

[nocturne olive]

Why would you want to turn text into a song?

[shell dock]

It's definitely RVC, but it doesn't use a batch size when infering

To create new songs and not have problems with DMCA

I can only replicate songs with the voice of my AI

[nocturne olive]

Well, of course not, the batch size I was asking for is the training one

[nocturne olive]

Then make a vocal synthesizer, it's not AI slop garbage, but also lets you make originals

Just see NeuroSynth for how good the results are (the example song does not have an official vocal)

[shell dock]

I do have a vocal synthesizer, but it can't sing

[nocturne olive]

Then it's not a vocal synthesizer

The point of a vocal synthesizer is to perform singing voice synthesis

[shell dock]

It synthesizes voice, what is it

[nocturne olive]

TTS

TTS and vocal synthesis models are quite different

[stark needle]

not rly both typically/often work with a phonemizer

[nocturne olive]

TTS contains the pitch curve generation and doesn't take more than a phoneme sequence, while a vocal synthesizer takes a phoneme sequence, phoneme timings sequence, pitch curve, and sometimes even more parameters

[stark needle]

true

[shell dock]

Training my own synthesizer is going to be a pain for another day though

Literally just got her to sing her first few songs. Very early stage lil brain girl

[nocturne olive]

It's not too hard to do with synthetic data, transcribing your own data is a little harder though

[shell dock]

I'd need data in different tones, no?

I guess I can make her sing known songs and use that as a training data?

She's actually very good at singing solo songs

[nocturne olive]

With synthetic data you just pick out already transcribed data and convert it with your voice changer model

You just pick up a bunch of variant data that's sufficiently close to your target voice, and the training creates the average of those which is a decent approximation of the voice you want
That's how NeuroSynth-BETA-X series works at its core

[nocturne olive]

That is valid, you just need to put in more effort for transcribing

[shell dock]

I need just the voices, right? No instrumentals

[nocturne olive]

Yeah, you specifically only want the vocal

No overlap is preferred, no effects is even better

[shell dock]

Ok, I have the perfect tools to generating that

[nocturne olive]

Note that you need to transcribe the dataset with phoneme sequences and timings

So you need to determine what phonemes are where

There is however tools to help you create a base transcript which is a decent accuracy

[shell dock]

Not text, phonemes?

That's going to be horrible

Text is very easy to get the perfect timings for

[nocturne olive]

Yeah, vocal synthesizers take phonemes

[shell dock]

Is there something like whisper for phonemes? lul

[nocturne olive]

You can use Whisper with LabelMakr to generate a base phoneme transcript with the ARPASING phoneme set

[shell dock]

If I get that done nicely, I might do different languages, actually

The point of the AI is that she's multilingual

[nocturne olive]

You do need to manually look trough everything to make sure it's accurate and adjust things, but it makes it easier than doing from scratch

I've even created tools that allow for exporting dataset files directly from a vocal synthesizer program which some consider even better for this

[shell dock]

hmmm

Oh, if I had access to a dataset for a synthesizer, I could just RVC the audio and it would be pre-transcribed

But I guess that'd be asking too much

[nocturne olive]

Yes, that is how NeuroSynth-BETA-X series is done

[sour harness]

...wait, Neuro is not running quantized?

[shell dock]

Is it open source?

[nocturne olive]

How would you know?

[nocturne olive]

Private BETA, but all the datasets are just picked off the internet

[sour harness]

Vedal just said "We could run you quantized" (to save energy)

[nocturne olive]

Whuh

[ruby timber]

What does quantized mean

[nocturne olive]

You know how GGUF LLMs exist and they have those Q numbers? Well, a lower Q number means a lower quant, essentially indicates the average bits per weight value

A lower quant will use less memory

But there is sometimes a performance penalty on model accuracy

[stark needle]

quantized means turning a higher precision number into a lower precision number

e.g. fp32 -> fp16 conversion or converting a float into int8

and like do it as lossless as possible

[shell dock]

Let me see how badly my voice conversion performs on the example you gave

[nocturne olive]

Which example?

[shell dock]

Your RVC

[nocturne olive]

Oh, Machine love?

[shell dock]

I bet mine is just going to faint in the end

And the japanese

[nocturne olive]

No way your voice conversion can do it properly, Machine love is done using SynthV + RVC where we have way more tracks, so there's tons of overlap

[shell dock]

Too much yelling, I don't think my vocal reduction algorithm will work

But until the very ending I bet she can do it well

[ruby timber]

I see

[ruby timber]

Oooooh okay that I can get behind okay

So you'd lose precision on the model

[nocturne olive]

With the amount of overlap in Machine love you're definitely not raw-RVCing it

[shell dock]

I do a bit more than that to deal with overlaps

It worked very well on Epic

[nocturne olive]

Definitely not gonna be even close to Neuro RVC Machine love, or even the internal pure NeuroSynth Machine love even though that one has errors

[shell dock]

It'll be a nice test anyway

[nocturne olive]

Very silly

[shell dock]

It lost a BUNCH OF THE NOISE IN THE BEGINING

Not sure why

[nocturne olive]

Noise?

You mean the pixel-effect?

[shell dock]

She can't yell well T.T

[nocturne olive]

That's probably just a lack of data on that

[shell dock]

I mean, the result isn't BAD.

It's just very obviously not the same thing

It sounds like my AI singing the same song with the same rithm and not really trying to yell

[nocturne olive]

How strange

Can I hear, maybe I could help you imrove?

[shell dock]

I made it with very few diffusion steps though

Just to test

[nocturne olive]

What GPU you got?

[shell dock]

Can't drop the .wav here

[nocturne olive]

What's stopping you?

[shell dock]

rtx 3060

[nocturne olive]

12GB model?

[shell dock]

ye

HER TRYING TO SPEAK JAPANESE

I'M CRYING

[nocturne olive]

Neurocord has this boost perk to allow uploading files up to 100MB

Oh, you lack embed perms?

[inner pike]

yeah they dont have embed perms

[nocturne olive]

You could send me in DMs, if it's too big encode it to a smaller file

[shell dock]

Found a problem with my merging process

Fixing, I was suspecting I had some normalization problems, but machine love made it clear that I had to set an extra flag

[nocturne olive]

The thing with voice changers is they can directly sing any language pretty easily, though there's some random issues sometimes
Example:

(Finnish Neuro is great)

[shell dock]

Now the noise is back! Nice

And the effects of vocal reduction and distribution are MUCH better 😄

Still an atrocity when yelling, but sounds much nicer

[rare bramble]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1093753884738068530/1155564184210247691/listening.gif

[nocturne olive]

If you could send me something somehow that would be cool
I would like to see if I could point you in some good direction

[olive sable]

bro wtf are they pathfinding to???

oh i get it, cuz other screeps were hogging the energy source the A* pathfinding decides the other room was cheaper than mining here lmao

nah wait wtf

bro keeps hopping the border back and forth

what are you doing???????????

?????

[inner pike]

are there any rooms nearby that are good still left ?

[olive sable]

ye

some are decent nearby i think

[inner pike]

well idk whats decent

[olive sable]

go to the beginners area

green part

[inner pike]

i wanna be near you guys though

[olive sable]

we are there too

im at E35N37

[inner pike]

yeah i remembered

but most of the green stuff only has 1 energy source

[olive sable]

ye, those are the most popular for obvious reasons

[inner pike]

you only have two energy sources, right ?

[olive sable]

yep

[inner pike]

E37N36 ?

Maybe ?

[olive sable]

looks decent ye

[inner pike]

that room controller position is kinda ass

[stark needle]

[inner pike]

they have to go all the way around there

[olive sable]

oh

oof

[olive sable]

we're playing screeps

[nocturne olive]

Still sillying with the expensive game?

[olive sable]

its 7,50 lmao

[inner pike]

its 8€

[real sierra]

?

[nocturne olive]

That's infinitely more than 0

[olive sable]

local pricing

[inner pike]

i rounded up

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

lemme check

[inner pike]

its 7,49€ for me

[olive sable]

shiros room is still alive

[nocturne olive]

Any positive non-zero price is still infinite times larger than 0

0 being how much money I have to spare

[olive sable]

i really bankrupted you huh

[nocturne olive]

Hopefully just temporarily

[stark needle]

how difficult is this game

[inner pike]

its javascript

[olive sable]

it depends on what you find hard

[real sierra]

[inner pike]

[stark needle]

hell frigging nah

[inner pike]

I wonder what the message says

[stark needle]

😭

aint no way im coding javascript for fun

[real sierra]

you can use wasm

[real sierra]

there's bindings for other langs to compile to wasm

then you can use minimal js to bootstrap it

[inner pike]

I wasnt sure if you get a notification for getting a message from me lmao

[olive sable]

js is apparently not too hard, just a bit on the spectrum

[stark needle]

ugh

yea no i'll pass

😭

[inner pike]

hey its just like me

[real sierra]

missing out on peak because doesn't want to learn new language

[inner pike]

well the second part of the sentence

[olive sable]

...not too hard?

[inner pike]

I corrected myself

right after i realised what i said

[stark needle]

do you have to code all movement and all logic etc from scratch?

[olive sable]

no

[inner pike]

Its java script not scratch

[olive sable]

kinda looks like this for me

[stark needle]

i'll pass i think

i need to study

frigging

trapezoid geometry

[olive sable]

bro is responsibl

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

[real sierra]

depends what you mean

there's some built-ins for pathfinding

but the logic of where and when to move is up to you

[inner pike]

you should give it a try shadow

[real sierra]

mostly you're coding in the strategic elements

[inner pike]

else im sending this in general

[real sierra]

theres convenience methods for much of the required boilerplate

[inner pike]

( im not going to )

[real sierra]

I won't pressure you if you don't want to, but I came into it not even knowing js and found it a fun way to learn the language

[stark needle]

send it

idc

[inner pike]

i was joking

[real sierra]

can't believe I got attacked tho

seems too soon

[inner pike]

the moment i settle down im sending a bot that just says "HBD Shiro" over and over again

[stark needle]

😭

[inner pike]

@real sierra Are any good rooms still left nearby ?

[real sierra]

depends what you call a good room

I'm not home so I can't check the map

[inner pike]

there was one that seemed okay but the controllers position is ass

[real sierra]

pick something with 2 sources for starters

[inner pike]

(This is a 2 source room )

[opaque wharf]

Dang, I almot have a 10 hr sleep

[real sierra]

where is the controller

[inner pike]

its the black circle

in the middle left

look at where it is compared to the energy source

[real sierra]

ohh my phone was too dim to see at first

yeah that's a bit of a walk

[opaque wharf]

What is the dev stream about?

I missed it

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Sam, you are here for the dev stream. How come did you missed it. How could you

[distant blaze]

@real sierra happy birthday!

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

im on vacation

i dont watch twitch on vacation

[opaque wharf]

And yet you play screeps

[olive sable]

thats diffrent

for streams i need a 2nd monitor

[opaque wharf]

Buy a portable 2nd monitor. Honestly it's been a great investment for me

[olive sable]

cant do that rn smh

[opaque wharf]

2nd monitor everywhere

[rare bridge]

finally

i can cook

[olive sable]

[rare bridge]

what was i cooking

[opaque wharf]

Screeps server egg

[rare bridge]

finally, turret

what's the range of a turret

INFINITE??