So I haven't finished the installation
#programming
tacit plover
opaque sigil
there's a git plugin for the editor apparently
opaque wharf
there's a git plugin for the editor apparently
Oh, so the editor doesn't include it by default? They just generate the metadata?
Because at least they do support generating metadata for git
opaque sigil
seems like it
opaque wharf
Then use gitgui
opaque sigil
opaque wharf
Or github gui
rough bloom
as the default editor for Git you can use whatever, just don't use anything that takes a minute to start up because that's annoying
so yeah, Notepad++ should work
though you likely won't be using it much anyway
tacit plover
opaque wharf
as the default editor for Git you can use whatever, just don't use anything that...
OH
opaque sigil
ah, the metadata is just .gitignore and .gitattributes
tacit plover
Oh checking through the options there's atom too
opaque wharf
I forgot its about the git installation on windows
I forgot that they asked default editor there
I suggest just use vscode
opaque sigil
they do have pretty nice git integration, especially for merges and rebasing 
tacit plover
I suggest just use vscode
I have 0 experience with vscode
opaque wharf
I have 0 experience with vscode
Yeah but you won't spend much time in it anyway
It's just handy when git needs it to resolve something
tacit plover
Oh, Atom has been sunset
rough bloom
they do have pretty nice git integration, especially for merges and rebasing <:n...
in this particular case it wouldn't matter
it's basically just for setting up interactive rebases and writing long commit messages 
(but yes VS Code Git integration is nice in general, just not for this particular task)
opaque sigil
that's what i was talking about
olive sable
they're going yaaaaaaaaay
opaque sigil
Oh, Atom has been sunset
yeeeeeah, vs code is the spiritual successor to atom
opaque wharf
Still waiting until lapce is ready
opaque sigil
what's missing from lapce
tacit plover
Actually, I don't think I know what vsc is
real sierra
vscode?
tacit plover
Yes
tacit plover
That's what I'm seeing
real sierra
it doesn't natively have every feature that a common IDE has, but many things can be added with plugins
opaque sigil
made me go to their website and 75% of the landing page is about ai 
tacit plover
I thought the coding in VSC was through dragging boxes and stuff
opaque sigil
guess this is the world we live in now
opaque wharf
what's missing from lapce
Is not v1 yet, so I expect instability. Also the instability will make the ecosystem harder to flourish still. So, just the ecosystem I guess
Like platformIO for example
opaque sigil
i see, fair
i remember the one time i tried it they were missing a bunch of stuff still
ecosystem is a big one
as much as i like zed as an editor it's nice being able to use vsc for absolutely everything
rigid snow
Oh, Atom has been sunset
i remember atom 🧓
opaque wharf
I thought the coding in VSC was through dragging boxes and stuff
If the language is a visual one like National Instrument stuff for example, and VSCode has a plugins for it, it could probably looks like any other drag and drop editor
opaque wharf
as much as i like zed as an editor it's nice being able to use vsc for absolutel...
Yep. I don't use zed because they release for macOS at first so I just didn't bother to read more about it until today
opaque sigil
sth sth it isn't the by far most used code editor for no reason
tbh i'll probably switch over to zed whenever they fix their remote dev stuff so i can access wsl files without too much of a hassle
opaque wharf
Also nice if you're developing on many different field. Like I could have firmware development along with web just by selectively activating the plugins
olive sable
the position of this energy is a bit unoptimal lmao
opaque sigil
sometimes i wish polyglot projects weren't such a pain
rigid snow
JNI 
real sierra
the position of this energy is a bit unoptimal lmao
believe me, i know 
olive sable
opaque sigil
bazel is probably the best build system for this but it's bazel soooooooo
olive sable
are here miners ingame?
real sierra
?
olive sable
to remove the walls blocking it
real sierra
you can't remove natural walls
olive sable
fuuuck
real sierra
you can build roads on them
olive sable
oh
real sierra
but its expensive to do and expensive to maintain
and in practice i find one miner is enough
opaque wharf
bazel is probably the best build system for this but it's bazel soooooooo
bazel is probably the best build system
Way to get my attention there
olive sable
opaque sigil
it's true tbf
real sierra
you know
i should add a
room.find(FIND_HOSTILE_CONSTRUCTION_SITES).forEach((site) => site.remove());
to my script
opaque sigil
else if
real sierra
if (cond) {
// stuff
} else if (cond2) {
// stuff
} else {
// stuff
}
ok
opaque wharf
it's true tbf
You know, I'd agree if it weren't for the fact that it is so much pain to use. But I guess the nature of polyglot itself is already cursed as it is
If my monorepo needs any other build system, I'm just going to write the script to run it in typescript and use tsx lmao
rigid snow
```js
if (cond) {
// stuff
} else if (cond2) {
// stuff
} else {
// stuff
...
no sam, this is the CORRECT way, used by REAL react developers: ```js
(cond && (/* stuff /)) || (cond2 && (/ stuff /)) || / stuff */
My goto stack is pnpm + biome + tsx + rolldown
Anything else WILL be run using ./scripts at the workspace root
rigid snow
using bun as a bundler 
opaque wharf
sth sth bun replaces 3 of those
Does bun support monorepo structure package management too?
opaque wharf
I use pnpm for their workspace features and the symlink thingy
opaque sigil
rigid snow
huge ass embed
real sierra
no sam, this is the CORRECT way, used by REAL react developers: ```js
(cond && (...
const conditions = [c1, c2, ...];
const functions = [f1, f2, ...];
functions[conditions.findIndex((c) => c)]();
i'm schizo
opaque wharf
I love this from pnpm
https://pnpm.io/catalogs
opaque sigil
https://bun.sh/docs/install/catalogs there's this but idk how similar it is
i never use monorepos so
opaque wharf
```js
const conditions = [c1, c2, ...];
const functions = [f1, f2, ...];
functi...
Shiro has been learning JS for a while and already comes up with cursed stuff
real sierra
the sudden explosion of construction projects in my room has decimated the local economy
all energy reserves are empty and the units are getting smaller in response
im watching famine in real time
opaque wharf
<https://bun.sh/docs/install/catalogs> there's this but idk how similar it is
Nice. It's nice to have because you will not have dependency version mismatch between packages
opaque sigil
but yeah, bun pretty nice would recommend at least giving it a try 
i feel like i'm about to be crucified
real sierra
opaque wharf
sudo pacman -S bun error: target not found: bun
opaque wharf
real sierra
not anymore 
opaque sigil
`sudo pacman -S bun` `error: target not found: bun`
there's bun-bin in the aur i think
wonder why they haven't been added to extra actually
deno is in there
olive sable
i am so good 
opaque wharf
I'm trying to keep this thing down lmao
opaque wharf
But yeah, I've installed it
olive sable
oh i thought my wifi just dropped lmao
real sierra
it was just temporary it seems
opaque sigil
I'm trying to keep this thing down lmao
i just use paru for everything
rare bridge
where are my ticks
real sierra
me and cloud have been worried about crazyfish
opaque wharf
i just use paru for everything <:neuroPogHD:1057778797056901130>
I still prefer to rawdog pacman whenever possible. It's quite powerful package manager
rare bridge
crazyfish
olive sable
oh no
real sierra
in addition to their existing two
i better get my act together quick
who is hammering two shards at once
real sierra
at least crazyfish is far
the novice area has invincible walls around its entire boundary
farmer joe cant get to you for another 11 days
real sierra
provismet scares me the same way sam fears joe
they own two rooms that i can see
and have 3 more reserved and harvested from
and they're right next to me
sonic scroll
What's all this?
olive sable
im using 1-4 cpu and 1/2k mem apparently
rare bridge
im using 1-4 cpu and 1/2k mem apparently
your screeps are stuck in swamps
olive sable
fuck
opaque sigil
I still prefer to rawdog pacman whenever possible. It's quite powerful package m...
i mean, paru just delegates everything other than the couple things it adds to pacman so you can treat it exactly like pacman
olive sable
why is it swamp there? they managed to mine before????
rare bridge
i currently fear tanriol the same way you two fear provismet and joe
opaque wharf
i mean, paru just delegates everything other than the couple things it adds to p...
I mean, yeah, but I love that aurto just use aurutils, which in turn is just another repo for pacman to look into
rare bridge
they have 3 solid rooms with 6 reservations
olive sable
can i check in on the sceeps on mobile? mayhaps tabet?
opaque wharf
Anyway, back to my question. What is good OCR for table? 
opaque sigil
have you tried the mistral one
rare bridge
i gotta build a proper defence within 11 days before tanriol steamrolls me
opaque wharf
I only need the OCR for this one time lol
opaque wharf
Y'all should make a faction
rare bridge
he's on my DOORSTEP
opaque wharf
Be Neuro-sama swarm there
real sierra
i dont have the spare cpu cycles for IFF
rare bridge
stresstest for my code
olive sable
so why are my screeos stuck now? and why is my energy source pathfinding to the room controller?
opaque wharf
i dont have the spare cpu cycles for IFF
Friendly fire is acceptable for the swarm
real sierra
so why are my screeos stuck now? and why is my energy source pathfinding to the ...
the source is pathfinding?
opaque wharf
What harms does a little friendly fire brings when you have more swarm to throw at the enemies
rare bridge
why is the source pathfinding
real sierra
pov: sam's source apparently
olive sable
the source do be showing a line to the room controller
opaque wharf
so why are my screeos stuck now? and why is my energy source pathfinding to the ...
Sam managed to move cursed C++ to cursed JS
olive sable
hihihihih
rare bridge
WHAT
real sierra
the source do be showing a line to the room controller
HOW
opaque sigil
dare i say, an upgrade
opaque wharf
olive sable
rare bridge
oh wait
i see
wan of the creeps is pathfinding to the source
wan of the creeps is pathfinding to the controller
real sierra
chills
rare bridge
real sierra
but yeah i see it now
olive sable
rare bridge
so are you gonna do anything or...
amber fractal
Sam managed to move cursed C++ to cursed JS
And it was told to not be possible
real sierra
rare bridge
oh they got stunlocked
real sierra
seems mostly stable atm
amber fractal
shard 3 about to stunlock again 
real sierra
sonic scroll
What is Screeps?
amber fractal
@real sierra
opaque wharf
What is Screeps?
A full time job
real sierra
well seen as you didnt read my short description
Screeps: World is an open source MMO RTS sandbox game. With all the attributes of a full-fledged strategy game, you control your colony by writing script that operates 24/7 in the single persistent open world filled by other players on par with you.
Your colony can harvest resources, build units, conquer territory, trade with other colonies. As you conquer more territory, your influence in the game world grows, as well as your abilities to expand your footprint. But beware, multiple players aiming for the same territory may lead to conflict!
Screeps is developed for people with programming skills. Unlike some other RTS games, your units in Screeps can react to events without your participation – provided that you have programmed them properly. And, unlike other MMO, you do not have to play Screeps constantly to play well. It is quite enough just to check once in a while to see if everything goes well.
opaque wharf
This is the weekend and y'all be coding
real sierra
"weekend" is defined by convention
olive sable
as a mod shiro is never off te clock
opaque wharf
"weekend" is defined by convention
So, sunday or monday for you?
real sierra
So, sunday or monday for you? <:neuroTroll:1155281375767838850>
FRIDAY
olive sable
oh a screep died, sadge
real sierra
(my definition of weekday changes according to whatever makes me win the argument)
economy is real bad
olive sable
oh i forgot to make the game delete old screeps data
fuck
what is the func for that again?
real sierra
js has a special keyword for deleting variables and entries of arrays/objects, e.g.
delete Memory.creeps[id];
delete Memory
in python this is unused as del
opaque wharf
There, lobotomy completed
real sierra
logistics creeps holding up my entire society rn
opaque wharf
logistics creeps holding up my entire society rn
As is real life logistics worker
real sierra
miner job: collect energy
builder job: build, repair
logistics job: drag creeps to destinations, collect dropped energy, collect remains from tombstones and ruins, redistribute energy between storages
i still have no idea how one uses all 2MB of this memory
olive sable
ig u use mem to lessen cpu by caching paths and shit
amber fractal
i still have no idea how one uses all 2MB of this memory
Saving all paths in 20 rooms mhm
real sierra
bad word
tacit plover
Figuring out how to do the version control system thing for godot
honest scaffold
> Screeps: World is an open source MMO RTS sandbox game. With all the attributes...
do you need to actually know javascript to play screeps or learning in process is viable way to play this
honest scaffold
nocturne olive
You're still sillying the same game?
nocturne olive
Unfortunately I can't do that because game too expensive and I'm broke
real sierra
may you happen upon $5 soon
olive sable
ikinda stole all his money so uhhhh
nocturne olive
3090 was very expensive
opaque wharf
Figuring out how to do the version control system thing for godot <:evilDeadge:1...
Use a GUI tools
It's easier if you're not familiar with git
tacit plover
What's that
opaque wharf
rare bridge
okay i'm back
olive sable
im so gud lesgooooooooo 
var roleHarvester = require('role.harvester');
module.exports.loop = function ()
{
let harvesters = _.filter(Game.creeps, (creep) => creep.memory.role == 'harvester');
if (harvesters.length < 4)
{
let screepname = 'harvester_' + Game.time;
if (Game.spawns['Spawn1'].spawnCreep([WORK,CARRY,MOVE], screepname, {memory: {role: 'harvester'}}) == 0)
{
console.log('new harvester: ' + screepname);
}
}
for (const name in Memory.creeps)
{
if(!Game.creeps[name])
{
delete Memory.creeps[name];
console.log('Clearing non-existing creep memory:', name);
}
else
{
let creep = Game.creeps[name];
if (creep.memory.role == 'harvester')
{
roleHarvester.run(creep, 0);
}
}
}
}
May as well install the godot git plugin at that point tbf
nocturne olive
ikinda stole all his money so uhhhh
I need the 3090 more than the money anyway, just gonna be broke for a while
opaque wharf
May as well install the godot git plugin at that point tbf
I don't know how the plugins integrate into the editor 
real sierra
im so gud lesgooooooooo <a:dancingcat:1253722949718900820>
```js
var roleHarves...
why is he writing better code than me already 
opaque wharf
But yeah, maybe its better to use the plugins
rare bridge
i wonder who actually has the best code 
olive sable
i barely know js, but im jsut that gud
nocturne olive
<:POGGIES:1096887021311639593> <:Thought1:1090960518770069626> why is he writing...
You're talking to the person that casually made a game engine that performs better than every average AAA game
olive sable
even the cocacola company says im just that gud, they call me mrgud
rare bridge
<:neurOMEGALUL:1097297318119743638>
i do actually wonder tho, i'd imagine your code is the most efficient
opaque wharf
even the cocacola company says im just that gud, they call me mrgud
Until you use git that is
real sierra
lets summarize all the approaches so far
the rust user is on day 2 of writing their typedefs and classes
rare bridge
my code takes a ton of time just to get a creep to do a thing
real sierra
i havent heard from the clojure user in about an hour and i assume they died to syntax
opaque sigil
i find it kind of funny how they added vcs plugins but as far as i can tell git is the only one that exists
hoary lion
or screeps cup of #programming ig
real sierra
the javascript teams are all losing to poor javascript design decisions
hoary lion
facts
opaque wharf
the javascript teams are all losing to poor javascript design decisions
The server admin is playing the game instead of hosting it
real sierra
and you narrowly avoid this fate thanks to typescript threatening to burn your house down if you dont check for undefined before every statement
rare bridge
well the checks for undefined work
opaque wharf
I love #programming
rare bridge
i'm literally avoiding all the hell everyone else is having by using a fucking FRAMEWORK
of all things
olive sable
wait who is doing ts?
real sierra
cloud
rare bridge
me
nocturne olive
It would be funny if I could play the funny game with Kotlin, if I had the game to begin with
Kotlin happens to be my favorite language
opaque wharf
is ts better?
Yes
rare bridge
yes
olive sable
then wy tf are we using js?
opaque sigil
because you hate yourself i assumed
opaque wharf
then wy tf are we using js?
That's on you lol
nocturne olive
Now that seems like peak silliness
Guess we'll see if I still remember that in a few months when I can afford the game
rare bridge
shiro starts buying screeps for people
opaque wharf
should i just buy it for you
Dew it
hoary lion
extending the colony
olive sable
every 10 min i have a "i wonder what my screes are doing"
opaque wharf
So we all can get in on the silliness
olive sable
rare bridge
mine are uhhh
opaque sigil
we lost him
rare bridge
not defending themselves!
opaque wharf
every 10 min i have a "i wonder what my screes are doing"
The addiction is kicking in
real sierra
the good news is that i always know what my screeps are doing
olive sable
can i get modulo in js?
real sierra
the bad news is that it's often not what i want them to be doing
nocturne olive
should i just buy it for you
It would be funny, but only if you want to
opaque wharf
can i get modulo in js?
Its %
real sierra
can i get modulo in js?
a % b
real sierra
i may not have cloud's nice vis, but i know what my screeps are up to
opaque wharf
Or at the wrong place
opaque sigil
just remember % works differently with negative numbers
not that it should come up hopefully
rare bridge
they'll build any structure they can currently, there's no priority system
olive sable
do we have .index() in js?
real sierra
do we have .index() in js?
what would it do if it did exist
opaque wharf
not that it should come up hopefully
Too optimistic here
opaque sigil
what that
olive sable
what would it do if it did exist
make some harvesters go to a dif source of enegy
real sierra
make some harvesters go to a dif source of enegy
no i mean what is .index()
opaque sigil
oh yeah
real sierra
you didnt give me a source lang or anything so i dont know what function you're looking for
trim valve
need to touch grass
opaque sigil
indexOf is what you want
olive sable
no i mean what is `.index()`
python
opaque wharf
rare bridge
opaque wharf
Nope, I shows up first bozo
rare bridge
they'll build any structure they can currently, there's no priority system
i can implement one if needed
opaque wharf
opaque sigil
you
opaque wharf
Dangit
rare bridge
who was first
you
opaque wharf
SEA debuff
hoary lion
someone should host screeps atp
opaque wharf
someone should host screeps atp
See, the funny thing is that...
hoary lion
#programming war
real sierra
this is my screeps tabs starter pack
rare bridge
someone should host screeps atp
hoary lion
See, the funny thing is that...
i might be missing a lot
opaque wharf
i might be missing a lot
Indeed
hoary lion
did i say something wrong
opaque wharf
Anyone playing here is doing anything BUT playing the game
sonic scroll
Is this like a programmable colonization game from what I'm understanding.
opaque wharf
Meanwhile the server host is playing screeps instead of hosting the server
olive sable
fake mews TypeError: Game.creeps.indexOf is not a function
real sierra
Is this like a programmable colonization game from what I'm understanding.
i sent you two descriptions did you want me to explain a particular aspect of it or
rare bridge
fake mews `TypeError: Game.creeps.indexOf is not a function`
Game.creeps isn't an array
olive sable
then wtf is it?
opaque wharf
See, that is why typescript is superior
real sierra
keys, values
olive sable
bruhh
rare bridge
See, that is why typescript is superior
typescript would tell you "no that method doesn't exist on this" 
real sierra
if you want the keys from it:
for (creepid in Game.creeps) {
// ...
}
if you want the values:
for (creep of Object.values(Game.creeps)) {
// ...
}
Honestly, don't bother at this point.
I don't think I'll get it.
opaque wharf
typescript would tell you "no that method doesn't exist on this" <:CerberOMEGALU...
Indeed. But on the other hand Object.assign([0,1,2], { data: 'something' })
olive sable
i have a bad idea, but it will work
rare bridge
Indeed. But on the other hand `Object.assign([0,1,2], { data: 'something' })` <:...
valid considering Array extends Object
opaque sigil
i love assigning random data to functions
real sierra
Honestly, don't bother at this point.
it's a strategy game, where players each own a colony of creatures called "Creeps"
the main gimmick is that players don't manually create or control units. instead, they write code to automate these processes
all of this takes place in a large online world running 24/7 with hundreds of players
opaque wharf
I love using Object.assign to have tuple return from function, but also wanted it to be an object at the same time
real sierra
also i apologise if i came off as impatient
rare bridge
i think running at this rate, i'll have my extenders and roads done overnight
sonic scroll
it's a strategy game, where players each own a colony of creatures called "Creep...
I see. So bascially, you program your own colonies.
real sierra
i just dont know if my previous descriptions got missed or didnt make sense
real sierra
I see. So bascially, you program your own colonies.
opaque wharf
function some() {
const a = 'hello'
const b = 'world'
return Object.assign([a, b] as const, {a,b})
}
No I'm just stupid.
real sierra
hence why the whole channel here is obsessed now
opaque wharf
So the caller have a choice
const [a,b] = some()
// or
const {a,b} = some()
wtf is "as const"
rare bridge
the extenders will give me... 300 + (50 * 5) so 550 energy to spawn creeps
opaque sigil
as its constant/literal type
olive sable
good enough
sonic scroll
Where's the link to this place?
opaque wharf
wtf
It's used by https://orpc.unnoq.com/ IIRC
rare bridge
i just have a memory garbage collector function
opaque wharf
i just have a memory garbage collector function
Garbage collector in a garbage collected language
real sierra
good enough
index = 1 - index;
save one instruction, for that maximum efficiency 
rare bridge
function cleanUpMemory() {
// Remove memory of missing creeps
for (const name in Memory.creeps) {
if (!(name in Game.creeps)) {
delete Memory.creeps[name];
}
}
}
it's a purchased game, costs about $8
rare bridge
Garbage collector in a garbage collected language <:neurOMEGALUL:109729731811974...
well in my defence the memory isn't garbage collected in this game, gotta do it yourself
olive sable
i see no problem with having 10 harvesters and nothing else
real sierra
you jest but people dismantling my walls is a genuine concern
real sierra
sonic scroll
They used Kevin Macleod music for the trailer?
sonic scroll
But man
real sierra
for 11 days or so
rare bridge
probably
sonic scroll
I am like $1.50 short.
olive sable
short
even shorter than konii
@sage crag you can be tall now
bask in the glory
real sierra
i wish i was short
opaque wharf
If regional pricing didn't block me from gifting I would love to gift it to people in #programming
real sierra
being tall automatically makes you an employee of every store
"could you grab me one of those off the top shelf? thank you so much"
olive sable
i wish i was short
same
rare bridge
shiro how much did it damage roads every tick by being on walls again?
real sierra
shiro how much did it damage roads every tick by being on walls again?
Loses 15,000 hits every 1,000 ticks on walls
olive sable
shiro my living screeps wiki bless
opaque wharf
Dual monitor when playing screeps is crazy for a game
real sierra
over the last few days i have looked at every single class and function in this game
rare bridge
> Loses 15,000 hits every 1,000 ticks on walls
so they straight up fucking die every 1,000 ticks?
real sierra
so they straight up fucking die every 1,000 ticks?
oh you sweet summer child
you probably thought they had the same amount of hitpoints too
my condolences if you planned on getting them to max health
Hits
- 5,000 on plain land
- 25,000 on swamp
- 750,000 on walls
rare bridge
olive sable
rare bridge
my repair program tries to repair up to 50% of hits
opaque wharf
Oh shiro, I just come up with a strat to attack
rare bridge
fuckkkk
opaque wharf
If road can be made on walls
Just use builder to build road on walls
You avert the enemy attack
nocturne olive
If regional pricing didn't block me from gifting I would love to gift it to peop...
Really an unfortunate but understandable feature of Steam
olive sable
put road n wall at least priority
real sierra
```js
room.find(FIND_HOSTILE_CONSTRUCTION_SITES).forEach((site) => site.remove()...
i realized this earlier and made a countermeasure
gotta stay ahead of the game
opaque wharf
Really an unfortunate but understandable feature of Steam
Yeah, I think it being abused is what make steam took action
olive sable
my screeps are doing so well
nocturne olive
Yeah, I think it being abused is what make steam took action
Yeah, someone could start selling the games for cheaper prices and make a profit by being in a region where the game is very cheap
olive sable
fuck having children, ill just make more screeps
opaque wharf
i realized this earlier and made a countermeasure
This will only remove structure
real sierra
This will only remove structure <:neurOMEGALUL:1097297318119743638>
removes construction site
opaque wharf
Yeah, someone could start selling the games for cheaper prices and make a profit...
Indeed
opaque wharf
removes construction site
I mean only one
opaque wharf
You want findAll
opaque wharf
real sierra
do not lecture me on the screeps API
i am the API
but if i have this knowledge why am i so bad at the game 
rare bridge
shiro
real sierra
hi sunshine
olive sable
for (name in shiro.screeps)
real sierra
good for you
sonic scroll
<:Ok:1086460485433573436> good for you
Can democracy be programmed?
olive sable
hi sunshine
still flirting for the server?
real sierra
*how do you expect to remove it*
sonic scroll
If yes, I know what I'm doing.
rare bridge
oh okay fair enough
real sierra
this implies it only fails if you remove a hostile site in a room you dont own
what did i just say about quizzing me on the api
real sierra
Can democracy be programmed?
in theory sure, if you know how to model that
you can program them to do anything you'd like
olive sable
still flirting for the server?
its okay if you just like cloud, nobodyy will judge you 
sonic scroll
in theory sure, if you know how to model that
opaque wharf
If yes, I know what I'm doing.
Another one that wanted to play but doing anything BUT playing the game
sonic scroll
Because I don't have the game.
real sierra
its okay if you just like cloud, nobodyy will judge you <:okp:130309957863080352...
i tried to call them the opposite of cloudburst so i can meet my annoyance quota of the day
opaque wharf
i tried to call them the opposite of cloudburst so i can meet my annoyance quota...
Earth implode?
olive sable
i did not relaize
rare bridge
opposite would be a drought btw shiro
real sierra
Because I don't have the game.
there's a running joke where everyone here who shows interest in the game ends up dumping all their time here into a side task instead of things that give them practical success in the game
olive sable
sunshine just sounds like flirting lmao
sonic scroll
there's a running joke where everyone here who shows interest in the game ends u...
Sounds about right.
olive sable
i apparently wouldnt
opaque wharf
Shiro has rizz
olive sable
unintentional rizz
real sierra
you reminded me of a blursed clip just now
olive sable
the best kind?
nocturne olive
Plentiful silliness
rare bridge
one sec
opaque wharf
I wonder if they ever consider screeps runtime
real sierra
one sec
what are you getting cloudburst
you cant know the clip i mean
its not possible
that was such a fever dream event
olive sable
i see shiro's screeps frantically building walls while leaving the actually vulnerable spot open
rare bridge
no i just brutally murdered someone in the back alley
real sierra
i see shiro's screeps frantically building walls while leaving the actually vuln...
my screeps arent building walls
olive sable
real sierra
what is sam smoking
tacit plover
https://git-scm.com/downloads/guis
I'm so confused
olive sable
my screeps arent building walls
then wtf is that red spot supposed to be?
sonic scroll
Which one should I use, the dedicated server or Screeps: World?
real sierra
Which one should I use, the dedicated server or Screeps: World?
Screeps: World
rare bridge
what dedicated server
real sierra
then wtf is that red spot supposed to be?
which room are you looking at
opaque wharf
I'm so confused
rare bridge
okay after these creeps build this extension i can spawn beefier versions
nocturne olive
Which one should I use, the dedicated server or Screeps: World?
Did you just speedrun getting the game or something? How very silly
olive sable
which room are you looking at
sonic scroll
Did you just speedrun getting the game or something? How very silly
Because I like programming.
real sierra
if anything, those are the best defended parts of my wall
olive sable
those are ramparts <a:Om:1140110887668158576>
wut?
nocturne olive
Because I like programming.
Very exceptionally silly
Meanwhile I'm broke after getting a 3090
olive sable
https://docs.screeps.com/defense.html#Passive-defense-ramparts
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
ok carry on
tacit plover
Just use https://github.com/godotengine/godot-git-plugin/wiki
Ok
olive sable
idk what cloud is doing rn, building paths?
real sierra
sam what did you think of my base layout 
real sierra
i agree i dont know if its good either
opaque wharf
my base is a bit cramped
Bad strat when doing any RTS game
olive sable
im at E35N37 rn
rare bridge
idk what cloud is doing rn, building paths?
they're currently building extensions
olive sable
and what are those?
rare bridge
small bits of storage that spawners can access
olive sable
ahhh
real sierra
allows you to create more expensive units
olive sable
ye i do rmemebr those being in the tutorial
real sierra
for details RTFM
olive sable
lots of room for activiites in my base
imma log of tho
can i look on mobile at my screeps?
rare bridge
idk how well mobile behaves
real sierra
unsure
i kinda like the surprise of not knowing how they're doing till the morning anyway
motivates me to get out of bed
olive sable
iirc screeps move worse in swamp?
real sierra
5x worse, yes
olive sable
thats why they're all chilling up there i guess
my spawn is in a swamp too, and so is my room controller
f
rare bridge
o7 spawn
olive sable
imma need to build some roads tomorrow
bro is not vasco da gamma
yep he changed his pathfinding already to go up
real sierra
i have this chokepoint in my room on the way to the controller:
sometimes, when a bunch of creeps clogged it
i would have units try to get to the other side by going to a different room and walking around
sonic scroll
Ok. I'm going to be real.
real sierra
had to fix that fast
sonic scroll
This game isn't for me.
olive sable
fair
real sierra
that's fair, it's quite coding heavy and not much traditional gameplay
olive sable
try to refund
real sierra
you can still refund
nocturne olive
Very programmer game
olive sable
i would say gn but we all know ill be up another 20 min trying to see my screeps on mobile
nocturne olive
I guess a game about coding automated stuff must be pretty code heavy
Though I can't confirm myself
olive sable
it is ye
real sierra
id definitely call this game niche
tender geode
id definitely call this game niche <:Ok:1086460485433573436>
Happy birthday Shiro! 
🎂
sonic scroll
I'm more python.
nocturne olive
it is ye
I guess that somewhat makes sense then
I like code though, it's one of the two things I'm quite reasonable at
sonic scroll
Kind of like KSP.
real sierra
(i sent you a letter full of affirmations and kind words)
rare bridge
i can't tell shiro hbd anymore because i'll get attacked by creeps
sonic scroll
Games not for the general market.
tender geode
check your mailbox
Joke's on you, I use Neuro's mailbox 'cause I'm on her head!
sonic scroll
i try not to
Not getting my money back.
sonic scroll
Oh no wonder this is so programming heavy.
real sierra
Joke's on you, I use Neuro's mailbox 'cause I'm on her head!
maybe neuro will read my letter?
real sierra
rare bridge
sonic scroll
I never claimed to be the smartest.
real sierra
general is over here --> #general-network
sonic scroll
This is why.
tender geode
<:POGGIES:1096887021311639593> maybe neuro will read my letter?
I'll try to get her to read it!
Anyway, this is the programming section, and it's hard to code with wings, so I'll move.
olive sable
amber fractal
Most on topic #programming ever has been
amber fractal
Needs to be added for #3
olive sable
Noway screeps mobile works
real sierra
opaque wharf
amber fractal
If top right were cult convert instead of hblang convert, it would already been crossed out at least 7 times this week
real sierra
screeps isnt a cult its just a fun little programming game
where the API docs happen to be gospel
amber fractal
I blame all of them on Shiro
real sierra
i have brought nothing but kindness and prosperity to programming channel
sweeps javascript under rug
rare bridge
just don't use javascript
amber fractal
Sure you don't want to be the reason top right is just a red mass?
betrayed by the wording of that square
olive sable
Screeps shall go right here
rare bridge
bro setting himself up for insomnia
amber fractal
real sierra
i was not responsible for any of this
all i did was share some of the code i wrote
rare bridge
i have a fun bug
sonic scroll
my dad even asked I was doing with the steam account.
rare bridge
wasp
sonic scroll
I just told him I tried the game and it wasn't for me.
rare bridge
apparently everything has to wait for this one fucking harvester to finish harvesting
literally NOTHING is happening because this one harvester was busy harvesting
alright, now everything is happening again because the world doesn't revolve around h_2333c08a81 anymore
real sierra
h_2333c08a81 : 
amber fractal
Sure you don't want to be the reason top right is just a red mass?
Anyone want to claim I2
real sierra
Anyone want to claim **I2** <:ReallyInnocent:1229173141088112640>
when i was writing my unit creator, i convinced myself the code was temporary and just copy-pasted what was there to expand it for the time being
sage crag
awawawa
real sierra
but i did this like 6 or 7 times and now its just the same code over and over but with hard-coded constants
its like 200 lines of the same thing
but theres a bunch of tiny tweaks to various sections to improve performance
so i dont think they're true copies anymore
and idk how to refactor it down to the 20 lines it should be
like
just to be clear
real sierra
TF JUST HAPPENED
olive sable
The moment i turn my laptop off they all break smh
amber fractal
#bingo Bottom left is screeps and I'll be having no objections
real sierra
here's the line of code that caps the miner budget at 700 energy
here's the 1100 energy miner that just got queued 
real sierra
that part is intentional
olive sable
Shiro drags his miners ye
real sierra
the realization is that i pay for each part and every second that a unit is not using a particular part is value lost
olive sable
Shiro can you check wtf my screeps are doing???
amber fractal
dancing mhm
olive sable
Cuz even with the code i hzve no clue
real sierra
they just seem to be walking to sources
and then grabbing energy
and walking back
actually some arent moving at all
i lied
they're all moving
olive sable
So why are some walking to africa znd back?
rare bridge
i wander if static miners would be the best option for me...
real sierra
they're walking to it
olive sable
The moment i turn my laptop off they all break smh
Thiz
real sierra
ah
sage crag
Shiro drags his miners ye
elvyn coded message
amber fractal
The next nearest slot is in africa
rare bridge
The moment i turn my laptop off they all break smh
one of your creeps is attempting to go walkies
sage crag
someone represent screeps as differential equations and then solve them numerically
to find optimal coefficients
real sierra
sage crag
rare bridge
their creeps really do be going walkies
real sierra
this is, as it turns out, insanely expensive for pathfinding
olive sable
Shit
real sierra
i fixed this just with
real sierra
creep.moveTo(target, {
maxRooms: 1
});
shiro, how useful is your system to make static miners?
real sierra
minerTemplate = util.getScaledBody(constants.PROPORTIONS_STATIC_MINER, Math.min(Math.min(Math.max(minerBudget, 200), budgetMax)), 700); // 700 is max useful mining rate
do you
do you see the issue
rare bridge
what on earth are you doing
amber fractal
```js
minerTemplate = util.getScaledBody(constants.PROPORTIONS_S...
I see the min
rare bridge
i assume what your code is trying to do is scale the static miner depending on the energy budget available
rare bridge
but yeah
real sierra
i hate this place
rare bridge
welcome to javascript
opaque sigil
rare bridge
tbh, ts wouldn't have defended against this
real sierra
javascript when i give 3 args to a 2 arg function:
rare bridge
oh actually it would have
real sierra
me not being a dumbass would've defended against this too 
how did i misplace a whole ass number
opaque sigil
Common typescript W
olive sable
How many screeps do yall have?
opaque sigil
real sierra
shiro, how useful is your system to make static miners?
lets put it this way
amber fractal
```js
minerTemplate = util.getScaledBody(constants.PROPORTIONS_S...
Why is there min, min, and max
I just noticed that as well
real sierra
a regular miner needs MOVE, CARRY, WORK minimum
but at any given time
they are either using the MOVE and CARRY
or using the WORK
one of those two categories is sitting idle at least 50% of the time
which is tons of money wasted
splitting the jobs of mining and hauling lets you get that utilization time way up
olive sable
How many screeps do yall have?
I glt 16 rn
real sierra
and it means you need fewer miners per source
in fact, according to my napkin math
and the reason for that 700 above
is that one miner with 7 work parts is sufficient for any source in the game
you can see the miner with 11 parts i accidentally made earlier has actually exhausted its source far ahead of time
olive sable
Shiro hiw many screeps do you have rn?
olive sable
I have more
rare bridge
opaque wharf
<:Hmm:889032126622728192> i wander if static miners would be the best option for...
According to shiro, it is a better bang for the buck to have specialized unit
real sierra
it does introduce two new fun problems
- static miners will drop collected resources on the ground where they will decay over time
- they cannot get to the sources on their own
olive sable
Aight goodnight yall 
rare bridge
with 1 in queu- WTF
oh look, same storage i use currently
lapis wraith
Can confirm. Errors mean nothing in JS. May be not an actual error or may be something mega critical but you end up ignoring it because half of your code is flooded with fake errors.
real sierra
i love how bullshit some of my systems are
when i was like 4 hours into the game i was like "yeah this seems reasonable for the creep unit budget"
olive sable
i like having friens to screeps with
real sierra
hasn't changed since
it was just some random combination of stats i pulled out of nowhere
but it isnt broke so
rare bridge
i might set up mining and logistics seperately like you have, but i'd want some sort of storage that the logistics puts into usually that everything else can pull from
so for now i'm on this slightly inefficient system
rare bridge
oh?
real sierra
secret 
real sierra
i cant even defeat QIS
sage crag
```ts
if (moveObstructed) {
findOtherPath();
}
```
brute force pathfind
rare bridge
i cant even defeat QIS
their defence fucking sucks tho 
honest scaffold
okay, i think screeps might be a decent motivation to learn javascript so i will try
will be back here in a few days when i start to understand shit
real sierra
yeah but ive been broke ever since construction started on the new extensions
drained all 10k stored energy
im waiting for my money to stabilize
then i can afford to accidentally create a platoon that empties my storage again
rare bridge
it's inevitable shiro 
real sierra
im now blocked in even more
id have to beat panda, sam or the invaders
all 3 are bad options 
rare bridge
true
i'm defended simply by my neighbours rn
not exactly the best situation since they could decide to target me
real sierra
i paid for the extensions, im gonna use the extensions
rare bridge
upgraders specifically upgrade the room controller right?
real sierra
rare bridge
right now i have harvesters on that task
i'll have to change their jobs soon tho
since when i set up static miners they won't need to mine anymore
thus can't exactly call them harvesters
i might prepare to go to sleep and let my creeps work overnight
opaque wharf
<:Hmm:889032126622728192> i might prepare to go to sleep and let my creeps work ...
Be like Sam, install screeps on mobile and get restless
sage crag
mrrp
real sierra
just made a 5head change
this should fix my resource distribution issues
it was only a few extra chars but it should ensure that units withdraw from the most full container of a given priority
and deposit to the one with the most free space of a given priority
rare bridge
oop, i think i might be able to convince my creeps to be a bit more bigger than normal
lemme try
real sierra
i get this terrible feeling every time a creep spawns
because i watch the lights go out on all 20 or so extensions
and it just feels like i lost the game or something
like someone used admin commands to delete my energy
just found out js has been allowing this with no errors
const template = util.getScaledBoody(templates[util.getRandomInt(templates.length), virtualBudget]);
What
how has it been allowing this
oh there
still weirdge
gonna prepare to go to bedge
real sierra
eepy cloud time
i will keep observing my colony and slowly fixing minor issues as i spot them
once i finally get to a reasonable economic state again, ill test my room capturing code 
rare bridge
when i get back i hope my creeps will have not brutally murdered themselves and will have, instead kept everything maintained
dusk sierra
I just finished a project I'd like to share, but it's not strictly about Neuro (but the scope is to use it while watching streams, especially if I expand it further as I would like), can I post it in projects or not really?
real sierra
I just finished a project I'd like to share, but it's not strictly about Neuro (...
probably not if it isn't specifically geared toward neuro-sama
sorry :s
dusk sierra
Sadge
real sierra
it sounds like a cool project tho
dusk sierra
It's like an app that counts how many messages each chatter sends across the stream making a leaderboard of the most active (or most spammy) chatters
real sierra
rare bridge
banning the top people on the leaderboard
dusk sierra
I'd like to make some further development, to catch the most used messages in a given timeframe and be able to copy/paste them directly in chat
dusk sierra
ELO stream?
real sierra
was it that long ago 
dusk sierra
No, it might be me forgetting and being bad with acronyms
real sierra
there was a stream where neuro would give chatters points if she liked their messages
and take them away if she didnt
real sierra
500 more work on the storage
then broke era ends
and we can return to richness
all my hard work for this
sage crag
awb
opaque sigil
@real sierra
real sierra
on it
opaque sigil
dense cosmos
fast pagoda
sage crag
<@196063748354473984>
they just dont stop 
opaque sigil
yeeeeeeeeah
sage crag
yeeeeeeeeah
(crypto scam here)
real sierra
sage crag
<:neurOMEGALUL:1097297318119743638>
its always the same one too 
real sierra
makes you wonder how ppl fall for it
real sierra
why is naming so hard
naming screeps?
sage crag
why is naming so hard
name it nova and add it to the mountain of programming related things named nova
real sierra
opaque sigil
preferably something short i can use as a prefix for functions
sage crag
opaque sigil
sage crag
just name it huge
real sierra
math
sage crag
bath (short for big math)
opaque sigil
i like this one
sage crag
i like this one <a:mhm:1235974179245916170>
yes its the iga that evokes big scale :mhm:
opaque sigil
whenever i read bath i always think of a friend's thesis, while i was helping with that we always called it her bath
sam would probably love to hear this, said thesis was about rewriting a c++ tool in python
i think it ended up with a 10x speedup or sth on average
sage crag
name it bwa (big word arithmetic)
sage crag
wasn't there an ISA that has specifically "big words"
simd 
opaque sigil
nah
real sierra
ok so
i know this error is obviously my fault
but the max call stack is that small..?
sage crag
i will become a cpu scheduling algorithm
opaque sigil
ah i found it, it was VLIW aka very long instruction word aka ISAs that let you specify instructions to be executed in parallel