programming

[opaque sigil]

would make sense, smart

[real sierra]

oh its my fault somehow

wtf happened

[opaque wharf]

Oh, so you did bring shard3 down?

Ladies and gentlemen. We got him!

[olive sable]

I downloaded the screeps docs page as a pdf

[opaque wharf]

Beware it will not make you better at the game

[real sierra]

the console isnt running but the rest of my code is

so i cant fix a bug in the memory

srsly screeps

[rough bloom]

try restarting your game client?
might be an auth issue

[real sierra]

nah its fine

i just hope they dont randomly run later

i fixed it differently tho

[rare bridge]

my code to get idle creeps off the roads worked

[real sierra]

but how performant is it

[rare bridge]

the tick that ran it used around 4ms of CPU time compared to my usual 1.5ms

[real sierra]

i dont use any pathfinding in my idle code

[rare bridge]

it only runs once though, if it detects a road below it

[real sierra]

here was my stroke of genius

creep.move(1 + util.getRandomInt(8));

fast

[rare bridge]

unironically, checking if there's a road below and if so, choosing a random direction would work

but i needed to write this code anyway for source management

[opaque wharf]

Man, I need some sleep. Brb in 4 hr

[olive sable]

4 hours

Our hired car is not allowed into albania so we're waiting on a taxi rn

[rare bridge]

my pathfinding code is utter garbage

[real sierra]

tried to beat screeps at its pathfinding game

[olive sable]

Screeps uses a modified A*?

Im planning on using my own modified A* but ill need to do some testing

[rare bridge]

currently waiting for my builders to finish building the roads

[real sierra]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jump_point_search

WHY ISNT THIS WORKING

js

this doesnt make any sense

if (opts.callback) {
                    console.log("spawn item has callback, adding to memory");
                    opts.memory._removeCallback = opts.callback;
                }
                opts.memory._removeFromQueue = toSpawn.queueid;
                if (toSpawn.room) {
                    opts.memory.assignedRoom = toSpawn.room;
                } else {
                    opts.memory.assignedRoom = spawn.room.name;
                }
                console.log("spawning "+toSpawn.role+" with opts: "+JSON.stringify(opts));

[09:58:59][shard3]spawn item has callback, adding to memory
[09:58:59][shard3]spawning scout with opts: {"memory":{"role":"scout","_removeFromQueue":33094,"assignedRoom":"E38N39"}}

where did _removeCallback go

i dont understand

at all

js experts

[trim valve]

isn't memory just strings

[real sierra]

functions can cast to strings in js

[trim valve]

or am Imissing something

[real sierra]

it works exactly like you hope it doesnt

[olive sable]

I have come to the conclusion that JPS is actually really efficient and the only way to improve pathfinding is by making better paths to find
https://zerowidth.com/2013/a-visual-explanation-of-jump-point-search/

[real sierra]

screeps pathfinding is pretty good

[olive sable]

The only way to make it better is by using flags or something

Screeps can see flags they pass right?

[sick owl]

Decided to follow Pewdiepies lead and finally started decoupling myself from corporats this week

[rare bridge]

oh there's a bug

[sick owl]

I've got my own home DNS server and DNS filtering now

[real sierra]

you can fetch all flags on the current tile i think

[opaque sigil]

didn't they say everything in memory gets JSON.stringify'd

[real sierra]

creep.pos.lookFor(LOOK_FLAGS);

or something like that

[olive sable]

What about the tile to the right of the path they're on?

[real sierra]

thats fine

functions should stringify

wait they dont stringify?

[olive sable]

Can i put multiple flags on a tile?

[real sierra]

have to explicitly call tostring

ofc

lets see if this works now

[opaque sigil]

is the plan to store it as a string and then use eval?

[olive sable]

Shiro my expert

[real sierra]

to the right?

[olive sable]

Aight going in taxi now bye

[olive sable]

Ye

[rare bridge]

fixed

[real sierra]

do creeps even have a concept of "right"

you would have to track the direction yourself

but otherwise you just offset the position based on the direction and do the same thing

[opaque sigil]

also can i just say that JSON.stringify not caring about you passing it a function and just outputting undefined is crazy

[real sierra]

it worked

it broke

[rare bridge]

these 2 harvesters have different tasks, interesting

[real sierra]

finally got it working

now i can pass arbitrary callbacks to creeps placed in the spawn queue

this gives clients to the spawning api much more control over unit init

[tender river]

mrp meow

[real sierra]

true...

[nocturne olive]

Whar you sillying?

[tender river]

you should use serde and RawMemory instead i think

this is true because the subscript operator calls a function so in the meanwhile the object may change (i'm making it up but it's probably true)

[rare bramble]

currently my setup works fine, I plan on keeping most of the cache and memory rust side, but if I need to do more advanced stuff with the js json I'll switch to serde

[real sierra]

the scout is on its way to check a neighbouring room

go my child

find victims

wait why are you going that way

there's a wall there...

theres no exits bro 🥀

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

💔

you cant get out that way bro

[rare bridge]

poor scout

[rare bramble]

how did you get tags like that to show on creeps?

[real sierra]

why is Game.map.getRoomStatus(roomName) a medium cpu cost

this should be a real simple lookup

[rare bridge]

i wonder if i should build a scout that just goes to any room it can

[real sierra]

modified the target room finder to filter out adjacent rooms of different room status than the parent

this will keep me inside the novice zone, for example

which avoids these weird walls placed on the exits that cause this problem

[rare bridge]

send a scout to my one and see if it makes it

[real sierra]

i legit cant get to u

the only room that connects us, some loser built walls along every exit

id have to pillage them first

[rare bridge]

lemme come take a look

[real sierra]

stuck in my corner

QIS

[rare bridge]

yo shiro

[real sierra]

whats up

[rare bridge]

half of these walls

are hit 1

[real sierra]

im aware

i didnt say they're good at the game

but i still have to write so much code to murderize them

cant wait to see what my room eval gives them

[rare bridge]

just manually write code from console to kill them

[real sierra]

professionals have standards

[rare bridge]

yo wtf is this code their builders aren't bothering to repair the 1 durability walls

[real sierra]

if i have to lift a finger for them to disappear, i haven't earned their removal yet

[real sierra]

they didnt add gradual repairs

pick one and fix it to full hp before moving to the next!

genius!

efficient!

[rare bridge]

amazing!

i wonder what happens if i send a manual scout over to their base

i wonder if any of the rooms between me and you will try to kill you

[real sierra]

not much point killing people if you cant claim more rooms

plus most people in our zone know nothing about this game and it shows

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

except crazyfish

[rare bridge]

only actual threat is crazyfish

crazyfish

[real sierra]

true to their name

[rare bridge]

lemme create a simple scout quickly

[real sierra]

const roomsOfInterest = _.uniq(
                    _.flatten(
                        Object.keys(Game.rooms).map(
                            (roomName) => Object.values(Game.map.describeExits(roomName)).filter(
                                (exitRoom) => util.getRoomStatus(exitRoom).status == util.getRoomStatus(roomName).status
                            )
                        )
                    ).filter(
                        (roomName) => !Game.rooms[roomName] || !Game.rooms[roomName].controller.my
                    )
                );

[rare bridge]

it doesn't know what to do with this scout

the room directly above me does not like anything entering

[opaque sigil]

there are so many copies made here it hurts my soul

[real sierra]

it is what it is

[opaque sigil]

[real sierra]

it runs rarely

so its hopefully fine

[rare bridge]

anyway, i think the only rooms between us 2 with an ability to defend itself currently is you and pandan0id

that is including you and me btw

(i can't defend myself currently)

[real sierra]

the invader room is pretty spooky too

[rare bridge]

agreed

[real sierra]

invader units are

chonky

[rare bridge]

oh damn they are

how did bro spawn in a novice area tho

[real sierra]

must've gotten rolled

or just wanted to respawn somewhere away from bigger players

always a bigger fish

[rare bridge]

indeed

[rare bridge]

anyway.. i should prob solve this

still got 3 options for defence

1. just attack anything that isn't mine

2. attack anything with attack and ranged_attack bodyparts

3. wait for something to damage something of mine or get too close to certain structures, and then figure out the creeps interacting with that creep to grab the entire raid party

[real sierra]

you may want to include HEAL in this group

screeps are not pursuant to the geneva convention

[rare bridge]

suggestion

[real sierra]

conventions are suggestions by definition

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

success

[rare bridge]

should i leak one of my creeps code

[real sierra]

up2u

up2u

i have no desire for others' code

my code is already perfect

[rare bridge]

damn you really wanted emphasis on it being up to me

[real sierra]

why did i type that twice

?

[rare bridge]

idk

well anyway

[real sierra]

why are we scouting this room again

we were here like 10 ticks ago

[rare bridge]

import { chooseSource } from "../utils/utilFunctions";

export function shouldRun(creep: Creep): boolean {
  if (Game.rooms[creep.memory.room].controller == undefined) return false;
  return Game.rooms[creep.memory.room].controller!.ticksToDowngrade < 2000;
}

export function shouldOverride(creep: Creep): boolean {
  if (Game.rooms[creep.memory.room].controller == undefined) return false;
  return Game.rooms[creep.memory.room].controller!.ticksToDowngrade < 100;
}

// Harvest and then upgrade the controller
export function run(creep: Creep, end: Function) {
  const controller = Game.rooms[creep.memory.room].controller
  if (controller == undefined) return;

  // Check if we have capacity left and are near a controller.
  if (creep.store.getUsedCapacity() != 0 && creep.upgradeController(controller!) == ERR_NOT_IN_RANGE) {
    const sources = creep.room.find(FIND_SOURCES);
    const source = chooseSource(creep, sources);
    if (source == null) return;

    if (creep.harvest(source) == ERR_NOT_IN_RANGE || creep.store.getFreeCapacity() == 0)
      creep.moveTo(controller!, { visualizePathStyle: { stroke: "#00ffff" } });
  } else {
    if (creep.store.getUsedCapacity() == 0) {
      const sources = creep.room.find(FIND_SOURCES);
      const source = chooseSource(creep, sources);
      if (source == null) return;

      if (creep.harvest(source))
        creep.moveTo(source, { visualizePathStyle: { stroke: "#ffaa00" } })
    }
  }

  if (controller!.ticksToDowngrade > 5000)
    end();
}

export const name = "harvestAndMaintainController";

this task handles maintaining the controller level, it's kinda sketchy and hacky tbh

[real sierra]

ew typescript

if this is "sketchy and hacky" my code is duct tape and chicken wire

[rare bridge]

i mean i'm literally making sure the creep doesn't leave too early by trying to harvest to see if i'm meant to be harvesting

it's sketch af

[real sierra]

hows that sketchy

thats a very normal paradigm in screeps

[dusk sierra]

Anyone got experience with pyinstaller? I am banging my head around an ModuleNotFound error

[rare bridge]

i feel like there should be a way to check if i'm in range

[real sierra]

if you weren't meant to do things this way, spawnCreep wouldn't have a dryRun option

[rare bridge]

true

i am happy with the shouldRun and shouldOverride tho

shouldRun runs only when the creep's task is undefined (aka idle), while shouldOverride runs every tick

since shouldOverride allows me to define a situation where a task needs to be switched to asap, such as low controller untilDecay and low structure hitpoints

[real sierra]

scout_33113 when it is sent to investigate E38N38 for the 10th time today

[rare bridge]

i wonder @real sierra how do you handle tasks given to creeps, do you use a similar system to me?

[real sierra]

creeps assign themselves tasks

it isnt done centrally

found the scouting issue

[tender river]

first law of lattices never talk about lattices

[rare bridge]

i see

technically the creep def files are the one's actually assigning the task

i'll drop one in here in a moment

[real sierra]

niche screeps feature #45368748793678

you can toggle ramparts to be traversible by hostile creeps

[rare bridge]

i can trap them

[real sierra]

i would use it to abuse their ai

[rare bridge]

infinite maze coming right up

[real sierra]

assuming their units are coded to take a path to the controller instead of breaking walls if they can avoid it

you just install two ramparts and leave one open

when they get close to it, lock it and open the other

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

mad?

[rare bridge]

what about an infinite maze that rearranges itself

[real sierra]

maze runner

[rare bridge]

ofc for your own creeps it can arrange to a corridor

[real sierra]

do keep in mind that ramparts have a high maintenance cost

[rare bridge]

doesn't matter if you control the entire area

[real sierra]

[rare bridge]

just have your outer rooms dedicated to maze

[real sierra]

scout is going somewhere new

[rare bridge]

scout is finally free

i need to upgrade my room controller for towers

guess i'll tell it to upgrade

[tender river]

hehehe i now know how to solve the function color problem now you just need to interpret functions in the correct category, category theory is truly magical

[rare bridge]

this upgrade is gonna take so long

lemme tell the builders to help

damn these builders lazy af

[olive sable]

Shiro can i put multiple flags on a road tile?

[real sierra]

unknown

maybe

i understandably never tried

[rough bloom]

you can stack flags, yeah
I'd assume that also works on roads

[olive sable]

This will majorly improve my road system if possible

[real sierra]

it doesnt seem to be an issue given the possible errors of createFlag but you would have to test to be sure

[rough bloom]

source: accidentally stacked 250 flags

[olive sable]

Can they check the name of the flag?

And the colour?

[real sierra]

they

[rough bloom]

yeah, you still get every flag as a separate object

but iterating through them seems expensive if you stack many on the same tile

[olive sable]

Im gonna just make each destination have a flag colour, and put the flags as direction changes

This is the greatest plan

Nothing can go wrong

[real sierra]

wait till sam finds out about the cpu cost of placing a flag

[olive sable]

What?

[rare bridge]

i might have to assign a "minimum creeps running task" value for tasks

[olive sable]

The flags will only have an initial cost, it should save recources in the end

[rare bridge]

cos i've got my builders trying to upgrade the controller and my harvesters are focused on keeping energy at spawn at 200 at least

[real sierra]

i can cross a room with screeps pathfinding using 1cpu max

thats your cpu to beat

[olive sable]

How much cpu does reading a flag take?

[real sierra]

negligible

lookup is cheap

[olive sable]

Nice

Big

[rare bridge]

(i set it as an override condition, if spawn has less than 200 energy then it means it can't spawn even the most basic of harvesters, so it's set up to try keep it above 200)

but my creeps keep dying

[olive sable]

I will put the direction and how long in that direction to go in the flag name

The colour of the flag will be the destination type

I will beat 1cpu, maybe, hopefully

[rare bridge]

here's me not even bothering to try to beat 1cpu currently

i just want level 3 controller

[olive sable]

If you only have 20cpu 1 is still a decent amount i think

[rare bridge]

yeah, 1/20 of your available compute

[olive sable]

I will beat it

[rare bridge]

okay finally my creeps can focus on.. why is it not focusing on upgrading the controller

nvm my code sucked

it's gonna take forever to upgrade this room controller

i feel like this shouldn't be my priority currently

[rare bridge]

currently trying to figure out how extenders are used

[real sierra]

extensions were the source of many logic bugs in my code

[rare bridge]

how do they even behave

do they like

get used only if the spawn is out?

if so that's annoying, i don't wanna have to write a util function just to get the true available energy for a spawn

[real sierra]

Room.energyAvailable

and potentially read the details of StructureSpawn.spawnCreep

[rare bridge]

i have to manually define them

okay sure

i'll build a util to return the correct amount based on cost

[rare bramble]

wondered why my CPU usage was high, turns out, my move calls were taking like 80% of my CPU usage

welp, at least I know what to optimize

[sage crag]

now write async runtime for hblang

[rare bramble]

apparently all calls into Js from wasm are still pretty expensive, so the goal would be to keep as much in wasm as possible

[real sierra]

wait juho

are you on the official server

?

donowalled im not cool enough for juho

[opaque sigil]

speaking of async runtime, konii did you see they (surely ) landed on a final version of async/await for zig

[fast pagoda]

https://github.com/mildbyte/uv-wordle-solver/

Dude built a wordle solver that uses python packages and the uv dependency resolver

[tender river]

if i do it will still have the function color problem solving it requires functions to be generic objects over a category that has a built-in interpretation but can be abstracted over which is only possible if you either use a language with partial evaluation (preferably deep unlike haskell) or write an entire interpreter or compiler for a language (meow)

[opaque sigil]

huh is wordle np complete

[fast pagoda]

It's np hard I think

It's not 100% success

For this thing

[tender river]

i dont like zig async/await because it hides an abstraction but its a pragmatic solution

[opaque sigil]

the new one?

[tender river]

huh is there a new one

[fast pagoda]

I'm not up to date on my wordle lore so idk what that is

[opaque sigil]

https://gist.github.com/andrewrk/1ad9d705ce6046fca76b4cb1220b3c53

[fast pagoda]

Oh lol

[opaque sigil]

basically io as an interface is the idea i think

[rare bramble]

was too focused on playing
ye i'm on the official server, shard3 W33S25

[real sierra]

you should've come settled with me and cloud

[rare bramble]

dont look at my room though, currently its basically nonfunctional

[real sierra]

we're over by E38N38

[rare bramble]

I didnt know where you were when I made this

though I might respawn, I dont have much novice area time left and i'm right next to a scary player

[opaque sigil]

from here https://youtu.be/x3hOiOcbgeA?t=3650 if you're curious

[real sierra]

we have 12 days of novice time

[tender river]

i dont like the colorblind part

[opaque sigil]

huh how come

[fast pagoda]

Hates colorblind people

[opaque sigil]

[tender river]

as i said, it hides too much behind an abstraction imo

it went one step further than rust in that, it may arguably be more ergonomic but imo its a step in the wrong direction

i like algebraic effects and free monads more

and also have some ideas i want to try in that regard

maybe you've heard of the "object algebras" approach to the expression problem

free monads are basically that but for functions

[opaque sigil]

[tender river]

also today i came up with a way to have diamond problem-free classes with inheritance and traits with specialization in a single system which i find really cool

[rare bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/neurosama-palps-gif-5455895315842431910

[opaque sigil]

@real sierra @rare bridge pls nuke

[olive sable]

Noted

[rare bridge]

hi

dealing with

[real sierra]

on it

[rare bridge]

thanks

[opaque sigil]

thanks

[opaque sigil]

sounds nice

[olive sable]

I might join the official server soon-ish, just gotta finish the turial first

[tender river]

i kinda want to look into first class environments too because it sounds useful for encoding functions as free monads

too much stuff to figure out...

but i did make so much progress today so i'm happy

[olive sable]

Or if cloud decides to open the server sometime ill just immediatly go there

Aight, imma hop the border back to montenegro now

[rigid snow]

illegal immigration

[real sierra]

RCL4 attained

my empire cements itself ever more

[tacit plover]

Let's say, hypothetically, that I'm looking into learning Godot

How important would it be for me to learn what GitHub is

[real sierra]

vcs is overrated

just write good code

[rare bramble]

i think you should learn basics of git no matter what dev stuff you are doing

some people even use git for completely non dev stuff like configs and such

[tacit plover]

Ok, I'll read what's GitHub

[real sierra]

git as free storage

[opaque sigil]

git != github, git is the important thing
github is just a place to remotely save your git repository

[rare bramble]

I mean git is the version control system, github is just a place to host git stuff online, it's not necessarily necessary for git. there is also sites like gitlab

ye, what Toast said

[real sierra]

@rare bridge

the second lag spike earlier was the dev testing in prod

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

if even the screeps devs test in prod, surely i can too

[rare bramble]

[olive sable]

Succes

[real sierra]

screeps now?

[rare bridge]

i improved my spawning code to take cost into mind

it'll now refuse to make big units unless it has the energy needed

but it won't get stuck and will still make smaller units

[olive sable]

When im at the apartment

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

Border control had a dog

[real sierra]

also i didnt realize but

there's factions in this game unofficially

[rare bridge]

neurocord faction

done

enjoy

[real sierra]

its terrifying

[olive sable]

Yay

[real sierra]

apparently they have an API for it

[olive sable]

Wut?

[real sierra]

the code is hosted in a burner account's public memory segment

[rare bridge]

[olive sable]

What does a faction do?

[real sierra]

no clue

https://www.leagueofautomatednations.com/alliances/rankings

[olive sable]

Ig its just a non agresion agreement?

[dry charm]

imagine the clan wars

[olive sable]

I will produce tanks

[real sierra]

only one person in the bottom right of our block is in a faction

[olive sable]

A group of 12 screeps moving as 1 unit made for pure destruction

This is a great plan, i can see nothing that could go wrong

[real sierra]

i had actually considered something similar

but ultimately i dont think its worth

[olive sable]

Does adding more cary body parts make you able to carry multiple screeps?

[real sierra]

no

[olive sable]

Ahhh

Shame

[real sierra]

look into creep.pull

there are some interesting things there

[olive sable]

Aight

[real sierra]

a notion that has grown on me is to ensure my creeps are making use of all their parts as often as possible

[olive sable]

That is a method, but i dont think im going that way

[real sierra]

less intended to be a method and more a metric

for spotting where you might need to specialize creeps

[tacit plover]

How to Git

[olive sable]

Make an account

Make a repo

[dry charm]

Thats github

[olive sable]

Use your repo

[olive sable]

Oh ye my bad

[real sierra]

surely a website can explain this better than we can

[olive sable]

What the diffrence between git and gh?

[dry charm]

a pack of apple and a grocery store

you can pack your apples in a box, with history of what was put in and out

[olive sable]

Git is just local history?

[dry charm]

and you "put" those boxes on the store

git itself is the core of everything, rather would say, github is just a remote

[olive sable]

Ok

[dry charm]

You can use everything that is on github locally as well. Github is a "remote" where you can push your changes

But as Shiro said, lemme find a GOOD source for this

cause of course, in 2025 the first search page is useless

[opaque sigil]

https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2

[real sierra]

a beginner's guide might be more applicable

than a full details manual

[dry charm]

https://www.theserverside.com/video/Git-vs-GitHub-What-is-the-difference-between-them

[real sierra]

and a source maybe more geared to the original question of "how to git"

as opposed to the tangent

might be handy

[opaque sigil]

[real sierra]

ty for your patience rytsty

[rough bloom]

they have a condensed page with examples too
https://git-scm.com/docs/gittutorial

[opaque sigil]

they do huh

i wish we could have pull requests and issues as part of the git repo

radicle kind of makes it possible but also who tf uses radicle

[tender river]

pull requests are just other people's branches you can pull locally if you want

issues yeah you dont use git for that

you can put them in an extra branch just for issues in md format if you want

[opaque sigil]

would still be nice to have them as first class citizens in git imo, not that it'll happen realistically

[patent walrus]

nerrrrrds

@real sierra especially

[gritty dust]

[real sierra]

HOP ON SCREEPS

[noble zodiac]

eh issues are just not in the scope of git and you can just send ppl your patches. heck the git cli command does that for you

[tender river]

its good not to have everything in a single spec because it doesnt force you to e.g. a specific issue format

[dry charm]

Technically git has pull requests https://git-scm.com/docs/git-request-pull

[tacit plover]

Does Git weight a lot

[bold hinge]

Is neuro run localy or on server. I just confused with vedal talking about the financial aspect of running her.

[opaque sigil]

about 2kg give or take (/s)

but no, git is pretty lightweight

well it depends on how you use it i guess, if you commit a bunch of big files that will add up

[rough bloom]

yeah, Git itself is pretty small, but repos can get big sometimes
-# mostly if you use them incorrectly

[rare bridge]

someone remind me to fix my screeps pathfinding (they do not like the road)

[stark needle]

no one knows

[warped narwhal]

git clone --depth=1 my beloved

[rigid snow]

neuro is definitely being ran mhm

[wide bluff]

If I want to learn to make a AI friend for myself where would I start? What should be my first step in learning what direction i need to walk, digitally speaking. LLm? Code? Python? Any channel suggestions for a less dry approach would be appreciated too if possible. I am more artistically inclined and have ADHD so dry facts tend to turn my brain away so to speak.

[tender river]

both

[bold hinge]

my poor 12400f is really dying from 24b models 😦

[tender river]

vedal has to do finetuning which is impractical to do locally

[bold hinge]

i mean idk doesnt he have like 2 or 3 4090s. If neuro isnt like 70b plus then it should be possible im guessing.

[tender river]

as for where neuro's models run, nobody knows yeah

[tender river]

possible doesnt mean preferred

[rough bloom]

thank you ClojureScript very cool hash

[tender river]

are you hashing integers?

[rough bloom]

I am hashing maps

idk if this is even supposed to work yet, but I don't think it's supposed to be sequential like that

[tender river]

@trim valve

[rigid snow]

nobody refers to anything but inference when saying to "run" a model

[tender river]

they mentioned "the financial aspect" which does include finetuning

[rigid snow]

sure

[olive sable]

1v1 me on screeps

Aight im back at the appartement

Still need to eat sometime, but firstmy screeps

[real sierra]

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[hoary lion]

full code day

[real sierra]

🚜

[olive sable]

How bro's mic bg sounds in vc

[opaque wharf]

I'm not back reading anything today

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

For real, usually I can keep up. This screeps fever is crazy

[real sierra]

my brain is on fire

how do i

what is the ideal attack force composition

i know roughly how much lifetime damage i need to win

but how do i compose that into units

[olive sable]

Maybe we need a dif channel/thread?

[real sierra]

i dont think it'll get a channel/thread

no other games do

[olive sable]

Fair

this one is backed by half the mods yho

[tender river]

Gödel's incompleteness theorem when Gödel's completeness theorem walks in

[real sierra]

nepotism

[real sierra]

[opaque wharf]

Nah, is good here

[opaque wharf]

Yep, this is why we can't have nice things in math or physics

[olive sable]

Aight booting up my laptop 🌪️ 🔊 🌬️ 😭

Wait need to eat brb

[real sierra]

OVER

DRAINING THE STORES

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

i ranked up and the infrastructure system queuesd every building i could make

i guess i needed energy storage badly

[rare bridge]

i'm currently just making a bunch of extensions

[real sierra]

same

tons of extensions and a storage

[rare bridge]

so i can make better creeps

[real sierra]

plus associated roads

[rare bridge]

i have no storage rn tho

[real sierra]

cant make a storage until rcl4

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

protip that wasted 5h of my life

containers are neutral structures

even if you built them

which means FIND_MY_STRUCTURES doesn't include them

[rare bridge]

i just FIND_STRUCTURES regardless

there's no chance my harvesters and builders would ever be in a situation where they're dealing with buildings which aren't mine anyway

[real sierra]

when i build a turret in cloud's room and they repair it for me

[rare bridge]

[rigid snow]

what if the neurocord server happens

[rare bridge]

repair uses find my structures actually

so thanks for the heads up

but you're able to build structures in other people's rooms??

[real sierra]

not really

i was mostly joking

you can build up to RCL0 structures if you dont have ownership

which means roads and 5 containers

[rare bridge]

if that's happened my entire thing is cooked anyway

[real sierra]

spawn time is no longer trivial

45 ticks to spawn a builder

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

unit size limits may be a feature in the near future

good problem to have

[rare bridge]

all my units CEASED

[real sierra]

[rare bridge]

it is trying to spawn

but i assume my code is saying no for some reason

[real sierra]

wait

can i do some crazy math to optimize my units here

[rare bridge]

found the bug

the spawner will not spawn if the energyStructure does not contain itself

[olive sable]

aight time for screeps finaly

4th tutorial level

[real sierra]

according to my metric, the best units are 50% move, 25% heal, 25% attack

metric does not like ranged attack

i guess the trick is that heal cant be used if you attack

i should remove heal parts from my dps calc then

[olive sable]

cloud server when?

friday?

[amber fractal]

I believe it is just action order? At least looking at docs a lot of actions can be done in a single tick

[opaque wharf]

Sooo...
https://docs.screeps.com/contributed/ps_ubuntu.html

[real sierra]

yes, action order is why you cant heal if you attack

you could ranged attack and melee heal

[dry charm]

https://github.com/Lela810/Screeps-Egg me when

wonder if it works with latest

[rigid snow]

The main world runs on Node8, but Ubuntu only provides an older version of Node6.
wow this is old

[opaque wharf]

Working the mods to the bone

[opaque wharf]

Ikr?

[amber fractal]

Considering the server repo has only done lock file changes for a few years I'm leaning on yes

[rigid snow]

back when js was abysmal dogshit

[olive sable]

still is

[rare bridge]

@real sierra the code i wrote to avoid overcrowding at energy sources works... too well
when a creep gets to the one energy source it realises it's crowded and LEAVES

[olive sable]

lmao

[real sierra]

[rare bridge]

come take a look at my area to see what i mean

[real sierra]

preoccupied atm

gotta finish this functiuon before i forget what it does

[rare bridge]

[opaque wharf]

Quick everyone, distract Shiro

And never let him save his code again

[rigid snow]

it's become infinitely better for sure, and the ecosystem has become better too. for example: good luck finding a sorta obscure package with types back then - now if you're using jsdoc types (as comments) instead of typescript you get weird looks, and if you don't have types at all literally nobody will use it

[olive sable]

nice

[opaque wharf]

Unless you're implementing an RFC that is

Noble crypto save my ass a ton of pain

[rare bridge]

my creeps will now refuse to go to an energy source if it's occupied

lemme make it so it remembers not to go there

[rare bramble]

overabstraction goes BRRRRRR

[olive sable]

the tutorial iteraly says "make one of the harvesters sudoku"

[opaque wharf]

Have you also considered making a dedicated unit just to harvest an energy source and carrying said unit with a transporter unit like what shiro does?

[rigid snow]

implementing a sudoku solver

[opaque wharf]

You move from JS to typed language, yeah that's what you get

[amber fractal]

We love Movex5 and Movex1 Workx2

[rare bridge]

hey uhh.. where are my builders

[amber fractal]

Reduced to scrap

[olive sable]

atomizer go brrr

[tacit plover]

Is version control even a necessity

[real sierra]

my economy crashed

[amber fractal]

It is a good idea to, once you start working with people even better.

[rough bloom]

yes
being able to go back to a working version in case you mess something up is good

[real sierra]

wtf happened

[amber fractal]

o7 killed due to time limit

[olive sable]

im tryingto understand this language to cod emy own shit

but wtf am i looking at here?

var harvesters = _.filter(Game.creeps, (creep) => creep.memory.role == 'harvester');

[real sierra]

that function is not that expensive

how did it time out

[amber fractal]

javascrjpt mhm

[olive sable]

what is that underscore???

[real sierra]

(creep) => creep.memory.role == 'harvester' is a lambda function, equivalent to:

function lambda(creep) {
  return creep.memory.role == 'harvester'
}

the _ is a library

https://lodash.com/docs/4.17.15#filter

[olive sable]

why we using underscores as classes here?

[opaque sigil]

it's not a class it's a namespace

[olive sable]

ye

[real sierra]

theres probably a

const _ = require("lodash");

at the top of the script somewhere

[opaque sigil]

it's just convention to name it _ for lodash

[olive sable]

i see them as the same thing cuz python

[rare bramble]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1210767163242057798.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=huhExplode

[opaque wharf]

Sam finally cave and learn JS for game related things

[opaque sigil]

time to unpythonify your brain then smh

[real sierra]

stop overcomplicating it in your head

_ is a variable

[rare bramble]

oh it's just a name you gave to the library

[real sierra]

and theres an object in it

[opaque sigil]

it's the same as import lodash as _ if you had a lodash.py

[real sierra]

the keys are function names the values are functions

[opaque wharf]

In js, everything is an object

[opaque sigil]

false

[real sierra]

RTFM

[opaque sigil]

but yeah the module is an object

[amber fractal]

It is the same in python, _ isn't special

[olive sable]

brother i do not know what a lambd even does

[real sierra]

i just told you

[opaque wharf]

Even the primitives are wrapped in an object under the hood

[opaque wharf]

Lambda is a function

[real sierra]

or maybe i didnt

its just an inline function

same as calling a function there

but skipping the lengthy definition

[opaque wharf]

No

[real sierra]

definining

holy here comes the 🤓 ☝️

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[real sierra]

im going back to coding

[opaque sigil]

think of it as

var harvested = []
for (var creep of Game.creeps) {
    if (creep.memory.role === 'harvester') {
        harvested.append(creep)
    }
}

[olive sable]

i never used that in python

[opaque wharf]

Because it is very different

[opaque sigil]

semantically equivalent

you just pass a function to run on every element in the array

which in the case of filter has to return a boolean that decides whether to keep it or not

[olive sable]

where list coprehension?

[real sierra]

no list comprehensions

[opaque wharf]

[].map

[real sierra]

functional programming all the way

[opaque wharf]

[rare bridge]

my code is refusing to add builders to the queue

[real sierra]

i have no idea why my script timed out

shouldnt be possible

makes zero sense

must have been a cosmic ray

[opaque sigil]

does screeps target es3 or why do y'all use var everywhere

[olive sable]

so what is the arrow/ "greater or equal than" doing?

[rare bridge]

where the FUCK are my builders

[opaque wharf]

I think not all ES6 features are available

[opaque sigil]

you talking about (creep) => creep?

[opaque wharf]

But yeah, it supports most of ES6

[opaque sigil]

that's just one way of defining a function

[real sierra]

i dont think i've usedvar once in my code

[olive sable]

huh

[hoary lion]

are we still creeping

[real sierra]

[rough bloom]

ES5

[olive sable]

you dont need to?

[real sierra]

theres not actually a problem with it mostly

[opaque sigil]

function foo(x) {
    return x + 1;
}
const foo = (x) => x + 1;

these are the same

[opaque wharf]

function abc() {}
const abc = () => {}

[real sierra]

javascript addicts will just insist on using other things

[opaque sigil]

no var is just bad

[real sierra]

see what i mean

[opaque sigil]

it's objectively just bad and has no use case anymore

[opaque wharf]

Because var hoist things up

[olive sable]

im failing to understand where the comma is supposed to be here

[opaque sigil]

after the no

[opaque wharf]

And it can make your code don't do what you think it should do

[real sierra]

stop using the same variable name then

[olive sable]

so dont use var?

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[real sierra]

const and let are preferred

[opaque wharf]

Use let or const

[rare bridge]

so uhh... judging from my code: this SHOULD work

[real sierra]

const for constants as you normally would

let for everything else

[olive sable]

let

huh

[real sierra]

and then the variables will be scoped as you'd expect

[rare bridge]

oh

[real sierra]

var scopes things more than desired

[rare bridge]

i am an idiot

[opaque sigil]

let for anything you directly reassign, const for everything else

[opaque wharf]

const also not the same const as you think it is

[real sierra]

just leave the explanation simple

[opaque sigil]

[real sierra]

ok im out

too many chefs spoil the pot

[opaque wharf]

No, I wanna make everyone suffer

[olive sable]

im just gonna wing it

[opaque wharf]

If you want to read about JS, the mozilla MDN is the place to go

[rare bridge]

finally

i have a builder again

[opaque sigil]

mdn my beloved

[real sierra]

TLDR

• let for defining variables you intend to direcly modify
• const for variables you will not reassign
• (arg1, arg2, ...) => body is a shorthand for creating an inline function

[olive sable]

okay

why not define the function at the start of the program? does lambda not use much cpu?

[real sierra]

it's often for functions used in a single place

or functions that need to reference variables defined in the scope of the caller

[opaque sigil]

do you want a top level function for every single lil function you use once?

[olive sable]

i mean ye, but its in the main loop

[opaque wharf]

C does that to you

[opaque sigil]

overhead wise there's no difference

they all become "top level functions" later on

[real sierra]

e.g. with a lambda you could do something like

const multiplier = 3;
const nums = [1,2,3];
const multiplied = nums.map((number) => number * multiplier);

where the lambda function references multiplier from the current scope

can't do that if you pre-define it

[rare bridge]

tl;dr: fuck js

[olive sable]

okay

[opaque wharf]

Good, now explain currying

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

i have never used map functio before ever in any lnguage lmao

[opaque wharf]

Think of it like math

[olive sable]

i am

[real sierra]

array.map(fn) returns [fn(array[0]), fn(array[1]), ...]

[opaque sigil]

you see that's the funny thing, you can

i should be going over my lecture slides ugh

[opaque wharf]

I am considering joining lots of different servers just for the emoji

[opaque sigil]

it's never to late too start getting addicted

[real sierra]

just wait till you have to sum an array

you're gonna love that

[rough bloom]

screep unemployment soon™

[olive sable]

i ussualy just do a for loop lmao

[opaque sigil]

wtf am i looking at

[real sierra]

i dont even want to know what kind of cursed runes you're engraving over there

[rough bloom]

ClojureScript

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-woah-wait-what-shocked-what-did-you-say-gif-16673454

[opaque sigil]

oh

right

i wonder, what other languages transpile to js

[opaque wharf]

TS

[real sierra]

to js?

not wasm?

[opaque sigil]

maybe i should join screeps too and do scala.js

[real sierra]

[opaque wharf]

Golang and TS also look similar enough that MS is migrating TSC to Golang

[real sierra]

MORE SCREEPERS

I LOVE YOU

[rigid snow]

dart

[opaque wharf]

So by extension, maybe golang

[opaque sigil]

don't get your hopes up shiro

[real sierra]

uncomputable when are you opening screeps

[opaque wharf]

I forgot this language exists outside of flutter lmao

[rigid snow]

it doesn't

[olive sable]

shiro loves us 🥹

[opaque wharf]

When I'm done with my IRL stuff

[real sierra]

screeps wave

[opaque wharf]

So probably around the same time as Sam

[olive sable]

friday

yay

[opaque sigil]

TIL nim has a js target

[stark needle]

chat check this out

[hoary lion]

man JS being accepted at #programming is weird

[opaque sigil]

not accepted

tolerated at best

[olive sable]

i might join the online server today if i finish the tutorial

[real sierra]

tolerated

[olive sable]

it is, acceptable

[opaque wharf]

Tolerated? You don't see them loathing it at all?

[stark needle]

blender cycles renderer vs the disney RenderMan renderer

[opaque sigil]

idk maybe i'm too used to typescript

is one of my comfort languages

[real sierra]

types overrated

[olive sable]

the right one looks cool

[real sierra]

i store my typedefs in my brain

[hoary lion]

*underrated

[opaque sigil]

[hoary lion]

always type your code

even when it is dynamic

[olive sable]

my brain is enormous, surely i wont forget the purpose of certain functions

[real sierra]

underrated for projects with other people

[stark needle]

yea the right one is the pixar renderer with the disney shader

[real sierra]

overrated for solo projects

[opaque sigil]

actually i do wonder how hard it'd be do screeps in zig

i guess bindings would be the most annoying part probably

damn got baited, thought someone wrote bindings already

[olive sable]

the tutorial is saying "lets wait for the builder to finish" and that litle fucker aint doing shit

[opaque wharf]

Shard3?

[rigid snow]

it has anonymous structs

[real sierra]

shard3 is healthy rn

[hoary lion]

ok yk I think type is always broken in ML

[real sierra]

moving quite fast in fact

[olive sable]

tutorial, idk

[opaque sigil]

do you actually need anything fancy for screeps or is it just writing into memory

[rough bloom]

yeah, for all the languages with strong typing writing the bindings is really annoying
Screeps code depends on a lot of constants too, and those don't technically have to be the same between servers (though in practice they should be)

[real sierra]

not sure what this means

[hoary lion]

this does not throw error

[opaque sigil]

like idk, reading files and stuff

anything with side effects basically

[real sierra]

doesnt read files

there's console.log

but i mean its all exposed via api i think

no file manipulation, no web requests

no gpu access

[olive sable]

the builder script didnt spawn in when starting tutorial 5, thats why it was doing jack sit

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

No web request? Have you forgotten what our beloved cloud tried to do here?

[rare bramble]

not really? Like you have world state with creep memory and stuff and your own code that sends commands based on that. you could have your code be stateless and only work with the world state

[real sierra]

have you forgotten how it ended?

[opaque wharf]

It's not off the table yet

[olive sable]

why cant the builder get energy from the spawn?

[real sierra]

it can if coded to

[olive sable]

ah

ok

[rare bramble]

I mean you can use 500ms of bucket per tick

so you could query an api

[real sierra]

fill the bucket and then burn all 500ms on querying chatgpt

[olive sable]

hihihi

[rare bramble]

also you dont have to get the response for the request the same tick

just send a request and check if it's done every tick after

[real sierra]

that implies you can store some kind of handle to the request somewhere

good luck serializing that into memory

[olive sable]

how does one manually assign a route to a screeps moveto?

[opaque wharf]

Store request ID

[real sierra]

actually i guess global is available

[opaque wharf]

And build a proxy

[real sierra]

as in, give it a path?

to follow?

[olive sable]

kinda ye

[rare bramble]

I mean you can deserialize it and store that in the json

[olive sable]

i want to say, go up, go up, go left

and shit

[real sierra]

oh

there's Creep.move: https://docs.screeps.com/api/#Creep.move

[olive sable]

okay thanks

[real sierra]

but you also might like Creep.moveByPath: https://docs.screeps.com/api/#Creep.moveByPath

[rough bloom]

if all else fails you can do it with external help over the console
log a specific string to start the request, set a variable to the response when it's finished

[olive sable]

oooho

[real sierra]

you can probably match the game's path format

and then hand it to this function

[opaque wharf]

Shiro, make a local server that cache the path

Then you can use more than 2MB

[olive sable]

cloud when server? lmao

i finished the tutorial

[rare bramble]

also in WASM you can store arbitrary data in a thread local:

at least in rust

[real sierra]

i still dont think you can get web requests to work

there's more backend state that i feel needs to be kept

that is abstracted away

and probably cleaned up by the sandbox

[olive sable]

if the server isnt up today ill join yall in the official server

[real sierra]

@rare bridge ETA on server?

[olive sable]

yay

[opaque wharf]

I can probably make something cursed

Will try something when I'm at it

[rigid snow]

erm

my internet is fine tho?

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

[rare bridge]

i'll try get it working this week

[olive sable]

i wonder why screeps is using more cpu than gpu

[real sierra]

JavaScript

[olive sable]

doesnt it run on web or something?

[real sierra]

im sure theres still plenty of client side stuff, even if your sandbox runs server-side

the screeps client is a big browser wrapper from what i can tell

so all the netcode here is also js i imagine

[warped narwhal]

Does anyone here happen to have a good oled screen? I have an hdr image but I can't actually check if it looks ok cause my monitor is sdr

[olive sable]

found'ya

[real sierra]

look to my south a few rooms

[olive sable]

wdym?

[real sierra]

e37n34

[olive sable]

ah there

i ws going traight down

so uh, where do i go?

[real sierra]

in the novice zone ideally

almost everyone in here is restricted to 1 room only

[olive sable]

but like, do i go next to someone or?

[real sierra]

you're free to choose wherever you'd like

id pick a room with two sources

exactly what you're looking for is kinda up to you tho

wtf

has spawning gone too far

[olive sable]

im sure it doesnt matter, but why is screeps using the igpu?

[rigid snow]

turned on my vpn and it works now. turns out my internet is not fine

but not in the way i thought

[olive sable]

fuck i dont remember the api commands

lemme get the docs on another pae

[amber fractal]

Noppers, I don't trust the portable boi's HDR

[real sierra]

ive made a mistake

i crashed screeps

[olive sable]

oh

no

what did you do?

[real sierra]

console.log in an infinite loop

[amber fractal]

Yippie I'm not the only one (To be fair I had no part in my own crash, it crashed itself)

[real sierra]

while (cost > budget || totalParts > 50) {
            const newProps = {};
            keys.forEach((key) => newProps[key] = nParts[key] / totalParts);
            const toRemove = keys.reduce(function (best, key) {
                const diff = newProps[key] - (proportions[key] || 0);
                if (diff > best[1]) {
                    return [key, diff];
                }
                return best;
            }, [0, 0])[0];
            nParts[toRemove] -= 1;
            cost = Object.keys(constants.PART_COSTS).map((partType) => constants.PART_COSTS[partType] * nParts[partType]).reduce((sum, cost) => sum + cost, 0);
            totalParts = keys.reduce((count, key) => count + nParts[key], 0);
        }

something is very broken here

i think im gonna annihilate all the yucky functional programming

[tender river]

any, if you put your mind to it

[real sierra]

and go back to tried and true for loops

[olive sable]

nway im doing shit

this is horrible code lmao

[real sierra]

hopefully this fixes it

[real sierra]

ok

im at that final

make-it-work stage of this new feature

ive written all the pieces

i just need to connect them

and boy do they not fit together well

[opaque wharf]

Cue to the next shiro forgot to save

[unkempt citrus]

Use duct tape

[real sierra]

i am running out of duct tape

[olive sable]

ye i forgot how to do half this shit

lemme steal code from the tutorial

[sonic scroll]

You need FLEX TAPE.

[opaque wharf]

Anybody knows a good OCR for tabular data?

The table is a picture of printed document, not hand written or screenshot

[tacit plover]

What default editor should I use for git?

Notepad++?

[olive sable]

im not sure where the free energy is coming from but its spawning shit

[tacit plover]

Why the react

[opaque wharf]

What are you doing with git bro?

[tacit plover]

Someone suggested me to use it

[opaque wharf]

Do you mean a code editor with good git integration?

[tacit plover]

Trying to code stuff in godot if that helps

[opaque wharf]

Oh

Isn't godot have built-in git integration?

[tacit plover]

I'm still doing the git setup thing