programming

[real sierra]

there's also very nice novice rooms which give you some nice protections early on

[rare bridge]

WHY CAN I SEND 20 EMAIL NOTIFICATIONS IN A SINGLE GAME TICK

[scarlet arch]

how

[rare bridge]

Game.notify

[rare bridge]

the game has a feature that lets you kinda

email yourself

mainly for alerts like "you're under attack" and whatever you want

[scarlet arch]

and.. is your server configured to then send those mails?

[rare bridge]

mine isn't, but the main game could do it

[scarlet arch]

cause that sounds abusable :D

[rare bridge]

look at them all queuing

[real sierra]

i wasnt about to punch my email into cloud's screeps server anyway

soz

[scarlet arch]

that seems inefficient

[rare bridge]

omw to email shiro "happy birthday"

[real sierra]

[rare bridge]

i have emails set to go to my public email address

[e-mail]

[opaque wharf]

Cloud, you can try to make a proxy server with SSE

[rare bridge]

not a problem if i share that one here

[real sierra]

btw if you want an incentive to hop on the main server

[rare bridge]

pixel

[opaque wharf]

So screeps -> proxy -> whatever else

[rare bridge]

nah it's not a block issue

it's a "i only get 20ms of cpu time by default" issue

[scarlet arch]

out of interest, assuming I want to store the pheromones in memory instead of flags, would you say that can still be very efficient? I wonder if, assuming your workers are pretty dumb, it might be worth it

[rare bridge]

you only get 2mb of memory unfortunately

[real sierra]

actually

if you use the RawMemory object

you're allowed to access up to 10mb

but you must use your own serializer

and manage memory segments on your own

[scarlet arch]

so you exchange CPU with memory basically

[rare bridge]

damn 8mb extra for BYOS (bring your own serializer)

[real sierra]

theres some other interesting features of raw memory

like being able to make segments publicly viewable by other players

and reading other players' public segments

[rare bridge]

putting a poison pill in my public memory

[scarlet arch]

man I got shit to do but I SO wanna play around on your guys server now

[real sierra]

screeps is set-and-forget

thats part of why email notifs are a thing i think

[rare bridge]

rn we don't have a server, i need to look into it properly

[real sierra]

not today..?

[rare bridge]

i wanna do it today, but i gotta see if email notifications would work + if any of these features with npc bots are limited to the main server

[wispy jackal]

oh.

[real sierra]

ROLLED

[wispy jackal]

there's no way vro

[lapis wraith]

even auto complete doesn't trust you

[rare bridge]

[warped narwhal]

Brilliant

[rare bridge]

what if i plonk myself right next to shiro in game

[real sierra]

when it says "schedule 20 notifications during one game tick"

im pretty sure that means it sends one email at the end of the tick

with all 20 messages in it

[rare bridge]

damn i can't spam my own inbox

can someone here do it for me pls

[real sierra]

i mean

oh

you want me to try using it on my inbox

here goes nothing

[rough bloom]

I forgor the details of how the batching works but there's a send interval in the account settings

lowest is every 5 minutes, so presumably you can't spam yourself any faster than that

[real sierra]

oh true that also exists

lowest you can drop that is 5 min

idk the precedence order of these settings

i would guess the account setting takes precedence first

[wispy jackal]

works now

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

and then every time it procs, it checks if there are notifs that should've been sent by now

and then batches them in an email

[real sierra]

[rare bridge]

omw to put myself rightn next to shiro (it's a strategic move)

[real sierra]

go for it

[rare bridge]

see you in 13 days (i will die)

[real sierra]

FYI, creep.moveTo will by default explore other rooms while pathfinding too

so if a creep cant get between two points in your room, it might try going through adjacent rooms to find one

my defense code is not smart enonugh to distinguish between civilian and military creeps

[rare bridge]

[scarlet arch]

war crime speedrun

[rare bridge]

i might have to start somewhat away from you shiro

cos your immediate rooms only have one energy source

[real sierra]

there are some nice rooms in this novice area

idk why i didnt pick one of the ones with 3 sources

[inner pike]

is the server up ?

[real sierra]

nah

we're on the official server

cloud coming to farm CPU to get some pixels

im almost to my first decoration

gambling in screeps

[rare bridge]

i found one but there;s enemies in it

[real sierra]

theres E37N34

doesnt look terrible to me, might be awkward to place walls tho

[wispy jackal]

wait lemme mess around with auto-complete

[rare bridge]

E37N34 looks pretty good

also walls aren't needed if you have a good defence script

[real sierra]

or you build walls to max hp

idk if you've done the math on that yet

but walls can have absurd health

[lapis wraith]

But are your creeps smart enough to build the walls when they break?

[real sierra]

yes

mine are

[wispy jackal]

yeah i think this is my sign to stop coding for today

[real sierra]

[wispy jackal]

my auto-complete might be evil herself im not sure

[real sierra]

neurotic neurons would true on this

[rare bridge]

i love the last one

[wispy jackal]

same

[prime ridge]

God I just wish I vedal would let me fix Vedal's latency vs intelligence problem

[wispy jackal]

ok thats it this is absolutely my sign

[real sierra]

yeah thats a sign

i think my screeps have reached peak for this era

[rare bridge]

i think it'd be funny to invade and then like 500 defence creeps just appear out of nowhere to delete their existence

[real sierra]

until they upgrade the controller to level 4 i dont think i needs to touch them

[real sierra]

"appear out of nowhere"

spawn time:

[rare bridge]

well

out of nowhere in creep time

[real sierra]

spawn time is proportional to body size

[rare bridge]

alright, E37N34, now to build

[real sierra]

MY FIRST FRIEND IN SCREEP

[scarlet arch]

do you mark each other as friendlies or how do you prevent attacking each other

[real sierra]

if you want that functionality you have to code it yourself

part of what sparked the earlier discussion of putting a signed token in your public segment

[scarlet arch]

hmm

[real sierra]

non issue anyway

me and cloud cant get to each other atm

@rare bridge whats your approach gonna be

[rare bridge]

no clue

[real sierra]

[real sierra]

FYI, in case you find this helpful

also i tested your emails for you

each of those is a separate notif

its pretty fascinating to watch the timelapse of a room

you can see the macro behaviour so much more

https://gyazo.com/c007528df99e0ba15381c5a347cb81cf.mp4

i saw

[uneven pulsar]

Hello everyone,

I’m planning to build a PC mainly for AI tasks, including heavy fine-tuning and other multi-core demanding workloads. Here is the spec I’m considering:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7900

RAM: G.SKILL DDR5-6000 64GB (2x32GB)

Motherboard: MSI MAG B650M Mortar WIFI

SSD: ESSENCORE KLEVV CRAS C930 M.2 NVMe 2TB

Case: Appco U30 Marine

Power Supply: Micronics Classic II 850W 80PLUS Gold Full Modular

Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE

The total price is about 1,450,000 KRW (roughly 1,100 USD).

I plan to buy a used RTX 3090 later, and add more RAM if needed. I also frequently run multi-core intensive workloads.

Do you think this setup is suitable for AI fine-tuning tasks? Any advice or recommendations for improvement would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!

[real sierra]

i dont have enough expertise to offer any advice i'd be confident in

[rare bridge]

useful!

[real sierra]

watch out cloudburst your controller is gonna downgrade in 16 hours

[rare bridge]

gotta set up a dev environment first

[nocturne olive]

You don't need much CPU, all you need is a ton of GPU

Finetuning and other types of training are GPU-heavy tasks, especally needing a lot of VRAM

On a CPU, good luck finishing this century

[uneven pulsar]

I plan to buy a used RTX 3090 later,

[nocturne olive]

Well, until you do, your PC is not very useful for AI

[uneven pulsar]

Before I buy the 3090, I won’t do tasks that require such a powerful GPU. I don’t need it right now.

[nocturne olive]

Then you're fine

Note that even with a 3090 you won't be finetuning anything massive

[rare bridge]

get a h100

[nocturne olive]

If you've got 40K to spend, sure

[fast pagoda]

https://huggingface.co/apple/DiffuCoder-7B-cpGRPO

Didn't see apple randomly releasing a qwen coder fine tune based on that diffucoder paper

[rare bridge]

@real sierra big news: typescript unlocked

[real sierra]

METAPROBLEM SOLVED

ive realized i might hit a problem ive never had before

[rare bridge]

time to finally make silly little creeps do stuff

[rare bridge]

oh?

[real sierra]

i didnt code in the 50-part creep limit

[rare bridge]

lemme come take a look

[real sierra]

it wont be an issue for like

another many hours still but

if my spawner capacity keeps growing

eventually my code will prob try to make a unit with more than 50 parts

and it'll just clog the queue with units that cant be built

and then everyone dies

but solving this problem in a way im happy with is

[rare bridge]

that may be a problem

[real sierra]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knapsack_problem

NP-complete

[tender river]

shiro you're lucky it even has a solution

[real sierra]

i dont like doing NP-complete problems in under 20ms

[tender river]

np complete is better than undecidable

anyway there are many different subsets of the problem which are solveable

[real sierra]

idek if this is a problem worth solving, my current solution sidesteps it

[rare bridge]

do i get fs in screeps

[tender river]

you get raw memory

[tender river]

and there are many heuristics (like "just take the biggest one that fits")

[real sierra]

i mean

specifically my problem is

given a set of parts with fixed costs, a set of desired relative proportions of these parts, and a max budget, how do i produce the set of parts with total cost closest to but below the budget while adhering closely to the desired relative proportions

the current solution i have finds the "single item cost" from the proportions, then divides the budget by that to get a multiplier, and then multiplies that by the individual proportions and takes the floor of each to ensure below budget

it's quick but the flooring step often leaves much of the budget unused

so i wanted to see if i can add a step to use the remaining budget

but its the knapsack problem at that point i think

[tender river]

do the parts have the same weight?

[real sierra]

there are a few part types, and i can include effectively unlimitedly many of each part type, but each part type is associated with a different weight

[scarlet arch]

look at the remaining budget of each category, figure out the biggest one, see if you can add it to your blueprint or whatever, and then repeat until you can't fit anything anymore

[tender river]

its not the knapsack problem because you're trying to stay close to the ratio

[real sierra]

well

i think the ratio stops mattering at this point

and my reasoning is

i think we can add at most one more of each item at this point

since floor of the post-multiplier count should remove at most 1 potential part of that type

so i think the ratio restricts the part types i would consider adding

[tender river]

anyway since the weights are fixed the only way you couldn't possibly produce more parts is if the cheapest part is more expensive than the remaining budget

[real sierra]

but im either adding a part of that type, or not adding it

[scarlet arch]

still sounds like what I suggested lol

[tender river]

whats the problem, just add more parts of arbitrary type?

[real sierra]

the problem is that ultimately i would like to do Math.round instead of Math.floor in that one step

if we have a theoretical desire for 1.8 of a part, i would prefer to include 2 of it than 1

[tender river]

bad idea that can get you over the limit, but then of course you can just do the same operation but subtract instead

[real sierra]

but it might put me over budget

yeah

but idk which to subtract

either way

i need to find a set of items to add/subtract

to get closer to the budget goal

[tender river]

dont you have total part counts?

you can store their count at least and then just remove the one thats the most above the ratio (some part will ultimately be above it unless the ratio you've produced is perfect in which case you can remove an arbitrary one)

[real sierra]

"the most above the ratio" as in?

[tender river]

the ratio is 234:123:567 but after producing whatever you're currently trying to schedule you'll have 23:12:56, then 234/23 < 123/12 > 567/56 so you can just remove one of the second part if you have to

[real sierra]

calculate the actual proportion

[tender river]

shiro have you never balanced arcospheres

[real sierra]

and then find whichever one is furthest above the target

and remove a part of that type

[real sierra]

a what

[tender river]

arcospheres

[sage crag]

niuh

[tender river]

its pretty simple theres λ, ξ, ζ, θ, ε, φ, γ, ω arcospheres

and you can randomize them or flip their polarity

[sage crag]

[scarlet arch]

[tender river]

the recipes that use them constantly randomize what they use so you have to keep a steady supply of every arcosphere

[sage crag]

[scarlet arch]

is this from that one Factorio mod

[tender river]

and if you accidentally make your arcospheres too similar you can stop being able to convert them to other arcospheres

[tender river]

space exploration

[scarlet arch]

right

[tender river]

i've never done it btw

[tender river]

i want to write a regex engine for the lsp at some point

[rare bramble]

space exploration is pretty cool played it for 500h, got to the mid game and had to temporarily stop playing because my 5600x couldnt keep up, only giving me 15 ups no matter what optimizations I did

[tender river]

since its in the spec

i wonder if there's a regex engine that JITs the regexes

pcre does it apparently

https://pcre.org/original/doc/html/pcrejit.html

(i actually have no idea why the lsp spec even mentions regexes)

okay it's for snippets apparently

so the lsp wont have to have regex support

my plan has been foiled

i'll have to do it some other time

writing a regex engine sounds like fun

[rare bramble]

I havent gotten anything done in screeps because I have been thinking about the data structures that I need to have, I think im slowly getting it, still need to figure out how to treat multiple screeps as a singular unit for later on

[real sierra]

well i added this

whether or not it works, and how expensive it is to compute, is a different question

[real sierra]

METAPROBLEM TRAP

[rare bridge]

shiro

i blame you for bingo being late today

[real sierra]

hi

[inner pike]

i mean, you can assign roles to screeps

[inner pike]

lmaooooooo

[real sierra]

priorities

[scarlet arch]

just use wasm, check instruction count. surely that'll give you an estimate :P

[real sierra]

byter when i Game.cpu.getUsed()

[scarlet arch]

I mean, yeah, but that's reactive, not proactive

[real sierra]

instruction count estimate doesnt help when the main slowdown is a loop

dynamic programming my beloved

[scarlet arch]

oh true completely forgot about those

just trying to be helpful idk

[real sierra]

❤️

i know

thank you :>

[rare bridge]

arrays have persistence

nice memory limitation screeps, i can store all i want in arrays

[tender river]

they do but your code may be restarted at any point

so you can pretty much only use it for caching

[rare bridge]

it wants to spawn 14 harvesters

(i built a job system to spawn creeps so i'm not pointlessly trying to spawn creeps when i can't, but i can still say "hey i need these" and it'll do it.. eventually)

[real sierra]

this: https://docs.screeps.com/contributed/caching-overview.html

[rare bridge]

@real sierra my job code is working

my spawner only spawns when it thinks it needs to

[real sierra]

[rare bridge]

so now i have energy

so i can start letting them upgrade my room controller

okay my creeps don't have an idle job, but i wanna give them "jobs" as well as "roles"

so a role would be it's overall purpose in life, so "harvester" harvesting energy and giving it to extensions and spawns

[olive sable]

Is he seever up?

[rare bridge]

not rn

i'm having to look into stuff more

[olive sable]

Okay

[rare bridge]

i'm playing on the main server rn

[olive sable]

I am back to civilization

[real sierra]

wb!

[olive sable]

We went to ada bojana, and were planning to go back via the river

That was just a bunch of forest tho so we had to backtrack the whole way

And it was all just plastic and trash on the beach

And nudists too ig

[rare bridge]

but the role "harvester" could have jobs such as "harvestAndStore", "havestAndUpgradeController", etc, but all of them have a default "idle" task which tells them to get off a road if they are on one, and just do nothing

@real sierra thoughts on the above?

[real sierra]

analogous to my "role" and "state" vars

seems reasonable to me

[rare bridge]

mhm!

[olive sable]

[rare bridge]

i'm calling them jobs cos it makes sense in the system i'm building (where a creeps actions are defined by their jobs), state would, imo, be the actual action it's doing currently

i might expose that in case it's useful

[real sierra]

interesting

i found that tracking individual actions was too granular

[rare bridge]

like, a harvester may have a job of "harvestAndStore" and currently doing "harvest"

[real sierra]

the simple task of bringing an item from A to B can involve calls to withdraw, transfer, moveTo and of course your idle routine if needed

and given many of these may persist for only a single tick, i haven't found need to store it

i also find that many of these current state particulars can be inferred from the game world itself

but that may only be true with how ive organized things

i might have oversimplified

[rare bridge]

the way i plan to do things is that a role is immutable from birth to death

a creep is spawned to do one subset and is specialized for that role

[real sierra]

im currently operating on the same idea

makes sense to me since their body parts often need to match their intended actions

[rare bridge]

but a creeps current task (might be better to call it task than a job) may be different, and in some cases, shared between different roles

and may be different based on the current room state

[olive sable]

Is there a clock system ingame?

[real sierra]

it makes sense to me to have creeps take actions based on a current sub-task than just their role, with their role more deciding how they transition between sub-tasks

[real sierra]

you can get the current tick as a number

[rare bridge]

yes, that's my vision

[olive sable]

Under my rule a screep shall never be idle

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

The dictatorship starts as soon as im back home

[spark basin]

Where is this? It looks quite big.

[olive sable]

Montenegro

Ada bojana

Apparently where all the nudists and trash gather

[real sierra]

at the rate my creeps are upgrading my room controller, it should almost be done tomorrow

i dont even know what RCL4 unlocks

[spark basin]

So this place is on the other side of the Mediterranean, which is a nice place.

[real sierra]

another 10 extensions and a storage

[spark basin]

I have never been to Montenegro, but I have been to Italy and Vienna near there.

[nocturne olive]

So whar may the silliness going on be this time?

[rare bridge]

the idea is that if i have a few defence creeps, they should be able to switch from idle or wandering tasks to defend tasks due to exterior factors, such as hostile forces being detected

[spark basin]

It's not surprising that there are piles of garbage on the beach, depending on the cleaning frequency of the management department.

[rare bridge]

now the question is how to determine if a force is "hostile"...

got 3 options

[tender river]

its just a drill

[real sierra]

creep.my
room.find(FIND_HOSTILE_CREEPS)

[rare bridge]

doesn't that get every non-me creeps?

[real sierra]

yep

[opaque wharf]

I have, returned

[rare bridge]

feels slightly overkill

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-godzilla-vs-spacegodzilla-spacegodzilla-landing-planet-gif-25080078

[real sierra]

if anyone who knows how to code is wandering creeps into your room

its not for peace talks

[rare bridge]

true

[real sierra]

but i do see your point

so you can always

room.find(FIND_HOSTILE_CREEPS, {filter: (creep) => creep.getActiveBodyparts(ATTACK) + creep.getActiveBodyparts(RANGED_ATTACK) > 0})

[olive sable]

Iggly and i have a peace agreement, im sure its fine

[rare bridge]

either that or detect actual attacks against my stuff

[real sierra]

ooh

[opaque wharf]

Cue the next day

[real sierra]

theres a cool obscure game feature i keep forgetting about that might help you here

[spark basin]

I would like to ask what programming language you usually use.

[opaque wharf]

Sam: "Et tu, Iggly?"

[tender river]

hblang

[real sierra]

check out room.getEventLog()

[tender river]

*not really but i have written the most code in hblang lately

[olive sable]

Iggly would never betray me

@amber fractal right?

[real sierra]

        const precomputeMatrix = new PathFinder.CostMatrix();
        for (const wall of room.find(FIND_STRUCTURES, {filter: {structureType: STRUCTURE_WALL}})) {
            precomputeMatrix.set(wall.pos.x, wall.pos.y, 31 - Math.clz32(wall.hits));
        }

the things i do for efficiency

[olive sable]

Wtf is a costmat?

[real sierra]

you can supply a custom pathfinding tile cost dictionary to the pathfinder

[spark basin]

I only know C language and Python

[opaque wharf]

You hear that Sam? The sound of silence

[olive sable]

Hes probably still sleeping

[olive sable]

Anyways gtg, leaving the nudist beach

[real sierra]

@rare bridge why are all your units standing still

[spark basin]

@olive sable Do you travel in Montenegro or do you live there?

[opaque wharf]

Sam casually dropping a bomb

[spark basin]

Are you local?

[opaque wharf]

He is implementing the art of war

Confuse your enemy by not knowing what you're doing yourself

[real sierra]

NOOOOO

I DIDNT HIT SAVE ON MY CHANGES BEFORE GOING TO VISIT CLOUD

🥲

[real sierra]

at least i still have this

[opaque wharf]

I take back what I said. Sam going on vacation and in exchange got Shiro addicted to screeps while infecting the whole server is more fun and chaotic that I love it

[real sierra]

[tender river]

bwa

[spark basin]

Are you all computer majors, or is programming a hobby of self-study?

[opaque wharf]

I'm curious, what is your ratio of bwa to meow?

[tender river]

more bwas i think

[opaque wharf]

I'm not a programming major. But my major requires me to be able to somewhat program

[real sierra]

i'm a math major

[tender river]

im not a major i hated my uni only having 2 courses where i learned something (both maths related) and dropped out, i think i should've done a math major instead of an IT major

[spark basin]

me too

I study automobile engineering, and CNC engineering and intelligent driving need the participation of some programming.

[tender river]

either way in hindsight dropping out really helped me in life later so i don't regret it

[rare bridge]

they're refusing to talk to the room controller

[opaque wharf]

Hey, we're close then. I'm mechatronics

[real sierra]

the poor room controller

[opaque wharf]

They shy

[spark basin]

Math major, quite impressive.

[tender river]

i like how the example strings for testing string algos are like "ababababa"

[opaque wharf]

Or is having issue and getting silent treatment

[rare bridge]

i convinced them to talk

[spark basin]

We were both mechanical majors, so we can all enter the factory in the future.

[opaque wharf]

Convinced or "convinced"?

[rare bridge]

now one really wants to go to the energy and another one really wants to talk to the room controller

nvm it decided to turn around????

OH

THE SECOND IT LOSES 1 ENERGY IT GOES AND GETS MORE ENERGY

[opaque wharf]

True

[opaque wharf]

The god of minmaxing

[tender river]

sr latch time

[rare bridge]

okay, time to implement tasks because this is the exact reason i want to implement it

[opaque wharf]

Cloud out here, writing better solutions in less than 1 day

Take a note shiro

You're getting steamrolled

[rare bridge]

the thing is

shiro already has this solution

but true

[spark basin]

How many academic years does your master's degree require? My master's degree is three years.

[real sierra]

(i had a week of head start)

[rare bridge]

[opaque wharf]

The only master degree of mechatronics engineering that I know of are in FH Aachen, Germany IIRC. And it's around 3 years too

[spark basin]

Then we are almost the same.

[opaque wharf]

I think we have one in our country too, but knowing the higher ed minister here, I think I'm better off saving and taking my master there

[real sierra]

god the units here arwe gross

HP^2/tick seems like such a weird metric

[opaque wharf]

As opposed to RMS?

[real sierra]

rms?

[spark basin]

German universities have high requirements for academic completion. Fortunately, I am not a German student.

[opaque wharf]

Root-Mean-Square

[real sierra]

thats not a unit is it

idk where you're bringing this up from

[opaque wharf]

It has the same unit as the original unit

Why are you multiplying HP anyway?

[real sierra]

a metric for combat strength

the theory is that a unit's total lifetime damage is (damage per tick) * (ticks alive)

the former is easily known

the latter is proportional to their own HP for a fixed amount of incoming DPS

[opaque wharf]

Mhmm, looks about the same here. My old college used to have a high academic requirement to graduate too. Publishing a paper on a well known scientific journal is one of them

[real sierra]

so total lifetime damage is approximated as (unit dps) * (unit health)

specific lifetime damage would be that divided by average DPS of my attacking force

how do i convert this static building score into HP^2/T tho

needs to have same units to be reasonably added

[spark basin]

Have you graduated with a master's degree? To be honest, studying for a master's degree in Germany is also a superman.

[opaque wharf]

They can't what would it even mean for a building to have DPS? Besides that turret thingy

[real sierra]

its even worse than that

[rare bridge]

my wall has dps

[real sierra]

this score is intended to represent the difficulty of reaching the core of the enemy base from the edge of the map

[rare bridge]

figuring out dps would be a funny way to priortise targeting tho

[real sierra]

so its in units of

...distance?

or maybe time?

[opaque wharf]

I have not. My strategy for higher ed is get a bachelor first, then get work experience, then master. I think it helps to have a work experience because otherwise having master without work experience will over-qualify you for most junior-position

[rare bridge]

building a way for tasks to end themselves in combination to the task controller to prematurely end a task depending on external factors
they just call the end() function and they'll stop and the task controller will decide a new task for them

[opaque wharf]

Then I think DPS is a poor meaure for it

[rare bridge]

i wonder if i should make idle tasks just always check for conditions for being met or if idle should end every tick to do that..

[real sierra]

i dont wanna turn it into DPS

i want to turn it into lifetime damage

current thought is to convert it to the damage i expect to take as a result of having to break through enemy fortifications

[opaque wharf]

This

[real sierra]

i can convert it to the sum of the health of the fortifications along the cheapest path to the interior

and then multiply by expected incoming DPS

[opaque wharf]

Using DPS in your calculation assume you're always taking damage over the distance

[real sierra]

[opaque wharf]

Yep

[spark basin]

That's right, too, but I'm still going to take the postgraduate exam first, because my work experience conflicts with my plan.

[opaque wharf]

You do realize that cloud will also implement counter-measure against this later right?

[real sierra]

this is only one part of the room eval

if cloud adds enough countermeasures then its probably just a hard room to attack

and ill go for someone else

[opaque wharf]

Cue to cloud back reading and finding out that chad who leaves a whole maze for enemy to solve

[real sierra]

pathfind this

honestly kinda genius

[rare bridge]

writing pathfinder helper with caching

[real sierra]

find the weakness of the in-game pathfinding engine and exhaust the attacker's cpu

[rare bridge]

anyway shiro

got question

[real sierra]

whats up

[rare bridge]

is there a method to find my distance from another thing

[real sierra]

manhattan or euclidean

[rare bridge]

i just need to know if i'm in range to interact with it

without interacting with it

[real sierra]

then i have extra good news for you

https://docs.screeps.com/api/#RoomPosition.isNearTo

[rare bridge]

coolio,thanks

[real sierra]

ive become the screeps docs

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

im copilot

[rare bridge]

at least you're not ai like vedal needs

[olive sable]

Im on vacation

[olive sable]

No

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

I will ve doing bachelor independent game production this september.

[sage crag]

awawa

[olive sable]

I wasnt there on purpose

The beach just happened to be like that

[olive sable]

Axelotl

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-squirrel-gif-10948256155380406181

[spark basin]

Enjoy your vacation, except for the damn beach garbage.

[olive sable]

I will

Have this picture

[spark basin]

The Mediterranean is really beautiful, but unfortunately I only saw it on the plane and didn't have a chance to go to the beach.

[olive sable]

Its a lot steaper than the belgian coast

In belgium you have to go like 25m into the water to get knee height, here its just immediatly deep

[real sierra]

this method is crazy expensive

it maxes my CPU bar on use

i guess 4 pathfinding calls and 6 or so reduces will do that

[opaque wharf]

See this shiro?

[real sierra]

enjoy tech debt forever

you will have to redo your paths the moment you build more roads

and if a creep stands in the way of one of those paths, its joever

[olive sable]

Just build your paths in a way to make pathfinding easy

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

I will try the 2nd tutorial as soon as im at the hotel, which will take like an hour or so

Tomorrow we'll be gone to albania all day so no screeps

[rare bridge]

okay i think i cooked with this task code

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

Overmorrow is some type of fort so we dhould have time left for screeps

The day after that is beach day, so also time for screeps

Wednesday is the final day so also time for screeps

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-wednesday-wednesday-my-dudes-gif-13951537

[real sierra]

my code has a bug and i cant find it

[opaque wharf]

Next nuked song idea Sam

[real sierra]

i have an array that looks like this

[[{"x":1,"y":26,"dx":1,"dy":-1,"direction":2},{"x":2,"y":25,"dx":1,"dy":-1,"direction":2},{"x":2,"y":24,"dx":0,"dy":-1,"direction":1},{"x":2,"y":23,"dx":0,"dy":-1,"direction":1},...],...]

and am trying to process it with this eyesore

        const staticScore = rangedDPS * staticScorePaths.reduce((min, path) => 
            Math.min(min, path.reduce((acc2, p2) => 
                room.lookForAt(LOOK_STRUCTURES, p2.x, p2.y).reduce((acc, s) => 
                    acc + ([STRUCTURE_WALL, STRUCTURE_RAMPART].includes(s.structureType) ? s.hits : 0), 0)
                , 0)
            )
        );

but the result is undefined

[opaque wharf]

The outer reduce has no initial value

[tender river]

you should get an autoformatter

[real sierra]

shouldn't be a problem i think

i also am just

unsure of what to put there foran initial value

[rare bridge]

can we reduce this code to a shape

[real sierra]

given the operation is a min

wtf is a shape

[tender river]

do a 999999

[opaque wharf]

Suuure

[real sierra]

[opaque wharf]

Wouldn't be a problem

Rule no. 1, throw away any assumption

[real sierra]

where is my infinity constant

[rigid snow]

that's because Number(undefined) is NaN because undefined gets converted to string first and can't be parsed as a number because js moment

[real sierra]

any language worth its salt has a constant for this

[opaque wharf]

Number.infinity

[real sierra]

oh sweet

thank you

[opaque wharf]

Number.POSITIVE_INFINITY or Number.NEGATIVE_INFINITY

[real sierra]

fixed the problem

thank you

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I just never assume anything when coding in JS

For all I know those method could return 1, object, bananas, or nuke

[real sierra]

i love when my method returns chr(sum(range(ord(min(str(not()))))))

[amber fractal]

Jokes on you, the last one is actually real

I spent too much time in the docs

[opaque wharf]

The sign of addiction is showing

[real sierra]

thought that said addition and i was like

➕

[amber fractal]

It has no sections

[rigid snow]

[] == "" evaluates to true

[opaque wharf]

Now this is just math addict lol

[rigid snow]

but ![] == !"" is false

[opaque wharf]

That's some yummy conversion

[real sierra]

thats not so weird

wait yes it is

?

when is the type coercion performed

and to which types

[opaque wharf]

The notion of array compared vs string literal is already weird as it is

[real sierra]

[opaque wharf]

Don't try to comprehend it

[rigid snow]

js brainrot took over

[opaque wharf]

Just embrace the chaos

Alsi shiro, js min accept destructuring

So you can just

const data = []
Math.min(...data)

[real sierra]

wait what

[opaque wharf]

If data length is more than N it will fail tho (I forgot the specific length)

[real sierra]

really?

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[real sierra]

thats fine

data is at most 4

[rare bridge]

[] == "" is true because strings implement iterable, so "" is pretty much just [] (i am bullshitting this)
but ![] == !"" because [] is truthy and "" is falsy, so ![] == false and "" == true

[opaque wharf]

Screeps is psy ops so more people learn JS

[amber fractal]

uhhhhhhh

[rigid snow]

yeah basically this, but more detailed:
[] gets coerced to string which is basically [].join(",") so "" == "" // true
"" is false because every empty string is falsy
![] is false because the ! makes [] coerce to bool skipping string, and Boolean([]) is true

[olive sable]

???

[rigid snow]

which meeaaannns.... [] == ![] evaluates to true.

[tender river]

yup also this is true

[tender river]

principle of excluded middle defeated once and for all

[rigid snow]

this is too easy to figure out why it does, not good enough for confusing people

[opaque wharf]

"It is wednesday my dude"

[tender river]

yes but then "" == [] is also easy to get

[olive sable]

Its not

Its saterday

[rigid snow]

one would perfectly reasonably but incorrectly assume that it's because strings are iterables like arrays or something, or are char arrays in js

[real sierra]

ok its working

i now have a metric for room strength

[rare bridge]

[opaque wharf]

There's a meme song which the lyrics is just that

[real sierra]

it's incredibly pricy to calculate tho

[rare bridge]

offload it

also i can't test my harvestAndStoreEnergy task cos the only storage is full

[opaque wharf]

Cloud is always trying to offload things out of screeps

[rare bridge]

guess i'll hop in a sandbox

[opaque wharf]

Just like your namesake

[rare bridge]

gotta use the 64 core machine for something

(i don't have one)

[real sierra]

i can hear sam laughing at "64 cores"

[opaque wharf]

"Move things to cloud"

[rare bridge]

i would explain what i meant

but i don't wanna give shiro an advantage

maybe later

[tender river]

how about doing the opposite

[real sierra]

i dont need an advantage

[amber fractal]

I'm gonna have to work on screeps to make sure Shiro~ doesn't destory me any more than I already am.

[tender river]

move your compute to screeps servers

[rare bridge]

actually, i feel like being nice

bucket

[real sierra]

well yeah i know about the bucket

i make active use of it

[opaque wharf]

Chay be out there doing the most cursed thing as always

[rare bridge]

i don't currently

[real sierra]

i have a number of expensive operations that i only run once in a while to use bucketed CPU

[rare bridge]

i should prob check my cpu usage

[real sierra]

cloud invents profiling

[opaque wharf]

On 1st day

[amber fractal]

I'm waiting for Shiro~ to just nuke the entire map once the rest of us get used to the game.

I'm just getting something done in the sandbox hopefully before I get overran.

[rare bridge]

my code works perfectly

[real sierra]

function profile(fn) {
  const fname = String(fn).split('(', 1)[0];
  return function(...args) {
    const c0 =  Game.cpu.getUsed();
    const rv = fn(...args);
    console.log(fname+": "+(Game.cpu.getUsed()-c0)+"ms");
    return rv;
  }
}

[rare bridge]

yoink (it takes remote control of my pc)

[real sierra]

now for some of that offloading

[rare bridge]

profile

[real sierra]

wait does that profiling function actually work?

i didnt test it at all

[rare bridge]

the high latency on createCreeps was an error log

[real sierra]

this eval takes 3.4 CPU on my own room

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

theres not even any enemies in here

[rare bridge]

i might set up automated alerts if i have high CPU usage

[real sierra]

something i set up early was this

    
    log: function(s) {
        console.log("<span>["+Game.time+"] "+s+"</span>");
    },
    
    warn: function(s) {
        console.log("<span style=\"color:#FFCC33\">["+Game.time+"] "+s+"</span>");
    },
    
    critical: function(s) {
        console.log("<span style=\"color:#FF5555\">["+Game.time+"] "+s+"</span>");
    },

[rare bridge]

oh good idea

[real sierra]

actual godsend for my eyeballs

[rare bridge]

alright, i need to write code for controlling tasks

[tender river]

log: function(s) { console.log("<script>alert('" + s + "');</script>"); }

[real sierra]

does that work

[tender river]

one way to find out

[real sierra]

[rare bridge]

THAT WORKED

[tender river]

vote in ligatures poll

[real sierra]

why did it spam alert boxes too

[rare bridge]

why do i have xxs in screeps

[real sierra]

it wasnt just one

HELP

THEY KEEP POPPING UP

OH OF COURSE

ITS IN THE CONSOLE HISTORY NOW

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

EVERY TIME A NEW CONSOLE MESSAGE WRITES I GET A NEW ONE

[sage crag]

curse of popup

[real sierra]

please tell me clearing console fixes this

[opaque wharf]

[warped narwhal]

I will definitely be catching up on all of this context that is probably pretty important.

[tender river]

now you know that console.logging any user-generated content is a bad idea

[real sierra]

i currently only log room names

which are fixed

but thats good science

dear future screeps player,
do NOT print my creep names to the console

you WILL regret it

[warped narwhal]

why?

-# (I wll be doing it regardless)

[real sierra]

please wire 10BTC to my wallet to unencrypt your files

[tender river]

wait wait you can use it to run arbitrary computations in the browser that send the result back to the game

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

nah prob not

[rare bridge]

outsourcing success

[real sierra]

its all in the console.log call

[rare bridge]

i'mma test that wan sec

[real sierra]

unless you mean using the fact that console updates rerun the script stuff

but i dont think you have API access from there

[rare bridge]

actually can't be bothered

[real sierra]

and theres no other way to exfil from the console

[olive sable]

Guys i am at the hotel

Is the server up?

[rare bridge]

is the server up

[olive sable]

Damn the wifi is ass here

[rare bridge]

not rn

[real sierra]

screeps players: refuse to play the game, insist on modifying the game's engine

screeps server host: refuses to get game engine working, plays the game

[olive sable]

Game engines are my speciality

[real sierra]

ok

sam

we just learned that script tags work in the html-enabled console

[rare bridge]

oh my creeps died

[real sierra]

time to make doom in the console

[rare bridge]

and my code autocreated new creeps to replace them

[olive sable]

What are those?

I dont html

[real sierra]

wait

[tender river]

you literally have the console you can send the result back via the console

[real sierra]

wait

[real sierra]

you cant

you could send it back to a human

but your code cant read the console

i guess you do have API access tho dont you

wait

?

[opaque sigil]

a place to put js inside html

[real sierra]

no i think it stillf ails

[tender river]

is this read only then?

[real sierra]

because the script tag updates upon a new console message being sent which only happens when you call console.log from the main script

[olive sable]

I also dont js

Bwaa

[rare bridge]

i wonder how badly my room scores, check my room @real sierra

[real sierra]

i cant check it since i have no creeps/structures in your room

but if i implemented everything right your room would score 0

[rare bridge]

"just steamroll it at this point" score

[real sierra]

its free

[olive sable]

I have fogured out thzt the wifi is good if i keep hhe door open

[rare bridge]

will fix in a few mins just need to write tasks for them

[real sierra]

i need to stop helping cloudburst

[rare bridge]

(tho also programming the code to handle task deligation is important too)

[real sierra]

they're making too much progress

[olive sable]

[rare bridge]

"too much progress" shiro my creeps do not MOVE rn

[olive sable]

Then make them move

[real sierra]

nevermind

[rare bridge]

i have all this fancy code and they do not move

i wonder why

[olive sable]

Is quick, its easy, and its free: not dealing with js

[real sierra]

someone was setting up a rust environment earlier and sent a screenshot of endless type defs for screeps

have not heard from them since, only conclusion i can draw is that rust killed them

[olive sable]

Classic rust

[tender river]

its called data modeling and it does kill you

[olive sable]

Its time to play screeps

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

Nah wait i should shower first

[real sierra]

waiting for the gpu implementation

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

chayleaf gave me an idea tho

[amber fractal]

Dang it, funky town was on a store radio and I blame @olive sable for my reaction

[real sierra]

@olive sable

console.log('<canvas id="glcanvas" width="1" height="1"></canvas><script>const canvas=document.getElementById("glcanvas");const gl=canvas.getContext("webgl");alert("has gl: "+!!gl);</script>')

you can access webgl from the console

there's your gpu access

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

What in the name of Holy Evil did I just witness

[stark needle]

bro gemini chill

[real sierra]

science

if chayleaf can figure out exfil from console to script then you can in theory run things on gpu and get results in your main script

tho i dont know the specs of the gpu over at screeps hq

might be integrated graphics at best

actually i dont know if the console runs over there

prob doesnt

cloud's units are standing there menacingly

i must unlock nukes for MAD

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

i will make the greates screeps gamengine ver

its loading... wifi bad

yay

[real sierra]

more screeps friends

[warped narwhal]

I will not be able to get screeps till I get paid on the 12th, but I will hopefully join you guys then. On a side note, how is the rust bindings coming along? (I am a massive rust nerd)

[real sierra]

I think that's rust bindings guy typing rn

[warped narwhal]

how convenient

[rare bramble]

Not dead yet although i almost died while designing the system. I currently have ~300 lines of code and bascially 0 functionality

[olive sable]

bro cant afford 7,50. need to start a go fund me

[rare bramble]

but now it's all coming together and things should be much smoother now that I have got the foundation done

[real sierra]

welcome to the starting line

[warped narwhal]

times are tough ok

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy, you can afford the expensive game

[olive sable]

yay

superbox i still need like 80 bucks from you lmao

[real sierra]

when I started screeps I used to think "wow, I can't believe they give you so little CPU unless you pay"

[nocturne olive]

Yeah, I'll give them to you once the 3090 is here and I have the money

[olive sable]

you have till my birthday

[real sierra]

but more and more I'm thinking "how bad does your code have to be if you need more CPU"

[warped narwhal]

meanwhile your code is O(n!)

[nocturne olive]

And in how long is that?

[olive sable]

its the 22nd

[nocturne olive]

Of this month??

[real sierra]

just upper bound n and treat that as the O(1) constant time with potential savings if you're lucky

[olive sable]

ye

im not serious btw, but i do like having money

[rare bridge]

they went to bedge

[nocturne olive]

I think from what I can tell I may be getting more money again maybe next month or the one after

[olive sable]

just give it whn you can spare it, preferably sooner than september

[real sierra]

the creeps eeps

[olive sable]

estimated time to finland according to bpost is 5 days

you should have it soon-ish

[nocturne olive]

So maybe during next week

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

Would be very cool

[opaque wharf]

Sam is becoming a dealer here

[olive sable]

i deal 3090's

[nocturne olive]

Well, you sure have some cheap ones

[olive sable]

I bmie screened due to screeps

Kmode exception not handled

[nocturne olive]

Whuh

Does it have kernel malware or something?

[sour harness]

Soon he'll go around breaking people's legs for not paying the GPU taxes

[nocturne olive]

Does it even run on Linux, because if not, I couldn't play even if I had the money

[opaque wharf]

It does runs yes

Arch btw

[nocturne olive]

Silly

Well, guess I at least know that if I ever have the funds to get it

I'm on Mint Cinnamon, probably should work if Arch does

[opaque wharf]

Can different region gift to another region?

[olive sable]

idk why, has something to do with on of the gigbyte apps

[opaque wharf]

On steam

[nocturne olive]

I would assume

[rare bridge]

@real sierra i have run into an issue: i can't actually test my code

[olive sable]

this laptop is decent, but bluecreens like once aa month just cuz why not?

[amber fractal]

In the US it is beyond worth it for 3090s

[rare bridge]

nvm i can test saved

[nocturne olive]

Laptop moment

[rare bridge]

mhm doesn't work

[olive sable]

3050 moment ye

[nocturne olive]

Scam laptop

[olive sable]

it was only 600

[amber fractal]

I'd rather be chased down by Sam then pay for a 3090 here

[real sierra]

????

[olive sable]

i5 12500h and 3050 laptop for 600 is prett good deal imo

[amber fractal]

As long as it isn't 2gb vram I sleep

[opaque wharf]

Looking at the picture from before, I don't think he's that athletic so you have a chance to outrun him

[olive sable]

you also want one? shipping will cost more for you tho

[amber fractal]

I still am mad I got scammed with my 3060 laptop

[olive sable]

shiro and cloud feel free to ignore my illegal bussiness practices

[nocturne olive]

They're probably too busy playing the fun looking game to notice

[real sierra]

depends

what's my cut

[amber fractal]

Nah I'm close as well

[olive sable]

i dont have a tax number, so if i start doing this regularly the belgian irs will come after me

[olive sable]

you also want a 3090?

[opaque wharf]

Man, I miss when our government tax id was separate from our citizen id

[rare bridge]

my code is dealing with how my creeps handle inaccessable energy sources

[real sierra]

you'll have to give me better value per dollar than I have for my current gpu

[opaque wharf]

Tax evasion 101 was like everywhere then

[real sierra]

(my current gpu was free)

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

3090's here are 500 bucks

thats why im dealing

[real sierra]

I just don't test things like this until they cause an error

[olive sable]

this is like breaking bad for tech nerds

[real sierra]

this is why my entire creep loop body is in a try catch

[opaque wharf]

But shipping to the US and customs tho...

[olive sable]

just lie

[opaque wharf]

Lest you wanna build those starlink submarine

[amber fractal]

I was personally saying just say it is parts

[opaque wharf]

Ahh, yes. The tried and tested method of the ancient art called lying

[rare bridge]

my creeps are priortising the controller over creating more of themselves

ngl kinda want that behaviour

[amber fractal]

It is like $50 bucks cheaper including them if I remember correctly

[opaque wharf]

...what?

[opaque wharf]

Oh, so the price there is THAT fucked huh. When shipping international and custom is cheaper than the selling price minus shipping local

[amber fractal]

$800 avg

More likely 850

[olive sable]

i upgraded the controller

[nocturne olive]

Whar does that mean?

[olive sable]

the room controller needs to be upgraded to shit in screeps

[nocturne olive]

How very silly

[real sierra]

if it makes you feel better, the price scaling is not linear

(this does not make anyone feel better)

[olive sable]

ah

huh

[real sierra]

i might actually reach RCL4 by the end of the night

those changes i made were crazy

[olive sable]

can you change a module name?

[real sierra]

wdym change

its a file name

[olive sable]

i typod

[real sierra]

"Open local folder"

then rename

[amber fractal]

I wish, I temp named one bwaa and didn't see a way to change it in game

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

fuck i pressed delte

[amber fractal]

Is the server up yet?

[real sierra]

@rare bridge hi someone has a question for you

[amber fractal]

nuh uh

[real sierra]

i love that when one of my creeps dies, 5 logistics units descend on their corpse to loot them of any energy they had

like vultures

🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅

[amber fractal]

The american way

[olive sable]

my screep is shooting laser beams

[real sierra]

yeah they do that

first of many lasers

[olive sable]

i have fulll energy

ah its building ig

[amber fractal]

I'm still working on more mining stuff

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

niche screeps feature #59438693

towers can repair structures

[amber fractal]

surely not in the tutorial

[rare bridge]

i give up writing this code for now i can leave my creeps inefficient

[real sierra]

didnt get lost in the sauce

[rare bridge]

i should prob focus on defence cos i have none of that rn

[olive sable]

i still dont get js syntax, its bad

[amber fractal]

Time for the most cursed notes I've done in a bit

[rare bridge]

but first, gonna make a task that directly attempts to upgrade my controller

[olive sable]

i dont like te console.log stuff in the tutorial, it spams

[amber fractal]

I was on VC while doing tutorial and my friend was saying how bad it was for spamming

[real sierra]

nah its fine

unless the people next to you are SUPER locked in

you dont need to worry

[rare bridge]

i'mma focus on it anyway

cos i'm super locked in

[real sierra]

the max amount of rooms a person can own is based on their GCL

[rare bridge]

tho tbh the way my code is working rn i could easily revive myself

[real sierra]

wait

im gonna hit GCL2 soon

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

[rare bridge]

wrote a task to allow me to upgrade just by changing a memory value on the room

let's see...

[tender river]

wait were you just doing everything in a single room

[real sierra]

yes

ive written most of my code to generalize to more rooms but i wont know for sure that it works until i claim another

[tender river]

well, i'm sure your neighbors will be kind enough to give you that opportunity

[real sierra]

im in a novice area

no long-time players can get in

for at least 12 more days

[tender river]

ha nerds

[real sierra]

and nobody in the zone is any good at this game

(except cloudburst)

[amber fractal]

I've already generalized the tutorial code a bit so that it is able to handle mutipule rooms.

haven't tested it yet

[real sierra]

actually i lied a bit

that crazyfish person is locked in

[amber fractal]

For now I'm dealing with mining and pathfinding.

[rare bridge]

i have 4 creeps and they all wanna store 49 energy into the spawn

[hoary lion]

ML datasets are making me use a lot of python hidden functions

[olive sable]

how do you emty the memory?

[hoary lion]

__iter__

[rare bridge]

room id?

[real sierra]

for (const key of Object.keys(Memory)) {
  delete Memory[key];
}

something like that?

[amber fractal]

While writing notes these bois are just vibing

[opaque wharf]

I am here, lying on the floor trying to sleep while watching #programming descend into madness with JS and screeps

[real sierra]

they're in our novice zone

the only person with 2 rooms

[hoary lion]

fr tho
#programming is consumed by screeps

[opaque sigil]

sounds like a great time

[hoary lion]

I must join this trend

so I can do JS

[real sierra]

MORE SCREEPERS

[opaque wharf]

It is

[rare bridge]

join us

[sage crag]

screeps is just an elaborate scheme to make more people use JS

despicable