whos gonna tell em
#programming
real sierra
rare bridge
i'm gonna write better code anyway 
real sierra
true...
rare bridge
looks better than i would write initially
anyway, time to use the email notification feature to forward alerts to chatgpt 
sage crag
ubwaa
rare bridge
i wonder.. @real sierra what is your section of the world 
i wanna come take a look
i haven't chosen a placce yet and prob will only play in the neurocord server until i learn everything anyway
rare bridge
looks pretty good mhm
real sierra
i take it they havent all died then
thats good to hear
an improvement from earlier today
real sierra
yeah they dont always keep themselves busy
but i have idling optimizations so its not too expensive
such as them getting the HELL off the road if they're not doing anything
real sierra
ik what that is
they're all waiting for energy to build up
they're not allowed to take energy from the spawn unless it's full 
so once its full they all fight over it
first come first serve
merry plank
import java.util.Scanner;
public class SimpleAI {
public static void main(String[] args) {
Scanner scanner = new Scanner(System.in);
System.out.println("Hi! I'm your little AI friend. Type something to talk to me!");
while (true) {
System.out.print("You: ");
String input = scanner.nextLine().toLowerCase();
if (input.contains("hi") || input.contains("hello")) {
System.out.println("AI: Hello there! How are you?");
} else if (input.contains("how are you")) {
System.out.println("AI: I'm just a computer, but I'm happy to chat!");
} else if (input.contains("bye")) {
System.out.println("AI: Bye-bye! Talk to you later.");
break;
} else {
System.out.println("AI: Hmm... I don't understand that yet.");
}
}
scanner.close();
om a bunch of them decided they REALLY wanted to go somewhere
merry plank
```java
import java.util.Scanner;
public class SimpleAI {
public static vo...
chatgpt made me an ai in java
never tested it though....
rigid snow
looks like it should work but it's cut off, missing a few closing brackets
cerulean dirge
Java? 
rigid snow
kinda fake ai
uhhh did you read the code
cerulean dirge
seems like a pretty
merry plank
rigid snow
damn that's a nice monospace font discord uses huh i never noticed
pulsar edge
```java
import java.util.Scanner;
public class SimpleAI {
public static vo...
You: I'm at my limit. I can't do this anymore.
AI: Hello there! How are you?
lapis wraith
```java
import java.util.Scanner;
public class SimpleAI {
public static vo...
That's what AI was back in my days
wary rover
Oh, I've seen this video. Pretty cool stuff. Very counterintuitive, gotta think in strings and springs to get rid of the illusion that physics breaks
merry plank
```
You: I'm at my limit. I can't do this anymore.
AI: Hello there! How are you?...
yeah
java isn't really used for ai though python is better, im pretty sure
rigid snow
Oh, I've seen this video. Pretty cool stuff. Very counterintuitive, gotta think ...
that message was like a week ago wtf
wary rover
that message was like a week ago wtf
I scrolled back :D
rare bridge
they're very busy sleeping
wary rover
snoozefest
pulsar edge
java isn't really used for ai though python is better, im pretty sure
python is more common, but there's LLM frameworks for basically every language out there
Also all the python frameworks are just wrappers around C++ AI tools
cerulean dirge
real eeper hours
nocturne olive
Still sillying something?
rigid snow
python is more common, but there's LLM frameworks for basically every language o...
yes there are onnx wrappers for every language
merry plank
python is more common, but there's LLM frameworks for basically every language o...
huh...
cerulean dirge
html isn't a programming language anyway 
real sierra
how did this even happen
merry plank
html isn't a programming language anyway <:NeuroNerd:1072901461555564545>
it isn't?
rare bridge
cerulean dirge
it's a markup language
rare bridge
machine learning 
wary rover
If can't do what was asked -> do something different, lie and hope that no one will notice.
Based ChatGPT
rare bridge
hypertext machine learning
cerulean dirge
chatgpt, make me an AI in JSON
rare bridge
chatgpt
make me an ai
in.. hmm
screeps
make it in screeps
rn
wait can i do web requests in screeps
wary rover
Can you make an AI out of gears I wonder. Like huge physical mechanism
rare bridge
use your big, smart brain
real sierra
wait can i do web requests in screeps
dont believe so
rare bridge
FETCH EXISTS 
real sierra
merry plank
happy birthday shiro
real sierra
oh my god
rigid snow
FETCH EXISTS <a:LETSGO:1256734331465109586>
does async not count as cpu time? better than lambda already. hook this boy up to an llm now
real sierra
i did Math.min instead of Math.max
so instead of ensuring it always included minimum cost queued units in the current count
it ensured the opposite
fixed now surely
rare bridge
this is valid js screeps
cerulean dirge
<-- fake ai according to chatgpt
rare bridge
fantastic
rare bridge
i have removed the concept of a const or var apparently
real sierra
you've had this for one day how did you break it already
cerulean dirge
i know nothing about screeps but perhaps you forgot a semicolon somewhere 
rare bridge
seems like my requests are simply being dropped
real sierra
i will say
given you are on a 20ms time limit per game tick
im not sure waiting for a web request is the play
tho maybe it doesnt count for cpu time
rigid snow
i know nothing about screeps but perhaps you forgot a semicolon somewhere <:cirS...
js does not care about semicolons if statements are on separate lines
cerulean dirge
Ew.
rigid snow
you can, like, not use them if you're coming from python or something
i don't always write them either i let the formatter fill in the gaps
rare bridge
im not sure waiting for a web request is the play
no clue
from what i can tell, they're being dropped
real sierra
another potential screeps player lost to the depths of a random invasive idea related to the game engine itself
cerulean dirge
i can forgive javascript for optional semicolons but i will not forgive it for string subtraction operations
olive sable
Yall still doing your thing here huh 
real sierra
nice sleep
rare bridge
<:salute:1093855472248967239> another potential screeps player lost to the depth...
didn't even take 5 hours
i'm getting zero responses so either it's dying from the 20ms time limit, or they're dropping all webrequests out from their server that isn't their own domains
not gonna bother checking, it would have been absolutely hilarious to call the chatgpt api tho 
olive sable
nice sleep
I said i was gonna finish my other convo first, took longer than expected
real sierra
not gonna bother checking, it would have been absolutely hilarious to call the c...
all this means is you need your own LLM instance in game
opaque sigil
real sierra
but now you're started another conversation
rare bridge
mhm javascript llm
real sierra
insteaad of sleeping after that one finished
rare bridge
i wonder if promises are just useless now
opaque sigil
pytorch wasm build where
rigid snow
1000 onnx wrappers disguised as separate ml libraries time
opaque sigil
olive sable
but now you're started another conversation
It wasnt just one convo but i didnt want to end on a serious topic
rare bridge
i just FUCKING DEFINED IT
real sierra
i just FUCKING DEFINED IT
sandbox is remade every tick remember
only things in the global Memory object persist
rigid snow
js is kil. promise explode
rigid snow
can you not define stuff in the console
rare bridge
what
opaque sigil
Is it because of the promise maybe?
real sierra
if it's helpful to know
screeps uses an older version of js
missing things like Array.flat()
rare bridge
opaque sigil
Surely it's at least es5 though right
real sierra
think (hope) so
opaque sigil
Or was it 6
rare bridge
yeah it does not like promises
real sierra
might not be 6
opaque sigil
rare bridge
no buiffers
rigid snow
might not be 6
that explains lodash
rare bridge
what if i wanted a buffer screeps
what then
what
it autocompleted that
i know what limitations i'll be working under now
rare bridge
where
real sierra
where
right there
did you put a ; after a function definition
i saw you do that earlier too
rare bridge
to put code after it, yes
rare bridge
classes work 
olive sable
It wasnt just one convo but i didnt want to end on a serious topic
Ye this might take a while longer
rare bridge
tomorrow i make server and start playing
opaque wharf
Oh, I've seen this video. Pretty cool stuff. Very counterintuitive, gotta think ...
Yeah, they made a reversible one by using compliant mechanism
real sierra
classes work <a:pogs:1100369978324156496>
looked back at screeps
had a big bug that was breaking everything 
just fixed it
you massacred all the creeps
faint sandal
real sierra
opaque wharf
Can't wait until all the mods are so absorbed into screeps 
sage crag
this makes my spine ache
real sierra
it was a really serious bug too
warped narwhal
Help, I'm in this gif and I don't like it
real sierra
on the bright side
accidentally spamming units has helped me build confidence in my caching solution
my cpu remained manageably low
opaque wharf
I will go and buy groceries and then cook now, bye
warm terrace
Who has broken at least 2 keyboards while programming
opaque wharf
Why?
Why would you break a keyboard while programming?
Did you press the enter key like it owes you money?
opaque sigil
sounds like something you might want to work on
warm terrace
Yea
opaque sigil
on an unrelated note, i just lost an hour to the fact that git will refuse to work at all with an ssh-agent if i don't add
core.sshCommand = C:/Windows/System32/OpenSSH/ssh.exe
idk who to thank, openssh or windows
opaque wharf
If you use git for windows, it makes sense that you need to point the ssh to the windows binary version
What I can't fathom is why they didn't put it in their PATH like every other windows utility
warm terrace
Oh ya funny thing happened on my pc. My windows antivirus software thought that my OS was a virus. what do I do
opaque sigil
clearly you should wipe it and install nixOS
warm terrace
lol fine but I’ll back all my stuff up first
opaque wharf
Hmmm, it seems like there MAY be a conflicting ssh.exe found by git somewhere with a different config
warm terrace
clearly you should wipe it and install nixOS
It’s not like I’m going to have to swap over from windows
opaque sigil
Hmmm, it seems like there MAY be a conflicting ssh.exe found by git somewhere wi...
wait, you might have a point there
there's an ssh binary in the git folder
i have a kinda fucked up system since my PATH is actually just full so i needed a 2nd one that then gets appended in the shell but the openssh binary should be selected either way in a clean shell
maybe i should give up trying to manage dotfiles for linux and windows in the same repo ugh, so many small yet annoying differences
jagged turtle
just tell people to look it up
opaque wharf
wait, you might have a point there
It happens. I'm familiar enough with development on windows that some of those pitfalls can be spotted
Just like when my PATH env var is reaching its maximum limit
Like why does it have a limit 
real sierra
another bug 
the spawn queue wasnt checking the cost and would try to spawn things outside the current energy availability
which would fail silently
opaque sigil
Just like when my PATH env var is reaching its maximum limit
Technically there's no real limit but the UI they provide does have a limit or something, could be wrong it's been a while
opaque wharf
Technically there's no real limit but the UI they provide does have a limit or s...
32k character. Not to mention the entire path length limit too (not env var path, the actual path length)
Which is problematic for me at that time because I have so many SDK and devtools that expect most of the things in path. So rather than trying some hacky way by modifying the installation process, I just have a script to select what env I want to activate
opaque wharf
Brother, it's the weekend. Touch some grass
real sierra
brother, it's the day before cloud hosts the screeps server
i must ensure this is in a state ready to deploy
opaque wharf
Shiro is trying to get every advantage he could. Cue to the next day the base is already steamrolled by Evil's Holy Army
broken mirage
we will fight to the last creep
Is there a Visual Code Extension to make you solve the error easier?
I mean, UI helps sometimes
real sierra
?
opaque wharf
LSP
real sierra
i'm not writing this in vscode
opaque wharf
Oh for screeps
real sierra
i have stack traces
thats all i need
i even have coloured console output
courtesy of
function warn(s) {
console.log("<span style=\"color:#FFCC33\">["+Game.time+"] "+s+"</span>");
{
There is no console.warn or console.error?
real sierra
opaque wharf
Heck, even console.table?
real sierra
to my knowledge, console.log is the only console function implemented
opaque wharf
JS dev will do anything but touch a debugger
real sierra
real sierra
JS dev will do anything but touch a debugger
like you would use a provided debugger even if it was there
instead of writing your own
opaque wharf
marble thorn
opaque wharf
If the paste is non-conductive, LGTM. Ship it to the end user
opaque wharf
Screeps time
Lunch first for me
amber fractal
Tasty lunch
opaque wharf
I took a lesson about taking pictures in my room to share food before lol. That is taken near kitchen with lots of natural sunlight
dire turret
i ran out of white rice
white rice can go with ANYTHING
oop i got off topic
uh
do [ coffeCup.drink(); workTask.Execute(); if (coffee.Cup.Empty()) { if (coffeePot.Empty()) coffeePot.Make(); cofeeCup.Refill(); } } while (!workTask.Done());
dire turret
hehe looks like crap
amber fractal
Shiro is trying to get every advantage he could. Cue to the next day the base is...
I am so fricked
jagged turtle
iggly what does the bingo board look like now
amber fractal
this atm
at least as far as I'm aware
I just tend to search for messages containing bingo
jagged turtle
am I counted as a common chatter here
amber fractal
I'd say so, and I apologize for not adding B3 after revealing a new project
Just skipped my mind
inner pike
good morning
jagged turtle
yeah I was like B3 I did because I was gonna need feedback on it at some point lmao
amber fractal
A few of us handle fetching bingo, but anyone can update it
It isn't like it is web app, yet
#bingo
I am still salty AI sentience argument was not on this one
opaque wharf
It isn't like it is web app, yet
You're giving #programming idea
Cloud will just update neuro bingo to include chat bingo
amber fractal
You're giving <#1071784467036913664> idea
Not if I make a github for it first
which I already did but haven't bothered to update
opaque wharf
Yeah? WE'LL USE FORGEJO!
amber fractal
The original of this was an SVG, stolen from the FAQ
One day I will get around to finishing that one
opaque wharf
So its only time until it gets nuked to hell and back
amber fractal
Last I worked on it, it actually was able to handle multiple tables now
only with the worst config file known to man
At least once I do this one, I can do the bingo easily enough.
built to be too flexable
opaque wharf
There is an easy way. Just use JSON with static web host like github pages. A change to the bingo is a push to the repo 
Client-side JS could be used for persistence
amber fractal
As the original meme went, md -> svg + png, hosted on github pages for the embed.
That's the FAQ, so I'll just be commiting every bingo slot filled
The reason for the bingo bot: to git commit every bingo slot.
Can't wait to random select new bingo slots. keeping a counter on N5
opaque wharf
Can't wait to random select new bingo slots. keeping a counter on N5
Unlikely 
amber fractal
bingos since vedal has chatted
tulip ermine
neuro would probably likely respond before vedal does
amber fractal
I still think it is vedal, but still unobtainum
opaque wharf
We need a good turtle bait
amber fractal
I would say mass misinfomation, but that one would have worked by now
opaque wharf
opaque wharf
Hmm, close to 4 hr
amber fractal
just stop time to play screeps
amber fractal
yep
olive sable
The problem isnt the actual time, im not paying 7.50 per day for mobile data
tender river
people dont understand why haskell style is a thing. Its not made for C, its for writing delimited text without a trailing delimiter. Here are two ways of writing the same thing:
(
a,
b,
c
)
( a
, b
, c
)```
In the first case, if you want to add an element after `c`, you have to add a comma after it, but all other options give you "extensibility" for free without changing existing lines by only adding new lines.
In the second case, if you want to add an element before `a`, you have to add a comma before it, but all other places can be added to without changing existing code.
The second case is additionally more compact, so it wins.
If the language does support trailing commas, the first option may still be preferred despite being less compact. In fact, currently the Nix ecosystem is migrating in this direction.You don't have monthly plan?
opaque wharf
Oh, hi Chay. I've fixed my camera by taking a picture in a brightly lit rooms now lol
opaque wharf
But in belgium
I forgot that EU is wack
olive sable
Montenegro is not part of the EU so we dont get roaming
olive sable
I forgot that EU is wack
Does your sim work for the entire world?
I get these places
opaque wharf
Does your sim work for the entire world?
No, but my country is archipelago and large enough so I don't experience much issue with mobile ISP
And also because I don't travel much outside of my country. Traveling between the island is already a PITA sometimes lol
olive sable
I am 2000km from my house tho
opaque wharf
2000 KM is almost the entire country span
tender river
my mobile plan with unlimited internet is around $0.1 a day and it makes the carrier scream in pain
olive sable
tender river
(billed daily rather than monthly)
olive sable
Our wifi is like 80 bucks / month
And my phone is 10 / month
opaque wharf
I wonder if saily could work great for people in the EU
opaque wharf
my mobile plan with unlimited internet is around $0.1 a day and it makes the car...
Here we have unlimited but with limit
olive sable
I wonder if saily could work great for people in the EU
I doubt it would work for montenegro
I cant find saily on the play store anyways lmao
opaque wharf
I like EU approach to new stuff. Let the rest of the world be the test ground and refine it for EU
Which is nice if you don't always need the latest anything
olive sable
My phone doesnt have e-sim apparently
The nijagara has wifi tho
Theh forgot the water of their waterfall tho
I hope screeps on phone isnt too shit
opaque wharf
I hope screeps on phone isnt too shit
....you want to code on phone?
opaque wharf
Theh forgot the water of their waterfall tho
We have "Thousand waterfall" here
amber fractal
....you want to code on phone?
Not the worst experience, not as bad as running code on your phone
olive sable
....you want to code on phone?
Otherwise there is no time yo prepare
Cloudburst will be opening the server today!
Huh
Lemme put in desktop mode
olive sable
It works in desktop mode, but i cant copy paste the code
amber fractal
This is normally why I grab a keyboard with modifiers even on android
olive sable
No screeps on the playstore 
amber fractal
the code block should be able to be CTRL+A 'd as long as you have it selected
the problem on android is that you can't easily do that
olive sable
Guys lemme play
amber fractal
tender river
olive sable
I dont even know what those are
noble zodiac
Æ
amber fractal
bwaa ligature when
tender river
(the text is the same)
noble zodiac
if I could I would vote both no and ew
opaque wharf
I love arrow ligature
rare bridge
someone actually let you play
amber fractal
It was a spare machine to be fair and I trust Sam
rare bramble
i like some of them 
rare bridge
It was a spare machine to be fair and I trust Sam
fair enough
olive sable
The wifi here is just too slow
amber fractal
I love code not working bwaa
olive sable
I got like 4.5mbps
amber fractal
o7
One way or another, the code now works
This should have not taken as long as it did
They are mutiplying at least, took forever to get back to basics without any hardcoding
Besides the issue of only one source being targeted at the moment, this is good enough for now.
rare bridge
shiro ain't looking too hot
amber fractal
o7 shiro
olive sable
Tbh at thisvrate ill only be able to join friday
I cant micro manage a colony like this
Wait lrmme crop that
ruby timber
Dry Dry Desert IRL???
ruby timber
amber fractal
tender river
from a river to a parking lot? america must import this technology immediately
amber fractal
So true
amber fractal
before I forget, @opaque wharf screeps have a say action limited to 10 chars
Back to eep
opaque wharf
before I forget, <@1318719337540096002> screeps have a say action limited to 10 ...
What?
So the screeps can only say 10 char?
What kind of bass ackward limit is that
rare bramble
you can nuke people in this game
trim oar
Hey guys,
I got a somewhat strange email for the vedal plush merch. It looks legit, however the link redirect to https://ctrk.klclick.com/l/ [followed by random string]. This link gets blocked for me.
A quick google search provided nothing conclusive for this link. Does anyone know if this is legit or a phishing attempt?
opaque wharf
I do not know. What is the content of said mail and have you ordered it or maybe entered your email on waitlist before?
trim oar
It was sent by news@hellojuniper.com which is the merch company of vedal and I did order the lava lamp.
tender river
Hey guys,
I got a somewhat strange email for the vedal plush merch. It looks leg...
its a url used by the mailing list to track your clicks
its fine to open it
trim oar
Yeah, I am like 95% sure that it is fine, just want to double check if someone knows something to prevent me from doing something stupid.
dense cosmos
dense cosmos
spark basin
rare bridge
i have done a thing
opaque wharf
So, Shiro
It turns out the last mysterious function that I got was a tan
Not sqrt
scarlet arch
i have done a thing
What is the thing
Also currently struggling to get up from my couch to actually program stuff, but meeeh no motivation
opaque wharf
There is a particular feature tho when I fit a tan function
Oh, nvm. It was an artifact. Yeah it is a tangent function
def tan(x, a, b, h):
return a*np.tan(b*x)+h
def sqrt(x, a, b, h):
return a*np.sqrt((b*x)-h)
opt, cov = scipy.optimizer.curve_fit(tan, cat0['x'], cat0['y'])
...
mighty nebula
Also currently struggling to get up from my couch to actually program stuff, but...
I have no motivation to code, outside work
scarlet arch
I have no motivation to code, outside work
It sucks cause I got projects to do
uneven pulsar
It sucks cause I got projects to do
Holy shit, you're online right now
I literally never catch u online anymore, I missed ya 
scarlet arch
Holy shit, you're online right now
I'm online pretty much all the time. I just lurk
uneven pulsar
I'm online pretty much all the time. I just lurk
Oh 
dry charm
It sucks cause I got projects to do
I know that feel too much
I have multiple projects to do an.. oh PVZ
When you want to invest like 8 hours into so you are done. You have everything in mind what to do. You start it and you just stuck
scarlet arch
Yeeeeep
I'm better at planning than I am at doing
Honestly I might just start breaking stuff down into even more tiny parts for that minor boost of serotonin
olive sable
Im am alive
scarlet arch
Im am alive
olive sable
We were supposed to arrive like 2 hours ago, but the hotel we booked didnt exist
dry charm
wait WHAT
scarlet arch
Huh
olive sable
We found a real hotel now
dry charm
Did not exists?!
olive sable
Scam account
olive sable
You pay in advance
real sierra
olive sable
So you book the hotel and then your money is gone
It wzs only like 250 so not too bad, but still suck
scarlet arch
Hi Shiro 
real sierra
Hi Shiro <a:nyaaWave2:706107990574628975>
olive sable
I download the screeps docs repo on my phone, but it wasnt all that readable so i just read the vulkan thingy more
Im at page 140 or so now, the render loop works
If i had actually programmed it i mean
real sierra
@rare bridge 
rough bloom
started, built itself, died
used screeps-launcher probably?
scarlet arch
What are you guys doing? 
real sierra
neurocord screeps server
it does surprise me a bit that $5 is a deal breaker for so many people
it's like the price of one or two coffees
olive sable
You have till friday next week
Actually, take as long as you need
whatever it takes to not let shiro have a headstart
rare bridge
dw i'll give myself a head start
olive sable
Fuck
scarlet arch
it does surprise me a bit that $5 is a deal breaker for so many people
Like, the game client costs that much but you can set up a server like in the good old days?
olive sable
Everyone is gonne be miles ahead 
real sierra
Like, the game client costs that much but you can set up a server like in the go...
yeah the steam client costs $5
olive sable
Ill just have to nolife it for a bit to catch up
scarlet arch
Neat
real sierra
scarlet arch
It's definitely something I would love to play, if I didn't absolutely feel like doing nothing on weekends 
olive sable
Cuz i downloaded the itchio docs repo on my phone i have all these images now
Is the plan to keep posting about screeps here, or should we get a diffrent channel?
warped narwhal
it does surprise me a bit that $5 is a deal breaker for so many people
Bold of you to assume I have $5
scarlet arch
I haven't looked that deep into it, but could I use screeps like an ant colony simulator where I program the ants? Or is there no such thing that could act as pheromones? 
dense cosmos
tried to get cell shading via direct rendering
unfortunately, the performance was bad
was pretty much unplayable
real sierra
I haven't looked that deep into it, but could I use screeps like an ant colony s...
you could implement pheromones, you just have to figure out how on your own
your limited to 2MB of memory
10MB if you're clever
scarlet arch
Ah so it's global state pretty much. You can't use the world as your memory
scarlet arch
real sierra
non-physical objects that you can place in any room at any location
scarlet arch
Right. Can they hold data?
real sierra
no
scarlet arch
Fuck
scarlet arch
Ah
real sierra
so you could make a map in global memory
scarlet arch
Yeah I feel like that'd explode the memory
scarlet arch
Pheromones are based on strength, so if you can't simulate that in the world environment it's kinda dead already
real sierra
unless you are very careful with your phermone use
olive sable
Huh, what tf am i looking at???
U is uranium, wtf is ultrium?
real sierra
Huh, what tf am i looking at???
U is uranium, wtf is ultrium?
there's a whole crafting system late-game
olive sable
scarlet arch
Wait, cursed idea
real sierra
you can sell minerals on the market
scarlet arch
How many colours are there...
warped narwhal
How many colours are there...
At least 3
olive sable
real sierra
you can also use some minerals for stuff like generating safe zone activations
real sierra
How many colours are there...
good question
they're defined by constants so
can't be too many
scarlet arch
good question
You can see where I'm going with that right
real sierra
maybe
trim valve
scarlet arch
If there's a way to store memory in the world, it would be so easy to cheat haha
real sierra
trim valve
one less excuse to do anything but play screeps
olive sable
Iirc you were on shard 3?
olive sable
But what do the shards mean?
real sierra
your code executes on each shard separately
but your CPU limit is shared between them all to my knowledge
there are inter-shard portals in a few places that let you travel between shards
trim valve
one less excuse to do anything but play screeps
(well actually I'm on a bus for another hour or two but shh)
real sierra
and there's also some specialized inter-shard memory for communicating between them if you wish
olive sable
I like how i was the first petson that bought it in neurocord after shiro started advertising, but ill be the last who's able to play
real sierra
it's ok
you'll be the one who knows what you're doing most
cloudburst lost to the console after all
olive sable
Will i know what im doing? Im mostly just being tourist things rn
trim valve
(well actually I'm on a bus for another hour or two but shh)
my beloved
warped narwhal
Cloudy and full of hills. Is this Scotland?
olive sable
E
real sierra
Will i know what im doing? Im mostly just being tourist things rn
surely
olive sable
Surely
trim valve
I'm very tempted to do some wasm shenanigans for pathfinding icl
save a few picoseconds
real sierra
let status = creep.doThing(target);
if (status == ERR_NOT_IN_RANGE) {
creep.moveTo(target);
}
real sierra
I would invite you to actually use your available CPU before optimizing
olive sable
I will
trim valve
real and true
olive sable
I will use all the cpu
real sierra
sure you will
surely you won't be stuck trying to save 0.1 of your 0.2 CPU overhead
olive sable
I will calculate the universe in screeps 
inner pike
Wait is the server up
real sierra
no
olive sable
No
real sierra
cloud broke it
inner pike
wdym broke it
real sierra
it opened and then closed and no longer opens
olive sable
Cloudburst is slow, but that means i have more chance to catch up
olive sable
About the nolifing thing, ill probably work on my game engine too.
I dont have the energy to play the same game 20 hours
inner pike
cloud is a crazy good dev <:WICKED:1085315303354945536>
yeah i know
cloudburst was in my team for the game jam
real sierra
About the nolifing thing, ill probably work on my game engine too.
I dont have t...
you were planning around 4h sleep
trim valve
I am gonna get drafted into modded technical MC soon so we'll see how much screeps happens
real sierra
it's ok I find screeps is best worked on in short bursts anyway
you make changes, leave for a few hours, come back and see what else broke
olive sable
Shadow still has his mc server running cuz he forgot the password
inner pike
lmao
real sierra
I had a crazy dream last night
olive sable
Why 2 moves?
real sierra
where I had a bunch of roommates that didn't like me but we were all practicing for some magic school
real sierra
Why 2 moves?
when a creep moves, it generates some amount of fatigue per part dependent on terrain
a creep is immobile for the tick if it's fatigue is greater than 0
a move part reduces fatigue by 2 per tick
I think
rare bridge
i figured out why my web requests were failing
olive sable
rare bridge
or at least the most likely reason
olive sable
Wait i shouldnt cheer, im not able to play rn
rare bridge
apparently the cpu limit is a time limit, so by default on shard3, you have a maximum of 20ms to execute your tasks
but you can also put cpu time in a bucket to then use in 500ms batches
trim valve
pretty sure you should have up to 500ms if you let your reserves increase
real sierra
rare bridge
real sierra
time to check on my screeps 
wonder what they're up to
trim valve
I'd also be mildly surprised if they let you actually do web requests but idk
rare bridge
need enough cpu to talk to chatgpt
trim valve
need enough cpu to talk to chatgpt <:xdx:1055628293405159434>
you can always misuse the web api
real sierra
LOOK AT ALL THAT ENERGY
real sierra
THIS CREEP COSTS LIKE 800?
trim valve
(I have absolutely plans to do similar misuse )
real sierra
wtf
rare bridge
THIS CREEP COSTS LIKE 800?
damn that creep does nothing but work
real sierra
it seems ive fixed all the core issues with my ai
real sierra
damn that creep does nothing but work
yes it needs to be dragged to its work location
wtf i drained the source completely
olive sable
Aight bye
trim valve
<:neurOMEGALUL:1097297318119743638> wtf i drained the source completely
time to add new logic
inner pike
Why 2 moves?
so it moves faster
real sierra
i have like
over 10000 energy stored
god that was such a good change i made last night
never actually seen this warning before
trim valve
so wait does that actually work on the public servers 
real sierra
opaque wharf
need enough cpu to talk to chatgpt <:xdx:1055628293405159434>
Make separate service to buffer the screeps request and while waiting the screeps can accumulate CPU time
ez pz
real sierra
what would i even put in public memory
something that another player could understand with no docs and no knowledge of format
opaque wharf
something that another player could understand with no docs and no knowledge of ...
JSON
trim valve
time to implement IP over screeps public memory
real sierra
my thought was actually a function
trim valve
how hard could that possibly be
real sierra
if i put a stringified function in there that grabs the rest of my relevant public info
and returns it as a nice table
opaque wharf
#programming really do be doing something else but doing the actual task/game
real sierra
its that or i put an RSA public key in there
wispy jackal
<#1071784467036913664> really do be doing something else but doing the actual ta...
ive been lurking and i can confirm
opaque wharf
its that or i put an RSA public key in there <:neurOMEGALUL:1097297318119743638>
At least do ECC
uneven pulsar
opaque wharf
Anyway, the journey to my mobile development ended up at https://expo.dev
real sierra
At least do ECC <:catdespair:1087521982817509426>
i am not concerned about compute-bound attacks happening in screeps
trim valve
colour
opaque wharf
i am not concerned about compute-bound attacks happening in screeps
It's not just about the compute. The key size is smaller
dense cosmos
stupid unreal and its 10,000 shaders
trim valve
(good video though)
real sierra
It's not just about the compute. The key size is smaller
thats a fair point
but i can also just use RSA 256
opaque wharf
colour <:catdespair:1087521982817509426>
OkLCH the GOATED
At that point just use AES
opaque wharf
Kerberos
opaque wharf
See, there is always some more cursed way
real sierra
but i need multiple servers for that
opaque wharf
Multiple service, not necessarily server
trim valve
shiro why do you need this
opaque wharf
shiro why do you need this
See, that's like asking the creator of movfuscator why do they make it
real sierra
im just trying to think of what the public segment would ever be for
opaque wharf
Because they can
real sierra
i cant exactly hand other players docs on how to use my public memory segment
opaque wharf
Anyway, back to work I go
real sierra
so im trying to find something reasonable to put in there
trim valve
my only idea is for like tagging clan members?
trim valve
so you could put like a signature in there based off of the owner id
real sierra
you would need to sign it somehow
yeah
but you still need to key it
because owner id is public too
need a secret of some kind
trim valve
I mean in the context of a clan the ringleader can just distribute keys oob
real sierra
but it still makes no sense
scarlet arch
too easy to fake that
JWT maybe?
real sierra
at this point you may as well store a list of owner ids
because those cant be forged
trim valve
ig
but the cursed signature method doesn't need everyone to constantly maintain a list of friends
instead you can just "hey guys here's my proof im a friend, if you don't know what this means I'm an enemy"
trim valve
also it's constant time
real sierra
all algorithms are O(n) where n is the number of times I run it
trim valve
real and true
real sierra
something ive always wondered
can you hand out an rsa private key to everyone
and keep the public key secret
scarlet arch
isn't that the whole point of it
real sierra
no the point here is that
tender river
it's like the price of one or two coffees
speak for yourself, $5 can buy me a few months of coffee
real sierra
speak for yourself, $5 can buy me a few months of coffee
or a few lifetimes of screeps
the better deal is clear to me
coffee is temporary, screeps is forever
tender river
the lives of screeps mean nothing to me
real sierra
no the point here is that
i want everyone to be able to decrypt my messages
tender river
i'd take coffee over them any day
real sierra
but i dont want anyone to be able to create messages that seem like they come from me
real sierra
the lives of screeps mean nothing to me
wispy jackal
here we go again
real sierra
human pattern recognition
wispy jackal
tender river
its easy to read it
real sierra
i am better than any image transformer
wispy jackal
built different
scarlet arch
i want everyone to be able to decrypt my messages
yes. pretty sure thats what it's for. You sign messages with your signature (don't even need to encrypt it), and anyone with the public key can verify it came from you
wispy jackal
welp before i have a mental breakdown of coding today im getting a snack
wish me luck for my wellbeing
real sierra
yes. pretty sure thats what it's for. You sign messages with your signature (don...
i had always thought the public key had to be specifically for encrypting and private key always for decrypting
scarlet arch
i had always thought the public key had to be specifically for encrypting and pr...
With public-key encryption, anybody can encrypt data with the public key. Only the owner of the private key can decrypt encrypted messages to recover the data. With signatures, only the owner of the private key can sign messages. Anybody can use the public key to verify the signature of a message.
real sierra
scarlet arch
it's exactly what you want :P
slap JWT on top of it to save on lookups and it's pretty efficient
opaque wharf
but i dont want anyone to be able to create messages that seem like they come fr...
That's... just the usual RSA
The usual RSA is used to sign is because encryption using it is a H U G E, and I meant C H O N K Y numbers
You encrypt using secret key, and everyone will decrypt using shared/public key
scarlet arch
I mean you can just use elliptic curves but sure
real sierra
You encrypt using secret key, and everyone will decrypt using shared/public key
so you can decrypt with public key
i had a feeling it was possible but kept telling myself it wasnt
scarlet arch
so you can decrypt with public key
yes but only what you encrypted. if anyone uses the public key to encrypt, only you can decrypt it.
real sierra
but yeah the modular arithmetic checks out
real sierra
yes but only what you encrypted. if anyone uses the public key to encrypt, only ...
yeah i get that part
scarlet arch
just saying :D
real sierra
ik
ok i see
then signature makes sense
i can send out an encrypted secret and it only decrypts to a shared known value if its my secret
could just encrypt my ownerid or something
opaque wharf
could just encrypt my ownerid or something
IIRC, if the encrypted data is known then someone can get the private key
So you need some nonce
opaque wharf
The whole idea of TLS in Screeps is over engineering
real sierra
agreed
but nobody liked my idea of hard coded names
so here we are
stop using infeasible attacks as a counterargument to my ideas
you programmers
grrrr
scarlet arch
im not spending 10 cpu on a signature
hows that calculated btw?
real sierra
one more technically correct comment and im deleting your chnanel
real sierra
hows that calculated btw?
1 CPU ~ 1ms
scarlet arch
oh I see
opaque wharf
one more technically correct comment and im deleting your chnanel
Bet 
real sierra
cloud was looking at web requests
opaque wharf
can you offload to external CPUs? :D
You can, and it will be cursed
Like what cloud is trying to achieve
real sierra
i think communicating with an external server in that time frame would be
difficult
the transmission overhead probably kills the idea
since you need real time data
UDP and pray ig
can js even use UDP?
opaque wharf
UDP and pray ig
Wait, you can open raw socket?
opaque wharf
can js even use UDP?
Some runtime (Node.JS, Deno, Bun) can
opaque wharf
you can use `fetch`
Oh, just HTTP then. You can maybe leverage SSE
To minimize latency
If websocket is not available
If websocket IS available, then use that
opaque wharf
real sierra
my brainpower needs to be dedicated to the immediate practical screeps needs
real sierra
I assume you don't have access to any sort of file stuff right?
nope
just memory afaik
scarlet arch
ah damn
real sierra
scarlet arch
still thinking on that ant idea haha
opaque wharf
Alright, back to work I go
real sierra
back to work
i did consider phermones at one time myself
but it seemed too hard to store them
and too expensive to modify them
trim valve
ants feels like it'd be possible if you just made a large array
real sierra
its memory bound, thats the issue
trim valve
hm
real sierra
max 2MB memory if you use the built in serializer
max 10MB if you work on raw memory
trim valve
tbh you only need pheremones in the few rooms you're actually in
which are only like 50x50
scarlet arch
but it seemed too hard to store them
I looked it up. you can have 10x10 different flag colours (though you don't have to use preset colours) and you can put stuff in the name... so ya know...
real sierra
and each phermone needs to store a fair bit of info
real sierra
I looked it up. you can have 10x10 different flag colours (though you don't have...
you should be aware that
scarlet arch
real sierra
since flags are an object that technically change game state
they incur an additional cpu cost to create
scarlet arch
yes but they could be so worth it
real sierra
and you cant modify name, color, etc after creation
scarlet arch
I love writing code that has "emergent behaviour"
way more fun to me than directly writing AIs
real sierra
ive actually tried filling a room with flags before
couldnt accomplish it within a tick
so you need to watch out for the compute bound
especially since you still need some left over for actually moving the units
scarlet arch
okay so.. flags are expensive, but can hold a variable of 100 different values. that.. is pretty useful
tender river
You cannot have more than 10,000 flags
literally 1984
scarlet arch
lemme check something
tender river
okay but it looks like flags dont have their own memory
scarlet arch
> You cannot have more than 10,000 flags
literally 1984
if you somehow can use this efficiently, thats 62.5 kB...
scarlet arch
okay but it looks like flags dont have their own memory
yes which is why I'm saying you can use the primary and secondary colour as memory
tender river
yeah
scarlet arch
I love cursed shit like this that can give you an edge
real sierra
oh i lied actually
you can change the color of flags
and the position
just not the name
scarlet arch
yeah
tender river
i think the more important thing is the flags' position
you can use them as e.g. waypoints
real sierra
you could use them as the phermone sources themselves
tender river
as a spatial index or whatever
real sierra
color for phermone type
or i guess you'd want that in the name actually since its fixed
tender river
well, ultimately just storing that data in your own memory is probably more efficient
since you get 10mb
real sierra
chayleaf prob right, memory also doesnt incur the insane costs that flags do
scarlet arch
well. pheromones need two things: a decay and an identifier (like.. "danger" or "energy"). And technically you can basically split the colour space into a few specific marker colour combinations, and the rest can be a binary value
real sierra
scarlet arch
yes, and I suspect it's that way to prevent cursed stuff like we're talking about
real sierra
probably
rare bridge
so i wrote a script
real sierra
oh no
scarlet arch
but being able to store 1024 different values in a flag is incredibly useful
real sierra
rare bridge
then changed the code to target random sources
so now i have many creeps
and they are working very hard
rare bridge
... in simulation mode
scarlet arch
given that I don't have a lot of energy/time... is screeps a game I can play "chilling"?
real sierra
you're in the top two screeps players in the server
rare bridge
would those perhaps be the only other 2 screeps players in the server
real sierra
given that I don't have a lot of energy/time... is screeps a game I can play "ch...
i would even say it's best done chilling
at least on the official server, there's a few seconds between game ticks
so any code changes take time to translate into actual game world action
best to check on them, make changes, and then leave them be for a while
scarlet arch
<a:YES:1162976978278809641> i would even say it's best done chilling
nono I mean like.. ya know how I can boot up RimWorld any time, and come back to it whenever, and pause it whenever. that's very chill ya know, even if the gameplay is not most of the time haha. but I worry that with a constant running world I may log back in and come back to everything in ruin
rare bridge
i wonder.. can i send arbritrary emails to myself
real sierra
nono I mean like.. ya know how I can boot up RimWorld any time, and come back to...
even if it is, i dont think thats too bad
the game is very forgiving with your ability to restart
if you die, you just pick a new room and get a spawn there
rare bridge
yeah if you die the game just lets you restart
real sierra
and then your ai does all the work for you
scarlet arch
oh I see
nocturne olive
Very silly game you got there, too bad I'm broke