programming

[stark needle]

(reuploaded)]

so i did a silly thing

here's a version with me actually singing this

why am i doing this

[opaque wharf]

Why indeed...

Why do we program at all...

Reject modernity, return to stone age

[rigid snow]

real voice reveal nowaying

[opaque wharf]

Out of curiosity, what do you guys imagine my voice is like?

[rigid snow]

i don't imagine voices

[opaque wharf]

The whole can you rotate an apple on your mind again

[rigid snow]

no i CAN i'm just saying i don't automatically assign voices to text

[opaque wharf]

Oh I see

[stark needle]

ive been often in vc😭

[rigid snow]

you're using a voice changer to sound like yourself there

also why are you whispering? i'm not about to give you a vocal coaching session but you have to sing louder

[opaque wharf]

So the voice cloner thingy makes your (shad) voice deeper

[rigid snow]

sounds like you're on your deathbed

[olive sable]

The Indonesian vtuber

[stark needle]

i'm not whispering

[olive sable]

I can

[rigid snow]

tehn your voice is just naturally quiet

[stark needle]

my mic is just not a 3000$ mic

and i'm not a professional vocals mixer

[rigid snow]

you can lower the gain on any mic

[olive sable]

He actually just sounds like that, I've played vrc with shadow before

[sage crag]

if anyone is curious this is how i sound
https://youtu.be/CHp9rL8Y6yQ

[rigid snow]

i'm not saying anything about mixing

[real sierra]

[stark needle]

hi shiro

[sage crag]

shr

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

on my way home so I can check on my screeps

[opaque wharf]

Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?

[real sierra]

[broken mirage]

Hello

[real sierra]

[opaque wharf]

What is VRC?

[real sierra]

welcome to the server!

[olive sable]

VR chat

[real sierra]

vrchat

[opaque wharf]

Ahh

[stark needle]

my favorite singer is an indonesian vtuber

[opaque wharf]

Kobokan?

[stark needle]

nuh

[olive sable]

The purple haired girl

[stark needle]

Rachie

[opaque wharf]

I don't even know her lol. Imma check it out first

[olive sable]

No

[rigid snow]

look all i'm saying is he has to try to be louder when singing that's it

[olive sable]

Wait lemme google

[real sierra]

how did you guys get here from a presumably programming topic

[opaque wharf]

Ah, not my taste of music

[opaque wharf]

I wonder indeed

[olive sable]

He would probably sound less high pitched ye, in vrc during fluent Convo he doesn't have that whistly undertone but it's still not as deep as the ai one

[opaque wharf]

[rigid snow]

shadow singing (permaban him for off-topic)

[stark needle]

we started with me posting an actual recording of me singing a song i first made an ai cover with my own voice

[olive sable]

The one fron vshojo

[sage crag]

bwaa wasp in room

[opaque wharf]

VShojo has ID member?

[sage crag]

bwaa

[opaque wharf]

Good. I love chaos

[tender river]

[rigid snow]

wasps are cool

[tender river]

in such cases i normally just leave the room and never come back

[rigid snow]

do you rent another place immediately

[sage crag]

im waiting passively for mr wasp to leave

[tender river]

i stay in another room and hope for the wasp to leave

[rigid snow]

or you know just go on about your day and ignore it, just be a bit cautious

[real sierra]

it's situations like this that drove me to acquire an electric swatter

[olive sable]

Michi mochievee

[opaque wharf]

Michi or Projekt melody is the one that has purple hair

[real sierra]

wasps act like tough shit until they discover 1000V tennis racket

[sage crag]

theres not enough airspace in here for the two of us

[stark needle]

at least it's not a hornet

[olive sable]

Now that you're here shiro

[rigid snow]

are you an aircrafr

[olive sable]

How does the screeps pathfinding work? You said it's expensive

[real sierra]

@rare bridge

[opaque wharf]

Ain't no way I could make a sound that high pitched

[sage crag]

perhaps

[real sierra]

afaik it uses A* with jump point optimization

[rigid snow]

do you by any chance have a prop engine

[sage crag]

no

[olive sable]

Bro I don't even know your gender, and they're my only source of Indonesian accent

[real sierra]

if you look at PathFinder.search in the docs you can see which parameters are customizable

[opaque wharf]

Huh, yeah fair point lol

[rigid snow]

damn sam's theory confirmed prop engines don't exist

[sage crag]

awb

[tender river]

abw

[sage crag]

sort(bwa)

buzzy thing please leave

i will eat you

[real sierra]

I would not suggest eating it

[tender river]

why

[opaque wharf]

I would

[rigid snow]

fry it first

[real sierra]

then the wasp can never leave

[opaque wharf]

Free range protein

[real sierra]

it will be part of you forwver

[opaque wharf]

But it will not fly again

[sage crag]

im more scared of it than it is of me

what's the saying, eat your fears?

[rigid snow]

kid named digestive system:

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

electric swatter is the way

[opaque wharf]

They can smell it

[sage crag]

where did it go

[opaque wharf]

You ate it remember?

[sage crag]

it was hiding

[olive sable]

What if I make my own pathfinder?
I did some schizo ramblings on it before, I even pinged you once iirc.

[sage crag]

not yet

i need it to leave first

[opaque wharf]

Your static voice is attracting them

[sage crag]

bwa

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

wdym what if

[olive sable]

Konii the wasp wisperer

[sage crag]

will it leave if i douse it in perfume

[olive sable]

I mean exactly what I said

[rigid snow]

probably has to make it dynamic ...

[opaque wharf]

Most likely not

[rare bridge]

looking at stuff quickly

[sage crag]

aw

[real sierra]

cloud

[tender river]

it will leave if you spray it with fire

[rare bridge]

i found the source code for screeps

and also server implementations

[sage crag]

i lost it again

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

[opaque wharf]

Yeah the server is open source

[olive sable]

Neurocord screeps server

[rare bridge]

i'll have to try and make it a pterodactyl egg

[olive sable]

A WHAT?

[rigid snow]

nuh uh sam

[opaque wharf]

Container

[real sierra]

🦕

[rare bridge]

you heard me.

[amber fractal]

votes on every landmark containing HBS

[olive sable]

Hmmm

[real sierra]

surely you just download the executable and add it to the rc file

[sage crag]

i have sealed it behind the blinds

[warped narwhal]

After looking at all the options for making a web application I have came to the very logical conclusion that I must invent my own better JS framework which does exactly what I need it to do

[opaque wharf]

I have heard shadow and cloud voice. I imagine Sam's voice are around the same

[olive sable]

Hbs?

[opaque wharf]

oRPC

[real sierra]

RIP another project

[rare bridge]

congratulations, you have joined the long list of js frameworks!

[rare bramble]

new JS framework

[real sierra]

yet another victim of "I don't like round wheels I should invent my own better wheel"

[olive sable]

Should I voice reveal? Idk

[rigid snow]

that'd be offtopic to this channel

[amber fractal]

HBS being Happy Birthday gunshot by Shiro~

[olive sable]

Ahhh

[real sierra]

accurate

[opaque wharf]

It is training data

[rare bramble]

being on topic is off topic for this channel

[real sierra]

training data you say

[sage crag]

highly belligerent shark

[olive sable]

Why is it always your birthday tho?
Is this like a doofenshmirtz situation where none of your parents showed up for your birth?

[real sierra]

time to send a ton of messages mixing the most common English words with random base64 data

train this

[sage crag]

the public perception is what creates truth

[olive sable]

Nuh-uh

[amber fractal]

Actual answer, it is in the pins of #general-network IIRC

[opaque wharf]

Considering Sam track record about bracket. No

[sage crag]

there will always be criminals

that is why we have laws

[olive sable]

Even the pins are questionable

[opaque wharf]

What is laws but the tyranny of the masses

[sage crag]

what are lawbreakers except the hubris of the individual

[tender river]

i will break the law of distributivity, the law means nothing to me

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

chayleaf non associative and non commutative

[tender river]

i'm working on it

[amber fractal]

Took a look myself and it isn't there anymore

[rare bridge]

when getting screeps what exactly am i even buying

[rigid snow]

i wanna imagine somewhere in the future prompting an agent to configure clang-format to use "samvanmaele braces"

[opaque wharf]

A work

[sage crag]

so if i let c denote the binary operation chayleaf under R what am i doing

[amber fractal]

Programming Job, your paying to get hired

[rare bridge]

damn

[real sierra]

access to the main server

[rare bridge]

i mean

i already do that

[opaque wharf]

But in all seriousness, you can host the server without buying the game

[real sierra]

^

[tender river]

konii i'm sorry i don't know what the operation chayleaf does

[sage crag]

that makes two of us

[real sierra]

I personally find screeps worth the miniscule price

[inner pike]

i should maybe get screeps

[rare bridge]

empying my back account

[opaque wharf]

I told you Sam is going to be its own style lol

[sage crag]

what is this serverwide infestation

[amber fractal]

Converts an object into pure types mhm

[tender river]

screeps company go pay shiro

[opaque wharf]

And getting more work in the process. What a 2-in-1 deal right

[amber fractal]

me when

[broken mirage]

Most of agents are Python based and only few unnoticed C-Lang trained models I think

[sage crag]

are we sure shr isnt sponsored by screeps

[tender river]

we are not

[amber fractal]

yet

[inner pike]

Screeps world, right ?

[broken mirage]

So I don't think they'll understand C even if it's a prompt

[olive sable]

I am very particular about what I like, and I will not adhere to the public shaming of people who don't conforme

[opaque wharf]

Nay, code styles should be autoformatted

[olive sable]

🔥

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[real sierra]

yes

[olive sable]

I'm excited to play when I'm home

Kinda sad I'll miss the server opening

[inner pike]

bought it

[real sierra]

W

[rigid snow]

what? i mean, like, i wanna imagine that an llm in the future will know that "samvanmaele brackets" refers to allman-style braces, because this is a discoverable discord server which llms are known to scrape, so it isn't impossible

[rare bridge]

bro thinks i'll have it done today

[real sierra]

[inner pike]

so wait do you have your own server or are you playing on the main server shiro ?

i am confused

[real sierra]

I'm on the main server

waiting for cloud to make a private one

[inner pike]

Ah

[amber fractal]

Yippie!

[rare bridge]

i'mma join the main server and find you

[olive sable]

I'll be home next Friday. So it will take a while for me to be back

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

[rare bridge]

damn server done already

[real sierra]

[real sierra]

ok gimme the connection details

[inner pike]

lmaooooo

[real sierra]

I'm home in 10

[inner pike]

days ? years ? minutes ? Seconds ?

[real sierra]

apples

[olive sable]

I'm not home

[inner pike]

Ah gotcha

[inner pike]

hi not home

[olive sable]

Wait I have my laptop with me

[amber fractal]

I'm not going to be hone

[real sierra]

bro forgot he has a laptop

[olive sable]

Gimme time to install

[opaque wharf]

Hi have my laptop with me

[real sierra]

"install" it's a Browser wrapper

[opaque wharf]

Be Fr*nch?

[olive sable]

I'm going to go to Indonesia and smack you in particular

[amber fractal]

True, why didn't I think of the Fr*nch?

[inner pike]

okay so how do we even join the server

[amber fractal]

Wait for cloud to finish port forwarding probs

[olive sable]

I hope it isn't ping dependant lmao

[opaque wharf]

It shouldn't

All the code runs on the server

Basically jank cloudflare worker

[amber fractal]

It plays itself automatically so double not a problem

[opaque wharf]

Or amazon lambda or whatever they call it

[nocturne olive]

Whar's the silliness here?

[rough bloom]

once the server exists you just enter the IP/hostname and the port and that should be it
apparently you can also have a server password but that didn't work for me when I tried it

[olive sable]

Bro that's faster than my home network lmao

[amber fractal]

Screeps server inbound

[opaque wharf]

We will be doing CTF on cloud screep server

[nocturne olive]

Interesting silliness
I have no clue how that's gonna work but cool

[inner pike]

gotcha

[olive sable]

How does one join a private server?

[inner pike]

sam

look at the message i replied to

[olive sable]

Yes

Ah

[nocturne olive]

From what I heard about the game it's cool
But is it expensive? Because I'm broke after that 3090

[olive sable]

ap123456

[opaque wharf]

Bout three fiddy

[rough bloom]

hunter2

[inner pike]

its 7,50€ rn

[nocturne olive]

Well, I have nothing

[opaque wharf]

Shiro

[real sierra]

hi

[opaque wharf]

You know what to do

[real sierra]

?

[inner pike]

I will surround shiro with bots that only say "HBD"

[opaque wharf]

Superbox wanted to play screeps

[olive sable]

I was trying to log into the wifi with my tablets keyboard cuz i put my tablet on the laptop

[inner pike]

OH

i was so confused what that message was about

LOL

[amber fractal]

Perfect

[real sierra]

excellent

they should try the free demo you can play on the website

[amber fractal]

I'll be downloading tonight

[inner pike]

"War Thunder" my Condolences

[opaque wharf]

War Thunder

[amber fractal]

something something national holiday abour british

[olive sable]

Ive only actually played it twice lmao. Its just there idk why

[inner pike]

Brawlhalla holy shit

i havent heard of the game in years

[olive sable]

The belgian holiday is on the 21st, and my birthday on the 22nd

[nocturne olive]

I guess continue your silliness
I'll think about things in a couple months when I'm not broke

[rigid snow]

very inconspicuous steam account

[olive sable]

Thank

I put it on private iirc

[inner pike]

Why do you not have download speed displayed in mb/s ?

[rigid snow]

my argument that steam accounts aren't PII is ruined thx

[olive sable]

Cuz why not?

[olive sable]

Wdym???

[inner pike]

You can make it display as mb/s instead

steam settings

[nocturne olive]

(it may take longer than a couple months, I don't even know)

[inner pike]

download

and then uncheck "Display download rates in bits per second"

[rigid snow]

it's as megabit per second, they're asking why you haven't set it to megabytes per second

[olive sable]

You mean MB cuz rn im on Mb???

[inner pike]

yes

[opaque wharf]

Also kilo vs kibi

[olive sable]

I dont care about MB, i just do /8

[rigid snow]

idk i understand bps better too when referring to speed

[real sierra]

all of my units died

[inner pike]

what did you do

[olive sable]

So ig we're waiting on cloudburst rn?

[inner pike]

Yes

i think

[inner pike]

did you get attacked shiro ?

[real sierra]

oh

[opaque wharf]

Nah, it won't be done today

[real sierra]

i broke the spawning code

with a bad assumption

[opaque wharf]

Cloud still needs to run the server without steam

[olive sable]

Im down to play like an hour or 2, but i need to checkout from the hotel in 11 hours

[inner pike]

lets just ask if its gonna be done today or not

[opaque wharf]

Unless cloud make the pterodactyl egg with steam inside

[inner pike]

@rare bridge Do you think you will be able to get the server done today or tomorrow ?

[broken mirage]

I see

[tender geode]

Have
A
Pretty...
Pretty Good...
You know what?
Blast it,
I can't think of anything.
ROFL
Though I remain ever-thinking
Happy to be of service
Duck-sama wishes you
A very nice day
You
Should believe it
Hell, through thick and thin,
I Shall
Remain
Optimistic

[olive sable]

We have a ROFL user

Rawr xd

[real sierra]

insanely high effort

(still not my birthday though)

[tender geode]

c:

I figured a high-quality birthday shitpost would go over a bit better.

[broken mirage]

Are you one of the VTuber?

[olive sable]

Is shiro?

I know vanor streams

[real sierra]

[inner pike]

shiro used to stream

https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Shiro_Nya

[olive sable]

Its always when im at school or asleep so i cant watch

[broken mirage]

Yeah I noticed

[broken mirage]

Whew nice to meet you, could you tell me tips, my friend is about to start VTubing too, we're on brainstorming

[olive sable]

"Is" but apparently he stopped if mm reading the room correctly?

[broken mirage]

Had created Live2D model and Vroid, still deciding which one to use

[inner pike]

idk when the last time he streamed was

[real sierra]

people talking about me like im not right here

[broken mirage]

I was asking you

[rare bridge]

depends, we'll see

[opaque wharf]

Cuz you're so focused on screeps

[real sierra]

i have no tips

i did it by accident

[broken mirage]

Thank you, noted

[inner pike]

goddammit that awnser does not help me at all

[broken mirage]

Ahh so this is the secret formula

[inner pike]

well i thought you were going to awnser, but then didnt

[real sierra]

i still dont have an answer

and i also feel awkward discussing it in another streamer's server

[broken mirage]

He's talking about awnser, not answer

Do you have awnser

[real sierra]

feels rude to me

[inner pike]

fair enough

thats understandable

[broken mirage]

Sorry for asking

[olive sable]

Time for a coup d'etat.
#programming is taking over

[real sierra]

gl with that

you cant even order screeps around, nevermind a channel

[opaque wharf]

Can you?

[inner pike]

we can surround your base with screeps that spam "HBD"

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

This is my first time launching the game lmao

[amber fractal]

We are not so hyperfocused on screeps we can summon manpower

[broken mirage]

You made a game?

[olive sable]

Screeps is not my game lmao

But i have made games

[rare bridge]

your steam friend code

[broken mirage]

Unity/other engine?

[olive sable]

We all need to be friends with cloudburst on steam?

[opaque wharf]

Sam Game Engine CPP

[olive sable]

None

[broken mirage]

Ohh I see

[real sierra]

my brain is hurting

[inner pike]

Huh, i never added cloudburst as a friend on steam

[rigid snow]

sam made screeps

[olive sable]

The only actually released games run in python. The cpp one is new

[broken mirage]

c++ quite robust algorithm, it's a mere genius creating a game out of it

[rare bridge]

shiro dm me your steam friend code rn

[amber fractal]

Note to self, dm cloud steam friend code leter

[real sierra]

friends

[inner pike]

Cloudburst do we need to be friends with you to join the server or no ?

[opaque wharf]

I... I don't need to send you one do I?

[rare bridge]

no

[olive sable]

So its only for shiro ig

[rare bridge]

you just need to know my p address

[opaque wharf]

P address sounds wrong ngl

[real sierra]

p(hysical) address

[inner pike]

[rare bridge]

lan server

[real sierra]

which adapter do i connect to

[olive sable]

Does it?
Im too sober for this

[real sierra]

eth0?

[broken mirage]

Are you the same person that appears on Markiplier dingle dangle meme?

[rare bridge]

wg0 but you can't talk to anyone while playing

[broken mirage]

There's a lot of VTubers in programming

[olive sable]

Isnt that supposed to be how it works?

[real sierra]

good, it'll keep me from doing score-limiting actions like dropping my entire source code in a discord channel full of competitors

[olive sable]

Like i need your code anyways

[real sierra]

ok my head hurts

so

i figure out the max spawning budget

[olive sable]

You will seath the power of my raw unfiltered autism

[real sierra]

based on if i have logistics creeps able to refill the spawner

but

[broken mirage]

No doubt for it

[real sierra]

i determine if i have those creeps based on if any are in the queue and are affordable

but to be affordable they have to cost less than the max spawning budget

[olive sable]

First need to figure out the game tho

[broken mirage]

First time seeing someone made a game from C++

The raw lang I did is Java

[olive sable]

Is it? Its quite common no?

I feel like python webgl is way more controversial and interesting

[rare bridge]

@real sierra accept it

[opaque wharf]

Most people use game engine when developing games

[amber fractal]

I know it is mostly JVM/C# or Crab

[broken mirage]

I made some experimental games using Unity with C#

[olive sable]

You mean most losers

[broken mirage]

emotional damage

[rare bridge]

y'all use game engines?

nahh boring

[real sierra]

thank you, i almost missed the comment on my profile calling me nightmare incarnate

[olive sable]

Nope

[rare bridge]

program everything yourself

[olive sable]

I did

[real sierra]

the screeps console renders arbitrary html content

[broken mirage]

I made C# Scripts tho

[inner pike]

what about the game jam

[broken mirage]

Just need a little bit of UI support

[rare bridge]

oh cool they don't defend again xxs

[amber fractal]

I tired to be a loser, but my laptop prevented it by lagging godot out existance. It was nevef meant to be

[broken mirage]

And libraries

[real sierra]

i figure the console probably runs locally

[amber fractal]

I also only code from ground up, including game jam

[opaque wharf]

Why would it need xss? Isn't the console only for you?

[real sierra]

but yeah i tried creating an html form in my console once

it worked

clicked the submit button

game had a stroke

[opaque wharf]

As in, the console can't accept input from any other source

[real sierra]

[rare bridge]

omw to surround shiro's area with <script>const fs = require("fs"); fs.writeFileSync("~/Desktop", "happy birthday");</script>

your desktop becomes happy birthday

[inner pike]

Fuck yeah

[real sierra]

[rare bridge]

because i forgot to put an actual file name there

[olive sable]

self promotion to a mod surely cant go wrong
anyways this is all without a game-engine https://igglybuff-ever.itch.io/a-neuro-who-cant-sing

[amber fractal]

[real sierra]

i tried making a multiplayer game without an engine once

[rare bridge]

mod is a demotion

[real sierra]

...in java

[broken mirage]

Cool

[broken mirage]

All I ever did in Java was Tetris

[real sierra]

i actually had this genius sync object generic class that would wrap a normal object and its methods using reflection and auto-replicate changes to all clients

[inner pike]

oh dear god

my condolences

[rare bridge]

shiro obviously perished that day

[inner pike]

yeah

[olive sable]

even i know you#re better of with python than java

[rare bridge]

which is why their birthday is every day

[inner pike]

but then got reborn due to it being his birthday

[broken mirage]

Python is gud

[olive sable]

but slow

and actually bad

[broken mirage]

That's why I'm relying on engined

[rigid snow]

Error: EISDIR: illegal operation on a directory, open '~/Desktop'

[amber fractal]

not when I post code to this channel

[broken mirage]

Engines

[olive sable]

i wish python with types existed.
oh wait, C++

[real sierra]

"hmm today i think i'll try to write my python in some kind of efficient fast way"
the GIL:

[opaque wharf]

They still haven't solved the GIL yet?

[real sierra]

its a wont fix i think

[broken mirage]

I can handle C# but C++ gave me brainstroke

[real sierra]

multiprocess or suffer

eat the pipe pickle overhead

[amber fractal]

There is a flag for it now

[olive sable]

i managed to get 4000 fps by relying heavily on imports and the gpu. but it kinda stops there

[real sierra]

no shot

[olive sable]

there is

you need to disable gil on install tho

[real sierra]

obviously unacceptable, how can you play somewthing with that kind of slideshow fps

[broken mirage]

4000FPS on console or on render?

[olive sable]

1080p rendering

[rigid snow]

4k fps tui

[broken mirage]

Oh yeah sory

[rare bridge]

alright, now the most important question for screeps

can i run doom.

[opaque wharf]

Yes you can

[olive sable]

4000fp sis unnaceptable, so i switched to C++ still with opengl.
there i got limited to 6K fps cuz opengl was using 70% of cpu on swappig buffers.
6000fps is also unplayable so im now going to vulkan

[amber fractal]

6900 fps when

[rare bridge]

6000fps is literally unplayable

write your own rendering engine

[olive sable]

when vulkan is done we're probably going to 5 digits immediatly, so no 6900fps unless i throtle performance

[rigid snow]

why stop there, design your own gpu

[rare bramble]

oh, when I try and open screeps world it does nothing, though a microsoft edge sessions starts in the background?

[broken mirage]

These bros are scary

My PC can't even handle 4000FPS

[opaque wharf]

You sure its not a crypto miner?

[rare bramble]

no

[olive sable]

this is all in 3090 + 5950x terms tho, the 6000fps engine could probably do 6900fps on a faster single core score cpu

[olive sable]

you think it cant, but actually it can

[stray dragon]

the monitor can't

the computer can

[olive sable]

if you dont swap buffers you cant see shit, but you also save 70% cpu usage

[rigid snow]

my pc can't, the cpu runs at 3khz

[olive sable]

fake mews

[rigid snow]

mews

[amber fractal]

Imagine if sam had tearing in the engine, unplayable

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

that want a typo, i just like saying fake mews

[rigid snow]

i don't care if it is, mews

[olive sable]

origin of fake mews

[rigid snow]

ifunny watermark

[olive sable]

ye...

[amber fractal]

death to the meme

[opaque wharf]

Speaking of memes
https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1390364673571950642

[olive sable]

this is what happens when you try to screenrecord for some reason. the cpu is not having it ig

[inner pike]

your pc cant handle a minecraft server (aslong as you are not on vacation)

Aslong as you are on vacation your mc server works perfectly fine

[stray dragon]

you say that, but:

[inner pike]

its still funny how the moment you come back from vacation, the issues came back aswell

[stray dragon]

i've changed literally nothing

sometimes it just decides it hates me

[inner pike]

your mere presence made the server destroy itself

[stray dragon]

and crashes 3 times in a day

haunted pc

[inner pike]

your server killed itself because of you

How does it feel to be responsible for the death of a poor innocent server

[stray dragon]

i only had to do a bit of surgery on it that one time

it's fiiiiine

[olive sable]

so we aren't allowed to post or screeps code?

[stray dragon]

what

[inner pike]

we are all planning on playing Screeps

Cloudburst is working on a server

[olive sable]

we love sreeps

[amber fractal]

Cloud is making private server and enforcing rules

[inner pike]

@stray dragon https://store.steampowered.com/app/464350/Screeps_World/

Steam

Screeps: World

Screeps: World is an open source MMO RTS sandbox game. With all the attributes of a full-fledged strategy game, you control your colony by writing script that operates 24/7 in the single persistent open world filled by other players on par with you.

Your colony can harvest resources, build units, conquer territory, trade with other colonies.…

Price

$7.49

Recommendations

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[olive sable]

i wish cloud was faster bwaa

[amber fractal]

bwaa

[stray dragon]

oh i didn't see that "or" was a typo of "our"

[olive sable]

im not used to typing on qwertzuiop

but my latop is

cuy it was 200 cheaper

[rare bramble]

yeah, screeps world just launches bunch of nwjs tasks in the background but doesnt show up... :/
time to debug

[rigid snow]

do you not touch type? fake programmer smhhhh

[amber fractal]

It'd work fine with other games as you just need to log in every once in awhile and see your script fail (Case and point Shiro~)

[inner pike]

[real sierra]

im lucky i logged in to fix this bug

[olive sable]

first of all i dont
seondly the layout is diffrent so i couldnt even if i could do nr.1

[real sierra]

some of my structures are degrading to nothing

[amber fractal]

Can't you go into windows layout settings?

[real sierra]

because all my builders died

[rigid snow]

surely it's just the european kb layout

the one with the short left shift key

[broken mirage]

That's bad

[real sierra]

yeah

dumb mistake on my part

[olive sable]

my pc keyboard is US qwerty

[amber fractal]

ISO keyboard :RAGEY:

[broken mirage]

Absolute Nightmare

[real sierra]

i was comparing the total amount of each role in the spawn queue against the limit, instead of the affordable amount in the queue

[olive sable]

if cloudburst doesnt get the server up in an hour imma need to go to bed

[rare bramble]

huh? if I launch the exe, it opens up fine

[rare bridge]

it'll be tomorrow

[broken mirage]

Whew

[olive sable]

fuck

[broken mirage]

Go to bed

[real sierra]

[broken mirage]

Night night

[rare bramble]

but opening it in steam is broken?

[rare bridge]

i wanna learn the game first if that's

[real sierra]

HOLY

do you know how rare it is for people to actually PLAY this game

[amber fractal]

Can't let Shiro~ overrun the server smh

[olive sable]

i was plannig on jumping in blind but sure i can do a training arc

[real sierra]

about 6 people in here have discussed modifying the game files or creating some kind of build tool

[rigid snow]

the only difference between ansi and iso is that the backslash is moved from above the enter key to the right of the left shift...

it's still the same keyboard

[rare bridge]

i think i understand the game

[olive sable]

that was a short training arc lmao

[rare bridge]

time to make code that automates everything all at once

[real sierra]

i think the game is very clever with the rts apsects it chose to implement

they make for very granular but progressive problems

[rare bridge]

including invading other people's plots

[amber fractal]

I've been wanting to play a game with a decent automation system after finishing Antimatter Dimensions.

[real sierra]

good luck with that

[broken mirage]

I modified Hearts of Iron 4 once

Quite easy

[real sierra]

hoi4

[broken mirage]

Yes

[rare bridge]

finding a vuln dw

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

my plan is to spend a lot of time microoptemizing making me fall behind in the tech tree and die

[rough bloom]

my ClojureScript -- Closure Compiler --> ES modules -- Webpack --> CommonJS bundle build pipeline is working great

[olive sable]

disocrd and screeps dont want to share screenspace on mz laptop bwaa

[amber fractal]

Still my #1 reason to using tilling window managers, just keybind to switch it all

[olive sable]

zoomed out, everythin is so small now

trainig arc will be on official server then i gues?

[rare bridge]

i softlocked my game

[olive sable]

great

[real sierra]

the compiled code in question:

/*
CommonJS build 2024.8.33 v1.26
This build is distributed AS-IS and
WITHOUT WARRANTY. All rights reserved.
You can find the full terms of use
here: https://common-js.com/terms

Encounter an issue? Please submit it
to our GitHub public bug tracker!

Looking to develop for us? We're hiring:
https://common-js.com/apply
*/
console.log("Hello World!");

[olive sable]

wait the game has a buil tin tutorial

[rough bloom]

you can launch a private server from Steam too
I don't think that allows uploads of wasm bundles as easily but it should work for writing JS as intended

[olive sable]

lemme play that

[warped narwhal]

Incredible performance

Also, since when were async traits allowed in rust? I thought the whole point of crates like "async-trait" were because they weren't?

[rough bloom]

6 functions btw

[amber fractal]

I'm pretty sure it is called wait until upstream does it

[real sierra]

it's crumbling...

[rough bloom]

since like the last release I think
it's very new

[real sierra]

my ramparts are withering away due to lack of maintenance...

[rare bridge]

shiro it's so over

[real sierra]

[tender river]

since like a year ago

[inner pike]

https://youtu.be/I-sH53vXP2A?si=Hzaq0vlVkxQ9ETNh

[rare bridge]

anyway when i start the neurocord server i'll start developing the swarm

[inner pike]

( I had to make a stupid joke like this )

[real sierra]

i used to ruuuuule the world

[gritty dust]

Peak

[inner pike]

god i remember the song so well

[gritty dust]

sameee

[olive sable]

wait im gonna need to learn whatver language this is, and the game#s api

fucccccccckkk

[inner pike]

javascript

[rigid snow]

sam, js is kinda like python but c

[rough bloom]

oh yeah, you're right, they've been been stable for a while
I confused it with async closures

[amber fractal]

The "never can fail" lanuage

[gritty dust]

that was the peak of minecraft

[real sierra]

its like if you wrote python with java syntax

[rare bridge]

it's basically

python

but some fucker decided to call it javascript

despite it having nothing to do with java

[olive sable]

the plceolder code has wrong brackets bwaaaa

[rigid snow]

with braces sam you can do your brace shit here

[rough bloom]

Python except slightly different syntax and much less convenient

[inner pike]

Java and javascript are like car and carpet

[rare bridge]

you put carpet in a car, incorrect analogy

they're like cars and coal

[rigid snow]

car and carriage

[inner pike]

Carriage is just a older car

[rigid snow]

right

but no

eh

[real sierra]

const

let

var

[olive sable]

um

[rigid snow]

no "use strict" and x =

[gritty dust]

dont view memory I guess lol

[olive sable]

the 2 human actions

[inner pike]

[olive sable]

fair automod

lmao

i blame shiro tho

[real sierra]

[rigid snow]

usually the human brain decides to do the first one anyways right before the second one

[olive sable]

the pipeline

creep: has just been born
game: It is time to put the creep to work!

[inner pike]

the children yearn for the mines sam

[broken mirage]

If our memory got transferred into a PC are we just dead and the one's on the PC is just something thinking it's us? Idk just random thoughts

[rigid snow]

that's how creeps are, spawned to die shortly after, doing what they were made for

[cerulean dirge]

yes

[broken mirage]

Whew

What an irony

[cerulean dirge]

this is a clever meme

[olive sable]

it will look like the first one from one perspective

just not ours

good to know screeps can cut corners

[real sierra]

two creeps can also pass each other if they try to move to each other's tiles simultaneously

[olive sable]

i keep calling them screeps eventhoug theyre creeps

[inner pike]

did cloudburst say anything about when the server will be up ?

[olive sable]

tomorow apparently

[real sierra]

the s stands for scripted so they are screeps

[olive sable]

training arc first or whatever

im still on vacation tho

[inner pike]

oh lol

im gonna be going in completely blind

[real sierra]

this is only my second real attempt at this game

and its going well enough

[inner pike]

wait are you already playing on cloudburst server shiro ?

[amber fractal]

I love being blind so I'll be going in blind after the tutorial

[rough bloom]

new game plus already

[real sierra]

there's plastic falling off the bottom of my chair

i wasnt worried about it until now

[amber fractal]

NG+

[real sierra]

but i just had a mental image of a gas cylinder incident

[olive sable]

@rare bridge if you want to extend the training arc to friday next week i wont mind

[inner pike]

Shiro ?

[real sierra]

and now im super worried

[broken mirage]

Don't be

[real sierra]

there is no cloudburst server yet

im on official server

[inner pike]

ah okay

you are basically starting over since you fucked up your code, right ?

ping me once the server is up i guess

[amber fractal]

React to this msg with 🎂 to get pinged for the server

[rigid snow]

[real sierra]

[amber fractal]

[rough bloom]

yeah, gas cylinders are scary
though I don't think those could be caused by damage to plastic on the chair, and happen more because of damage to the cylinder itself

[real sierra]

im still so proud of my wall algorithm in this game

(it barely works)

but i think the general idea is genius

[olive sable]

all this code is bad

not a single newline bracket in sight

damn you tutorial

[rough bloom]

surely it's just the tutorial

[cerulean dirge]

what's so good about newline brackets

[real sierra]

it is

the actual game doesnt give you any starter code

[rough bloom]

true, probably won't see much more code like that in the game itself

[olive sable]

in my personal opinion, they'r goated

[real sierra]

wait

do you mean

function w()
{
  // code here
}

like that

[olive sable]

yes

[real sierra]

unfriending

[cerulean dirge]

[olive sable]

i wont stand for this slander

[olive sable]

allman is my homie

[real sierra]

your bracketing style is passable

but im kernighan

all the way

[ruby timber]

REAL

[inner pike]

ew

that looks so weird though

[cerulean dirge]

oh THIS is fucking AWFUL

[real sierra]

????????????????

[amber fractal]

Haskell is a real disorder

[rough bloom]

same, K&R is the way to go
it's the standard for, like, every language with brackets other than C and C++ anyway
(and for C(++) it's only a choice because the ecosystem is too fragmented to decide on anything)

[real sierra]

i dont like how allman detatches the control statement from its associated code

it lowers readability

[cerulean dirge]

true

[real sierra]

and inflates line count

[olive sable]

it is... acceptable...
just dont ever steal my code, reformat it, and pr to my repo. im still mad at mlntcandy for that

[real sierra]

mlnt

[olive sable]

mlnt can go fuck off

[inner pike]

wait i dont remember actually how i code

[real sierra]

i like the thought of programming having random beef between bracketing formats

[inner pike]

lemme check

[olive sable]

to me it makes it more clear what part is code and what part is function formailities

[real sierra]

where once in a while someone randomly posts a meme shitting on the format they dont use

[cerulean dirge]

do you guys var x = 1 or var x=1

[real sierra]

first

always

[rough bloom]

it usually happens quite often, but right now we're having a break because Sam is on vacation and has stopped posting his code for the time being

[cerulean dirge]

good

[amber fractal]

I'm on Kernighan, Hamburger, and Horstmann depending on what it is

[inner pike]

i havent coded in like 5 days and ive already forgotten how i do it

[cerulean dirge]

my parallel programming professor does the latter

[olive sable]

i already had an entire crashout about this before lmao. i actually left the server over it for a night so they would leave me alone

[real sierra]

horstmann is a crime

wtf is hamburger

[cerulean dirge]

based on the name

[real sierra]

maybe we shouldnt do this after all

[inner pike]

Haskell is a warcrime

[cerulean dirge]

i would think something like if (true) { single_line_of_code(); }

[amber fractal]

if (1!=1) {func1(); func2();} is how I do it

warcrime

[real sierra]

why the braces...

[inner pike]

okay im allman

[real sierra]

oh

in your case you nee-

[real sierra]

[rough bloom]

they should make all compilers automatically format the input files, no configuration options
clearly anything else is irresponsible

[amber fractal]

if it is in a defention I'll switch to 2️⃣

[inner pike]

thats actually insane

[real sierra]

oh dear god

what happened to the image

[cerulean dirge]

wouldn't most use cases of = be for definitions though

what other case is there

[real sierra]

my meme

[olive sable]

i had to read an entire twitlonger for th pr, and another one for the reponse

[rare bramble]

make it like python. not correctly formatted / indented? error.

[inner pike]

holy shit

[rigid snow]

[amber fractal]

mods killed the meme

[cerulean dirge]

i will find whoever made indentation part of python's syntax

[rough bloom]

kinda sucks that it's whitespace-sensitive in the first place, but yes, that's a good side effect of it

[amber fractal]

Tabs + Spaces error:

[rare bramble]

ye, i agree that's pretty bad

[olive sable]

i will die on the hill of using allman.
i wish collapsing the function would hide the brackets tho

[real sierra]

you used single quotes instead of double quotes. formatting hard drive...

[rigid snow]

whyyyy?\

[cerulean dirge]

is it weird to use braces for if statements with only one line of code inside

[olive sable]

no?

[rigid snow]

yes

[amber fractal]

I wish I could avoid it tbh

[olive sable]

well fuck yo

[cerulean dirge]

i like to do it because it makes it easier to change them from single-line to multi-line if needed

[amber fractal]

dink donk new question

[olive sable]

i dont give a damn about mlnt's opinion anymore since the pr

[rigid snow]

if (wrong) return; my beloved

[amber fractal]

single or double quotea by default in langs that support interchangable

[rough bloom]

I don't think so
the exception where you don't need brackets for single-line if-statements is weird

[olive sable]

now i see why you dont use allman, you're just a stinky rotten dirty bracket hater

[real sierra]

whichever i feel like at the time

[opaque sigil]

This is how we ended up with c++ lambdas

[real sierra]

i usually end up using " for some reason, despite the fact that ' needs fewer key presses

[olive sable]

i like "

[real sierra]

i wouldnt call it weird

but like

[opaque sigil]

I default to " to be able to use ' inside without any escaping

[real sierra]

braces on a single line doesnt have any semantic or functional purpose if it contains a single statement

[amber fractal]

I like " as well, but will do ' just to be chaotic.

[real sierra]

and expanding that to the full 2 (or 3) extra lines seems wasteful

[rigid snow]

`hell yeah`

[real sierra]

so i never include the {} in those situations

[cerulean dirge]

true; i just find that it makes it easier to change them from single-line to multi-line if they already have the braces present

[rough bloom]

JS template literals

[rigid snow]

fast quotes

[olive sable]

do all the screeps use the same script file?

[real sierra]

wdym

[olive sable]

i expected to hve a diffrent script in the screeps than the room fr some reason

[real sierra]

idk what you mean by screeps "using" a script file

your code executes globally

[rigid snow]

const s = String.raw`\n\r\t lmao`;

[amber fractal]

script per screep instead of shared script

[real sierra]

if you want work to be done on a per-room or per-creep basis, you gotta write that functionality

[amber fractal]

I love using python os.fork() logic for screeps

[real sierra]

but yeah i mean

your main module is loaded and executed once a tick

thats all the game does for you

any other functionality you do yourself

[opaque sigil]

i wish they never added this purely due to having to deal with people thinking sql injection happens every time someone makes a sql function

[olive sable]

Now let's improve our code by taking the workers' behavior out into a separate module. oooo ok

[amber fractal]

Injecting safe code into SQL mhm

[real sierra]

screeps devs seeing me welcome my newest creep, ; DROP TABLE Users; --, to the world

[amber fractal]

OOP

[real sierra]

[amber fractal]

Jokes aside, it'll be interesting to see how it plays out

[real sierra]

you do get multiple modules

to organize your code

but they're basically #includes from C

[opaque sigil]

oh god i can already see the inheritance tree

[amber fractal]

I can as well

[real sierra]

well actually i guess its more like an exec(module);

[olive sable]

screep devs seeing me spawn in "shitminer4" 🥹

[rigid snow]

are you referring to exactly this by any chance?

[amber fractal]

Python inheritance method, run the module

[real sierra]

but i think modules that you require() in are cached

[rough bloom]

they're like Python imports

[opaque sigil]

yeah

[real sierra]

wtf is my colony doing

everyone died again

why

[olive sable]

again

[real sierra]

why is the spawn queue empty

[olive sable]

reocurring patern lmao

[real sierra]

there are no units HELLO

SPAWN SOMETHING?

BRO

...oh

that'd do it

[opaque sigil]

[real sierra]

fixed

i should've noticed that way sooner

back to being broke

[real sierra]

flaws in the spawning system

this is the first time ive really been able to spawn units of higher cost en masse

so it's exposing some weaknesses in my assumptions

this person next to me

[amber fractal]

Sending your coords to cloud rn

[real sierra]

that's in-room position

my username is plastered on my room anyway its not like im hiding

nope i broke the spawning system in the opposite way now

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

ok im just gonna have to trust my screeps are fine now

ill let them simmer for a few hrs

[uneven pulsar]

{this ;
 is ;
 fine ;
}```

[rigid snow]

smh not foo bar baz qux

[cerulean dirge]

    indent()
    {
i;
love;
programming;
    {

[fast pagoda]

never used durable objects on cloudflare before and it turns out if u load something into memory and then keep a session connected via websocket 24/7 you will burn usage sooo fast LULE

[uneven pulsar]

    {
 i
;love
;programming
;
    }```

[fast pagoda]

storing one(1) 2-4 mb file KEK

[rare bridge]

ok back to screeps what did i miss

[rare bramble]

got Rust working in Screeps world!

[olive sable]

im doing he tutorial, and shiro did a couple more mass murders on his colony

[rare bridge]

guess we're all switching to rust

[amber fractal]

bwaa, have to learn rust properly

[real sierra]

they did it themselves

spawner was like

what if i spawned nothing?

[olive sable]

sure...

[real sierra]

and then i cleared the spawn queue and told it to try again

and it was like

oops

[amber fractal]

I don't want to be in a party right now, I want to get ahead on screeps before the server opens

[rare bridge]

discord why do i have the overlay

[rigid snow]

;;;;if(code.appearance == BAD){;;;;
;;;;;;;;applySemiBomb(code);;;;;;;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

[amber fractal]

[rigid snow]

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

cloudburst watch out

for some reason, all screeps invaders are busted

as in

really strong

[warped narwhal]

https has now been implemented

[rare bridge]

http in screep

gonna do that

[rigid snow]

implementing https yourself is... interesting

an interesting move, i mean

[rare bramble]

tldr on how to use rust in Screeps world: (at least it worked for me)

• go to https://github.com/rustyscreeps/screeps-starter-rust
• clone the repo into a folder
• read and follow readme until you have made the .screeps.yaml file
• go to https://screeps.com/a/#!/account/auth-tokens and generate a full access auth token
  (I tried one with websockets only but that didnt work, at least full access works)
• put the auth token in the .screeps.yaml. token: (place auth token here)
• go to screeps website and create a base in a tile of your choosing
• run the npm run deploy -- --server mmo and it should automatically upload it to the correct place and auto deploy to the server

[warped narwhal]

it's simpler than it sounds (kind of), you just need to wrap your http server with a tls listener, the problem is getting the certs, which I got cause of my domain.

[rigid snow]

nobody does that in prod even, everyone uses a reverse proxy anyways.....

[olive sable]

i did the first one

im gonna go sleep now

[real sierra]

gn sammmm

[olive sable]

or after im done with a convo elsewhere at least

[amber fractal]

@rare bridge can you validate this works

[rare bridge]

no i don't wanna deal with rust today

[olive sable]

We should get vanor to play

It would be funny to get the whole mod team on

[amber fractal]

All programming mods

[rough bloom]

it should work on the public server exactly as that says
private servers AFAIK don't have a way of getting an auth token like that and would need to rely on screepsmod-auth

[rare bridge]

vedal join pls

[olive sable]

@safe path you in?

[real sierra]

i must make full use of my head start as it is my only advantage over my peers

[rare bramble]

@ come to play screeps with us

[safe path]

what

oh

i will consider

[real sierra]

it would be fun vanor

[olive sable]

Ved can join if he wants, but he shouldnt expect me to go easy on him

[real sierra]

im having so much fun with screeps

i would love to play with friends

like you!

it very low commitment because its asynchronous gameplay

fun coding game with deep mechanics

you would be good at it

[olive sable]

Anyone who stands in my way shall feel the force of my autism

[olive sable]

I am curious, do the mods actually play games with him?

[rare bridge]

you think he has time to play games these days?

[olive sable]

He was offline for 6 months

Idk what he was doing all day

You would know a lot better than me

[real sierra]

you would think

[rare bridge]

cooking if the had anything to say about it

[olive sable]

Where is the @ mr tutel man emote when you need it?

[rare bridge]

gonna write a massive program that handles everything xdx

[rare bramble]

one reason I really want to use rust over typescript is that I'm planning on making basically everything a state machine, the whole base will be a state machine of state machines

also rust ❤️

[rare bridge]

i'mma go overkill and write wrappers for the entire api

@real sierra for no reason in particular can you leak your code