programming

[real sierra]

[scarlet arch]

[minor crag]

I have figured out ethical anti piracy

I just encrypt all my games assets (llm, images, audio) and the encryption key is the persons steam ID

[rigid snow]

what

[minor crag]

If you share a copy it of the game you are also sharing your steam id

[rigid snow]

but everyone has different steamids

[minor crag]

Yea

[real sierra]

i think the point is

well wait

[rigid snow]

burner accounts?

[real sierra]

no this still doesnt make sense

if the idea was so you could figure out who leaked it if it gets leaked

why wouldnt you just decrypt the game with your steamid and then post the decrypted files online

instead of the encrypted ones and the key

[rigid snow]

also you can't serve a different bundle to every user afaik

[rigid snow]

i have like 4 steam accounts

[minor crag]

You'd need to grab decrypted assets from memory

Patch out the steam Id check thingy

And patch out the decryption thingy

[real sierra]

can you not decrypt it on disk

are you baking all your assets into the executable or something

[minor crag]

That's already the idea but its possible to get those assets

[real sierra]

why would i use your launcher to decrypt it when i can do it myself

[rigid snow]

i think the point is that they are encrypted on disk and get decrypted when loading into memory

[real sierra]

but why would i use your loader at all if i have the key and know the encryption

[minor crag]

Ye

[real sierra]

id just use an external tool i make myself

and process the files

[minor crag]

You can get the assets using your steam id but not the game code

[rigid snow]

but still, you can only serve one bundle per branch & you can't generate branches for each user on the fly

[real sierra]

you can just put the launcher only on steam and serve the game files third-party

[rigid snow]

then i'm not buying the game in the first place xd

[real sierra]

what why

[rigid snow]

that sucks

[real sierra]

wait till you see paradox games

[rigid snow]

i have and they do download the game files through steam no?

[minor crag]

When you download from stream you are given the game code and a one time use key

And on first launcher the game code sends the key and id to my "very secure" server that then sends pre encrypted assets

[real sierra]

wait so

your gripe is just

that the particular server the updates come from

isnt steam

[rigid snow]

i want the updates handled by steam, if they had a system to plug third-party sources i wouldn't mind

[minor crag]

So each copy can be traced back to a user but also run offline (you just need WiFi for first run so it can grab assets)

[real sierra]

i still am pretty sure this can be decrypted easily enough at rest

[minor crag]

I doubt I'd ever need to update assets so updates can be done with steam

[rigid snow]

i expect the games to update automatically without having to launch the launcher

[real sierra]

reverse engineer the decryption routine

which has to be unencrypted or trivially encrypted at rest

and then implement it yourself externally and write the results to disk

[minor crag]

You can decrypt assets but you'd need to patch my game code to expect decrypted assets

[real sierra]

?

oh i see

[rigid snow]

how is it more or less ethical than anything else

[real sierra]

hmm

id call this attributable not ethical

[primal siren]

I just got a Corsair Vengeance LPX 2×16 Go 3200 MHz CL16 for 90$ at best buy xD. Luck

[rigid snow]

#programming really is the twitter of neurocord

[real sierra]

because none of us know how to socialize

[real sierra]

i dont think this would be too hard in practice

i assume you have a centralized asset loader

and are not implementing it differently and separately for every asset or asset type or something like that

[minor crag]

I'm just encrypting assets with traceable data while a lot of games want you to always have WiFi or whatever

[minor crag]

That's a good idea

[real sierra]

dont tell me you requested this only to donowall it

[minor crag]

You can't patch it out if there are like 700 loaders

[rigid snow]

it changes nothing even if i crack the game in the most naive way possible by hardcoding the steamid, what will you do with my steamid? as i said steam accounts aren't really PII nor are they valuable

[real sierra]

trivial enough too to make a burner steam account just for buying and leaking this game

[minor crag]

I'll probably use this and a second method

[real sierra]

still seems a bit overcomplicated

i would, instead of jumping to the game start address, encrypt that address with the steamid as the key

then if the steamid doesnt match, it jumps somewhere random or out of bounds in the code

and probably crashes

very simple

who cares if someone leaks the game assets if the game doesnt start

[rigid snow]

very simple to reverse too

[real sierra]

yes but i showed the previous idea was also easy to reverse

evidently that wasnt a large concern

keep the goalposts where they are

[opaque wharf]

That's a good idea. If company can get away with selling buggy software, why can't I?

[minor crag]

I can probably use a separate asset loader for each asset then change each one just enough so it'll require effort to patch them all out

[real sierra]

another idea

convert the steam id to a sequence of bytes

then find all instances of that byte string in the code and remove it

save the address of each in a list somewhere

then on start, the steam id of the user is converted to bytes and patched in at each address

incorrect steam id blows up the game

if the steam id isnt found anywhere in the executable, increment it and search for that new id byte string somewhere in the code, if found then repeat same process but save the increment to enable reversal

[rigid snow]

steamid is 64 bytes you're probably not getting a single match even then, or do you mean hash

[real sierra]

☝️

[minor crag]

It will take a very very very long time for a single match

[real sierra]

you only do this at compile time

so thats fine

[rigid snow]

me waiting for the server to increment my 64byte steamid enough times before my game starts downloading

[real sierra]

the real flaw is that if two people get their game copies together, they can likely patch the gaps

but then at least you need a collaborative effort to pirate the game

at least two sales per pirate

[minor crag]

There are 13407807929942597099574024998205846127479365820592393377723561443721764030073546976801874298166903427690031858186486050853753882811946569946433649006084096 combinations of 64 bytes

[real sierra]

[minor crag]

It will take a while

[real sierra]

then use half the steamid

you can configure this

tradeoff speed for security

up to u

[rigid snow]

oh i'm stupid it's 64 bit

[opaque sigil]

i was going to say

[rigid snow]

why did they name it that

[minor crag]

115792089237316195423570985008687907853269984665640564039457584007913129639936

[opaque sigil]

64 byte steam id would be crazy

[real sierra]

you could also precompute the set of all 64-bit sequences in the executable

[minor crag]

That makes sense

[real sierra]

then sort the list and for a particular steam id, take the next sequence greater than it

and use the offset technique i mentioned

[rigid snow]

maybe valve went crazy on futureproofing

[real sierra]

then its very easy

[rigid snow]

0 tech debt

[opaque sigil]

why waste 56 bytes when you can fill the entire cache line

[minor crag]

64 bits is only 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 combinations

I think we will run out of possible steam accounts very soon

[rigid snow]

yeah idk what possesed me why did i think bytes i need sleep

int64 is not 64 bytes

[minor crag]

There are 8000000000~ humans and everyone needs a steam account (basic human right)

So there are only 18,446,744,065,709,551,616 steam accounts left

[rigid snow]

as i said i have 4 in my immediate possession, and more are lost to time

[minor crag]

So we have even less

[rigid snow]

and i don't think that's very uncommon to have multiple

[minor crag]

I gotta email gaben about this issue before the earth blows up or whatever happens when we run out of steam accounts

[rigid snow]

steamuuid

[real sierra]

everyone's steamid should be replaced with a (unique) 2048-bit RSA public key

there are plenty of those and they are also practical

[minor crag]

Might not be enough

[opaque sigil]

smh at least do 3072

[minor crag]

Then again we have declining birth rates so if we are careful then we won't run out until humans are extinct

[rigid snow]

will each atom in the entire universe have 10^500 accounts or what

[minor crag]

Well apparently its common to have multiple accounts so I don't think we have enough unique possible accounts

|| (BTW I am joking if you can't tell) ||

[real sierra]

no way around it then

there must be a culling

[rigid snow]

that's still more than enough btw

[dark valve]

Hello guys

[real sierra]

[minor crag]

Hello!!

[dark valve]

Hi

[minor crag]

Hi

[dark valve]

have you finished the project yet

[minor crag]

?

[dark valve]

Nothing:3

[minor crag]

OK?

I'm confused

[midnight sigil]

https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-pay-per-crawl/

[amber fractal]

Time to charge google for scraping

[midnight sigil]

they have web bot auth system

probably won't charge for recognized crawlers like web archive etc

or else this would get blamed quick

[unkempt citrus]

How do they detect and verify though

other than IP comparisons

[real sierra]

chat I have a problem

I have locked my keys in my room and I am on the wrong side of the door

[minor crag]

Window

[real sierra]

screen

[minor crag]

Climb through your window

[real sierra]

screen

[minor crag]

?

[real sierra]

there's a screen in the window

[minor crag]

Ohh

Uhhh

Grab an axe and do what that one guy did in that one movie

[amber fractal]

Seems like it might be user defined? At least from what I'm reading

[minor crag]

This guy

[real sierra]

W landlord

I'm saved

[minor crag]

My idea was better

[real sierra]

your idea was definitely cooler

but my security deposit is an important stakeholder

[minor crag]

Just duck tape the door back together

I HATE AUTOCORRECT

IT IS TRYING TO GET BE BANNED

[real sierra]

I saw the notification and my brain lagged

[wooden trellis]

good afternoon（？）

Although it is morning where I live

[real sierra]

[wooden trellis]

lol

[real sierra]

closer to evening here

[wooden trellis]

hi shiro

[real sierra]

hi!

[wooden trellis]

happy birthday

lol

[real sierra]

i dont wanna get older

[wooden trellis]

I just saw a picture before, which said to wish Shiro a happy birthday every day

lol

[real sierra]

i must regret to inform you

it is not my birthday every day

regardless of what propaganda you may have seen

[wooden trellis]

“This year is my birthday”

haha

If this bothers you, I won't say it again.

[real sierra]

its fine

[wooden trellis]

[rare bridge]

alright, since i talked about backups here previously, figured i should send my final msg on the subject here for now

[real sierra]

why does that sound so menacing

am i being backed up

[rare bridge]

nah it just means i've managed to get it working

got cloud backups working! currently using a hetzner storage box and then encrypting my content via rclone crypt

seems to work like a charm

[opaque wharf]

Congrats. You have a better backup practice than ~70% of #programming

[real sierra]

i dont even version control

[rare bridge]

[real sierra]

nevermind backup

[opaque wharf]

I can't be arsed to do it

[real sierra]

i dont wanna store the backup anywhere

i move too often for physical media to be worth keeping

[rare bridge]

hetzner storage boxes are pretty cheap ngl

[real sierra]

cheap by your standards maybe

i can barely justify two meals a day

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, there's also backblaze for personal computer backup

[real sierra]

[opaque wharf]

For server they did charge a bit more

[rare bridge]

i'm paying like £4/month for 1TB of storage with no egress fees

anyway, you wanted that screeps server right? i'll be looking into it tomorrow

[real sierra]

[opaque wharf]

Birthday gift for shiro lol

[real sierra]

[rare bridge]

this cold backup is gonna take a bit, but that's standard for cold backups

[real sierra]

i was trying to figure out what the break even time would be for this service

but if they're using tape drive storage, it might only take a year

[rare bridge]

hetzner is one of the biggest companies for hosting

[opaque wharf]

Probably not

[real sierra]

why not?

[rare bridge]

i imagine they may be running storage boxes at a loss

[real sierra]

if its meant to be infrequent write

[opaque wharf]

They just have that much storage

[real sierra]

which is what "storage box" makes me think

then i can see it

[rare bridge]

storage boxes is their answer to "i need massive amounts of storage but not in s3"

it's meant to be used in combination with their servers

but you can easily use it standalone

[opaque wharf]

Cloudflare has R2 but its not meant for backup

[real sierra]

i wonder what the highest information density storage medium is currently

having a value for the lower bound of the volume of a bit sounds amusing

[rare bridge]

probably the human brain

or dna

but tech related? prob nvme ssd

[opaque wharf]

For backblaze its B2, their backup solution is a separate service

[real sierra]

cloud

[rare bridge]

i didn't go for backblaze cos i've heard issues about cancelling

[opaque wharf]

Something etched to some crystal

[real sierra]

they gaslit me into uploading all my screeps code here

and then didnt even look at it

[rare bridge]

either way, server tomorrow if it's straightforward enough

[real sierra]

[rare bridge]

but i also need to throw linux onto a box and config with pterodactyl daemon for mc server hosting

[real sierra]

should be straightforward enough

[opaque wharf]

I told you to make a github repo. Not upload it here

[real sierra]

if you own the game there's literally a "start private server" button

so standalone cant require that many libraries

[opaque wharf]

It is not THAT straightforward. But yeah, I think it is not that hard either with container

Notably the steam web api key

[rare bridge]

i just accidentally shutdown my machine and terminated the session running the cold backup

[opaque wharf]

This is the thing that I mentioned yesterday. The server need to authenticate to steam, so when running it from steam it is easy because the launcher can use the currently logged it user session token. But for standalone without steam installation, not so much

[opaque wharf]

Mhmm, so this is what makes you Vedal987 mod

Shiro with VCS

[real sierra]

vcs? i just dont make mistakes

i understand that not every coder is ready for that tho

[opaque wharf]

Says the person that edited his message

[rare bridge]

that apparently INCREASED the eta

(it decided to find like an extra 100gb of my data)

alright, gonna let that run overnight

[real sierra]

probably the crash log from the last attempt

[rare bridge]

nah, that's not backed up to where i store local backups from the pc

[real sierra]

[opaque wharf]

Reminds me of Konii fast implementation of memory leak

[real sierra]

"implementation of memory leak"

[opaque wharf]

I think it was 1GB/s of memory leak

[sage crag]

hi

[real sierra]

void leak() {
  malloc(8);
}

[sage crag]

not just any

[stable fractal]

Why is typing on as phone with wet haa nss sso hars

[sage crag]

it was fast

[opaque wharf]

Here is the criminal

[sage crag]

im not a criminal im konii

[rare bridge]

each library needs a memory leak implementation!

[real sierra]

hmmmm

[rare bridge]

something for new contributors to try fix

[real sierra]

i wonder what the fastest way is that i can leak mem now

i think i have an idea

[sage crag]

i was trying to overcome the yes per second of the gnutils yes command

[sage crag]

cap := 1
loop {
  malloc(cap)
  cap *= 2
}

optimal amortized growth

[stable fractal]

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

i was gonna do something similar but the other way around

because this doesnt leak all the memory

you'll have a bit left over

[rare bridge]

what if you spawned cap more loops each loop

[sage crag]

fork bomb

[opaque wharf]

And now we discuss the best implementation of memory leak

[real sierra]

void leak() {
  long long size = 1 << 64;
  while (size > 0) {
    while (malloc(size)) {
      // :D
    }
    size >> 1;
  }
}

[stable fractal]

What is enub

[rare bridge]

still leaks memory

[real sierra]

hows that

no byte left unscathed

[opaque wharf]

Benchmark how fast it is

[real sierra]

how do you even benchmark that

[opaque wharf]

That is the metric we use

[real sierra]

do you just spin it up in a vm and see how long it takes for the vm to crash

[opaque wharf]

If konii can do it, so can you

[sage crag]

m

[real sierra]

i value my system

[sage crag]

you know my mem leak wasnt even that bad

my system is just fast enough that i can do this 500 million times a second

[opaque wharf]

This implies konii didn't, what is the defendant has to say about this?

[sage crag]

the audience doesnt need to know about the amount of RAM i have

[cobalt sigil]

yo

[real sierra]

yo

[sage crag]

oi

[opaque wharf]

Thats your answer shiro. Have a RAM in the order of TB. Ez pz

[cobalt sigil]

does anyone here knows how to do domain forwarding with masking (in cloudfare

[sage crag]

solution to memory leak is to outscale the memory leak

leaking 1gb/s? buy 100tb of ram and you have 27 hours before your pc dies

[opaque wharf]

Not a bad one either. Wasn't it used somewhere in a control system? Where a memory leak occurs but the system will never run for that long anyway

[sage crag]

veedol

[cobalt sigil]

add-on info: i did try create a cloudfare worker, however i dont see any places to actually let me add a code

[opaque wharf]

I forgot about his memory leak lol

[sage crag]

is it really a leak

[cobalt sigil]

he even leaks his ip to neuro lol

[sage crag]

its more like an open window

eliv is hungry feed her more memory

[midnight sigil]

https://developers.cloudflare.com/bots/concepts/bot/verified-bots/web-bot-auth/

[opaque wharf]

So

Fun fact

Our country has laws, EXPLICITLY stating that black magic is illegal

Bro, my country is cooked

And to be clear, not black magic the company

[hoary lion]

aww

[real sierra]

update on screeps

i added a new class of miner, the "static miner"

inspired by what i saw other players doing

having the miners both collect the resources and carry them back is inefficient, as they only use their WORK parts while mining and only use their CARRY, MOVE parts while bringing them to storage

so if you split this process into one creep that mines and one that hauls the goods back, you can get max usage of each part

i already had logistics units that could reallocate resources between storages

but getting a miner with no legs to the mining site was a tricky problem

ended up adding another function to the logistics creeps which lets them carry any creeps that request a drag

this not only solves this problem but generalizes the solution for future use

[opaque wharf]

Starting to think of specialization now

[sage crag]

[hoary lion]

this person is addicted to screeps

[real sierra]

not even close to addicted

im only rank ~1000 on the leaderboard

out of uh

1100

[real sierra]

id like to see them try to take my fortress now

oh frick i should probably untick that box

wait

why is it on for every single object

please i dont want that many emails

[oak flicker]

better figure out the API calls to turn them all off

[real sierra]

i did

but it costs an unacceptable amount of processing time

so im just gonna have to eat emails ig

new outlook rule

screeps -> spam

[amber fractal]

Ah yes, we love 1 dmg attack spam

[oak flicker]

screeps -> trash -> empty trash

fixed

[real sierra]

if ("PANIC" not in email body)

[amber fractal]

Rolling out a custom email client to do logic on screeps notifications, couldn't be me

[real sierra]

the intelligent thing to do would be to not provide your email to the optional email field

i, however, am not in the business of intelligent things

[oak flicker]

just nuke it at the email server level lol

[real sierra]

thank god i have this set at least

[oak flicker]

hahaha

errors? what errors?

[amber fractal]

True, I should roll out a server for screeps

[real sierra]

☝️

[opaque wharf]

So, shiro, still not uploading it to github? I'm willing to concede to google drive even, or onecloud like what Sam did with his repo

[real sierra]

why would i want this code somewhere that people could easily associate it with its author

[oak flicker]

because you are very proud of your work most likely 😛

[real sierra]

yeah im also a multi millionaire

[oak flicker]

kick ass

[unkempt citrus]

You probably are if you switch currencies

[real sierra]

screeps progress update

nothing is working anymore

i didnt even change anything

?

ah

i see

a while ago a creep wandered into another room accidentally

this just happened to coincide with the unit queue function

[pulsar edge]

clearly you've never actually leaked before

[real sierra]

which then queued units to spawn in there

but then the code didnt filter by room when counting how many units of a particular role were in the spawn queue currently

which biased how many units were set to be spawned

actually no thats not true

i filtered already

[oak flicker]

🤔

[real sierra]

im confused now

[pulsar edge]

shiro

[real sierra]

scrub

[pulsar edge]

your leak code doesn't work

[real sierra]

what

why

[pulsar edge]

left shifting by bit width is UB

but also, 1 << 64 results in zero because you shifted the bit away

also also, malloc takes size_t (usually ull) instead of ll

[real sierra]

fuck size_t

malloc will take whatever the fuck i want it to

because im using C

also

yeah it should be 1 << 63

[pulsar edge]

#include <stdint.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
void leak() {
  size_t s = SIZE_MAX;
  while (s > 0) {
    malloc(s);
    s >> 1;
  }
}

better

[real sierra]

still bad

wont work

you'll have memory left over

🥱

mine leaves no crumb remaining

[pulsar edge]

fine

[real sierra]

actually no

im lying

yours works

i hate memory

im going back to screeps

[pulsar edge]

#include <stdint.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
void leak() {
  size_t s = SIZE_MAX;
  while (s > 0) {
    while (malloc(s)) {}
    s--;
  }
}

that will fill every single memory gap

[pulsar edge]

malloc is both fun and annoying

[real sierra]

every time i speak is a mistake

this is why i let my screeps talk for me

[pulsar edge]

though I can say that the biggest C project I worked on had 3 people including me on the team

every memory leak was caused by the others, and I wrote over 50% of the total code

wait no I think I had a single memory leak

that project was really fucking cool though and I would totally share it with you if my IRL identify wasn't tied to it

ignore the typo in the automod logs

[real sierra]

[pulsar edge]

they're right next to each other man

im on phone

[fast pagoda]

surely balenaEtcher will work this time

and doesn't suck ass still

turned on my laptop and it thinks it's may 14th

this thing lives 1 day at a time

[opaque wharf]

Come to Indonesia

[real sierra]

sounds like a fun vacation

[opaque wharf]

Big C energy

[opaque wharf]

Just avoid international tourist trap and you'll be fine

[real sierra]

the current state of the empire

i think i have the second best screeps colony in my novice zone

only bested by this guy who is absolutely insane at the game

"""novice"""

i would've loved to stay up to see ift he new miners i made actually work

but i need sleep

ill just have to trust in my coding skills

[opaque wharf]

Are you?

[real sierra]

it bed time

overnight I expect the builders will complete at least the first energy source container

and perhaps start the second

[tender river]

good night shir

[real sierra]

but it's a gamba whether or not anything else will work:

• will static miners be added to the spawn queue?
• if so, will the AI error out when they are produced?
• if it doesn't, will it work correctly as written?

if it does all work then I'll be rich when I wake up

if it doesn't then I'll have lost an incredible amount of energy overnight

I definitely do think this is the future of mining tho

we just make creeps with no legs or spine

whose jobs are solely to extract energy

and then we have creeps that are only legs and spine to come collect all of it

[tender river]

can creeps work while being carried?

and can they carry while being carried?

[real sierra]

they should be able to work while being carried, yes

[opaque wharf]

Sounds cursed ngl

Creeps centipede

[real sierra]

I don't know if they can carry while being carried

nor do I know if there's a use case for that ultimately

[opaque wharf]

Less processing power

[real sierra]

it's not less sadly

and would only be applicable in the oddly specific situation everyone is going to the same place

[opaque wharf]

So marching army

[real sierra]

further, you need MOVE parts to drag other creeps

but at that point, you yourself can walk

[opaque wharf]

When on the way, they could create a trains of screeps

[real sierra]

so you don't need to be dragged

stop trying to justify trains I agree it would be cool but we're going for practicality here

[opaque wharf]

But it is cool AND practical!

[real sierra]

you can make all the trains you want when the screeps server goes up

which may be tomorrow

[opaque wharf]

I'm going to make some abomination of a code for sure lol

I'm not good with AI programming, mostly I do data processing

[real sierra]

this isn't exactly what I do for a day job either

I mean hell

I don't need to tell you my code is stapled together

is all up there somewhere

[random igloo]

Claude sped up my shitty hand-written CUDA kernel by 7000x

[amber fractal]

[stark needle]

Morning

[hoary lion]

even the goat lucidrains uses claude for triton kernel

[opaque wharf]

Shiro, if you're awake later and still wondering about the high density information medium, it reminds me of this story posted here before about a man with his brains compressed to just 10% of average size
https://www.sciencealert.com/a-man-who-lives-without-90-of-his-brain-is-challenging-our-understanding-of-consciousness

[ruby timber]

"french" I need no more

[amber fractal]

:xdx:

[rough bloom]

Gleam JS interop sucks
static types do NOT map well to JS APIs

I want my Elixir back

[ruby timber]

Unironically really interesting story

[tender river]

mrow mrp

the voices

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

Im beginning to think mine and shiro's scheduled dont match that well

[opaque wharf]

See, technically its also evening here

I just have a bad sleep "schedule"

[olive sable]

Its 10am here rn

I probably will ruin my sleepchedule as soon as i have the chance

So im not too woried

Ill be home friday next week

[silent slate]

Mornin

[rare bramble]

definitely more interested in screeps if we have our own server

[safe path]

chayleaf meow

[olive sable]

We will

Cloudburst will make one

And otherwise i will

[rare bramble]

I will have to find a way to use a sane typed language though

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

Wasm

Use c and emscripten or whatever

[rough bloom]

TypeScript works well if you count that as "sane"

[olive sable]

If you do you should lay off on the counting

[rare bramble]

it's leaps and bounds better than implicit casting NaNs to strings

[olive sable]

[dry charm]

meowification of #programming

[tender river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach–Tarski_paradox

its like the chocolate thing

[opaque wharf]

Oh, I know that thing

Just don't understand the underlying principle tho

[tender river]

how do you expect me to stay sane when learning fixpoint and order theory

[hoary lion]

time to actually sleep

its 1:42 am

[opaque wharf]

This but Neuro
https://eieio.games/blog/a-million-realtime-chess-boards-in-a-single-process/

How long before she got overwhelmed?

[safe path]

doctored image

[sage crag]

[dry charm]

ok anyone new to programming should start with The Farmer was Replaced

this is fun

[rare bramble]

Can also recommend, you can also get really in depth and advanced with some of the farming algorithms

[opaque wharf]

Shiro will have 2 full time job

[olive sable]

I liked programming with scratch when i first started

I have a book on it somewhere from when i was 7 or so

This one

Came out in 2016 so i was 9 then ig

[real sierra]

I already have two

my actual job and screeps

[opaque wharf]

You should welcome the 3rd then

[real sierra]

time for my morning screeps checkup

lets see what they're up to

[trim valve]

[real sierra]

welp

they arent dragging it

thats not helpful

[inner pike]

the mines didnt work ?

miners*

[real sierra]

correct

[inner pike]

rip

is it very expensive to play Creeps ? Cause when i checked the game on steam it said something about limited cpu and then the fact that there are items you can buy for real money to get unlimited cpu ?

[trim valve]

by default you get 20ms of cpu per tick that you can consume

you can pay more to get more cpu per tick

[inner pike]

what exactly does this even mean ?

[trim valve]

1 moment

https://docs.screeps.com/cpu-limit.html

[opaque wharf]

You ever program something? A CPU time is how long the program is being run by the CPU

[trim valve]

basically, 1 tick per second
you get 20ms (max sustainable) to do computations
you can use up to 500ms per tick but it will only regen the bucket up to 10 seconds (based on limit - amount used on tick)

[real sierra]

ok i fixed part of the problem

lets see if it fixed all of it

[trim valve]

if you pay for an upgraded cpu you get more than 20ms that you can sustainably use (/ you regen cpu usage faster)

[inner pike]

Yeah im a cs student, but i didnt know what this means in the context in the game

[real sierra]

the static miner now requests a drag as intended

[trim valve]

but iirc shiro has mentioned you can get temp cpu upgrades via an ingame currency too

also 20ms is a decently long time

[real sierra]

dragging isnt working

[real sierra]

yes

people can buy CPU unlocks with real money and sell them on the in game market for other resources

it does happen but the prices are uh

[trim valve]

reminds me of hypixel skyblock

[inner pike]

reminds me of bonds in runescape

[real sierra]

ITS WORKING

THE LOGISTICS CREEP IS DRAGGING THE STATIC MINER

[opaque wharf]

Mhmm, same as in the real program for the cpu time

It is a programming game after all

So even if you buy the dlc for additional cpu time, unless you write a good algorithm, you're getting rolled anyway

And the DLC/micro transaction thingy only valid on official server

[opaque wharf]

Peak addiction

[real sierra]

ok i had to fix one more bug

because i didnt refresh a cached value after fixing this bug last night

but now its working

🔥

[opaque wharf]

Ahh, yes. One of the two hardest problems in CS. Cache invalidation

[olive sable]

Cache

[real sierra]

other than that tho

its actually working now

i can already tell this is so much more income

the miner can now have twice the mining speed since it doesnt need movement or carrying parts

and it can stay mining 24/7 since it doesnt need to transport the resources back

and i already had logistics units which handle that transport so its no extra cost to facilitate

[rough bloom]

added to the list of ideas to steal

[real sierra]

the only catch was coming up with a way to drag these miners to the energy sources since they're immobile

and also ensuring there is a container built beneath their work location so the energy dropped doesnt decay

my stats say 2.7 energy per tick

insane

thats usually way lower, if not negative

this should have some snowball effects as the next units produced will reflect the new amount of resource availability

very exciting

cant wait to see what this place looks like when i get home from work today

[opaque wharf]

Get to work, coding, back at home, coding

[scarlet arch]

Recreational programming

[real sierra]

i didnt even think about it until now

but it means my miners dont need to make regular pathfinding calls anymore either

im probably saving CPU

[opaque wharf]

The thing that takes up most of the compute lol

But also since the location of the resources are now fixed, you can safely cache the road to them for even better (less) pathfinding call

[real sierra]

ehhhhhhhh

pathfinding caching seems complicated and annoying

i still wont do it

my priority is adding things to use my spare CPU

not trying to save more

im only using about 15% of my CPU budget per tick

holy

almost up to 3 energy per tick now

net, not gross

[rough bloom]

I'm giving up on Gleam, the ratio of effort spent writing the bindings to making Creeps do things was too high, like 10:1
the static typing simply doesn't work well with the Screeps API, and for some reason Gleam does not have maps as a native data type, so everything you could possibly want to do with an object requires a new function

[real sierra]

no maps?

[rough bloom]

off to try ClojureScript instead
anything except actually playing Screeps

[rough bloom]

yes

it's stupid

[real sierra]

last place on the leaderboard

i need to change the logistics creep code when i get home

currently when transferring between storages it takes only what it needs to fill the destination

but for transferring from these mining source containers on the outskirts, its much more time effective to fill inventory before returning

[opaque wharf]

TypeScript whispers from a distance

[scarlet arch]

Dumb question but I'm curious cause I prefer compiled languages. Could you "compile" code down to IR code, and then from there to JavaScript, just to save a few more percent of CPU usage for the game?

[opaque wharf]

You sure it won't blow up the pathfinding call again?

[real sierra]

screeps accepts wasm modules too

[scarlet arch]

:O

[opaque wharf]

That's called wasm

[scarlet arch]

That's huge

[scarlet arch]

Yeah obviously but didn't know it accepts that

[rough bloom]

someone made Rust bindings too

this embed is stupid

[real sierra]

(which compiles down to wasm modules)

[rough bloom]

(yes, that's why I mentioned it)

[scarlet arch]

I like the logo

[opaque wharf]

(are this the new trend?)

[scarlet arch]

Little Ferris all over it

[real sierra]

every unit we're producing is double size

once we get around to upgrading the logistics unit and static miner unit, income will skyrocket

this is only one energy source using this method too, the other is waiting on the container to be built

cinema cinema cinema

logistics creep died its over

[opaque sigil]

huh, they do have a map in their stdlib
is it not dynamic enough for javascript or what

[rare bramble]

ok now we are talking

[rough bloom]

all the keys must be of the same type and all the values must be of the same type.

[real sierra]

ok last change

modified unit spawning code to target 1 logistics unit per container

now i go work

[opaque sigil]

well yeah

that's how maps work

is it because objects in js are super flexible and you can just throw in anything

[rough bloom]

yes

it's because JS is very much dynamically typed

[scarlet arch]

Isn't that how maps work...?

[rough bloom]

and Gleam is the complete opposite

[opaque sigil]

i guess that's true, you can't use javascript's Map in screeps

[rough bloom]

when they're statically typed, yes

in for example Elixir they're dynamic

[rigid snow]

i don't get it either, how is it a problem

why do you need to represent js objects as maps

that's what structs are for

[rough bloom]

Gleam does not have structs

[scarlet arch]

I ignore anything dynamic. Languages with dynamic typing need to be eradicated.

[rigid snow]

what does it have

[opaque sigil]

records are basically structs

[rough bloom]

records

[rough bloom]

yeah, but I'm pretty sure they don't map 1:1 to JS objects, because they're more like enums internally

so I can't just have a Creep record type with the appropriate fields
it has to be opaque with functions to access the fields instead

[opaque sigil]

i see

sounds annoying

[rigid snow]

sounds like a skill issue to me but i haven't looked into gleam at all so

[tender river]

that sounds fair though you'd do it the same way in something like rust

[rough bloom]

it's not that it's impossible, you can do it
I have a generic JS object type too that would allow working with pretty much anything

it's just a lot of bindings to write

[rough bloom]

yeah, except there somebody has already done the work

Gleam has like 3 users, nobody uses it for anything

[opaque wharf]

Btw mlnt, I'm too lazy to look into it further now, but when to use rspack vs rolldown?

[rough bloom]

I shouldn't have believed

[rigid snow]

aren't they the same thing

both bundlers

[opaque wharf]

Got it, so its a preference then

[opaque wharf]

I haven't look further into rspack

Which is why I'm asking. Because I'm on mobile and don't want to read the docs on tiny screen

But good to know, thanks

[rigid snow]

wait no actually

nvm

you're all good

[opaque wharf]

Thank god its not another exception to keep in mind about JS quirk

[rigid snow]

i'm like a reasoning llm i like to overly doubt myself

[opaque wharf]

I'm rooting for rolldown just because they are being used by vite lol

[rigid snow]

but the difference is that rspack is a webpack compatible api

so you can drop-in replace webpack

[opaque sigil]

baited

i should've probably mentioned i've never actually used js as a target with gleam

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I don't need webpack and the mess that it entails. Sure it has a richer ecosystem, but also the baggage pre ES6

[rigid snow]

i shit you not "front-ops" is a term i hear used around me in professional circles to refer to people who specifically specialize in this, like devops

i don't identify as such

like how convoluted does an ecosystem need to be to have a separate title made up

[noble zodiac]

know what they call them around my circles? junior devs

[rigid snow]

nah i doubt a junior dev is a webpack wizard

[noble zodiac]

self inflicted wounds

[tender river]

sounds like a job for code generation

[opaque wharf]

With LLM, you may as well be webpack wizard through vibing

[real sierra]

rule 1 of being a programmer

avoid the job title "devops" at all costs

[rigid snow]

maybe for someone it's fun to do ci for 10 hours a day

don't judge

[real sierra]

you know

if screeps cpu unlocks can be purchased with real money

and then sold on the screeps market for credits

then the screeps credit is backed by the US dollar

which makes it a pretty strong currency

[real sierra]

maybe that someone should consider the value a good therapist can add to your life

[tender river]

senior yaml developer

[real sierra]

chayleaf

I'm doing the programmer thing where I work on something easy to avoid working on something hard

fixing the economy stuff is certainly useful but it's a much more critical need to sort out my defense affairs

[tender river]

bikeshedding and NIH are the two inalienable rights of every programmer

[real sierra]

I wonder if creeps can be pulled across room boundaries

I wish I could push creeps instead of pull them

[inner pike]

imagine somebody eventually finds your base shiro and all they do is leave a message that says "HBD"

[real sierra]

screeps can say thing that are visible to other players

and you can add publicly visible flavour text to rooms

so that's pretty doable

(better not happen tho)

[inner pike]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-face-stellaris-gif-24020972

[real sierra]

nice try, but another server member playing screeps is simply not a canon event and cannot happen

[rare bramble]

I got Rust and WASM working in the Screeps Arena demo

[real sierra]

[jagged turtle]

ci is fun until you realise you're losing sanity

[rigid snow]

"ci is fun"

[jagged turtle]

yes I said it out loud

[rigid snow]

he's from the future

[jagged turtle]

I wish I was one hour faster

I feel like I am drunk

is this what it feels like to stay up a bit later

[olive sable]

I am here

Suffering

38C

100.4F

[vivid tulip]

I have successfully written a text file in APL, and read its contents in COBOL

[jagged turtle]

-# but why though

[vivid tulip]

Because while learning APL, people kept telling me to "learn a more readable language"

And what language is more readable than one that's basically written in English?

If you meant this exercise specifically, I figured it'd be a good way for me to sharpen my skills in both languages, as I've barely done much of this sort of thing so far

And true to form, the APL expression to write the file only has about three times more characters than the COBOL program has lines to read it—and that's including strings

[olive sable]

What defines an object?

What makes an object diffrent from a recourse?

Why is OOP hated?

Why do we write code, only to refactor it 100 times?

[woven temple]

why do you live in a place that wants to kill you?

[olive sable]

Im in montenegro rn

[rare bramble]

used this as a base:

https://github.com/rustyscreeps/screeps-arena-starter-rust

-> src/lib.rs
erased everything and only had this:

use log::*;
use screeps_arena::{
    constants::{prototypes, Part},
    game,
    prelude::*,
};
use wasm_bindgen::prelude::*;

mod logging;

fn setup() {
    logging::setup_logging(logging::Info);
}

// add wasm_bindgen to any function you would like to expose for call from js
// to use a reserved name as a function name, use `js_name`:
#[wasm_bindgen(js_name = wasm_loop)]
pub fn tick() {
     let tick = game::utils::get_ticks();

    if tick == 1 {
        setup();
    }
    warn!("Current tick:{}", tick);
}

as per the readme, installed cargo-screeps:
cargo install -f cargo-screeps

setup my screeps.toml to the following based on what was in screeps-defaults.toml and from the documentations:

default_deploy_mode = "default"

[build]
build_mode = "arena"
build_profile = "release"
out_name = "screepsArena"

[default]
destination = "./ScreepsArena/"
prune = false

# for full syntax, see
# https://github.com/rustyscreeps/cargo-screeps/blob/master/screeps-defaults.toml

ran
cargo screeps build
and
cargo screeps deploy

this generate a folder:
./ScreepsArena/default/

open the generated ./ScreepsArena/default/main.mjs file and rename the paths:
"./screeps-arena-starter-rust" to "./screepsArena"
and
"./screeps-arena-starter-rust_bg.wasm.bin" to "./screepsArena_bg.wasm.bin"
(no idea why changing the name in screeps.toml doesnt rename these?)

copy all 3 files to the screeps arena tutorial-loop_and_import folder overwriting the original main.mjs file

and when I play the tutorial I get the following output:

apparently this can also build for world?

[trim valve]

I wonder if wasm has any real efficiency improvements over js

[rare bramble]

also there is the world specific one:
https://github.com/rustyscreeps/screeps-starter-rust

at least I got arena working, but since I dont know how the world version works yet, dont know if these are fully applicable

but in cargo-screeps screeps.tomlconfig guide it says:
# # allowed values are "world" and "arena"

so i'm assuming that you can use roughly the same things for world, you just have to tweak the screeps.toml config that I gave from arena to world and use the world api instead of the arena api in toml, maybe some other stuff too

[trim valve]

ok so I did a little looking and you could reimplement pathfinding in wasm

(I think)

if true I wonder how much CPU you could save

[tender river]

pathfinding is already a wasm module

[trim valve]

I am looking at an outdated repo oops

[tender river]

i am a screeps expert feel free to ask me any questions

(i read shiro's messages so i'm qualified)

(this is my only exposure to screeps)

[trim valve]

tbh I'm basically just reading through the docs and going "neat" to a lot of stuff

[maiden geyser]

you can put "2 years of experience with screeps" into your resume now

[trim valve]

I just wish the game was written using risc-v assembly instead of js

[tender river]

fuck, lattices dont form a lattice

i have a problem

[trim valve]

actually wait where is this I'm lost now 😭

did I just not look deep enough into what astarpathfinder is

[rough bloom]

unless they updated only their official server and not the public Screeps repos it's still JS

[trim valve]

wasm is so back 😎

[rough bloom]

the pathfinding implementation used by the private server is this
https://www.npmjs.com/package/@screeps/pathfinding

https://github.com/jciskey/screeps-pathfinding/
there is this wasm one but it's third-party

[tender river]

misinfo https://github.com/screeps/driver/blob/master/native/src/pf.cc

[rough bloom]

wtf

why do they depend on the pathfinding library if they have already reimplemented it themselves

[trim valve]

now to find out which one they actually use

[rough bloom]

seems like it does use the one from the native library

[sage crag]

you called?

[tender river]

konii i cant handle this lattices dont form a lattice whats even the point

[sage crag]

lattice of lattices is a higher dimensional lattice

[tender river]

its ok when you cant do something in maths it would probably be super useful so surely i'm on the right track

[sage crag]

think (n+1) dimensionally

[sage crag]

i think for my next trick im going to restructure targets again

this is why im working on 0.2.0

[tender river]

good luck lol, maybe look at some other stdlibs for inspiration

[trim valve]

regardless the cheapest way to pathfind is to abuse the http api instead

[olive sable]

I am back to civilization

[sage crag]

i have been

we shall see if it was fruitful

[olive sable]

Imo the cheapest way to pathfind is to let actual physics figure it out

Spin

[rare bramble]

just randomly move until find the path

[trim valve]

ok mis spoke

cheapest without compromising on the ability to find the damn path 😭

[rough bloom]

https://github.com/screeps/engine/blob/master/src/game/rooms.js
this uses the JS library??
the native pathfinding library seems to only be used by invaders but that's stupid

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

https://youtu.be/qJZ1Ez28C-A?si=92vm-yGhy_beSrxZ

The ultimate pathfinding algorithm

💯

[rare bramble]

example rust setup for the tutorial 2, moving creep to flag

use log::*;
use screeps_arena::{
    constants::{Part, prototypes::*},
    game::{
        self,
        utils::{get_object_by_id, get_objects_by_prototype, get_ticks},
    },
    prelude::*,
};
use wasm_bindgen::prelude::*;

mod logging;

fn setup() {
    logging::setup_logging(logging::Info);
}

// add wasm_bindgen to any function you would like to expose for call from js
// to use a reserved name as a function name, use `js_name`:
#[wasm_bindgen(js_name = wasm_loop)]
pub fn tick() {
    let tick = get_ticks();
    if tick == 1 {
        setup();
    }

    info!("Current tick:{tick}");

    info!("{:?}", game::utils::get_objects());
    let flag = get_object_by_id(&"10".into()).unwrap();
    let creeps = get_objects_by_prototype(CREEP);
    let my_creep = creeps.iter().find(|c| c.my()).unwrap();
    my_creep.move_to(flag.as_ref(), None);
}

the rust API doesnt seem too bad, if this is roughly what it will be for the screeps world too

edit: nvm the flag from the feature enable-flag is for capture the flag, could not find the flag item for the tutorial, had to get the flag by id

much rather use this than js

[olive sable]

Tbh, it cant be that hard to calculate action

If you run it on gpu you can easily do 100 rays

Should be pretty easy to do for 2D

[olive sable]

Still waiting gor quantum cores on gpu's or as a separate pcie card

[opaque sigil]

https://developer.nvidia.com/cuquantum-sdk this is the best you'll get

nvm cuquantum is trash apparently

[sharp mantle]

https://fixupx.com/legit_api/status/1941165728708874514 this is speculative, but I hope it holds true (45% accuracy on Humanity's Last Exam with thinking)

ʟᴇɢɪᴛ (@legit_api)

Grok-4 and Grok-4 Code on benchmarks
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[olive sable]

Fine, il do it myself
How hard can it be

Might do it if i have some time, im focussing on vulkan rn

[warped narwhal]

The progress has been progressed

[opaque sigil]

write a quantum simulator in vulkan

[nocturne olive]

How do you make it random though?

[opaque sigil]

Prng is good enough

[rare bramble]

use log::*;
use screeps_arena::{
    ResourceType::Energy,
    constants::{Part, ReturnCode::NotInRange, prototypes::*},
    game::utils::{get_objects_by_prototype, get_ticks},
    prelude::*,
};
use wasm_bindgen::prelude::*;

mod logging;

fn setup() {
    logging::setup_logging(logging::Info);
}

// add wasm_bindgen to any function you would like to expose for call from js
// to use a reserved name as a function name, use `js_name`:
#[wasm_bindgen(js_name = wasm_loop)]
pub fn tick() {
    let tick = get_ticks();
    if tick == 1 {
        setup();
    }

    let creeps = get_objects_by_prototype(CREEP);
    let my_creep = creeps.iter().find(|c| c.my()).unwrap();
    let my_spawn = get_objects_by_prototype(STRUCTURE_SPAWN)[0].clone();
    let resource = get_objects_by_prototype(SOURCE)[0].clone();

    let max_capacity = my_creep.store().get_capacity(Some(Energy));
    if my_creep.store().get_used_capacity(Some(Energy)) < max_capacity {
        if my_creep.harvest(&resource) == NotInRange {
            my_creep.move_to(&resource, None);
        }
    } else if my_creep.transfer(&my_spawn, Energy, None) == NotInRange {
        my_creep.move_to(&my_spawn, None);
    }
}

and here is an example for the last tutorial, harvesting resource and bringing it back to spawn,
this is the last one i post, at least for Arena. just examples for the rust API how to use it for anyone interested

[olive sable]

You dont need to.
If we're using action to calculate our phase, then we just use the distance of each path

Im thinking for performance sake we limit the search area to a rectangle with the start and end locations as the lin and max

[opaque wharf]

I woke up and chose violence

[olive sable]

So uh... Quantum physics does not work well in a grid system

Everything has the same length so the same amount of action.

This would still work well tho tbh

For obstacle avoidance

Min path length will be ∆x + ∆y, then you just search for the first pth that meets this min lenght

And if non exit you go for the lowest lenght ig

You would need to store the current min long with it's index tho

[opaque wharf]

You're trying to unify QM with GR? Sam will be the first one to solve the theory of QG

[olive sable]

What are those abreviations?

[opaque wharf]

Quantum Mechanics, General Relativity, Quantum Gravity (distinct from Theory of Everything)

But you missed the path where the particle is going through the whole plane

Oh you're listing the least action

[opaque wharf]

Nvm this then

[olive sable]

Those do exist ye, but the problem become that those get canceled out by the ones doing the same in the other direction I'm pretty sure

[opaque wharf]

I forgot the details, but I think it's not about cancelation and more like the contribution/probability of said path to the total sum of something is VERY small. But it could also be both (that the contribution is small and they cancel each other)

[olive sable]

The phase of the path gets added, but the phase of the other paths cancel it out

[olive sable]

Here the shortest path Is 8, and we have. Lot of lioness going to 8 which makes a lot of the phases amplefy each other

[olive sable]

Gets explained a lot better 20 min into this vid

Basically, path of least action is based

@real sierra how big is a screeps grid?

Wait I could just Google it

Nvm shiro

My bad

50x50 grid apparently

So the maximum minimum lenght is 98

[opaque wharf]

[olive sable]

98!/(49!)²

That's only 2.5477612e+28 possible paths of lowest action

This is not that great tbh

Mayhaps not enough CPU, cuz even with early return there will be cases of millions of loops needing to happen

Even with each path calculated in a microsecond, it would take a couple trillion years

Wait, screeps can move diagonally right???

Scratch everything

Add a couple thousand extra zeros to the big number and the max min lenght need to be Pythagoras

Ye this system sucks 😔

Back to A*

[noble zodiac]

A* is pretty good

[opaque wharf]

The curse of having square grid game

Lateral movements are 1 tile length, diagonal are √2

[olive sable]

A* is objectively good

But I wanted to use something else purely cuz I hoped I could

Using quantum mechanics would be objectively cool

[opaque wharf]

You can try to use flood fill and fill until the target square is occupied. The shortest path will then be just following the number

Not as optimal path as A* but I think its easier computationallly

But then again, for large grid value it'll be unusable lol

Hmmm, why is it suspiciously similar to A* now that I think about it

Ray tracing

Ray tracing as path finding algorithm

The benefit is that it could be brute forced on the GPU in parallel

[olive sable]

Ray tracing is barely better than my quantum brute forcing

In screeps, does moving diagonally cost more or as much as going sideways???

Cuz I don't need the actual lenght, I need the cost

[opaque wharf]

From the docs, its the same

[olive sable]

Aight

New algo

[opaque wharf]

https://docs.screeps.com/api/#Creep.move

[olive sable]

This probably already has a name but I'm calling it sam's stupid ass pathfinding algorithm.

[opaque wharf]

SSAO is Sam Stupid Ass Optimization

[opaque wharf]

Should be an option on your game engine later

[olive sable]

First calculate cost as h = min(∆x, ∆y) + max(∆x, ∆y) - min(∆x, ∆y)

Wit

I'm doing something tupid

I messed something up

[opaque wharf]

Just the max lol

The min cancels out

[olive sable]

Ye

Yes

The min is free since moving diagonal cot the same s going straight

First calculate cost as h = max(∆x, ∆y)

Then we do A* like classic

[opaque wharf]

[olive sable]

We just go towards the goal prioritizing straights, but when we reach a wall we make the first move of the straights we ended with a diagonal

[opaque wharf]

Ray tracing

[olive sable]

No

[opaque wharf]

Now that I think about it, U shaped path will be a nightmare with rays huh

[rigid snow]

a spiral is worse

[olive sable]

So if we start at S
The goal is G
Walls are X

Then we do
S__X_G
___X__
______

As
S>>X_G
___X__
______

Fuck, discord formatting

[rigid snow]

what is this blessing my eyes

[opaque wharf]

Right, like that one guy which constructed whole ass maze

[olive sable]

I'm on mobile, I can't see the formatting preview

[opaque wharf]

Git gud at markdown

Use \

Lots of \

[olive sable]

Like I said before, when reaching a wall with straight we change the firstmstraight to a diagonal

S>>X_G
___X__
______

Becomes

S__X_G
_∆>X__
______

Which then becomes
S__X_G
_∆_X∆_
__∆>__

I don't have sideways arrows, you'll have to deal with delta

Basically, it's a perfect system

Perhaps because I'm ignorant on potential downfalls

Ye i am blind

We need to store wich straights have the clearance to become a diagonal

Which could also become bad

Hmmmm

Ye nah well need to make the last straight a diagonal, then if needed the one before that

[opaque wharf]

This is depth first search

[olive sable]

Kinda?

We're still basing our moves on the cost factor

There's less need to backtrack

What I'm mainly trying to do is turn a right and down to a singular diagonal

Ye, double checked

This should work as long as we keep track of the maluability of the path

I'll need to see if this checks out performance wise tho

[minor crag]

Hehehe

[olive sable]

what are those?

[minor crag]

Cards from a 1970s RAF military computer

[rigid snow]

yeah my first thought was daughterboards

[minor crag]

Its basically a CPU with extra steps

[opaque wharf]

That's old ass computer

I know from the layout it is some form of logic gate

[minor crag]

Yea

It does some magic

Its also the most expensive computer I own

[opaque wharf]

Are you restoring it?

[minor crag]

It works

I can't use it since I lack a plane

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I can tell since it is in a very good shape for an old hardware

You took good care of it

[minor crag]

Thanks

The underside is a mess

[opaque wharf]

Eh, I've seen worse lol. But yeah, it sucks that they're soldered. A control panel, no matter how messy it is, is still just a bunch of connector, not solder

[stark needle]

chat

anyone remember this

@tight tinsel

didnt u listen to this shit in the plane