programming

[olive sable]

I wish

34C in budva rn

Have this panorama

[noble zodiac]

it's 39c here

[olive sable]

Makes sense, the sea cools it a bit here

[trim valve]

google

please be fr

that is in fact not a crosswalk

[noble zodiac]

is it not a crosswalk or are you just too scared to walk it?

[tender river]

cancellation support 🥺 👉 👈
progress support 🥺 👉 👈

[trim valve]

I don't think the cars would stop for me

[tender river]

sorry lsp protocol i have unilaterally decided \r is not a line ending

[sage crag]

:mhm:

[trim valve]

hm ok now I need to decide if I actually want the thing I'm gonna work on to be based on screeps in any way shape or form

or if I actually want to simplify it further

[noble zodiac]

is everyone suddenly getting into screeps?

[sage crag]

this time im working on writers before i start doing fmt or logging

[trim valve]

I am simply doing anything except for buying and playing screeps

it has just given me motivation to think about ideas I don't know how to start

[rough bloom]

yes, Shiro has been advertising hard

[tender river]

no more buffers

[sage crag]

now that i think about it i should probably do .writer: T; rather than .writer: Writer(T);

[noble zodiac]

when does someone make their own version of screeps just for this channel

[sage crag]

hbscreeps coming in 2037

[noble zodiac]

but it uses lisp

[rough bloom]

Screeps can already use lisp through ClojureScript

[noble zodiac]

in 2037 I'm long retired to a cabin in the woods

as is the natural order in IT

[sage crag]

nah

silly konii

[olive sable]

They better be

[tender river]

wait konii you wont believe it

lsp spec uses tabs

[olive sable]

According to this piece of paper ill be home next friday

[sage crag]

BASED AND TRUE

so does hblang formatter

[hoary lion]

woo tabs

[noble zodiac]

hard tabs should be abolished

[sage crag]

banned

[rigid snow]

hottest #programming take

[tender river]

why is the lsp protocol so damn big

ok to be fair i can ignore a fair bit but

[olive sable]

Dont get me started on the brackets if you want hot takes

[tender river]

i thought i'll just get the essentials like initialization done first

[sage crag]

good luck

[rigid snow]

time for actually controversial opinions: react is the greatest thing to happen to ui and should be ported to everything (react native) and emulated by everything (dioxus)

[hoary lion]

C# vs Java the battle would be legendary

[olive sable]

Nah java sucks

[rigid snow]

game engine needs a ui system? put react in there

[nocturne olive]

Kotlin better

[olive sable]

Idk what react is but sure

[rough bloom]

sad but not wrong
anything good is either literally React or very React inspired

[olive sable]

[tender river]

it uses one space in here day ruined

(before semanticTokens?)

[rough bloom]

there's third-party Kotlin support for Screeps btw

[nocturne olive]

Whuh

[olive sable]

Im pretty sure im just forced to use whatever sdl offers

[rigid snow]

of course do that if the scope is big enough and the effort of doing that is a drop in the bucket

i’m thinking very large and capable engines

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

not a good thing if the engine is 20k loc and the ui system is 10k of them

[raw trout]

gm!

Back to learning more Sailpoint stuffs

gah I need to do more hands on projects, tutorial hell sucks

[olive sable]

So far, instead of having 30 if statements each frame, i make a diffrent function per possible option.

But thzt option is also getting a bit annoying

[trim valve]

ok convinced I just actually want to implement alpha-beta pruning instead of playing screeps

though even that doesn't seem to be able to escape the issue of looking far into the future

[olive sable]

But screeps...

[trim valve]

I think I need to come up with some way to break it up into more high level tasks

[tender river]

oh my god the lsp spec is relying on automatic semicolon insertion in js

[olive sable]

[tender river]

ok now i have to deal with this

honestly? not my problem

it is the future me's problem!

and um i'm slightly worried about having to specify field name arrays for each struct in a file with 600 lines of code of just struct definitions but i'm sure it will be fine

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

aaaaa once again I am having to go back into the land of reading papers until I have an concrete enough idea of what to do

[tender river]

so real

[trim valve]

because now I don't know if I want to do alpha beta or MCTS

[opaque sigil]

do both

[trim valve]

or something else entirely

I have no idea how that would even work

tbh I guess they both rely on being able to quickly generate and simulate what happens in a give game state

[tender river]

the two types of theses

• "here i did this cool project take a look, here's a general overview"
• 300 pages of incomprehensible maths sprinkled with a couple jokes and life stories

[olive sable]

Does vulkan in web support tessellation?

[tender river]

theres no "vulkan in web"

there is webgpu and webgl

[olive sable]

Same thing

[tender river]

...right

[olive sable]

Webgl doesnt

But does webgpu or wgpu support it?

[trim valve]

check https://www.w3.org/TR/webgpu/

[opaque sigil]

the answer is apparently no

[olive sable]

[tender river]

wgpu does support it behind a flag but webgpu doesnt

so if you use wgpu you can use it for native builds

also the C api probably wont have it either way

wait nvm they dont have it in wgpu

misread it

[olive sable]

[tender river]

have this very useful page https://eliemichel.github.io/LearnWebGPU/advanced-techniques/tesselation.html

[olive sable]

Bwaa bwaa bwaaaaaaa

[nocturne olive]

Silly

As long as the final game runs on Firefox I don't care what's the backend

[trim valve]

well

you see

fun little fact about webgpu

[tender river]

if you use wgpu you can target webgl

so thats not an issue

[trim valve]

oh that's neat

[warped narwhal]

semicolon?

[tender river]

semicolon

[olive sable]

Im so gud, they call me mr. Gud

[trim valve]

I always love it when papers talk about the hardware being used and its some ancient pentium with 1GB of ram

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

hm I feel like online MCTS should be possible

because you should still be able to reuse your past branch explorations (assuming you explored them)

so if you're exploring the right stuff then it should be relatively inexpensive to go to the next step

[olive sable]

The problem comes when you dont explore correctly

Tbh i have no clue how to make shit predictable for your cpu

[trim valve]

yeah, I still don't have a good idea of if there's an easy way to make it reusable

like say I want to figure out what to do about this blue "attacker" coming towards me. both branches are completely valid but also imo the computation for what happens should be very similar

and I can't think of any easy way to do that

tbh I'm just drawing parallels to the way I think irl and kinda wondering if there's a way to include that in this

[trim valve]

afaik this could be an issue with mcts because they're completely different branches but both be equally likely to happen so I assume it'd explore each oppertunity equally. that makes sense, but also kinda "wastes" half the computation because it would be better if its able to focus on one and apply what it "learn" to the other option

but that feels like way too abstract of a task

though I guess there is the mildly cursed long-term approach of training some kind of rnn based off of what happens & what you observe when traversing the tree, and using that

I doubt you could do that in real time, but I guess its sort of similar to how a person would do it anyways: try your best the first time but take it slow, then incrementally you become more able to take "shortcuts" because you know what's likely to happen

if this works in any way I feel like this would be a prime candidate for cooking both my cpu and gpu

eitherway screeps is probably too complex of a place to start this on, I should probably come up with something simpler

asteroids time maybe

[opaque wharf]

I'll try to make pterodactyl eggs for screeps

Hi all, I'm back

[tender river]

this language is pretty good https://cuelang.org/

though the pitch is pretty depressing

wooow i love schema definition and configuration this is exactly what i need

all operations are commutative, associative and idempotent, a very good set of properties to have in a configuration language

[opaque wharf]

Oooff, nevermind this. I learned about how to make the eggs but I need to register my domain to setup the screeps server and check if it all works

[trim valve]

om

do you need a domain to point it at

[rough bloom]

for Screeps itself, no

it's just HTTP (or HTTPS if you want to)

[opaque wharf]

https://steamcommunity.com/dev/apikey

[trim valve]

gah

[rough bloom]

idk how it uses the Steam API but it also seems to work locally without a domain

[trim valve]

probably for signing in for something

[opaque wharf]

Probably to check client that connects to it

[rough bloom]

I guess you'd want to specify a domain that you own at least

[opaque wharf]

This. And also maybe some server discovery stuff

[opaque wharf]

I do not currently own a spare domain and I'm not gonna shill out some $$$ just to experiment with it

[rough bloom]

time to dig through the Screeps source code again to see wtf it does and if the domain is at all relevant (because I think it's not)

[opaque wharf]

The domain is not, the steam web api key does

[rough bloom]

yeah, of course

[opaque wharf]

To get the api key you need a domain. Even if the domain is not used anywhere in the code. But I don't know if you could use the steam launcher server one

Because maybe the steam launcher one doesn't need steam web api key because its somehow use steam account feature similar to the api key

For authenticating to steam

[trim valve]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-armed_bandit

I love finding new topics that relate to my ramblings

[rough bloom]

okay yeah, the domain seems to be literally just a name for the API key
the API call used by Screeps is AuthenticateUserTicket, there isn't a callback or anything

maybe there's some other endpoint that does use the domain, idk I'm not going to check the whole Steam API for it

[trim valve]

you could also probably misuse a ddns subdomain if you really need something

[opaque wharf]

I still ain't gonna use my employer domain

[rough bloom]

just type in localhost then

[trim valve]

great quote

surely this is possible

[olive sable]

I hate how when i connect to wifi i immediatly get 70 apps and 250 services sending data saturating the entire connection

[opaque wharf]

Next step from use linux is use graphene os

[olive sable]

I know

[trim valve]

I'm mildly tempted by graphene sometimes

but also I like it when my stuff just works without constant headaches

[olive sable]

Im thinking about using graphene actually

[trim valve]

(not saying whatever samsung has is better, just much more standard)

[olive sable]

I need my google play store tho

So idk

[olive sable]

One UI 6 or something?

Lemme check

Ye

I used to like samsung and be neutral to apple

Now i dislike samsung and hate apple

[opaque wharf]

Isn't there open gapps too?

[tender river]

??? how is graphene not "just works"

i mean maybe im biased as a mobile linux user but like

[trim valve]

idk I've never used it but it isn't standard so I fear I'm going to have things break everwhere

[tender river]

its literally just stock android with minor sandboxing

[opaque wharf]

Banking apps may use some shenanigans that prevent them from working outside of some bs

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

yeah I like my bank apps working

[tender river]

i dont like bank apps working

[opaque wharf]

But then again, you won't know until you tried

[olive sable]

The main thing i want is the custom wifi acces stuff.
I dont need block blast to use my wifi to load ads

[tender river]

many many years ago, when i still used android (realistically like 8 years ago), a bank employee tried to make me install their app but it didnt work because of root lol

[opaque wharf]

You should be fine then

[olive sable]

Bolt refunded my 50 bucks

Im back to not being poor

[tender river]

anyway i just use the bank website and have 0 issues

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I used to have a rooted phone too and its a PITA for some banking apps which we use here daily

[trim valve]

one of my banks is mobile only :3

(I don't use it for lots though, its more of a "I will do dumb shit with this and if it dies it dies")

[olive sable]

My bank does either

[opaque wharf]

What's that?

[olive sable]

Escooters and taxis

[opaque wharf]

Ahh

[olive sable]

When ordering a taxi to get that 3090 for superbox they took the money but nobody was willing to drive me there

Cuz it was on the edge of the city

[olive sable]

It is possible i guess?

[opaque wharf]

Interestingly enough, same service here people would be glad to take you outside of town because the traffic is more bearable and the profit margin is quite high

[trim valve]

wait just one minute

does this mean it is in fact perfectly acceptable to connect to the websocket of a running game

[rough bloom]

pretty sure that you can fully automate everything the game client does

the API is only somewhat stable but I have a feeling it's not changing anytime soon

[stark needle]

:niuh:

i had my graduation

was overhyped lol

[trim valve]

so what you're saying is that I wouldn't need to bully my screeps into telling me what's going on

but I could instead just connect to the websocket and act like a player looking around

this will certainly not have any effect on my devious thoughts for the future in regards to misusing screeps

[olive sable]

I may be sleeping under a towel in the sofa, but the hotel has a swimming pool

[inner pike]

Sleeping inside the sofa cant be comfortable

you should try sleeping on it

[olive sable]

Its a foldable sofa bed thingy

So technically im sleeping both in and on the sofa

[inner pike]

schrödingers sofa

[olive sable]

Aight imma swim

Bye

[inner pike]

[stark needle]

What if

this was actually a hidden cry for help by sam

What if the fact he stated he'd go swimming means he's fighting for his sanity in the life where he's otherwise drowning from stress

[hoary lion]

https://tenor.com/view/kaai-yuki-vocaloid-rainy-boots-inabakumori-gif-15615322684085636251

[stark needle]

And the fact he's sleeping in and on the sofa is a metaphorical profound message trying to portray how people always try to rest but never can't fully do it because their life lacks foundational stability

[hoary lion]

shadow take your meds

[opaque sigil]

are you trying to trigger school ptsd

[hoary lion]

i think you are seeing something

[gritty dust]

bye

[stark needle]

What if the fact you are challenging me is a form of modern expressionist art to comment on the broader social dynamics where even truth will be challenged

[tender river]

what if

mrooooooow

[serene briar]

Guys code BLUE chart please

I need it

[opaque wharf]

Can't

Sam is having metaphorical swim as Shad puts it

[olive sable]

The drowning from stress was true like a year or 3 ago. Now im chilling

[olive sable]

Nah this is actually a sofa

[olive sable]

You lost me

[opaque wharf]

Not trying to ended up at wikifeet huh

[olive sable]

Nope

If someone wants to see my feet they should take me out to dinnr first

[olive sable]

On the left you can see the towel i had to sleep under

[sage crag]

mrrp mrp

[opaque wharf]

From the last time I post about esoteric language AWA5.0, maybe both of you could make CAT5.0

[stark needle]

oh my god

YES

[opaque wharf]

And he buy it then used it immediately

[stark needle]

IM A BUBBLE

🫧🫧🫧🫧🫧🫧

[opaque wharf]

11 EUR tho

[sage crag]

pop bubble

[stark needle]

https://tenor.com/view/blow-bubbles-anime-gif-25752478

[stark needle]

tv

[sage crag]

i am tv

[stark needle]

rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[sage crag]

very square very vignette

im a CRT

[stark needle]

lore accurate konii

[sage crag]

thats the sound of my cathode ray tube

[stark needle]

[tender river]

im a chayleaf

[sage crag]

LEDs on CRT

[olive sable]

I love crt's

They're practically just shooting you with elektrons

[trim valve]

discord really do be making anything an avatar decoration

[olive sable]

I like this picture, idk why just looks cool

[opaque wharf]

Sam, with 50 EUR you could live for a month
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMZG6mWEcQg

[tender river]

rent

[sage crag]

i hate posix

destroy posix

[olive sable]

Cap, i could do it with 10

[tender river]

yes

[sage crag]

I JUST WANT THE KERNEL TO DO THINGS

[olive sable]

Just be homeless

[sage crag]

why do i need a bajillion magic numbers from various random header files

this is a headache

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

[tender river]

i just use https://blog.rchapman.org/posts/Linux_System_Call_Table_for_x86_64/

[sage crag]

i already have all the syscalls

i got them from a header file

[tender river]

all the syscalls

i'm scared

[sage crag]

yes

whenever i implement one of them i have to scour my drive for the relevant permission flags

all of this could have been solved if C had enums

[tender river]

if only

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

surely they werent introduced in c89

[tender river]

i will never use the new C standards

they deprecated auto

how could they

making the language unusable smh

[sage crag]

im just gonna ignore the magic numbers and if someone needs a new flag they can submit a PR

great idea

[opaque sigil]

what did the old auto even do again

[tender river]

it marked the variable as block scoped

(which is the default)

[opaque sigil]

right

[tender river]

now it's used for type inference

(C23)

and the old use is deprecated

[tender river]

i was considering skipping some fields in the lsp schema lol

[opaque sigil]

i'm still sad defer didn't make it into c23

[tender river]

c27 surely

[sage crag]

it works at least

[tender river]

i use this minimal api

File := struct {
    .fd: i32
    read := fn(self: ^@CurrentScope(), buf: []u8): Result(uint, i32) {
        res := sys.read(self.fd, buf.ptr, buf.len)
        if res < 0 return .err(@int_cast(-res))
        return .ok(@int_cast(res))
    }
    write := fn(self: ^@CurrentScope(), buf: []u8): Result(uint, i32) {
        res := sys.write(self.fd, buf.ptr, buf.len)
        if res < 0 return .err(@int_cast(-res))
        return .ok(@int_cast(res))
    }
    close := fn(self: ^@CurrentScope()): void {
        sys.close(self.fd)
    }
}

[sage crag]

i will be writing something with more indirection than this

because it needs to be system api agnostic

[tender river]

then i also have two static vars

stdin: File = .(sys.stdin)
stdout: File = .(sys.stdout)

and until lily 0.2.0 has print i use this

print := fn(x: []u8): void {
    while x.len > 0 x = x[stdout.write(x).unwrap()..]
}

println := fn(x: []u8): void {
    while x.len > 0 x = x[stdout.write(x).unwrap()..]
    while stdout.write("\n").unwrap() == 0 {
    }
}

[sage crag]

woe

[tender river]

woe is me

spent all day reading and thinking this cant be good

[tender river]

12h left on the poll
looks like i've got work to do

[olive sable]

I have no clue what any of those books are

Shader code

[opaque wharf]

I know some of those terms

[olive sable]

Oh they have a compiler, I can just use glsl

[opaque wharf]

Thanks funny internet man

[opaque wharf]

If they don't, it would be akin to writing x86 without C compiler

[trim valve]

milestone hit

[scarlet arch]

finally got the proprietary OT security software of my company running, attached my network traffic via port mirror, and holy fuck it was definitely not made to handle IT traffic

[sage crag]

what game is this

[trim valve]

tf2

[rough bloom]

for Vulkan yes
for WebGPU they have WGSL, still pretty much the same thing, just different syntax

[trim valve]

I probably have closer to 2k hours ngl

[opaque wharf]

...what?

[scarlet arch]

basically, the company I work for makes security solutions that monitor networks. After a ton of back and forth I finally got our CEO and team lead to agree to me installing our software as a VM in my private home network, so we're dogfooding more. And the software isn't made for IT networks with millions of connections happening. OT networks usually don't have internet access. Think energy, water and production companies with internal networks for all sorts of stuff. And we monitor that. But it's insanely overloaded in my IT network :D

[olive sable]

The next 2 chapters are just explaining glsl, I can skip 20 pages

[scarlet arch]

the fun part is, I already found like 8 bugs

in like.. two hours

[opaque wharf]

Thank god for that, I thought you just installed it without company permission

[scarlet arch]

• software reports TCP checksum errors
• downloads pcap
• looks inside
• no TCP checksum errors

probably some checksum offloading happening

[opaque wharf]

I suggest you still read it anyway. There may be fun bits and pieces you don't know about

[scarlet arch]

anyway time for a shower and food :D hope you guys are having a wonderful evening

[hard raptor]

Imagine implementing the power of OOP classes, with the restraints of FP

[olive sable]

I am skimming through it

They changed the ranges

-1 Y is now the top

And there is no -1 depth anyomore

[tender river]

well good thing you dont have to imagine https://unsworks.unsw.edu.au/server/api/core/bitstreams/6e76fa41-c2df-4ab1-bc48-3d7002878c7f/content

[hard raptor]

They use coordinates that shoyld make square, yet, it rectangle

I actually have a proof of concept (ironically) made in ts

[olive sable]

Ye, it's still the same computer screen, we're just mapping it differently now

[tender river]

(but also fp isnt necessarily about static typing, theres a lot of untyped fp languages)

[hard raptor]

Yeah, but i made something that should work with just plain C

No funneh go shenanigans

[tender river]

which is about as far from FP as you can get, arguably

[hard raptor]

Depends on your definition of FP

[tender river]

no

[hard raptor]

Yes

[tender river]

the definition of FP is well known

and it is not "the language has functions"

[hard raptor]

"Are we talking about functional or purely functional"
That is what i meant

[tender river]

you are confusing it with procedural programming

[tender river]

functional but not purely functional languages are lisp and ML, not C

[hard raptor]

I mean.. i haven't tested it with haskell, but what i have works within the restraints of lambda calculus, if you make some small adjustments

[rigid snow]

conditional programming

[hard raptor]

I wasn't calling C anything tho

Just saying it is almost 1:1 as what you would do in C and it follows the general constraints of what most languages that call themselves functional provide

So sorry for the misunderstanding

[rigid snow]

mhm not oop = fp

[tender river]

mhm fp = restrictions

[hard raptor]

That's not what i said....

That's also not what i said?

[rigid snow]

chill we’re joking around

[hard raptor]

Everything has some form of restrictions

[tender river]

yeah yeah omnis determinatio est negatio and all that

[hard raptor]

Oop restrictions is that it just sucks ass :KEKW:

[olive sable]

I still don't get what's so bad about it but sure

[hard raptor]

Ever had to touch java?

[olive sable]

Nope

I've done python and c++

[real sierra]

I survived work

[olive sable]

Time to check on your screeps

[stark needle]

you will not survive #programming

[olive sable]

This has to be one of the longest functions I've seen so far. VkPipelineVertexInputStateCreateInfo

[stark needle]

SpringBoot class names

[stark needle]

org.springframework.aop.framework.AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean

[olive sable]

The dots don't count

[opaque sigil]

average vulkan callback

[stark needle]

also wtf is a IntroductionAwareMethodMatcher

????

this class has social anxiety

[olive sable]

[sour harness]

I feel so justified in never wanting to learn Java

[olive sable]

The thing is, it all makes sense to me

Vulkan is not that bad

[opaque sigil]

it's just verbose

[real sierra]

not home yet

[opaque sigil]

or maybe explicit is a better word

[real sierra]

need to buy new bus pass

[trim valve]

shiro did you see, you screep schizoing from me got worse

[real sierra]

?

what did I do

[tender river]

good meowght probably read like 300-400 pages today i deserve a medal

[real sierra]

gn chay

[trim valve]

it seems like you're techically allowed to connected to the same websockets the client does

[hard raptor]

But C++ is not just locked to OOP tho

[olive sable]

Its the same shit I was doing in opengl, but I gotta actually tell the API which warcrimes I'm commiting

[olive sable]

I know

[trim valve]

which greatly simplifies potential shenanegans

[hard raptor]

A cool sword person?

[real sierra]

screeps players will do anything but play the game 🥀

[trim valve]

💔

[olive sable]

As they should

The point of coding an ai to do the game is to not do it yourself

[real sierra]

you would sooner write an AI to write your AI for you

[trim valve]

only if it doesn't gaslight me

[hard raptor]

Also i don't really get why people say C++ is so difficult... as long as i can rely on other build tools than CMake, i can pretty much do anything i want

[real sierra]

I hate c++

[olive sable]

I just use a makefile lmao

[olive sable]

Valid

[real sierra]

when I'm in a shitty syntax contest and my opponent is c++:

[warped narwhal]

Objectively incorrect opinion detected; t'is shrimply a krill issue

[hard raptor]

Same, and if i really need some dependency management i use meson

[hard raptor]

Objective and opinion usually don't work together

[real sierra]

public void func(int a, int b) = 0;

only a lunatic would defend this syntax

[olive sable]

The deeper I go into learning c++, the more disabled it feels.
At least vulkan has a good reason to do the things it does. Vulkan uses types with a fixed size

[warped narwhal]

you forgot virtual or override, also public doesn't go infront of functions

[stark needle]

what would you do

[olive sable]

I would ask you how things are progressing

You know what I mean

[stark needle]

😭 noooooooooooooooooo

[olive sable]

???

[real sierra]

still unforgivable

it's a bunch of bullshit stapled onto what was a well-designed and planned language

[stark needle]

CHAT IGNORE I DOXED MY IP ADDRESS TO BRED IT HAD AN IMPORTANT REASON

[olive sable]

Also, did you get to know what happened to the package?

[olive sable]

You seem to be doing a lot of doxing yourself, I have your address and bred has your ip

[hard raptor]

How about a

public class HelloWorld {
    public static void main(String[] args) {
        System.out.println("Hello, World!");
    }
}

[real sierra]

I like Java, it has the right ideas

if it had operator overrides it would get full marks

[hard raptor]

I hate java

[olive sable]

Superbox has my bank number and my address and probably more, but he also owes me 80 bucks so

[real sierra]

"my steak is too juicy and flavourful"

[hard raptor]

What?! That is a sentence that can't exist

[real sierra]

that's exactly how I feel

[hard raptor]

I don't hate java because of it syntax btw

[stark needle]

the ip doesnt matter cause

it's just to the closest dns proxy

[hard raptor]

I hate it cuz i am incapable of learning it

[olive sable]

True

[rigid snow]

what

[stark needle]

i dont live anywhere near where my ip says i live

[real sierra]

it's not so hard

[rigid snow]

people learn it as their first language

[real sierra]

just C with less memory shenanigans

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-skill-issue-skill-issue-gif-24471438

[hard raptor]

To me it really isn't

[stark needle]

my ip address basically covers all of zurich lmao

[hard raptor]

And i work with C on a daily basis....

[real sierra]

well to each their own, ultimately the best language is (usually) the one you're most familiar with

[rigid snow]

no it’s fucking not

[trim valve]

sorry shadow you live in a lake

[rigid snow]

it’s js for me

[olive sable]

Python

[real sierra]

amended

but I would take good JavaScript over shitty C

[rigid snow]

so true

[stark needle]

😭

[trim valve]

doxxed some poor fish's ip address

[rigid snow]

he’s filthy rich and lives on a boat and you’re laughing

[hard raptor]

How bout

%include "x86inc.asm"

SECTION .text

;static void add_values(uint8_t *src, const uint8_t *src2)  
INIT_XMM sse2  
cglobal add_values, 2, 2, 2, src, src2   
    movu  m0, [srcq]  
    movu  m1, [src2q]

    paddb m0, m1

    movu  [srcq], m0

    RET

[olive sable]

I wish

If shadow didn't make 8 bucks an hour he'd be able to sponsor me

[stark needle]

anyone wanna visit me my coordinates are 47, 8 rounded

[stark needle]

dude

i make under minimum wage

[olive sable]

Sure 😁💯😊

[stark needle]

[opaque wharf]

I have finished cooking

[olive sable]

I did actually cross one of those lines in Lisbon before.
Just had a random number on the wall at the beach "48" or something

Was cool

[rigid snow]

you obviously live off of your $749 million savings account and work for fun

[real sierra]

omg

[desert plaza]

what have you cooked

[real sierra]

compute

hello

[olive sable]

H is alive nowaying

[real sierra]

🇭

[rigid snow]

that’s a helipad shadow uses to park his helicopter

land

whatever

[real sierra]

put your helicopter in first gear when climbing steep slopes

[olive sable]

This is everything I have ever wanted, and it beautiful 🥹 🥹 🥹 🥹

[real sierra]

holy gpu pilled

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Chiken

[real sierra]

Sam when he has to process something on a measly 16 cores

[desert plaza]

mmmm chiken

[olive sable]

My current PC has 32 threads

[stark needle]

i have +10k in savings but i cant spend em on shit cause

i will need to survive

during all my school

[real sierra]

i feel that

I store up lots of savings over summer because I don't have an income for the rest of the year

if I run out of money it's gg

[opaque wharf]

I have savings to buy a house

[olive sable]

I have like 10k saved from birthdays and money from relatives. But I'll be making most of my bank from scamming the government

[stark needle]

shiro

i have to survive +7 years potentially without any income

cause of studies

[real sierra]

if you've had 25 birthdays so far then you've somehow been earning $400 per birthday since you were born

[olive sable]

I'm 17 lmao

[real sierra]

what the fuck

[opaque wharf]

50$ from 8 relative seems reasonable

[stark needle]

bro has rich ass parents

[real sierra]

I'm also in college right now

[olive sable]

My parents aren't that rich. My dad goes on vacation all the time and my mom spends it all on real estate. Grandparents is where the real money is at

[real sierra]

I take classes over fall and winter and earn money at internship over summer

[stark needle]

dude my dad

lives from the wife

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

hes the gold digger basically😭

[olive sable]

Bruh

[real sierra]

my dad used all my college savings to pay bills during covid

[opaque wharf]

The way you phrase it sounds like she isn't your mom

[real sierra]

my mom asked me for a loan recently and I had to turn her down

[stark needle]

i dont consider her my mum

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Sam just got slapped by #programming again

Just not in the context of #programming lol

[olive sable]

Wdym?

[stark needle]

my stepmum is the type of person that somehow has to pay +70k bucks in taxes at the end of the year

[opaque wharf]

...wtf?

[olive sable]

For not being poor?

Like I'm sorry

???

[opaque wharf]

Thats really rich

[real sierra]

nothing wrong with having money

[stark needle]

laugh at this user for having money

[real sierra]

gonna be helpful later

[opaque wharf]

I'm clowning on you as usual Sam

Take it easy

[olive sable]

Everything I own is 2ndhand so we aren't thaaat rich

[stark needle]

laugh at this user for not being in crippling debt

[olive sable]

I'll be making most of my money from the government the moment I turn 18

[stark needle]

same i will live off scholarships and shit

[olive sable]

I'll be getting 13k/yr, with the condition that I'm not allowed to work

[stark needle]

thats a based condition

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

So in my 3yr course that's an easy 40k

[real sierra]

13k/yr would cover basic rent and food here and that's about it

[olive sable]

That's the point

Its for people who are unable to work due to disability

[real sierra]

oooh I see

[olive sable]

I'm just (ab)using the system

[real sierra]

it's definitely possible to live off 13k/year

[olive sable]

I'm not going to spend it

That need to go to a house

[real sierra]

holy gaming the system

does beg the question tho, how are you gonna afford the house

[olive sable]

I'll be living in my mom's house and bagging that money

[opaque wharf]

13k EUR, or even 1k EUR / month is considered rich here

That's upper management level salary

[olive sable]

I will get a job, and then the disability money dissapears

Or well, no new money

[real sierra]

icic

[olive sable]

You live in Indonesia??? Tho

[opaque wharf]

Indeed

[olive sable]

Life is more expensive here

[opaque wharf]

Specialist doctor is around that wage too IIRC

[olive sable]

Leaving Indonesia must be difficult then

[real sierra]

a single private room in a unit shared with 3 others is at least $750/mo. here

[opaque wharf]

If not for work, I wouldn't even want to buy the plane ticket lol

[amber fractal]

I'm not even considering leaving this house honestly

[real sierra]

I can't stand my family so I moved out at 18

I have no intention of going back

[olive sable]

Honestly same, or I will at least try to get a good job first

Gamedev is in decline so I'm a bit worried

[opaque wharf]

Go into CS then

You can still learn gamedev usually while in CS

[olive sable]

If I reach 100k I might take out a loan and buy a house tho

[real sierra]

just study what you enjoy

[rigid snow]

game dev is not an industry you want to choose

[opaque wharf]

But the degree is more flexible

[real sierra]

dont do it for the money, nobody has a damn clue what the market will look like in 5 years

[olive sable]

I like gamedev tho, cs is boring

[real sierra]

you'll be happier with and more successful at something you like

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

ai will take our jobs, ai will take our jobs, ai will take our jobs

[olive sable]

Fair automod

Fair

[opaque wharf]

I'm just sitting here, pulling my hair doing hardware design. If AI could help me design a PCB that is not ass, then I'll gladly take the opportunity

[stark needle]

here it's like 1.2-1.4k usd converted

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

automod locked in

even I'm impressed by our blocked terms list sometimes

we've truly seen it all

[opaque wharf]

Even in other language?

[real sierra]

my figure was CAD

[opaque wharf]

[real sierra]

yes

[trim valve]

oh shiro that reminded me one of the blocked terms here is still an emote on the jp channel

[olive sable]

For y'all wondering. Its just an insult to my people

[real sierra]

(but don't test it)

[trim valve]

I'm so bad

[real sierra]

twitch rules and discord rules differ

[trim valve]

its not an emote on the main channel though but fair enough

(unless I missed it)

[real sierra]

[stark needle]

in cad here it'd be like 1.8k cad

[real sierra]

I don't touch twitch emotes

[trim valve]

fair enough

[real sierra]

bankruptcy

change server

[stark needle]

on that sus shared flat site where people post the "looking for females only 18-25 to live with me" type shit 😭

[rigid snow]

pretend to be one ez

[real sierra]

I've seen those here too

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

i'm an anime girl online on vrchat does that count

[rigid snow]

that’s the opening message

[real sierra]

i could voice a genshin character but probably not fool someone over the phone

[stark needle]

paimon voice at the phone

[olive sable]

Paimons va got replaced anyways

[opaque wharf]

Here its usually college/uni people that share flat

[olive sable]

Hopefully a guy now

Makes sense

[opaque wharf]

A house rent is like, 1.3K EUR/year

[olive sable]

Here we add a 0

If not more

[opaque wharf]

Divide that by 4 people, around 300 EUR

[opaque wharf]

1.30K

[stark needle]

@real sierra the shit i need to put up with

if i wanna move out

[olive sable]

I wish

[real sierra]

that's not your city is it

[olive sable]

Zurich

Yep

Checks out

[rigid snow]

it’s not a secret is it

[real sierra]

you really need to start considering the reality of combined information

[stark needle]

it's not in the city

its in suburbs

[opaque wharf]

What you gonna do? Visit him? IN THIS ECONOMY?

[real sierra]

individually these data points might be fine but

[olive sable]

I already have his full adress

[amber fractal]

I got this, we are not achieving rent in this eco

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

Its 200k and it's yours

I need the money

[opaque wharf]

But what? FINISH YER SENTENCE

[stark needle]

it's funny how

[real sierra]

perhaps it's just a me thing but I would not hand out my address to the 100,000 people in this server, even piecemeal

[opaque wharf]

[rigid snow]

you can achieve rent if you get hired as a rust blockchain prompt ml engineer at thestartup

[stark needle]

renting a whole flat with like 2 room costs the same as renting 1 room in a shared flat

[opaque sigil]

At that point just do the smart thing and stay with your parents

[olive sable]

Superbox and I have already fully doxxed each other to one another to send that 3090 to finland

[amber fractal]

This is cheapest, average is +400 for studio

[real sierra]

you could've used a PO box at least

[stark needle]

man i literally cant stand them

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

Nah

[opaque wharf]

So Sam could visit Superbox now and shank him

[real sierra]

how can you all be the most rational calculating people on the server and underestimate the risk so substantially

[rigid snow]

doesn’t matter if your salary is $943k as a senior blockchain rust ai engineer

[olive sable]

I ain't going to finland any time soon lmao

[real sierra]

crying baby on the bus

[opaque wharf]

Bro, if you want my country citizen identification card details + number (which contains a lot of PII since the phone number is also tied to several government identifier here), you can buy it online for around 400$ I think?

[trim valve]

bad things would never happen to me, I'm simply built different

[real sierra]

I see

no I don't

[olive sable]

Ive known superbox for a while its fine. And if it isn't the police will receive his full legal name and address, his license plate, and the Google street view of his house

[rigid snow]

why do you have his license plate

[real sierra]

mutually assured identity destruction

[olive sable]

Car was outside ig

In the streetview

[rigid snow]

shouldn’t that be blurred

[amber fractal]

Google! Your supposed to blur that!

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

Google does that automatically, sometimes they miss some

doesn't get fixed unless reported

which sam didn't do

[olive sable]

But ye anyways, 🤣

[opaque wharf]

M A I D

Maid cafe

[olive sable]

What?

I'm in but what?

[real sierra]

it was literally your idea

of course you're in

[olive sable]

Oh the abreviation

[rigid snow]

when confused “i’m in”

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

I saw maid cafe ok

[amber fractal]

The only correct gambit

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-what-where-why-how-gif-11254825541557537884

Where maid cafe?

[opaque wharf]

Have you ever been to one?

[olive sable]

Nope

We don't have those

[rigid snow]

mutually assured identity destruction cafe

[opaque wharf]

I wonder if they have maid programmer

[sage crag]

im noting a substantive lack of programming in #programming

[opaque wharf]

I just wanna ask about programmer maid at maid cafe

[olive sable]

The vulkan pipeline change you

[amber fractal]

konii is a tv

[rigid snow]

throw RottenTomato();

[sage crag]

@stark needle ur fault

[olive sable]

I'm sure some of the local woman and woman adjacent people here won't mind

@scarlet arch

We need maids

You in?

[sage crag]

ok maybe i will come back in 2 hours

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

“woman adjacent people” what

[amber fractal]

Most on topic programming convo

[opaque wharf]

I need to fry the chicken now

But I am too lazy to go to the kitchen

[olive sable]

Byter is a very cute man

[rigid snow]

i am not adjacent to a woman i’m a programmer

[scarlet arch]

If you buy the dress I'll wear it

[olive sable]

Nowaying

[scarlet arch]

To what event exactly? I didn't scroll up

[olive sable]

Maid cafe

[opaque wharf]

Specifically programmer maid cafe

[stark needle]

sowwy for the random present

[scarlet arch]

Does that mean I program there and drink coffee, or do I have to serve programmers

Cause fuck the later

[nocturne olive]

Some sort of silliness going on?

[opaque wharf]

Client-server architecture IRL

[amber fractal]

Yep

[olive sable]

Shit, I haven't thought this far

[sage crag]

please switch to serverless architecture

[olive sable]

Fuck it, we need bots to serve people

[opaque wharf]

Why not serve a programmer by solving his programming problem?

[scarlet arch]

I'll reset the fucking connection if you bother me

[olive sable]

Any mechatronics people?

[rigid snow]

aws lambda cafe

[opaque wharf]

Why do you need me...?

[olive sable]

Maid bots stat!!!

[rigid snow]

serverless architecture duh

[sage crag]

its not serverless its just lots of distributed servers

you cant split a person into many low powered compute clusters its not ethical

[opaque wharf]

I'm going to make the bot terminator style

[olive sable]

As long as you give it a maid dress it's fine

[nocturne olive]

Well, what may the silliness be?

[amber fractal]

So that is where all of the weapons are hidden

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

oh really, i thought magic and santa’s reindeer powered my lambdas, day is ruined thx

[opaque sigil]

It's powered by fargate

[olive sable]

I think the maid joke has gone far enough, konii seems to not like it

[nocturne olive]

Well, whatever you're sillying, I have no clue what it is

[olive sable]

You can come back lmao

[amber fractal]

Programming time baby
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[olive sable]

Reading the vulkan docs time baby 🐥

[real sierra]

I have just the thing this channel needs right now

I'm nearly home for screeps time

[amber fractal]

screeps

[real sierra]

[amber fractal]

unicode getting out of hand with this one

[real sierra]

gigantic cloud making angry sounds

[olive sable]

This tablet has emote combine stuff built into the keyboard

[real sierra]

I think I'll make it home right before doomsday

the blinkenlights on my weather app indicate that it's about to be very unpleasant outdoors

[opaque wharf]

Quick GIMP

[rigid snow]

hey at least it’s not genmoji

[amber fractal]

It's not genmoji yet

[opaque sigil]

Didn't they want to add that to gboard

[scarlet arch]

Termimaidor?

I tried

[olive sable]

I love how iggly always autocorrects to jiggly

[amber fractal]

Classic

[opaque wharf]

I swear to god using GIMP is a torment of its own

[real sierra]

"how do i make my program as user unfriendly as possible"

[rigid snow]

wait do they cut out the background with a separate model, why is there a white outline

[amber fractal]

go back in time and only use punchcards as input

[olive sable]

Goodnight guys

[amber fractal]

Goodnight sam

[scarlet arch]

[rigid snow]

also holy fuck it looks awful

[wide flicker]

why he only got two leg

[olive sable]

Its hideous

[amber fractal]

I'm glad it is under a spoiler tag so I don't have to look at it

[rigid snow]

yw

[olive sable]

Honestly the mods should justdelete those

I never wanne see vedal rtx or whatever it was again

K. Bye. Dont let tye screeps byte.
Ill play next week friday when im home

[real sierra]

screeps

[amber fractal]

[real sierra]

so

the good news is

they arent dead

the neutral news is

we've managed to upgrade the room controller

this has the advantage of unlocking new stuctures

[opaque wharf]

#programming now is Shiro screeps arc that replace the old Sam cursed C++. I'm all in on this one

[amber fractal]

Yeah I'm willing to support this one

[rigid snow]

curly brace positioning

[amber fractal]

{```

[real sierra]

same vibe

[half beacon]

I do not like this.

[rigid snow]

no code in your code

[half beacon]

He got code in my windings.

[rigid snow]

it pisses me off that the statements inside of the blocks aren't centered

[real sierra]

true

should've done i <= 99 to add the requisite spacing

wait no because you lose a digit

[atomic osprey]

this is beautiful but trying to work on this would be so awful

[real sierra]

i+=1 instead of i++

[atomic osprey]

every time you changed something youd have to redo all of the spacers 😭

[real sierra]

definitely needs some code auto formatting

hit enter and it makes your new box

[atomic osprey]

Ahh true

[half beacon]

This whole conversation is cursed.

[atomic osprey]

That would be pretty nifty actually

just as like an exercise

[real sierra]

my screeps code is so cursed

as a cpu-saving measure, a whole bunch of my operations are just random

because a lot of the time its cheaper to be quick even if it means doing something twice, than it is to be correct the first time

[atomic osprey]

optimized code always turns out really weird
i dont do a lot of it because i just do small hobby projects so whenever i see someone eloses really big, heavily optimized project im like

😨

What on earth!

[atomic osprey]

this kind of weird stuff is really cool to me tho

[real sierra]

i know what you mean

often its trickery that only made sense in the moment

i feel like 90% of optimizations are just

[atomic osprey]

Yeah!!

[real sierra]

caching and lazy computation

[opaque wharf]

No...

[real sierra]

both fall in the vein of "dont compute something if you dont need to"

which seems very obvious now that i think about it

[atomic osprey]

a while ago i was working on a game idea and it involved a click and drag mechanic and it was So unbelieveably buggy and i had to do so much weird stuff to get it to be decent and also run at an okay framerate
now when i look at it im like Wtf

It still doesnt really work right but its okay

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

this is how i feel about half my screeps

[atomic osprey]

a lot of times the issue (for me) is like its the same computattion but i need to convert the value and very Inconveintly i cant convert between the data types that i need

[real sierra]

my logistics unit often just

stands there

doing nothing

not idle tho

it insists that it's busy doing... something

[atomic osprey]

REAL

[olive sable]

You know what fuck you. The moment im home im commiting several c++ warcriles out of spite

[atomic osprey]

define every letter as another letter and code in a ceasar cipher

🤑

better yet: replace all the symbols too

no more = only ★

its like an aesthetically pleasing profile but its code ❤️

[gleaming harness]

Tucked in :3

[real sierra]

i think i fixed the logistics bug

i didnt upper bound the withdrawl amount by its own capacity so it was triggering the "i cant withdraw that much" error without withdrawing anything

[opaque wharf]

Congrats, you just give your screeps ADHD

[real sierra]

idea to scrape together a few more cpu

add an idle timeout

so that when a creep goes idle, it isn't reevaluated for like 5 game ticks

since usually if they're idle, it's for a period of time

[opaque wharf]

We're starting to get into the territory of future prediction/planning.forecast algorithm

[opaque sigil]

Branch predictor in JS

[opaque wharf]

JIT in JS

[real sierra]

just lowered my average CPU use by like

at least 25%

i need to be careful tho, at this point i think npc invaders should be coming soon

so i gotta start thinking about defense more

[opaque wharf]

Screeps wave strategy

Have more screeps than the enemy

[olive sable]

Ye this sofa is not comfortable

Not much sleep go be had

[real sierra]

[opaque wharf]

Ohhh, napalm

Fancy war crimes

[opaque wharf]

Then sleep on the floor

[olive sable]

No

Even worse

[opaque wharf]

Its comfy

Floor my beloved

[real sierra]

my neighbour for some reason honks every time they pull into their driveway

like bro... your family will know you're there when you open the door, chill

i on the other hand, am not interested in having my ears blown out once a day

[opaque wharf]

Do a little trolling. Install air horn and make it trigger only when he is honking

When being asked, just say it is anti intrusion alarm

[opaque sigil]

i have one of those too

[unkempt citrus]

As of today I'm an accredited engineer

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

mrrp meow

[real sierra]

ive just discovered ive been indexing into this array with two objects

and then subtracting whatever the hell that produces

and this has never once caused an error

[opaque wharf]

Undefined - undefined

[real sierra]

just improper behaviour

[opaque wharf]

NaN

[real sierra]

so you're telling me

[sage crag]

its funny when you ask people what this value is

[real sierra]

the sort function is like

"how do i order these two values"

and my function is answering

"NaN"

and sort is just

okay with this?

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[sage crag]

yes because comparisons with NaN always return false

[opaque wharf]

It is considered equal

[sage crag]

A == NaN is false
A > NaN is false
A < NaN is false

[opaque wharf]

Zero or NaN

[opaque sigil]

[real sierra]

undefined behaviour that produces no warnings or errors

[opaque wharf]

This is different

[sage crag]

and this is true for A is NaN too

[opaque sigil]

there's no undefined behaviour here, it's very well defined in fact

[real sierra]

i only spotted it because i saw some idiot creep dump its collected energy in the wrong containers

[opaque wharf]

It is defined wdym

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array/sort

[opaque sigil]

blame JS not having proper dynamic arrays

[real sierra]

im staring at this right nwo

[opaque wharf]

See? Defined and very logical

[real sierra]

there is no defined behaviour for a comparator that returns NaN

so its undefined behaviour

[sage crag]

well, it is relevant

consider sorting:
is A > B? no? so dont swap

hence the sorting is idempotent

is how i would look at it

[opaque sigil]

i'm pretty sure it's in the spec

[opaque sigil]

time to do some digging

[real sierra]

did you read what i said or what you sent

...oh wait

i didnt read what you sent

[sage crag]

nice, js is garbage

[real sierra]

ok

so its very defined behaviour

[opaque wharf]

Now, anyone else would like to complain about undefined behaviour?

[opaque sigil]

actually this isn't even a js definition, this is just NaN

oh nice they do mention it

[sage crag]

for sort purposes it is in fact a js thing, it appears

[real sierra]

everything in this array is equal, please sort it thx

[opaque sigil]

i meant comparisons with NaN

[sage crag]

mhm, those arent JS fault

IEEE :ReallyGunPull:

[real sierra]

this is my least favourite kind of bug to fix tho

the kind that is necessary but sacrifices speed

[opaque sigil]

sth sth typescript would've caught this

[sage crag]

this is true

[real sierra]

why is there no such thing as lazy sort

[opaque sigil]

it's called insertion sort

[real sierra]

you mean selection sort

[opaque sigil]

was that the one

idk

[real sierra]

i think its the one you'd want for this

but selection sort is slow

so i can see people not using it

but i think merge sort could be made lazy too

so long as you always process the smaller segment of the split first

you should discover the elements in order

so why cant i get them lazily

[sage crag]

yeah there is:

1. check if array is sorted
2. wait random amount of time
3. goto 1

[opaque sigil]

i don't think i follow