programming

[real sierra]

wtf that was fast

[tender river]

not hard

[stark needle]

battlemage

[opaque sigil]

interesting, bun runs out of memory but node ends up with a stack overflow
guess jsc does not reuse the buffer

[jagged turtle]

💀

[tender river]

chat we're behind our target of 1k s by the end of june get on it

actually the target was 1400 but we're not getting that at this point

[opaque sigil]

Not very

[warped narwhal]

How many s are we at rn?

[rigid snow]

i have noticed the usage of has fallen significantly in the last month

just an observation

[real sierra]

i will never let this emote die

[wary rover]

I’m beginning to feel like a heap_bomb, heap_bomb

[real sierra]

[tender river]

indeed, theres been 571 in may but only 968 in june

fell off

[rigid snow]

naaah that's crazy

[final tinsel]

got curious and booted up a llamafile to see what diff models would say when I ask "who is Neuro-Sama?", and Qwen3 14B did some pretty good deduction tbh

[wary rover]

does not appear to be widely recognized public figure
AI on AI slander is not only limited to Grok, huh?

[real sierra]

"neuropoghd is the best emote ever"

[sage crag]

35% of all neuropoghd's in the server's history were in this month

[rigid snow]

for some reason it feels like i see it much less lately

[tender river]

propaganda is working

it has infiltrated your daily life

it's become so normal to you you don't even notice it

[rigid snow]

[past crane]

any1 have experience forking python

im gonna mod it and I have some questions

trying to prep a game plan to make sure its stable

[real sierra]

forking python?

you dont see that every day

[sage crag]

in terms of forked languages tho

im sure its the most common one

[rigid snow]

i always wanted to fork a lua interpreter and make it more sane, but that at least seems more manageable

i would not touch python with a 10ft pole

pythons are scary snakes

[past crane]

I wanna do a pinpoint mod on the python.gram file. Which is the file that dictates syntax

And by pinpoint, I basically mean turn it into a forked DSL

[tender river]

wouldnt that be lua

[past crane]

if I put a specific import on top of a file, it means fork the syntax to instead follow custom rules. Those rules completely being custom down to the smallest detail

so rn trying to figure out how much of that file I can modify without causing cascading effects

[sonic oriole]

I have a question about streaming to everyone who streams. So I have a really good PC and I have decent Wi-Fi at best. I run a gigabyte of Wi-Fi but every time when I try to stream like very big games like expedition 33 or resident evil four remake the game runs so smoothly do my screen, but when I look at twitch, the game is so framing. Does anyone know how to deal with that cause I’ve watched so many YouTube videos changed the bit rate and done everything that every YouTuber has said?

[past crane]

it could be your streaming software and/or bitrate. what software are u using

[sonic oriole]

I use OBS and I run 1080 P with 60 frames

I’ve moved it down to 30 frames but the video quality on twitch makes it very framing, even though it’s nice and smooth on my end

I wanna believe it’s my Wi-Fi but I just upgraded recently so I really don’t know

[faint sandal]

I won't trust streaming with WiFi

[fast pagoda]

hey guise

u think this will do a good job

[real sierra]

you too are suffering i see

[fast pagoda]

of parsing the clearly json

coming from this

[jagged turtle]

[real sierra]

run length encoding mentioned?

[fast pagoda]

ye the pixel canvas is using it rn for sending the grid data to the frontend

[real sierra]

im of the opinion that the best compression scheme is just BWT then RLE repeated until the file size goes up instead of down

[faint sandal]

Bacon whopper tomato

[opaque wharf]

Or if you need compression do QOI

[fast pagoda]

he's going the distance

[sonic oriole]

Good point the only thing is if I try to get an ethernet, the wire will be annoying

And my mom wouldn’t want the wire to be from the living room to my room

Is there like something else I’m able to do

[faint sandal]

no

[sonic oriole]

Not even an adapter

[real sierra]

progress on my AI for this weird RTS, it now automatically queues units up according to some simple rules, there's currently a unit type for resource collection and a unit type for upgrading the room controller

[opaque wharf]

You can try getting one of those ethernets over powerline adapter

But I don't know how your house is wired exactly

[opaque wharf]

Simple rules are the best for swarm

[wary rover]

I feel like this game for coders is like Eurotruck Simulator for truckers

[real sierra]

two miners per energy source

always one upgrader unit

[opaque wharf]

There's also a game titled bitburner

Which yes, also needs real code to be done

[real sierra]

i tried bitburner but it was a bit too much like work

[sage crag]

i wonder who has sent the most

[real sierra]

[opaque wharf]

Yeah the lack of graphics do make it like that. They even have tutorial to use VSCode

[real sierra]

the controller is getting energy...

it's halfway to upgrading to the next level

then i can build tons of new structures

[wary rover]

I cannot help but admire people who clock out of their jobs just to go home and play My Job: The Game

[sage crag]

nesus has 566 s

just89 has 429 s

together they are about 35% of the total usage

[hoary lion]

[tender river]

doubt anyone's beating them

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[opaque wharf]

Chay crash out episode LFG

[tender river]

im fighting the compiler

and by fighting i dont mean like making it compile my code

i mean actual physical battle

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/ds-gif-15339562539745993012

[tender river]

im in so uch pain right nooooooooooooow

[opaque wharf]

I can only wish all the best to you

[sonic oriole]

That probably cost an arm and a leg betting

[fast pagoda]

clang has hands

[opaque wharf]

Well, compared to running a new cable it could be worth it

Because using powerline means you don't really need to pull new cable

[sonic oriole]

I don’t know if my mom would want to do that though

[tender river]

clangs got nothing on me

[opaque wharf]

It doesn't cause any noticeable interruption for other devices (sans radio equipment usually)

The standard is IEEE 1901

[real sierra]

update on RTS

whoever gave me the idea to track some stats like income as a metric

thank you

this was the numerical crutch i needed for constructing a strategy of some kind

[stark needle]

konii

stop counting and sleep instead

[opaque wharf]

I thought you'd have realized it the first time. A game with programming as a main mechanic and provides data just begs said data to be processed

Like that spreadsheet simulator game (was it EVE?)

[real sierra]

nah it totally went over my head the first time

[fading olive]

Yes, Eve Online has it's own Excel plugin

[real sierra]

i figured the game would provide every metric i needed via its api, otherwise i wasn't meant to do it as it'd be too performance-killing

now of course i see this is not the case

[opaque wharf]

See also: spacetraders.io

[tender river]

counting s is actually a good strategy for falling asleep

[opaque wharf]

This is not strictly a "game"

Or yes, a game but you build your own client

[real sierra]

oh i wanted some critical input on a very underused feature in this game

your units can say, in a publicly-visible chat bubble above them, arbitrary strings of text

any ideas for a good war cry

[fast pagoda]

mor wooork?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfGg3dgtmd4

i hate tailwindCSS now

[opaque wharf]

*Filtered

Could also use taunt from monty python

"Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries"

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[real sierra]

sam

did you count your before bed

ive been told it helps one sleep

[olive sable]

I actualy counted the amount of hours of sleep i will get

Which was 5

Not very fun to count

[tender river]

common misconception

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

speaking of which

any suggestions on how to target and kill enemies?

[olive sable]

Witch hunt

[real sierra]

nono i mean in this game

[tender river]

do you globally have info

on them

[real sierra]

nope

fog of war

i can only see rooms that have at least one of my units in them

[tender river]

no yeah i meant that its not units making individual decisions

[olive sable]

Bombs?

[real sierra]

oh

yeah

the AI is global

consider all units networked

im more worried about the small scale right now tho

[tender river]

you can assemble groups of units and send them to fight, plus retreat or ask for reinforcements when the enemy is too strong

[real sierra]

like, if there are enemies in a room

how do i pick which enemies my units should target

[tender river]

the key is to have good synergies and also the larger group

[real sierra]

im worried about the compute limit tho

[tender river]

probably healers first, then highest damage, then the rest

[real sierra]

a bunch of problems in this space boil down to "attack the thing closest to you"

[tender river]

idr the specifics of how units work

[real sierra]

which ends up being a not fun calculation

[ruby ice]

"sudo kill -9 <id_RKN>" does cool things. It's a pity that it doesn't work as I would like

[real sierra]

there are indeed healers

and ranged and melee units

[tender river]

so pathfinding is your main problem?

[real sierra]

pathfinding and target selection

there is built-in pathfinding which caches quite nicely

so that's not a huge concern

[tender river]

you can try incremental pathfinding, process some info on one tick and some on another

ah i see

[real sierra]

actually

one pathfinding problem is trying to get units to travel together

the built-in pathfinding works for singular units

trying to move a group in a fixed formation is much harder

i dont suppose there's a solution that would neatly wrap the fast built-in pathfinding

[opaque wharf]

Assign one unit the leader and the other target is keeping distance to said leader

[real sierra]

the issue is that the game world has impassable terrain

[tender river]

yeah i assume the issue is tight spaces and such

[real sierra]

using standard pathfinding may have the leader take a route that doesn't permit the formation

yeah

[tender river]

you can probably just assign N nearest reachable tiles around the leader

that does require basic BFS but thats not really hard

if you want you can leave gaps too

[opaque wharf]

Or just flood fill with initial value counted down

Now that I think about it Flood fill is BFS

[tender river]

if you want you can do something similar to BFS but with bias towards one or two directions too

to create various formations

[real sierra]

there is another option maybe

i can pass this to the pathfinder

with this i think i can set all the tiles neighbouring impassable tiles within a certain range as impassable as well

then i can pathfind the center of my formation

[tender river]

then some passable terrain may become impassable

[real sierra]

[opaque wharf]

I think this is preferred than an impassable marked as passable

[real sierra]

i dont actually think this is true

for simplicity, if im moving a 3x3 block

[tender river]

no please believe my misinformation

[real sierra]

then wherever i place the center of this block, it's either overlapping with impassable terrain or not

shouldnt be anything falsely marked as impassable

so then i just pathfind over the tiles that remain after setting any unfit tiles to max pathfinding cost

and the path that results should be one that would be valid for this 3x3 square to traverse

then i just fit my units into a 3x3 square and i win

[tender river]

cost isnt boolean its a number so you can probably just /2 nearby tiles

[olive sable]

[tender river]

### ###
### ###

XXX
XXX
XXX

anyway
# = terrain, X = your units

here you cant move them in a 3x3 square through the tunnel but you can make them temporarily go into the tunnel and form a square again on the other end

[real sierra]

that seems rather hard to coordinate

[tender river]

this is easily achievable through bfs

[real sierra]

having the units disassemble and reassemble sounds painful

[olive sable]

Bfs
(Idk boy that is but sure)

[tender river]

its not actual disassembling and reassembling its them moving as close as possible to the center unit

which is usually just a square

but not a square in case it cant be a square

[opaque wharf]

You'll have to deal with it either way if the tunnel is the only passage

[real sierra]

but i dont want to track all that state...

[tender river]

you dont have to you can compute it as necessary

[opaque wharf]

Breadth First Search

As opposed to Depth First

[olive sable]

Breds first search

What is bred searching for?

[opaque wharf]

Bred catchings strays

[olive sable]

@trim valve any comment?

[opaque wharf]

Compute cost

[real sierra]

i didnt wanna say it

[olive sable]

[tender river]

i would think bfs is not much more expensive than just putting them in a 3x3 grid

[olive sable]

Just guesstimate, its fine

Probably

[real sierra]

guesstimate

[opaque wharf]

if (willPassThroughTunnel) {
  dont();
}

[real sierra]

honestly maybe i can worry less about cpu limit than i am

im only using 2% of my cpu limit right now

with 8 units running around

[olive sable]

Shiro wanting to minmax compute

[real sierra]

i sure do

the game only allocates me limited compute per tick

[opaque wharf]

Also you can always switch strategy midways

[real sierra]

if i exceed that limit, my script stops running

and then my state is ruined

[opaque wharf]

When focusing on combat or exploration or resource collection

[real sierra]

scary

then i have to figure out an algorithm for when to switch

sounds like 4 hours in MS paint drawing diagrams

[opaque wharf]

Let neuro-sama decide

[real sierra]

add neuro sama

[tender river]

make them dump your entire game state in public chat (opsec be damned) and hook up neuro to read the public chat

[real sierra]

i did see a really weird feature earlier

you can mark segments of your memory as public

and then other players can read it

seems bizarre

[tender river]

probably for clans

wait its just public

[real sierra]

cant think of many uses for it solo, but i guess with friends you can export your vitals with a one-time pad or something

[opaque wharf]

Or flexing

[real sierra]

yeah its just public

[tender river]

well you can use encryption i guess

[real sierra]

yeah

just one-time pad it and you win

share a fixed key with your counterparts

[tender river]

one-time pad requires a single-use key

[real sierra]

nahhhhh its fine

nobody will read into it that far

[tender river]

otherwise its not one-time

[real sierra]

ok then how about

[tender river]

aes-256-cbc?

[real sierra]

n

needs to be extremely lightweight

[opaque wharf]

Chacha it is

[real sierra]

probably just instantiate an LCG and take the nth element as an xor key, with n = current game cycle

true one-time pad

[opaque wharf]

Me when I get the seed

[real sierra]

dont publish the code

            let selected = energyStructures.find((structure) => structure.structureType == STRUCTURE_STORAGE);
            if (!selected) selected = energyStructures.find((structure) => structure.structureType == STRUCTURE_CONTAINER);
            if (!selected) selected = energyStructures.find((structure) => structure.structureType == STRUCTURE_EXTENSION);
            if (!selected) selected = energyStructures.find((structure) => structure.structureType == STRUCTURE_SPAWN && structure.store.getFreeCapacity(RESOURCE_ENERGY) == 0)

is there a better way to do this

[tender river]

for loop and find all four at once, breaking if you found STORAGE

[real sierra]

is for loop faster

[tender river]

or rather, find just one but use a comparison function

[real sierra]

usually built-in iterators are better, aren't they?

[opaque wharf]

From latest benchmark I know, yes

[real sierra]

how did js go so wrong

[tender river]

does js have a function that finds the minimal value in a list using a custom comparator

[real sierra]

you could use a reduce

[opaque wharf]

Js have .find

[opaque wharf]

Or yes this

[tender river]

well, unfortunately for loop it is

[real sierra]

oh wait i have an even better one

nvm i cant find it now

thank god i removed it

it was a gross chain of maps and filters

[tender river]

let found = {};
const lookup = { [STRUCTURE_SPAWN]: 1, [STRUCTURE_EXTENSION]: 2, [STRUCTURE_EXTENSION]: 3, [STRUCTURE_STORAGE]: 4 };
for (const item of energyStructures) {
   if (lookup[item.structureType] > lookup[found.structureType]) {
     if (item.structureType === STRUCTURE_SPAWN && structure.store.getFreeCapacity(RESOURCE_ENERGY) !== 0) continue;
     found = item;
     if (item.structureType == STRUCTURE_STORAGE) break;
   }
}

[real sierra]

OUTSOURCING

[opaque wharf]

Bigger than undefined

[real sierra]

why do we set found to {}

to begin

[tender river]

oh right 1 > undefined is false

then set found to {structureType: null}

wait no thats not how it works

[opaque wharf]

Or Numbers.negativeinfinity

[tender river]

the original is fine

[opaque wharf]

Wait, is it?

[tender river]

no it isnt

[real sierra]

[tender river]

you also have to add null to lookup or whatever

[opaque wharf]

Imma move to the desktop just for this chay

[real sierra]

[tender river]

idk shiro figure it out

[real sierra]

im working on other code while you guys solve this

go team

[tender river]

im working on json rpc actually i just remembered i solved it and am waiting on a compiler bugfix so um im reading the hott book

[olive sable]

Nah someone put their water bottle in the x-ray machine

He be drinking that irradiated H2O

[real sierra]

🔬 mhm theres water in this water

[opaque wharf]

enum StructureType {
    STRUCTURE_STORAGE,
    STRUCTURE_CONTAINER,
    STRUCTURE_EXTENSION,
    STRUCTURE_SPAWN
}

enum ResourceType {
    RESOURCE_ENERGY
}

interface Structure {
    structureType: StructureType
    store: {
        getFreeCapacity(type: ResourceType): number
    }
}

const energyStructures: Structure[] = []

let selected = energyStructures.find((structure) => structure.structureType == StructureType.STRUCTURE_STORAGE);
if (!selected) selected = energyStructures.find((structure) => structure.structureType == StructureType.STRUCTURE_CONTAINER);
if (!selected) selected = energyStructures.find((structure) => structure.structureType == StructureType.STRUCTURE_EXTENSION);
if (!selected) selected = energyStructures.find((structure) => structure.structureType == StructureType.STRUCTURE_SPAWN && structure.store.getFreeCapacity(ResourceType.RESOURCE_ENERGY) == 0)

Just finished typing it out first

Sheesh, just compile ts next time and copy paste the result lol

enum StructureType {
    STRUCTURE_STORAGE,
    STRUCTURE_CONTAINER,
    STRUCTURE_EXTENSION,
    STRUCTURE_SPAWN
}

enum ResourceType {
    RESOURCE_ENERGY
}

interface Structure {
    structureType: StructureType
    store: {
        getFreeCapacity(type: ResourceType): number
    }
}

const energyStructures: Structure[] = []

let selected: Structure | null = null
for (let i = 0; i < energyStructures.length; i++) {
    const structure = energyStructures[i];
    const { structureType } = structure;
    
    if ([StructureType.STRUCTURE_CONTAINER, StructureType.STRUCTURE_EXTENSION, StructureType.STRUCTURE_STORAGE].includes(structureType)) {
        selected = structure
        break;
    }

    if (structureType === StructureType.STRUCTURE_SPAWN && structure.store.getFreeCapacity(ResourceType.RESOURCE_ENERGY) === 0) {
        selected = structure
        break;
    }
}

[tender river]

this has different semantics though so it doesnt really work

[opaque wharf]

Is it counted by the # of operation?

The compute cost I mean

[uneven pulsar]

Im scared, what does this mean?

[opaque wharf]

Oh, I misunderstood the original code

[real sierra]

compute is measured in cpu time i believe

[opaque wharf]

But also, wtf are you doing shiro

[real sierra]

[opaque wharf]

In the original code

[real sierra]

i have units that need to fill their energy stores before using it on whichever tasks they have

at different phases in the game, different storage structures are available

some more preferred than others for withdrawls like this

spawns in particular require their energy for creating new units, so its not ideal to drain that completely; thus i thought it reasonable to only sap their energy reserves if they are full

[opaque wharf]

Oh so it's just finding the most preferred structure from the whole list

[real sierra]

yeah

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I definitely misunderstood that one big time lol

[real sierra]

oops

[opaque wharf]

May not be obvious but don't forget to check the length of the energyStructure list and the first item if its already the most preferred one. Also perform additional check inside the if if it is a spawn

enum StructureType {
    STRUCTURE_STORAGE,
    STRUCTURE_CONTAINER,
    STRUCTURE_EXTENSION,
    STRUCTURE_SPAWN
}

enum ResourceType {
    RESOURCE_ENERGY
}

interface Structure {
    structureType: StructureType
    store: {
        getFreeCapacity(type: ResourceType): number
    }
}

const energyStructures: Structure[] = []

let selected: Structure = energyStructures[0]
for (let i = 1; i < energyStructures.length; i++) {
    const structure = energyStructures[i];
    const { structureType } = structure;

    if (selected.structureType > structureType) {
        selected = structure
    }
}

If the StructureType is not enum in your preferred order/cost then perform the lookup

[real sierra]

thank you very much

[opaque wharf]

You can also break early when you've found the most preferred structure

[real sierra]

i wasnt too worried about that for now, as the most preferred structure is very late-game

but certainly later on that's a good optimization

[opaque wharf]

Man, my tism just making me wanted to optimize it now lol. Wait

I believe this is all of the optimization that I mentioned

enum StructureType {
    STRUCTURE_STORAGE,
    STRUCTURE_CONTAINER,
    STRUCTURE_EXTENSION,
    STRUCTURE_SPAWN
}

enum ResourceType {
    RESOURCE_ENERGY
}

interface Structure {
    structureType: StructureType
    store: {
        getFreeCapacity(type: ResourceType): number
    }
}

const COST_LOOKUP = {}
COST_LOOKUP[StructureType.STRUCTURE_STORAGE] = 0
COST_LOOKUP[StructureType.STRUCTURE_CONTAINER] = 1
COST_LOOKUP[StructureType.STRUCTURE_EXTENSION] = 2
COST_LOOKUP[StructureType.STRUCTURE_SPAWN] = 3

const energyStructures: Structure[] = []

if (energyStructures.length > 0) {
    let selected: Structure = energyStructures[0]
    let selectedCost = COST_LOOKUP[selected.structureType]
    if (selectedCost !== 0) {
        for (let i = 1; i < energyStructures.length; i++) {
            const structure = energyStructures[i];
            const { structureType } = structure;
            const currentCost = COST_LOOKUP[structureType]

            if (currentCost < selectedCost) {
                if (structureType === StructureType.STRUCTURE_SPAWN) {
                    if (structure.store.getFreeCapacity(ResourceType.RESOURCE_ENERGY) === 0) {
                        selected = structure
                        selectedCost = COST_LOOKUP[selected.structureType]
                    }
                } else {
                    selected = structure
                    selectedCost = COST_LOOKUP[selected.structureType]
                }
            }

            if (selectedCost === 0) {
                break
            }
        }
    }
}

[real sierra]

i would be scared to be your neighbour in this game

[opaque wharf]

Nah, I'll just write some code and then forget the game exists after a while

[real sierra]

if you write good enough code that's a perfectly valid strategy

there's api functions to send yourself emails if interesting things do happen

[opaque wharf]

Don't pull me to the game again now

[real sierra]

if you let me get too far ahead i'll be unstoppable

ive got them placing roads automatically now

[opaque wharf]

Someone should host a fan server so #programming can have competition sometime

[real sierra]

if i had a server pc id totally do that

i think we could rope tons of people here into it

i can already see the 50 creep "Evil's Holy Army" detatchment showing up to steamroll some poor guy trying to learn javascript

[real sierra]

switched from private server to official server

the CPU limit here is 20 instead of 100

[olive sable]

I have a pc left, but i dont write javascript so nah

[real sierra]

nor do i

its just like weird python

[tender river]

[olive sable]

I can look into it when im back maybe

Server pc will be used for the gamejam probably anyways

[real sierra]

ooh

i found some eye bleach code

// finds the nearest empty construction tile around the given position
    findConstructionTileNear: function(room, x, y) {
        const areaData = room.lookAtArea(Math.max(0, y-20), Math.max(0, x-20), Math.min(49, y+20), Math.min(49, x+20));
        let r = 1;
        while (r <= 20) {
            // dy = -r
            for (let dx = -r; dx <= r; dx += 2) {
                const dy = -r;
                if (x+dx < 0 || x+dx > 49) continue;
                if (y+dy < 0 || y+dy > 49) continue;
                const conflicts = areaData[y+dy][x+dx];
                if (conflicts.every(function (c) {
                    return (c.type == 'terrain' && c.terrain != 'wall');
                })) {
                    return {x: x+dx, y: y+dy};
                }
            }
            // dy = r
            for (let dx = -r; dx <= r; dx += 2) {
                const dy = r;
                if (x+dx < 0 || x+dx > 49) continue;
                if (y+dy < 0 || y+dy > 49) continue;
                const conflicts = areaData[y+dy][x+dx];
                if (conflicts.every(function (c) {
                    return (c.type == 'terrain' && c.terrain != 'wall');
                })) {
                    return {x: x+dx, y: y+dy};
                }
            }
            // dx = -r
            for (let dy = -r; dy <= r; dy += 2) {
                const dx = -r;
                if (x+dx < 0 || x+dx > 49) continue;
                if (y+dy < 0 || y+dy > 49) continue;
                const conflicts = areaData[y+dy][x+dx];
                if (conflicts.every(function (c) {
                    return (c.type == 'terrain' && c.terrain != 'wall');
                })) {
                    return {x: x+dx, y: y+dy};
                }
            }
            // dx = r
            for (let dy = -r; dy <= r; dy += 2) {
                const dx = r;
                if (x+dx < 0 || x+dx > 49) continue;
                if (y+dy < 0 || y+dy > 49) continue;
                const conflicts = areaData[y+dy][x+dx];
                if (conflicts.every(function (c) {
                    return (c.type == 'terrain' && c.terrain != 'wall');
                })) {
                    return {x: x+dx, y: y+dy};
                }
            }
            r++;
        }
        console.log("Failed to find an empty building spot around ("+x+", "+y+") in room "+room.name);
        return null;
    },

thoughts

[tender river]

who needs functions when you have copy paste

i approve

[real sierra]

loops are expensive

copy paste is free

[tender river]

is that what you needed a spiral for

[real sierra]

chayleaf you see right through me

[tender river]

[opaque wharf]

[real sierra]

ok well i got my code in a place im happy (?) with

time to let it simmer for a night and see how far it gets by tomorrow

chose the worst starting room humanly possible too, just to stress test it (i wasnt paying attention at all)

thank you all for your help, may my screeps grow up strong and healthy

[tender river]

i'm so sorry i got bored of the book

// finds the nearest empty construction tile around the given position
    findConstructionTileNear: function(room, x, y) {
        const areaData = room.lookAtArea(Math.max(0, y-20), Math.max(0, x-20), Math.min(49, y+20), Math.min(49, x+20));
        for (let i = 1; i <= 40; ++i) {
            const delta = i % 2 ? 1 : -1;
            for (const vertical of (i === 40 ? [false] : [false, true])) {
                for (let j = 0; j < i; ++j) {
                    if (x >= 0 && x <= 49 && y >= 0 && y <= 49 && areaData[y][x].every(c => c.type === 'terrain' && c.terrain !== 'wall')
                        return { x, y };
                    if (vertical) y += delta;
                    else x += delta;
                }
            }
        }
        console.log("Failed to find an empty building spot around ("+x+", "+y+") in room "+room.name);
        return null;
    }

[opaque wharf]

TIL of Array.every()

[olive sable]

Time for more vulkan teading in the plane

Going on vacation means turning battery protection off and power saving on

Im already on 50% at 8am like damn

[amber fractal]

The pipeline is real boys

[hoary lion]

i love torturing myself with math

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[hoary lion]

smol plane

relatively

node 18 eol

[noble zodiac]

ryanair o7

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

Welp, going dark

Ill be back in like 2-3 hours

Unless i crash and die

[amber fractal]

Take this imaginary :bwaadow: on your trip

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

It'll serve you well

[olive sable]

If i die carry me legacy on

And make shadow do the thing

[amber fractal]

You got it

[olive sable]

Bye

[hoary lion]

[stark needle]

Bro's never to be seen again 😭

[tight tinsel]

llc tag!!!

[stark needle]

llc

[hoary lion]

https://tenor.com/view/joseph-joestar-crying-sebastian-jojo-gif-14208428758606164405

lilac noo

[stark needle]

yea

thats what happens

when u don't buy into my crypto coin

[hoary lion]

DONT make marketable plusified lilac into marketable playdough figure

[hoary lion]

mods

do something 😭

[tender river]

also shiro the optimal way to look for the closest tile is not spiraling through a regular square but spiraling through a square rotated by 45 deg

like this

####4####
###434###
##43234##
#4321234#
432101234
#4321234#
##43234##
###434###
####4####

(incidentally, or rather not incidentally, this is precisely the bfs visit order)

and didnt know you were british

[hoary lion]

anyway

gn

[tender river]

exercise for the shiro: test this code and fix it if it's broken
good luck

// finds the nearest empty construction tile around the given position
    findConstructionTileNear: function(room, x, y) {
        const areaData = room.lookAtArea(Math.max(0, y-20), Math.max(0, x-20), Math.min(49, y+20), Math.min(49, x+20));
        if (areaData[y][x].every(c => c.type === 'terrain' && c.terrain !== 'wall')) return { x, y };
        for (let r = 1; r <= 20; ++r) {
            for (let x0 = 0; x0 < r; ++x0) {
                const y0 = r + 1 - x0;
                for (const [x, y] of [[x + x0, y + y0], [x + x0, y - y0], [x - x0, y + y0], [x - x0, y - y0]]) {
                    if (x >= 0 && x <= 49 && y >= 0 && y <= 49 && areaData[y][x].every(c => c.type === 'terrain' && c.terrain !== 'wall'))
                        return { x, y };
                }
            }
        }
        console.log("Failed to find an empty building spot around ("+x+", "+y+") in room "+room.name);
        return null;
    }

[trim valve]

[uneven pulsar]

I am pretty mutch fucked up

It literally got destroyed

[maiden grotto]

rip

[olive sable]

I am alive

[rigid snow]

if not a secret where did you go

[rigid snow]

or are you going

[olive sable]

I am in dubrovnick now

[rigid snow]

croatia

have you sent the gpu to superbox already

[olive sable]

My mom is doing it

[rigid snow]

cool, i thought you bought it and left instantly

[olive sable]

It will be like 35 bucks shipping.
I originaly thought 14 but once you over 2kg its 20 bucks extra

WeeeeeeeWaLaWaLa(*≧ω≦)

[stark needle]

bro survived the 1% survival chance ryanair boeing😭

[olive sable]

Lake

Mountains

[stark needle]

drink it

[olive sable]

Anyways, im 85/288 pages into the vulkan docs thing.

Still havent seen a single vertex being uploaded

It doesnt seem to not be that difficult actually, just need to specify a lot of data

And the devug stuff needs to all be done manually

[safe path]

is anyone on xdg-desktop-portals-hyprland, can u confirm that individual window screensharing works

[dry charm]

I can switch on Nix if you want

takes a good minute

[safe path]

nah don't bother then, ill just test it directly

[dry charm]

There were others who were using hyprland here iirc

Wait, I can just build it in a VM

[trim valve]

i should try linux w/ hyprland at some point

every past attempt in a vm has been less than successful

[scarlet arch]

speaking of desktop portal: It works in the dev-only communication thing we use (GatherTown), but the moment I try to share something in Teams it craps itself. even pulls down everything with it so my webcam dies too

amazing software

and it's not even like my setup is... exotic. Arch with KDE and Firefox lol.

[real sierra]

good morning programming

I'm so tempted to turn on my computer just to check on my screeps

feels like I got a new goldfish or something

and have to check on it every 5 mins to see if it magically died while I wasn't looking

[safe path]

yeah there were many-a-times i wanted to just switch to x11 because of desktop portal issues

i would never experience these problems if i used gnome or plasma i think, since their desktop portal implementation is actually complete

but i want to use sway!!!

!!!!!

[unkempt citrus]

wait you went to sleep? at what point

[ruby timber]

"hey chat can you look over my screeps for a minute I'll be back"

[olive sable]

This hotel has a dentist

[real sierra]

a few hours ago

[olive sable]

"A few hours ago"
-> only slept a few hours

[real sierra]

it is what it is

(that's my coping mechanism activating btw)

[safe path]

unrelated note, whoever named their library libmagic needs a prize

[olive sable]

🏆

Now we have 2 mods who are active in #programming

[real sierra]

I like it in here

ok I need to go check on my screeps

the temptation is killing me

[olive sable]

Bro is an addict

[real sierra]

hello from pc

it looks like something broke

they're still alive but the builders aren't building]

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

huh screeps looks neat

[real sierra]

oh

i typed "move" instead of "moveTo"

[dry charm]

Oooh, we can host a Neurocord server

[real sierra]

it actually does support private servers

the server backend is open source too

looks like that was my only bug

the builders are working now, constructing roads and stuff

[trim valve]

[real sierra]

yeah the cpu unlock is pretty useful

but not necessary

you just need to write really efficient code without it

you can earn temporary cpu unlocks through in-game economy tho

[trim valve]

neat

[real sierra]

yeah

[trim valve]

it does overall look like a nice game

[real sierra]

i may need to go back through and optimize my code tbh

[trim valve]

shame its javascript but it also fully makes sense

[real sierra]

im at a baseline 3/20 cpu right now

[real sierra]

its super cool, well worth the money i think

ive certainly gotten my time out of it

[trim valve]

I might consider it

[real sierra]

yeah, theres transpilers if you really wanna write in other langs

[trim valve]

it mentioned wasm somewhere

[real sierra]

https://docs.screeps.com/third-party.html#Languages-Support

[trim valve]

but I have no idea how "efficient" that is

[real sierra]

wasm is pretty efficient as a language

not sure how it translates into screeps

but seen as screeps is browser-based, i cant see it being inefficient

the CPU limit is in milliseconds, so if it's strictly faster then you're good

[trim valve]

hm

[dry charm]

wait is it running in-browser?

how does it emulate offline then

[real sierra]

its an embedded browser i believe

kinda like the discord app

[dry charm]

Yeha Iguess that it is electron

[real sierra]

offline it probably just spins up a local webserver

[dry charm]

Or it doesn't even run in your browser

and run the code on the server all the time

[real sierra]

i dont think that part is true

i think it can run locally in private

[dry charm]

by the description you need a local server

[real sierra]

https://docs.screeps.com/architecture.html

[trim valve]

ah so the server runs the scripts in a sandbox, that makes sense

[dry charm]

So everything is calculated on server via sandbox

yeah

[real sierra]

the actual server is here https://github.com/screeps/screeps

[dry charm]

For the future, we plan to open-source the code of all the system for you to launch Screeps simulation on your local machine and study it.
HOLY BASED

I wish I had 100€ to spare

[unkempt citrus]

Look, I get you're excited for your birthday today (happy birthday) but sleeping is important

[real sierra]

showing up to work on time is also important

[dry charm]

this is exactly the project mindset I do not mind supporting with 100€

[real sierra]

AND ITS NOT MY BIRTHDAY

[unkempt citrus]

Then sleep earlier

[real sierra]

the base game is super cheap right now

50% off

and it was only a few dollars to begin with

[dry charm]

I have 5€ on my card right now

[trim valve]

[dry charm]

The bottom one I assume so you have more processing power on the server

cycles and stuff

[trim valve]

yeah

[real sierra]

but that only applies to the official server

if you host a private or community server, there can be no limits

[dry charm]

self hosted server has unlimited / pre-configured amount

[trim valve]

its mildly weird to me how it measures execution time but it makes sense

esp w/ using javascript

[dry charm]

imagine a NeuroCord tournament

[trim valve]

iirc someone made a similar game in rust but you compile to risc-v and it uses qemu to run stuff

[real sierra]

id lose

this game is waaaaaaaay too deep in its features

[trim valve]

which is obviously a lot better for measuring stuff like cycles

[real sierra]

and waaaaaay too granular

no idea how to optimise any of this

[unkempt citrus]

Rts gamers

[real sierra]

for one, all units are modular

you choose any set of parts from which to assemble them

[trim valve]

https://kartoffels.pwy.io/

just realised I replied to the wrong message but point still holds

[real sierra]

well if someone does end up playing this game and getting addicted and starting a private server

i would be interested

i will most certainly lose

but i would be interested

[trim valve]

at some point someone here mentioned doing group programming "competitions" like that but I don't think it really took off enough

[real sierra]

this would be an entertaining way to facilitate that

its basically a coding contest with a very amusing success metric

[trim valve]

tbh my only worry is I do the same thing I did with galadiabots and quickly lose interest instead of getting really involved

[real sierra]

for me its easy to keep interest because there's so much depth

[stray dragon]

i would offer to host it on my computer but proxmox is rather unstable and i'm still getting dangerous crashes every so often

[real sierra]

its easy to start with baby steps

like making a single unit

telling them to go get energy from a source when they're empty

and telling them to deposit it at spawn when they're full

but you naturally run into new issues as you grow

[trim valve]

:mhm:

[real sierra]

like how to construct roads

how to construct defenses

[stray dragon]

i see

[real sierra]

how many of each unit to make

what your units should actually look like

[stray dragon]

so it's not just "make a solution for everything all at once"

[real sierra]

yeah

[stray dragon]

it's one problem at a time

[real sierra]

i think the way to go about it is gradual

my personal metric for success is how big can i get my colony

[trim valve]

ig compared to galadiabots there's a lot less luck involved / points you'd get stuckk on

[real sierra]

the main bottleneck for that changes as i play

[trim valve]

whereas this seems more like an optimization game

[real sierra]

there are some extra features like "starter rooms" and "safe mode" which help you get off the ground without getting rolled

NPC invaders wont show up until you reach a sufficiently high room control level

and late-game there's tons of advanced features, like crafting and player markets

plenty to chew on for a while

but you can ignore almost all of it at the beginning which i appreciate

[trim valve]

honestly the more I look at how the cpu works the more it actually looks kinda neat

[real sierra]

hooked one

[trim valve]

I kinda like how it models the ability to burst

😭

[real sierra]

very useful for combat encounters

tactical maneuvering is expensive

too many distance checks

always tanks my cpu

[trim valve]

I'll sit on getting the game for now, but it defo could be something I enjoy

[real sierra]

ill keep blabbering about my progress and sending screenshots until you buy it

over the course of a few days, that is

[trim valve]

oh actually there's a free web demo isn't there

[real sierra]

is there?

[trim valve]

[real sierra]

and they released a live demo

[rough bloom]

the Screeps server isn't packaged for Nix yet, it's neurover
maybe I'll give it a shot too, I knew of the game for years but your yapping has slightly motivated me

[real sierra]

this makes like

4 people interested

that's already enough to justify a neurocord server

and @safe path will play too right vanor

and @rare bridge

you'll both play screeps with us?

🥺

[safe path]

uuh

[real sierra]

[rare bridge]

[safe path]

i accidentally deleted my entire .config directory

[real sierra]

that's ok you don't need it ❤️

[trim valve]

playing through the tutorial I have no idea exactly how much I'd enjoy it

I think it probably would be fun I just need to read a bunch of docs beforehand 😭

[olive sable]

I feel like the cpu lock is one of the fun parts. Minmaxing performance

Im down to set up a server and play in 2 weeks or so

[real sierra]

start small

[trim valve]

I get the feeling a lot of the game is going to revolve around coming up with better strategies instead of brute force optimizing code

[real sierra]

make a single unit then figure out how to make it move places

[trim valve]

nah I mean I like reading docs

[olive sable]

That too ye

[real sierra]

same but there's too many docs for this

trust

[trim valve]

because then I avoid doing some really roundabout strat

[real sierra]

well I guess not that many but

[trim valve]

yeah that's valid

[real sierra]

the majority are not needed

you'll be referencing the docs for Creep, Room and StructureSpawn religiously

the rest are occasional

[trim valve]

true

[opaque wharf]

Y'all gotta love https://spacetraders.io then

[olive sable]

What is diffrence between world and arena?

[trim valve]

I think world is just a massive map with a bunch of players that evolves overtime

and arena is more of a battle, so rounds probably have an end condition

[olive sable]

Which one do i need to buy?

[opaque wharf]

What?

[real sierra]

I'm playing world

world is the MMO one with the online map

idk about arena

I need to avoid the pitfall I made last time of "wow this worked so well in my head but I didn't realize how many details I glossed over"

[olive sable]

Bought it

[real sierra]

now I get to poach your concrete solutions to my issues

be sure to post all your code

[olive sable]

I have never written a single line of js in my life

[real sierra]

it's ok it's just python and java squished together

[olive sable]

I have never written a single line of js java in my life

[opaque wharf]

Use typescript, stay sane

[olive sable]

I have never written a single line of js java typescript in my life

[real sierra]

java is just a messed up C#

with a bunch of vital features absent

[olive sable]

Which i also

You get the point

[real sierra]

they're all just

C with headaches removed

[olive sable]

I think they support wasm?

[real sierra]

they do (maybe?) idk how to use it tho

RTFM

[olive sable]

I think il just do c++ to wasm maybe

[real sierra]

you'll have to see which languages have third party wrappers around the screeps API

otherwise you're gonna suffer

[rigid snow]

write the bindings yourself

[real sierra]

^

[olive sable]

Hmmm

Aybe not

Idk

Ill see

[real sierra]

I didn't know JS when I bought the game either

was a great way to learn

[olive sable]

I might just watch a suick tutorial on js and wing it

[real sierra]

that's the way to do it

[trim valve]

yeah I will say you're probably not gonna be getting hit with too much js weirdness

[real sierra]

just remember to put "let" before your variables

[olive sable]

It cant be that hard
Cant be harder than vulkan at least

[real sierra]

try not to get "in" and "of" confused

[rigid snow]

no use const

[trim valve]

I'd personally write typescript instead of javascript but I am a sucker for types

[opaque wharf]

const as const my beloved

[rigid snow]

it isn’t you’re right

[rigid snow]

still doesn’t make the actual object immutable

all smoke and mirrors

[real sierra]

I do but when I started I forgot to use either

[opaque wharf]

At least it will have better type inference

[real sierra]

typescript overrated just write good code

first compile 0 errors

hmmm

I wonder about the merit of using turrets vs creeps for defense

creep lifespan gives them an inherent upkeep

so turrets might be more cost effective in the long run

oh turrets are expensive

I probably need to actually use the creep refresh feature for more expensive units, they're not worth losing and remaking

[sage crag]

mrrp mrp meow

[real sierra]

now I'm not sure actually, refreshing them is pricy

might be more expensive than making them anew

economy is hard

[opaque wharf]

Shiro is procrastinating from the real issue of his embedded project

[real sierra]

but the turret count limit is harder

[real sierra]

perhaps I was using the embedded project to procrastinate from this all along

[scarlet arch]

[opaque wharf]

Any idea of what to eat for dinner?

[real sierra]

chars

they're byte-sized

[scarlet arch]

If they're utf8, be careful not to bite between unicode boundaries

[trim valve]

honestly I can't tell if I want to play screeps or just yearning to play factorio without realising

[scarlet arch]

Bred

[opaque wharf]

The factories is calling

[real sierra]

I want to play screeps but have to go to work

why can't I just get paid to play screeps

[pastel nymph]

Does anyone here have experience using C# in cursor? Is it possible to make intellisense have a function descriptions? For reference, 1st screenshot is vsc, 2nd is cursor

[trim valve]

just become a really popular screeps streamer

I'm sure it makes great content and isn't just boatloads of planning

[shadow sinew]

Akchually the size of char is platform dependent. There's some DSPs where a char is 16 bit.

[sage crag]

youre probably missing an extension

[real sierra]

get vedal to play it and then the funds will trickle down

[sage crag]

provided chars are utf encoded they may span multiple bytes regardless

char is just a language abstraction of course

[pastel nymph]

I'm sure C# Dev Kit would fix the problem, but it's not available in cursor

[sage crag]

edit your product.json, i assume cursor has one since its a vscode fork

[sage crag]

https://github.com/flathub/com.vscodium.codium/issues/90
here's how they do it for codium

[pastel nymph]

[olive sable]

Just become disabled and leech on the disability wage

[unkempt citrus]

if you play it on stream you can claim it as a tax wriye off

[olive sable]

Decided to check out the vulkan triangle example code...
Its 1186 lines

[opaque sigil]

yeah, the memes weren't a lie

[lament igloo]

i got this random idea of an afk offline reward system on a old rpg maker engine like WOLF RPG Editor
here if some of you are interested:

• find a way to get current time somehow
• find a way to convert it into a value, so something like a unix timestamp
• when its time to store time. so lets say... player plants a tree. get current time > convert into value > and store it somewhere (preferrably on a more persistent system)
• exit the game to test and wait for a few hours
• when player runs the game again, it checks if stored time > required time. if true, tree grows

[wary rover]

I find it funny that DeepSeek uses the word "vibe" in his thinking. Like, I didnt use it in the prompt

[olive sable]

Isnt that just how it ussualy works???

When you ask the time its always in the unix timestamp systemp for everything ive used so far

[sage crag]

and this is why people use opengl and webgpu

gl though u got this

[olive sable]

It doesnt even seem hard, just a lot of work

[shadow sinew]

The boilerplate to get to a triangle isn't hard no. What's actually hard is all the manual dependency tracking and cache invalidation which OpenGL does for you.

To the point where even engine devs don't get it right.

[olive sable]

Opengl is a lot more boilerplate tho

This has a lot les overhead

Just a lot more work

Anyways

Triple buffering

VK_PRESENT_MODE_MAILBOX_KHR my beloved 😍

I dont think opengl has that by default

Might be why i was limited to 6k fps

[trim valve]

"limited" 😭

[lament igloo]

yes but in old engines where features are limited can be quite tricky

[olive sable]

Just make your engine better

[lament igloo]

oh just use modern engines
can they support windows xp? ofc not (in reality, im just stuck with that engine)

[trim valve]

I should see how performance is on the new gpu

[olive sable]

The goal is to make it run at 60fps on phones, to do that i need 5 digits on a 3090

[trim valve]

eeeh

sorta?

[olive sable]

Its not a 1 to 1

But it kinda checks out

[trim valve]

a phone gpu and a desktop gpu will have pretty different performance killers

[rough bloom]

you most definitely do not need 10k fps on a 3090 for that
the presentation overhead will not be an issue on phones at all

you'll be much more limited by how much geometry you can render and how fancy your shaders are

[olive sable]

Tbh i havent trsted mobile with the c++ version

I just thought "2k extra fps is the best you can do?"

So ye...

[dire trout]

can I ask a random stupid amateur question

[olive sable]

Yes

[trim valve]

also fps is kinda a bad metric especially at this stage

[olive sable]

Ye i know, frametime and such is better

Of the 0.150ms, 0.120 is swapping buffers with opengl

[rough bloom]

no sorry questions are banned today
try again tomorrow /s

[dire trout]

[rough bloom]

(just ask, someone will answer if they know)

[dire trout]

it's really stupid, but could I use AI to assist with my learning with programming or is that actually harmful to the process

[olive sable]

It depends

[trim valve]

it depends how you use it

[olive sable]

Jinx

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

Dont make it write code for you

Ask it questions

Or if you do make it write code, dont just blindly copy paste

Try to understand why and how it does things

[dire trout]

I mean, i tried it once to help assist to develop something, and I understand the process, but individually I don't really understand the functions fully I think

like I would get how it works

but idfk how to actually use it

[olive sable]

Then ask it. It should be able to explain

[stark needle]

gambling watch!!!!!

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

The craftsmanship of this is insane tho

[olive sable]

Shadow is probably the least paid luxery watch enjoyer i know

[dire trout]

does it actually work

[rough bloom]

will it actually give me money if I win?

[stark needle]

it's a 336000$ watch

[stark needle]

Ye it has the full rotation mechanics and everything

[olive sable]

[dire trout]

no, like I would get how this thing works and how to use it, but idk where to use it when I have to use it

it's hard to explain

[stark needle]

i got this watch as an ad on yt

Lmao

[olive sable]

That price has a decimal pount 4 digits too far right for me

[stark needle]

As if i could afford it

[dire trout]

gawddamn

[stark needle]

https://jacobandco.com/timepieces/casino-tourbillon?gad_source=2&gad_campaignid=21240101035&gclid=Cj0KCQjw64jDBhDXARIsABkk8J4FkZYrdpZPpY35rS5zhS1WSPPYn1wBQz4e-aAuAk_LhbAEVuv3aY0aAl-sEALw_wcB

jacob co has ultra based watches

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furthermore feel free to ask questions here about stuff it generates (as long as its not like an entire app that's just completely generated and broken or something)

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This one is more insane

it's 500k$

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at what point do they get rid of the clock ands and just give you cool little mechanical trinkets on your wrist

[stark needle]

Idk all their watches are just miniature stuff

[dire trout]

I'm not even going to ask for price

[dire trout]

fick

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Same company that made the watch of that certain internet personality with the working bugatti watch

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[olive sable]

Oh ye

You mentioned that in a diffrent server

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[olive sable]

This one right?

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thank you amd software

[dire trout]

right now I'm trying to make a discord bot that helps with event management (yes I know there is this very useful app called calendar)
but I'm still stuck on the base stuff smh

[rough bloom]

2 fps 🔥

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I'm like 90% sure blenders ui only refereshes on interaction otherwise its like 1fps

so it kinda checks out

[olive sable]

2fps for a render is pretty decent

Or is it the actual program?

[rough bloom]

the actual program probably

normal application UIs can use OpenGL too, but they only render when required

but AMDs software doesn't know that, they just see how often it presents frames

[olive sable]

[rich ibex]

if you plan on coding vulkan for performance, taking a look at this is very helpful https://docs.vulkan.org/samples/latest/samples/performance/README.html, there are even specific pointers and tips for coding for mobile gpus (mali gpu's specifically) in some of the sections. https://docs.vulkan.org/samples/latest/samples/performance/swapchain_images/README.html this section also talks about not using the mailbox present mode for mobile unless you need low input latency

[olive sable]

Yeye, mailbox is bad for power

Its prefered for dektop tho

[rough bloom]

no I like VSync
please make it an option to use FIFO

[olive sable]

I will make it an option ye

Im pretty sure emsctipten does vsync by default

So this is more like for a downloadable app

I wonder if google play store is free

[rough bloom]

yeah, default setting can be based on the device

[rough bloom]

IIRC yes, or at least close to free

[olive sable]

It is if you have a dev account, which costs 25 bucks apparently

[rough bloom]

ye

not worth it for testing, but if you have an actual release then mabe

[olive sable]

Ye

I need to figure out copyright first anyways

Im freeloading on veds ip

[olive sable]

If i put in ads it will pay for itself

[rough bloom]

it actually might if you keep it up for long enough

then again, ads

eww

[olive sable]

"Watch an ad to support the disabled "

Moral blackmail my beloved

[rough bloom]

gate progression behind watching ads

[olive sable]

Surely people will actually download it, right???

[rough bloom]

no, but assuming a cent per ad, you only need like 2500 ads to break even

idk ad prices but that doesn't sound too bad

[olive sable]

[scarlet arch]

wtf is that price

[olive sable]

Having a brand costs money

This is rigged

[rough bloom]

cheap

[trim valve]

where on earth are you looking at domains

like please consider a real domain registrar like porkbun

[rigid snow]

scam price: buy now for practically free, renewal in a year will cost an arm and a leg

[olive sable]

So the other site is scamming me?
Motherfuckers

[opaque sigil]

damn cloudflare doesn't do ph

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yeah I was gonna suggest cloudflare but it didn't support it

[opaque sigil]

yeah some registrars charge extra

[rigid snow]

vercel domains

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so many registrars do

[noble zodiac]

get yourself a .gay domain before the month is over. its a steal

[olive sable]

It doesnt need to be ph lmao

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holy

[olive sable]

Idk what ph even is

[opaque sigil]

phillipines presumably

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i just checked and that's godaddy

[opaque sigil]

i was right nice

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so yes they're probably going to try and scam you

[opaque sigil]

cloudflare is a good registrar to default to

[olive sable]

I dont need a brand rn, but it would be pretty cool to hzve one when im actually selling out

[noble zodiac]

I'm using INWX for all my domains

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like consider the following

I should probably change my domain to a different tld

[rigid snow]

mhm

[olive sable]

Erm.fish studios

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Nerd i own bwaa.moe

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

true

Im making shadow ceo, this means he pays my taxes and i use his ip

[stark needle]

😭 😭

nooooo

[nocturne olive]

Silliness going on?

[olive sable]

Yes

[sage crag]

"own"

[olive sable]

I still dont really understand this

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koniifer

[olive sable]

A company owns it and you rent it?

[sage crag]

my government name

how menacing

bwa

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📺

[olive sable]

[noble zodiac]

I own localhost

real and true

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i own 192.168.1.210

[olive sable]

Why cant i just, not rent it?

Buy it

[stark needle]

be google and own ur own tld

[opaque sigil]

because legal reasons

well, if you have the money and power you can operate your own domain

[rough bloom]

maybe you could if you're a registrar
otherwise I doubt ICANN allows it

[olive sable]

[noble zodiac]

you can request a completely new tld and become its owner. If you happen to have the money and usecase

[rigid snow]

there was a point even google.com has expired and some dude sniped it

[olive sable]

The last semester of my college does go over starting your own studio, if you wish to follow that course

[opaque sigil]

https://newgtldprogram.icann.org/en/application-rounds/round2 well have fun

[olive sable]

No thanks

[noble zodiac]

what does that mean? your own studio

[olive sable]

Too much papers

[olive sable]

You make games, and you have a brand

Nd do taxes ig

And lots of tax writeofs

[rough bloom]

yeah, TLDs are AFAIK actually owned, not just rented
expensive though, and you still have to listen to ICANN so there's little point in it unless you need a lot of domains or just want brand status

[olive sable]

New gpu? Taxwriteof
New desk?
New ac unit?
Its all deductable

[noble zodiac]

ah, running a business. Sadly I know about that

heck you dont even need a business. If you do home office you can already write off pc parts, desks, chairs and what not

you can even write off suits if you see a customer once a year

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

i do what ICANN't, buy a domain off konii today

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[sage crag]

so long, fool, thanks for the neuros

[rigid snow]

is com available

[sage crag]

with what tld

[trim valve]

konii can you sell me google.com

[rigid snow]

you know, https://com/

[sage crag]

i can sell it to you

[sage crag]

yeah with what tld

com.[tld]

[rigid snow]

the tld itself

[sage crag]

com.com

ok

[rigid snow]

no

[rigid snow]

this

[sage crag]

uhh

[rigid snow]

https://serverfault.com/a/826234

where embed

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/neurosama-gif-15292687851529300845

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