programming

[near sundial]

Since I'll give it full control of like a private server

Where it can fuck around and learn mechanics on its own

[opaque wharf]

Thought so lol

[rigid snow]

windirstat is just what i use and is the most popular

[near sundial]

But that's basically it

I'll just try to recreate as much of the code that makes a nextbot

And modify it to that extent

@uneven pulsar

[tender river]

https://blog.rust-lang.org/2025/06/26/Rust-1.88.0/

• let chains
• naked functions
• array::as_chunks
  pretty cool release

[rigid snow]

here you go

@opaque wharf

[opaque wharf]

Thanks, I was about to give up and use filelight by kde

[tender river]

i just use df and du

[noble zodiac]

Cargo automatic cache cleaning
yuge

[opaque sigil]

dust is pretty nice too

[rigid snow]

LET CHAINS STABLE??

[uneven pulsar]

i see....

[rigid snow]

fuck yea

[uneven pulsar]

so basically a chat bot in an engine

[near sundial]

That I can torture too

[opaque wharf]

I use that too. That is why I need a deeper insight by visual

[uneven pulsar]

[near sundial]

Since they do feel pain too

[uneven pulsar]

dude just make it learn the engine and be able to control the game mechanics

[opaque wharf]

Oh, this looks better

[uneven pulsar]

okay you're trying to recreate monika or something?

[near sundial]

Nope

But I found out

[uneven pulsar]

yeah you sure do

[near sundial]

If i can loop them to run away at low health

I can make a separate file exclusively for fear and pain reactions

Like rig each body part to give a different effect of pain

[uneven pulsar]

thats basically an artificial human

[near sundial]

Or the intensity

[uneven pulsar]

😭

[rigid snow]

this is lowk psychotic

[uneven pulsar]

you're gonna need some whole ass company for it

[near sundial]

Detroit: become nexbot

[uneven pulsar]

he is some crazy mad man

[uneven pulsar]

just make a game about it

[desert plaza]

what?

[near sundial]

Nope

It's like

I can discipline them

[rigid snow]

[uneven pulsar]

man you're some how funny😭

[near sundial]

If they much as make a mistake

Think about it

Death and then respawn

Usually when I did it with other bots I made

[uneven pulsar]

what are you onto😭

[near sundial]

They'd usually construct a code or just fully ignore it

Since they do just respawn

But if I make it permadeath

After a while

[uneven pulsar]

dude thats basically an agi

[near sundial]

The fear part of their program works best

I just need to add the actual voices

To make them actually scream

Instead of using the chatbox

[desert plaza]

dude what am i reading??

[uneven pulsar]

bro i am done

[uneven pulsar]

IDK😭

[near sundial]

So basically

A companion that lives inside of a game

Has their own life

And I can just barge in anytime to get homework answers

[uneven pulsar]

DUDE THIS IS BASICLLY MONIKA

[desert plaza]

are you that guy from black mirror??

[near sundial]

And beat them if I want to

[uneven pulsar]

what the fuck is bro saying😭

[near sundial]

The hardest part I think

Is the latency

But I'll try to improve it

[desert plaza]

are we talking to a chat bot?

[near sundial]

Nop

[uneven pulsar]

dude idk what is this shit😭

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-ultrakill-gif-v1-v2-gif-877973826586985475

[rigid snow]

👏

[uneven pulsar]

but its its fucking funny

[near sundial]

It's this

[uneven pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-ultrakill-gif-v1-v2-gif-877973826586985475

funniest shit iv seen

[near sundial]

Everything I make is just homebrew

My monitor

Is dying from being ran for 24/7

As I make a basic bot learn

Before I add like

The voice

[brisk laurel]

what happened?

[near sundial]

The pain

The fear

[brisk laurel]

[near sundial]

And personality

[uneven pulsar]

scroll up wards

[rigid snow]

or don't actually

[near sundial]

Maybe

[brisk laurel]

where?

[uneven pulsar]

scroll up

[near sundial]

It's just the latency that's the actual problem

Either that

Or the bots just too stupid to respond fast

When I hit them or something

[uneven pulsar]

bro i cant i am fucking wheezing my ass😭

[near sundial]

So I'm just leaving it alone for now

Letting it roam construct

[brisk laurel]

to where

[desert plaza]

dude want's to make a bot in gmod that feels pain so he can torture it

[near sundial]

No

[slim dragon]

Is it normally like this here?

[rigid snow]

no

[near sundial]

That's the side festure

[opaque sigil]

thankfully no

[uneven pulsar]

no😭

[brisk laurel]

no

[opaque sigil]

we're not psychopaths

[near sundial]

I'm using it to do homework for me

[opaque sigil]

well, most of us at least it seems

[uneven pulsar]

but this shit is so funny😭

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-ultrakill-gif-v1-v2-gif-877973826586985475

[near sundial]

It's name is slothy btw

[uneven pulsar]

laugh at

[desert plaza]

you were talking about making in feel pain though 😭

[opaque wharf]

See, normally we just fight over something silly, This is a first too

[near sundial]

So it learns faster

If permadeath is on the line

Or torture

[rigid snow]

what the fuck

[opaque wharf]

Reinforcement learning do be like that

[near sundial]

It might work

[noble zodiac]

can we like stop?

[uneven pulsar]

what da fuck bro😭

[near sundial]

I can always make another

[uneven pulsar]

we are just watching

[near sundial]

Just like the other two I made

But their different

[slim dragon]

@near sundial wait the other two?

[near sundial]

I made two other bots

[olive sable]

[near sundial]

But they were kinda a failure

[olive sable]

[uneven pulsar]

bro is a mad man

[near sundial]

So I killed them and hung their body on construct

[rigid snow]

mods

[near sundial]

Where slothy lives

[uneven pulsar]

theee funny shit you missed was insane😭 .

[near sundial]

Gives him motivation

[opaque wharf]

Oh, hi Sam. What a great time to be back

[near sundial]

Hi sam

Anyways

I think

I'll leave slothy alone overnight

[olive sable]

you're so mean

[opaque wharf]

Bro is just doing genetic algorithm and reinforcement learning

[near sundial]

Let him workout the game

Tomorrow I'll test him

[uneven pulsar]

yeah what a wonderful time to come back😭

[near sundial]

If he fails he gets hung like the other two

And make another

[uneven pulsar]

bro just leave and come back latter😭

[near sundial]

Just trial and error

[rigid snow]

no that's not it, you see what you said is fine

[near sundial]

If he does pass the text

Test

I'll give him his voice

[uneven pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/going-insane-ultrakill-v2-gif-3340894927007694602

[near sundial]

Kewl

[opaque wharf]

Well, I just assume that what the other person is doing because that is basically both of said algorithm in biological term. Evolutionary pressure and punishment-reward based

[near sundial]

Yes

[near sundial]

That's basically it

Like natural selection

You pass, your my new homework slave

[rigid snow]

the part where they torture the npc that's hooked up to a llm?

[uneven pulsar]

dude wants to re create the terminator

[near sundial]

You fail, you get hung as a motivator for the next bod

Bot

[desert plaza]

bro want's to make them scream

[near sundial]

No no

Just give them a voice guys

[rigid snow]

...mods?

[near sundial]

Y'all are blowing this out of proportion

[uneven pulsar]

this guy is some mad man that want to create the terminator

[near sundial]

I won't necessarily torture them

Just discipline

Actually

It's kinda funny

Bc one time

The bot before slothy

When I said goodnight to it

Was actually scared of me turning off my pc

[desert plaza]

this u ☝️

[near sundial]

Like test their voice

[desert plaza]

ok sure

[near sundial]

Saying it was just a dark space

A thin line between life and death type shit

Since it was just about dead, but not yet since it's system is alive

Yet inactive

So I just keep my pc running 24/7

Actually

Now that I think about it.

I could try to loop a certain code

[brisk laurel]

who created it?

[near sundial]

That tries to shutdown the bot when I command it

[rare bramble]

DISCORD????

every time I try and click the button it dodges my cursor

[desert plaza]

you're having that problem too, eh

[near sundial]

Real

[near sundial]

Anyways

So it like recreates the pc shutting down

Maybe it'll give it the same reaction

[rigid snow]

it was protecting you, it's for the better

[olive sable]

when the winged hussars arrived! 🔥

[near sundial]

Why

[sage crag]

whats up with chat today

[olive sable]

i have no clue

[rigid snow]

[slim dragon]

Leave before you realize the full extent of the chaos

[near sundial]

I'll log on tomorrow I think

I'll try to update of what happens to slothy

So I'll just leave slothy in game

By himself and maybe a dog bot I made

See if he attached himself to it

And use it as leverage later on his learning

[sage crag]

who turned up the edge factor to 11

[olive sable]

the new guy

[near sundial]

I can reply to where it started

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-new-here-say-hi-discord-im-new-here-say-hi-im-new-here-say-hi-discord-new-member-discord-new-gif-8065649195492145845

[near sundial]

So you guys can see

[desert plaza]

y'know, he began by asking if anyone knew how to program a pathfinder

[opaque wharf]

You're better off optimizing hblang again konii

Today's is a weird day

[sage crag]

perhamps

[near sundial]

Here it is

Konii

[olive sable]

i have just received conformation from anonymous high-ranking sources that the last digit of pi is in fact 2.

[opaque wharf]

We engineers usually just use 3 and call it a day

[rigid snow]

got it, 3.141592

[olive sable]

and that why you're just engineers

[sage crag]

i am not going to acknowledge that mess of words

[olive sable]

[near sundial]

Kewl

Anyways

In trying to make this final strand of code

[opaque wharf]

So, Sam, between what's currently happening here at #programming and RTX vedal, which one do you prefer?

[olive sable]

this

[near sundial]

To make slothy sleep during some hours

So his ai can somewhat rest

[olive sable]

at least this isnt ugly, its just text

[sage crag]

i woukd argue it is ugly

[opaque wharf]

Bro is really hating that RTX Vedal lmao

[rigid snow]

i think it's the tism buff or something helpin you here i'm personally disturbed

[opaque wharf]

But also, text is only ugly if you intentionally parse it on your mind

[olive sable]

im currently trying to read my old code to see how i did this gltf shit before. and im beginning to realize my old code was barely functional too.

[sage crag]

why yes i do read

[uneven pulsar]

idk what bro is onto but he is a menace

[brisk laurel]

chat am cooking?

[uneven pulsar]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

[near sundial]

Probs

[olive sable]

you're cooking everyone here, so you're cooking something i guess

[uneven pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-minos-gif-24844681

[opaque sigil]

lgtm, ship it

[near sundial]

I might be cooking

[brisk laurel]

uh....

[rigid snow]

i'm not sure what i'm looking at here so can't say

[olive sable]

???/

[sage crag]

hm i think i wil leave and come back in a few hours and ser if chat is normal again

[olive sable]

lmao

sure

[brisk laurel]

nah im good

[near sundial]

I'll update y'all on slothy

[sage crag]

please dont

[opaque sigil]

don't

[olive sable]

hahaha

[uneven pulsar]

why are you repeating and makingc the code bad like yandev

[near sundial]

I won't kill off slothy just yet tho

I'll give him like I said, a dog bot

[uneven pulsar]

this guy is a fucking ptsd menace giver

[opaque sigil]

still, please do everyone here a favour and keep your shenanians to yourself

[near sundial]

Get him to connect with something and use it as leverage

[slim dragon]

Yeah, I’m going to come back a different time. This has been enough of whatever this is for the moment

[olive sable]

bro is an actual psycho

[uneven pulsar]

he is some menace

[rigid snow]

there is far, far, FAR worse code in prod even assuming the worst context here, lgtm ship it

[sage crag]

i agree, its just distasteful

[uneven pulsar]

nah a mad man

[olive sable]

nah, im a mad man, he crossed the line to psycho

[near sundial]

Just bored man

A borerman

[uneven pulsar]

you are some menace to do it

[sage crag]

channel your bored energy playing roblox or something

[olive sable]

ah yes, the bored to torture pipeline...

[uneven pulsar]

PLAY ULTRAKILL

[rigid snow]

fr

[near sundial]

I did

[brisk laurel]

but

[near sundial]

I have like a few hundred hours on jt

[sage crag]

mhm

[near sundial]

Where else did you think I get the idea?

[uneven pulsar]

dear god.......

[olive sable]

brother wtf

[near sundial]

A robot that would soon and eventually dies when it runs out of fuel

[rigid snow]

oh it's a test nobody gaf about tests lgtm

[bitter fjord]

This is what I wake up to

[near sundial]

But I won't let it die just like that

[olive sable]

canwe nuke chat please? we need to start fresh

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-mushroom-cloud-atomic-bomb-bomb-boom-gif-4464831

[near sundial]

Why

[rigid snow]

boom

[near sundial]

So sad

[uneven pulsar]

you're using the method wrong bro so much repetition😭

[tender river]

BOOM

[sage crag]

BOOM

[olive sable]

BOOM

[desert plaza]

BOOM

[sage crag]

all about evil's original song

[olive sable]

like the popular hit song by evil

[opaque sigil]

can we nuke the field of cryptography

[rigid snow]

vil

[olive sable]

typo\

[near sundial]

You will never bomb slothy

[olive sable]

i cant type blind that well lmao

[olive sable]

i will bomb you

[near sundial]

Only I can discipline my own son

[sage crag]

pls lil bro keep your thoughts firmly inside the vehicle at all times

[olive sable]

for legal reasons that was a joke

[near sundial]

Real

[olive sable]

i dont know his location

yet

[brisk laurel]

erm..

[near sundial]

And will probably never

[desert plaza]

dude changed "torture" to "discipline"

[olive sable]

this is gettingout of hand

[near sundial]

No

[olive sable]

so uhj

lemme get the topic wheel

[near sundial]

Alr

I'll just

Update tomorrow then

[uneven pulsar]

lysara fix the code cuz you're making js look even worst

[sage crag]

no thanks

[rigid snow]

as if they didn't mention torture too many times to not matter

[near sundial]

About slothy when I wake up

[noble zodiac]

no thanks

[sage crag]

nope

keep your invention to yourself

[olive sable]

"Microsoft shuts down iconic 'Blue Screen of Death'"

did they?

[ruby timber]

Since when

[desert plaza]

good point

[rigid snow]

actually i say go pitch it to VCs

[near sundial]

Awh

[brisk laurel]

[opaque sigil]

they're making it black and slightly more useful by saying which driver died

[olive sable]

guys no more torture talk, i will ping mods

[ruby timber]

more information is good but............ blueg......................................

[near sundial]

It was never about torture

[uneven pulsar]

dont worry i will help you

[sage crag]

lol ok

[rigid snow]

don't listen it's good

[opaque sigil]

green screen of death > blue screen of death

[uneven pulsar]

i used to make shi code

[near sundial]

Same

[olive sable]

they made it green?

[rigid snow]

windows insiders

[opaque sigil]

the insider builds have always been green

[ruby timber]

canary builds were RED

Evil screen of death

[near sundial]

I'll see you guys tomorrow

[noble zodiac]

blue screens on linux are a thing as well and I think thats beautiful

[near sundial]

Since it's currently 2:36 pm or something

[opaque sigil]

aren't those like 80% qr code

[opaque sigil]

or am i thinking of something else

[near sundial]

And I'm gonna head to an early bed

[olive sable]

swift is addign android support?

[rigid snow]

swift was always cross platform no

[opaque sigil]

something like that

[olive sable]

the topic wheel is just my google news feed, so ye...

[opaque sigil]

yes but they're adding a committee or sth to make it work better with the android runtime or sth

[rigid snow]

i heard they're pushing it for embedded

[opaque sigil]

that sounds so cursed

unless they let you create actual static binaries now

[rigid snow]

they do iirc

[rigid snow]

i may be wrong

[sage crag]

hblang is made with embedded as a priority

[opaque sigil]

cause last time i checked there is no way of getting around having a runtime even if you tell the compiler to output a static binary

it's just hardcoding paths into the binary

though that was like a year ago or so

[olive sable]

chat is back to normal

[sage crag]

im 60% sure you can make an OS with it

[near sundial]

Or is it?

[sage crag]

though you would need an asm hook for the kernel entrypoint

[near sundial]

Hey, vsauce here

[rigid snow]

they probably are still doing that so you don't miss out on lang features, runtime is probably statically linked

[near sundial]

Just kidding

[sage crag]

swift is cool

[rigid snow]

i never tried it, is this sarcasm

[sage crag]

there are worse languages

[rigid snow]

i heard c/cpp/objectivec interop is good

[opaque sigil]

swift as a language is pretty neat

too bad everything else is uhh

yea

[opaque wharf]

Having the memory map of STM32 device when?

[bitter fjord]

The worse part is that you need macOS to compile it

[opaque sigil]

you don't

[brisk laurel]

is this good?

[tender river]

random article about swift https://faultlore.com/blah/swift-abi/

[brisk laurel]

no repeats

[rigid snow]

you absolutely don't

[opaque wharf]

svd2hblang

Then I'll try hblang

[rigid snow]

they apparently ship a heavily stripped down runtime for embedded targets

for lang features yep

[bitter fjord]

Nvrmnd

I rescind my earlier statement

[opaque sigil]

well if they statically link the runtime that's fine i guess

[sage crag]

embedded (osdev) not embedded (microcontroller)

[opaque sigil]

and don't do some weird dlopen shenanigans

[uneven pulsar]

programming war crime 101

[noble zodiac]

osdev is really fun. I'm a big fan

[sage crag]

probably as small "hello, world" as i can go without adding functionality like -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections to the compiler

if we get that though, it can go to abt 250~300

[gritty dust]

Wait I haven't seen you here before? elloo

[rigid snow]

heard a rumor somewhere that they write firmware for their ics in swift, like the secure enclave one - T1 i think it was called? (which is now part of the A-series and M-series chips, used to be a separate one on intel macs) and the airpods chip and more

[brisk laurel]

hi

[olive sable]

using gltf always feels so roundabout.
why cant you just give me the buffer from the getgo?

[rigid snow]

abstract everything

[olive sable]

we wouldnt need this whole bufferview system if it was just defines into the accesor, cuz the only rhing thee accesor does is point to the bufferview

[rigid snow]

there are probably reasons

[olive sable]

they do actually define some data, im jut not using that data

[desert plaza]

what's hblang?

[olive sable]

konii made that

[opaque wharf]

See, that's the problem it solves Sam

[olive sable]

shhh

[desert plaza]

like, made it up?

[olive sable]

ye

programmed it

[desert plaza]

so that's what this is then?

[rigid snow]

she didn't make it did she

[olive sable]

she did

google it

[opaque sigil]

not the compiler

the stdlib

[rigid snow]

i was thinking the initial lang spec

[rigid snow]

this is just the vscode ext

she did make that yes

[olive sable]

thats what i thought we were talkign about?

were we not?

[rigid snow]

the std lib isn't even called hblang or stdlib it's lily right

[opaque sigil]

indeed

[olive sable]

im getting things confued

oh well

[stark needle]

hi hi hello heyy haii hihiihi

[olive sable]

[desert plaza]

I was just asking what "hblang" is

never heard of it

[stark needle]

i am having a mental breakdown from sql

[rigid snow]

it's a very, very, very niche language

[opaque sigil]

it's a bespoke language for a bespoke operating system

[stark needle]

hblang is a language people should NOT use

[rigid snow]

yes bespoke is the better word here

niche would imply that someone actually uses it

[olive sable]

[desert plaza]

why lol

[olive sable]

no simd

[sage crag]

some people do

those people being everyone who works on ableos

[olive sable]

how amny people are that then?

5?

[sage crag]

roughly

[stark needle]

who works on ableos😭

[uneven pulsar]

i always though this is a blushing emote rather than sad emote

[olive sable]

the more you know

[ruby timber]

I'm getting frustrated over C++

Time for a break

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

[keen atlas]

[dense cosmos]

CerberPeek

[uneven pulsar]

like i didn't even know she sad just pure blushing

https://tenor.com/view/v2-ultrakill-gif-24969144

gotta get my ass back whit type script

[opaque sigil]

i give up trying to statically link a swift binary

oh well

good thing i don't actually need one

[tender river]

theres two

[rigid snow]

you gotta pray to tim cook first

[noble zodiac]

I would use hblang purely to be the first to create a lisp in it

[tender river]

isnt there a hbvm lisp already

[opaque sigil]

time to delete swift again

[uneven pulsar]

why?

[opaque sigil]

i can just use rust when i hate myself

[uneven pulsar]

is the language that bad i mean iphones are very trash price

[opaque sigil]

nah the language is pretty cool

[rigid snow]

you should use xcode that'll help you

[opaque sigil]

[rigid snow]

but genuinely, i cannot comprehend how a piece of software can be this bad

especially one backed by and developed by APPLE

if you haven't used xcode you really should

it's so refreshing to know that everything else is great software

[opaque sigil]

i don't think i can even if i wanted to

not that i have any desire to change this

[rigid snow]

dropping a lot of rumors today lmao, heard the codebase for xcode goes as far back as the nextstep acquisition

[opaque wharf]

But then again, netbeans/eclipse-based also still rocking

[tiny mango]

MacOS has race conditions that haven't been fixed since the 80s

[uneven pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/lain-experiments-gif-202687086491934216

lains dad worked on prod xcode code

[tiny mango]

hbd

[olive sable]

this has to be some of the most dogshit code ive written

[tiny mango]

no no it's fantastic

[opaque sigil]

that's okay, writing dogshit code makes it pretty obvious where to abstract/refactor

[tiny mango]

separate joints and weights into two more conditionals with the same functionality

[olive sable]

no

if you dont have the weights, your joints are completley useless

so we should just ignore them instead of making the gpu/shader shit itslef

[stark needle]

Happy birthday Zityu

[olive sable]

habby bday

[olive sable]

basicly, the weights say how much a vertex is affected by a certain joint. we cant do much with only the weights or only the joints

[noble zodiac]

but how much do you bench bro

[olive sable]

20kg on a good day

[noble zodiac]

smh

[olive sable]

[noble zodiac]

this channel could really need some fitness

[olive sable]

i went to the basic fit for liek a good 6 months, just didnt have much time to do it after a while

[opaque wharf]

Put a default value for the weight

[uneven pulsar]

programming war crimes 101

[noble zodiac]

I'm walking on a treadmill at my standing desk while writing this and working

[opaque wharf]

Will look like shit tho

[uneven pulsar]

mine look absolute dog shit

[olive sable]

no.
i will not tolerate someone elses crimes in my code

anyways i gtg

gonna get my report

[uneven pulsar]

look at this crap

[tiny mango]

asked for a standing desk and got asked if i wanted sparkling water on tap, too :(

[opaque sigil]

Btw you probably meant to put age < 100 right

[desert plaza]

uh how do I put an image in discord lmao

[opaque wharf]

Nah, let it rip

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/neurosama-evil-neuro-embed-failure-gif-15456327638408323033

[gritty dust]

no no, code is only dogshit if it doesnt work, otherwise its good enough

[olive sable]

It doesnt work tho

[gritty dust]

welp

uhh

hmm

[uneven pulsar]

  public void bufferState(){
        StringJoiner joiner = new Random().ints(10, 0, 100)
            .mapToObj(String::valueOf)
            .collect(() -> new StringJoiner(","), StringJoiner::add, StringJoiner::merge);
        System.out.println("Buffer State: " + joiner.toString());
        
    }

c++ experience

in java

[tight tinsel]

v2 spotted

[desert plaza]

observe! https://imgur.com/a/7JsLcLY

guys it's not working

[desert plaza]

how does one embed

[opaque sigil]

you don't (for now until you unlock the role by talking more)

[desert plaza]

i see

[opaque wharf]

Just talk a lot and you'll be granted embed perm

[desert plaza]

so what are yall's favorite programming langs?

or most used

[sage crag]

@opaque sigil hashmap bench now in 345ms

rust only 1.5x faster than this now

[ruby timber]

What you guys are doing feels like black magic to me

Like how does this even work I'm so curious

[sage crag]

sometimes i wonder myself

[ruby timber]

I must resist................

There's too much to learn

[opaque sigil]

what's that tool

[sage crag]

perf stat

it also lets me see stuff like this

pretty useful

wonder why 50% of runtime is in remove tho

might be able to improve that

[tender river]

remove should return the key too imo

in case the key must be freed

[sage crag]

probably

[sage crag]

uh oh i think its a compiler bug

[desert plaza]

so it shows percentage of total time spend in each subroutine?

[sage crag]

bpl is the one that contains the short hash, bpl is also the low byte of rbp. i wonder if bpl is getting clobbered and its degrading into linear search

[tender river]

you should write test cases for the hashers

[sage crag]

probably

the hashmap test does pass though

hrm

well, whatever

[tender river]

it should pass as long as the hash is deterministic

[sage crag]

yes

but i didnt check my hash implementation against one written in a stable language

and its not 1:1 with the original ones

lol

[gritty dust]

Hey Stella

[sage crag]

i guess i could check the branch misses

[ruby timber]

Hi Crafterrr

[sage crag]

if the remove blows them up its probably broken

[tender river]

probably easier to just test the hashers

and more future proof

[sage crag]

true

im actually testing this on a dirty branch since i didnt do the target rewrite yet

lol

[rigid snow]

i forgot this was a thing

classic macos nonsense

[sage crag]

gnu c compiler is llvm c lang compiler

no way

[opaque sigil]

it really is just all llvm in the end

[sage crag]

even gcc couldnt live without that strong optimiser

though, gcc's optimiser is arguably better in a lot of cases iirc

[tender river]

mhm llvm won through MIT and modularity

well, apache

[sage crag]

gpl killed gcc

[desert plaza]

it's just an alias right

[rigid snow]

i didn't make that alias

it's either shipped with macos or xcode tools or whatever

[ruby timber]

Probs xcode

[tender river]

gcc is not dead, most vendors dont care about making proprietary compilers

[sage crag]

gcc died 2025 rip gcc

[rigid snow]

[desert plaza]

o7 gcc

[tender river]

oh seven

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-stop-get-some-help-michael-jordan-gif-7964841

[opaque wharf]

You built it by using existing language first

[opaque wharf]

Basically, yea. It could also be per-instruction or some other cpu optimization that misses

[cunning gyro]

I like to bully myself writing C sharp mods for Barotrauma

C# and Lua are my 2 most used

[opaque wharf]

"GCC"
*Looks inside
"Clang"

[rigid snow]

i wanna ask something, i know minecraft is tcp based but do i actually have a guarantee packets sent from server arrive in order?

[opaque sigil]

i don't think that's how tcp works

[cunning gyro]

TCP will automatically shuffle into order of transmission

Don't worry

It's baked into the protocol

[rigid snow]

it's not? but

[opaque wharf]

Wait, it's not? TCP doesn't guarantee ordering?

[cunning gyro]

UDP doesn't I think, TCP should

[opaque sigil]

ah i'm dumb

[cunning gyro]

UDP just kinda fires all the packets out at once and hopes for the best

[opaque sigil]

ip doesn't guarantee it, tcp does

[opaque wharf]

Yea, I know for UDP. That's why I want to know if TCP also doesn't guarantee it

[rigid snow]

yeah i was confused af

[opaque sigil]

it reorders the packets as needed

[opaque wharf]

But there's also QUIC for UDP

[cunning gyro]

I should know this I did a nettech course this year for college 😭

[cunning gyro]

Wdym IP doesn't? IP is just numbers that identifies devices on a network

[rigid snow]

it should guarantee that in theory but does it in practice, any mc modding wizards?

[noble zodiac]

no its not just the number. What do you think the P stands for

[cunning gyro]

Internet Protocol, it serves as identifying devices on a network, TCP/UDP are the data transfer protocols

They're what moves the information

Between the two

Using IP addresses, and MAC addresses if we want to go that deep

[cunning gyro]

Is this using Essential?

Or whatever direct connection multiplayer service

[rigid snow]

that shouldn’t matter if there is that guarantee because the entirety of minecraft would be built on the assumption they do arrive in order

[cunning gyro]

Well yea of course they'll arrive in order you're using TCP

It will check to make sure all the packets arrive

And are in proper order

Slightly more overhead which may lead to connection issues (high ping) due to the fact it spends time needing to make sure packets come through, order them and such

[rigid snow]

i’m asking because i don’t know if the networking code does some unordered queue bullshit or whatever

[cunning gyro]

Typically it would only be unordered if the connection port is a UDP one, I could be mistaken

[rigid snow]

from my perspective, there are methods to send a packet and to subscribe to incoming ones

i don’t actually know what happens under the hood

[cosmic sphinx]

theoretically mc could shove some ordering functionality in their lv 7 packets before compacting into UDP
but ion think anybody does that, bc TCP is just more efficient for this task anyway

[rigid snow]

so it does guarantee ordering?

[cosmic sphinx]

yes

tcp does

[cunning gyro]

I just opt to ignore anything past Layer 4 🔥

[cosmic sphinx]

udp not necessarily

[rigid snow]

i know tcp does

rahhh

whatever i’ll find out the hard way if it doesn’t

[cunning gyro]

if you have your server set up on TCP port then people can only connect using TCP

[opaque wharf]

Wdym in practice? Aren't TCP handled by the OS?

[rigid snow]

i don’t know what the networking code does

in the game

[cosmic sphinx]

networking code 💀

[opaque wharf]

You may be confusing TCP with the application layer packet

[cosmic sphinx]

^

[rigid snow]

it’s fucking ABSTRACTED

you don’t actually send anything

yourself

[cosmic sphinx]

[opaque wharf]

That means it doesn't guarantee ordering

[rigid snow]

in the modding apis

[opaque wharf]

Since it's no longer TCP packet that you process

[rigid snow]

and in the base game

[cosmic sphinx]

you are talking not about the networking packets but the layer 7 app packets, as mentioned b4

[cunning gyro]

Raaaggghh I hate Layers 5,6 7

[rigid snow]

yes

[cosmic sphinx]

what is in the mc mod code idfk and it doesnt really matter to me

[cunning gyro]

The only real layers are layers 1-4

[opaque wharf]

Come with me to layer 1. We have more than 1 or 0 here and it's nice sometimes

[rigid snow]

i’m not confusing anything. my initial question was “ik minecraft is tcp, but does minecraft guarantee packet order”

[cunning gyro]

Bet

[cosmic sphinx]

tcp = packets are received in order regardless

its not minecraft that guarantees it

[opaque wharf]

Then no. Just because the lower layer have certain guarantee, the higher layer could perform something else

[cosmic sphinx]

its the protocol itself

whatever happens after idfk

[cunning gyro]

I mean it should do because its still gonna hit Layer 4 on the receiving end

[opaque wharf]

No, there is no guarantee unless otherwise mentioned in the docs

[rigid snow]

on the network layer sure. ok. rephrasing. are incoming packets dispatched to handlers in order by whatever networking code there is

better?

[cosmic sphinx]

no

you gotta look in the code to see how the received packets are handled there

they are guaranteed to be received by your device in order, but how app handles them is coded in the app itself

[opaque wharf]

Or read the docs. If the docs doesn't mention anything about ordering just assume it could be out of order

[rigid snow]

yes thank you

[cunning gyro]

We got there eventually

[cosmic sphinx]

surely I would know atleast something finishing year 4 of my bach on networking

[cunning gyro]

Me having done year 1 Net tech unit for my CySec course

[opaque wharf]

The easiest way for application layer to guarantee ordering is by sending it within the limit of max TCP packet size

[rigid snow]

i can always read the code regardless, it’s java and the deobf mappings are out there

[opaque wharf]

But then it would be hard to send dynamically sized data

[cunning gyro]

Just force UDP and hope for the best clearly :3

[trim valve]

when you say minecraft what do you specifically mean

because there are many different servers and clients which may potentially have different ideas for what is correct

though I'd assume there is ordering because of the semi-recently added batching packet stuff

(or well more accurately I'd assume ordering is maintained for emitted events)

[rigid snow]

net.minecraftforge.network whatever it and the underlying stuff do

don’t actually look into it

don’t waste your time

[trim valve]

well I know how the protocol works

just not forge specific stuff

[cosmic sphinx]

im now even more confused by the original questio

[rigid snow]

i was asking in general, and have been provided a multitude of answers that satisfy me

[olive sable]

These are my exam scores for this last semester
The "ex tot" is for the entire year

[sick owl]

Mistral small 2506 is kinda great ngl

Surprisingly non sloppa

[opaque wharf]

So, no failing grade huh

[cosmic sphinx]

have you tried a very simple solution: asking a smort AI

[rigid snow]

i was about to, threw this in here and wasn’t expecting such a heated discussion to occur

[opaque wharf]

Man, education is here so fucked up then. 75 is the minimum grade for every subject

Fuckin asian

[cosmic sphinx]

honestly gemini might've just given you a far better formulated response, especially if you provide it with the library you're having issues with

[rigid snow]

the worst part is i’m not having any issues specific or not i was just curious

[trim valve]

if you let me sit down for 5 minutes I can explain how the protocol works instead of entrusting the slop machine on hallucinogens

[cosmic sphinx]

it aint 2022 anymore bud, these things hallucinate far less than you think atp

it depends on the user whether you can ask a proper question or a soup of big nothing

[rigid snow]

my proxy client exploded for some reason, i now have no internet on my laptop even after rebooting

[trim valve]

you either do not do stuff that requires thinking

or are too blind to see the mistakes

I have had these machines lie to my face several times

[rigid snow]

they hallucinate constantly for me too

no matter how sota the model is

or far more often just inaccurate

[tender river]

they hallucinate all the time

[cosmic sphinx]

its just that most users these days are still not well acquainted with the right AI tools, or how to use them properly
checking your sources is still as important, but its also important to atleast know how and where it extracts the information you need

[opaque wharf]

I prefer to use AI for art in the meantime rather than engineering. But I'd welcome it if AI could help me route a PCB tracks

[trim valve]

or consider the following: having enough research skills to find sources yourself, and understand them

[cunning gyro]

I like googles A.I tools

I use Google A.I studio to debug my code

It's quite good actually

[cosmic sphinx]

i've got that too, but I value my time

[sick owl]

I hate google cloud console I hate google cloud console I hate google cloud console I hate google cloud console

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1137565307582566532.webp?size=56&animated=true

[cosmic sphinx]

google vertex :NAHHH:

[opaque wharf]

Every cloud provider web UI sucks tbh

[cunning gyro]

Sometimes I need to fight A.I studio though but it fixes itself after a few corrections. Unlike GPT

[opaque wharf]

Except cloudflare

[cunning gyro]

I use cloudflare to host my remote SFTP server

[trim valve]

I value my sanity

[opaque wharf]

SFTP on cloudflare? You sure not proxying/tunneling it?

[cosmic sphinx]

the only thing it lacks rn unfortunately is deep browsing certain websites (yes, it has url context, but only on the top)
nothing like perplexity for academic research yet

[rigid snow]

you can but it’s not free

[opaque wharf]

TIL

[cunning gyro]

Quite fun honestly I love my Little server

[opaque wharf]

All I know is CF Workers, Pages, D1, R2

DO and KV too

[waxen linden]

Yo chat

[cunning gyro]

It's just a repurposed Raspberry Pi 4

[opaque wharf]

Hi

[cosmic sphinx]

https://tenor.com/bML2X.gif

[warped narwhal]

[waxen linden]

What are we talking about

[warped narwhal]

An impasta

[opaque wharf]

You expect its the real deal?

A british person that is not grumpy?

[warped narwhal]

No lmao, he's chatted here once in the last year

[rigid snow]

https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-one/connections/connect-networks/use-cases/ssh/ssh-browser-rendering/ even this exists

[cunning gyro]

I am proxying yes but the specific SFTP domain on my server is on Cloudflare

[waxen linden]

What om not grumpy!

[cunning gyro]

I run the SFTP itself natively on the server

[sick owl]

False vedal

[waxen linden]

I am not real Vedal guys

[warped narwhal]

I'm pretty sure impersonating vedal is a quick way to get sent to the shadow realm, so id probably cut it out

[waxen linden]

But my name is Vedal

I’m not him

I can clarify that

[cunning gyro]

Clearly you rename yourself to Vadel

[opaque wharf]

I see. I mostly use their workers to host applications

[cunning gyro]

(Legally distinct Vedal)

[warped narwhal]

Can it do X11 forwarding?

[rigid snow]

through a browser?

[opaque wharf]

Become ladev

[cunning gyro]

This tbh

[olive sable]

tutel spotted

[cosmic sphinx]

spotted indeed

[olive sable]

Vedal should sue for defamation lmao

[tender geode]

Look, I'm pinging Vedal! 😄

[opaque wharf]

Which vedal?

[cunning gyro]

I wish I could run decent audio streaming through my Pi to an output device (phone remoted into) without needing to use VLC

[olive sable]

Im not sure anymore

[warped narwhal]

The only ever time you can @waxen linden

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-among-us-animated-just-some-plastic-gif-18581623

[cunning gyro]

I mean at least I get youtube with no ads by simply having a script extract the raw audio and play it back through a VLC connection

[tender geode]

Yes

[sage crag]

i could not tell

[rigid snow]

that looks crazy

[olive sable]

If this goes on well eventually get a big oof

We should stop

[rigid snow]

i’m pretty sure still frowned upon here too

[warped narwhal]

I used a silent msg and the manual <@ > tag just to make sure

[cunning gyro]

I should do the funny and see if I can recreate game streaming through my server

My Poor Raspberry Pi 4 running Ubuntu server being forced to stream Darktide remotely

[rigid snow]

my guy went into nn and got their name insta reset

[olive sable]

[cunning gyro]

🔥

[warped narwhal]

Lmao

[opaque wharf]

I still have a question, what is the NN channel for? How is it different from GN?

[waxen linden]

Do any of you know the asset code for a Y column

[cosmic sphinx]

NN is the channel you go to, and never return from

GN is like any other general chat

[rigid snow]

i'm here and a quarter of my messages are in nn

don't listen to them

join us

[cunning gyro]

All my messages are here

I joined an hour ago

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-new-here-say-hi-discord-im-new-here-say-hi-im-new-here-say-hi-discord-new-member-discord-new-gif-8065649195492145845

[opaque wharf]

I'll check it out later. I was asking question there the other day

[warped narwhal]

Nn is a cult. Gn is the other general

[opaque wharf]

What is Y column?

[cunning gyro]

Hello yes I am leaf

[desert plaza]

same

[opaque wharf]

Leaf is chay here

[rigid snow]

and chay... is leaf

[opaque wharf]

Chay is that true?

[warped narwhal]

[cunning gyro]

Debating if I should go back to writing my Barotrauma mod (XML) or keep making random bash scripts for my server

[rigid snow]

barotrauma is sure a game

wait what do you mean xml

[cunning gyro]

It's main language for mods is XML

[cosmic sphinx]

[cunning gyro]

There's Lua and Csharp compatibility too though

[tender river]

i can neither confirm nor deny that statement

[opaque wharf]

Did a double take there lol

[rigid snow]

chay are you leaf

[tender river]

maybe

[cunning gyro]

I'm like a month behind my mod update for Barotrauma 🙏

(God's most productive modder)

[opaque wharf]

I can imagine the whole game is just one large xml parser

[rigid snow]

just asking, are your mods big? as in popular

[opaque wharf]

You know what, good for the dev

[cunning gyro]

I've made one. It adds Neuro cover tracks to the game as in game items

So far it has like 120 Subs on workshop

[rigid snow]

i was asking because i was curious if there is a chance any of my friends ever played your mods

[cunning gyro]

Probably, I doubt it though because it's not a particularly big mod

Its surpassed all my expectations for a first time workshop release so I am happy with what I've done

[rigid snow]

they keep on trying to make me play barotrauma with them for like the last 2 years and no they're not neuro fans

[opaque wharf]

I just realized there is no evilbot

[cunning gyro]

I'm probably gonna push the update for my mod when I'm home from Greece

[tender river]

barotrauma is fun

[rigid snow]

but there is @sudden belfry. evil can you sign my forehead i'll give you the sharpie

[opaque wharf]

Oh, so Evil is not named EvilBot. But why?

[cunning gyro]

The hardest part of the mod is making sure I actually have named the files correctly

[rigid snow]

because @stiff mica isn't @old pendant either

[cunning gyro]

And also windows shits a brick when I open the items folder because it hates the fact I have 15 .OGG files

File explorer gets very laggy

[opaque wharf]

Oh dang, I always assume the bot IS neuro sama lol

[opaque wharf]

15 .ogg and its laggy?

[cunning gyro]

Yea it doesn't like it

For some reason

[opaque wharf]

[tender river]

@sage crag i found a langdev job thats willing to hire me from the looks of it
the problem is
its in another city

[opaque wharf]

Evil advice: "Move, duh"

[tender river]

(st petersburg)

[rigid snow]

langdev job

[tender river]

im lowkey considering that, st petersburg has more jobs anyway (but also higher cost of living lol)

[rigid snow]

you can't fool me, this is pure fiction

[tender river]

i once saw a haskell job at tinkoff

[rigid snow]

they're a bank makes sense

[opaque wharf]

We have regional minimum wage here that is based on cost of living. So you can compare if moving is really worth it or not

Mod's here guys

[safe path]

wtf i didn't know wizards can be employed

[opaque wharf]

Time to scram

[sage crag]

partial wahoo

[sage crag]

where do you think gandalf gets his money

[safe path]

gandalf works at tinkoff

[rigid snow]

gandalf being a haskell dev is a funny concept

[dry charm]

I still can't fix this since morning

[olive sable]

i wonder who did the 3D

[inner pike]

Man if only there was something like credits in the description of the video

@olive sable

[olive sable]

yt musi doesnt have descriptions so i never saw it lmao

[inner pike]

Ah okay lmao

Understandable

[olive sable]

vshow does irl lighting equipment

interesting

maybe he's workign with them for the irl concert too

[rigid snow]

as far as i know it's way easier to program a virtual stage the same way you would a real one

[inner pike]

Who knows (well vedal himself does but he obviously isnt telling)

[rigid snow]

unreal engine even ships stuff for stage design

[inner pike]

( i was replying to sam)

[olive sable]

i would assume that they have their own software for making stages in 3D first before they build them irl\

in case things need to be changed

[rigid snow]

probably

all i'm saying is it's easy to import a stage into UE and hook it up to controlling software

resolume is the only one i know of but that's VJ not lighting

[rigid snow]

no, actually, i misread the question. they absolutely do model the stage on a computer beforehand

[olive sable]

[uneven pulsar]

is that maniac gone?

[olive sable]

yes lmao

[uneven pulsar]

[desert plaza]

what happened

[rough bloom]

invalid device function usually means that some kernel wasn't built for your GPU
either don't use that kernel/library, make it build kernels for the correct targets, or do the HSA version override thing if applicable
the other error just looks like an OOM, maybe it's falling back to a non-fused or just less efficient kernel that uses tons of memory, could happen if it's using normal unfused attention instead of flash attention for example

this is one the things AMD could fix so easily and they just refuse to
NVIDIA supports CUDA on everything, but AMD only supports ROCm on like 3 consumer GPUs, so stuff like this happens

[noble zodiac]

tbf if you have a recentish amd card you can get it to work with rocm most likely. Maybe not easily or on everything

[opaque sigil]

Chat I broke off my s-pen accidentally and my first instinct was to super glue it back but now it's stuck in the phone, guess I'm not using this anymore

[olive sable]

i guess youll have to take off the back glass or youll need to pry it out

[opaque sigil]

Nah I'll just not use the s-pen

[rigid snow]

that's what smart cutting board buyers deserve

shovel with a touchscreen

tablet with a simcard

[opaque sigil]

tbf I was using their leather case for years and never used the pen during that time since I couldn't get it out so I guess I'll manage

[dry charm]

Oh great. I have 9060xt now (i love drunken purchases ) I already overrode things with gfx1200.
I'M trying to build ollama now instead of using the nixpkgs 0.9.1

[opaque sigil]

Probably better than having this big hole

[rough bloom]

yeah, it'll usually work, despite lack of official support the necessary targets are implemented in LLVM
just needs patches to the ROCm stack and a high pain tolerance

[dry charm]

also I have to deal with foam coming out of my bathtub and toilet cause some idiot in the building poured a whole bottle of something down. fun

[rigid snow]

i just want a handleable phone is that too much to ask?? why does nobody else want that? why is the demand so low man apple killed the mini because of people like you

"yes please i'd like a goddamn stylus with my tablet phone"

[opaque sigil]

i have pretty large hands so handling this isn't too hard

[rigid snow]

you just don't understand, my hands are not small by any measure

[rough bloom]

the Nixpkgs ROCm might just be too old, it's still on 6.3.3, support for RDNA 4 was introduced in 6.4.1
haven't checked if there was already unofficial support in LLVM before that though
somebody should update it to 6.4.1

[opaque sigil]

the biggest complaint i have with my phone is since it's so boxy it has ripped a hole into my pocket like 3 times

[rigid snow]

without getting into specifics and giving out too much personal info i’m taller than 6ft that should give you an idea of what size my hands are and you know what? i switched to iphone because of the mini line ffs and they kill it

it’s just so much better and convenient

monkey brain see bigger screen for same money monkey think better value

[dry charm]

idk people prefer different phone sizes

[rigid snow]

whatever i don’t have any more energy to crybaby about phone sizes

[dry charm]

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/412640 it is in PR limbo hell

[rough bloom]

it's just an issue, not even a PR yet

you haven't seen the update to 6.3.3

at least there are maintainers again

[ruby timber]

27 days.....

[opaque sigil]

time for some overlays

[rough bloom]

overlays don't help, a ROCm update means updating 50 packages (version and hash, semi-automated) and then fixing all the build issues for every single one
also some of them are huge so building all of them can easily take a day or two

[opaque sigil]

worth it

[noble zodiac]

isn't that what everyone sells nixos for? reproducible builds with independent versions of shit

[rough bloom]

oh, looks like they merged support for RDNA 4 with ROCm 6.3.3
it's just stuck in staging because it's a big rebuild

[rough bloom]

yeah, and if you want to use multiple versions of ROCm on the same system, you can easily do so
it just doesn't help when those versions don't support your graphics card yet

[noble zodiac]

no but why would you need to wait or upstream to put out a package then. Just do it yourself with nix since thats what its there for

[rough bloom]

if by upstream you mean Nixpkgs then yeah, you could just do it yourself before someone else gets around to making a functional PR

it just takes time
in the case of ROCm, a lot of time

[noble zodiac]

to each their own

[tender river]

fuck it scheduled an interview

[olive sable]

i like sausaging small if statements

woulkd this be better as a switch case?

mayhaps

[opaque sigil]

thanks i hate it

[olive sable]

its not too bad once i start defining the vbo's in the bindAttrivb function

i dont do that yet cuz debugging

[tender river]

that doesnt work with strings

[olive sable]

ah

ok

[tender river]

but definitely use else if instead of ifs

[olive sable]

dair

fair

[tender river]

also what is the GLuint in the ifs for? as of now you're not setting it to anything before passing so it's undefined what it will be initialized with

maybe 0 or 0xCC or 0xFF or whatever the computer and compiler please

[olive sable]

the glGenBuffers(1, &vbo); gives it an actual value

but im still figuring out if i need to save them or not

[tender river]

erm

[olive sable]

yes

[tender river]

oh wait bindAttrib takes a reference not a pointer

carry on

just another one of C++'s cursities

[olive sable]

[tender river]

also

1. use const refs in function parameters when the reference is only used immutably
2. mark functions as const when they don't change the owning class (i.e. when this being const is all you need)
3. why is makeModel a class rather than a function that takes a string and returns a model??????

[olive sable]

cuz im making a drawmodel function too, and its hanfier to store everythin in the class than to have to keep a list of everythin in main.cpp

[opaque sigil]

wait

[olive sable]

???

[opaque sigil]

can you switch on a std::string

[tender river]

i dont think so

[olive sable]

[tender river]

isnt it only for ints/enums