programming

[wet basin]

InaNod~1

thanks candy!

[rigid snow]

or maybe something similar to full-body vr tracking

considering that it kinda looks jank to me

[wet basin]

yea

[wet basin]

Probably this

but a better model that can track hands

anyhow, lots of work poured into it

amazing shit I must say

[rigid snow]

definitely not animated tho

like 100%

[wet basin]

I agree with that

I did see some few stuff like that watching hololive

its more similar to those

rather than an animated 3d thing

[opaque wharf]

Doesn't have to be IR. But high res with tons of clear marker and high FPS sure helps. It being IR just helps reduce the processing needed to 1D instead of 3 R G B

[rigid snow]

it’s usually ir

i didn’t say it has to be

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, usually. But doesn't have to be

[rigid snow]

smh, once again #programming try not to be overly pedantic challenge (impossible) (gone wrong)

[olive sable]

the 500 euro 3090 will be for this saterday

[rigid snow]

is that a second one you’re getting

or is it for someone else

[olive sable]

this one is for superbox

the black market deal

[rigid snow]

oh shit that’s insanely cool

[olive sable]

if you want one too i can also hook you up maybe in a month

[rigid snow]

neurosynth shall thrive

[gritty dust]

yooo

gl

[nocturne olive]

So true

I need that 3090 for NeuroSynth

[wary rover]

Bought 3080 for ~350 euro when I was putting together my PC. Burned to a crisp in 3 months. Had to settle for radeon replacement :(

[rigid snow]

i’ll lose more on the customs fee by buying from you compared to just buying a used one here, they’re like $600 and not hard to find, i live in a huge ass city you know

something something largest in europe

[olive sable]

waht is the tarrifs for gpu's to america? 25%?
at that point you're paying 500*1.25 so 625? at that point idk if its worth sending to the usa

625 euro is 729 dollars

indeed more expensive

[nocturne olive]

That 500€ 3090 is gonna make me broke but it'll be worth it for extreme speedups and quality improvements in NeuroSynth training

[rigid snow]

also let me look the customs fee up it’s actually like bad

[olive sable]

500 euros is 583,77dollars, so a decent deal

[rigid snow]

it’s 0% under €200 value and 5% over

yes, even when directly mailing from people to people

[olive sable]

jut say its broken and worth 150

ez

[rigid snow]

mhm true

[olive sable]

the difrences in price on these sites are really wild

[rigid snow]

oh and that's not counting anything we both lose on fiat->crypto->fiat path

since i cannot wire/send/anything you money

[olive sable]

fiat crypto fiat?

[olive sable]

you cant?

[rigid snow]

fiat currency is traditional currency, not crypto basically

[opaque sigil]

sanctions go brrrr

[rigid snow]

ru

[olive sable]

damn

[dawn vapor]

Anyone know what the best open source (self-hostable) LLM would be for generating structured JSON? While being as small and fast as possible? I've tried Microsoft Phi-3 and Phi-3 Mini, but it's extremely inconsistant, and often doesn't follow the format. Right now I'm using Google Gemma 3 4B, it seems good for most things, but as soon as the prompt gets at all complicated it starts not following even basic directions...

[rigid snow]

you should look into structured outputs

that basically forces them to not just output json, but conform to a json schema even

[rigid snow]

is that what that's called? i'm not sure, openai i think calls them that

i recall llama.cpp having that too

[dawn vapor]

Hmmm thanks I'll look into it.

[fast pagoda]

llama.cpp has it

[dawn vapor]

Looks like lama cpp python has the bindings for it too, thanks guys
https://llama-cpp-python.readthedocs.io/en/latest/server/#function-calling

[fast pagoda]

vllm does it

[rigid snow]

function calling is kind of different no

[fast pagoda]

as well

https://docs.vllm.ai/en/v0.8.2/features/structured_outputs.html

[dawn vapor]

Also https://llama-cpp-python.readthedocs.io/en/latest/#json-and-json-schema-mode

[amber fractal]

Transcoding time (I have only iGPU to work with so I'm not going to have a good time)

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

I regret picking lossless

I'll now not run of storage instantly by accepting some loss

[rigid snow]

lossless video????

you're cooked

[olive sable]

losless vidseo gets to gigabytes really fasty

[amber fractal]

It was on a 20gb left partion (I'm glad I had a terminal open)

It killed itself, so noted to not do that again. Have to learn somehow

[rigid snow]

when i was around 10 i had way too many run-ins with after effects (which isn't - wasn't? - able to encode to lossy on the fly) to ever touch lossless again

yes i'd like 10s of 1080p30 to be 5gb please

looking back it was probably no compression some sort of bmp sequence in a avi container

but like it stumped me as a kid

[amber fractal]

Unlike someone who had a 50gb movie stored on their phone (in this chatroom) I at least have sane limits. I just didn't know how bad it was.

[fast pagoda]

shrek(2001)

[olive sable]

i need to clean my phone 1 day

the problem is that its such a shit interface to delete stuff in

[opaque sigil]

Excuse you

It's not 50 smh

[olive sable]

oh its 80

damn

[opaque sigil]

i still need to finish the movie

[olive sable]

i have like 40 with my phone and tablet combined

[amber fractal]

[opaque sigil]

it's the godfather btw, idk if i mentioned that

[olive sable]

i onlyhave anime lmao

[amber fractal]

No, you did not

[amber fractal]

@nocturne olive xdx

[nocturne olive]

Whar

SMOL

[olive sable]

i dont even use that much storage and i still want to upgrade just cuz superbox calls me smol

[nocturne olive]

That is indeed, SMOL

[amber fractal]

I am much smaller then you and yeah I'm smol

1TB on this one

[nocturne olive]

SMOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[amber fractal]

my 2TB is still unused

Anything but installing windows on it

[gritty dust]

That is very small holy

[olive sable]

most of my storage is on games i almost never play, and random files

[amber fractal]

My win install is almost out of space mhm

[gritty dust]

Damn

[olive sable]

42GB for tha half life rtx demo is wild too

i have the original and its not even a gig thats the installer its like 8 gigs

[amber fractal]

That's like a third of my win drive and 3x my win11 vm drive

[warped narwhal]

Getting my 5tb HDD was a game changer for storing things. And adding part of my nvme as a cache via LVM made it actually usable for the vast majority of things

[olive sable]

i just dont need that much storage

[amber fractal]

vm be like

[olive sable]

idk how i have 200gb in docs

[nocturne olive]

My old NVMe has so many files that it's been counting for like 5 minutes now

[olive sable]

nah actually i realize i have a 70gb copy of files from 3 old laptops, 4 sd cards, and 3 usb's that total 70gb.

and i have a copy on ssd and on hard drive

so that probably accounts for 140gb of that

[warped narwhal]

Use wiztree

[nocturne olive]

I don't know if that has a Linux build

[warped narwhal]

It'll count it up in no time

[rigid snow]

wanna see something horrifying

[warped narwhal]

Qdirstat for linux

[nocturne olive]

Never heard of it

[warped narwhal]

Wiztree, but Linux

[rigid snow]

80gb "system data"

[warped narwhal]

https://github.com/shundhammer/qdirstat#ready-made-packages

[nocturne olive]

I think it's done counting

Or not, but close enough

[olive sable]

530GB windows folder?????????????????????????

how?

[nocturne olive]

It's the label of the drive, not folder

[olive sable]

ahhhh

[nocturne olive]

I named it that to differentiate it from all the others

[olive sable]

hp laptops used to be good

backed up safely

[fast pagoda]

i reduced the size of my models folder from like 2tb to i think more like 1tb

or 1.5

[olive sable]

haapy bday

[fast pagoda]

thank

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[fast pagoda]

i will restock it with more echo checkpoints now that he's an 8b

[nocturne olive]

I wonder how big the NeuroSynth training folder will become once I have a 3090 to accelerate training

[olive sable]

peak 2007 laptop specs

[gritty dust]

switched sides so fast from general lol

[fast pagoda]

vista business damn that's serious OS

[olive sable]

my mom had one of these

i still have it

[fast pagoda]

im listening to evil karaoke and chattin

[olive sable]

and a FireWire port

[fast pagoda]

for the multimedia professional

[amber fractal]

Happy borthday

[fast pagoda]

thank

[rigid snow]

like i'm pretty sure "system data" here, on macos, includes:
homebrew packages - ok sure
a huge ass downloaded system update that i'm not installing
fonts (?)
audio plugins (??)
apple intelligence weights
ALL caches (which is like 30gb)

[olive sable]

brother empty your cache

[rigid snow]

they'll fill back up

i will clear them when i need storage dw

[olive sable]

pc mark 2005

no dedicated gpu tho

[tight tinsel]

happy birthday afunyun!!!!

[fast pagoda]

Thank you :D

[rigid snow]

wtf is this

i swear macos, dude

[olive sable]

mediaan?

[rigid snow]

media analysis d

[warped narwhal]

Media analysis directory

[olive sable]

ohhh

[rigid snow]

i'm pretty sure daemon

in this case

[olive sable]

mediaan is how we call median, so ye

[warped narwhal]

Or that, i thought directory cause afaik macos doesn't support /path.d/

[rigid snow]

OH THANKS MACOS

FACIAL RECOGNITION CACHE fuck you apple

[fast pagoda]

it's been transmitted to apple HQ it's over

[amber fractal]

it's so over

[rigid snow]

i know what this is for, it's so you can search for a person's name and pics/vids with their face comes up, or "cat" or "car" or whatever

well good to know they do it locally at least, looking at you google photos

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

google can predict down to the second what i will do, think, say

im sure

with all the data they have on me

[olive sable]

i miss how much connectivity old laptops had
now we just get 2 usb's and maybe a hdmi

[rigid snow]

no hdmi

[olive sable]

this od beast has dp

[amber fractal]

dp >>> hdmi

[olive sable]

i also have this one, and it still works

altho iirc this one has a broken keyboard

[rigid snow]

i'm pretty sure computers got hdmi much later

hdmi was for like dvd/bluray players and game consoles

[olive sable]

its possible, this one is from 2010

[rigid snow]

basically tv stuff

hdmi is 2004 or 5 i think

[olive sable]

ye

[rigid snow]

2003 actually

[olive sable]

some laptops did have hdmi, some didnt in 2010

it was on its way in i guess

[rigid snow]

hdmi standard older than me

[olive sable]

same

[rigid snow]

not by much though same age basically

my godfather which i haven't seen in actual ages and have 0 clue where and what happened to him for some reason decided that gifting me a psp was a good idea when they were brand new, i was an actual toddler

like 3 maybe?

[faint sandal]

https://www.tenable.com/cve/CVE-2025-49144 who the hell is evaluating this as a CVE

[fast pagoda]

someone got real hype to be submitting a cve for npp

you could get social'd into downloading 2 separate executables

then it's over

for uu

i feel like if you already fell for that much it really isn't gonna go well regardless

[faint sandal]

not even just that the INSTALLER requires admin in the first place

theres no EoP here...

[rigid snow]

does putting these search paths require you to be admin

also SYSTEM is higher than admin no?

[faint sandal]

no, and yes but any admin can elevate as system

this is not considered a vuln

[rigid snow]

if no, then it is eop

[faint sandal]

not in the Windows world - any admin can elevate as system

it is not crossing security boundaries

therefore not enough to be considered EoP

[rigid snow]

i'm not talking about the system user

i mean if you don't have to be admin to put the search paths in

[faint sandal]

by definition of the words, yes, it should be considered EoP, but given no security boundaries is crossed, there is no EoP

[faint sandal]

by that logic any dll side loading should be considered a vuln

that's how dll side loading/hijacking works

https://stillu.cc/threat-spotlight/2020/09/16/dll-hijacking/

I wrote about this ages ago

[rigid snow]

don't you have to be admin to access things like program files

[faint sandal]

and it's a multi decade old trick

no... every user is given a read execute in the ACL for program files

[rigid snow]

write?

[faint sandal]

no

[rigid snow]

well, if you can't replace a dll without admin rights no dll sideloading without admin rights can occur

[faint sandal]

??? The search order includes many user writable directories

[rigid snow]

aha

to be clear im clueless ok

[faint sandal]

the first of which is right next to the executable

[rigid snow]

and not every program is installed with admin rights to a write-protected directory gotcha

[faint sandal]

this is happening before the installation

so it could happen right in your download folder

and it's like a piece of application needs to be installed before it can be used

[rigid snow]

oh like an installer can try to load a dll gotcha

this time fr

[faint sandal]

this is how dll side loading works and malware gets away with running with a signed launcher

because the malware isn't the launcher but the dll next to it

and this is how your mod loaders work for games

[rigid snow]

i'm well aware i just lack the ability to reflect on everything i know at once

well then installers shouldn't load dlls

[faint sandal]

it needs to to do any tasks that rely on Windows APIs

[rigid snow]

just plop a win32.dll into downloads or what

[faint sandal]

anything that imports any functions outside of kernel32 and ntdll is susceptible to this

[rigid snow]

does that actually work?

not signed by microsoft and everything

[faint sandal]

if there is a library called win32 (which there isn't in Windows) and a import of something from it is required, yes

[rigid snow]

i don't remember what the core library is and if it's even dynamically linked

[faint sandal]

let's say my application needs HTTP access and relies on winhttp's WinHttpOpen, I can write a loader that's called winhttp.dll next to the application that uses it, put the malware loading process in DllMain, and pass the exports request back to %windir%\system32\winhttp.dll

[rigid snow]

yeah i get that part

just caught up in the technicality

[faint sandal]

you're probably thinking of kernel32.dll, which is by definition, not search order hijackable

[rigid snow]

yeah

[faint sandal]

the module is loaded into PEB before the process is ever run

see point 34

[rigid snow]

idk just mark everything as non-executable by default or something

[faint sandal]

how do you think the library functions are called and used

[rigid snow]

OH right windows has "read & execute" permission iirc

[faint sandal]

there's no point in needing a library if I can't execute the code required to use the library

[rigid snow]

no i mean like a permission flag

[faint sandal]

yes the loaded text segment will always be RE

[rigid snow]

windows is stupid

[faint sandal]

this is not a windows specific issue...

Linux has the same problem with LD_PRELOAD

[rigid snow]

i really should not be doing this rn my brain barely functions

i'm saying stupid stuff

imma go eep

[tiny mango]

this is juicy, wasn't aware of the linux version

does macos run into the same issues anywhere?

[faint sandal]

idk about Mac specifically

but it should be the same LD_PRELOAD trick

[tiny mango]

inch resting

[faint sandal]

and Linux for sure has its own search order as well

[rigid snow]

you’re talking about memory here right? i’m talking about this specific scenario: user downloads or some program moves that into a search path, it shouldn’t be marked as executable in the fs!!

[past crane]

ooh perfect there's a programming chat!

[tiny mango]

leaf, welcome

[faint sandal]

it doesn't matter, the moment you import a library into memory it is read and executable

[past crane]

imma be here occasionally

[tiny mango]

Mitre person ?

[faint sandal]

that's like asking Linux to not execute an SO library just because it's marked as non-executable on the fs - that's not how it works

[past crane]

Do you guys ever discuss AI development here? I'm trying to get into it

[tender river]

there can only be one

[faint sandal]

bane of my existence

[rigid snow]

my totally reliable source that we all should totally trust (deepseek) told me that LoadLibrary straight up refuses to load dlls without a executable flag

[tender river]

is there executable flag on windows?

[rigid snow]

kinda but not really

[tender river]

anyway filesystem metadata is completely separate from page protection

[tiny mango]

double inch resting, I pass by the office daily :)

[tender river]

sure, but different people have different interests

[faint sandal]

yes

[faint sandal]

no that's not how it works

you can absolutely LoadLibary GetProcAddress and run the said import without an issue even if the ACE is set to RO

[past crane]

I'm looking into RL models. I think they are under explored. I'm new to coding but I'm a sysadmin so I know theory and logic much better than my skills would imply lol

I'm curious if a universal RL model could be made

[tender river]

not really underexplored, theres a loooot of research into it

its just not at the forefront of the LLM hype

[rigid snow]

i am AWARE all i’m saying is: nobody manually maps dlls, exploiting side loading with dlls downloaded by a clueless user would not be a thing if random dlls weren’t being marked as r&e by default but rather just read

[tender river]

you'd need a "universal" unhackable metric, which sounds pretty tricky if you ask me

[faint sandal]

once again what's the point of having an unusable library if the developer can't use it...

[past crane]

Less "unhackable" and more "frictionless". Imagine a program that can allow you to explore possibility space. I dont think LLMs can do that efficiently but I think RL can.

LLMs are static once they are built. But an RL model can continue to learn. Meaning it can try things and learn from them as its doing things

[tender river]

unhackable means the model cant easily find an exploit that lets it get free points without doing something we'd want it to do

[faint sandal]

imagine a UAC prompt every time a program tries to load a legitimate QT runtime

[tiny mango]

i think occasionally people enjoy arguing for the sake of argument rather than deriving anything from the convo

[past crane]

aah gotcha.

Hmm... I dont think the solution is to eliminate it. think of humans. humans do the same thing and we call it laziness. rather to reduce it enough. LLMs do it pretty well. imma research that maybe

[tiny mango]

Is a gradient boosting machine considered RL?

[faint sandal]

I'm starting to lose patience for this conversation

[tender river]

dont ask me i'm very clueless

[rigid snow]

the distinction here is “random” and what i mean is downloaded through a web browser or unarchived from a zip or etc., not unpacked by an installer. i’ll simplify further: marking libraries as executable should require admin privileges

although this sounds like a terrible idea now that i’ve typed this out

[tiny mango]

then pop a cold one and call it quits :D

[tiny mango]

allowed

[faint sandal]

this is super infeasible

[rigid snow]

yep

[tiny mango]

Just ran into a model depending on how purple an image was over how much cancer it was seeing and it took a while to catch

was running on GBM

[faint sandal]

you're better off just actually limiting privileges in the first place

which is what Administrator Protection in 11 Canary aims to do

[past crane]

imma have to lurk here forever just reading and googling terminology to understand most of this LOL XD

def looking forward to doing that tho!

[tiny mango]

Important to note that CS is very vast and you can be super knowledgable in something and someone else here will totally roll you in what they know in something else

you don't have to know everything and none of us really do, but super cool that you're passionate :)

[past crane]

Nah I know that DW. I'm a server guy actually so I'm great at hardware. I'm just super greedy about wanting to learn and know everything!

[rigid snow]

i can’t say if this has been a good or a bad place to learn

it’s definitely a place mhm

[past crane]

well my current place is hitting my head against chatgpt and my place before this was a couple friendly gray hat hackers. so this is def an improvement lol

[tiny mango]

Hardware like networks/vm or hardware like embedded?

[past crane]

physical hardware, networks, etc. I have a niche of local small businesses who need general services

[tiny mango]

Gotchya gotchya, v cool

[past crane]

I was experimenting with some code. I think chatgpt is being a yes man

its saying what I built is actually very powerful/impressive but idk if its being bias so im curious

in essence, it can do this:

x=0
for, i=0, i<=x, i++
x=5
print i

and it'll print i 5 times. It rewrites the loop condition check from within itself

and I can nest eval in it

[rigid snow]

it be saying that to anything remotely not basic

[past crane]

Yep thats what I figured. Its goal is to make the user feel special

hence, good to get out of that echo chamber a bit

im told this is called meta programming

[tiny mango]

while not totally against llms doing your work or looking it over, i feel they remove a lot of the struggle and thus learning moments from you

if you want to get into programming then look at resources like <languageofchoice>byexample

one I referenced a lot in my start with golang: https://gobyexample.com/

[past crane]

I agree but I have a very specific goal in mind of something I'm trying to program and learning coding the proper way would take too long. Like years long. I've been "coding" for like 6 months and I'm forking cpython to change core behavior

cant do that on such a short time frame the normal way

[rigid snow]

ok so, first i wouldn’t call it metaprogramming this is like the most naive interpretation of that possible, second i knew it would be glazing but not THAT hard, sure it’s kinda impressive and powerful to a beginner but not the code itself but rather the concept and understanding it is

[past crane]

tbf my code does a lot more. Like a lot. but idk how much I can share rn.

[rigid snow]

and you’re not actually rewriting the condition of the loop

[hoary lion]

pretty sure not plausible, as that means there should be somehow a common loss for every task

[tiny mango]

I'd argue that you can, but it may take a lot more struggle and dedication than you may have available to you

[past crane]

but ya this is the kind of cold water splash I needed to get me out of the echo chamber of LLMs

[hoary lion]

which... likely requires human feedback to make it actually work

but that's not RL

that is just RLHF

bad rl

[rigid snow]

rlhf is good rl

vibes based training

[past crane]

hmm.

[rigid snow]

my comment isn’t serious btw

[past crane]

I think I need to do a lot more research. Cus it looks like a lot of the ideas I came up with naturally through experimentation and theory crafting already exist in some form. Which is fine, it shows im heading in a good direction.

[faint sandal]

unrelated kinda annoying that i keep waking up to my iphone not being charged because i didn't unlock it after i plugged it in

before you ask no i don't main an iphone

[olive sable]

you need to unlock it?

[faint sandal]

because it's connected to an "accessory"

[tiny mango]

maybe it's time!

[faint sandal]

and iOS does not allow interaction with an accessory without unlocking the device

even if it's just charging

which i understand but still annoying

[tiny mango]

I've conntected airpods while my phone was locked and charging, am I losing it?

Does it maybe see the charger as an accessory -- ie is the charger you're using not apple-branded?

[faint sandal]

no as in the charger is connected to part of an accessory

it's a dongle

[tiny mango]

Ahhhhhhh

What's the setup, then -- lightning on one side and wired buds on the other?

Or wireless charging with the dongle in?

[faint sandal]

lightning + ethernet

[tiny mango]

Well that blows

[faint sandal]

the iphone is used for facial tracking

so it's wired up for better latency

[tiny mango]

I see I see, I can't think of a workaround besides upgrading to USB-C since I thiiiiiiink they're less picky with accessories on newer models

[faint sandal]

that and my AP sucks

[tiny mango]

Not something you should have to do as a consumer, though :/

[faint sandal]

yeah but it's not like there's any major improvement to facial tracking so my 12 mini still suffices

[tiny mango]

TWELVE MINI?

grandpa phone my beloved

[faint sandal]

i'd be more inclined to upgrade if, yknow, they kept the mini line

[tiny mango]

Lowkey valid

[lethal axle]

I like mini phones

[tiny mango]

What about the SE?

[faint sandal]

it's a very good size for a secondary phone

[lethal axle]

If it becomes a full screen

[tiny mango]

valid takes all around

[faint sandal]

i'm not really interested in upgrading unless it breaks so badly that i can't fix it or there's a major feature that i REALLY really need

or security update lapses

[lethal axle]

right too

[tiny mango]

Yeah no, totally reasonable

Lack of charge still blows, though

[faint sandal]

this thing barely holds charge i can do nothing on it and it'll still drop to 30% or less in 12 hours

[lethal axle]

I love restoring phones

[tiny mango]

king shit tbh

[faint sandal]

to be fair i haven't replaced the battery

and it's sitting at like, 70% health

"i'll get around to it some day"

[lethal axle]

LOL

Replacing the battery is not difficult

good luck

[tiny mango]

augh was staying up for the new love island episode forgetting it's a wednesday and thus no ep

nighty night

[tight tinsel]

LMFAO

[opaque wharf]

You're gonna get disowned instead here

[tight tinsel]

funny read

[queen ginkgo]

Is this a joke?

[tight tinsel]

https://www.apple.com/education/college-students/#presentation

[olive sable]

[queen ginkgo]

WTF

185mb too, what are they putting in those?!

Is it infected with like 50 macro viruses or something?

[hoary lion]

only mac ima use is mac mini

[amber fractal]

Only mac I'm going to use is iMac I got awhile ago for probably too much

[faint sandal]

is there any ai agent that can look at my files and compile a report for me

preferably ones that run locally

[olive sable]

trying some more objectloading. it sure is something

[amber fractal]

More of the scene, and whatever that is

[olive sable]

the gltf file loader i stole online and mofified with chatgpt seems to not be workign completely, i wonde why

[opaque wharf]

You did WHAT?

The loader is that gltf library right?

Tinygltf?

[olive sable]

i have a library yes, but that doesnt mean you can just say "hey, load it and bind it, off you go"

[opaque wharf]

Oh, so the library is just for parsing the gltf

[olive sable]

i think so ye

there is an example file i guess

[opaque wharf]

Yep, good luck with that then

Nah, I just thought that the library could also load the model to the gpu

But nope, just a serde

[amber fractal]

serde? Just a serde, it just parses and doesn't do anything useful.

[opaque wharf]

It could save

So they use the term load and save as in parsing the file, you can do stuff with the in memory representation, and later write those changes back to the file

But I wrongly assumed they mean load the model to gpu

[amber fractal]

"But my cpu rendering, I need to be able to show fancy graphics in the tty"

[faint sandal]

re: earlier discussion for the CVE

https://fxtwitter.com/AzakaSekai_/status/1938117130651898282

安坂星海 Azaka || VTuber (@AzakaSekai_)

I thought about it more, and yeah I kinda understand why this CVE was assigned now. The problem isn't necessarily the EoP itself, but the installer launches regsrv32 without an explicit path, and because the installer is required to run with administrative privileges, it could become an EoP for an unrelated application

**👁️ 9 **

FxTwitter · Jun 26, 2025, 6:08 AM

[stark needle]

Who tf said we needed rtx 5050

Why is it still 1:1 the same card

It's still slowe than a rtx 2060

????

Someone explain this to me

[lapis wraith]

Modern E-waste

And I bet it will be over 200 dollars when it should'nt be a product in the first place

[stark needle]

Tf u mean surely not😊

4x frame rate!!!!!!!

(let's ignore the turned on 4x frame gen)

[olive sable]

Gn

[uneven pulsar]

morining

[lapis wraith]

Gotta love frame gen on less than 60FPS base performance

[uneven pulsar]

also the 5070 ti is the only 50 series grahics card worth it

[uneven pulsar]

@stark needle to be honest the 5070 ti is the only worth to buy it got ot fps and meh performace and meh prcice

[lapis wraith]

That card costs more than my whole computer for a 70 class card?? Naaah!

[uneven pulsar]

thats cuz of msrp

and shitty retailer pricing

[lapis wraith]

scrapler pricing

[uneven pulsar]

just stop the hate on the price just look for some one who isn't stupid at selling prices

at least its not 8gb

[lapis wraith]

I'm just not gonna look at that card and stick with my 3060 12GB

[uneven pulsar]

my sister brought her 5070 ti for 600$ and 16g

[uneven pulsar]

just go with amd then if you want value

[lapis wraith]

I would, but the only thing my pc can't run well is VR-Chat. The rest i want to play it does run. So... I really don't need the upgrade

[amber fractal]

I hear VRC doesn't run well even on the best of cards

[stark needle]

Depends on the vr headset

E.g. on a 2x2160x2160 headset ur rendering a 2160x4320 image basically

[unkempt citrus]

Money

[uneven pulsar]

guys wanna see the gpu prices for me i got crazy shit

[faint sandal]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/style-guide/grammar/verbs

TIL Microsoft Docs has a specific guideline for writing in brand

[maiden geyser]

in the business, they call this capitalism

[scarlet arch]

we just wrote a load balancer (technically a threadpool) and it manages to shove through 5 million inputs per second, regardless of thread count or queue max sizes. very suspicious

[tender river]

the joys of parallel programming

[scarlet arch]

I mean the thing was written in about a day and works flawlessly. just now benchmarking it with 3 different config parameters and about 2/3rds through and it's all pushing through 1 million elements in 200ms or so. trying to come up with a reason on why specifically that limit, but hmmm

second benchmark we'll write later uses differently sized inputs to see if that affects anything

this all seems to be within the margin of error, except for the cases where the job queue size is 10 lol

we currently try to send an element to it followed by a try to receive one, counting up both ends until they reach the target amount.
I wonder if instead there should be a separate sending and receiving thread, followed by a simple join to await them finishing, to make it faster?

[rigid snow]

at least get a used 13 mini, the battery life on the 12 mini was embarrassing

oh face tracking nvm

one improvement there is between them in that regard is the 13 supports landscape

[rigid snow]

ikr what am i supposed to upgrade to

[jagged marsh]

Also try changing the stats report interval.... sometimes stdio can be a contention point.

[scarlet arch]

we're using criterion. there's no stats reporting whatsoever until the benchmark is done

[jagged marsh]

Ah... super

[scarlet arch]

with queue sizes being equal, a 8 thread load balancer is a million elements slower than a 4 thread one. wtf is happening :D

to be fair, it's not executing anything. it just passes through the items. so maybe that's a bit of a useless benchmark

[opaque wharf]

Indeed. At that point you're just benchmarking the speed of the data transfer

[scarlet arch]

which is what we're testing.

trying to benchmark separate components of it basically

cause if the management thread that inputs and takes elements from the jobs is slow, then we need to know

[jagged marsh]

Yes, could be worker job load is low... or also compare against your system limits sysbench memory

[scarlet arch]

but maybe using () as our values wasn't that smart. I'll suggest just a counter

[opaque wharf]

But the 8 thread one is slower

[scarlet arch]

here's the rest:

[jagged marsh]

Depends... on a lot... could >8threads use more IO on your CPU (like dual CCDs on Ryzen)?
Or better use the cache?

[scarlet arch]

I could create a 3D graphic of these inputs now to see where we're the fastest and slowest, but I feel like there's no use haha

[scarlet arch]

criterion warms up the cache so we can likely ignore that one

[jagged marsh]

Also, at some point I would try a bigger worker job to be more realistic to real workloads.

[opaque wharf]

But also, yeah, try using counter as data, not just blank

[scarlet arch]

yeah we have several benchmark types planned

I might try and profile it to see why it's so consistently slow

[opaque wharf]

Best case is benchmarking with real world data, or something close to it

[jagged marsh]

If you really get into the weeds... see ChipsAndCheese CPU architecture deep dive articles

[scarlet arch]

using usize as the items and doing a minimal transformation (simple addition) in the load balancer jobs makes things minimally faster hahaha

[sage crag]

mrm

i forgot you dont have any push access to the lily-org repos

[opaque wharf]

The LSP is done. And chay be like: "Let me in, let me iiiinnnnn"

[jagged turtle]

esbuild... why...

[sage crag]

is it a directory or is a .d.ts file

[opaque wharf]

I sure wish its a directory

[jagged turtle]

./types/git.d.ts

[sage crag]

yeh, use full path

[sage crag]

could be .d for daemon

[jagged turtle]

💀

??? is this thing stupid

you can store const enums in there

🤦

and yet when I shorten it down the ./types/git it also complains

[dry charm]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39040108/import-class-in-definition-file-d-ts

I knew something fucked up is going on

but lmao

[jagged turtle]

but also this is the first time it's popped up

previously both tsc and esbuild compiled correctly

[dry charm]

Does those files have import by any chance?

and this one doesn't

[opaque wharf]

Ideally, you should not store JS code in there. Just types

[jagged turtle]

Go tell Microsoft/VSCode maintainers that then

[dry charm]

enum is technically correct

you can store enum there since it is a fixed const type definition

and also d.ts gets rolled into a js file anyway

[opaque wharf]

enum is, but I assume const enum is a variable with const declaration

[jagged turtle]

been the same git.d.ts for months

[jagged turtle]

yeah been wondering what the diff between const enum and plain enum is

[opaque wharf]

Honestly, I'm not that deep into the spec. I just assumed enum can be transpiled but const as const cannot

[dry charm]

https://aliasger.dev/difference-between-enum-and-const-enum-in-typescript TIL

[opaque wharf]

Because JS doesn't have enum

[jagged turtle]

ts seems to use a hacky workaround for normal enums lol

[opaque wharf]

Because it is. Remember, TS has to compile to JS in the end. I don't really use d.ts file anymore since its just a source of headache honestly

If I need a type import then just do that

import type { Something } from "./module"

[jagged turtle]

ik

[jagged turtle]

I did do that... in the line above where the error was supposedly at

[opaque wharf]

But you don't have git.ts file do you?

Look, enum has to transpile to JS so it needs a code. You can't have it in just a type declaration file (d.ts)

[opaque wharf]

*If you want to use the value

[jagged turtle]

no

[jagged turtle]

yeah ok and it's worked for a while now with no issues

so either esbuild got an update that I somehow just installed even though I didn't do anything

or something else idk but I need to fix it

aaaand now I can't polyfill

[opaque wharf]

Btw, does anyone have a good recommendation for cross-platform mobile development framework?

Is flutter still good or is there any other competitor?

Good as in, it's not just wrapping the webview

[next marlin]

Flutter is good but if you want something new KMP with jetpack compose is the best choice IMHO

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I've read about KMP, Flutter, ReactNative, Xamarin, MAUI, and more but I just wanted another opinion that works on this space. I'll try out KMP, thank you

[olive sable]

Melee

[uneven pulsar]

why cant they just add a direct debug button for ts like i have to every time open the terminal type npx ts-node yourfile.ts every time

[uneven pulsar]

old smash?

[olive sable]

Yes

[uneven pulsar]

or the modern one?

[olive sable]

Gamecube

[uneven pulsar]

wow

[uneven pulsar]

thats old

[olive sable]

[uneven pulsar]

you know better than js

ts better in my opinion

[rigid snow]

rs even better trust

[opaque wharf]

Skill issue

[uneven pulsar]

rs?

[uneven pulsar]

you do have a point.....

[rigid snow]

yes, you know, .rs?

[uneven pulsar]

at least it doesn't fail me when i want to run a js code on the browser

[uneven pulsar]

OH rust huh

you know rust?

[rigid snow]

does anyone ever “know” anything

i suppose i have written and am familiar with rust

[noble zodiac]

the real question is does rust know you

[rigid snow]

absolutely not

[uneven pulsar]

nope

[rigid snow]

parasocial

[uneven pulsar]

what🫥

[sage crag]

i am properly borrow checked

[rigid snow]

i don’t need borrow checking because i never lend out money in an unsafe manner

nor do i take loans

is “borrow checking” checking your credit score/history

[noble zodiac]

Id say there are a few rust war veterans in here

[olive jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/he-was-forced-cpp-c-plus-plus-floppy-sad-seal-gif-15317257819177505367

NOOO

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/neurosama-evil-neuro-embed-failure-gif-15456327638408323033

[maiden geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/671211728968744980/1028258145157513216/togif-1.gif

[olive jasper]

😭

SORRY

[olive sable]

the masculine role of playing hatsune miku in just dance 2015 for the xbox 360 kinect

anyways, i got superbox's money, so i can go after the 3090 now

[opaque wharf]

Did you mug him?

[olive sable]

no,

hes giving me mnoney, i but a 3090 with it here, then i send it to him

[opaque wharf]

The Ring Voice: "After all why not? Why shouldn't I keep it?"

[olive sable]

i wouldnt do that lmao

i need superbox to get me that neurosynth

[opaque wharf]

You want to integrate it to your game or what?

[olive sable]

yes

or well, the output weill be used as sound files

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, asset creation is what I mean. Generating the audio on the fly would be insane

[olive sable]

on the fly would be insanbely expensive for web

im just gonna preprocces that

[opaque wharf]

Not if you offload it to a server via API

So it'll only be expensive for you, not everyone

[olive sable]

i could do that.. my server will have a 3060ti

but idk

[nocturne olive]

Well, you need a 4070Ti to run NeuroSynth real-time on a single track at the inference quality I use

[olive sable]

i doubt well go that way anyways

dont want to dela with server issues

[noble zodiac]

did you mog him?

[olive sable]

mog?

[noble zodiac]

lil bro doesnt know the lingo

[nocturne olive]

Yeah, it makes no sense to real-time generate what never changes anyway

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Unless if Sam also decides text will be generated by LLM

[nocturne olive]

Well, NeuroSynth isn't a TTS, it's horrible for real-time speech

[opaque wharf]

Like that StardewValley mod called ValleyTalk

[nocturne olive]

Unless a 100% flat pitch profile with non-variant timings is acceptable to you

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I know from the name Synth

[olive sable]

the train tickets will be 15.40 apparnetly

[opaque wharf]

One way?

[olive sable]

both ways

[opaque wharf]

Not three ways?

[olive sable]

???

[opaque wharf]

I'm just one upping it, it doesn't exists (as far as I know anyway)

[olive sable]

three ways would be a middle stop

but since i will be on the train for liek 6 hours im not doing that

[olive sable]

if i say :hyperyay: to chatgpt it responds with "feel free to ping me if ..."

so openai definetly scraped discord data

anyways,t he test scene seems to be working pretty well now besides some transparency issues

[nocturne olive]

[olive sable]

no shading yet but the fps is good

[hoary lion]

rahh

gm

[olive sable]

gm

[tight tinsel]

gn

[olive sable]

gn

[olive sable]

this is appartently with 40% gpu and not that much cpu

so idk where the botleneck is

[opaque sigil]

io?

[olive sable]

idk

it might just be cpu since i have 1 core at 80%

[nocturne olive]

Very

[tender river]

mrrrp

i guess i should stop being lazy by sending patches to you and actually send them out properly

[sage crag]

probably

though right now im rewriting how the targets work so i expect a bunch of everything to change

i found the targets as they exist are kinda cumbersome

[olive sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya5xbfyp4Xs facts

the only reason im a contributor to a repo is cuz the api was missing features i needed

[sage crag]

im still not happy with this way of doing it though, so im probably going to end up rewriting everything from scratch to get a clearer picture

sometimes you gotta rewrite everything

the gains in performance will be 0, the binary size gain will be negative, and the gain in code size will be large

however, it will mean i can open the door to things like threads

which i wanted to implement early, but got stuck on the terrible target system

[tender river]

good luck, i believe in you

[sage crag]

nmo, stop that

im going on break and reading a book

[uneven pulsar]

1 qubit hello world in qhblang when

[sage crag]

noe

very non-quantum computing for me

[olive sable]

aight i have to go to my graduation ceremony, bye

[tender river]

how would you even represent hello world with one qubit

[sage crag]

same way as you do with 1 bit

[tender river]

right

[sage crag]

which is to say, make a cpu that has a hello world opcode

[tender river]

bye make sure to wear a hololive tshirt like i did on mine

[tender river]

are quantum computers von neumann though?

im pretty sure code for quantum computers is stored using regular bits, would be pretty silly to use qubits for it

[sage crag]

we will just call it a qopcode

[tender river]

not that i have ever used a quantum computer

[sage crag]

opqode

[tender river]

what a wonderful use of qbits

[sage crag]

its a quantum binary

sometimes bugs sometimes not

(maybe) bugs in this execution

[uneven pulsar]

the qbit is both the length of a string in bits and every randomized bit of a string

[tender river]

physical heisenbugs

[merry atlas]

bugs? you mean features

[sage crag]

no

i meant bugs as bugs not bugs as in features

[merry atlas]

oh im braindead

ig that happens when im dead

[sage crag]

that's quite rude to yourself

[merry atlas]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tender river]

i saw some cute smol birds today

[sage crag]

not braindead, youre just talking to a weirdo

[merry atlas]

eh im a weirdo too tho

[steep tinsel]

with all that quantum stuff, i've fallen into "Is a quantum computer turing complete?"

[sage crag]

is a quantum computer turing complete

well i hope so, otherwise its just a quantum calculator

bwa

[tender river]

i have no idea how quantum computers work physically all i know is the rough idea of what can be done with them

wouldnt surprise me if its just a regular computer with a bunch of super expensive external qubits

[steep tinsel]

found this article: https://techevaluate.com/are-quantum-computers-considered-turing-machines/

[olive sable]

I dont have much merch lmao

Im just wearing a white shirt

[sage crag]

whenthe

[tender river]

i'm an arch user now (i've had to install the only thing worked on the pinephone in the limited ~2 hours i had which ended up being arch)

[sage crag]

arch is a distro that exists

i can confirm

why would anyone use a distro that doesnt exist

that would be silly

[tender river]

templeos but it's all in your head

[steep tinsel]

@tender river just one step away from "Linux from Scratch"

[tender river]

lfs is boring

[olive sable]

Professionele 🤓

[steep tinsel]

Strapped in for the ride !

[amber fractal]

Good morbing chat

[maiden geyser]

good morning indeed

[sage crag]

true!

[stark needle]

Good

<insert english word>

[tender river]

foxess

english word

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/foxess

🦊

[stark needle]

i hope <insert pronoun> <insert conjugated "to be" word> doing <insert adverb>

[merry atlas]

we playing mad-libs now?

[tender river]

we are now learning formal grammars

[merry atlas]

fishes

[stark needle]

Grammar is a joke i hate grammar grrrrrr

[merry atlas]

multiple different fish of different species

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fishes

[warped narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/fail-embed-fail-embed-gif-9722294440617564781

[merry atlas]

eh i didn't care about it being embed

[tender river]

i know nothing about grammars even though its supposed to be useful for language development

[merry atlas]

grammars suck

[sage crag]

[tender river]

something something la lr peg recursive descent context free blah blah blah

[sage crag]

[merry atlas]

like police police police is a sentence

[sage crag]

true

so is aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

so basically, its not worth thinking about

language is turing complete

[tender river]

i think about aaaaaaaaaaa all the time

its a good use of my time

[merry atlas]

"James, while John had had "had", had had "had had"; "had had" had had a better effect on the teacher."

"Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo."

english is so dumb

[tender river]

ambiguity is common in natural languages

[tender river]

oh discord changed tags to show the full tag of message sender users

i dont like how it takes up space

[opaque wharf]

A sam video eithout audio?

[olive sable]

This time im not shitposting

[opaque wharf]

Phase connect

[opaque wharf]

Awww

[opaque wharf]

I think we only ever manipulated the bit using raw gates. So there is no CPU architecture yet so to speak

[amber fractal]

We wait for binary solace background music so at least all of the demos have audio

[olive sable]

I should add the sdl audio shit ye

[tender river]

[tender river]

its like every cool problem in mathematics is unsolveable smh

[amber fractal]

Gotta do the game version so it is still as loud as the usual posts

[olive sable]

Anyways its ya boi

[amber fractal]

[opaque wharf]

Vedal cursor is probably using Neuro, that must be what Neuro means when she said "Hold on I'm trying to cause a problem with my AI"

[nocturne olive]

Sillying?

[opaque wharf]

If the face is not censored I would use the lul response

[olive sable]

Im not doxxing myself

Superbox already knows my home adress

[amber fractal]

Just put the kekw emote over it :xdx:

[opaque wharf]

I mean, the axioms that we use in math can't even be proven to be consistent. What do you expect with that from any system?

[olive sable]

But i inow his full legal name

But ye no

We wont be doxxing

Not me nor anyone else

[maiden geyser]

yet?

[opaque wharf]

According to what I google, this is the average Belgian

[stark needle]

No way congratulations sam!!!!

[stark needle]

What ai thinks is the average belgian😭

[olive sable]

Nah, they got the bg wrong

[opaque wharf]

Look at that chad

[amber fractal]

Face reveal smh

[stark needle]

the bg seems like Germany

[olive sable]

Thus is the proper bg

The frituur

[stark needle]

https://tenor.com/view/drool-anime-wow-gif-14210716

[amber fractal]

Dang it I'm more hungry

[olive sable]

This is the place we spend triple digits each week

[stark needle]

So good looking ⁉️

ima be honest

All countries but Switzerland have good cuisine if ur lactose intolerant

[wary rover]

Man I love meat and meat-related products

[olive sable]

Meat is good

[tender river]

secret chayleaf fact im vegetarian

[maiden geyser]

isn't it written on your website

[tender river]

no

[amber fractal]

nowaying secret fact unlocked

[olive sable]

Im not suprised with the word leaf in your name

I expected it honestly

[opaque wharf]

You'll love the food here then

[opaque sigil]

I was about to say, I feel like I've been to that exact street before

[opaque wharf]

So Toast is German

[opaque sigil]

I am yeah

[wary rover]

Doxxing any%

[opaque wharf]

Must be fun reading Dutch that Sam sometimes sent

[opaque sigil]

It sure is

[olive sable]

I can understand how that would look like germany ye

Some places in belgium also look like that tho

Brugge and Brussels mainly

[opaque wharf]

Well, Europe is quite interconnected after all. No wonder if the culture easily mixed

[opaque sigil]

I'm in the south west so it's pretty close, especially around towns closer to luxembourg

[opaque wharf]

I just remember now that I think my country has no equivalent of middle ages culture

Ahh, so we did have it. It's just that it doesn't looks too far off from our current culture

[wary rover]

Usually middle ages refers to the time after the fall of the Western Roman Empire and ends with forgor what event, so it's not really culture thing in my understanding

[opaque wharf]

Middle age is medieval age right?

[olive sable]

we have some gold plated buildings from when we had good industry. how the great have fallen

[wary rover]

I hated history in school. I was playing poker at the back of the class instead of listening. So idk

[opaque wharf]

Also I don't know if our culture hasn't changed much from the old times is a good or bad sign

[olive sable]

peak belgian architecture late 17th century

ignore the stock photo shit

idk why they trademarked this picture

[wary rover]

Not financially viable. I think we should demolish it and build a huge parking lot instead

[olive sable]

there's "16 97" engraved in gold on the side

[amber fractal]

The true american way

[olive sable]

i kinda like the gold tho

[opaque wharf]

Our 17th century architecture is just Dutch architecture lol

[olive sable]

still good architecture tho

[amber fractal]

Note to self, do a fun violet and gold design just to see how it looks

100% rich

May do marble flooring with sliver as well as a base, just for the lols

[opaque wharf]

Well, depending on the POV, maybe it is better. Before that we used to live in something that you may call a mudhut lol

But the architecture before the 17th century is basically very open

[olive sable]

where do you even live?

[opaque wharf]

Indonesia

[olive sable]

ahh

i had some lessons on that in dutch class

[opaque wharf]

Of course you will

[olive sable]

ye was not very poggers

[opaque wharf]

Also why I said that chay would love the food here lol. Staple food is usually vegan but taste heavenly

[wary rover]

Idk why, but I have a habit of eating same dish every day for months straight and the more I eat it the more delicious it is to me

[maiden geyser]

is it over?

[olive sable]

based

firefox 100%

[amber fractal]

It already was over

[opaque wharf]

That pewds?

[olive sable]

yes

[opaque wharf]

The pipeline is real lol

[amber fractal]

first arch, now google hate

[opaque wharf]

From linux to degoogle

[wary rover]

degoogle is such a funny word

[olive sable]

72 google employees did not like the video

[amber fractal]

Yep

[opaque wharf]

Also becoming aware of how to make your own stuff like the camera that he made

The Linux™ Pipeline

[olive sable]

googledebumkers is also one of my favs

you drive me googledebunkers

[wary rover]

My favorite is probably "I'm losing my McFucking marbles"

[warped narwhal]

[opaque wharf]

"No this is McDonalds" - Evil, a McNeuro employee

[opaque wharf]

His phone now runs on grapheneOS

[olive sable]

based

pewds is becoming the ultimate chad

[nocturne olive]

Did you know? My PC was originally meant to have a 3070, but I didn't manage to get one as they were out of stock at the time, then the 4070Ti launch happened

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

If I only had a 3070 NeuroSynth may never actually have happened

So I guess in the end it worked out

And now I'm getting a 3090 because 12GB of VRAM is still way insufficient

[olive sable]

it appears to be 6h train there, and 6 hours back

so ye...

il be home at midnight

[nocturne olive]

The 3090 is worth some time commitment

I'll be able to do so much more batch size on NeuroSynth

[stray dragon]

that's an interesting day lol

[olive sable]

my saterday will be bwaa

[opaque sigil]

That's some commitment damn

[olive sable]

the 500 euro 3090 will be mine

before i send it to superbox

[nocturne olive]

It'll be worth the improvements in NeuroSynth development efficiency

[wary rover]

I think I greatly underestimated complexity of serde and it's implementation. It's been three days and I didn't make much progress

Like, I learned a lot, but it feels like no matter how I try to implement it there is always a missing step

Satoru Gojo's infinity type shit

[opaque wharf]

What do you mean trying to implement?

[wary rover]

Use. Type symbols into compiler until result I desire is achieved

[opaque sigil]

serde is pretty complicated, don't feel too bad

[wary rover]

I don't know proper terminology yet:)

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, because implement and serde could mean very different things than using the library that's why I ask for clarification

[tender river]

thats why i told you to start with more basic stuff

[sage crag]

serde is complicated

[wary rover]

And that's why I'm going to bash my head against the problem until I learn how to solve it

[sage crag]

osu mindblock

[opaque sigil]

https://youtu.be/BI_bHCGRgMY here's a nice video you reminded me exists

[tender river]

osu gn heat abnormal

[wary rover]

I think I made a layout of steps and code for them, but they refuse to work together, so I'm now learning how to connect them into one big Megazord

[sage crag]

the way rust works makes it very hard to try and solve parts of problems independently

[wary rover]

I mean, if I understood sintax and logic of it perfectly I would be able to connect them. So if I learn more I'll naturally solve it

[sage crag]

[hoary lion]

You would not have awkward step left when you go two per each step

Even is always better

[maiden geyser]

depends on how long are my steps

[nocturne olive]

Even assuming it's also divisible by 3

[tender river]

so multiples of 6?

thats pretty uncommon i'd assume

[nocturne olive]

Pretty much

That's just what lines up best for me

[warped narwhal]

12 stairs is pretty common in houses with 2 floors

in the uk at least

[tender river]

classic uk

[sage crag]

hang on let me count

15

[wary rover]

I mean, if you think of this from the point of view of movement commitment odd makes more sense. We have a dominant hand, but we also have a dominant leg in a way. If you practiced athletics you know, that starting a 100m dash for example is more comfortable and stable if you use lets say left leg, and not a right one and vise versa. Odd number of stairs makes sure that you start and finish your assend with a step assigned to the same leg (if you start with a left leg step you finish with left leg step)

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile me jumping up 3 and down 2 stairs at a time

(that's where the divisible by 2 and 3 thing comes from)

[wary rover]

Do you do "up 3" with the same leg every time?

[nocturne olive]

I don't think so, I alternate so I can go at optimal speeds

[wary rover]

Interesting

I don't know what conclusion can we draw out of this

Stairs👍

[opaque wharf]

That he is a lunatic is the conclusion that I come to

Just like those that prefer the vertical axis inverted in First-person view game

[wary rover]

If I am really hasty I grab the railings with a hand and jump above the flight of stairs and descend 0,5 floors per jump

[sage crag]

lunatic or giant

if i stepped 3 i would be going half my height

[opaque wharf]

Oh yeah, that too

[olive sable]

i like when its a nice number. 2 is akward, 15 is nice, 10 is nice, 7 is a shit number, ...

[opaque wharf]

So you hate prime. You must've love highly composite number

[wary rover]

How tall are people here

Im 184cm

[olive sable]

184 too ye

[opaque wharf]

I am older than Sam and is 170 lol

Genetics do be like that

[wary rover]

Can depend on where are you born. European people are pretty tall if you consider all people in the world

But only northen, central and eastern europe

[sage crag]

bwa

[wary rover]

mediterranean and Balkan people tend to be shorter

[opaque sigil]

konii smol

[sage crag]

u smol

[opaque sigil]

I should probably get out of bed

[olive sable]

konni you're like 174 iirc

smol

[sage crag]

extremely loud incorrect buzzer

[opaque sigil]

Wasn't it like 160

Or 150 idr

[sage crag]

less loud incorrect buzzer

[olive sable]

lower otr higher than 174?

[sage crag]

heavens no im not nekomiya

[sage crag]

u will never know

[opaque sigil]

probs 163 or so then

[olive sable]

150 is legally a dwarf

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

oh ye its was 164 or smthing

not 174

[wary rover]

Last time I checked it was 146 I think

[sage crag]

what

[olive sable]

yourself?

[wary rover]

Dwarfism threshhold I mean

[olive sable]

ah

[opaque wharf]

That was funny af lol

[opaque sigil]

Be happy konii, you don't want to be tall trust me

It sucks up here

[opaque wharf]

Mushroom just there, measuring konii height

[olive sable]

147 apaprently

[opaque wharf]

But then smol people are closer to hell cause apparently, many of them is easily angy

[opaque sigil]

Sounds like a good trade

Where can I sign up

[olive sable]

my back hurts
my left shoulder is not as attached as it shoudl be

[amber fractal]

I'd want a few inches off, I don't want to be over 6ft