programming

[tender river]

having java games doesnt imply java based

[opaque wharf]

Well, just my assumption

[rigid snow]

early android

[olive sable]

you're saying "not qwerty keyboard" like qwerty is the norm

[tender river]

did early android support j2me games? i kinda doubt that

[rigid snow]

early android is a java-based os

[tender river]

i mean, so is modern android, kinda

[opaque wharf]

I mean, it has candy bar keyboard

[tender river]

my point is, on those late 00s-early 10s j2me phones most apps are native and j2me support is just for running additional apps that arent built in

[rigid snow]

qwerty phones were always niche anyways

[olive sable]

i found this cool graph of keyboard layouts

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, yes, interesting line

[rigid snow]

countries with cyrillic script use a cyrillic layout?

[opaque wharf]

Also, wtf is the coloring with that map

[olive sable]

it seems a bit weird yes

im choosing not to comment on the usage of green for the west and yellow/red for the east

[opaque wharf]

At least not where I lived

[sour harness]

so many colors to choose from, so you chose green and lower saturation green

[opaque wharf]

The best way to choose color is using OKLCH color space tbh

[rigid snow]

5 shades of green

[gentle bear]

Man, why ai is so stupid. Tell it to draw blue planet and you will get a kinda unique result(or i am stupid and they all are just coping the neptune), but once you ask to add continents in there you are getting either an earth or ai shit

[opaque wharf]

Ez to generate the same "fullness" of color

[olive sable]

btw im slightly red-green colourblind so i have no fucking clue if the map is even acurate

those 5 shades of green are like 3 shades

[opaque wharf]

For all the rust lovers, love from JS
https://github.com/realchonk/bsget

[desert wave]

"east asian"

[olive sable]

ye idk

i didnt make the map

[rigid snow]

took a minute for me to understand how this is js-inspired

[tender river]

this is such a weird map

[rigid snow]

yes because all js package management is is <script src="https://raw.githubusercontent.com/..."> that's 100% how we all do it nope what the hell is an npm registry i barely know 'er

[tender river]

let us take inspiration from the best

combine python, js and java package managers

[rigid snow]

also the repo author should make a rust bundler next because how am i supposed to get a library with deps and multiple modules that way

[opaque wharf]

Only deno that does it IIRC, but did bun did it too?

[opaque wharf]

Rust and bundler is brutal

[rigid snow]

rsbuild

syspack

[tender river]

• turing complete build scripts
• based on distributing prebuilt binaries rather than source code, the package manager doesnt provide native ways of downloading the source code
• packages also sometimes just contain prebuilt native libraries, if they dont work on your machine your loss really
• mandatory internet access for using the package manager
• the dependency version used by your package may change in the future if the library maintainer updates it
• global package namespaces, if you didnt get the name you wanted thats a you problem
• the packages are distributed on a number of mirrors, each package decides by itself which mirrors it wants to be published on, its up to the consumers to pick the mirrors they want
• mirrors are allowed to arbitrarily change the packages for e.g. compression or optimization purposes (no security issues here trust me)
• allow complex supported version ranges
• only one package with the same name per transitive dependency closure
  idk im tired feel free to make up more features it should have

[opaque wharf]

No I mean rust bundler for rust

[rigid snow]

i'm coming up with names for that

[opaque wharf]

I know about JS tooling that is written in rust

[opaque wharf]

You don't know rsbuild?

[rigid snow]

wait is rsbuild a thing

damn

i forgor

[opaque wharf]

[tender river]

wait i forgot to add features from js

uh

whatever

java and python are cursed enough

[rigid snow]

how would multiple mirrors and global namespaces work

then they're not truly global

they have to be truly global

[tender river]

it works in java

(if you replace . with _)

[tender river]

no thats the fun part, when there are multiple libraries with the same name you have to make sure you're fetching yours from the correct mirror

but, the package manager will only have a mirror list

[rigid snow]

oh as in you can't pull two packages with the same name

[tender river]

the same mirror cant contain two packages with the same name

i'm accepting VC funding btw

[rigid snow]

no this is more evil, to have your package installable you have to register your namespace

[opaque wharf]

Go on chay, make it happen. I'm sure it'll be a big hit since it's taking the features from the big guy right

[rigid snow]

in a centralized spot

[tender river]

this is an industry standard at this point though, rust and npm both do it

[rigid snow]

but that's only one mirror

[tender river]

yes and it brings standardization

and we wouldnt want that would we

[rigid snow]

oh sure

i'm stupid

i touch both crates.io and npm every day btw

[tender river]

chat do full time jobs actually exist i think it's a scam

surely i'd see a single interview by now

[rigid snow]

do 100% time jobs exist yet

[tender river]

its called being a professor

[olive sable]

some do, others do jack shit

[rigid snow]

hmm, my guess is that your cv is presenting you as overqualified in technical skills but you have 0 actual workplace experience (going off what i remember you saying)

[tender river]

mhm true

[rigid snow]

best tip i ever heard btw, don't put everything on the cv

it makes you harder to consider for more entry-level jobs

[tender river]

thats pretty funny

[rigid snow]

because in the recruiter's eyes once you have experience you'll get a way bigger offer and run away immediately

[sick owl]

"Tiny anime girl cyberprison"

[opaque wharf]

It's strategy

[tender river]

employment is just mind games fr

[opaque wharf]

It is

And its sucks

And a PITA if you don't feel like where you belong

But if you do feel like where you belong, then life is good. Just a routine to follow

[olive sable]

how much does this cost?

not even for an anime girl, you could put a lot of cool shit in this if its a holographic display

cuz like, most holograms use the old pyramid method

[sick owl]

Like 400 quid lmao

Its a complete scam

Pretty sure its a flat screen as well

[olive sable]

huh

damn

i thought it was a hologram

[sick owl]

I mean you can get a pre-owned gatebox for like 1k if you actually want a cylindrical hologram

Oh btw, most peeps on here would probs get a kick out of this

https://www.anthropic.com/research/agentic-misalignment

I know it looks like a regular old dry Anthropic post but its a very fun read

[opaque wharf]

Hologram tech is still quite a way off. But you could build a stacked OLED screen to get a low res volumetric display tho

[olive sable]

the problem i have with gatebox is the lack of actal depth. but besides that its fine i guess

[opaque wharf]

Off the shelves OLED module display is like 128×64, stack 10 of those and you get 128×64×10

Its monochrome too

[olive sable]

most "volumetric dispalys" use those spinnign circles

but i dont like those cuz of the obvious lines

flickers too

[opaque wharf]

https://youtu.be/sVv1oc14X1w?feature=shared

You can take a look at the comment for improvement ideas. Like using optical interface glue to make the screen seamless, and do something for the alignment

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

BitLuni also does cool/cursed hardware stuff

[olive sable]

the size is not very impresive tho

in that aspect the turning ones have a big edge

[jovial remnant]

Wdym dry, anthropic blog posts are interesting

[opaque wharf]

Here is the kicker tho, OLED are self-illuminating. If you could find a secondhand OLED and get the screen + driver working (DIYPerks found an OLED driver), you could scale it up

[olive sable]

i found this spinning one online, supposedly 8milion voxels and "7400fps" which is probably marketing math

[opaque wharf]

Like, use bunch of raspberry pi synced with networking

[olive sable]

its a lot more expensive but i feel like its still cheaper than stackign 100 oled panels

[opaque wharf]

It is, but if you want a solid volumetric display, that is your best bet now

[olive sable]

true

if im rich im buying 10 of those just cuz they're cool

or i coudl just buy 1, reverse engineer it, and then save myself a lot of money

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that could work too. Tho I don't know if they sell specialty bearings to make a display spin fast while capable of transferring display data

[trim valve]

how is my network this cooked

so close to like complaining to uni it but also like I'm only here for another 5 days I doubt they care

[opaque wharf]

How is it slower than straight up 4G

[trim valve]

I don't know 😭

my current guess is someone else on the network is saturating gigabit and taking it from the rest of the building

[tender river]

why is this considered bad

[olive sable]

i would guess they use slip ring or somethingsimilair

[trim valve]

just yesterday it was gigabit

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, it could be. And easiest too. But would've made one hell of a noise at high speed

[olive sable]

10Mbps is usable. i used to have 2 for a couple years

[opaque wharf]

I am afraid when I moved that I've been too spoiled by my 100Mbps

[tender river]

i had to recrimp my cable a couple times to get it to consistent 1Gbps but it's for LAN use only

[olive sable]

i like how we currently have 100mbps, so when i start my pc and epic games store decides it want to automatically update stuff, our entire house's internet gets saturated

[trim valve]

oh god my download-loaded latency updated

raaah

convinced there is some rat on my network who has somehow been maxing out a gigabit connection all day

because

something here doesn't seem right to me

[opaque wharf]

This is normal stuff on uni lol. We used to plug our device to the wall ethernet port and bypass the uni wireless kneecaps

[trim valve]

ok but like

what are you doing 😭

[opaque wharf]

Granted we do it after work hours tho

[opaque wharf]

Random stuff like downloading games, streaming movies, and whatnot

[trim valve]

ok that's fair

but if this has been going on all day (pretty sure its been going on since at least 9am and its now midnight) then they'd already have transfered like 10TB of data 😭

which feels excessive for anything

[opaque wharf]

Now that's bonkers

[rigid snow]

they're downloading all neuro vods

[trim valve]

even then that shouldn't take too long icl

[opaque wharf]

Or collecting linux ISOs along with the older version

Luckily our uni is one of the internet backbones of our country so even if we saturate the 1Gbe wall ethernet, I'm sure there's still plenty of bandwidth

[trim valve]

like assume 1 stream for 5 hours every day for 3 years, at 7 mbit/s that's only like 17TB

yeah my uni has plenty of bandwidth

my issue is just that I think this building is probably no faster than gigabit overall

or at the very least someone in the chain of switches & routers between me and something >gbe is saturating it

[opaque wharf]

This is the most likely thing given that uni can be a wild west

[trim valve]

smh how dare a traceroute not immediately identify my problem

[tender river]

someone built a botnet to create a hpc cluster and now all the bandwidth is used up by synchronization

[trim valve]

if only

[trim valve]

so if it is a neuro stan I should have internet in the morning

[gritty dust]

whats that cost?

[olive sable]

6K

[amber fractal]

I'm also afraid I've been spoiled by gigabit

[desert wave]

less than a dollar per frame per second, what a bargain

[olive sable]

im not sure about that fps tho

[amber fractal]

fps/rps (real)

[opaque wharf]

Maybe they mean RPS

[olive sable]

i guess they do have to flicker the individual led's that much cuz it rotates, but the entire image only does less than 100 probably

[olive sable]

nah the rps is 900

[amber fractal]

jarvis, what is 7200 / 900

[trim valve]

if I had to guess they've conflated led refresh rate and fps

[opaque wharf]

8

[opaque wharf]

Yeah this, maybe they mean the refresh rate

[olive sable]

so 8 refreshes per rotation?

that doesnt make sense unless its interpolated rendering

[opaque wharf]

No, it doesn't convey anything meaningful really in this context

[amber fractal]

Under technically true but not useful

[opaque wharf]

Yes this

Because you will look at it from arbitrary angle with certain FOV, the true "FPS" is how many times those FOV slices can get updated in a second

FOV not POV

[olive sable]

the probelm is that fps doesnt even work in this case since the amount of voxels is not the same as the amount of led's

[opaque wharf]

Uhh, that doesn't have anything to do with each other sam

[olive sable]

it does?

[opaque wharf]

A frame time in volumetric display just means a time for one volumetric view is shown

[amber fractal]

Let's do some actual math

[olive sable]

the fps is in terms of the 2d plane, but the result is a 3d volume so the fps is unable to show the true time needed

unless we know the resolution of each the fps is useless

[opaque wharf]

The fps is just a reciprocal (1 over something, 1/x)

And x is time measured in second

[rigid snow]

FPS (Frames per Second) is frames/time in seconds??

[olive sable]

the problem is the frame part

we dont have a frame

[opaque wharf]

We do. It's just that the "frame" is dependent on FOV

That's why I say to get true "FPS" in quotes

Because it changes

[rigid snow]

i agree that the slice density doesn't contribute to the fps, or at least shouldn't

[opaque wharf]

Well, refresh rate really.

[olive sable]

its a spinning led screen so the amount of refreshes of the entire screen is completely dependant on how many times in that fps it is in a new location

[rigid snow]

i still consider refresh rate=fps in this context

[opaque wharf]

Fair point

[rigid snow]

i'd assume a refresh to be a frame refresh

[opaque wharf]

Yes, that's why I said it changes depending on how wide the FOV is

Wider FOV means the screen has to travel more angular distance

[olive sable]

i dont get what you mean with FOV, cuz like you still see every single pixel all the time

[opaque wharf]

Hence would result is lesser perceived FPS

[trim valve]

idk 7000hz sounds right to me

[opaque wharf]

You don't

The things is spinning

[rigid snow]

not however many slices there are per rotation
notice that there isn't a single mention of frames, seconds or refreshes in this part of the sentence

[opaque wharf]

There will be a time where it is not facing you

[trim valve]

https://www.novastar.tech/novastar-innovation/what-is-the-refresh-rate-of-led-screen/

[olive sable]

its seethrough so you will see it always

[trim valve]

keep in mind refresh rate kinda refers to two different things

[rigid snow]

i suppose yeah

doesn't justify measuring it in fps though

[opaque wharf]

Alright let me reframe it then. There will be a time where the intended "frame" is not meant for that viewing angle

[rigid snow]

or do they possibly mean that thing spins at 7k rpm so the fps is capped at 7k , if so that's not at all terrifying

or anything

[trim valve]

7k FPS sounds unrealistic from a timing point of view

[rigid snow]

oh i'm stupid it should be 7200/60

because rpM

[olive sable]

the whole point is to recreate the 3D object accuretly, so every single frame is meant for that viewing angle. otherwise if you exclude the frames that are not parallel to the viewer you have no depth

[amber fractal]

Let's just assume 180 degress and move on

[opaque wharf]

Yes, but the thing is spinning. Unless the thing doesn't spin that means it must show a different "frame" at each angle. Otherwise it will be the same face that you see at every angle

[rigid snow]

but that doesn't make sense then, max fps is 7200 so that'd mean 7200 revolutions per SECOND

[amber fractal]

But to be fair, your both forgetting the possibility of transparent OLED which honestly is likely

[opaque wharf]

Imma move to desktop to illustrate this one dimension lower

[amber fractal]

That'd be 900 rpm

[trim valve]

it almost certainly is not changing image 7200 times per second

[amber fractal]

according to sam's numbers, 7200hz 900rpm

[olive sable]

https://www.voxon.co/product-page/voxon-vx2

[rigid snow]

no i mean if we think of 7200fps metric as the "cap"

[olive sable]

7400 fps, 900rpm

[amber fractal]

7400* blindge

[rigid snow]

so 8 fps in actuality

[trim valve]

Volumetric Refresh: 30 vols / sec

[olive sable]

typo

[rigid snow]

whatever

[opaque wharf]

But "FPS" in that sense is just for that single point

[amber fractal]

I'm claiming myself to be blind

[opaque wharf]

Hence why I said it doesn't convey anything meaningful

[rigid snow]

i'm claiming it does not matter

[amber fractal]

Let me joke

[opaque wharf]

Oh my god GIMP cannot make rainbow circle

[rigid snow]

"photoshop replacement" btw

[amber fractal]

No GIMP user has ever claimed such

[rigid snow]

[opaque wharf]

Let's imagine that our blue dot is where the LED is currently located

[olive sable]

yes

[rigid snow]

as if people can't have a specific workflow that can work in gimp just as well as it does in PS and know nothing better & they can't happen to be linux cultists that can't shut their mouth about how free software is the best thing ever

[opaque wharf]

Shit I need to make it actually 2 colored circle

[amber fractal]

k, I'm being too hard headed for my own good. I'm going to peace out

I'm not about to start arguing today

[opaque wharf]

K ths works

[stray dragon]

there are 246.67 LED "frames" per rotation

[rigid snow]

imma head out as well

[opaque wharf]

Now, the LED has to change color to match the circle color at that position

[olive sable]

7400fps, 900rpm = 15rps, 7400 f/15r = 493.33 f/r?

[opaque wharf]

So when the LED are in this position, it needs to be yellow

[olive sable]

yes

[stray dragon]

ah you're right, i saw "30 vol/s" earlier and thought "oh it's 30 rps"

[olive sable]

ah np

[stray dragon]

i see now, the LEDs are on both sides

[olive sable]

ohhh

true

[opaque wharf]

FOV

[stray dragon]

it only needs to do a half rotation to cover the whole circle

[opaque wharf]

Bigger FOV = bigger angle to cover

= less FPS

[olive sable]

but it has to cover every angle

[opaque wharf]

Yes, but the perceived FPS is what matters when looking at it

The 7200/900 thing is only "8 FPS" for a single point on the circle

[olive sable]

im assuming with "perceived fps" you mean whaty i was referign to as the 3D refreshrate?

[opaque wharf]

Yeah but it can be murky too

[stark needle]

[sage crag]

mimimimi

[opaque wharf]

For all intents and purpose yeah, it's the same

[olive sable]

nut ye it seems like our math was of anyways. i said 900rps when i meant rpm. and you only need half a rotation for a full image

[opaque wharf]

With the assumption of 180 degree FOV

[stray dragon]

no

there's two sides to the leds

[opaque wharf]

Half a rotation is 180 degree

[opaque wharf]

Oh

[stray dragon]

it's doing 2 leds on the circle at once

yeah

[olive sable]

so 986.66 frames per rotation

[stray dragon]

don't think so still

[olive sable]

still feels too much

[stray dragon]

yeah i think it's the other way

[opaque wharf]

2 LED just means like this in image

[stray dragon]

the number i gave earlier

[opaque wharf]

Assume the separation between the LED is 180 degree

[stray dragon]

what

[olive sable]

ye i have no clue what he's doing with fov

[stray dragon]

why aren't they on opposite sides

same

fov doesn't matter here

[opaque wharf]

Just assume, GIMP is hard

[stray dragon]

it's just 246 led pulses spaced evenly along the circle

[olive sable]

the point is to have every voxel drawn all the time so yu have depth. you dont only draw the ones closest to you

[stray dragon]

^

[olive sable]

otherwise it wouldnt work for models with empty holes

[stray dragon]

i suppose you could argue that you'd be able to see through the leds?

then the FOV thing would be relevant

[olive sable]

ye

[stray dragon]

don't think it's a concern here though

[opaque wharf]

But the problem is you CAN'T draw every voxel at all times no? That's why its spinning

[stray dragon]

it draws 246 of them in each circle, one after another, which takes 1/30th of a second to finish

[olive sable]

i feel like we're on diffrent pages here

[stray dragon]

that takes half a rotation

[sage crag]

all on discord

[stray dragon]

you were correct about the 493.33 f/r number

[opaque wharf]

How is the LED placed?

[stray dragon]

but since there's effectively 2 volumes per rotation, it's only 246 frames per circle

[olive sable]

if you have a pixel on either side you shoudl be able to draw double in each rotation do 2x493.33

[stray dragon]

it's a panel that rotates

[opaque wharf]

Alright, so 2-sided panel which is transparent. What did you see when the panel is aligned with you viewing angle?

[stray dragon]

oh i don't mean that the LEDs are different on both sides of the panel, i mean that it can do 2 leds (shown in blue) on either side

[olive sable]

oh liek that

[stray dragon]

yeah

the display is probably see-through

[olive sable]

the middle og the object i guess

[opaque wharf]

Will you see anything when the panel is like this?

[stray dragon]

a single led can be seen from either side

[stray dragon]

the panel is transparent enough that you'd be able to see the leds just fine

they're not pointed away from the screen

[olive sable]

youd see the full 2d palne in a line yes

[opaque wharf]

Yes, but did you see the voxel drawn?

[stray dragon]

time to screenshot the video

[opaque wharf]

Oh alright, I got what you mean now

[stray dragon]

AH i see what you mean

there is a slight dimming in the middle

[olive sable]

huuh

truwe

[stray dragon]

interesting

[olive sable]

wati so what does that have to do with the fps

?

i feel like this doesnt change anything

[stray dragon]

literally nothing

[opaque wharf]

You know what, I'm just gonna back to sleep

[stray dragon]

fair

sleep well

[olive sable]

gn

[opaque wharf]

I moved to desktop just for open GIMP for this

[stray dragon]

lmao

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

which still means half a rotation for the image. so instead of 2*(7400/15) its 7400/(15/2), which still gives the same no?

[stray dragon]

no, 7400/(15*2)

[olive sable]

the 15 is the amount of rotations per second

[stray dragon]

there are 15*2 half-rotations per second

yep

[olive sable]

if you double it you made it slower

[stray dragon]

silly, increasing the denominator decreases the division product

[olive sable]

wait

am i cooked?

[stray dragon]

7400/(15*2) = 246.67

per rotation it is twice that though

it's just doing the 493.33 frames/rotation over 2 circles

[olive sable]

no im not cooked.
15 roationa per second, you only need half a rotation so you only need half the 15

[stray dragon]

you're cooked sam

[olive sable]

saying that the fps lowers if you add more pixels is liek saying that if you had a bilion pixels it owuld draw only once a month

its the oposite

[stray dragon]

what

[olive sable]

more pixels means more frames drawn

[olive sable]

you're saying that if you double the amount of pixles, you half the amoutn you get to draw

which i dont get

[stray dragon]

if there's 493.33 frames per rotation, but each circle (volume) only takes half a revolution to fill out, then the amount of frames per circle (volume) is only half that of the frames per revolution, because the time per circle is half that of the time per rotation

there is half the time for the frames

so there are less frames in that time period

[stray dragon]

you are doing twice the pixels per second, so they fill out the circle faster

[olive sable]

gimme a min i need to think

[stray dragon]

rotation speed hasn't changed, so you can't fit in more pixels here

you will have the same number of pixels per circle no matter if it's 1 led at a time or 2 or 4 or 100

[olive sable]

we both agree that thew original 493.33 frames is done in half a rotation now yes?

[stray dragon]

no

[olive sable]

why not???

[stray dragon]

15 rps, 7400 fps

7400/15 = 493.33

[olive sable]

yes, that is with one pixel.

but since we have 2, that 493.33 only does half a circle

[stray dragon]

yeah, so the 493.33 is per rotation

[olive sable]

wait

[stray dragon]

since you only need to do half a rotation to fill out the circle with 2 leds going, you can do 2 circles per rotation

[olive sable]

yes

so 2 x 493.33

[stray dragon]

sam...

[olive sable]

what?

[opaque wharf]

I have figured it out. This panel indeed need only to move 180° to fill all the voxel

[stray dragon]

it's the other way around

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-booing-me-im-right-gif-10368876

[stray dragon]

493.33/2

[opaque wharf]

So

That means

The FPS is how many times those panel perform 180° rotation

[stray dragon]

exactly.

thank you.

[olive sable]

yes

[stray dragon]

you get 2 of those per rotation

so it's 15*2, or 30 volumes per second

[olive sable]

so since they do 2 180degree rotations in a full rotation

[stray dragon]

7400/30 = 246.67

[olive sable]

you also get twice as many images

[stray dragon]

you do, yes, and only having 1 led at a time would mean that it does 1 circle per 1 rotation, so you'd have 15 volumes per second

[opaque wharf]

How fast is that thing rotate? 7400/sec?

[olive sable]

7400rpm

wait

no

900rpm

7400hz

fuck

[stray dragon]

OH i see my problem, i was saying the circle has 246 led activations along it

it's double that

[opaque wharf]

Okay, 900rpm means 1800 of 180° rotation per second

[stray dragon]

doesn't change the frames per volume though

[opaque wharf]

There you go

[stray dragon]

silly

rpm is per minute

not per second

[opaque wharf]

Yeah my bad

I'm trying to sleep here

[olive sable]

15rps

[stray dragon]

but yeah 30 half-rotations per second

[opaque wharf]

And this fucking shit is bothering me so much more than it deserved

[stray dragon]

lmao

unit conversions can be hell sometimes

rpm does that to me too

why is it per minute

[opaque wharf]

Then that's it. 30fps

[stray dragon]

yeah

[opaque wharf]

I can sleep now

[unkempt citrus]

Its neither 493.33 times 2, or divide 2, its just 493.33 because the frames are shared in each roation

[olive sable]

the frames are shared, so you can draw it twice as fast

[stray dragon]

493.33 per rotation, half that per half-rotation

[olive sable]

so you only spend half as much time per frame

[stray dragon]

per volume

[olive sable]

yes per volume

[stray dragon]

so you draw 493.33 leds per circle of a volume

[unkempt citrus]

Are you doing images drawn per percieved full rotation?

[olive sable]

a full circle has 493.33 activartiosn yes

[olive sable]

yes

the goal is the real refreshrate, and we arent doing double work

[stray dragon]

and if you do 2 leds per frame, then you fill that circle out in 246.67 frames

[olive sable]

wait i might be cooked

[stray dragon]

you are that's what i've been saying

[olive sable]

scratcht that im def cooked

[unkempt citrus]

493.33/2 is correct then

[stray dragon]

LOL

[gritty dust]

WHY

(caps lock

mb

[olive sable]

how was i getting my number form before?

[stray dragon]

he did /2 instead of *2

[olive sable]

it made sense to me at the time

wait a minute

[stray dragon]

you did 7400/(15/2)

[olive sable]

hmmm

[stray dragon]

instead of 7400/(15*2)

for the frames per volume

[olive sable]

i was dividing the rotations per second in 2.
because i thought that half a rotation meant half a rotationper second

lemme graph this out

[stray dragon]

you have 30 halves in 15

not 7.5

[olive sable]

rps = r / s

OOOOHHH

i get my mistake

[stray dragon]

mistakes on all sides

we worked it out in the end though

[olive sable]

i was thinking that since you have half a rotation, you do rps = 0.5r / s
but it doesnt work like that, you actually jsut use half the amount of time for a single rotation cuz you cut the time spent on the rotation in half.
so rps = r / 0.5s

damn those exams have really deepfried my brain

[stray dragon]

yeah that messed me up pretty often a while back, had similar mistakes

it is not intuitive

[olive sable]

it sucks

the whoile problem is the frames per rotation being wrongly interpreted by me

i was still thinkin of rotation as a full roation around the edge

but the "rotation" in the frame/rotation is actually half a rotation

[stray dragon]

nah i mean rotations of the panel in the middle

so a circle of leds would only need the panel to be rotated 180 deg

[olive sable]

so ye the amount of frames per full rotation stays the same, you just make the rotation you do smaller so you use less of them

[stray dragon]

yep

[olive sable]

how long did this take?

about 1 and a half hour

[stray dragon]

54 minutes since the first gimp image.

i thought it was 15 minutes dude

wtf

[olive sable]

i was deep in the math, lost track of time

half the people here got scared off because of the argument lmao

both mlntcandy, iggly and bred dipped

[stray dragon]

genuinely thought it was 10-15 minutes before checking

how was it that long

[olive sable]

lost in the sauce

[stray dragon]

truly

[olive sable]

i do have that happen a lot where time passes faster whn im thinking a lot. like during exams

[stray dragon]

time flies when you're arguing with strangers on the internet

[olive sable]

i feel the need to clarify that i argua a lot but its never with bad intent to other people or to amke them feel bad

its jsut cuz i do like arguing

oh btw

[stray dragon]

yes

[olive sable]

that 30rps is probably where they got their number for "30vols / sec"

[stray dragon]

it's 15 rps, 30 vol/s

[olive sable]

yes that

the 30 half-rot/s = 30 vol/s

[stray dragon]

here's where they got it

[olive sable]

yep

they probably got that from their 900rpm value

its jsut that im cave brain

[stray dragon]

i got the led activations per circle wrong too

[olive sable]

it fine

[stray dragon]

ok i will go sign up for my courses now

[olive sable]

the most important thing is that we proved me wrong

bye

[stray dragon]

signing up on the day the classes start btw

sillytime

[olive sable]

[stray dragon]

it's just a summer course i'll be fiiiiiine

[tiny mango]

Super non-specific but wanted a quick shout for upcomnig plans. I've been wanting a desktop upgrade from a pos build from like 2018, laptop has been my main productivity tool. I want to get into more 3D modeling and printing with larger files that my shitbox can't handle anymore

Build a new windows machine or buy a Mac mini?

[stark needle]

teto pear

[stray dragon]

windows machine

[tiny mango]

I prefer mac development and would dislike having a macbook and a windows pc bc ecosystem is nice

still worth it?

[olive sable]

ehhh idk

[tiny mango]

I'm looking for power over ecosystem though

[stark needle]

Tbf tho the mac mini is extremely high value in terms of what u get apart from the ram

[olive sable]

does the m2/3/4 have good gpu?

[stray dragon]

i believe you can install mac on normal amd/intel cpus? i might be very wrong there

you will absolutely get power with the windows build

[tiny mango]

I think that's very bootstrappy

[stray dragon]

true and fair

[tiny mango]

checking

[stray dragon]

what's your budget

[stray dragon]

not really, i checked a while back

[tiny mango]

2k, this is something I've been setting aside cash for for a while

[olive sable]

3D modeling is somethin you need a decent gpu for, so as long as it beats a 3050 it shoudl be good enough

[stray dragon]

got it, you can make PLENTY with that

let me set up a quick build

[tiny mango]

:0 actually thank you so much

[stray dragon]

will work with US prices unless you're in romania or something

[tiny mango]

Yeah no, based in MA

[stark needle]

Depending on if she uses cycles then she's half cooked vram wise

Tho optix is based

[olive sable]

true

[tiny mango]

Not even sure if slicing and whatever or if renders would be heavier

I'm not going to be doing like. movie CGI stuff, but also not anything I'd want my pc to choke on

shitbox currently stops working with wallpaper engine so it's time

[olive sable]

in general, if you're going to be doin a lot of 3D modleing, with a high amount of detail -> windows with good gpu
just need something general purpose -> a mac is fine

[stark needle]

If u get a 4060/5060 ti 16gb ur good for most use cases

Ye mac is based for other content creation like the final cut mostly

[olive sable]

[tiny mango]

Not really worried about cc stuff so not a loss

[stark needle]

Tho a mac studio with m2 max could still be in ur budget

[tiny mango]

Can I juice up a mac or is apple annoying about adding more to it?

[tiny mango]

I also don't mind tossing more at it, just prob would mean I get it a bit down the line instead of now

[stark needle]

Apple is the most annoying

Windows u can keep upgrading

[tiny mango]

Yeahhhhh I figured, that kinda blows

[olive sable]

apple generally like asking 4x the price of an upgrade

[tiny mango]

yikes

[stark needle]

Ye long term windows cheaper

[tiny mango]

Appreciate the input, thank you for spitballing w me even w limited scope

never wanna be the "how make pc" guy

[stark needle]

2k could theoretically get u a used rtx 3090

[tiny mango]

3090's a tad overkill, no?

[stray dragon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3Bs2GJ for $1778.84

could replace the gpu with something better, especially if you go used

[olive sable]

for example, 128gb ram on a regualr pc is like $350, here they want 1.25K for some reason.

[tiny mango]

very thank you

[stark needle]

well depends on ur use case, i know someone who does blender for video game shit and nothing else would work, tho he does do high quality cycles rendering

[stray dragon]

the cpu is very good, i have it myself; the gpu has some ways to go but they are very expensive right now

[gritty dust]

WTF

[stark needle]

That's actual robbery wtf

[tiny mango]

Worth waiting a few months or is this the norm for pricing for a hot min?

[stray dragon]

i'm thinking a few years

prices have gone up at least 25% for gpus these last few months here

they'll probably go higher

[tiny mango]

eek

[stark needle]

Hardware pricing rn sucks a bit cause of ai

[tiny mango]

I've just been kicking this down the road for years now

what's one more lol

[olive sable]

new gpu pricing is not that great rn, i like going used rn but it does pose its risks

[stray dragon]

and us situation lol

[gritty dust]

yeahhhhhhhh

[stray dragon]

5070 is plenty for most 3d design i think

[gritty dust]

if you can find it lol

[stark needle]

At that point just get a 5060 ti 16gb

[stray dragon]

that works too

[tiny mango]

3D design is uppet limit, not norm

[stray dragon]

damn that was hard

[tiny mango]

upper**

[olive sable]

a used 3090 here is like 600-700.
a 3080 is easily 400-500
so used is not too bad in price, you jsut dont have a guarantee of how much they've been abused

[stray dragon]

used 3090 here is actually more

around $900

[stark needle]

3080 not that future proof for content creation

[olive sable]

true

[gritty dust]

no place here has any unless I want to pay like 200$ shipping

[stray dragon]

5070 is better than 3080 i believe? for gaming performance at least (assuming no generated frames or that shit)

let me check

[olive sable]

yes

it is better

[stray dragon]

yeah slightly

[gritty dust]

@stray dragon that gpu you showed cost this for me lol

on new egg

haha

[stray dragon]

😨

[olive sable]

its like 600 here

idk

anyways

[stray dragon]

@tiny mango i think it's worth right now, waiting another 2 years for it to maybe go down doesn't sound that appealing

[tiny mango]

thanks again!!

[stray dragon]

np

[tiny mango]

agree, just mildly anxious about pulling the trigger y'know/

[stray dragon]

gpu prices decrease very slowly compared to stuff like cpus

it's maybe -10% per year on average?

[olive sable]

only decent options for pricing is 2ndhand

[stark needle]

I mean

[stray dragon]

2 years won't save you much

[stark needle]

You can always wait longer

[tiny mango]

Gotchya, good insight

[stray dragon]

yeah but is it really worth that $200

[stark needle]

You can theoretically wait infinely

[tiny mango]

I spend more on coffee, probably

[olive sable]

i do think the point is to get a pc

[stark needle]

Yea

[olive sable]

had a typo and got automodded but idk why

[stray dragon]

the rest of the pc will hold up fine i believe

the gpu is the only iffy thing there

[stark needle]

There's guaranteed gonna be a better bang for your buck in the future at any given time point

[stray dragon]

it can be replaced by itself while keeping everything else the same

[tiny mango]

Yeah idm replacements down the line, especially if I find I need more of whatever

[stark needle]

I wonder when 4090 will drop to 500-600 bucks

[olive sable]

i would guess in 5 years or so

here at least

[stray dragon]

96gb of ram should be plenty, and the cpu should be plenty, plus i threw in an extra 4tb hard drive for archival storage, and those should all be upgradeable as well

[opaque sigil]

last year

[stark needle]

64 is enough imo, 96 a bit overkill

[tiny mango]

I think I can settle for this being my first big girl purchase with post-grad work

[opaque wharf]

With windows?

[stray dragon]

meh for some work 96gb is fine

[opaque wharf]

I can't sleep man

[olive sable]

if its not too much extra 96 is okay

[stray dragon]

plus it is better value per gb, so it's not that much extra

[tiny mango]

Rn the 2k comes out of savings that could go towards doomsday prep in like the 2 years left in my degree

[stray dragon]

yep

[stray dragon]

i'd say investing in productivity is worth it

[stark needle]

Spend all 2k into an elaborate crypto scheme and make 100 trillion dollars

[tiny mango]

None of my coursework needs more than my macbook air rn

[stray dragon]

you can also use the desktop from a laptop with remote access

[tiny mango]

THIS makes me drool

[stray dragon]

right??

wouldn't take much setup either

[stark needle]

Remote access is based

[stray dragon]

although APPARENTLY it does not work when the monitor is turned off.

learned that over vacation

[olive sable]

as long as the wifi is good its godly

[stray dragon]

on college the wifi does tend to be good

[stark needle]

At least with chrome remote desktop

It works

[tiny mango]

lol

[stray dragon]

was using moonlight/sunshine

[stark needle]

no idea about those specifically

i just use crd cause it's 1 click install and available from everywhere basically

[stray dragon]

there's plenty of remote access solutions anyways

[olive sable]

just checked, its still for sale
who want a 500euro 3090?

[stray dragon]

i'm sure it's fine

[stark needle]

Wtf

[stray dragon]

wtf

[stark needle]

I would if i had the money

[stray dragon]

want

[tiny mango]

i like my gpus not knowing the taste of crypto

[stray dragon]

but not in europe...

[olive sable]

fair

but i doubt it has seen much crypto

[tiny mango]

tainted is tainted

[olive sable]

the guy is selling an asus proart B650-creator too

so it was a personal rig

[stray dragon]

brother you are making me drool stop it

i can't get that gpu

😢

[olive sable]

aslo his account is 17 years old so he's in his 40's

idk if middle aged people did much crypto

[opaque wharf]

How do you know?

[olive sable]

the website im using has that info

[opaque wharf]

I mean he's in his 40?

[tiny mango]

i think this is exactly what they want you to think

[opaque wharf]

It shows that info?

[stray dragon]

lmao

[olive sable]

yes

[tiny mango]

Oh his name is Mike

yeah he's never done any mining

[opaque sigil]

either that or he did it horribly

[olive sable]

its pick-up only anyways so he'll likely show it works in his home

thats how we ussualy do this

[tiny mango]

Do they give you tea and cookies, too?

[olive sable]

not really, but they do chat for a bit

most of the time

[tiny mango]

How nice! Here we have concealed carry and stand your ground laws

[olive sable]

we have bicycles and fries

[opaque wharf]

The web is Dutch and the Desc. if French. I know that much

[stark needle]

Yeah a lot of middle aged do crypto

[opaque sigil]

french fries

[opaque wharf]

16.5 year active and ?

[olive sable]

i just have it set in dutch cuz i can read dutch and the site is bilingual.
the guy is in the french part of belgium tho

[stark needle]

French belgian fries

[tiny mango]

is the french part of belgium like the french part of canada

[olive sable]

you mean 16½ jaar actief op 2dehands
that just 16.5 years active on "name site"

[tiny mango]

i suppose they both speak french there. hmm.

[olive sable]

yes

[opaque wharf]

Oh secondhand

[tiny mango]

do you think you are better for it

[stark needle]

French i still need to study for next year

[olive sable]

the dutch part is 100% the better part yes

[opaque wharf]

Then how do you come up with in his 40s

[tiny mango]

🙂‍↕️

[stray dragon]

i have never seen this emoji in my life

[olive sable]

cuz he wouldnt have been selling on the site as a child

[tiny mango]

you're welcome!

[stray dragon]

since when was there a nodding emoji

[tiny mango]

check this out

🙂‍↔️

[stray dragon]

no way

[opaque wharf]

Well, he could still make an account with no activity right?

[olive sable]

gimme 500 bucks + shipping and you have a deal lol

[olive sable]

i guess, but he's at least 30 then cuz i dont see a person younger than 14 making an account

[stray dragon]

would be 500 bucks + shipping + tariffs, i'm in the us

[olive sable]

ah

[tiny mango]

But what if they release a godlike mac mini in the next 2

[olive sable]

[stray dragon]

at that point about the same price as any on ebay

[stray dragon]

they will rip you off for the upgrade options as they always have

[tiny mango]

sigh.

[olive sable]

i doubt the gpu will be comparable to the 5070

[stray dragon]

they show a barely usable computer as the unupgraded option to tempt you to consider it with a low price

[tiny mango]

i'm just shuddering at the thought of opening powershell for absolutely anything

[stray dragon]

"from $600" doesn't sound so bad until you find out it only has 256gb of storage and the 1tb option costs an extra $600

[olive sable]

opening powershell? you mean like for programming cuz besides that you dont use powershell that much

[stray dragon]

ah there is one case where you'll want to do that, but generally windows doesn't need it unless you want to do something technical

i will dm you the case because it will save you like $200

[tiny mango]

also choco install YUCK

[olive sable]

dm: direct mail

[tiny mango]

not dingus mingus?

[olive sable]

jsut send your old pc

sure

[opaque sigil]

choco in 2025 ew

[olive sable]

dingus mingus works

[nocturne olive]

Whuhh???? 3090 for 500€??????

[tiny mango]

there are alternatives ?

[olive sable]

yes

[olive sable]

you want it?

[tiny mango]

i'm just a girl

[nocturne olive]

I have a major lack of 3090 at the moment

[opaque sigil]

winget and scoop (though scoop needs sfsu to not be painfully slow like choco)

[olive sable]

do you have a minor surplus of 500+shipping?

[nocturne olive]

I don't know if it's a common model though, or if the cooler is triple-slot

[tiny mango]

okie dokes gonna dip

thank you guys for the help and the discussion!!

[olive sable]

"MSI GeForce RTX 3090 GAMING X TRIO"

probably triple slot

[nocturne olive]

Like all the money I have on hand + in the spendings account is probably close to 500€, though I don't know the exact full amount

[opaque wharf]

Sell you current GPU

[nocturne olive]

I need it

I need the 3090 for training offload

[olive sable]

translated from french

Hello,

Following an upgrade, I'm selling this graphics card.

Purchased in September 2021, runs perfectly, comes with its box.

/! It has a small flaw: an LED on the sidebar is flashing white.

[nocturne olive]

So my main GPU gets to do other useful stuff

Hmmm

It appears to be sufficiently thin

500€ I basically have already, I would just have to get some money to the bank in order to have all that in there

[opaque wharf]

It looks like you got yourself a deal sam

[stark needle]

Sam will buy and scalp it

[nocturne olive]

I assume the shipping is not outrageously expensive if it's some EU country you're from

[opaque wharf]

He's Belgium

[nocturne olive]

I wonder what shipping a 3090 from there to Finland would cost

[olive sable]

i do have to get train tickets tho cuz its more than 100km away, besides that it should be fine

maybe like 10 bucks

[nocturne olive]

A 3090 would be huge for NeuroSynth training

[opaque wharf]

Is it Belgium or Belgian?

[nocturne olive]

I pretty much definitely want that one
Just a matter of moving all the money to the bank, which can take some time

[olive sable]

belgium is the country, belgian is the origin

a person from belgium is a belgian

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, this. English is hard

[nocturne olive]

Do you think you could get that 3090 for me and then I'll buy it off you once I get the money into the bank? I can pay some of it beforehand but I have like 300€ in cash and 230€ in the bank so that's basically the most I can pay ahead of time

[olive sable]

i am mostly broke rn but it is my birthday in a month so i could ask for money from that

besides that i have liek 20 cash and 60 in my bank

[nocturne olive]

That is a bit more broke than me

[olive sable]

yep

[nocturne olive]

How quickly may those kinds of things get sold I wonder

[stray dragon]

i have the money but i'm not in the right country lmao

[stray dragon]

i doubt it'd last a month

[opaque wharf]

"a bit"

[olive sable]

im not too sure, but im going on vacation this sunday so i cant do anything after that unless i make someone else go after it

[opaque wharf]

Lend the dude a hand

[olive sable]

i could get like 100-200 early birthday money maybe

[stray dragon]

wouldn't converting usd to euro and then euro to usd come with extra costs

[olive sable]

yes

and a decent sum too

[opaque wharf]

Yeah

[stray dragon]

yeah you'd need to pay extra for that as well

[olive sable]

lemme jsut message thes eller to see if its still available

[stray dragon]

i'm sure there's someone else in here that can lend euros

[opaque wharf]

Depends on the payment processor and exchange rate at the time

1 eur is 1.16 usd. So yeah, usd still stronk

[stray dragon]

a used 3090 here is like $800

[nocturne olive]

I need to do some sorts of calculations

[olive sable]

it seems like he wasnt lying about bying this gpu in 2021. his hsitory shows that he sold a gpu in 2021

[stray dragon]

:(

[opaque wharf]

Sold? Or buy?

[olive sable]

sold

his selling hsitory

[opaque wharf]

Oh, yeah he upgrade

[stray dragon]

helped someone build a computer today and found a used 3090 in their area for like $660 and i was like "bruh"

in fucking eastern europe

looked legit too

[olive sable]

idk if its actually ok for me to post these random peoples names so i blocke dit this time

says "videokaarten" which is gpu

also sold his old xbox i guess

[olive sable]

my 3090 was 675.

classic europe

[stray dragon]

i am very jealous

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Technically it is public info if the site shows it anyway

[olive sable]

so ideally id go after the gpu friday or saterday.
i gave my graduation ceremony thursday evening

[stray dragon]

it may be there in a week

3 or 4 days is likely i think

[olive sable]

that is if he answers, which concerns me since it seem slike its been for sale for a week already

[opaque wharf]

A week isn't that long

[olive sable]

ye but im on vaction sunday

[opaque wharf]

Not everyday someone buys a 3090

[opaque wharf]

Oh right

[olive sable]

a 3090 posted 2 days ago already has bidding up to 625

so i doubt nobody tried to message him already

[gritty dust]

[olive sable]

the only reason i see why is cuz the 500 dude lives in the middle of nowhere

but most likely im not the only one contacting him

[opaque wharf]

Pray that you're the only one serious enough to take a train there

Or rather, box should

[nocturne olive]

Ok, I counted how much I have not counting my savings account, which is around 490€ total in the bank + in cash, with the savings account there's an extra 250€ though that's kinda the last place I'd want to pull from

[stray dragon]

so you both have enough to get it

[olive sable]

keep the saving, you can pay me back shipping later

[nocturne olive]

Ok, then it's just a matter of getting it all in the bank I guess

[opaque wharf]

He still needs to deposit some cash

[stray dragon]

i see

[opaque wharf]

But yea, if shipping is not too egregious both of them combined should have enough

[olive sable]

i forgot the guy was french lmao

[nocturne olive]

Oh, you got a response?

[olive sable]

yes

[nocturne olive]

Is it good?

[olive sable]

i think so ye

[stray dragon]

it says "oui toujours disponible" which translates to "yes always available"

[nocturne olive]

This is looking quite promising so far
Tomorrow I gotta do some stuff to hopefully get some of this money into the bank

[opaque wharf]

Maele will be proud

[olive sable]

Maele?

the city?

[stark needle]

I find it so annoying how i can understand what's written but the words aren't 1:1

[opaque wharf]

Oh, I thought van is like son of?

[olive sable]

no

van is "from"

[opaque wharf]

Is it von then?

[olive sable]

i think so

[stark needle]

sam from maele❓

[opaque wharf]

Damn you German and Dutch

[stark needle]

Sam lore

[olive sable]

kinda yes.
the probelm is that none of my family actually lives in male

oh ye the city name lost that e

our last names kept it

[opaque wharf]

Arabic name will have more history

As they are composed of I think 4-5 part? Each tells a different thing about said person

[stark needle]

Democratic republic of congo

[olive sable]

we dont talk about the congo

[stark needle]

Sam was african all along

[olive sable]

no, male is actually close to brugges.

but belgium has a history with the congo so....

thats probably why its named maele too

its basicly here

[stray dragon]

winning

(but am i really)

[olive sable]

what did you register?

[stray dragon]

"Introduction to Mechanical Engineering: Programming and Hardware Interface"

basically "this course teaches you arduinos"

it costs $3000 or so :)

[olive sable]

[stray dragon]

a bit more i think, it's a summer course

[opaque wharf]

Mechatronics

Welcome to the rice field

[stray dragon]

nah they have those kinds of courses locked far out

[opaque wharf]

Dang, from the name it sounds like at least an intro to it

[stray dragon]

"intro to robotics" is doable but it's next fall at earliest

wanted to do programming concepts this fall but it's all full so i do it next sem

and it's a prereq for intro to robotics

[opaque wharf]

Ahh, that make sense. Yeah, having a basic in mechanics, electronics, and programming is a necessity in robotics/mechatronics

[stray dragon]

better to self-learn tbh

i do have an interest and i do have plans

and a fair amount of programming experience (300-400 hours)

[opaque wharf]

It's interesting because the mechanics taught at my place also involve material science and stuff

[stray dragon]

yep

that's how most of the early courses go

material science and some electrical engineering are included in my degree

[opaque wharf]

Industrial automation?

[stray dragon]

mechanical engineering

[opaque wharf]

Oh, dang. I thought it was straight up mechatronics degree or adjacent to it lol

[stray dragon]

i took it because it covers other disciplines a bit, it seemed like an all-rounder with a focus on moving parts and it was a popular degree here

[stray dragon]

nope lol

[opaque wharf]

Its because we have mechatronics degree here. And Germany has the graduate level at Aachen IIRC

[stray dragon]

idk if mechatronics is a 4-year degree here

let me check

[opaque wharf]

It is here at least

[stray dragon]

nope, not an undergraduate degree

[opaque wharf]

Dang

[stray dragon]

there is a "robotics and autonomous systems" minor

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, we remove all minor ed here IIRC

So after HS you can only choose work or higher ed

[stray dragon]

such interesting courses in there but they're all an extra $18000 or so in total

simply not worth

it's also a comp sci minor, so i can't even get it lmao

[stark needle]

💀how much

[knotty current]

i swear someone in here probably perdicted my fate today, i had to reinstall my firmware

[stray dragon]

american tuition is something else

a 5 course semester here at my college is like $15000

it's a good college but it's definitely not ivy league

[opaque sigil]

certainly a US moment

[opaque wharf]

What?! You pay extra to get more course?

Even after rolling in?

Our tuition per semester here range from free, 30 USD at the lowest and capped at 460 USD max

Per semester

It's all you can eat, so you can freely choose how many courses you want to attend

But capped at 24 class IIRC

[opaque wharf]

Per semester

[opaque wharf]

But this is also because it's basically impossible to do more than 24 class per semester

[stray dragon]

yep

max of 18 credit hours a semester here

about $1000 per credit hour

[opaque wharf]

Asian stereotype is not far from the truth huh

[stray dragon]

is 1 credit hour about 3 hours of coursework per week over there too?

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[stray dragon]

that's like a 996 schedule if you do 24 a semester lol

[opaque wharf]

That's why I said it's impossible to get more

[stray dragon]

yeah

brutal

still though that's like a full tuition for the cost of a single one of my courses lmao

[opaque wharf]

Yep. That's why I said its wild man

[opaque sigil]

i'm in my 11th semester and i've probably spent less than what a single class costs you

[stray dragon]

am i really winning...

[olive sable]

you should decide that yourslef

but it defenitly is a loss in the financial department

[stark needle]

Here uni is like 800 bucks

Per semester

• books

And excursions

[stray dragon]

books aren't included here either

for some reason

[stark needle]

????

What

[stray dragon]

i'm paying $3000 and they can't afford to get me the $70 textbook for free

[opaque wharf]

Books aren't really needed here thankfully

[stray dragon]

i just download mine when possible

[opaque wharf]

Every lecturer just straight up send everyone the pdf lol

[stray dragon]

but sometimes they use the sites with the assignments that are tied to buying the textbook online

[opaque wharf]

Wtf

[stray dragon]

so you cannot complete assignments for class if you don't pay the textbook provider $70-100

[opaque sigil]

[stray dragon]

they are scum of the earth i despise them so much for it

you know that maybe 2% of that money is going to the people that made the textbook as well

[tender river]

aaron swartz

[opaque wharf]

All of this JS framework and yet still no unified open science publishing platform that is agreed upon by everyone smh

[tender river]

there is one, it's called s...

[stray dragon]

i thought it was called l...

[opaque wharf]

Speaking of, they added crypto for registering to request new paper no?

[tender river]

no comment, i fear the mods' wrath

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, fair

I just wish there was a more accessible way. Or even better, something that is not centralized too

Federated, thats the word

Not P2P but not centralized

Since each higher ed institution could just provide the service and be federated with each other

Like how many of them already mirror linux iso

Or even linux repo

[opaque sigil]

You see there's one problem

We can't have nice things

[gritty dust]

gn I'ma sleep

[opaque wharf]

I've been trying to sleep. And failing. And I'm dragging you with me

[cobalt sigil]

anyone knows a website builder that support custom domain and that function is free to use?

have been digging for hrs and none of them seems to support it

[tiny mango]

try 35k/sem

[tiny mango]

free, custom domain, no design restrictions

pick two, usually

[stray dragon]

my condolences.