programming

[fast pagoda]

restarting react native tools seems to have annihilated the host well enough

the nsa is on to you

[opaque wharf]

Oddly enough, the new screenshot doesn't detect it

[stark needle]

Hi that is me

🐟

[rigid snow]

ew american

[fast pagoda]

i can't make the shad reference i was going to

it's over

[opaque wharf]

But in <script>? I doubt thats the cause

[stark needle]

FAKE AMERICAN

[fast pagoda]

i wouldn't have thought either but i cant think of anything else

[rigid snow]

who

[stark needle]

ME

[rigid snow]

what

[fast pagoda]

im an amerifat

[stark needle]

Im sorry guys

[fast pagoda]

[stark needle]

I was not American:((((((((

[olive sable]

was

[opaque wharf]

Try to create a new blank file and see if it cause the same error

[fast pagoda]

assimilated

restarting everything 3000 times caused it to stop moaning

it formats now

i have no idea what it was on about

[olive sable]

"restarting everything 3000 times caused it to stop moaning"

[fast pagoda]

sensual novella or #programming conversation

impossible to tell usually

[olive sable]

ussualy its both

[rigid snow]

i caught this on vscode startup

it's the same error

[fast pagoda]

i think it must just be something where the formatter is just not ready yet

so it reports a fail to vscod

[opaque wharf]

But that's prettier

[fast pagoda]

and it just shits out that error

[opaque wharf]

The LSP must've been high

[fast pagoda]

like prettier is "loaded" but not ready 2 format so it returns an error instead

[rigid snow]

but prettier absolutely, 1000% does support formatting html files

[fast pagoda]

prettier has got to be the flakiest formatter

i swear it's shitting itself more often than not

[opaque wharf]

biome-js

And get rid of eslint too while we're at it

[fast pagoda]

i managed to get eslint 9 working last time i was about to give up and install biome

painfully

[stark needle]

I was C₅H₅N₅, C₅H₅N₅O, C₄H₅N₃O, C₅H₆N₂O₂ all along im sorry guys :(((

[fast pagoda]

removed 114 packages,```

LOL

[olive sable]

adenine, guanine, cytosine and thymine

sure

so shadow is ball of white goo

[opaque wharf]

CHN, China

[olive sable]

or well, mostly seethrough

[stark needle]

Im balls

[fast pagoda]

removed 117 packages```
jesus man

[olive sable]

youre what?

[fast pagoda]

no wonder i suddenly had like 500 packages when i got eslint working

[stark needle]

🫧🧼🪩

[fast pagoda]

that's an insane amount of dependencies

[stark needle]

atoms are ball shaped

[fast pagoda]

added 9 packages``` meanwhile

[olive sable]

wrong

[opaque wharf]

Isn't the latest tsc support linting already?

[olive sable]

atoms are basicly shapeless

[fast pagoda]

probably, i just installed everything eslint was screeching at me about trying to get it working basically

[stark needle]

Nerd

[olive sable]

its something liek this i guess

possible psoitions, so shapeless

[stark needle]

I was lied to

[olive sable]

did you not see planck?

[stark needle]

We had nothing of this in school

Lmfao

[opaque wharf]

WHAT?

[olive sable]

this is only what an atom looks likw if we see it as a particle, but Einstein, Max Planck, and Louis Victor Pierre Raymond Duc de broglie said that a particle can also jsut be pure energy

[stark needle]

Swiss school

We literally never covered this

Not even the part of "electrons rotate around an atom"

[olive sable]

wut?

[opaque wharf]

I though atomic theory are basic ed around the world

[olive sable]

i saw that like 4 years ago

[stark needle]

I never saw it

Lmfao

Fyi

In 5th grade of primary school we covered the geography of our local town

[olive sable]

bruh

[fast pagoda]

damn that's grim

even in murica burgerland i was into atoms around intermediate/middle school

[stark needle]

6th grade zurich geography and Switzerland

[olive sable]

basicly, looks somewhat liek this

[opaque wharf]

Alright, this is pretty useful ngl

[stark needle]

We have not covered world geography yet

[fast pagoda]

5th grade we did michigan geography so that's not too far removed though

listened to gordon lightfoot - wreck of the edmund fitzgerald

great song

banger

[olive sable]

in 5th grade we covered europe

[opaque wharf]

We don't cover local geography here. Just national and international

[stark needle]

I mean literally first grade math was strictly about tracing numbers

[olive sable]

tracing numbers?

brh

[opaque wharf]

What age is 1st grade?

[olive sable]

like 6

[sage crag]

probability distributions have shapes, so atoms have shapes

[stark needle]

Like literally write the number like a gazillion times on a paper sheet

[sage crag]

[stark needle]

From 0-9

[olive sable]

well yes and no, the probability distrobution is not the same as the shape

[stark needle]

Ye 6-7

[sage crag]

depends on the most convenient model for the problem you are solving

[olive sable]

the probelm in this case is shadows lack of education

[opaque wharf]

Hmm, I think 1st grader here are expected to be literate already

[olive sable]

here we need to do basic readign and writing, along with basic math upto 100

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I mean reading and basic math are taught, but like, knowing how to write and read letter are expected when entering 1st grade

[stark needle]

@olive sable

English Level we had this year

[sage crag]

bwaaadowlilac

[fast pagoda]

lol

why do you need to be psychic

to answer those

[sage crag]

zoomer attention

[fast pagoda]

im pretty sure we at least had like 1-20~ish down by kindergarten

although some of the kids were uh
behind

immediately

[opaque wharf]

Why use many words when less words enough?

[olive sable]

our english this year was like "the jury, the defendsant, the prosicution, ..."

liek they were making us ready to defend ourselves for murder

[stark needle]

LMAO

What

[olive sable]

your honor i did not kill that man

i did not have s relationships with that woman

[stark needle]

One of the last pages

[opaque wharf]

The punishment is being turned into a bread

[stark needle]

What if a meteor strikes and nukes the kid from the window smh

[olive sable]

omg the picture with an 8 y/o popping pills 💀

[stark needle]

Bro is an addict💀😭

[fast pagoda]

they're literally me

[stark needle]

Wait

I think i have math from the last time i had it

[opaque wharf]

It is a valid hazard tho. I used to do that as a kid because I found pill interesting somehow lol

[rigid snow]

it's candy

[fast pagoda]

"i used to do that"

[olive sable]

bro who are all these deranged people in #programming eatign pills?

[rigid snow]

that's how programmers are created didn't you know

[fast pagoda]

it's kinda an important part of the process

[olive sable]

i just had severe autism

[rigid snow]

you took the short path

or i guess you didn't

[olive sable]

ah yes

[fast pagoda]

[olive sable]

either you are born with autism or you pop enough pills to create a new autism

[opaque wharf]

Right, I forgot this is #programming lol

[olive sable]

lmao

[opaque wharf]

For real, this channels can have a wild tangent sometimes

[olive sable]

thats just the way it is
dududu, dududu du

[stark needle]

fr

"autistic in their own way"😭

technically everyone is since it's different

[olive sable]

you see that meme

wait

lemme get it

[fast pagoda]

real

[olive sable]

i didnt have a choise, i got both

[stark needle]

OMG ME

😭😭😭😭😭

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

always into these stupidly overpriced hobbies

[olive sable]

we know

[rigid snow]

at least it's not car ricing

[fast pagoda]

stance lyfe

[olive sable]

ngl i would like to put a v12 in my mom's sedan

[stark needle]

I should've collected rocks or something

[opaque wharf]

Wtf sam

[fast pagoda]

im gonna put a carolina squat on my truk

[stark needle]

oh wait nvm I literally did as a kid😭

[opaque wharf]

You wanna make an airplane or something

[olive sable]

no

[fast pagoda]

who needs to see when the pedestrians are conveniently folded under the undercarriage

[rigid snow]

i don't think that one is indicative of autism

since so many do

[rigid snow]

hell yea

[stark needle]

When i was like 8-9 i was really into rocks so i collected them all and needed to have all of them so my parents kept buying me random gemstones and i was so happy, i remember i once got a bunch of stones from the vesuvius and russia and i was so friggin happy

[fast pagoda]

actually im in houston so i'm legally required if i were to overly mod a car to go with a slab

honestly can we rule this out as a sign of autism

[stark needle]

Also I had a very suspiciously large collection of pure sulfur for whatever reason

[fast pagoda]

perfect defense against being accused of passing gas

[stark needle]

Also i had a piece of obsidian

I found that so cool

[opaque wharf]

I have that too. But for... other purpose

[olive sable]

this is the plan

[stark needle]

Wait lemme check if i still have my rocks

[rigid snow]

"mb it's just me burning my sulfur chunk" *sets rock on fire*

[fast pagoda]

do one of the dual motor rigs

[rigid snow]

this is... not a sedan?

[fast pagoda]

it is in romania

[olive sable]

i know

i realised sedan means something diffrent than what i thought it did

[fast pagoda]

what did you think it meant lmaooo

[olive sable]

we dont use thsoe terms in dutch

[fast pagoda]

what is it like

[stark needle]

Omg check out what i found

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

i liek to drive muh drie deursauto

[olive sable]

brother wut?

you liek to drive your "three door car?"

[rigid snow]

damn russian is as far from english as languages go and we outright borrow words like "sedan", "hatchback", etc. but "crossover" for SUV for some reason?

[fast pagoda]

i dunno you made me curious so i googled "dutch translation of sedan/coupe" and that was the goofiest sounding option that came up lol

[patent walrus]

hmmmmmm

[inner pike]

the kid with the knife is menacing

[fast pagoda]

google is lyin

Sedan: Sedan. It's the same word, just pronounced a bit differently. You might also hear Berline, but sedan is common.
Coupe: Coupé. Again, the same word. The accent is often used in writing.
SUV: SUV. The English acronym is used directly. Informally, you might hear the slang term asobak, which is a bit derogatory, literally translating to "asocial container/vehicle." You could also see terreinwagen for a more off-road focused vehicle.
Hatchback: Hatchback is used and understood. You might also see it referred to as a vijfdeursauto (five-door car) or drie-deursauto (three-door car) depending on the configuration.
Convertible: Cabriolet, or simply cabrio. This is the most common and widely understood term.
Station Wagon / Estate: Stationwagen or stationwagon. The term estate is also sometimes used, but stationwagen is more typical.```

ai mode strikes again

[olive sable]

it might jsut be local dialect then

[fast pagoda]

im partial to vijfdeursauto as well

rolls right off the tongue

[olive sable]

five door car?

where you putting the 5th door?

[fast pagoda]

the 5th door is the hatch

[opaque wharf]

The trunk

[olive sable]

thas not a door

[fast pagoda]

hatchbacks are called 5 doors in english occasionally as well

[sour harness]

It opens to the car's interior instead of a closed trunk, hence 5th door

[fast pagoda]

it distinguishes it from a sedan

where not a trunk

like sui said

[rigid snow]

this makes me wonder, are the trunk doors on range rovers counted as two

[fast pagoda]

barn doors? nah

[rigid snow]

they're horizontal

[stark needle]

I could not locate my sulfur collection but does anyone happen to have 47.5kg of Uranium-235 and 317kg of tungsten carbide i need it for a silly experiment

[fast pagoda]

i'd say it's same as barn doors

still a single "opening" so it's 1

[stark needle]

Wtf i found a covid test

[fast pagoda]

there might be some freely available if you're willing to travel

[rigid snow]

no i wanna buy a range rover and boast to people that i have a "six door"

[fast pagoda]

lol

at least get a suburban XL with barn doors i feel like those count more as 2 doors than horizontal ones

[stark needle]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-happy-gif-21756597

[rigid snow]

anyways guys programming, automotive grade linux?

[fast pagoda]

murica

cars are technically a form of tech

[rigid snow]

true

[fast pagoda]

i miss being able to yoink my stereo out in 30 mins tho

with how integrated cars are now

[rigid snow]

i'm sure thieves miss that too

[opaque wharf]

No

[stark needle]

#programming became #cars

[fast pagoda]

the oracle has declared it

[opaque wharf]

The infotainment may run linux, but the ECU can't

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-tts-emperor-warhammer-disgraceful-gif-16263370

[olive sable]

idk hwp to explain cars.
tbh idk what a sedan is called here.
instead of "van" we say "busje", not the same as a bus cuz "je" is a diminutive
a "semi-truck" is just a "truck" here, we also say "vrachtwagen" and locally "camion" is mostly used
the rest is similair to the previous examples

[stark needle]

airplane safety critical devices run on friggin interpreted python

[opaque wharf]

But it doesn't control timing of piston firing no?

[olive sable]

thats not computer based so no

[stark needle]

i unno

[fast pagoda]

my car went off the road because haltd daemon threw a panik

[rigid snow]

btw "automotive grade linux" is a real distro and yes, that's for infotainment

[fast pagoda]

i have android auto powered car, the infotainment is just android

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I do know about automotive grade linux and rt patches and cnc linux

[fast pagoda]

my last 2 cars have been

[olive sable]

the timing of the pistons is done with the timing belt and gears

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I mean it controls the fuel injection

[olive sable]

it can

on newer cars i guess

[rigid snow]

airplanes?

[olive sable]

airplanes dont have psitons

[rigid snow]

??

[olive sable]

airtplanes have this

[rigid snow]

that's a jet engine

[olive sable]

yes

[stray dragon]

propeller planes:

[rigid snow]

there are airplanes that do not operate on jet engines

[opaque wharf]

It's not "can", but is. Most fuel injection system I know control the timing by ECU

[fast pagoda]

turbine car enters the chat

[rigid snow]

it's probably most of them that don't have jet engines actually

[fast pagoda]

run on some rubbing alcohol

[olive sable]

they exist, but thats not being used anymore commercialy. the only ones left are stunt planes im pretty sure

[rigid snow]

that's an insane statement

[olive sable]

and im willing to die on that hill

[opaque wharf]

And modders are tweaking their engine timing to get some more oomph (usually it is limited for environmental regulation)

[fast pagoda]

countries outside of the 1st world use prop planes commercially still

remember that flight that went down over nepal, that was a prop engined airliner

[olive sable]

besides some military planes and ones designed to land on water, most planes use jet engines

[stray dragon]

they're often used as training aircraft i believe

[rigid snow]

there absolutely are still commercial prop planes in the US

[stray dragon]

and plenty of other small applications where a jet is excessive

[rigid snow]

maybe not 150 passenger capacity

[fast pagoda]

many personal planes are prop as well

[stray dragon]

^

[fast pagoda]

no reason to have a jet for a smol cessna

[opaque wharf]

Personal plane

Words that I can only dream of lol

[rigid snow]

they're not that expensive

[fast pagoda]

most taxing part is getting the flight license

nolo in this disc is a pilot

[rigid snow]

!!! and they depreciate in value very slowly

[fast pagoda]

the main US airlines are no longer using prop planes i'm pretty sure (because they dont operate the smaller routes that still use them - regional carriers)

[opaque wharf]

8000 USD is like a year worth of wage for a programmer here

[stray dragon]

better than buying a house

[fast pagoda]

i would be deceased in weeks

[stray dragon]

also what.

[rigid snow]

i wouldn't even consider an ultralight an airplane

[olive sable]

no its not?

i earn more by sitting on my ass and doing nothing

[rigid snow]

#airplanes now

[stark needle]

Im actually excited I'm sick cause i wont have to go to work tomorrow

[opaque wharf]

Sadly it is Sam lol

[olive sable]

8K is not a livable wage

[opaque wharf]

But it is here

[fast pagoda]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Canada_Dash_8 these things are still in production

[opaque wharf]

That's why purchasing power parity discount is a thing

[fast pagoda]

1200 of them since the 80s

[opaque wharf]

And market are segmented by geographic region

[olive sable]

omg i get it, propeller planes exist. i wrote a paper on propellors.

so i knew already

[fast pagoda]

hey im not the one who said they'll die on the "prop planes dont exist" hill lmaooo

[stark needle]

sam when "propellers" are mentioned

[rigid snow]

you stated "not being used anymore commercially"

[olive sable]

i never said that, i said most commericals are jet engines now

[stone cedar]

turboprop
that has no pistons though ...

[opaque wharf]

Sam right now

[stone cedar]

It's basically a jet engine with a prop sticking out

[olive sable]

yes

exactly

[fast pagoda]

there's a prop on there therefore it counts as a plan with a prop

[olive sable]

but it also counts as a jet engin

so yes, jet engiens are mostly used

[rigid snow]

will we get into the fact that a commercial plane can easily be a 6 seater

[stone cedar]

Or that commercial doesn't even imply passengers

[rigid snow]

if you offer flight services for money that's commercial by definition

by FAA definition too

[opaque wharf]

Sam is being cooked again LFG

[olive sable]

they're being overly semantic

[fast pagoda]

turbprops generate most of their thrust from the prop part, the overwhelming majority of the exhaust from the turbine is there to spin the prop

exhaust

energy

[rigid snow]

meaning you're in a world of trouble if you fly someone for money while not having a commercial pilots certification

faa rules generally extend to most countries

[olive sable]

when did this topic become abou me needing a certification for the thing im arguing baout?

[opaque wharf]

"overly semantic"

[rigid snow]

it hasn't i'm just saying things

[fast pagoda]

im like mint i just start vomiting info if a point comes out that makes me go "hmmm is that true though"

[olive sable]

i feel like what i said isnt that controversial

[fast pagoda]

i found the world's oldest nasa kids page to illuminate https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/aturbp.html my curiosity

[rigid snow]

i agree that turboprops don't count btw

[opaque wharf]

We just love cooking people

[rigid snow]

because we were talking about planes having pistons

[olive sable]

most commericial planes use jetengines
more than 50% of commercial planes use jetengines

[opaque wharf]

Props

[olive sable]

turboprops dont have pistons so it doesnt matter anyways

[amber fractal]

I had 50gb of swap for the boi to use, I don't think that's the issue

[rigid snow]

this message spawned this convo

oops sorry for ping

[olive sable]

if you tsake it out of context it doesnt look good

"airplanes" was meant as in the general airplane. what most airplanes have

which is not a piston

[fast pagoda]

what about tic-tac ufos

[stark needle]

We were allowed to throw down a bolt into a turboprop engine at school once and it made a silly sound

[fast pagoda]

let's see their propulsion

[amber fractal]

I read positions and was thinking about "The missile knows where it is because it knows where it isn't"

[olive sable]

not an airpalne, doesnt count

or well. the can be

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/bru-gif-22732864

[opaque wharf]

It flew in the air and can be steered. Its airplane alright

[rigid snow]

homing missiles count too then

[amber fractal]

I raise you hot air ballon

[olive sable]

ufo's are by definition an unidentified flying object. if you dont know what it is it can be an airplane, but it might as well be a flying sandal im throwing at your face

[stone cedar]

I re-raise you a kite

[opaque wharf]

Diogenes moment lol

[olive sable]

do you honestly believe a kite is an airplane?

there is no hope for these people

[rigid snow]

if i weighed 10 grams it would be an airplane

[fast pagoda]

are gliders a type of plane

[opaque wharf]

No, a plane is a flat mathematical object

[stone cedar]

Just pointing out the thread's stated definition includes kites.

[opaque wharf]

Well, maybe not flat necessarily

[amber fractal]

herightyouknow

[olive sable]

somehow i feel like im more sane than the rest of chat, which ussualy isnt the case

[rigid snow]

it just morphed into a joke at some point

which is the good ending

nobody left defeated

[opaque wharf]

From code of federal regulation quoted from wikipedia

is a fixed-wing aircraft that is propelled forward by thrust from a jet engine, propeller, or rocket engine.

[fast pagoda]

it's more fun to keep bringing up more and more ridiculous examples of things that could vaguely fit the subject

[amber fractal]

seconded, it is very fun

[rigid snow]

does me blowing air out of my mouth count

[opaque wharf]

A fixed-wing aircraft is a heavier-than-air aircraf

[fast pagoda]

get in my lighter than air aircraft

can't land

[opaque wharf]

An aircraft (pl. aircraft) is a vehicle that is able to fly by gaining support from the air.

So, hot air balloon is an aircraft

[olive sable]

this conversation felt like this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBQwhvwsymU

[amber fractal]

Yeeeeeeeeep

[rigid snow]

not airplane before anyone misreads

[fast pagoda]

@opaque wharf learning about airplanes

[opaque wharf]

Hey, coming up with a definition takes skill alright. And evidently I'm not skilled enough to do it lol

[opaque wharf]

This is like a question about average limbs a human have

[olive sable]

its like about 4.4 imo

[opaque wharf]

Did you not count the amputee?

[fast pagoda]

gemini deep research completed for my curiosity

highly reliable info

[olive sable]

i did, otherwise it would be 4.5

[amber fractal]

ChatGPT

[fast pagoda]

it's gemini it's over .02% better maybe

[rigid snow]

seems about right tho

[fast pagoda]

it does confirm my biases

[rigid snow]

also you always can try to ask it to cite

[fast pagoda]

oh it's cited

[stone cedar]

It is messed up that "fixed-wing" here includes "Tiltwing" and "Variable-sweep wing" ...

[fast pagoda]

it's deep research but i didnt want to blast all that in here

[olive sable]

i made a miatake, appendages and limbs are not the same thing

people have on avarega i reckon about 4.4 appendages, but only 3.9 limbs

[fast pagoda]

if i expand the citations in this view it becomes HIGHLY readable

[amber fractal]

I can read now!

[rigid snow]

fixed wing refers to the wing not spinning, if we get too pedantic about the definition we'll exclude 99% of planes from that definition because flaps

[opaque wharf]

I think it means the wing didn't change its anchor position on the fuselage

[olive sable]

guys lemme get my paper out

[fast pagoda]

i only like to fly tiltrotors

[opaque wharf]

But also, what kind of abomination that would be if it exists lol

[warped narwhal]

fixed wing == not helicopter

[stone cedar]

Yeah, but it doesn't read like it. At least for me ._.

[rigid snow]

well okay then almost no planes count because flaps exist

[olive sable]

these are the 7 diffrent types of propellers, the source is me.
im the source

[fast pagoda]

hoge stuwkracht

[olive sable]

its in dutch

im belgian

deal with it

[fast pagoda]

lage complexiteit indeed

https://g.co/gemini/share/038695a14ad2 slop report is out of the oven

[olive sable]

biased data smh

[fast pagoda]

this plane looks like a stubby thumb

[olive sable]

and it has jet engines

[fast pagoda]

it's hard being an ai

[rigid snow]

sam found yet another thing to schizo over

[fast pagoda]

just mention aircraft engine types at random for the forseeable future without provocation

[olive sable]

dont you understand?
i dont find things to schizo over, i am schize

[fast pagoda]

i am the one who schizos

i am the schizo

[olive sable]

a man schizos in town and you think thsat of me? i am not the one who schizos, i am the schizo

[fast pagoda]

waltuh

what's the dutch equivalent of walter

wouter

[olive sable]

wouter wit

[fast pagoda]

idk apparently the germanic////dutch equivalent of the english name "walter"

ol wout

[rigid snow]

damn

[rigid snow]

that's a lot of slashes

[olive sable]

https://www.tiktok.com/@kroketmuur/video/7295880498218405153

[rigid snow]

[fast pagoda]

it's for the best, it's tiktok

lol the lip syncing aint it in this dub i never thought about how much worse that is with real aactors

[rigid snow]

i actually stopped using it when they regionblocked us

[gleaming harness]

https://tenor.com/view/your-fate-is-sealed-seal-shrimple-gif-14588556684467309808

[olive sable]

its basicly just an ai dub in dutch

[fast pagoda]

i never started using it because i'm based

[gleaming harness]

https://tenor.com/view/your-fate-is-sealed-seal-shrimple-gif-14588556684467309808

[fast pagoda]

what did i do to deserve such an assault

[opaque wharf]

What was that again about slap me daddy? Geef me en klaap papa?

[gleaming harness]

https://tenor.com/view/your-fate-is-sealed-seal-shrimple-gif-14588556684467309808

[amber fractal]

Chat, I got a question (that is def not going end badly)
I want to build up a combat demo, just for the fun of balancing stuff and maybe port it later to something I actually want to do.

[opaque wharf]

Found it

[olive sable]

it doesnt have the same ring to it in dutch but je, "geef me een klap papa"

[amber fractal]

[opaque wharf]

Oh, so it is real lol

[stark glen]

The humble turboprop:

[amber fractal]

-# we are going to get modchecked so bad with this ons

[opaque wharf]

Hey, this is linguistic alright

[amber fractal]

looks at channel

[fast pagoda]

ayy i mentioned you earlier

[olive sable]

its not too acurate of a translation since we dont hav a word specifically for hitting someone on the ass.
we arent that down bad like yall english people

"geef me een klap" is more like "hit me"

[rigid snow]

i don't know if you know already but dubs are usually translated in such a way that the dub voice mostly matches the actor's mouth

[fast pagoda]

yeah i knew about this for animation
just seems harder for irl actors because there's more actual movement of the mouth and it's them really speaking usually

[stark glen]

That’s why I showed up

[opaque wharf]

Programming has language

[fast pagoda]

but also AI dub don't give a FUKKKK

[gleaming harness]

https://tenor.com/view/your-fate-is-sealed-seal-shrimple-gif-14588556684467309808

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-kitten-zoom-persuit-gif-17646381782073725526

[fast pagoda]

but what kind of combat

[gleaming harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1340930691017211935/1340930691843624960/Neurocord_welcome_v3.gif

[opaque wharf]

Mortal Combat

[amber fractal]

Mostly handheld, maybe some bows or smth.

[opaque wharf]

See? Mortal Combat

[rigid snow]

the result depends on the quality of dub, official dubs for movies are usually great, for tv shows it ranges from okay to bad

because less money ig

[opaque wharf]

I do wonder, do they have some technology to help with dubbing?

Syncing lips with foreign language to a specific word is a hard task

[fast pagoda]

but like, irl or

[wary rover]

use std::fmt::Display senpai doesn't notice impl std::Display-chan

[rigid snow]

i'm not aware of such thing existing

[amber fractal]

Not yet

[rigid snow]

what

[fast pagoda]

https://www.flawlessai.com/truesync there are companies that claim to do it

[opaque wharf]

You don't need the std part of impl std::Display

[fast pagoda]

https://visualdub.in/ anotha one

[opaque wharf]

That's wack

[fast pagoda]

they have a demo on with mission impossible kinda cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvkCQKuS3-Q

[wary rover]

Rookie mistake on my part, thanks

[rigid snow]

yep you either fully qualify it as impl std::fmt::Display and remove the use directive or impl Display with the use

[tender river]

use std::fmt::Display makes Display available as Display, not as std::Display

[fast pagoda]

i do not like rust's double colon path separation

it makes my brain turn off

[opaque wharf]

Mint explain the other way to do it and chay explains why it is the way it is

[rigid snow]

would you rather -> then? HUH? fight me

[fast pagoda]

-# maybe

[opaque wharf]

What do you propose then? You can't use dot no?

OH NOW WE SCHIZO ON ACCESSOR HUH

[amber fractal]

buh::flip::explode.new()

[fast pagoda]

i liked .

[wary rover]

Gonna be honest here I need like 2 years of experience and qualification to comprehend chayleafs's feedback. She is clearly incredibly smart and experienced, but my brain just shuts off when I read a message

[fast pagoda]

i know that's different in rust but

chay will come in from left field and explain the underlying computer science behind whatever thing we're meming about

that's just how it do

[opaque wharf]

Come to JS where everything is equally accessed using dot or bracket

[rigid snow]

wdym her response is way better than mine

[fast pagoda]

i am a js/python overlord so yeah that's about what i like todo

asa long as i can avoid a ::<> i am good

[wary rover]

I need to be talked to as if I'm a 6yo with development issues while Im getting my bearings in programming

[opaque wharf]

Sam are typing

[fast pagoda]

https://turbo.fish/

[opaque wharf]

Lets see his hot takes

[amber fractal]

I should be fineeeeee doing mobile graphics

[amber fractal]

Oh look a distraction!

[olive sable]

#include selfdestruct
selfdestruct::buton.state(true);

[fast pagoda]

i feel like this will config you for the darkest depths of hell of whatever mobile graphics apis are rn

opengl?

[rigid snow]

basically then:
make impl std::Display say impl Display because chayleaf explained why;
and anyways impl std::Display is wrong because it's at std::fmt::Display

[fast pagoda]

didnt android JUST declare that it's all vulkan all the time going forward

[rigid snow]

imagine they removed native ui apis and forced everyone to flutter their way into apps

[fast pagoda]

kek

i have almost started a flutter project like 3-4 times over the last 2 weeks

[wary rover]

Already did, but after this issue was resolved two functions stopped functioning and try to understand why and how

[rigid snow]

don't

[fast pagoda]

almost

[opaque wharf]

Tell me this is a lie

[rigid snow]

"imagine"

[fast pagoda]

i think i'm going to use taipy for what i was considering flutter for though

[rigid snow]

flutter is cool only because it's skia with a lot of shit on top, flutter itself sucks

[fast pagoda]

it seemed pretty well rounded as far as it comes with a lot as you say

[opaque wharf]

I prefer if an app is PWA instead of a native app anyway

[rigid snow]

if you only have experience with angular pre 2018 maybe it's fine

[fast pagoda]

@olive sable great news i'm reading about mobile graphics rn from earlier and apparently webgpu is natively enabled on android as of a few months ago

so you already ported to mobile

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

But he uses webgl

[fast pagoda]

oh

it's over

[olive sable]

im using emscripten anyways so wouldnt have been an issue

[fast pagoda]

we are so back****

back

[rigid snow]

if they deprecate webgl THEN it's over

[olive sable]

they wont deprecate webgl this century

[rigid snow]

that will not happen though because webgl

[tender river]

the reasoning is simple, :: for static access and . for dynamic access. It doesn't have to be this way, but it does make stuff simpler to reason about.

[fast pagoda]

what does ios use, metal?

[opaque wharf]

Is GL really that hated?

[olive sable]

is it?

[tender river]

opengl is a mess because everyone implements it in slightly different ways

[olive sable]

ah

[fast pagoda]

yeah I mean i understand what's it's used for i just don't like the syntax personally because for some reason it's hard for me to parse (more than it should be ig)

[tender river]

well thats just a matter of getting used to it

[fast pagoda]

that is true and real

[rigid snow]

yes and macos but that's for native only and you can still do opengl on mac; basically apple's directx

[opaque wharf]

Object->some<data>(param)

[olive sable]

getting it to work is easy, having a general consensus of what should work is hard
opengl used to have a built-in hash function but they deprecated it cuz people didnt use it and just used hash maps

[rigid snow]

oh and ios too you can still do opengl i think?

[fast pagoda]

yeah i've heard it was better-ish than direct x until ~12 but other than that it's apple shit so i ignore it

[rigid snow]

but strongly discouraged

[olive sable]

opengl is past its prime

but vulakn is way too compilcated fot hobyists to use from the get-go

[fast pagoda]

:: reminds me of c++ in school

[olive sable]

so there is no real solution

[tender river]

webgpu works over vulkan and opengl so it is a solution

[rigid snow]

if microsoft can make a DirectXBox, can apple do a MetalBox

[olive sable]

true

[nocturne olive]

Godot spotted
What you doing?

[olive sable]

apple already makes metal boxes

the imac

[fast pagoda]

jony ive says "yup"

[tender river]

btw whoever here was interested in ternary logic

i found this https://homepage.cs.uiowa.edu/~dwjones/ternary/logic.shtml

[olive sable]

thats me

ooooh

[rigid snow]

what you're referring to is the Mac Pro. the iMac is more like a plane

[fast pagoda]

mac trash can

[olive sable]

brother i dont use apple prroduct

everything is named the mac

[rigid snow]

"mac" is "computer"

in apple lingo

[fast pagoda]

wow... everything is computer...

[olive sable]

mac this, mac that, mac studio pro retina ultra hd firewire M4

[rigid snow]

firewire

[fast pagoda]

firewire is such a funny thing

it was good for like 2 seconds and then dogshit

classic apple connector moment

[rigid snow]

usb 2.0 happened

[fast pagoda]

i cant believe it took them till just about now to finally give it up

and just use usb

instead of their ultra copium line of fail connectors

[rigid snow]

"just about now" brother it's been almost 10 years

[fast pagoda]

usb iphones are not that recent

in the US anyways

[amber fractal]

but the power of lightning

[fast pagoda]

err

[rigid snow]

oh lightning

[fast pagoda]

not that old*

[rigid snow]

true

[olive sable]

lighting my ass

[rigid snow]

they happened everywhere simultaneously

[fast pagoda]

it just makes it funnier IMO that usb-c has been on everything else apple for even longer but they just chose to keep wrecking their consumer base selling them lightning crap

[fast pagoda]

right it was the EU that kinda forced their hand but the transition was all at once or w/e

[amber fractal]

lightning for lightning fast licensining profits

[olive sable]

i hate apple, but samsung is kinda becoming shit too so idk what to get next

[fast pagoda]

??? becoming

[olive sable]

they had some okay A series phones

A52 was the goat

[fast pagoda]

samsung's bloatware has disqualified them from my consideration in any form since 2012

[olive sable]

most of their bloatware can be deleted

[fast pagoda]

the UI itself is a big piece of bloatware

[rigid snow]

i bought airpods pro twos, half a year later they announce they've put a usb-c connector in them and apparently they have a better IC and better dsp? classic apple scam

[fast pagoda]

stinky too

last non-pixel/nexus phone i had was a lg g2

[amber fractal]

Pixel probs

[opaque wharf]

Back to Java phone it is

[fast pagoda]

for me it's pixel

[rigid snow]

pixel post 3 is meeehhhhh

they made me switch to iphone

[fast pagoda]

i still miss my nexus 5

[amber fractal]

I'm still just using this Asus phone, it is ungodly jank but it works

[opaque wharf]

Zenphone always deliver (even if jank)

[fast pagoda]

he has rogphone i think

[amber fractal]

I'm not on the zenphone line

[fast pagoda]

for ultimate gaeming

[rigid snow]

unironically, like, actually, everything past pixel 3 was getting worse and worse and bigger and bigger

[opaque wharf]

Question, can I disable the ping reply by default?

[rigid snow]

hold shift when replying

[fast pagoda]

not without a witches curse you can't avoid having to hold shift

[amber fractal]

good to know

[opaque wharf]

No, like default just turn it off

[rigid snow]

no

[fast pagoda]

yea you can't in stock discord

[opaque wharf]

Oh god

[amber fractal]

mhm this is correct

[fast pagoda]

you probably can in like web discord via addons

[opaque wharf]

I mean, how about mobile?

[fast pagoda]

even less likely

[amber fractal]

nope

[opaque wharf]

Guess I'm fucked then

[fast pagoda]

in fact on mobile discord you're actually being charged $9.99 a month RIGHT NOW for even asking

[opaque wharf]

It's hassle to turn it off everytime

[amber fractal]

break tos or suffer

[opaque wharf]

Don't give them ideas

[opaque wharf]

It's not that I don't like to break ToS. I don't want another browser extension

[rigid snow]

i remember wap websites

[fast pagoda]

every time they release an update for mobile discord i join the testing and then submit the most scathing feedback anyone has ever received for anything

hell hath no fury like a funyun who has had his mobile app layout slightly changed for the worse

[amber fractal]

I can see that, for those that use in browser

[rigid snow]

can we talk about how tabs v2 was great

[amber fractal]

I don't know what that was

[fast pagoda]

tabs v2 was the one i submitted the most scathing feedback of all

you should've seen the paragraphs i wrote about that

i absolutely despised that

im probably the reason they scrapped it

i summoned a necromancer's curse on their bloodlines for that one

[rigid snow]

this basically

[fast pagoda]

🤮

i saw this the very first time it was offered for testing and instantly unenrolled from the test while absolutely going berserk

[rigid snow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1068843498255695912/1295705594879283280/evilharpoon.gif

it's a way better ux and if you don't recognize that

idk

bad

[opaque wharf]

UX is hard

[fast pagoda]

it worse in every way because it's different than the already established ux on the regular app for no reason

[opaque wharf]

Because user is subjective

[fast pagoda]

yes use case is different but slide menus are standard on mobile already

[rigid snow]

"no reason" except the screen you're using it on is touch and 10 times as small

[amber fractal]

PvP combat thing, Have had some ideas for a combat system for awhile so I want to put it in place

[tender river]

mlntcandy and afunyun should pvp right now

[opaque wharf]

Rare chay take

[fast pagoda]

screen is small so let's cram everything in the bottom of the screen making it annoying

[nocturne olive]

Silly
If you're gonna do multiplayer you're probably gonna need some sort of server though

[rigid snow]

"standard" are you stuck in 2015 material design 1 android 5.0 lollipop ahh apps

[amber fractal]

I can probably set one up

[fast pagoda]

i will say though idk why they dont just have both as an option

[fast pagoda]

yes
i still use the navigation drawer buttons

[amber fractal]

This is my reasoning to dislike it

[nocturne olive]

Silly
I'm still very interested to see how your voice model turns out though

[fast pagoda]

yeah if i have half my servers and stuff crammed onto the bottom of the screen my thumb is too large to hit them without repositioning while using it with one hand

[amber fractal]

It's probably going to be bad, but at least it is a learning experince

[nocturne olive]

Well, I can help make it better later if it ends up bad from your training since I have a bit more experience

[amber fractal]

I use mobile almost exclusivly, so I'd be reasonably pissed from that large of a change

[amber fractal]

I'll be counting on that

[nocturne olive]

At least I'm sure that it will be interestiing

[rigid snow]

maybe they should put the server list on top and reintroduce it

[fast pagoda]

Imagine using gesture navigation could never be me

[rigid snow]

i paid for the whole damn display

[fast pagoda]

i'd use it if it didn't just result in inaccurate back button hits when im tryna swipe and such

and actually getting to the app drawer is annoying compared to just hitting the button

[rigid snow]

maybe the differences in our opinions come from me using small phones exclusively and you having a literal smart cutting board

[amber fractal]

I am too used to gestures by now

[fast pagoda]

that probably contributes more than a little bit lol

[fast pagoda]

i just refused to swap at the start and never got used to it

all of my phones have been 5.2+ inches since the lg g2

mostly over 6 since then

[stark needle]

helo

[fast pagoda]

hallo

[amber fractal]

[sage crag]

ĥ

[opaque wharf]

This PvP is currently ongoing guys, this is fun to watch too

[rigid snow]

it's settled

[amber fractal]

New challengers are always welcome to prolong the battle

[rigid snow]

what isn't i don't know what to switch to from my iphone 13 mini

[crude carbon]

I was going to put my 2 cents in for gesture nav, but then I realized I'm too lazy

[opaque wharf]

But also, I think gesture nav is better

[wary rover]

Program works, but it does a thing that I couldn't imagine that it could do that is completely different from what I wanted it to do. I think I'm experiencing quintessential programmer experience rn

[fast pagoda]

i am in a fully recognized (by me) minority on the gesture nav thing

[opaque wharf]

It's settled that afunyun is cooked lol

[fast pagoda]

i am aware of that

[stark needle]

ĥ

[olive sable]

h

[amber fractal]

My only issue with gesture nav was swiping out of games, but my phone has a protection feature aganist that

[rigid snow]

apple got rid of the mini lineup, now there isn't anyone major left doing small phones

[fast pagoda]

i have legitimately tried to swap to it a few times just to give it a chance
I'll try anything once
but each time there's been some particular instance where i really just wanted my phone to cooperate and it didnt because of the unreliable nature of gesture (especially when you're not used to it)

[amber fractal]

double swipe to exit my beloved

[crude carbon]

I've liked gestures since day one, I'm a big fan of more screen real estate, that's all I'll say tbh

[fast pagoda]

he buttons do hide themselves when not in use i should point out

[crude carbon]

I'm not entirely sure why its so unreliable for you, I've never once had issues tbh, skill issue perhaps?

[amber fractal]

Yep, one of my previous phones did that

[rigid snow]

base iphones pro (not max) are kinda small, kinda.. right?

[crude carbon]

Ya, but only when in full screen

[amber fractal]

LG V60

[fast pagoda]

skill issue is assured just as a function of not using it as much
and even if you're used to it it's just more freeform so like if you're trying to use it one handed while balancing other crap you're holding, it's less reliable

[rigid snow]

lg

do they have webos preinstalled

[amber fractal]

Jokes aside, I have these two idiots

[fast pagoda]

i have one of these

wait i must've had a non pixel then (after the g2)

what did i have

why can i not remember

i had whatever phone that dual screen unit goes with

not the v60 but the non-v one

[crude carbon]

One of the reasons i liked it so much was because I find it better for single handed situations tbh

[fast pagoda]

you must have smol hands or something for me it's worse

[amber fractal]

G8x thinQ is the other one

[olive sable]

i had an a40, then an a52 4g that i still have.
the back plastic is actually loose so i have to keep the case on

[fast pagoda]

oh yeah it was one of the ones with the stupid ass thinQ branding

[amber fractal]

thinQ is stupid I agree

[tender river]

go for a oneplus 6 with nixos
its perfectly beginner friendly as long as you have years of advanced linux and custom rom experience

[amber fractal]

At least they have 8gb ram and 12gb ram each due to how they were meant to be used, so still usable in that regard

[fast pagoda]

it was king shit being out somewhere and having a whole 2nd monitor for twitch etc

[rare bridge]

so the backup worked by now the drive is being lazy

[fast pagoda]

are you still fighting with rclone

sheesh

[rigid snow]

wow what an upgrade that will be

[opaque wharf]

"beginner friendly"

[rare bridge]

i got rclone to behave somewhat

[tender river]

you should threaten the drive

[rare bridge]

i managed to finish a cold backup

[crude carbon]

Hmm, not really? I'm not really sure how reaching for a button on the other side of your screen would be better than swiping from the center right or swiping from the right edge, or at least, I can say 75% of all my drops were back when I was reaching across the screen to the back button, I don't think I have small hands, but reaching further regardless of hand size would still be objectively worse for a single handed situation imo

[rare bridge]

but

the drive storing the backups is being weirdge and slowly responding in certain conditions

thanks for selling me a shit drive cex

[opaque wharf]

I sure hope its not what I think it is

[tender river]

ip=172.16.42.1
localip=172.16.42.2

sudo -A nft -f ~/notes/phone.nft
while true; do
  echo waiting for ip
  while ! ip a | grep 'enp7s0f.\?u2'; do
    sleep 1
  done
  ifname="$(ip a | grep 'enp7s0f.\?u2' | sed -s "s/[^ ]* //;s/:.*//" | head -n1)"
  echo "got $ifname"
  sudo -A ip link set "$ifname" up
  sudo -A ip a add $localip/24 dev "$ifname"
  sleep 1
  echo "echo \"$pw\" | cryptsetup-askpass" | ssh root@$ip

  while ! edl memorydump --partitions=w; do
    sleep 1
  done
done

this is the script i run on my pc to make the phone boot, it takes anywhere from 30 seconds to 15 minutes

[olive sable]

we love cex

[rare bridge]

running a health chech

should have done this ages ago

[olive sable]

This is my current phone

[rare bridge]

just waiting for it to respond

[opaque wharf]

How do you take the vid?

[olive sable]

tablet

[opaque wharf]

That's a wild range

[rare bridge]

... is that it?

that's all you're gonna tell me?

jeez, thanks SMART

totally useful

[fast pagoda]

for me i will provide this infographic to show relative difficulty for hitting various screen areas

[opaque wharf]

Now do the guy with the mirror recording thingy where he slowly unveils crazier setup

[rare bridge]

it's still slowly responding through...

maybe sata cable?

[fast pagoda]

so with buttons i only have to do one(1) tap in the red area to get to app drawer

gesture half the shit is in yellow or red

[rare bridge]

WHAT

[fast pagoda]

only 3 weeks

[rare bridge]

[fast pagoda]

only 9 weeks

[rare bridge]

[fast pagoda]

only 24 weeks

[opaque wharf]

It keeps getting better and better lol

[olive sable]

cant, these are the only 2 devices i have running rn.
i do have some other tablets and phones but i cant be bothered to charge them and take videos

[rare bridge]

not ominous at all

[fast pagoda]

it faltered

[rare bridge]

(it reached over a year before resetting btw)

[fast pagoda]

o7

[rare bridge]

ok nice job me

[opaque wharf]

Booo

[rare bridge]

it's either the sata or this drive is utter dogshit

[amber fractal]

That'd be me if I were to do a video on such, I'd need more things activated to do that funny of a vid tho

[fast pagoda]

hopefully at least it wasnt running long before you have to restart

[fast pagoda]

what if you put the drive in a toaster

[rare bridge]

nah it was fine initially

just after the first cold backup succeeded

[amber fractal]

Cursing the drive is a valid stratagy

[rare bridge]

it's deciding to be intermittent

[fast pagoda]

is it doing that inside ur pc or like external interface

i have had decent luck with drive toaster

[rare bridge]

inside the machine

a restart might fix it but then i have to fix the 50 issues that occur whenever this machine restarts

[fast pagoda]

https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-External-Duplicator-Function-EC-HD2B/dp/B0759567JT/ref=sr_1_2?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.90Jypi4S3RIhD5rSWqMPoBwvbRT-w4mT_IMvp8XzqlUDReKhzXcMWsvwgZ-SNBdOLJBxVcPapOqB78EDm7xU1tBen7m_gEuNu5PvIkooA--4Vzip5tt92mCNwMYsnZDXrOxjOJpVceZKc8VjR8VvaeS-rNV8OgAghYQDcjhYe4ROB1pIT7uTpDUaut9I8eDOUfdliWiWuoFqxuREnmtmSG_qNJy0pmYWBNL7I-a5H0s.VlZeoke3HNy6IuwmsAm1iWPMR8yJsuqgFBq0XJZ7LKc&dib_tag=se&keywords=hard%2Bdrive%2Btoaster&qid=1750633305&sr=8-2&th=1

for me, it's these things

[rare bridge]

and i just cannot be arsed when i'm catching a coach to the other side of the country in 2h

[crude carbon]

? I exclusively only find my fingers near the orange/red regions BC that's where my thumb would be, unless gesture nav is different for your phone than it is on mine I can't think of a reason your right hand thumb should ever be that far on the left of the screen, though depending on where my thumb was on the screen I might use more of the right edge when navigating backwards

[opaque wharf]

Every message cloud sent just adds another layer lol

[amber fractal]

We love tracking data

[fast pagoda]

my thumb is more in the middle of the screen

[tender river]

dont bother, backups wont be needed if you dont loe data

[rare bridge]

at this point it'd be faster to reinstall the base OS and set everything back up again

[fast pagoda]

my browser deletes the tracking if i click a link like that but it doesn't do it on the way out so i can spread the slop but not get tracked by it myself

[opaque wharf]

It may be is honestly. What is your base OS?

[crude carbon]

Mine is too but usually more to the right, but why would having buttons on the right and left of the screen be better than?

[rare bridge]

that machine runs fedora server 40, but i might change it to a different distro if i do reinstall

[fast pagoda]

my thumb reaches across to the left and up much easier

[rare bridge]

but once again, about 2h before i go on holiday

can't be arsed

it's not like this machine would be in use while i'm on holiday anyway

[fast pagoda]

i think i hold my phone in some stupid way that puts my hand biased towards the front of the screen and towards the left

so the bottom right is somehow the furthest point from being usable

even though im holding it from the bottom right

[crude carbon]

I see, why not just swipe from the left edge and use the left of center then?

[fast pagoda]

that sounds cursed

[rigid snow]

this made me realize, that's because you can't rest a big phone on your pinky/in your palm

[crude carbon]

I use the right edge more, but find myself consistently using both edges depending on the situation

[fast pagoda]

i hold it like salad fingers

[crude carbon]

Hu?

[opaque wharf]

Use alma if you want something close

[tender river]

i find stable distros painful even on servers for when you want to experiment

[opaque wharf]

I know chay, NixOS

Oh, I thought you were going to recommend nix lol

[fast pagoda]

speaking of Nix i need to slap that on wsl still

i just saw the install package sitting in my downloads again

[crude carbon]

Same, frankly I'm a maniac that just uses arch on everything just because I'm used to it

[opaque wharf]

But yes, agreed. However cloud uses it as a backup right? So my guess is its not being toyed with that often

[rigid snow]

for me the graphic would look something like this

[crude carbon]

Also I have no familiarity with any of the tools they were mentioning because I'm used to doing things the manual way

[rigid snow]

small phones are superior

[rare bridge]

the machine has various responsibilities

[rare bridge]

it's actually the same machine hosting https://nwero.net/

[fast pagoda]

it looks about like that except a red blob in bottom right where my hand is too dummy thicc to get out of the way

my previous graphic was locally scaled

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but like, you don't actively install new software and run new services on it right? The database may be written to, but the software is not

[rigid snow]

i rest my phone on my pinky and i have no issue reaching anywhere except the very top
i also should add that i have pretty large hands, i can easily cover the whole phone with my palm

[fast pagoda]

tarballs can be exchanged for apps and daemons

[fast pagoda]

i hold my phone like dr. claw from inspector gadget would if he had to hold a phone iwth his claw

[rare bridge]

i use docker to add stuff, but other than that, no

[fast pagoda]

-# >docker

[rare bridge]

knew that'd annoy at least one person here

[opaque wharf]

Yep, exactly what I meant by not being used to experiment with. After everything is setup, you just forget that its running

[rigid snow]

probably the majority tbh

[opaque wharf]

He even stopped debating about phone screen real estate just to hiss at docker lol

[fast pagoda]

i was gonna give docker a bunch of grace literally yesterday and just start again, do all the stupid tutorials they have and really be not wingin' it this time because maybe my nonchalance has been the issue

and the FUCKING tutorial didn't work as described even so i instantly uninstalled it again

how do they have my literally copy pasting shit and downloading their own repos and it doesn't work

truly impressive

[crude carbon]

My recommendation is arch, or proxmox if its primarily a multi use server, though idk about how well docker works in proxmox, I recall them using some other container system idk

[opaque wharf]

Honestly, I just install bare minimum arch, slap some podman and cockpit there

Cockpit not copilot lol

[fast pagoda]

i was like wut

[rare bridge]

i've been thinking about proxmox, but then i set there like "but.. my docker compose "

[fast pagoda]

that's truly 4d chess

install arch

[crude carbon]

People give arch a lot of shit for being "unstable" but I've never had one single issue out of it

[fast pagoda]

immediately put microsoft copilot on there

[rare bridge]

can we install the cursor ai that uninstalled itself

[fast pagoda]

my last arch install spontaneously detonated my python installation seemingly at random

[crude carbon]

Ya, arch is the only other thing I have enough experience with to recommend tbh

[fast pagoda]

and i know it's a computer so it's not random

i mean i must've done something

[opaque wharf]

IIRC, proxmox also has LXC or whatever it is to handle container. Don't know if it support compose file tho

[fast pagoda]

but i swear i launched into the OS and python was just gone

and i was so confused because podman pacman was all fucked

[crude carbon]

Skill issue most likely, I've simply never had weird issues like that unless I caused them

[rare bridge]

it doesn't

[fast pagoda]

yeah i mean i agree i must've but it seemingly happened during a time i wasn't even using the install for a while

[rare bridge]

and installing docker in a vm or a container feels hacky

[crude carbon]

If you're willing to loss the composer, then proxmox is amazing tbh

[opaque wharf]

Now arch doesn't let you do pip install anything. If you need something as deps, either package it as such or use venv

[opaque wharf]

Well, yeah. Unless you serve a VPS it is unnecessary overhead

[crude carbon]

Proxmox uses qemu so it wouldn't be any less performant

[fast pagoda]

i think a pacman -Syu annihilated my python entirely somehow

the way i found out i had no python

was that i was tryin to make a venv

[rare bridge]

still
running containerization inside of containerization feels cursed

[fast pagoda]

and it was just like "idk what a venv is bruh"

[rare bridge]

just doesn't sit right with me

[opaque wharf]

Yè what I mean is it must've been sometime around they transitioned to ditching pip

[crude carbon]

if you really wanted to you could just install docker like normal using the command line, Prix MOX is just another Debian based distro at the end of the day

[fast pagoda]

oh maybe i was literally just that unlucky lmao

paradigm shift

and i was unprepared

[rare bridge]

maybe i should just bite the bullet and have a dedicated "i can't be arsed to install these properly" proxmox vm running docker

[fast pagoda]

that's every docker container

[rare bridge]

true

[opaque wharf]

It's also why its a good idea to check arch news if there is any need for manual intervention. There's a package for that I swear but I forgot the name.

[fast pagoda]

arch experience right there baybee

[crude carbon]

I have no idea how that would be possible, but in arch you have to either use a venv or use the aur/pacman to install global packages

[rigid snow]

i have a coolify instance running in a vm for exactly that

[opaque wharf]

But its quite rare for me so ymmv

[sour harness]

Cursor doing 1k lines of deep code refactoring: No problem.
Cursor not using embellishing terms like "advanced" or "comprehensive" in documentation: Impossible.

[opaque wharf]

It wasn't like that before

[crude carbon]

?

[rigid snow]

but tbf running anything non web there feels even more hacky

[fast pagoda]

yeah what happened was pacman entirely lost the ability to do anything related to python and this basically bricked the install as pacman was then worthless
im sure it could have been recovered with a lot of pain but i just nuked the install

[opaque wharf]

Just use any distro, install docker and be done honestly. If it works, it works

[rare bridge]

ig so

[crude carbon]

If it was me, that's exactly what I'd do tbh, especially if you're wanting to back stuff up, VMs are great for having a wide range of backup solutions

[rare bridge]

i'll have to consider this more later

[rigid snow]

debian cloud image for everything, if it doesn’t work on debian it doesn’t work

[crude carbon]

Its been like that for years at least

[rare bridge]

considering all this less than 1h before i leave for holiday isn't the best time

[fast pagoda]

that's crunch time

[crude carbon]

Agreed

[opaque wharf]

You definitely need to ask more about the requirement so you can plan the solution ahead

[rare bridge]

wait ya'll plan stuff?

[crude carbon]

No, I'm a maniac

[opaque wharf]

I'm the opposite lol. If it doesn't work on arch, slim chance it works on other distro

[fast pagoda]

i think this is the opposite of conventional understanding lmao

[crude carbon]

I just assume whatever someone is doing on another distro is possible on arch, because it usually is lol

[crude carbon]

Same

[opaque wharf]

And that's what I'm saying. It wasn't always like that. He could be having problems with nuked python during the transiton

[rigid snow]

i can’t be bothered with creating/deleting vms for an hour just to make some thing i need right now work

[fast pagoda]

all i know is python no worko make-o me-o nuke-o the install-o

[opaque wharf]

Yep, just realized that lol

[crude carbon]

Conventional understanding would have you believe arch nukes itself every other update, yet I have prod servers running since the dawn of time, and my laptop is the most stable device I've ever had

[fast pagoda]

i'll take anecdotes for $400, alex
answer: daily double

[opaque wharf]

Fair point

[fast pagoda]

But i mean any system can work forever if you know what you're doing
most people just don't know what they are doing (including myself to an extent when it comes to arch specifically)
but for something like arch it's just particularly arduous when you're in that phase of not being familiar for many

[rigid snow]

also it’s just more convenient to have every single vm be one distro

[fast pagoda]

because you can fairly quickly ruin the install

[opaque wharf]

But hey, someone also speedrun arch installation

[fast pagoda]

which is to be fair a skill issue on the operator end

but when the same series of derps would maybe break a package in ubuntu and it nukes teh system in arch because it allows you to do that

[crude carbon]

That's kinda the whole thing imo, I think a lot of people just forget that the arch wiki exists and get mad when they do something wrong and it breaks lol

[fast pagoda]

well that and also that it allows you to break it because it kinda assumes you know what you're doing

[crude carbon]

I follow the arch wiki like a bible, and I never run into issues

[crude carbon]

Not really, the whole point of the arch wiki is to help people that don't know, I went from knowing nothing to having perfectly stable systems in like a week of just following the wiki whenever I do stuff

[rigid snow]

also if you’re doing vms please use cloud-init

[fast pagoda]

15+ years ago pretty much any distro was in the boat of ""you will destroy your entire install if you fuck up too badly" fairly rapidly once off the beaten trail though so it's not like it's an arch only issue

[crude carbon]

That was before the arch install scripts too

[crude carbon]

Also fair I suppose

[fast pagoda]

well the information existing on a wiki and it also fully allowing you to go full steam into the abyss can coexist

you should know what you're signing up for when going into something like it though

so it's still on the user

that's just why the perception is that way to my understanding

[crude carbon]

I mean fair point, but once you know what not to do you can still do that with arch, its just that the packaging system requires a certain level of respect, but beyond that its really not that different from any other distro

[fast pagoda]

it also just doesn't have that much provided for you so you are building up more of the environment than a more "friendly" distro

so you can mess it up there where you wouldn't be used to even being able to screw it up

[crude carbon]

Fair point, though I think that's also true for any new distro

[wary rover]

Fixed all issues
Program works, but completely incorrectly
reformated everything 3 times and observed each semicolon under a microscope
1,5 hours in noticed that I used print! instead of println! once

[fast pagoda]

think of the knowledge graph you just built up tho

[opaque wharf]

It is what it is lol

[rigid snow]

time to get familiar with the rubber ducky debugging technique

[crude carbon]

Ya, see, no one would ever call arch "friendly" lol, I wouldn't call is "unstable" either though

[fast pagoda]

hello mr duck i am trying to fix bug plz halp

when the duck speaks back you know you're an arch linux user

[opaque wharf]

I think it's better to be explicit and just use print, but each string ending with \n for now

[crude carbon]

Yes

Yes indeed

[wary rover]

I encountered buffering issue that I never heard of. When one input gets eaten by the terminal and after second input it spits out both outputs. So I was completely bamboozled and didnt even know where to start. But now I know :D

[fast pagoda]

templeOS i would say is what could be called unstable (RIP)
arch is just very laissez faire when it comes to letting you derp around and destroy it

[crude carbon]

I can agree to this assessment

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[opaque wharf]

Aww man, fight some more

[olive sable]

temple os seems like something i would write

[opaque wharf]

I'm eating good here with all the chaos

[opaque wharf]

Oh, god yes. Sam writing his own OS arc LFG

[fast pagoda]

it's all in good spirits i would hope

[wary rover]

Go to doctor to get normal pills when the fellas in the window start glowing

[rigid snow]

airplane engine bracket os

[fast pagoda]

templeOS 2, written entirely in python

[olive sable]

[crude carbon]

Indeed

[olive sable]

ill do game-engine for now so we're safe for a bit

[fast pagoda]

game engine -> browser -> templeOS

[rigid snow]

you should do lua instead of python

[fast pagoda]

the pipeline

oh sorry

[opaque wharf]

That means it is not out of the table, yeees

[fast pagoda]

game engine::browser::templeOS

[opaque wharf]

Believe it or not, browser is more complex than an OS

[rigid snow]

lua… not out of the table…

[fast pagoda]

i would say that probably depends on how deep you're going into either one
you can get a microkernel going relatively simply and arguably more readily than a modern browser but can you build a windows NT more easily than a netscape navigator probably not

but browser are basically an os themselves now

self contained

[wary rover]

Is it considered vibe coding if you describe the issue that you have to AI and ask what possible typical issue it can be, specifying that you don't need code from it? Cause that what I did rn and it worked and I don't feel like I cheated that much. Like is it a hinderance to my learning experience? I feel like I just saved time ngl