programming

[olive sable]

yes

[nocturne olive]

Spectrogram of an audio file or?

[tender river]

could be clipping?

[olive sable]

apo is an eq

[nocturne olive]

EQ profile?

[olive sable]

i thought it was clipping too but it does seem to go louder

[nocturne olive]

Then I would guess it's areas that could cause clipping in the volume

[olive sable]

might just be an estimate then

[tender river]

if its an equalizer profile it may mean that it can theoretically cause clipping

[nocturne olive]

Yeah, it could cause clipping when playing audio that already maxes out the volume

[olive sable]

i geuss il do more preamp then

or less actually

more negative

dont question why im making the bass that high, this subwoofer just isnt that loud on low volumes

[nocturne olive]

Very silly

[olive sable]

adding spdif on mobo's is very based

[olive sable]

can you not set inhereted varibales in c++?

im probably just doing something wrong but wehy wont this work?

[tender river]

you have to use constructors

the default value is part of the field declaration

you're trying to create a second field declaration

or, well

just doing illegal syntax in general

[olive sable]

ok

[tender river]

anyway, use constructors

[opaque wharf]

I think his friend declaration is backward?

[tender river]

theres no friend declarations

everything is fine

[opaque wharf]

Oh yes

[tender river]

not using constructors is the only issue

[opaque wharf]

It's inheritance

[tender river]

(while you're at it learn about destructors)

[olive sable]

The answer to everything in life seems to be constructors

[tender river]

constructors are just __init__

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

gigabrain function

[wary rover]

Your function is too smart, dumb it down a little

[fast pagoda]

it's literally just the optional settings config but i gave it about 10000 possible branches because of the various things that can be changed

so that's the issue

whoopsie

it's like 10+ nested levels at points LULE

[tender river]

sounds like you need a refactor so it isnt a bunch of if conditions but a function composed of smaller functions intead

declarative and all that

[fast pagoda]

yeah that's what i'm about to do unfortunately

[ruby timber]

What language? :0

[fast pagoda]

python lul

[ruby timber]

[tender river]

not talking about moving code around obviously

[fast pagoda]

i shall create 100 smaller functions and each one will just be an if statement

lol

i am kidding

[tender river]

when you have a bunch of similar looking control flow it's a sign that you should abstract that control flow away

[fast pagoda]

i basically knew this was happening but decided to just keep going until i had all the options i wanted and then fix but it uh may have been smarter to go the other way

[tender river]

just one more option

[fast pagoda]

when ur "interactive" settings are 200 lines

[wary rover]

Oh god it took me a day to write 50 and half of them are brackets just chilling there occupying the whole line

And half of non-brackets lines are a result of "Guys, help..."

[fast pagoda]

it's been being added to for about a month now

as i added other stuff

slap another option in that bihh

pretend i do not see the complexity warning each time

[nocturne olive]

Anyone else ever encountered Steam having broken Captchas? I tried to change the password of the account I have because I don't know it and I couldn't pass the Captcha and then it said I exceeded the rate limit after a while

[fast pagoda]

the AI must not need more training rn

[wary rover]

Two dice one?

Captcha with 2 dice and you need to write the number that they dispaly

One of those took me 20 minutes

[nocturne olive]

Just your average "Choose all squares with X in them, skip if there are none"

[wary rover]

All the captchas steam shows me are dice ones for some reason

It can smell the gambler inside of me

Speaking of gambling, time to play balatro

[warped narwhal]

btw, if you ever need to call the constructor of a base class from the constructor of the derived class, you need to use the member initilaliser lists. you use a colon after the function signature, similar to how you use a colon for inheritence. You can also use it to initialise variables
e.g.

class Base
{
public:
    Base(int value) noexcept
        : m_var(value)
    {
    }
    virtual ~Base() noexcept = default;

protected:
    int m_var;
}

class Derived
    : public Base
{
public:
    Derived(int value, int other_value) noexcept
        : Base(value), m_other_var(other_value)
    {
    }
private:
    int m_other_value;
}

[opaque wharf]

What kind of devtool is that

[opaque wharf]

unfortunately?

Wtf is happening

[olive sable]

Okay

[sage crag]

probably

[tender river]

also knowing about virtual destructors is important

[warped narwhal]

yeah just remembered that

your base class's destructor must always be virtual

[olive sable]

[tender river]

assuming you override the destructor anywher

if you dont, it doesnt need to be

[warped narwhal]

not quite

you still need a virtual destructor due to the variables of the derived class

[tender river]

well, yeah, its more like assuming you dont add extra fields with destructors

[warped narwhal]

it's also just best practice, it does little harm by having it, but a lot of harm if you don't use it when you needed to

also just be aware that object slicing exists

aka don't pass a Derived to a std::vector<Base>

it will cause issues

[tender river]

yup, you must use std::vector<Base*> in that case

[warped narwhal]

or ideally std::vector<std::unique_ptr<Base>>

[opaque wharf]

And if you're confused Sam, this is what it feels like developing in lower level language. Higher level language usually do garbage collection so you don't have to worry THAT much about memory while Rust won't compile to make sure memory safety

Its all tradeoff

[warped narwhal]

let me introduce you to the fact that python can segfault

[olive sable]

Idk what that is so

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but it's quite rare I think

[tender river]

also knowing about copy constructors is important

[warped narwhal]

yup, you pretty much need to manufacture the situation, but it does exist

[tender river]

ideally move constructors too but thats a newer concept

[warped narwhal]

copy & move operators and constructors

[opaque wharf]

Just like that one time Toast tried to make comparison throw error lol

in JS

[warped narwhal]

oh god lmao

[warped narwhal]

and the rule of 3/5/0

[opaque wharf]

So yeah, all of this complexities is the result of freedom

[tender river]

no,its the result of not knowing what you're doing and organically growing a language throwing whatever fits at it

[warped narwhal]

C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but when you do you blow your whole leg off.

[sour harness]

It will be a joyful ride once you do your first stack mangle and your function crashes randomly somewhere and you can't tell why

[opaque wharf]

Hey, at least rust puts a guard rail so even if it's complex, they tried their best to make sure the program does not encounter memory issue

[tender river]

thats because rust was carefully engineered from scratch rather than adding features to an existing language

(they did end up going for some compromises obviously)

[opaque wharf]

Now I'm curious, is there game engine in Golang

[warped narwhal]

who would be masochistic enough to do that?

[tender river]

i've played some games written in go

[opaque wharf]

This list of people
https://www.dragonflydb.io/game-dev/engines/golang

[fast pagoda]

cognitive complexity checker for functions, i have it running with qlty, the metric is simple enough it's just "how hard would this to be able to mentally follow/understand"

similar type of thing to cyclomatic complexity

[sour harness]

in my industry cyclomatic complexity is a big thing

[fast pagoda]

200 line configuration function with like 10-15 levels of nesting LULE

it's ok i have the base of it being reduced at this point ready 2 go which is taking it from that to like 50 lines with some helpers to turn it all into an index based thing instead of a shitload of if statements

i hate past me's proclivity to just slap Any on everything in the world

im going through and actually adding correct type hints rn and there are just so many

encoder should be type Encoding

[opaque wharf]

This is why I never use "Any" in TypeScript no matter how convoluted the type may be

[fast pagoda]

the other day i had like 200 uses of Any in a react project from a while ago

lol

[opaque wharf]

Brother, you're using typescript to get some sanity, not losing it even more

[fast pagoda]

not me

well, i fixed it anyways

so my insanity went back to semi sanity

[rare bridge]

still having trouble getting rclone to copy or sync from local to remote

i think the host server is misbehaving

[fast pagoda]

rclone worked great for me when i was removing everything from my onedrive and wiping the whole thing

and then it didnt work at all for google drive

so i have 50/50 success with it

[maiden geyser]

host cerber?

[olive sable]

serber

probably means server?

[stark needle]

https://tenor.com/view/cerbervt-cerber-vtuber-gif-10311925857878532653

[fast pagoda]

cerba

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

srba

[olive sable]

srb

[maiden geyser]

srbska

[olive sable]

serbini

[olive sable]

i appear to still be doing it wrong

[olive sable]

the formatting of this is something

[rare bridge]

just realised a cursed way i could do this

but i need to look into it further

[tender river]

fields are declared in the struct/class body, not the constructor

[olive sable]

ah

[tender river]

the constructor is for code that runs, field declarations arent code that runs (well they partially are but thats a story for another day)

fields are just a list of what the struct/class contains

since the compiler has to know the struct/class layout before it can do anything with it

[olive sable]

My windows broke

oh it crashed and fixed itself

im guessing it was file explorer

[amber fractal]

Yep, sounds like file explorer to me

[tender river]

[olive sable]

opening that fucked up my hdr for some reason

classic windows

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9NVrz_pu4k8
when we putting ai in one of these?

[warped narwhal]

Wtf?

I never thought I would see an ai commit seppuku

[olive sable]

i fixed the hdr and i can see it now

damn thats dark

[amber fractal]

white_screen.png

[olive sable]

ye basicly that

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-meeseeks-rick-and-morty-gif-18325280

[olive sable]

oowie

[rare bridge]

[olive sable]

i do wonder if it could actually do that

probably not

[rare bridge]

decided a less cursed solution was best, it's working now

[opaque wharf]

Nooo, I wanna see the cursed solution

[rare bridge]

cursed solution was:
local to docker container running minio s3 then from minio s3 to local filesystem on server, then local filesystem to cloud storage s3

current solution:
local to local filesystem on server via smb then local filesystem to cloud storage s3

currently running the first cold upload to local backup store, will mean i leave my machine running overnight

[olive sable]

its beautifull

im trying to cook audio inhouse so i dont need to find yt videos with cooked audio

basicly im just throwing random things in apo at the audio

[opaque wharf]

Use audacity/tenacity and increase volume over 100%. Add noise. Clip it. Go wild

Also, I just wanna share this great article about writing userspace usb driver in rust

https://crescentro.se/posts/writing-drivers/

[nocturne olive]

I wonder if Explorer was also responsible for my Windows destructing and Win11 got the same downgrade

[olive sable]

w elove win fiel explorer

[tight tinsel]

if anything freezes I just restart explorer

[amber fractal]

We love it indeed

It has zero issues working

[amber fractal]

If I were to transpose how I do "art" into audio, this would not be considered distorted enough for my tastes.

Honestly, sounds fun to do some distortion, but overprojecting

[olive sable]

im trying to make it more distorted but its jsut going silent if i overdo it

[amber fractal]

Every 3-4 effects do an amply, I usually have to reanchor after that many.

[nocturne olive]

Silly
Reminds me of when I garbled some audio samples for the last game jam

[amber fractal]

Or apply the orginal at a fraction

For intentional distorting at competitive level (real), I like to abstract the effect's intended purpose from what it does. Granted it takes a long time to do that if your not used to thinking like that.

[stone cedar]

One new graphics card later and after some adjustments (because different drivers behave differently in weird ways) I finally finished CSM. It even comes with the tell-tale transition artefacts between csm layers
-# This took way longer than it should and to whomever it concerns, don't accidently enable anisotropic filtering on your shadow map sampler and chase weird bugs the better part of a week.

[jagged turtle]

I keep forgetting the programming channel is also used for non-programming stuff

[amber fractal]

Yeah, it is just a general tech channel

very weird tbh

[jagged turtle]

rename to #tech surely

or like tech-all

[amber fractal]

Somewhere like 2 years ago there was a poll for the name and it ended up like this IIRC

[tight tinsel]

have to be inclusive to those who write code on paper

programming lore?

[amber fractal]

*punchcards

[jagged turtle]

anyways I need to figure out how to make this require unique items per array slot

so for example if the first slot is EnvEnums.Workspace then the second can't be EnvEnums.Workspace, has to be EnvEnums.UI or EnvEnums.Web

[jagged turtle]

thing is writing code with punchcards is the original inception of programming therefore the current channel name would include it anyways

[amber fractal]

It's easy to outcast them, so it is good to make sure they feel included

[jagged turtle]

(emoji disappeared so typing it out) neuroHesRight

[amber fractal]

Free "beginner" project idea, listen for a keyboard shortcut and pop up a window. Enter in a string, the string is tiled until it reaches a char limit defined in the config file. The resulting string is copied to the system keyboard and the window fricks off.
Listening to neuro karaoke and thought about the twitch chat.

@nocturne olive out of not really curiosity, how much yapping would I need for an "acceptable" RVC model?

[opaque sigil]

function makeRunEnvs<
  F extends EnvEnums,
  S extends Exclude<EnvEnums, F>,
  T extends Exclude<EnvEnums, F | S>
>(
  ...tuple: [F] | [F, S] | [F, S, T]
): typeof tuple {
  return tuple;
}

something like this?

[nocturne olive]

It depends on quality, but I've heard numbers as low as 10 minutes

But for better data quality I'd go for something closer to 30-60 minutes

[amber fractal]

Alrighty, was considering self cloning for fun so those seem like decently attainable numbers.

[nocturne olive]

You do need a decently good GPU to get good batch size

12GB VRAM gives you around 16 batch size

Or on the latest version of Applio potentially as high as 22 batch size

[opaque sigil]

(it works though)

[amber fractal]

I got 24GB VRAM card that I can use, granted it'll be slow as balls but I don't mind waiting a bit.

[opaque wharf]

I mean, it would be boring if all we ever discuss is the programming and not the technology surrounding it

[nocturne olive]

P40?

[amber fractal]

Yeah, I can get one or two of them working atm, 4 in the future. Bandwidth is not going to be the best so I'm not counting on multi gpu training.

[nocturne olive]

The compute on those things sucks, definitely gonna be compute limited rather than memory limited

[opaque wharf]

Like this?
https://github.com/mindverse/Second-Me

[amber fractal]

110% but it is what I got to work with

[opaque sigil]

enum EnvEnums {
    UI = "UI (Client)",
    Workspace = "Workspace (Server)",
    Web = "Web (Browser)",
}

type _Permutate<T, U = T> = U extends unknown
    ? [U] | [U, ..._Permutate<T, Exclude<T, U>>]
    : never;

// @ts-expect-error It's fiiiiiiine
export type RunEnvsArray = _Permutate<EnvEnums>;

typescript my beloved (there's like 380 parts of this union)

[nocturne olive]

The reason I want 3090s is because they have 24GB VRAM, great bandwidth, compute comparable to what I have now and can be paired up to double their effectiveness

[jagged turtle]

I was wondering how to do that in a .d.ts file, but I think enforcing it at runtime also works

[nocturne olive]

Just annoying that they're so pricy

[opaque sigil]

yeah you may as well just check at runtime

[amber fractal]

Yeah they are stupidly pricey, I could sell all 4 and only get a single 3090.

[opaque wharf]

For more type gymnastic, maybe check type-fest

You don't have to add it as dependency, you can also just copy-paste the implmenetation

[nocturne olive]

For large model inference, 4x P40 will be better, but for training 3090 will be able to use gradient accumulation to simulate comparable batch sizes waaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy faster

[opaque sigil]

playing with the typescript type system is fun

[amber fractal]

Nah, just the voice cloning is all I need. I'd rather build my own AI tooling for various needs.

[nocturne olive]

Applio is all you need for a simple RVC voice clone

You could even include both singing and speaking to get a more flexible model

[opaque wharf]

Indeed. The things that it could do...

[opaque sigil]

https://github.com/MichiganTypeScript/typescript-types-only-wasm-runtime there's this banger

[amber fractal]

I'm not denying that, I'm just saying it's what I have. I'm fully aware it'll be slow as balls.

[nocturne olive]

I really hope I can figure out a way to fund at least a single 3090 with how much of a pain dealing with the iGPU is on Linux

Still haven't got Firefox onto it

[opaque wharf]

My god this repo is just a gateway to another crime

[olive sable]

headphone warning

[amber fractal]

EDM

[opaque wharf]

Ideally this is BEFORE the video

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

edm cooks the audio better

[tight tinsel]

put money machine over it

iirc it’s that very loud song last dev stream

last one jn the intro

[amber fractal]

At least one random bwaa as well

[olive sable]

?

[jagged turtle]

programming war crimes now that I read it a bit

[tight tinsel]

100gecs should be it

third result

[olive sable]

ok

[crude carbon]

Programing AI in a language other than Python is no fun, but I'd rather have the blazingly fast speeds of a compiled language for something I know is going to benefit from every ounce of performance -_-

[amber fractal]

the shitpost budget is only growing

[opaque sigil]

i think i'm just never going to turn on audio on your videos again

[opaque wharf]

Ditch compiler altogether, make you own custom hardware

[crude carbon]

Lmao

[olive sable]

as it should

[crude carbon]

If I am successful, then maybe, but let me program something that works first lol

[opaque wharf]

Come and learn Verilog or VHDL with me

[olive sable]

i like how everything is 2x as loud on my end cuz discord actualyl makes it quiter

[olive sable]

AIGAIN, HEADPHONE WARNING

[crude carbon]

Lol, after I learn GO enough to make a working network, then I'll look into it

[tight tinsel]

Theres a version covered by neuro

[olive sable]

ah mb

lemme find it

[tight tinsel]

nah it’s good this is very peak

[crude carbon]

But why?

[olive sable]

idk, its 4am. shitpost time

[tight tinsel]

it’s also already garbled to shitpost levels

[crude carbon]

Lol, fair enough ig

[olive sable]

palate cleanser

[stone cedar]

Do you actually need the python performance? What intense things are you doing inside python that that would be an issue?

[olive sable]

ok its time to go back to work maybe

wait i need to do one last thing

[opaque sigil]

yeah it's called sleep

[olive sable]

@gritty dust

nah

[gritty dust]

Lolll my earsss

[olive sable]

i need craftercheese to get his eardrums blown out

[gritty dust]

rude smh

[olive sable]

what was i doing again even?

oh ye, my oop worked

[olive sable]

you wanted this, you shall receive

[warped narwhal]

Give us spinning 144p tutel with funky town 🥺

[amber fractal]

There is already a tutel spinning with funky town, just needs to be 144p

[tight tinsel]

boo cobalt won’t let me download yt videos

[olive sable]

bruh

so no cooked audio? only low bitrate?

[amber fractal]

I'm assuming also cooked audio

[stone cedar]

is very low bitrate audio a form of cooking?

[olive sable]

idk

[stray dragon]

you are preparing ingredients to make a product worthy of consumption

sounds like cooking to me

[olive sable]

again

ears bleed

[tight tinsel]

so peak

damn you cobalt let me download my audio!!

[desert wave]

slightly loud for 3:40am

[olive sable]

told you so

[knotty current]

masterpiece

[stray dragon]

at 10% volume it's still a bit loud holy

this is art

[olive sable]

it is louder on my end than on discord so...

im dying

[stray dragon]

the best low quality funky town i have is this one

[olive sable]

perfect

[crude carbon]

I assume you mean "do I need compiled performance?", and to answer that question I would simply say that I think its silly that Python is the default option for AI considering how much is actually happening in those networks, or well, I know why they use it, its easier, but I'm trying to make something more performant and scalable

[olive sable]

shoudl i make another one? i feel like at this rate its jsut gonna become annoying

[opaque sigil]

you're aware none of the actual math heavy computation runs in python land right

[stone cedar]

What I am saying is, all the hard work is done in libs that are compiled anyways. Most python AI programs consist of 1. Load data 2. Let library do work

[olive sable]

yep

you're gpu limited anyways

or you shoudl be at least, otherwise you have a major problem

[crude carbon]

Yes, but its hard to explain why what I'm specifically doing would require that a lot of math be done CPU side so the language performance for my model idea does actually matter

[opaque sigil]

that's fine, doesn't mean it has to be run as interpreted python

[stone cedar]

Look into cython or cpython

[crude carbon]

Ya, well, tbf, even if I did use Python, I'd need to rewrite a lot of those libs anyway for this particular project, so IG what I'm saying is that doing things from scratch is hard lol

Some of the libs that are out there could have been used though, but meh, still feel like GO is the better choice in this particular situation

[crude carbon]

Oh right, I forgot you can actually compile Python

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[opaque sigil]

i was mainly talking about c extensions but i suppose some implementations you can compile too

[crude carbon]

Well, fuck it, I'm already well over 1k lines and I know GO better so

[crude carbon]

Oh, ya, I suppose there's that too

[amber fractal]

Let the yapping begin, my throat hurts because that is a lot lower and higher than my voice normally goes

I'm just reading from https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1337733692709146674 as vocal

[hoary lion]

chat

NHWC or NCHW

for convolution

[nocturne olive]

Quite silly

[amber fractal]

idk either so I recommend coin flip

[nocturne olive]

Once you're done with it try to reduce empty space and noise

Leave some pure emptyness for the model to deal with though

[amber fractal]

I figured that was a step that was needed, I started 400 msgs back from the thread so I'm going until I catch up. And that thread is as popular as a text channel

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[amber fractal]

I would have done programming, but entire essays exist over there so better for it anyways. Plus I get to look into that thread, it has been a bit.

[amber fractal]

My throat hurts

I'm at 16 minutes tho

[nocturne olive]

Good stuff

At this rate you can get a training run going quite soon

Then just throw a bunch of batch size at it and let it go to like 60-100 epochs and you're done

Though you could try going higher, just make sure you save every 10 or so epochs so you can then test for the best model
If you'd like some good test files I can help with getting you that

[olive sable]

Goodnight

[amber fractal]

gn sam

[amber fractal]

That'd be appreciated yeah, I'll wait for the audio first. I'm only 50ish messages left on the thread but my throat should not be destroyed.

[nocturne olive]

Silly

I probably still have some NeuroSynth test files lying around, though I don't know how suitable exactly that would be for your voice

[amber fractal]

It'd probably not be close at all

Especially because the voice will be intentionally scratchy

[nocturne olive]

If there's a gender difference you can just -12 in the inference pitch

[amber fractal]

I don't think that is the issue but yeah

[nocturne olive]

RVC is surprisingly flexible at times, we'll see
Our test files are usually quite easy to pass

[nocturne olive]

Hm, that's gonna be a very interesting one to see

You're gonna need some crazy good data with very consistent sound profiles to make it sound good after RVC, otherwise a vocal synthesizer might be the only way to go

[amber fractal]

I'm gifted enough to be consistent and have entry level audio equipment

[nocturne olive]

This will be particularly intersting for me considering how much audio model stuff I do

[amber fractal]

Exactly why I asked

[nocturne olive]

I kinda want to know what it ends up sounding like

[amber fractal]

Will do

[nocturne olive]

If you need help setting up Applio or with training configs or anything else, let me know

[amber fractal]

I'll be sure to do so

[amber fractal]

I should say, this is not merging two. I can just do this raw in my vocalcords.

Voice is too dead, I'll just work on cleaning the current

ik it'll be over 10 minutes at least so I'm at the starting line.

[nocturne olive]

Try to aim for 30-60min as I said, though if you're trying to have some intentional noise profile you should get as much good data for that as possible

[amber fractal]

I'm just taking a break, I tried going for as long as I can for this session

Voice isn't voicing anymore

[nocturne olive]

Will be exceptionally interesting to see what you come up with for dataset

[amber fractal]

I'll see what part 1's time ends up coming to. It was about 16:30 when I started, so I'll see how much empty will end up being removed.

I'm glad I can speak, just locked out of that one for a bit

[nocturne olive]

By the way, if you want I can also try my hand at the dataset later after your attempt
I need something to figure out how Applio on Linux compares anyway

[amber fractal]

It'd be fun to see how far it goes

[nocturne olive]

It'll be very interesting indeed

If the model turns out flexible it would be funny to make a synthetic vocal synthesizer dataset

[amber fractal]

If one wants a flexible model I'd just yap normally

My pitch normally is on a pendulum

[fast pagoda]

vocaloid iggly

[amber fractal]

I also can't voice crack because it is just that normal that even if it exists it would just be normal tuesday

[amber fractal]

vocaloid would go hard

[nocturne olive]

We will see what happens, it would be funny if your random voice became a well known vocal synthesizer with original songs and stuff

[amber fractal]

I wonder if I can just yap into the RVC and it'd be considered decent data? Probably not but it would be a lot closer than someone else doing it.

[nocturne olive]

I guess it's valid, though adding singing would of course improve sinigng performance

[amber fractal]

The voice normally is hell on my body, singing is going to be even worse. It'll be interesting for sure.

not even 20 minutes speaking

[nocturne olive]

Just pick some short songs with a lot of pitch and phoneme variance

[hoary lion]

teto reboot? 🔥

[amber fractal]

no 🔥

[hoary lion]

we'll see

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth is the one I'm currently most excited about, it's already proving very promising

[amber fractal]

The issue is that I can normally yap for hours

so it is that intense on my vocals

[amber fractal]

DO NOT CRASH OUT BEFORE I CAN SAVE PLEASE LINUX

I do not know what audacity was smoking, but the entire system locked up twice. Something I thought wasn't possible.

[nocturne olive]

And that's why one gets muscle memory to spam save

[amber fractal]

I lost keyboard input, that's how bad it was

From 20 minutes down to 16 removing void parts, didn't do too much grading on the audio itself.

Note to self for next time is to actually merge the sections before removing stuff

[nocturne olive]

At some point you'll want to remove noise and if there's any segments of audio that sound like bad data

[amber fractal]

I was in a quiet room so it's minimal, bad data I'll have to listen through and remove a bit.

[nocturne olive]

For any silence you leave (make sure to leave at least some so the model learns how to do silence) try to do the select > create > silence thing to make it pure silence

[amber fractal]

Probably got rid of too much silence, but I got a bit more data to add to the dataset.

[nocturne olive]

You can add more silence later if you want, it's not really a big deal

[amber fractal]

Yeah I'm not stressing over it, just noting it for later

[nocturne olive]

Well, I'm gonna sleep
If you need any help with the dataset, feel free to DM me whenever and I'll respond as soon as I have time

Tomorrow will be day 3 of setting up Linux Mint after Windows decided to die

Main point: HTTPS certificates

[maiden geyser]

is there anything better than a tub of frozen mashed raspberries

[bitter coral]

I have added a save/load System for drawings in my art program, still should really work on my brush system though as it would be a pain to draw anything sizable.(also need to be able to delete drawings but that surely won't be difficult)

[midnight sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJzPJ-8ejEI

[covert bane]

Peak AI behavior

[opaque wharf]

Is the editor open source?

[stark needle]

depends on framework and gpu

[warped narwhal]

Sounds like you ran out of ram, id recommend adding some swap

[stark needle]

wait what

[sour harness]

Love the .cpp) files

[mossy fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g1eCC05Ud0

[maiden geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1099761105552814100/1366058153204125716/speechmemified_pasteimage.gif

call when US government dumps it, otherwise it's another nothingburger

[trim valve]

what?

[noble zodiac]

it will take them 10 years to migrate way from microsoft products

[stark needle]

i didnt know tqdm had lore

i just thought it was a random name

[fast pagoda]

that's cool, rarely does anything non-english influence programming language i feel like

[wary rover]

There is a lot of non-english influence in the whimsical realm of OS's that are in use on merchant vessels

Will be a maritime mechanical engineer and if I want to advance to Chief Engineer in the future I will have to learn how to manhandle those

[stark needle]

nice pretraining speed

[mossy fossil]

Not really, Denmark is rolling out Linux and other FOSS applications by August (First Half) and By October (Second Half)

so much for taking 10 years, huh?

[noble zodiac]

we will see about when that one is complete

[mossy fossil]

Switzerland already made the switch, and several European Public Sectors have already done the switch too.

France's Police for example: they got so upset that Windows XP got discontinued that they made their own linux distro.

[noble zodiac]

2008 - The decision is made to migrate to Ubuntu on 90% of the Gendarmerie's computers by 2016.
Early June 2019 - 90% of workstations running GendBuntu

ok sorry, its 11 years

my bad

[mossy fossil]

you're just mad that microsoft is getting what it fucking deserves

[noble zodiac]

no, I am for the switch just against clickbait thats acting as if the microsoft endtimes is nigh

[mossy fossil]

Clickbait is literally everywhere, this is why dearrow was invented

[stray dragon]

just use pattern recognition, it makes clickbait ineffective :)

[uneven pulsar]

FINNALY ITS WORKING

[unkempt citrus]

So I work on government and I like linux, but honestly aside from reducing dependence on Microsoft I can't see much reason to move to Linux

• most devices are thin clients now, the performance difference is minimal
• windows actually historically had had longer support than Ubuntu, 12 years on XP and 14 on win7
• the security improvements aren't the biggest deal when your primary vulnerability is social engineering
• Microsoft has better custom support just because of size
• people are tech illiterate, sticking to windows does help, even if you think they're dumb
• there's so much custom tooling that would have to be migrated

The Only real argument I can see is cost but you could also end up hiring more SWEs to fix the above stuff like tooling and support which might not be worth it

For servers many should be linix already though, though could probably migrate more over if they haven't

[faint sandal]

from the perspective of someone who's been dealing with EDR endpoints and observing IR cases over the years I can tell you Windows is significantly better at providing toolings and APIs for pinpointing threats than Linux

[wary rover]

There are also government affiliated agencies that are related to governments that are not very good friends with US government. Using Linux is a pretty important layer of cybersecurity for those

[unkempt citrus]

That is fair

But until recently, even China was using Windows for government applications and still migrating

same with russia, migrating recently

[lament igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g1eCC05Ud0

[wary rover]

Don't know about less secretive departments, but russian intelligence and counter-intelligence services use astra linux since at least 2019. Maybe even before that, but I am not sure

[unkempt citrus]

2019 is recent in my eyes

[wary rover]

I mean, fair

[unkempt citrus]

[wary rover]

2019 was the happiest year of my life

[noble zodiac]

if you want business level support there isnt a lot out there. Redhat is usa based, canonical is british which is almost as bad

[opaque wharf]

To be fair, for a government that is indeed recent

6 years is like, the blink of an eye for government work

[wary rover]

Bathroom break

[uneven pulsar]

idk what to do should i start working on a discord bot

[opaque wharf]

You should cook dinner

[wary rover]

What effect does this potion give

[opaque wharf]

Speed buff mainly as it contains lots of spice and capsaicin

[uneven pulsar]

i suggest about a ai bot filter that prevents by passing the filter using any other language then they laughed at me

[wary rover]

Fire resistance then (through exposure)

[uneven pulsar]

like what ever the fuck i suggest i just get shit on

[opaque wharf]

Because the data it needs is enormous. I don't think there exists a toxic dataset with all possible combination of insult/toxicity

[opaque wharf]

Yea

[rare bridge]

running the first cold backup takes so long

[uneven pulsar]

yeah my ideas are really stupid and shit i hate my life

[opaque wharf]

You could help me create a bot to somehow bridge discord dicussion into github

[rare bridge]

esp since for some reason SMB is refusing to use like 90% of this network's capability

[uneven pulsar]

oh

[wary rover]

What if you add every single possible alternative for english letters in the form of symbols from other languages? English has 26 letters and there are like 10 variants for each on average I estimate. What if you check symbol by symbol?

[unkempt citrus]

Super Mario Bros

[uneven pulsar]

i once made an url scanner code uisng chat gpt api and when i showcased the idea it got rejected like they said its pointless and then i told them it can be used to check if the link is safe tho

[unkempt citrus]

Isn't that an offline games

Thonk

[rare bridge]

[uneven pulsar]

and then they said its shit on me

[rare bridge]

i mean the SMB file transfer software, also known as Samba

[uneven pulsar]

how do yall think of my idea pretty bad?

[unkempt citrus]

Could you open more ports to try and increase the speed?

[opaque wharf]

That can be used to generate the dataset yes. But doing comparison to that data itself will be a huge computation. Usually simple filter use what-is-that-distance-name

Basically the similarity of words by symbols alone

[unkempt citrus]

Hamming distance? Euclidean ditance?

[uneven pulsar]

yea i did try this didn't work

[opaque wharf]

Maybe hamming, but there is something more specific

[rare bridge]

if given a list i can open the ports locally, but i have no intention of opening SMB ports outside of the local network

[unkempt citrus]

cosine similarity?

[opaque wharf]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levenshtein_distance

[uneven pulsar]

like i always wanted to make a fps game about a girl being a cook who hunts for demonic ingredients to make special high paying food

then they said its a shit idea

cooking game with fps

[wary rover]

Monster hunter is a shit game then and so is Zelda

[uneven pulsar]

fps not open world

and in a ultrakill and mixed with doom style

they said its a shit idea

[opaque wharf]

I think you should just go for it. Let the world judge it after its finished later

[wary rover]

If there are two different game loops, like hunting and cooking it can be fun

I have an idea of a roguelike rpg that revolves around passive skills. Like your stats can't be changed, but you can acquire skills that alter stats in some way, or make them influence your damage output or resistance in some way

I really like passive skills

As a concept

[uneven pulsar]

yeah but i wanted to make a cooking game but to get this is where the fps is in a ultrakill and doom way

[stray dragon]

how do you even

a cooking fps?

[wary rover]

Oh, I just shared my idea of a game. Not related to yours, I like yours. Just thought it's sharing time and shared mine

[stray dragon]

dude's making kitchen gun into a game

[wary rover]

Two game loops? Like hunting phase, return to base, cooking phase for example

[stray dragon]

i can see that

[wary rover]

Extraction shooter template works with that concept I feel like

[uneven pulsar]

yes thats the idea

[stray dragon]

breaking into a building and shooting everyone to steal a bag of rice for dinner

[uneven pulsar]

yes it would be funny like you would have kill a demon god too cook its meat

but you get payed a lot for your dishes

[wary rover]

Imagine like caring a huge corpse of a monster back to base, cause you need it for cooking and now your speed is 10% of what it usually is and you still need to dodge and kill pesky low-level mobs swarming you

[stray dragon]

might work better as a post-apocalyptic setting with the difference between the fps and the cooking parts exaggerated for comedic effect

[wary rover]

Like dragging a fat insect-hive queen while her children are enraged attacking you

[uneven pulsar]

yeah but here the twist she the diagther of a fallen god who living normal life as a cook and found a special dish boook

[stray dragon]

cozy little cooking game and then literal hell to pick up groceries and then back to cozy little cooking game

[stray dragon]

interesting

[wary rover]

I've been learining English for 16 years at this point and I never heard the word diagther. 100 years you live, 100 years you learn

[uneven pulsar]

she the daughter of hades but she gets EXILED to the modern humman world end up as regular cook

[stray dragon]

typo of daughter

[wary rover]

Oh

[uneven pulsar]

fast typing

[stray dragon]

lmao

[wary rover]

I thought it was some synonym to descendant

[stray dragon]

synonym

[uneven pulsar]

English not my main language and i type to fast

[wary rover]

Same, English is my third

[stray dragon]

damn

impressive

[uneven pulsar]

honestly any thought's on the concept?

[wary rover]

I like it

[stray dragon]

could work

[uneven pulsar]

mixing cooking with fps would be some good idea

[wary rover]

@grokk is that a good concept?

[stray dragon]

@grok i have a question

[uneven pulsar]

you cant ping grok on discord😭

[sage crag]

@t2 i have a question

[stray dragon]

you get one question.

[zealous cobalt]

@stray dragon ngl gotta ask, why the 9900X with a RX 6600XT? You using it mainly as a productivity machine or?

[uneven pulsar]

minecraft servers

[stray dragon]

the most i play is modded minecraft recently

the gpu simply does not matter

[zealous cobalt]

ahh

got it

[stray dragon]

i do host minecraft servers though

and those run single-core

so single-core speed is VERY important

9900x seemed like a good option for that

[uneven pulsar]

to be honest the idea wont get out of my head

[wary rover]

Just make a computer more powerful than yours in applied energistics and game on it, easy

[stray dragon]

ok now what

[wary rover]

Ah, finally. Minecraft server

Imagine the temperature in this room

[stray dragon]

the setup only eats 140 watts on average with all the servers running

"only" it used to eat 70 watts before i upgraded the cpu lmao

[wary rover]

So it requires 10 times less power than my kettle

Cool

[tight tinsel]

minecraft server for boiling water

both in game and irl

[wary rover]

And the energy for it both irl and in game is generated by, you guessed it, boiling water

[uneven pulsar]

hydro engineering

[wary rover]

Boilers and heating contours are my specialty irl

Also diesel engines

But for now mosly boilers

My favorite part is sitting in the control room next to engine room for 8 hours during night shift and having auditory hallucinations due to constant brain-numbing noise

[zealous cobalt]

all roads lead to boiling water

[tender river]

how many bricks do you have to eat

before you make your skin turn orange

[opaque wharf]

0, carrot will do it just fine IIRC

Or turmeric

[wary rover]

Or orange crayons

[tender river]

bricks are so versatile

i like bricks

[uneven pulsar]

Hi

I am actually looking to develop a vtuber .

Can anyone guide me

[nocturne olive]

AIVT? Tip: don't
If you're just gonna make another LLM AIVT there's no point, Neuro saturates the market

[stray dragon]

except photovoltaic and thermoelectric

and hydroelectric

...and wind

........and gas

4 roads lead to water

there

[wary rover]

I mean, to be fair, same thing could have been said about vocaloids. Miku saturates the market, there is no point

[zealous cobalt]

I mean gas powered powerplants use it to boil water

[stray dragon]

actually i retract that, gas uses a secondary steam turbine to use the waste heat

yeah

5 roads lead to water

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[wary rover]

I was honestly amazed when I learned all layers of utilization of "waste energy" of vessels. It's almost a closed system

since they are in voyage for months at a time fuel efficiency is peak

[stray dragon]

yeah it was really interesting when i first heard about district heating

so many ways to use waste heat

[zealous cobalt]

also this is also technically caused by water boiling/evaporating and then depositing on higher altitudes

check mate

[stray dragon]

damn it you're RIGHT

what about pumped storage hydroelectric though.

[zealous cobalt]

I mean that's storage not generation

[stray dragon]

it is storage and generation

[nocturne olive]

Day 3 of setting up Linux Mint after Windows died: HTTPS certificates and autoruns

[zealous cobalt]

You wouldn't count batteries as a generation method

[stray dragon]

i mean

are you even "generating" energy in the first place

[wary rover]

What energy do pumps operate on?

[stray dragon]

you're just converting it

[stray dragon]

pumped storage hydroelectricity uses surplus electricity to pump water into a storage basin uphill, and then uses that water to run turbines when demand is high

they just run on electricity

[zealous cobalt]

well, using the word "generating" to mean converting energy to a form usable by us

[stray dragon]

whatever i'm not debating language you win

[wary rover]

Even if you put 100 people in comically large hamster wheel it will still partially run on water because metabolism

[zealous cobalt]

ahahahahaha

[zealous cobalt]

facts

[stray dragon]

yeah but it's not boiling water that runs them

[wary rover]

I mean, yeah

Hydro powerplants use regular water too

Geothermal ones use hot water, but not boiling water

So it's like a gradient

[stray dragon]

wait, geothermal doesn't boil?

curious how they work now

[wary rover]

UUUuuuuhhh...

Thermal couple

Evaporation apparently. Water doesn't need to boil to release steam that has enough pressure to be used in electricity generation

[stray dragon]

interesting

[opaque wharf]

Technically speaking the term boil refers to the fact that water turns into steam no?

Oh right, it's not

I forgot

[wary rover]

Also water pressure and boiling are weird, cause some geothermal powerplants use water that is above 180C, but is not boiling, and then depressurize it tomake it flash-boil

I can speak about this topic much more freely in native language, but my knowledge of scientific english terminology nerfs me a lot

So, ugh, heat water thingy turbine vroom

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, all roads lead to moving electron/magnetic field somehow

[wary rover]

There is also dry steam, saturated steam and a bunch of niche terms for all the flavors inbetween

[stray dragon]

oh there's also binary cycle

water is used to carry heat and then boils a refrigerant to produce the high-pressure gas that goes through a turbine

[wary rover]

When the topic of conversation is in your field of expertise, but language barrier steals your 2 minutes of smart

[opaque wharf]

But I do wonder, don't they usually teach technical term in english everywhere?

At least my college did

[wary rover]

Depending on the field it can vary. In computer science you will learn everything in english directly because yeah

In my field I MUST eventually know all terminology in English, but I learn how this whole thing works in my language first and then vocab is trained through association

Cause if you don't know what translation means what is the point of knowing it

And I am only on my second year, cut me some slack, ok :(

[opaque wharf]

Oh you haven't finished higher ed yet. Yeah, that's normal then. Usually my college also place the english/international standard at the end

[wary rover]

I mean, I do know some stuff. I am actually considered the best in terms of English level in my year and guys who are third year or even 4th year sometimes come to me for English related questions

But when you are in English-speaking environment this title doesn't mean anything

I also teach kids English as a side hustle, so I have a good grasp on the basics and how to explain language related stuff to others

[tight tinsel]

exam tomorrow and I have yet to unpack my bag for revision stuff

at least the first exam is geography which is mostly common sense

[uneven pulsar]

that's not wrong tho

there's been dozens of vocaloids since but people overall are most attached to miku, and her generation

"sound of the future" vs idk some new flavor of voice synth with marginal better this or that than v4 was

[wary rover]

Depends on your goals I guess. If you intend to make money on vocaloid - highly unlikely. If you want to make one as a personal project - why not? Same with AI vtubers

[uneven pulsar]

yeah anything goes as a personal project

it's just that if i didn't intend actual viewership, i'd just call it an assistant or gaming friend or such, not a vtuber

so it feels like viewership is intended

[wary rover]

Im making a text-based fishing gacha game for example to learn coding. I don't think you can come up with a game idea dumber that this. But it's fun. And painful. And fun!

[uneven pulsar]

do you fish the lootboxes that give you better fishing gear and making you a better fisherman

[wary rover]

I mean, there are so many paths you can take with this, that Vedal won't be able to implement them all in 8 lifetimes. there is always something different you can come up with and make niche for yourself

[wary rover]

For now its "catch" to catch a random fish, collection to see collection. Later I will add fish editions, like shiny, holographic or something like that (definitely didnt steal an idea from balatro), color and size. then I might learn how code in the realm of internet works and make a discord bot out of it maybe

Like this is my whole ""game"" for now

[uneven pulsar]

i just like to think of this as "crushing dreams as advice"
someone walks up to you with starry eyes asking for guidance, clearly absorbed in some kind of image of the future where something is so great and so cool, lots of details are missing but are filled with the magic brush making it even cooler. it's sort of my job to yoink them straight into a (somewhat gentle) trial by fire to see if they really want it, if they know what they're wishing for, and such. generally the part that the genie asking for your 3 wishes will neglect doing

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-sama-ai-vtuber-smug-eyebrows-gif-6748269458467034443

"just wanna practice" is always the magic word because that can always be done
but people who are attached to the dreamy result and not the journey often need "are you sure" and "why not" type of advice more than they need "start here"

[wary rover]

I can't help but wonder how much money Vedal spends on maintaining Neuro's operation. I am not speaking of projects lile concert or merch, but the AI cluster itself

[patent walrus]

this is just like irl fishing

[wary rover]

Add 0.1% probability of catch command working and clean collection every 3 days and it's on point

[uneven pulsar]

yeah especially considering how many tools there are in the background

iirc he mentioned there being 3 different filters and 2 of those are AI services meaning some company hangs off some profit

[wary rover]

Also training is out of the equation, cause its a whole different beast. Just regular test and stream runs

[uneven pulsar]

i'm not into the whole thing (for lack of hardware and time to mess around to learn) to be sure, but from what other people seem to say about this or that model bing this smart, that smart, this fast, that fast, i'm sure they need more than "two good gamer PCs" worth of power even for inference - especially to do it so fast and also be kind of interruptible

then their vision, gaming stuff, etc etc

also idk how their memory exactly relates

like is there a big preexisting model, fine tuned with a memory wrapper

like do they read a context of 500 or 5000 pages every time before they open their mouth

how layered all that is, whether they can choose to go deeper this way or that way

that's probably the most interesting part

of which vedal does not talk about for a reason

[wary rover]

Maybe they make a memory call only if they need to? And they kinda cascade. 10 pages read - no relevant data, reading more, 100 pages, no relevant data, reading more

I have no idea

I started coding 3 days ago

God I have to read how to make hashmaps now, oh the misery

And then bossfight with serde dependency

[stark needle]

neuro almost certainly runs on a cloud h100/h200

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

Ignore the fact its 5pm

[maiden geyser]

not like it's 10pm for some

[olive sable]

I meant for me

If it wasnt ibvious

[stark needle]

i love when this happens

[stark needle]

[opaque wharf]

At least you know you fucked up on your side

Yay, Sam is here. Can't wait to see what shenanigans you'll up to

[uneven pulsar]

btw scadu-sama
how hard would you say is it to split them like

make neuro run on 3 of those

[uneven pulsar]

good old times when stuff would just not load

[stark needle]

not hard

[rancid condor]

This chat is frying my brain

[opaque wharf]

Welcome to #programming

[rancid condor]

Not new

I've made 5 bots for today more yesterday

[maiden geyser]

250 messages in 2 days? zamn

[tender river]

i have decided that my temple will be made of bricks

[proper valve]

what specs does neurosama run on

[wary rover]

Check twitch bio of Vedal987

They are all listed there :)

[wary rover]

Ok, can somebody explain the logic behind this? I am working on catching function to make it actually work and output a variant of an enum. It threw a tantrum about mismatching types (other functions of a match just print "thing will be here" for the purpose of testing). I disable other functions with //. It still complaints about mismatched types. Why? There are literally no other types

Oh, I need to make a fishie randomizer a separate function and make catch command output a string of text that would be the same as the output of a randomizer?

[opaque wharf]

Try to put a semicolon at the end of the match closing bracket (})

Unless you intent to return the result

[wary rover]

I have never seen this error before. I feel like it would be more clear if I screenshot the whole thing

the whole thing

[opaque wharf]

I forgot rust, let me check brb

[wary rover]

I feel like I need to make all match arms output println and just make randomizer a different function instead of making it an inbuilt part of catch command

[noble zodiac]

you have to match all possible cases when you use match

which you dont do

[wary rover]

I do when all arms are enabled, but when they are it complains about mismatched types

[wary rover]

So the solution is

[wary rover]

But this is a valuable piece of info for the future, thanks

[noble zodiac]

you need to do that always

its not optional

if you dont want to match all cases use an if instead of a match

[rough bloom]

because catch_function returns Fishie while println! and collection_function both return ()
the return type for all branches in a match has to be the same

[opaque wharf]

Wait, don't use match for the conditional in this case. You want the return to be different for the different function right?

[wary rover]

This I understood from compiler error and the second error that was unclear to me now makes sense thanks to tsurai

[opaque wharf]

Use if-else for this

[rough bloom]

if-else does the exact same thing though

[opaque wharf]

No

[wary rover]

What do you guys think of this solution

Would love to hear feedback on it

[opaque wharf]

if-else has no requirement that each case must have the same return type

[rough bloom]

AFAIK it does

since it's also an expression

again, same as match

[opaque wharf]

Oh shit it does yes

[noble zodiac]

it does yes. You just usually dont notice it because you terminate everything with ; unless you want to use let a = if ...

[wary rover]

So... randomizer is separate, catch function reads it's output and prints the same stuff put through println, my code is happy everything works?

[rough bloom]

as an easy fix you can replace catch_function() with { catch_function(); }

that will make that branch return () (same as the others)

[wary rover]

I need good 10 minutes to process the logic behind that

brb

[opaque wharf]

Or you could also make it an if-else to be more familiar like other language. Just make sure you don't forget the semicolon

[olive sable]

S-tier glm functions
this is everything ive ever wanted

[wary rover]

Oh shit that actually works. I understand like 40% of the reason why, but I will ponder this question later. Thanks

[opaque wharf]

Without the bracket, you are saying "the return value of the function catch_function is being used". With bracket, you basically said "do something inside this bracket. It may or may not return something". And when you end the catch_function(); with a semicolon, the return value is just discarded

[gritty dust]

[wary rover]

I used autoformatting and rust fucked up the code

[olive sable]

classic

[opaque wharf]

Rare Sam W

[olive sable]

wdym?

[hoary lion]

Rare?

[olive sable]

im always winning

[wary rover]

Ok, I might be tired and tweaking, but this should not return "argument never used" error. Values die after the curly, those two in one curly and this is like very basic scope and must work. Am I stupid?

The catch part

Where red swirly line

[hoary lion]

String type? Idk rust but that looks like java stuff

[wary rover]

Is it some weird function nesting quirk that I didn't learn yet?

I mean, I am unwrapping the output of fish randomizer

[rough bloom]

no, it's just how the println!() macro works
you never use any argument in the "You caught:" string, so it doesn't expect any to be present

[noble zodiac]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/fmt/

[wary rover]

Rust is very specific, huh

Can't assume anything

[sage crag]

programming

you can never assume anything unless you want to find out later

[olive sable]

sometimes i wonder how illegal the syntax im doing is

[nocturne olive]

How does one configure Nginx to take HTTP stuff from one port and using some Certbot certificates HTTPS it out another port?

[opaque wharf]

If the compiler doesn't complain, its not illegal lol

[olive sable]

it sure does

[opaque wharf]

Cursed maybe

[nocturne olive]

Because apparently that works better on Linux than having the software itself handle the HTTPS part

[opaque wharf]

So Request in HTTP -> NginX -> some other service?

[nocturne olive]

(trying to use the software's own HTTPS mode just throws a permission denied)

[nocturne olive]

The requesting side should be communicating HTTPS, the service side is HTTP

An external application sends a request to a port on my server to a https:// and so on address, then the Nginx thing handles giving that to the backend which is running in HTTP mode, gets the result and sends it back as a response to the request

[opaque wharf]

Do you feel confident in container technology like Docker?

[nocturne olive]

I don't use that kinda stuff

I just run jar files for most of my software

[opaque wharf]

Alright, then my best advice is just look at the example config on default nginx install. Should be at /etc/nginx/sites-available/something-something.conf

The certificate management can be done by ACME.sh

That is called reverse proxy configuration with TLS termination

[nocturne olive]

The certificates already exist on the filesystem from CertBot

I just need Nginx to add them to the outgoing side of the server

[opaque wharf]

Off the top of my head, you need to configure it's listening port and put mod_ssl on port 443, then on the listen directive you do something like proxy_pass [target service]

[opaque wharf]

It should be on the proxy_pass docs then

[nocturne olive]

The outfacing port needs to be 8727

[rough bloom]

this is the type of thing you can ask an LLM for tbh if you don't want to learn nginx configuration
it'll probably give you a working config in seconds

[nocturne olive]

I guess that may be true

I just need it to work for now anyway

[opaque wharf]

Yeah then you just change the listen directive to use 8727

[opaque wharf]

Hmm, true. Then you can ask here if there's anything amiss

[zealous cobalt]

It sounds like you probably want something like this in your default.conf file for nginx

server {
    listen 8727 ssl;
    ssl_certificate <PATH TO fullchain.pem>;
    ssl_certificate_key <PATH TO privkey.pem>;

    server_name example.com;

    location / {
        proxy_pass http://<ADDRESS YOU'RE SENDING THE REQUEST TO>:80;
        proxy_set_header Host $http_host;
        proxy_set_header X-Real-IP $remote_addr;
        proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Proto https;
        proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Host $http_host;
        proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $proxy_add_x_forwarded_for;
    }
}

This is basically exactly what I use for my reverse proxy, except I use listen 443 ssl; instead

[nocturne olive]

I'm gonna guess I can change this 80 to anything I need

[zealous cobalt]

Yeah I assumed you wanted to forward to port 80 on the server you wanted

but if not then you can change to whatever

[nocturne olive]

Also later I'm gonna need a second one of these with a different pair of ports (though outgoing is the more standard 443)

But I need to rewrite that part to allow for a HTTP running mode first so that'll be a while

[zealous cobalt]

If I understood what you wanted correctly, you can copy the same server{} block again in the default.conf file and just change the ports accordingly

[opaque wharf]

Yeah the best practice is having separate config for separate domain

[nocturne olive]

All of this is happening on the same single server

I don't have the money for more servers

[opaque wharf]

Yes and? It doesn't have anything to do with where the software is run. You can point 2 domain to the same IP just fine

[nocturne olive]

I don't have more than one domain either

[opaque wharf]

listen 8727 ssl; line tells NginX to listen on port 8727 and it must be SSL.

proxy_pass http://<ADDRESS YOU'RE SENDING THE REQUEST TO>:80; is where the magic happen. After processing the request and perform the matching from location, nginx will forward the request to the listener defined from proxy_pass

If you don't want to listen HTTPS, then remove the ssl line

so listen <PORT_NUM>

[nocturne olive]

And a config file can contain more than one of those?

[opaque wharf]

One server can contain multiple listen. It just means the port are processed the same way. One config file can contain more than one server too. It's just that usually splitting it is recommended for different service

[nocturne olive]

Noted

Will mess around with it more once I have the other component rewritten

[zealous cobalt]

yeah, but if you want accessing your server at port 8727 (https://example.com:8727) to open e.g. google.com and want port 443 (https://example.com) to forward to e.g. youtube.com those need to be in different server blocks I'm pretty sure

[nocturne olive]

Now I just need to wait a while to get a Linux client to test if the thing works

[zealous cobalt]

basically a shortened example:

server {
    listen 8727 ssl;
    listen 443 ssl;
    ...
    location /youtube {
        proxy_pass https://youtube.com:443;
        ...
    }
    location /google{
        proxy_pass https://google.com:443;
        ...
    }
}

This variant will result in you having to open https://example.com/youtube.com to access youtube (you could also use https://example.com:8727/youtube), whilst this example:

server {
    listen 8727 ssl;
    ...
    location /{
        proxy_pass https://youtube.com:443;
        ...
    }
}
server {
    listen 443 ssl;
    ...
    location /{
        proxy_pass https://google.com:443;
        ...
    }
}

Will result in you having to open https://example.com:8727 if you want to access youtube

Another tip, you might actually want to use subdomains depending on what you're trying to achieve instead of different ports

[opaque wharf]

Indeed, that is because the catch all location / will proxy_pass it to just one service

[zealous cobalt]

e.g. you could make youtube.example.com redirect to youtube and google.example.com to redirect to google

[nocturne olive]

Well, I'm just trying to get HTTPS to work

It's just day 3 of me setting up Linux

[zealous cobalt]

In that case these configs should just work for that

[wary rover]

So, I looked into it, and IF I UNDERSTOOD IT CORRECTLY fmt::Display does not support custom data types. And variants on an enum are custom data types. So I looked up how to display those. Found shit called strum and now my functions just refuse to work. I promise, it's the last time I bother you today with my shit

[noble zodiac]

holy moly

you could just have used {:?} since you derive Debug

[wary rover]

I will try to do that again

But it disabled those two functions too

The last time I did

[noble zodiac]

#[derive(Debug)]
enum Foo {
    Bar,
    Baz,
}

fn main() {
    println!("{:?}", Foo::Bar);
}

[sage crag]

npm == cargo slander was real 😭

[rough bloom]

fmt::Display does not support custom data types
it does, it just isn't automatically implemented by a derive macro
you can manually implement the trait though (or, if you really want to use strum, you can skip all the #[strum(to_string = "")] macros)

[olive sable]

car go vrrooom

[rough bloom]

it's slightly more organized and less of a mess

[sage crag]

https://crates.io/crates/is-even

[noble zodiac]

its crazy that I've never heard of or seen strum in my dependencies and yet it has 200 million downloads which is wild

[sage crag]

i have never used it

its always derive Debug and then if i need more finegrained, impl Format

[noble zodiac]

I swear its only used by ppl who dont want to actually use Rust and just want wrappers around it to make it act more like whatever they know

[rough bloom]

[rough bloom]

it can very rarely be useful, but it's just convenience (which apparently many people like, who would've guessed)
usually it's better to avoid the dependency and just implement the one trait you need manually

[sage crag]

to most people that switch to rust from other languages it's usually always "safer c++" or "super fast langauge" or "trendy language"

[noble zodiac]

the em dash of dependencies

[opaque wharf]

Why do you guys seems to be against dependency? Strum is small enough functionally no?

[noble zodiac]

npm

[rough bloom]

it's because it's so small that it's not worth depending on
you can just add the one function you need instead of adding a dependency on a whole crate

[wary rover]

Ok, to hell with strum. My task is to manually implement fmt::Display onto enum without using "use" keyword. Did I understand that correctly?

[opaque wharf]

My counter point would be why must you rewrite something over and over again? And it's not like all of the code is shipped like npm anyway no?

It is a macro, its meant to be reused

[rough bloom]

it's not like all of the code is shipped like npm anyway
it is
why must you rewrite something over and over again
because it's easy

[opaque wharf]

...did rust not perform dead code elimination?

[rough bloom]

you still have to download and compile the whole crate

[opaque wharf]

And you still have to compile the code you write with the same functionality

[rough bloom]

[opaque wharf]

Download is just adding another step

[wary rover]

Ok, enough coding failures for today, Ill go kill something in helldivers. Thanks for help everyone

[rough bloom]

using strum means:

• downloading and compiling the proc macro support crates (tbf that's likely already present)
• downloading and compiling the strum proc macros
• downloading and compiling the actual strum crate
• running those proc macros on every build, probably also confusing your LSP (and making your code more confusing because there's more behind-the-scenes magic)

using your own function means:

• compiling that function

it's bloat

if you really need all of the functionality strum has, then yeah, use it
but generally you just need to have Display for an enum like in Mushrooms example

[noble zodiac]

when you have macros you often also have quote and syn and then those have their own depencenies and so on

bonus points if your dependencies use different versions of the same crate so you have to do shit twice

[opaque wharf]

I don't know about this since I don't use rust as much, so this is a valid point then if syn and quote functionality is not "simple"

But also I wanted to ask, why does a macro dependencies in rust need those automatically?

[rough bloom]

you don't strictly need any of them
it's just that proc macros receive and emit tokens, and working with those directly tends to be difficult

[opaque wharf]

Its complicaed isn't it...

[noble zodiac]

you don't have to use syn if you want to write a parser to convert rust code into an ast yourself

[opaque wharf]

I see

[noble zodiac]

we can't all have a perfect macro system as lisp that runs on like 10 lines of code

[sour harness]

If there is a problem that you think should be common when using rust it is very likely that there is a solution that is not convoluted.

[tender river]

its always nicer when you can autogenerate some code

anyway the usual policy is, do what you want in binaries but dont pollute transitive dependencies if you're a library

[rigid snow]

on my speakers it sounds like a phone on loudspeaker across my room

[bitter coral]

It isn’t open source no, there are a bit too many issues with it at the moment and the file structure is a complete mess.

[pale current]

just finished redesigning my bots dashboard AGAIN. Svelte is fun.

[opaque wharf]

Oh, I was hoping I could use it as a base to experiment something lol. I figured that earlier in the development cycle the code would not be too complicated still

[bitter coral]

What did you want to experiment? my computer is currently without a keyboard so it’s been a bit of a pain to write. The main clutter currently comes from a bunch of buttons having their own scripts that I have poorly named so it’s a bit of a mess to navigate.

[warped narwhal]

can you not just derive from EnumStr or whatever it's called?

instead of manually giving each name manually

[opaque wharf]

I was wondering how viable it is to make multi-user editor for art application. I was asked because an artist friend of mine said that currently no solution exists that allows multiple people to edit the same art-piece. So I need to know the data structure of the underlying canvas and see if it could be implemented with CRDT

It will be hard, yes. But I am still curious

[rigid snow]

figma exists and it's for sure 100x more complex

[tender river]

you dont need a crdt if you just use multiple layers

[opaque wharf]

Does figma support brush and such? IIRC figma is vector only no?

[tender river]

if you dont use multiple layers i guess you would need a crdt for ordering but its not complicated, you dont have to do anything like operational transformations

[opaque wharf]

Hmm, true. each user has their own layer could work too

[rigid snow]

yes that's why i said it's waaaay more complex

[rare bramble]

in rust, you can very easily derive debug

[tender river]

Display is not Debug

[tender river]

you did not understand it correctly, you have to impl fmt::Display for your type

[opaque wharf]

Yeah it's why I wanted to see the underlying data type. I could just check out GIMP code, but I don't feel like trailblazing it

[rare bramble]

ik, but you get away with debug pretty often for displaying simple types

[rigid snow]

encode it with whatever lossless compression format is best for performance/bandwidth for frequent updates

[tender river]

if you have access to the underlying editor code thats very clearly not the optimal solution

[rigid snow]

or, well, just do that for sync frames, and for frequent updates just send the raw brush motion data

[tender river]

anyway all modern editors support undo/redo which is all that's needed for collaborative editing (and also consistent ordering)

[opaque wharf]

So you're saying that the host will perform the operation from the peers/client? Yeah, that could work. I didn't think of that one

[tender river]

anyway theres plenty of proprietary solutions like https://magma.com/

[tender river]

no, i'm not saying that

[opaque wharf]

Mint

[rigid snow]

i'm saying that xd

[opaque wharf]

But I do curious chay, how would you approach it?

[tender river]

theres literally no problem in the first place

if you can undo/redo, that means you can store the operation and serialize it and apply it over the wire

all that's needed beyond that is, as i said, ordering

[opaque wharf]

That's... sending the operation no?

[rigid snow]

i'm confused, at first you're not saying that, now you are

[tender river]

well, yes, it is, i'm just saying it's a feature that any modern image editor already supports

it's not saved as raw pixels

[opaque wharf]

Ahh got it

[tender river]

it's saved as a specific operation with accompanying raw input data

[rigid snow]

it's not saved as raw pixels for the purposes of history in one session

when saving to disk it almost definitely is

[opaque wharf]

But .psd file exist too

[rigid snow]

those do contain raw pixel data

[opaque wharf]

If I have to guess, simple .zip of the original image and json serialized operation is enough tho

[tender river]

anyway thats just a super simple problem of how much history you want to preserve

[rigid snow]

i'm just afraid of bandwidth implications, most tablets are 100hz polling rate

[opaque wharf]

???

[rigid snow]

or don't send them in real time ig

[opaque wharf]

What does it have to do with it?

[bitter coral]

So what you guys are saying is that I should add an undo/redo.

[opaque wharf]

I think operation data wouldn't even touch 200bytes

[tender river]

100 position+pressure pairs a second is at most 2.5kb a second

[opaque wharf]

You can take a loot at markerjs. It's open source simple editor

[rigid snow]

true idk what i was thinking

[tender river]

if we're being extremely generous and using 64 bits for pressure and each coordinate

[rigid snow]

i wasn't thinking at all

[fast pagoda]

[opaque wharf]

Okay this is nice
https://web.drawpile.net/

[fast pagoda]

meaningless

[opaque wharf]

HTML files but the content is not HTML

[fast pagoda]

[opaque wharf]

For all I know that file could contain c++ code

[opaque wharf]

Just click start

[fast pagoda]

it says <!DOCTYPE html> and everything -.-

[opaque wharf]

It works regardless

[fast pagoda]

it's html (mostly css but)

[rigid snow]

that does not matter in vscode, and not what the message says

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, now I re-read it again its even more funny lol

[fast pagoda]

i think the html lang features default ext just can't format at all

or something

i thought they all had some sort of formatting built in but maybe not

[rigid snow]

probably

[opaque wharf]

I just test it on raw HTML, it could format just fine

[fast pagoda]

i feel as though i've seen this drawpile thing before

but that might just be because it has the same interface as every other drawing application

[stark needle]

🫧🧼🪩

[rigid snow]

wait a sec

[fast pagoda]

I think it's because it's got some direct .tsx imports

[stark needle]

I hope everyone's having a nice day

[fast pagoda]

i think it can normally format but only like pure html like he was speculating

[rigid snow]

what do those imports look like

[fast pagoda]

<script type="module" src="/index.tsx">

[rigid snow]

that does not matter in the slightest

[fast pagoda]

i mean i didnt thik it was crazy

yeah

it's the only thing i can think of

is that it's like

that + css

and it just sees it and says nope

[fast pagoda]

i have to recalibrate that it's you every time you change your name

but yeah idk it's literally like a boilerplate index.html

HTML language features said "idk man"

[rigid snow]

i say do this

[fast pagoda]

i just reloaded the window

[rigid snow]

that doesn't restart the extension backend

[fast pagoda]

i figured it must've been some weirdness since this is a wsl remote but that has never caused this sort of thign before

i thought it did if it's a pure windows only vscode instance but if connected to a remote it obviously wouldn't reset the ext host

[rigid snow]

neither does this lol

[fast pagoda]

i will just go down the list of every restart/reload

eslint reload server

[rigid snow]

[fast pagoda]

language server reload

reload window

restart extension

[stark needle]

Hi

[fast pagoda]

hallo

[stark needle]

This may be the last change

[fast pagoda]

surely

[opaque wharf]

Hmmmm

[rigid snow]

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