programming

[stark needle]

It's a completely different thing

Also "skill gaps" skill issue man u need effort what did u expect

And pretty sure no one wants videogames with ai music and live performances with some ai generating everything

What i think is these companies are trying to make people as useless and reliant on ai as possible to then sell them random shit cause they don't know better

[wary rover]

I think you will like this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1400fzt0SHU

[inner pike]

https://tenor.com/bZHpF.gif

[wary rover]

Doesn't look like much based on thumbnail, but the music video is a work of art and the song itself is good af and topical too

[inner pike]

Those use cases are so stupid

[wary rover]

Imagine if use cases were AI generated

[stark needle]

They 100% are

There's no way they are not

[wary rover]

The only thing they lack is the word "delve" somewhere in the text

You guys know the thing with AI and word delve?

[stark needle]

Ye

Nigerian raters

https://huggingface.co/google/gemma-3-27b-it/discussions/48#684c6b1ac1303dc17085b652

This must be the conversation of all time

[wary rover]

Wonder if our kids will become as good at telling apart people and AI on the internet as we are now at noticing advertisements in media

Cause like 50 years ago people valued ads as a genuine deciding factor on purchasing something

And now we just dont give a crap

[stark needle]

Openai said if they added watermarks to their outputs people would use it less and therefore they won't add a watermark ever

[wary rover]

Humble watermark removing AI that can be easily integrated as a browser extention:

[stark needle]

Ai is so dumb

I know people who can't write a letter anymore

And people in school who only survive cause of ai

[wary rover]

I've heard people in US don't write in cursive which blows my mind

Like writing in printed letters font is 10 times slower

How can you keep up with a lector when taking notes

Also English cursive is so pretty and sexy looking, I sometimes just write random stuff in English on paper because it looks cool

[ruby timber]

My handwriting is so bad

Always has been

[wary rover]

Mine is only good when I write for the sake of writing. When I use it for practical reasons it's crap

[opaque sigil]

Easy solution: I don't take notes

[wary rover]

A lot of lectors here require you taking notes

Didn't write anything on "Mechanical principals" course, because I have a natural affinity towards that stuff, and just good at it. Had to write down 60 pages by hand in one night

[opaque sigil]

Bruh

Why would they care

[wary rover]

Lector is a human version of d6. If you roll 6 you are good even if you don't show up for a year. Roll 1 and "Show me notes for every lecture"

I think he is a bit afraid of me ever since that happened

It was first year and he was teaching us general rules of bleuprint making and such. I was very bad at time managing and screwed up with his course completely. Had to do a semester worth of work in 5 days. Didnt lay down for 5 days, slept only when passing at the desk or in the bus. Go to exam room, model the part I was assigned with in cad-like software, hallucinations of spiders are crawling in my peripheral vision. Go to him, he starts asking questions. I look him in the eyes, because that's what my father told me to do to build trust with people. He is more and more timid at his questions, answer them, get an A. Go out of the building and look at myself through frontal camera of the phone for no reason. My eyes are red. Not a spec of white. Just iris and blood

Imagine his pov

[velvet juniper]

Literally me on every exam
(Though, admittedly, it wasn't as bad, just 1-2 days of nonstop work usually)

[wary rover]

60 pages of text by hand as notes, 12 assignments in software and a folder of blueprints made with pencil on paper (very simple entry beginner noob blueprints, but still)

[velvet juniper]

Compulsory handwritten notes are the bane of human existence

[wary rover]

He also cuts the corner of notebook with scissors when you submit them (to avoid you giving it to your friend and allowing them to resubmit your stuff as theirs)

[velvet juniper]

Thank god for my all of my uni professors not giving a single fuck about what we do as long as we pass the exams after the freshman year

Aside from one demented old man

[wary rover]

Most of lectors at my uni dont give a fuck too, but that one is a 75yo conservative man who's soul is still in soviet union

[velvet juniper]

Funnily enough, the old man was literally a professor in the soviet union

If I remember correctly

[wary rover]

soviet education moment

[velvet juniper]

He wasn't the only one, but the others just weren't mentally ill

[wary rover]

We have an even more decrepit man, who is 83, but he is so decrepit, that all his quirks are easily negated by an ability to easily gaslight him into thinking that he forgot to write down the score he gave you on the assignment that you definitely showed him

[velvet juniper]

I wish we could do that to that one
Unfortunately he wasn't easily coerced

He was one of the reasons I didn't properly learn theory behind electronics

[wary rover]

You gotta build trust. I have a weird talent of making friends with old people, so now I am like a walking Get out of the Jail Card for people that didn't do his assignments. They ask me to come with them to convince the old man, because he only trusts me and a couple of other guys unconditionally

I also get a take out order of my choice as payment

I call in dementia farming

[velvet juniper]

That's a good one
I usually try to become cordial with professors, but with that one I just really didn't like him and couldn't bring myself to feign affection

[wary rover]

A lot of my early childhood was spent with my grandma, maybe that's why I am so good at this

[velvet juniper]

My feels really distant the last, I dunno, 10 years
Sometimes it seems like it didn't happen to me, and I just have somebody else's memories

[wary rover]

Same. Feel like I am living my third life tbh with how different my environment and inner state of mind was through out chilhood, teenage years and now

[velvet juniper]

I personally don't feel like I changed since I was, like, 16
But I also don't really have clear memories before high school, so it could be just an illusion

[wary rover]

I was blessed with a very good memory, so I remember almost everything since I was 6 with distant echoes of memories before that

A friend of my dad would come as a guest from time to time and play chess with me, and every time he would come and wipe the floor with me on a chessboard he would be like: have you ever noticed how your brain does this thing when... Then he would teach me some sort of mental technique and it would be immediately integrated into my thinking

And after that my memory have improved and I almost never forget stuff

[velvet juniper]

My friends sometimes tell me that I have a good memory, but that only started around the end of high school
But it does help, since you have to keep a lot of stuff in mind at my job sometimes

It would've been really nice if stuff was actually documented and I didn't have to hunt down info by asking a bunch of people every time
I probably should write it down, but it feels a huge bother

[wary rover]

Ah yes, the laziness paradox. You know the path of least resistance, but taking this path is not aligned with the path of least resistance

[tender river]

lub coffee

[velvet juniper]

The conflict between long term laziness and short term laziness

[unkempt citrus]

https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.08872

[wary rover]

Oh, wise elder chayleaf, may I bother you with a question?

[unkempt citrus]

https://x.com/itsalexvacca/status/1935343874421178762
Or in a more memetic way for those of use whoc an't read papers

Alex Vacca (@itsalexvacca)

BREAKING: MIT just completed the first brain scan study of ChatGPT users & the results are terrifying.

Turns out, AI isn't making us more productive. It's making us cognitively bankrupt.

Here's what 4 months of data revealed:

(hint: we've been measuring productivity all wrong)

X · Jun 18, 2025, 2:28 PM

[stark needle]

Ye i saw this paper 100000 times alr

[stark needle]

👴 chayleaf be like

[sick owl]

"ChatGPT how would you take over the world"

"AAAA GUYS IT TOLD ME HOW ITS GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD"

https://share.google/RlYy6embQC7LQcDLU

[tender river]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[opaque wharf]

See, he was praising you first

You said you've a lack of praise lately no?

[tender river]

no. worship

[opaque wharf]

Welp, you've heard the person then Mushroom

[olive sable]

the the

[opaque wharf]

I don't know what you're talking about

[olive sable]

sure

[wary rover]

Gotcha, need to get a random value from a non-number Enum. Do I use strum dependency, do I make an enum into a list later in code or do I assign a value for each member of enum and then use rng on this secondary value and print the corresponding result?

[tender river]

i'd just do this way

use rand::seq::IteratorRandom;

let options = [Enum::A, Enum::B, Enum::C];
println!("{:?}", options.choose(&mut rand::rng()).unwrap());

[wary rover]

It is a part of default rust library and doesn't use any extra dependencies? (apart from rng ofc)

[tender river]

its all part of the rand api

[wary rover]

Aah... Thank you very much

[tender river]

im not a grandma im not even 25

[olive sable]

i have figured out private vs public class objects
im guessing python has everything set as public which is bad for some reason?

[tender river]

in python typically "private" methods are prefixed with _ or __

[olive sable]

ah

[tender river]

its a hint to the programmer "dont touch this its subject to change"

[noble zodiac]

there is also protected and friend

[olive sable]

ive heard of protected, but what is friend?

[tender river]

if you declare a class as your friend, it can access your private/protected fields

[olive sable]

sound like its useful, but only in very specific cases

[tender river]

its useful when designing libraries

so you can forbid access to certain fields externally but still have access to them from within your library

[opaque wharf]

Friend is another person that you interact with Sam. Jeez, all of this programmer

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

I doubt irl friends would let you touch their protected property tho

[maiden geyser]

so that's regular friends? not even with privileges?

[opaque wharf]

Wait, friend could access private? I need to re-read c++ man

[olive sable]

as opposed to "friends with privileges"?

[olive sable]

i dont think so

[noble zodiac]

and yes, you most likely don't want to just declare everything as public. Especially when it can bypass internal logic

[olive sable]

i did

[opaque wharf]

JS be like, everything is object lol

[noble zodiac]

lowercase class name

[tender river]

theres no fields in that class so it doesnt have to be a class

use global functions instead

[olive sable]

wdym with fields?

[tender river]

if you want some kind of scoping you can use namespaces

[opaque wharf]

Variable specific to that class

[wary rover]

void
public
Is that a neuro arg reference

[opaque wharf]

And if instantiated, can have different value between each instance

[olive sable]

the arg is C# so idk

[opaque wharf]

Let's say a class looks like this

class Alpha {
  int some_number;
};

[olive sable]

i still need to add those.
the eventual goal is to have an input for the class to init a specific scene

[tender river]

you can just make it an input to the function

[opaque wharf]

When you access some_number, it will be different between instance. An instance is basically this

auto instance_a = new Alpha();
auto instance_b = new Alpha();

[olive sable]

ye thats how it worked in python too

[opaque wharf]

Chay here trying so hard to make it not OOP

[olive sable]

is oop that bad?

[opaque wharf]

No, it has its uses. But also most people tend to overuse it

And I agree, if it can be made a functional style, I'd go with that

Its easier to reason when a function doesn't have internal state

[tender river]

its not functional style lol

its procedural

[opaque wharf]

Dangit my mind is all over the place

[tender river]

its not about it being bad or good, its about the fact theres literally no point in classes when your code isnt oop

[olive sable]

fair

[tender river]

do you use inheritance, polymorphism, encapsulation, is every "object" in your code a separate self-contained heap-allocated entity? if no, thats not really oop

well, its not always heap-allocated, but the further away you go from my description the less oop it gets

[olive sable]

i am planing to use inheritance, idk what polymorphism is, idk what thwe rest means erither

heap allocated would be the meshes i guess?

[tender river]

heap allocation isnt directly connected to oop, but objects being heap allocated means they are interchangeable as they're just a pointer

anyway, oop is code design focused on self-contained objects that have public interfaces that do stuff and that have a hidden underlying implementation. This means you can freely exchange implementations, but it also means each object has to be self-contained, which can in some cases limit what you can do with them.

[olive sable]

so like this i guess?

[tender river]

this still isnt oop, this is just a wrapper around a gl texture

i mean, you could argue about it i guess, but imo it would be oop if you also had some other objects that could be used the exact same way image is used and would go to the same place but would be implemented in different ways

[olive sable]

ah

so interchaangeble objets

[tender river]

and if you dont have that, you dont even need a class

[olive sable]

why wouldnt it need a class? it has to store the texture no?

[tender river]

so, first of all, its just a single field, you can just pass it around to function inputs. (void use(GLuint texture);)

second, this has bad typesafety, so you can wrap it in a container (this still isn't OOP, you can easily do it in C)

third, whether you do texture.use() or use(texture) is entirely preference and, again, is not related to whether it's OOP, also different languages may make the one or the other approaches more ergonomic

also you should learn about constructors

and destructors too

[opaque wharf]

Oh right

I forgot about that overhead

[olive sable]

what is the bad typesafety about?
i thought i was declaring the types properly?

[tender river]

i'm not talking about your code

i'm saying that if the function use was not part of a class

it would have to take the GLuint somehow

and it's easy to make it just take it

but then you have bad type safety

since you can accidentally pass it some other uint

but if you wrap it in a new type (this concept is literally called "newtype"), this problem disappears

[olive sable]

i get that the GLuint is just a unique number, but is it not preferable to not have to pass it around manually?

[tender river]

its better to use wrapper types to protect yourself from typos

the underlying in-memory representation will be the same

you will still be passing it around obviously, just not in the form of GLuint but something like TextureHandle or however you call it

[olive sable]

so instead of attaching the texture object to the mesh i just attach the typedef Wrapper<GLuint> TextureUint; then

ok

[tender river]

wrong

[olive sable]

fuck

[tender river]

then if you have two different wrappers around GLuint, they will be the same type

but the point is to make them have different types

anyway the idea is, at some point everything is just a bunch of bytes, but that doesnt mean all data can be treated the same way, some of it is integers, some of it is pointers, some of it is texture handles, and if you just deal with raw ints you will have the equivalent of python type safety but with all of C's potential of something going wrong

[opaque wharf]

Chay, I think you are better off giving him an example

[olive sable]

i cant find this newtype thing

[opaque sigil]

using TextureHandle = GLuint;

[tender river]

oh does C++ allow creating new types like that?

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[opaque sigil]

ye

[tender river]

literally just struct TextureHandle { GLuint handle; };

[tender river]

wont it be an alias to GLuint?

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, Toast solution is better I think

[olive sable]

oh. i was googling the word newtype and couldnt find anything

[opaque wharf]

Here we go again, structural vs nominal

[opaque sigil]

wait you're right

[tender river]

[opaque wharf]

So yea, chay solution it is

[olive sable]

glGenTextures(1, &texture); does not like receivign a non GLuint

i guess ill need to cast it afterwards?

[tender river]

you can do &texture.handle

[opaque wharf]

Is texture type TextureHandle?

[olive sable]

that is the point ye

[tender river]

but also you dont really need two wrappers around a texture, sorry if i'm confusing you, image in your code was already a wrapper around GLuint

[opaque sigil]

if you're feeling extra lazy you could also add a lil

operator GLuint() const { return handle; }

to the struct (i think?)

[tender river]

wont help with pointers

[olive sable]

this works probably

[opaque sigil]

don't use pointers then

[tender river]

true!

[sage crag]

never use pointers

what are pointers good for

i cant eat them

[tender river]

pointing

probably

[opaque wharf]

What it means is to accomplish something like this

struct TextureHandle { GLuint value; };

void someFunct(TextureHandle data)
{
  glGenTextures(1, data.value);
}

So whenever you use someFunc you will not confuse GLuint for other function that needs another GLuint but not for texture

[tender river]

thats honestly a skill issue

[olive sable]

pointers are more bits than my gluint so they're actually more nutricious. im guessing tis just cuz konii is small she cant do 64bits

[tender river]

i cant believe it, after defeating speedlines i have to fight my own brethren (leaves)

life is cruel

[olive sable]

lmao

what leaves you fighting?

[tender river]

green

[olive sable]

like the pokemon game?

[tender river]

no

green

[opaque wharf]

It's me. I'm green

[olive sable]

sure

[opaque wharf]

Toast is also green

[tender river]

green

[olive sable]

is that green?

[tender river]

its light green

[maiden geyser]

telegram green

[tender river]

i wouldnt eat that

[olive sable]

i am still red-green colourblind, but that is yellow

[opaque sigil]

yeah pls don't eat me i still have a paper to submit

after that maybe

[tender river]

no sorry

[olive sable]

"that"

toast has been objectified

huh, toast is actually an object

i never connected the dots before

[opaque sigil]

what a lovely email to receive on a saturday

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

a.k.a, not your problem

[olive sable]

i mean, if you're infra is down that is kinda still your problem

[opaque sigil]

thankfully not my problem indeed

i don't need the cluster atm

[olive sable]

ah

[rough bloom]

how do you not notice that earlier
it's not like that much dirt just appears out of nowhere

there's quite a few degrees between "temperature is a bit high" and "emergency shutdown"

[opaque sigil]

i'd love to know the same

[olive sable]

didnt pay the lawnmover guy

[opaque wharf]

80 degree and the monitoring guy just said not great not terrible

[olive sable]

i do wonder, do they mean dirt from inside or outside?
cuz ive been asuming its a big hvac unit on the side or something but thats probably not how that works

[opaque sigil]

i'm not 100% sure i just know that most of the newer gpu nodes are watercooled

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

tbf they might not have noticed any issues before now because of lower outside air temperature

[opaque sigil]

i don't like going there it's loud

[rough bloom]

even with liquid cooled nodes?

[opaque sigil]

that's only the newer cluster, the old one (that is about to be torn down) is purely air cooled afaik

[rough bloom]

that is about to be torn down
silence

[opaque sigil]

i think the cpu nodes are also mostly air cooled? with some exceptions

[opaque sigil]

i can't wait for the upcoming cluster to overheat on the regular

too bad i probably won't be there to witness that

[rough bloom]

the only dc I was ever in is fully air cooled
can confirm that it's hard to have a conversation in there 📣

[tender river]

i was at yandex's presentation of their dc in finland (lol i doubt its still a thing) but never been in an actual dc

[opaque sigil]

is nice but i can't imaging working as a technician in one, that sounds awful

i just like seeing and playing with cool new hardware

they're currently in the process of ordering a ton of 5090s and some B200s for the new cluster

(thank god it's largely funded by the state )

[nocturne olive]

You want to burn down the cluster with those 5090s?

[opaque sigil]

yes

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[opaque sigil]

the things we do for speeeeeeeeeeed

[olive sable]

-# bzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ 🔥

is all caps constants still aplicable in c++?

[opaque sigil]

yeah

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

constexpr is your best friend

[olive sable]

that cant be changed by the program tho. so while useful i cant use it in this case

[opaque sigil]

wdym

[olive sable]

tbf the question was misleading, but im specifying the width and height

int WIDTH = 1920;
int HEIGHT = 1080;

these should be changable in the settings so im not makign them actual constants

[opaque sigil]

ah

yeah fair enough

[warped narwhal]

it will probably be easier for you then, to use a struct and just have a global default that can get overriden

[olive sable]

i dont see the easier part

[warped narwhal]

aka:

const struct FramebufferSettings
{
  size_t width = 640, height = 480;
} DEFAULT_FRAMEBUFFER_SETTINGS;

same way a static array is easier than manual variables

[olive sable]

i feel like this just adds unnecesairy complexity

[warped narwhal]

how are you changing the settings? is it a compile time thing?

[olive sable]

rn im not actually changing the settings, but its meant to be in a menu ingame

once i make the gui

[warped narwhal]

then it will be easier as it is less to pass to each function that uses the settings. especially if you add more settings in the future

instead of going: void do_something(int width, int height, int setting, int ...); you just do void do_something(FramebufferSettings settings = DEFAULT_FRAMEBUFFER_SETTINGS); and it will either use the default, or any value you've given it

[olive sable]

wdym pass?
its a global

[warped narwhal]

it's what?

[olive sable]

its a global

i get that you shouldnt have too many globals, but it just makes sense to use it here

[warped narwhal]

Ideally you should have 0 globals.

[olive sable]

why?

[warped narwhal]

they are a crutch that work now, but when you move on to bigger projects (or this one grows larger) you will be shooting yourself in the foot by having them

[olive sable]

i dont see how ill be shooting myself with a widht and height variable

[rare bramble]

imo globals are fine for constants or overarching settings, but that's very situation dependant

[warped narwhal]

for instance, if you split your code into multiple files, you now have to have a "globals.hpp" that just contains all the definitions, which means that they then have to be statically defined, and then you will struggle when different parts of the code need different values for those globals and you'll end up with WIDTH, WIDTH_FRAME, WIDTH_WINDOW etc

if anything, but constants into the main function, so that you at least know the path they take

[olive sable]

im just passing it to the other file window = InitGLContext(WIDTH, HEIGHT, 1);

[opaque wharf]

There are use cases for globals. I think config is one of them. You could abstract it to a singleton or something if you want, but a config being a global poses no issue

[opaque sigil]

config.h

[olive sable]

fair

but i dontt hink i should use a header file for 2 variables

mayb once the code grows

[opaque wharf]

Wait, it does pose a risk when reading on multi threaded applicatiion

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

this is a problem for future sam that uses a proper build system

[opaque sigil]

reading is w/e as long as you don't update it

[opaque wharf]

But runtime config can be changed. Unless the game doesn't let you change settings

[opaque sigil]

throw a lock at it

[olive sable]

it doesnt for now so no problem

i wont be making a settings tab for a while

[opaque sigil]

can always just refactor when the time comes

[olive sable]

we love refactoring

[opaque wharf]

Commit message: refactor. 100 files changed

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

But honestly, yeah. For game engine its okay to cobble up something that works first. Designing everything correctly from the ground up is hard

[tender river]

• screaming snake case constants and macros
• pascal case classes/structs
• camel case or snake case methods/fields (just pick one and stick with it)

[opaque wharf]

kebab if you're doing HTML

[olive sable]

kebab?

https://tenor.com/view/beef-kabob-grill-savory-delicious-gif-3400809

[opaque wharf]

this-is-like-a-skewered-word

[olive sable]

oh

[tender river]

also for constants you should use

constexpr double PI = 3.141592653589793;

this ensures they are actually constant rather than static variables that get initialized but may potentially change as the program runs

as a bonus it's guaranteed (i think) to be evaluated at compile time

[olive sable]

it is according to toast ye

but im planning to make the width and height changeable so it shouldnt be an actual constant

[maiden geyser]

you should be computing pi at compile time, not hardcoding it /s

[tender river]

if you have more than one thread, and both write to the same global, the program may crash
if you only have a single thread, not using globals is still better for testability because now you can run multiple instances of the same program for testing purposes without worrying about globals clashing with each other
finally, global access is always "hidden", you dont know which code does or doesnt need certain globals, while passing these as parameters makes it clearer what each piece of code does

[olive sable]

ah yes, to automaticall yaply the best settings we'll compute 100k didgits of pie at startup and see how long it takes

[tender river]

see also: https://gameprogrammingpatterns.com/singleton.html

[olive sable]

this is getting more complex each time

[maiden geyser]

yaply

[opaque sigil]

Singletons are just globals for people in denial

[olive sable]

[maiden geyser]

@patent walrus hello, that thing is happening again

[nocturne olive]

Scammer/bot/hacked account spotted

[olive sable]

its some type of bitcoin scam

[sage crag]

its been the same one every time

[nocturne olive]

Average idiot bait

[olive sable]

i havent seen the last times so this is new to me

[sage crag]

its not just bitcoin, its gambling bitcoin

[maiden geyser]

it's literally just casino

[patent walrus]

?

[olive sable]

did you not remove it?

[sage crag]

they got disappeared

dont worry

[maiden geyser]

someone posted a 4-image gambling thing again, seems it's deleted now

why is it mister beast again, though

[tender river]

singletons are just globals, and that page is about why globals are bad and how to avoid them

[sage crag]

synonym for giving away money

[stark needle]

Mrbeast

[maiden geyser]

i know there is a meme about mr beast depositing people's houses to gamble them away, but it's a russia-only meme

[olive sable]

so like, can i just keep the settings as globals or not?

im not using a class

[sage crag]

if you dont change them in multiple threads, using globals is usually safe

[tender river]

its the same thing no matter whether or not you're using a class

[tender river]

just because it wont crash doesnt mean its good

[sage crag]

[tender river]

basically, just read the page i sent

[opaque sigil]

It does

[olive sable]

there should only be a single function to change the window size so shouldn't be an issue i think?

[tender river]

if theres a concurrent read and write it still may crash

[olive sable]

oh

hmmm

just dont multithread the settigns menu

[opaque sigil]

atomic width/height

[tender river]

and by "may crash" i mean "it literally can do whatever the compiler makes it do because if you have a single instance of UB the compiler has the permission to run any code it wants"

[olive sable]

oei

[tender river]

anyway i won't be explaining anything because that page is self-explanatory

[noble zodiac]

actually you might want to read the GoF book

[olive sable]

okay

[noble zodiac]

whats its actual name again

[olive sable]

https://www.javier8a.com/itc/bd1/articulo.pdf

this thing no?

[tender river]

eah

[noble zodiac]

yeye

[olive sable]

lots of text

[noble zodiac]

doesnt mean that you actually have to use all those pattern. But at least gives a good overview over stuff out there

including singleton

[opaque wharf]

Game Engine is complex sam

[olive sable]

no it isnt

i would know

these c++ things are way more complex than the actual engine

[opaque wharf]

It's exactly because you use higher level language that it hides the complexity

But is python still has problems with global lock or whatever that is?

GIL?

[tender river]

gil just means everything is single threaded mhm

[olive sable]

its because im getting told of from doing certain things becuase there exists a better ting thats also way harder

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, fair. But also, later down the road when you're using global and your program crash, you may ended up the same road anyway. Just learning through different means

[olive sable]

ye this book is really long. i learn better by doing practical stuff

[wary rover]

I have a question that I'm not sure I can formulate properly. If I implement a function that gets user input and then sends it to other function that handles input by matching (Like a hub function essentially. "catch" => catch_function", "collection"=> collection_function) do I need to "clean" user input for the function that gets input? Like input.trim().to_lowercase() or something like that?

[tender river]

nobody learns well by not practicing what they learn, but reading is important to know what those who came before you learned through practice of a much larger scale than yours

[olive sable]

depends on how you implement it i think??? do you want it to be case sensitive?

[wary rover]

No

[olive sable]

then ye make it lowercase ig

[wary rover]

Like during the run of the program it will give you a window to input stuff into and as far as I understand the fact of pressing enter after typing the command makes computer see it like "catch/n" for example, and if I am matching for "catch" it won't work

So I must trim it

And preferably to_lowercase it

[olive sable]

checks out ye

[wary rover]

Based on my current understanding

So trim and clean, ok

Thanks

[olive sable]

thats just what im thinking based of what you said, im no expert

[wary rover]

Literally anyone with more then a week of coding experience is an expert for me rn

[maiden geyser]

what if i'm a programmer-theoretist

[wary rover]

You can make a theory

[olive sable]

but thats just a theory

[wary rover]

A CODING theory

[olive sable]

thanks for nothing

[wary rover]

thanks for nothing is crazy

[olive sable]

the ussual "watching" jus didnt fit

[wary rover]

Are there actually people who study coding but do not code?

[warped narwhal]

constexpr may be evaluated, consteval constinit guarentees it

[opaque wharf]

Depending on what you do with the input. In general always sanitize input from user

[tender river]

its still practice if you actually write programs and proof that they work without even using a computer, its arguably even harder

[opaque wharf]

Or more broadly, sanitize input from anything outside of your program. Even from database

[wary rover]

mhm mhm

[tender river]

i love c++

[wary rover]

I like how there are conversations that I can vaguely understand here, like "don't trully understand the underlying issue, but atleast the subject is clear". And then two people would just come in to cast spells upon each other

[opaque wharf]

Would you prefer we shitpost like the other day?

[wary rover]

I don't prefer anything, I come here to scoop some wisdom from the wise people. It's just entertaining to witness totally legit convos where people actually exchange ideas and understand each other, but i can't understand a single word apart from "a" and "the"

[warped narwhal]

Programming shitposts

[gritty dust]

Good morning

[warped narwhal]

it's 5pm

[gritty dust]

I'm tired

[olive sable]

like fr?

the more i use it the weirder it gets

its barely more tolerable than python

[warped narwhal]

oh you want some weird c++?

look into curiously recurring template patterns

[maiden geyser]

should've wrote some OOP on c instead

[gritty dust]

I love python, kinda like c++, hate java script, and yeah...

[opaque wharf]

Is 00.00 PM or AM?

[olive sable]

chayleaf doesnt like when i use classes that could be functions

[tender river]

no.

[sage crag]

void main {
}

[opaque wharf]

hblang incoming

[olive sable]

no konii, dont make main a void

[sage crag]

uintptr_t main {
}

[olive sable]

what in the fuck is that?

[gritty dust]

[warped narwhal]

template <typename T>
class Base
{
public:
    void say_hello()
    {
      std::cout << "Hello, " << T::name << "!\n" << std::flush;
    }
}

class Derived : public Base<Derived>
{
public:
    static std::string name = "World";
}

CTRP in action

[maiden geyser]

why not a void*

[sage crag]

i just ate an ice cube

[olive sable]

i cant read this

[opaque wharf]

He hasn't encountered templating yet

[warped narwhal]

semantics, a void* can only "safely" be converted between the original type and a void* (no math allowed) whereas uintptr_t allows math to be "safely" done on it,

[opaque wharf]

Templating is its own can of worms

[olive sable]

i dont fancy worms

[warped narwhal]

C++ Templates are turing complete

[opaque wharf]

Yes, its better to stay out of it when possible

[sour harness]

So is the mov instruction

[opaque wharf]

Return of the mov turing-completeness lol

[warped narwhal]

Templating also causes this ^

[olive sable]

huh

[gritty dust]

Oh Sam do you have any idea of coding stuff I can do now that my school is done after Monday?

Idk I need ideas lol

[sage crag]

you should see hblang iterator errors

lol.

[warped narwhal]

the line that causes it btw

[olive sable]

make hblang webgl compatible please

[sage crag]

[maiden geyser]

also was surprised to find out MOVfuscator

[tender river]

useless errors is not a problem if you dont write code with errors in the first place

[sage crag]

true

[olive sable]

ah yes

[gritty dust]

[tender river]

i would never

[sage crag]

dont make mistakes, dont get leg breaks

[warped narwhal]

there are quite a few iirc, like xchg and xor

[wary rover]

Meanwhile rust errors (warnings in this case)

[sour harness]

For those who don't know it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7EEoWg6Ekk

[sage crag]

is that a capital letter on your module name

[wary rover]

Yes? Is that bad?

[opaque wharf]

Ohhh someone gonna get crucified

[sage crag]

its not in the STYLE GUIDE

[tender river]

pascal case (LooksLikeThis) is basically only used in struct/enum/trait names

[wary rover]

Oh, I didnt read that

[tender river]

most stuff is written using snake_case

[opaque sigil]

dw you'll run into the compiler throwing a type into a file cause it's too long soon enough

[tender river]

it'll probably take like a year or two ngl

[sage crag]

is that why there is a bin folder in your src

[warped narwhal]

In my humble opinion:

Types: PascalCase
Constants: SCREAMING_SNAKE_CASE
everything else: snake_case

[olive sable]

i like camelcase on most things

[opaque wharf]

Fellow chaos enjoyer

[warped narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-think-that-suppose-to-go-there-jacket-payday2-gif-24399791

[sage crag]

in my humble opinion:
everything snake case

[tender river]

thats how rust does it (except traits, traits arent types, they are kinda like interfaces in other languages)

[tender river]

screaming snake case or bust

[olive sable]

snake case means i have to find the squigly line each time tho

no thats the other line

idk anymore

[warped narwhal]

like with (), it will come with practice

oh did you mean the tilde?

~

[tender river]

my nvim config

[wary rover]

Look, if I know how stuff works I will also be able to make it look good if I want. So when I am learning how stuff works I don't care if it looks good. I think that learning style first is kinda putting the tank crew in front of the armor

[warped narwhal]

lisp my beloved

[tender river]

this isnt lisp

its nix

[warped narwhal]

close enough 😉

[sage crag]

STRUCT := struct {
    .A_FIELD: uint;
}

MAIN := fn(): void {}

[rough bloom]

cursed

[warped narwhal]

is hblang functional?

[sage crag]

no no no the most important thing about programming is aesthetic and vibes

[sage crag]

hblang is broken

[wary rover]

Vibe coding?

[opaque wharf]

Higher order vibes

[olive sable]

oh

[opaque wharf]

And the thing is, I don't know if higher order vibes are satire or not

[tender river]

hblang is basically just zig with some opinionated changes

[warped narwhal]

do you guys want to see the worst 200 lines of rust code to ever exist?

[opaque wharf]

No

[tender river]

how did you get it from my pc

[sage crag]

vibes of degree 5 or higher have no formula that calculates roots

[warped narwhal]

well too bad

[tender river]

not hardcoding the token

[olive sable]

do i see ::{ there?

what

idk how i feel about that

[tender river]

multiple imports in one line

[sage crag]

its the crying operator

[warped narwhal]

it's a way rust includes multiple things on one line

[wary rover]

Looks good to me

[opaque wharf]

Ahh yes, the dimension 5 where in the group theory there is no whatever symmetry that is needed for it to be a solution for polynomial equation of degree 5

[warped narwhal]

instead of going the java route of every import being it's own line

[olive sable]

its more readable tho

[rigid snow]

? no it's not

300 lines of imports

[sage crag]

its also line usage smh

[rigid snow]

very readable

[warped narwhal]

ah yes, 500 lines of includes

[olive sable]

weve gone over this, i dont mind line usage

[opaque wharf]

Turbo Fish goes brrrr

[sour harness]

org.com.its.also.super.annoying.to.read

[sage crag]

i would rather have 300 lines of imports than glob imports

globs make me uneasy

[tender river]

glob imports are bad true

and they make lsp devs angry

[rigid snow]

fuck it, import *

[opaque wharf]

import * as Utils from './utils'

[sage crag]

good thing hblang doeant have anything that would make lsp devs angry

[tender river]

C# uses globs by default

[olive sable]

wait, thats illegal

[sour harness]

import crate::prelude::* obviously

[sage crag]

javascript, face your doom

[opaque wharf]

No, I use TS lol. At least I get to keep my sanity a bit

[sage crag]

modname.{item0, item1, item3: .{subitem0}} := @use("mod.hb")

[tender river]

nix has globs in this form:

let
   x = { a = 5; b = 6; };
in
   with x; a + b

(evaluates to 11 of course)

[sage crag]

how do i do 5 + 6 on my fingers

while using decimal

[wary rover]

Think of someone you like

[tender river]

this is not preferred anymore, nowadays this would be preferred

let
  inherit (x) a b;
in
  a + b

[rigid snow]

import type * as types from './types'
``` (does that actually work?)

[opaque wharf]

I don't know. But it should be I guess

[sage crag]

ɓ

oh i forgot to say

hblang while loops

[tender river]

you didnt

[sage crag]

damn

[tender river]

konii dementia....

[sage crag]

i forgot that i didnt forget to say

or did i

[rigid snow]

i guess it does the same thing as without the type keyword just makes them ghost values (i just made that term up idk what they're actually called)

[opaque wharf]

Can confirm it works

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

The error is from unused import

[tender river]

you need to group your fingers into multiple groups of 10 fingers, each representing a single digit

[opaque wharf]

You are importing just the type, not the "implementation". Example of type only "value" is interface

[sage crag]

wromg answer. the correct answer is each of my fingers have 10 joints meaning i can represent any number up to 10^10 on my hands

[tender river]

thats effort

i prefer just using more fingers

[olive sable]

would you consider this acceptable oop?

[sage crag]

acquire

[tender river]

sure, this would be oop

[sage crag]

acceptable oop is an oxymoron

[olive sable]

you're an oxymoron

[opaque wharf]

interface doesn't exists in JS runtime, but it exists in TS type to make sure something is adhereing to the interface defined

[wary rover]

10 jointed fingers? Have you considered playing piano?

[sage crag]

no im just a regular moron

[sage crag]

whats a piano

[olive sable]

i have no clue what an oxymoron is and im coding in c++ so im the actual moron

[wary rover]

Italian pian

[sage crag]

why?

[olive sable]

@grok play moonlight sonata

[sage crag]

do doo do doo

bwaa i had a can of sugary carbonated water and now i am

[olive sable]

i am

so true

[sage crag]

ants

[olive sable]

ants?

you are ants?

[sage crag]

i dont like carbonation

[nocturne olive]

How the game engine going?

[wary rover]

Oh, by the way, about unit must be lowercase or something

[sage crag]

enum Fishies

[tender river]

and i'm a moron sandwich

[olive sable]

im trying to make an fps counter but im not sure what im doing

[sage crag]

mod fishies;

[opaque wharf]

WTF IS UPPER CAMEL CASE?

[tender river]

this is talking about the enum

[nocturne olive]

I guess just track the frametime and calculate it from the average of the last second of frametimes

[tender river]

pascal case

[sage crag]

format on save is my true friend

[rigid snow]

but that's confusing af because "just types" refer to types, what i'm thinking of is if you have

// server.ts
export const server = new Server();

// index.ts
import { type server } from "./server";

server.start(); // err: server not defined
let s1: server; // err: server is not a type (!!!)
let s2: typeof server; // ok, no err

super confusing especially with classes, a class can be a type and a value but then it can just be a type if you import type it

[wary rover]

I was almost crucified for following syntax smh

[opaque wharf]

I've never heard it being referred as upper camel case

[olive sable]

that is how that ussualy works yes, i just need to find a way to time this shit

i would need either a global or a class variable

and chayleaf hates when i use either

[tender river]

mod fishies; // the file would be named fishies.rs
// but
enum Fishies { }
// or
struct Fishies { }
// or
trait Fishies { }
// but
fn fishies() { }
// but
const FISHIES: i32 = 0;

[opaque wharf]

Becase the variable named server have the types of instanceof Server (which is probably a Class)

[olive sable]

fuck it, it shall be a class variable

[tender river]

class variables are fine though? idk wym

[olive sable]

i might be misremembering, sometihn about my objects class

[tender river]

globals are bad, but if variables are scoped within a single object that you explicitly pass around theres 0 issues with that

[sage crag]

reciprocal of harmonic mean of frametimes from the last N seconds

[olive sable]

wut

[wary rover]

Can someone translate what does that mean and what conclusion I had to draw from this😭

[sour harness]

How to capitalise stuff

[sage crag]

add the

[rough bloom]

this except with an exponential moving average (wtf is a harmonic mean)

[rigid snow]

what i'm saying is it's still a value to typescript when it's not actually a value, i called these "ghost values", is there actually a name for them?

[tender river]

its about where to use capital letters and where to use lowercase letters

[olive sable]

the

[wary rover]

I see, ok, thanks

[sage crag]

n/sum(1/x), where n is the number of elements, and x is the set of elements

or something

i dunno

forgomt

[olive sable]

forgor

[sage crag]

im going to drink another sugary carbonated beverage

[rigid snow]

it boils down to that types are PascalCase, everything else is snake_case but consts are SNAKE_CASE_BUT_UPPERCASE

[tender river]

i drank british dr pepper once

couldnt finish it

[sage crag]

my blood pressure is rising

[opaque wharf]

Oh sorry, I am kinda overwhelmed by chat right now lol. I don't know what they're called either. Its an exported variable. And when you importing just the types from them, then I think its only logical that you are not importing the actual value because of JS/TS runtime differences can make it a different between bundle size of 500Kb and 1Mb

[sage crag]

reasonable

[olive sable]

these ifdefs are getting more cursed each time

anyways gotta go

[tender river]

i drank korean, czech, polish, american dr peppers and they were all fine

the british one was so bad for some reason

[sage crag]

it would look less cursed if you had standard indentation

[tender river]

and i know a person from the uk who liked british dr pepper but said he couldnt drink czech dr pepper uk is so cursed

[sage crag]

im from ermplanet

[rigid snow]

🌍 !!!

[sage crag]

time zone 1

[opaque wharf]

FPS. Reciprocal of (meaning 1 divided by something), mean of frametimes (meaning average of frame time)

[sage crag]

ooeeoo

[opaque wharf]

There is also this for typescript
https://github.com/sindresorhus/type-fest

[olive sable]

So just fancy words for the inverse i guess

[sage crag]

geometric mean

[opaque wharf]

Also when dealing with JSON Schema, there is this
https://github.com/ThomasAribart/json-schema-to-ts#readme

[opaque wharf]

Inverse is -1 * something usually

[sage crag]

ehhh

[opaque wharf]

I forgot what is the group operation called?

[sage crag]

i generally think of inverse in terms of functions

[opaque wharf]

as in mathematical group

[olive sable]

Im just bad at translating, i do math in my native language

[opaque wharf]

Like, the inverse of matrices A is -A

[warped narwhal]

how about doing it this way?

void loop_webgl()
{
  ...
}

void loop_native()
{
  ...
}

inline void loop()
{
#ifdef TARGET_PLATFORM_WEB
  loop_webgl();
#else
  loop_native();
#endif
}

downside is that now both are included in the object files, but any competent linker should be able to deal with that

[opaque wharf]

🌈 "polymorphism"

[sage crag]

inverse matrices are much more commonly stated as A*A^-1 = I

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that. The ^-1 is inverse operation

[warped narwhal]

polymorphism would still let you call the invalid one

[sage crag]

in hblang this would be very easy

[opaque wharf]

Should've put a quote

[sage crag]

[warped narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-missed-over-my-head-gif-26041934

[opaque wharf]

I'm sorry alright, as I stated I'm overwhelmed by chat lol

[sage crag]

bwabwabwa

$_loop := fn(): void {
  $if @target("web") {
    loop_webgl()
  } else {
    loop_native()
  }
}

loop_webgl := fn(): void {}
loop_native := fn(): void {}

[wary rover]

It just dawned on me that people were trying to crucify me because my file name started from capital letter and not enum and was snarky about it. I apologize and will accept my crucifixion whenever it is convenient for crucifiers

[tender river]

its okay it doesnt really matter that much while you're learning anyway

[olive sable]

Mushroom on the cross sounds good

😋

[wary rover]

Wrap me in aluminum foil and throw into ambers atleast

Some salt and pepper too

[olive sable]

[wary rover]

Mismatched types.
Expecting: String.
You have: String.
wtf

[ebon basin]

no this is not what it says

[warped narwhal]

what is the line throwing the error?

oh, remove the semicolon on the last line

or add return at the start of it

[desert wave]

The error messages tell you exactly what is wrong and how to fix it

[rigid snow]

implicitly returns () as its body has no tail or return expression

[minor crag]

I broke git

[opaque wharf]

For someone coming first time into programming, I don't think it explains that nicely

[wary rover]

I might be dumb

[opaque wharf]

But the error is indeed clear, just not how to resolve it

[desert wave]

consider returning the local binding input

[opaque wharf]

What is local binding will be the first thing to ask for a first timer

[wary rover]

I understood the error of my ways

[opaque wharf]

As I said, the error is clear even for first timer, not so much on how that could be resolved

[wary rover]

It would indeed be

[rigid snow]

would you want the lsp to check if the last expression returns the type the function is supposed to and to point to the semicolon

[rough bloom]

happens to be the correct type, but would be the wrong solution in this case

rustc trying to be too helpful

[opaque sigil]

Weird, it's usually pretty good about detecting the extra semicolon

[wary rover]

Ok, I really tried to be a big boy and understand everything by myself, but I fail miserably. Can you please say a semicolon in which line is extra? If the whole entirety of code is shit tell me "start anew"

[nocturne olive]

You have some issues like inconsistent indent levels
And you should add empty lines between functions

[rough bloom]

the one after input.trim().to_lowercase() is the issue
but also input_hub is nested within input_processing, please use a formatter, it would make this issue much more visible

[wary rover]

Ok, thank you very much

I am really thankful for help

[opaque wharf]

He likes sausage

[warped narwhal]

is input_hub defined within input_processing?

[wary rover]

It shouldnt but Ive been informed that I accidentally defined it within

So I am fixing it

[warped narwhal]

looks like you missed the } after trimming the input

[minor crag]

MY THINGY IS WORKING!!!!!!!

[warped narwhal]

does vscode have the equivelent of jetbrains ctrl+alt+enter?

to format the document

[nocturne olive]

[warped narwhal]

looks like it's ctrl+shift+i

[minor crag]

I'm turning da weird safetensors file into da aurora format and it is actually working

[rough bloom]

oh yeah, input_hub doesn't have a closing brace
I didn't even notice because somehow that wasn't one of the errors
I assume there is one on line 43

[olive sable]

So whats the exact diffrence? Just defining the loop outside of the #ifdef?

[hoary lion]

Wow crazy eep

[nocturne olive]

Very silly

[wary rover]

Bullseye! Exactly the issue. Thank you too!

[hoary lion]

10hr

[minor crag]

So silly it crashed

[olive sable]

[warped narwhal]

yeah basically. It just makes the ifdef block smaller, which makes it easier to read and maintain

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

Guess it's time to figure out whatever error it gave, assuming it printed an error

[warped narwhal]

(also don't do the no-ping replies with me pls, I'd like to know when someone messages me)

[minor crag]

Nope the terminal crashed

[nocturne olive]

The entire terminal instance?

[minor crag]

Yep

[nocturne olive]

Whuh

[minor crag]

I'm amazing at python

[rough bloom]

(I will forget)

[minor crag]

I think it died since I'm manually extracting tensors and la index from the file in pure python

[olive sable]

But thats scary
You're literaly a semicolon, what if you eat me?

[warped narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

[minor crag]

It died again

I'm gonna try a 3rd time

[warped narwhal]

I'm not going to eat you

-# yet

[opaque wharf]

I'm gonna ping you for unrelated replies and you'll never know it

[warped narwhal]

My bot pinged me 11100 times last night, I think 1 more will be fine

[opaque wharf]

Oh, yeah I forgot about that lol

[jolly pond]

Hello Programming chat, I was wondering if anyone has any tips on an RVC voice sounding flat

[opaque wharf]

Then I'll do no-ping reply just to annoy you

[wary rover]

ctrl+shift+i just made a screenshot. Just wanted to inform you on this humorous happenstance

[warped narwhal]

how?

[wary rover]

Radeon something something software

It took priority over vs code

[warped narwhal]

oh lmao, when I used windows I had all of those hotkeys disabled

[warped narwhal]

alt + r was really annoying in DCS

[opaque wharf]

Dang

[wary rover]

I will figure it out, it was just very funny to me

Like you expect your compiler to do something and then
screenshot saved!

[minor crag]

Turns out its being killed because it uses too much ram

[opaque wharf]

Alternatively, just add this to your workspace setting

[wary rover]

There must be a cargo command that autoformats

Will just find it and use

[minor crag]

Apparently loading 7 billion tensors into ram is too much

Or maybe its the fact I'm doing it all in pure python

[opaque wharf]

How much RAM do you have?

[minor crag]

8gb

[nocturne olive]

Loading that at FP16 requires 14GB, or 28GB at FP32

[opaque wharf]

If each tensor took 1 byte, that's 7GB at minimum

[nocturne olive]

You need to do a streaming approach

[minor crag]

I'm not that smart

[opaque wharf]

So, unless you do 4-bit per tensor, then it will require 3.5GB at minimum

To load it all onto memory at once. Streaming approach is processing the data in chunk somehow

[minor crag]

I'm trying to do it at FP32 since that's what my code wants

[opaque wharf]

So you can load the first 4MB, process it, do the next 4MB, etc.

[nocturne olive]

You need to load a set of tensors, convert them to the new format, write them to the file you're creating, then unload them and repeat

[minor crag]

That seems easy enough

I'll be back in maybe 43 hours

[nocturne olive]

If both file formats are streamable it should be

[opaque wharf]

This is the cursed part

[nocturne olive]

If they aren't you're gonna need a custom disk cache

[minor crag]

I'm gonna just add 8gb of fake ram before changing my code

[opaque wharf]

You mean using swap?

[nocturne olive]

You're gonna need more like 32GB

7 billion parameters at FP32 will take up 28GB when fully loaded into memory

[stark needle]

do not load in fp32

why would u need fp32

[opaque wharf]

D E T A I L S

[minor crag]

So it crashed

But it died at the same point so its just being killed by the os

[minor crag]

Details and I don't have enough time to change it

[nocturne olive]

Silly OS doesn't let the thing use disk-based RAM

[minor crag]

I think it just kills stuff once it uses a certain amount of ram

[olive sable]

i may or may not be installing random exe's to get a music player in the taskbar

[minor crag]

Rip

[opaque sigil]

Don't let azaka see this

[olive sable]

im sure its fine

im sure its fine

[stark needle]

???? wym details

bf16 is good enough

in 99.9% of use cases

if model is not learning ur data or optimizer or learning rate or something else sucks

[nocturne olive]

Maybe because your system doesn't have much RAM

[wary rover]

Guys, me again. Need to borrow an outcome of input_processing into input_hub. Read borrowing syntax over and over and can't understand the issue. Every time I follow compiler's suggestion on fixing it just identifies it as another mistake. Tried to specify type and almost everything that was reasonable to try. How

[opaque sigil]

call input_processing
let input = input_processing();

[opaque wharf]

Don't you want to be able to get as much precision as you wanted? Imagine all the difference between 1 and 1.0000000 you could get! (/s If you still doesn't catch my drift)

[wary rover]

Oh, I am an idiot and didnt need borrownig. Why did I even try borrowing

[olive sable]

taskbar has a console option apparently. taking a screenshot of it made file explorer crash tho

"dump memory leaks" option is not what you want to see in an os program

[opaque wharf]

Windows?

[olive sable]

yep

[opaque wharf]

Wtf

[olive sable]

classic windows

[opaque sigil]

you don't need to in this case since String can already automatically turn into the necessary &str, if it was really anything else you would have to

[opaque wharf]

That is not 3rd party apps? Where is that? I've never seen those menu before

[olive sable]

right click taskbar and press properties

im pretty sure this isnt 3rd party?

i do have a decent amount of external programs tho

[opaque wharf]

Huh, I think I never noticed there's a "properties" when right clicking the taskbar (my last windows version is 10)

[nocturne olive]

Kinda expected considering this is from the company that put a memory leak in the news taskbar popup

[olive sable]

waht?????

[nocturne olive]

Yep, there was at least once a memory leak in the news process that starts when you hover over the weather and news button on the task bar

[olive sable]

the worst part is that its off by default
so it knows there are memory leaks but does nothing about it

[nocturne olive]

I was just playing Terraria one day and then suddenly everything became slow, I go into task manager and see that the news process is using up 32GB + pagefile

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

Isn't that quite crazy?

[rough bloom]

not like it would help, it can't magically fix itself
dumping information about memory leaks would only make your system drive fill up

[olive sable]

truw

i changed "disable modern searchbar" to true and no my taskbar is gone

dont think it changed anything tho

[opaque sigil]

welp i was looking through windows settings and accidentally clicked on the beta insider channel, guess i'm changing channels for a couple months or so

[olive sable]

what is a beta insider?

liek a beta tester?

[opaque sigil]

yea, they have a couple different channels

[opaque wharf]

That was so funny wtf. "Disable modern searchbar", and MS just say "Hocus, pocus, your taskbar is now no more!"

[opaque sigil]

beta is the second most tested one

[olive sable]

it came back but the search is the same, still has the shitty weblinks

[opaque sigil]

idk if you're aware but you can turn off web search in the registry

[rough bloom]

misinformation, apparently these options are all added by ExplorerPatcher

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I mean that it was funny in the sense that, sure it disables the search, but also everything else attached to it. Its a wonderful thing that it didn't disable explorer exe somehow

[olive sable]

ye but i cant be bothered to figure out what the actual fuck microsoft has done witht hat ungodly registry

[olive sable]

interesting

[opaque wharf]

Ahhh, now that makes more sense

[olive sable]

i do have explorerpatch

[opaque sigil]

what, you don't go hunting inside the registry

[olive sable]

no

i liek hunting the setting but microsoft handicapped the settings

[opaque sigil]

there's also group policies if you're not running the home edition

[olive sable]

im running the pro version

[opaque wharf]

gpedit.msc should be available then

[olive sable]

the what?

[opaque wharf]

Group Policy Editor

GPEdit, don't know why the msc extension tho

[olive sable]

huh

didnt know that existed

[opaque sigil]

have fun

[opaque wharf]

Happy hunting

[opaque sigil]

there's a lot in there

[opaque wharf]

I am forced to buy windows because OEM

[safe path]

oi

[opaque wharf]

The French has arrived

[olive sable]

hello

[safe path]

that is piracy

[olive sable]

hey i did it legally, it was via school

[opaque wharf]

Vanor here thinking every activation server is piracy

[uneven pulsar]

if buying isnt owning then piracy is never wrong

[olive sable]

i actually didnt pirate it

[opaque wharf]

Now this is incriminating

[olive sable]

oh

ughhh

[safe path]

my bad then, but local server activation is sus

typically your school should be hosting their own activation server

it being local isn't normal

[wary rover]

Guys I cannot express my joy due to joy value exceeding joy expression limit

[opaque wharf]

It's still local no in the context of networking?

[olive sable]

they dont have an actual server, they're poor

[hoary lion]

lol

[safe path]

???

[opaque wharf]

Then...

[hoary lion]

something is not right

[uneven pulsar]

are you hacking your school servers?

[olive sable]

no

[hoary lion]

how can a nonexistent server be a server

[uneven pulsar]

JOJO REF-

[hoary lion]

by making it local

[safe path]

chat icl i think bro's school participated in piracy

[opaque wharf]

Alright sam, stop

[olive sable]

bro i didnt know

[safe path]

ya no problem

[olive sable]

the closest thing they have to a server is a ubiquity network switch

[safe path]

(real) activation servers have legit legal uses, so i did catch it slightly too early by assuming things lol

[olive sable]

nah its fine

[safe path]

but that being said, your school putting an activation server on your pc is

[uneven pulsar]

you know some schools uses backward technologies like buying cardboard computers

tbh the school doesn't know admin management

[olive sable]

half the teachers use pc's with unactivated windows so ye...

[uneven pulsar]

[uneven pulsar]

i told you

my school used to have pcs with rtx 3070s💀

[olive sable]

bro what?

[uneven pulsar]

we used to game on it

[olive sable]

based

i mean

no you should have been working

[hoary lion]

niuh

[uneven pulsar]

i mean from what i see your school really bad at using modern technology ir admin server management

[olive sable]

on one hand the principal has a curved ultrawide and is decent with tech, on the other hand their networking is in a dire state

all the teachers pc's use liek a celeron n3020

that doesnt exist so it was probably a n3050

[opaque wharf]

If they run Linux, honestly that's enough for office work

[olive sable]

nope

full windows 11

and it lags during powerpoints

moral of the story i didn't do piracy, my school did

[inner pike]

my condolences

windows 11 is ass

[olive sable]

facts

im probably changing to linux in a bit

maybe

ill keep the windows install as a dualboot just in case

[warped narwhal]

lmao that's like the polar opposite of what my old work had.

They had I7 13700T's for the computers that do nothing but display the diary of who is still to come into the restaurants

[nocturne olive]

It's pretty good once you get it set up, I just switched because of the Windows death incident

[opaque wharf]

What?

[warped narwhal]

the PC's that could really have been a raspberry pi, cost $1000 each

better yet, they used the kiosk mode of windows, so it was super locked down

although they made the major blunder of blocking command prompt, but not powershell, hence how I got it's specs

[opaque wharf]

If you don't need any specific software in windows, then I think you'll be fine in linux

[warped narwhal]

just don't use like arch or gentoo, stick with a stable beginner distro like ubuntu lts

[opaque wharf]

Like, Adobe, or MCAD or any other proprietary program

[rough bloom]

go straight for Arch, use it for 3 months until it randomly breaks, then switch to NixOS

[warped narwhal]

the only logical solution

[opaque wharf]

I always wonder wtf did people do with their arch setup that it breaks

[warped narwhal]

sudo pacman -Sy [package] will do it pretty quickly

[rough bloom]

yeah, having outdated packages is a common one

[warped narwhal]

or sudo pacman -Syuw followed by sudo pacman -S [package]

[opaque wharf]

I think running pacman -Sy is never recommended

[rough bloom]

updates aren't atomic and there's zero stability, so stuff breaks

[opaque wharf]

Or was is -Su?

[warped narwhal]

-Sy

-Su is fine (although a bit weird)

[opaque wharf]

Because I always do pacman -Syu to update, and just pacman -S [package] to install

[warped narwhal]

nah, I always use -Syu even when installing packages

[opaque wharf]

Is it because I'm on a laptop? But my NUC and server doesn't experience instability too

[warped narwhal]

PSA to arch users to run pacman -Qe every once in a while and remove the packages you no longer need

[rough bloom]

not reading the Arch Linux news is also a potential cause for failure, though actual breakage is rare

With the recent split of kwin into kwin-wayland and kwin-x11, users running the old X11 session needs to manually install plasma-x11-session, or they will not be able to login.
from yesterday

[opaque sigil]

informant my beloved

[warped narwhal]

redis being removed as well will cause some issues

[opaque wharf]

RIght, X11. I don't use it so maybe that's why

My thought process is "if valve is using it, there will be more demand for it" lol

[stark needle]

why did i name it like this

[olive sable]

since you censored it i guess its for work?

[stark needle]

no

Lmao

swear word

[olive sable]

oh lmao

[opaque sigil]

it clearly says

[olive sable]

i have seen commit messages for companies before

some are clean but some are...

[maiden sentinel]

Anyone here knows why Google Forms has a different entryID compared getting it from a JSON?

[olive sable]

i love my search not being above the windows logo

[nocturne olive]

Windows 11 icons with Windows 10 start menu looks so weird

[olive sable]

it does ye

but i need the win10 version to use toolbars

[nocturne olive]

Windows 11 really is just a downgrade

[tender river]

cargo fmt

[olive sable]

i think i might just put it left or it breaks

i got used to it being centered too

when i press search it opens the win11 search

[olive sable]

this seems to be the closest im gonna get

[warped narwhal]

no low bitrate funk music?

I'm dissapointed

[olive sable]

the low bitrate music is reserved for my project showcases

i should add elevator music for the rest lmao

this is basicly windows 10.7 now

[opaque wharf]

I love it when Sam is doing cursed shit

[olive sable]

what is this red in apo?

[nocturne olive]

Is that an audio curve?