programming

[sour harness]

Neuro certainly has some technical deficiencies that could be improved, but the watchers aren't there for technical excellence.

[livid edge]

Vedal really cornered the market for the AI VTuber. Unless you can make one that plays a game really well (without getting banned) you're prolly out of luck

(other than osu!)

[fossil flume]

Yeah but I think it would take like 5 years or something like that

[nocturne olive]

Not only that, you'd also need to do really well on building a unique personality

[fossil flume]

I think the only hard part for me is to make something unique

[nocturne olive]

Well, copying others won't get you anywhere

[fossil flume]

So Ill have to make something unique:)

[pastel nymph]

Curious thing: I think melba is pretty good, but still not very popular. Why is that?

[nocturne olive]

Preferably something that doesn't just use an average LLM and rather is something new

[fossil flume]

Yeah:) So it's really hard

[nocturne olive]

Not a lot of uniqueness, the devs kinda got burnt out and she fell behind on tech

[pastel nymph]

[fossil flume]

Well then I guess I'll have to invent myself rather than wait for new tech

[nocturne olive]

I hear SNN has some potential, maybe look into something in that direction

[fossil flume]

Thanks:)

[sage crag]

klang

[noble zodiac]

c-lang

[tight tinsel]

metal pipe clang

[tender river]

i call it cc

[opaque wharf]

Kronk

[ruby timber]

klang

[livid edge]

c-lang

[opaque wharf]

gif

[livid edge]

jif*

[opaque wharf]

Jiraffe

[stark needle]

If ur not entertaining urself, there's not much point

[fossil flume]

I will invent a new architecture for LLM lol see you in like 5 years

[ruby timber]

[stark needle]

[livid edge]

[livid edge]

screenshot this and put me in your phd

[opaque wharf]

Hope you succeed. Genuinely.

[fossil flume]

Thanks lol I wont forget this if I get a phd id thank you guys first:))

[stark needle]

I think getting a phd all for competing with vedal is overkill lmao

Even if u got a PhD

U would lack the funds anyways

[livid edge]

inb4 this guy's actually a billionaire with a private data centre

[stark needle]

Jeff Dean himself

[fossil flume]

I think competing with vedal for getting a phd is overkill lmao

[opaque wharf]

Hey, if his Phd results in something breakthrough we all benefits from it

[livid edge]

phd was making a new LLM architecture

[fossil flume]

Why lol

[olive sable]

No way its john disco

[opaque wharf]

That's just research in general. Aren't you required to publish your finding for phd?

[gritty dust]

I'm done my physics exam

[stark needle]

Ah

[opaque wharf]

So, what is the maximum energy limit in a system?

[cloud frigate]

Nice

[livid edge]

I.. hello.. sorry

[stark needle]

I mean define new llm architecture

Most llm architectures are just slight variations

[livid edge]

Don't ask me lmao

[fossil flume]

Because it works lol if it works they dont touch it

[trim ingot]

salutations

[stark needle]

And if google deepmind PhDs can't come up with a truly novel arch even with infinite budget

then 1 person is very unlikely

Unless ur an absolute mother brain

[fossil flume]

Bro lol max planck rewrote physics himself

[livid edge]

Sorry cop?

[olive sable]

What?

[stark needle]

That's 1 in 1000000 people

But sure, you do you

[livid edge]

I thought "John Disco" was a reference to my disco elysium profile picture

[olive sable]

He did some stuff in quantum physics but i wouldnt say he rewrote it.
Max planck built further on einstein and louis victor pierre raymond duc de brogglie

[fossil flume]

Idk if Im the second max planck... But Ill try

[olive sable]

It was, but i never played the game lol

[livid edge]

Ahhh, fair

nvm then

[livid edge]

Just remember to put me in the screenshot

[fossil flume]

Ofc I would😅

[opaque wharf]

I was confused for a sec since I never knew De Broglie full name

[olive sable]

Louis Victor Pierre Raymond, Duc De Broglie

https://tenor.com/view/de-brogli-gif-22137311

[stark needle]

💀

[gritty dust]

Based lol

[sour harness]

That's an old one I had taped to my screen at work for years.

[gritty dust]

Although here peoples pins can be up to 6 digits lol

[livid edge]

Fond memories of telling people that having a sticky-note of their password on their monitor defeats the purpose of both

[ruby timber]

4321 thinking they're slick

[gritty dust]

[stark needle]

"no one will ever know"

[gritty dust]

oh also hi stellaa

[ruby timber]

Hi Crafter!

[gritty dust]

[stark needle]

Ash did u migrate to green

[ruby timber]

I did

To fit the mighty pfp

Of Nene sleeping

[stark needle]

shrek

[ruby timber]

glorp

[gritty dust]

How's ya day btw stellaa

[tender river]

@real sierra see? i am strong. speedlines are no match for my power. they cower in fear when they see me

[uneven pulsar]

yo

[ruby timber]

Iffy, I feel tired and lazy, the heat's not doing me so well

Been doing a bit of rust and cpp though

How's yours?

[drifting pine]

Oops wrong chat sorry

[gritty dust]

My days been less stressful since I finished my physics exam like 20 mins ago lol, thanks for asking

[ruby timber]

Oh nice! How did it go?

[supple chasm]

[gritty dust]

I think I did well

[drifting pine]

Ignored it I’m idiot

[gritty dust]

I know I got like 2 small things wrong at least haha

[gritty dust]

Ahhh, do you have air conditioning or sm?

[ruby timber]

Sadly no, at least my home is well isolated and most of the heat stays outside
My pc isn't helping either

[gritty dust]

Haha, well that's not too good, hopefully it doesn't get too hot

[ruby timber]

It's fine, could definitely be worse

[hoary lion]

Rahh

Summer break finally

[dense cosmos]

I wanna be productive but no energy

also too late to do anything of note

[livid edge]

just write a note to yourself of what you want to do now, and do it tomorrow when you have the energy

[dense cosmos]

less something specific and just a desire to be productive

[livid edge]

Fair

[olive sable]

i still have monday and tuesday left

[livid edge]

If you want to be "productive" it must be about something tho

[dense cosmos]

I have several things I could work on atm

[livid edge]

If you just work on them a little bit at a time when you can, they'll slowly start to form

[sage crag]

update

hblang while loops

[olive sable]

[tender river]

smh language bloat

[sage crag]

real

[olive sable]

while loops are based tho

[noble zodiac]

I peek into general and instantly see a —

[tender river]

we had white loops already it's called loop if <cond> break else

[olive sable]

a pizza?

[sage crag]

its true

but did you have

while x := optional() {
  ...
}

[olive sable]

whats the diffrence?

[sage crag]

loop if y break else {
}

while !y {
}

[olive sable]

but like, does it compile to the same thing or?

[tender river]

it does

[sage crag]

yes

[olive sable]

it seems like between yesterday when uploading it to itch and now the ebgine has broken down in a spectacular fashion

idk how cuz i didnt touch it but

there are another 50 of these errors

i must have fucked sometihn up with the header files i guess?

[stone cedar]

missing semicolon after InitGLContext in glcontext.hpp?

[olive sable]

i guess so

may have forgot to put the semicolons in one of the headers

[stone cedar]

Classic c++ error message pointing to a different file than where the actual error is

I think all headers are missing semicolons

[olive sable]

oh no

im too used to python

oh i see another problem

if the return type is from a lib i need to include it in the header ye?

[tender river]

you do

[stone cedar]

For loadGLTF.hpp yes.
It needs the OpenGL headers, the tinygltf header and includes for the stl objects used.

[olive sable]

[stone cedar]

Also, every .cpp should include its .hpp as the first thing it does. This makes sure that the header is compilable on its own, as it's the first thing that is parsed and would complain about GLuint and tinygltf::* types being unknown.

[olive sable]

[stone cedar]

So the first line of loadGLTF.cpp should be #include "loadGLTF.hpp"

There are also some other reasons to do that like the one definition rule but I'd say that is not a beginner friendly topic to deep-dive on.

[opaque wharf]

You know how Sam is with convention

[olive sable]

hye

[jolly coral]

hey
What free software you recommend to fix up models for a resin printer? (inner cavities, etc)

[olive sable]

i actually did do that

[opaque wharf]

Oh, thats good then

[olive sable]

now i get this

[olive sable]

sorry i dont do 3d printing

[jolly coral]

I only asked because someone might. 😅

[olive sable]

i guess like photon workshop????

ive heard of that before but isdk if its any good

[opaque wharf]

This is me, reading it on mobile
https://content.imageresizer.com/images/memes/chinese-guy-meme-4.jpg

[olive sable]

zoom in or turn your screen

[stone cedar]

You only compile main.cpp. Add the other cpps

[jolly coral]

thank you, it looks like it may not work with mine. 😅

[opaque wharf]

I only do FDM unfortunately

But can't you use blender?

[olive sable]

they all need to be added to the makefile?

[olive sable]

blender has a slicer?

[opaque wharf]

Uhh, with how your code is structured. Technically no

[stone cedar]

There are 2 options. Quick and dirty is: just add them after main.cpp on the same command line

[opaque wharf]

No, but fixing up the model usually done before slicing

[stone cedar]

The proper one is to compile each cpp to an objectfile (iirc -o flag) and then do a separate like command to link all object files into an executable

[opaque wharf]

He #include every other .cpp file

[olive sable]

uhhhh

[stone cedar]

Not anymore if the repo is up-to-date

[olive sable]

i have this rn

[opaque wharf]

Oh, I haven't taken a look at the repo again

Nice one sam

[olive sable]

i never updated the repo

[opaque wharf]

You liar

[olive sable]

it was like that to start with

it was always .hpp?
always has been

[opaque wharf]

Wait for real?

[olive sable]

ye

i did this before uploading to github

not relaizing i brok it

[stone cedar]

Benefit of the proper solution is that when you make a change to e.g. shader.cpp you only need to recompile the shader.cpp and reuse the older object files when linking.

[opaque wharf]

And you can compile in parallel

[olive sable]

but like, how do i make the makefile realize that only one changed?

[opaque wharf]

I would strongly suggest learning build system now

[olive sable]

[stone cedar]

Or if you want to stick with make: https://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Simple-Makefile.html

[rough bloom]

for GNU Make you define them as separate targets in the Makefile
Make will look at the timestamps of your source file and the corresponding object file and, if the source file is newer, recompile as needed

[olive sable]

does a file thats only a .hpp need to be added to this?

[rough bloom]

no

[olive sable]

okay

[rough bloom]

they get included from the .cpp files

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

actually, I only considered the build targets, but I think you need to specify the headers as dependencies somehow
otherwise it won't detect when the headers change

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

#programming message
this is just specifies them explicitly, but it's ugly and seems both unreliable and unmaintainable

any GNU Make experts

[warped narwhal]

Do remember though that with make you need to either tell the compiler to generate dependency files, or you need to do a clean build after you edit any header

Or just use cmake as it handles it for you

[rough bloom]

yeah, seems like that is one way to do it

[warped narwhal]

Otherwise you could edit a header, and any cpp file that includes it will not be recompiled

[rough bloom]

pretty sure that you need to specify the command for each object file individually
Make doesn't automatically know how to compile them

[olive sable]

uhhhh

[opaque wharf]

*Meson whispers

[olive sable]

i still dont know what that is

you suck at advertising stuff

[sage crag]

another supplementary c build tool

[opaque wharf]

https://mesonbuild.com/

[tender river]

meson is the arguably least horrible C/C++ build tool

[opaque wharf]

Hey, I'm an engineering guy ok

[sage crag]

no proof for anything useful except a shell script

[opaque wharf]

But sadly not widely used enough. So I always make do with CMake

[tender river]

a makefile can take you a long way

[jolly coral]

This is where I am right now, I'll consider this to be my answer. (I was curious if there is anything better considering that it does not tell me if what I did to the model fixed it, but i guess no)
Thank you.

[rough bloom]

they're annoyingly explicit, but yeah, for now it would still be fine

[opaque wharf]

Yeah since makefile *basically* shell script

[olive sable]

where is the basic setup page?
this website is info overload

[tender river]

it works for many projects... but if you find yourself reaching for autotools you should probably use cmake or meson yeah

[minor crag]

Why does meta make it so hard to download "open source" models 😦

[rough bloom]

[opaque wharf]

But do you really need a solid print?

[tender river]

the code is open-source, the weights are proprietary

you can download them but you cant use them however you want

[olive sable]

guys i failed at step 1

[minor crag]

I can't even download them

Meta wants my personal info to download llama 2

[jolly coral]

For the unhardened resin to not get stuck inside the model? yes.
I'd prefer if it does not carve its way out later. 😅

[opaque wharf]

https://mesonbuild.com/SimpleStart.html#windows1

[olive sable]

this was supposed to be an easy fix

[opaque wharf]

Huh, I didn't know that liquid resin could get stuck inside. Won't the slicer make support anyway?

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

It isn't

[minor crag]

Idk what other models to use

[jolly coral]

Nope. it does not know what/how to fill it out.

[opaque wharf]

Got it. That must be suck. FDM slicers usually place support anywhere they can

[olive sable]

isnt the model submerged in resin anyways while printing? it will get stuck inside any holes there are no?

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that's why he wanted to make the model solid

[rough bloom]

Mistral models are mostly Apache 2.0 I think
but if you want Llama specifically there are a lot of mirror repos that serve them without the approval requirements

[opaque wharf]

Just use LM Studio honestly if all you wanted to do is check it out first

Edit: wrong person to reply, but yè

[minor crag]

Feck it I'm using deepseek

[tender river]

what

do i have a 16 exabyte directory?

[noble zodiac]

sounds totally legit

[olive sable]

E

[minor crag]

I'll send you a 16 exabyte zip bomb and we'll see /j

[stark needle]

Download from unsloth

[stark needle]

Deepseek is a very large model u likely cant run

[minor crag]

What's that?

[minor crag]

I was gonna use DeepSeek‑R1‑Distill‑Qwen‑14B then realised I can't get a pytorch bin for it

[stark needle]

https://huggingface.co/unsloth/llama-2-7b

This

Or

The instruction tuned version

[tender river]

dont use reasoning models for vtubers lol

[stark needle]

https://huggingface.co/unsloth/llama-2-7b-chat

[jolly coral]

Saved it differently, and the original reported issues are not there... I think it will break, but we'll see it tomorrow as the second test print.

[opaque wharf]

Or do, and let's see the shenanigans that will come out of it

[minor crag]

Wasn't the idea but I'll note that down

[tender river]

deepseek r1 is a reasoning model

[minor crag]

I wasn't gonna use deepseek for my neuro ripoff

[minor crag]

But I need a pytorch bin file

I feel like I'm being really dumb

[rough bloom]

nobody uses the .bin or .pth formats anymore, safetensors has been the way to go for a while now

most models that don't specify some other format are compatible with HF transformers
just don't expect it to be fast

[stark needle]

Yeah idk why youd use the meta implementation of llama

[minor crag]

And what the hell is safetensors

[rough bloom]

a safe storage format for tensors

usually used for model weights

[minor crag]

So I've gotta rewrite my code to use this new weird format?

[rough bloom]

if you have a way to use your existing code and you don't want to rewrite anything then go for it
all I can say is that LLMs have standardized on safetensors (and GGUFs if you're using llama.cpp)

[minor crag]

Can I convert safetensors to bin files?

[nocturne olive]

What are you actually trying to do?

[minor crag]

Download llama 2 as a bin file so I can then use my code to covert it to my custom format

[nocturne olive]

That seems silly

[minor crag]

Yes

[nocturne olive]

My ALT + TAB is now just completely gone
I hate this update

[minor crag]

My code uses a custom format and I've only got 89 days to get everything working

[nocturne olive]

Using the taskbar is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SLOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[ebon basin]

when you make voice to text and get : 1.0.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1'

[opaque wharf]

What is the assignment?

[minor crag]

There isn't one

September 18th is just the release date of this thingy (that's the technical term)

[nocturne olive]

Task manager is also completely gone...

[wary rover]

Rust when I didn't specify the data type for the output of a function:

[opaque wharf]

Same energy as when you completed a science calculation but forgot the unit

[nocturne olive]

The right click context menu is gone

[wary rover]

15 what? Apples? Airplanes?

[opaque wharf]

Wtf did you do?

[mighty marten]

I did a quick search and didn't see it mentioned, but Vedal and/or anyone else working on agentic gaming may find this interesting: https://github.com/lmgame-org/GamingAgent

It isn't real time like Neuro, so it may be of limited use, but it's always interesting to peruse how other people approach similar problems. If nothing else it would be interesting to see Neuro run the benchmark and see how she does. (Maybe not necessarily live, since it's not real time, it might be boring to watch on stream.)

[nocturne olive]

I didn't do anything, except updated Windows

I'm gonna have to Linux this thing

There's no way I can use this state of Windows as a high-uptime system

[opaque wharf]

don't

[nocturne olive]

Whar

Even the settings app is broken

Nothing works any more

[olive sable]

how?

[nocturne olive]

I literally don't know how a Windows update can cause this

[noble zodiac]

by delaying them so long thats how

[mighty marten]

I don't use Windows 11 cause I'm not a masochist but it really sounds like your update failed / corrupted. Sounds like a system restore to me. You did create a system restore point before updating, didn't you? 🤞

[nocturne olive]

I just updated a couple days ago and this issue appeared

[noble zodiac]

exactly

[nocturne olive]

Why would I do that? Also I use Windows 10

[noble zodiac]

after not doing so for like half a year

[nocturne olive]

Only 71 days

[opaque wharf]

To be fair, most LTS distro probably will do it just fine with just half a year

[mighty marten]

Well then it's not the update. I'm on the most recent update of Windows 10 and have none of those issues. Sounds like it messed up the install. So, why would you do that? You are learning now, I suppose.

[noble zodiac]

which windows isn't

[opaque wharf]

And this is MS, famous for its backward compatibility to the extreme

[ebon basin]

Now it works but set to the wrong language

[opaque wharf]

Fair

[tender river]

there are languages that are statically typed but still have full type inference (like ocaml or haskell), but yes, rust chose to go with the compromise of requiring type annotations for functions

[noble zodiac]

LTS or not if you don't restart a linux after updates you are just larping security

[opaque wharf]

At least there is hot patch

[tender river]

in many statically typed languages, you would have to specify every single type, even for variables

[opaque wharf]

Just enough to hold on for a bit longer

[mighty marten]

But to be less snarky, Windows often makes a sys restore point before updating or installing new software, check when your last restore point is, might save you.

[nocturne olive]

I may just have to rewrite that one server that I've been putting off rewriting and move to Linux because at least that should actually function

[wary rover]

I wonder what happens if the outcome of a function can be one of many types. Like it can be an integer or a float point... Something. Forgor the name. One with the decimal point. Must you specify all possible types or can it just... Figure it out?

[tender river]

no, its just an error

you have to use sum types if you want to use one of multiple types

(called "enums" in rust)

[olive sable]

do i need to add the headers of every single lib im using?

[tender river]

this isnt about headers

this is a linker error

[opaque wharf]

How would the caller know what the function actually returned after? If it's a primitive, then it can't. It needs to be some sort of container

[nocturne olive]

And now the taskbar is barely working any more

[olive sable]

huh

[tender river]

it means everything compiled just fine but you didnt tell the linker where these functions are (in their compiled form)

[mighty marten]

Yea, I mean... it's easier to work on when it doesn't at least. Personally I run Ubuntu 22.04 on my linux server where I do all my AI/GPU tasks, and run Windows 10 as a client machine so I can use programs thsat don't run well in Wine, like Clip Studio Paint. Then I SSH in with MobaXTerm (or NoMachine if I want a GUI). Could not recommend it more. If I didn't need some software Linux / Wine doesn't like, I'd ditch Win 10 all together but, tis what it is.

[opaque wharf]

ld error means a linker error. Ld is the linker program name

You have a compiler and linker

[tender river]

heres a minimal example to reproduce a similar error:

int thisFunctionDoesntExist();

int main() {
    return thisFunctionDoesntExist();
}

[wary rover]

I understood around 30% of this message, so I should probably get back to reading rust documentations

[olive sable]

i guess i need to put the main.o last?

that halfed the errors

[jolly coral]

With Kotlin you'd return a "Number" type for that, same for typescript.
If it is not available, you pick the type that fits every possible return value.

[rough bloom]

in this case I think it's because the g++ commands for the object files don't include the output file name, so it tries to link it when it shouldn't do that yet

[tender river]

mhm its subtyping

[opaque wharf]

Any

[jolly coral]

[tender river]

subtyping doesnt work well for systems programming imo, even in typescript it causes a bunch of issues honestly but it works well enough

[jolly coral]

Typescript has other issues to be honest.

[tender river]

well, rust does have limited subtyping in the form of trait objects and lifetimes

[nocturne olive]

Trying to open any software no longer works

[tender river]

good riddance

less software

[opaque wharf]

Taskbar = bloat

[rough bloom]

Windows debloated

didn't even require manual effort or third-party software

[nocturne olive]

I think I'm gonna have to dig out the random 4TB NVMe I have lying around and install Linux, and do the migrations from that side

This is just unusable at this point

[wary rover]

I heard you can make Linux run off of a usb drive. I don't know all the possible issues with that, but it sounds cool

[tender river]

the issue is that usb drives are slow and bad

[jolly coral]

That is the average installer.

[opaque wharf]

No issue at all honestly. Maybe slow storage but thats it

[nocturne olive]

This thing is so broken I can't even get to the shut down button

[jolly coral]

Unlike windows, you have a usable system while you install it.

[sturdy wing]

good description thanks s&box

[rough bloom]

do you have the various object files (extension .o) in the build directory?
if no then try to replace the -cpp parameter with -c
-# actually, just do that anyway, pretty sure that -cpp is just wrong here

[jolly coral]

Honestly. Give me a desktop, something that can figure what my hardware needs and a graphical package manager and that is the bare minimum for a usable and actually user friendly system.

[rigid snow]

in 15 years i have had 0 performance issues with any windows version starting with xp - even vista, 8 and 8.1 were good

[nocturne olive]

How do I shut down this thing when I can't access anything?

[jolly coral]

shut down the pc?

[nocturne olive]

Yes

[jolly coral]

I think you know the answer.

[olive sable]

that worked
onto the next error

[nocturne olive]

I can't get the shut down button, I can't get CMD for the command, I can't do anything

[opaque wharf]

There's even this
https://tails.net/

[opaque wharf]

True. Ubuntu was the closest IIRC

[nocturne olive]

I guess it's power button time

[jolly coral]

There is a "shutdown" button at the back, near the power cable. That always works.

[opaque wharf]

Then mint is second

[jolly coral]

I'm abandoning mint for good tomorrow, I got all of the hardware issues back that I did not have for the last 5 years.

[opaque wharf]

Yeah that's why its second. Garuda is third

[rigid snow]

wdym arch clearly is the most easy and user friendly distro

gentoo too

[jolly coral]

manjaro IS user friendly. Cachy looks to be the same.

[opaque wharf]

inb4 manjaro DDoS arch again

[rigid snow]

but manjaro sucks

[opaque wharf]

Scratch that, what is the fedora derivative again for desktop? That is third then garuda

[noble zodiac]

that is fedora

[jolly coral]

Fedora is linux trying to be windows and I won't ever touch it again.

It decided to silently wipe one of my drives without making it sure that I know that it will do that.

[rigid snow]

what does this even mean, i’ve never touched fedora

[opaque wharf]

Oh, yeah lol

[jolly coral]

Windows style installer to begin with, tries to think way too much for you.

[rigid snow]

striving for a good ux is a good thing actually, even if they fail

[jolly coral]

Nah same ux as any other distro.

[olive sable]

i do have .o files now, they're just not linking toghether now

[stark needle]

Why would you need a custom saving format

Since at the end it's torch tensors

Saved in the bin file

[minor crag]

I don't know why I did it

But I did

[opaque wharf]

[tender river]

dont they just use calamares

[opaque wharf]

Is that a software name?

I only know the food

[jolly coral]

It looked familiar, but it was also doing things that it did not make clear to me.

[rough bloom]

I diagnose you with: a bad case of not-invented-here syndrome

[minor crag]

Now I've gotta figure out this safetensor magic

[minor crag]

Yay

[tender river]

as opposed to: good cases of not-invented-here syndrome

[olive sable]

now i just need them to combine

[noble zodiac]

holy makefile batman

[tender river]

dont you need something like -o main.o in the g++ invocation

[stark needle]

It's pretty easy

[jolly coral]

This is what I mean when I don't mention UX for a user friendly distro. Most of the time the quality we have is "good enough" in that department.
We're really in the "hardware/software compatibility" stage with Linux, and that is why the deck matters a lot.

[rough bloom]

surprisingly no, -c is enough, you can see the generated main.o in the file explorer

[stark needle]

If u use the python library

[olive sable]

ye it just doesnt want to link them

[minor crag]

Its so simple chat gpt was able to make a conversion script for me

But safetensors refuses to install

[noble zodiac]

vibe coder alert 🔔 get the bingo card

[rough bloom]

and it's still fundamentally broken because it doesn't depend on any headers yet

[stark needle]

😭

[olive sable]

wdym? i have headers

[noble zodiac]

you could just use wildcards instead of listing every single file

[olive sable]

balatro sounding mf

[rough bloom]

you haven't declared them as dependencies yet

[stark needle]

ok i will go back to scrolling twitter again for more brainrot

[olive sable]

so i need to put every singly lib im using as a dependancy?

i thought this was doing that CFLAGS= ... -lSDL2main -lSDL2 -lSDL2_image -lSDL2_ttf -lopengl32 -lglew32 -Wall

[tender river]

wait wait dont leave i have something for you

[olive sable]

and just like that, shadow left never to be seen again

[rough bloom]

the compiler has the include paths so it knows where the headers are, yeah, but Make doesn't know that they're dependencies yet
so right now if you change a header Make won't recompile anything and stuff will break in confusing ways
(also the objects of the libraries and the headers of the libraries are very different things, but whatever)

[olive sable]

is this how we're gonna get kids to learn algebra?

[sour harness]

I don't understand the language but still get most of the important words and they make me recoil in disgust

[wary rover]

flibbity jibbity jibber jabber

[olive sable]

its romanic so southern europe

[opaque wharf]

Italian isn't it?

[olive sable]

i think italian

ye

[noble zodiac]

SRC = $(wildcard src/*.cpp)
HDR = $(wildcard src/*.h)
OBJ = $(notdir $(SRC:%.cpp=%.o))

$(OBJ): $(SRC) $(HDR)
    g++ $(CXXFLAGS) -c $(SRC)

something like that should be possible to generate the object files. Dont quote me I havnt written a makefile in some time

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

makefile:8: *** missing separator. Stop.

[tender river]

remove the spaces around =

[rough bloom]

this creates a target for each object file?
-# also it still lacks dependencies on the included headers

[noble zodiac]

but you dont have to adjust it every time you add or rename a fille

[olive sable]

the issue is with the g++ command

[noble zodiac]

well yea, you need to actually create the variable for the flags and all that jazz

or just paste it there I guess

[olive sable]

i did

[olive sable]

i think i did it

ye it works

[gritty dust]

Yay

[opaque wharf]

The audio is getting more and more nuked

Can't wait for the V1 when the audio is full static

[gritty dust]

Omg it's peakkkk Lolll

Music is 100/100

[olive sable]

the emscripten one is still broken tho

lemme fix

[gritty dust]

[tender river]

$(OUTPUT)lib/%.o: $(LIB_SRC) $(LIB_HEADERS)
    $(ECHO) "  CC      " $@
    $(QUIET) $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -fPIC -o $@ -c lib/$*.c

taken from linux makefiles

[olive sable]

uh

looks hard

[tender river]

$(OUTPUT)/%.o: %.c $(BPF_SKELS)
    $(call msg,CC,,$@)
    $(Q)$(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c $(filter %.c,$^) $(LDLIBS) -o $@

this too

[tender river]

most of it is just variables for configuration

[olive sable]

is this better than what i curently have?

[tender river]

whatever works works

i just wanted to know how linux does it

[olive sable]

ah

[rough bloom]

if anything you should consider using the $(OUTPUT)/%.o part or similar
having all the object files in your project directory sucks

[olive sable]

true

jsut gotta figure out how it fits

good enough

CXX = g++
CXXFLAGS = -O3 -Wall -Isrc -Isrc/include -Imodels/V-nexus
LDFLAGS = -Lsrc/lib -lmingw32 -lSDL2main -lSDL2 -lSDL2_image -lSDL2_ttf -lopengl32 -lglew32
OBJS = $(OUTPUT)/main.o $(OUTPUT)/shader.o $(OUTPUT)/loadGLTF.o $(OUTPUT)/glcontext.o
OUTPUT = ./output

$(OUTPUT)/a.out: $(OBJS)
    $(CXX) $(OBJS) -o $@ $(LDFLAGS)

$(OUTPUT)/main.o: src/main.cpp src/shader.hpp src/loadGLTF.hpp src/glcontext.hpp
    $(CXX) $(CXXFLAGS) -c $< -o $@

$(OUTPUT)/shader.o: src/shader.cpp src/shader.hpp
    $(CXX) $(CXXFLAGS) -c $< -o $@

$(OUTPUT)/loadGLTF.o: src/loadGLTF.cpp src/loadGLTF.hpp
    $(CXX) $(CXXFLAGS) -c $< -o $@

$(OUTPUT)/glcontext.o: src/glcontext.cpp src/glcontext.hpp
    $(CXX) $(CXXFLAGS) -c $< -o $@

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

hi shiro

[real sierra]

hi sam

[olive sable]

omg he remembered my name

[real sierra]

learned an exciting Linux trick today

[opaque sigil]

if you feel like it you can add a rule for creating $OUTPUT where you create the folder and then putting that as prerequisite for others so you don't need to manually create the folder

[real sierra]

"Esc, T" swaps the arguments on either side of the cursor

[tender river]

btw i think there are ways of adding dependencies separately so you can create a common rule and then manually add extra headers as dependencies when needed

[olive sable]

that would be cool but i dont know how

[tender river]

oh like in bash?

[real sierra]

yeah

[tender river]

that probably an emacs thing then since bash uses emacs keybindings

[real sierra]

ohhh I see

[tender river]

i configured readline to use vi keybindings though

[real sierra]

it's very useful tho

[tender river]

i just use fish anyway but its useful in programs like python that use readline too

[real sierra]

too many times I'll have an option like --threads 2 and then my stupid ass adds another argument like --threads --verbose 2 and ruins the command

so being able to instantly swap those last 2 options seems handy

[tender river]

yeah i'd just do something like <esc>dBBPA

with vi keybindings

[real sierra]

you might be overestimating my vim familiarity

I know q, x! and /

never needed anything else

[tender river]

esc -> from insert (typing) to normal (do commands) mode (puts the cursor right before 2)
dB -> delete from the cursor to one WORD to the back (so the entire --verbose including the trailing space)
B -> go one WORD back (so right before --threads)
P -> paste before the cursor (so it ends up inserting --verbose including the space right before --threads)
A -> go back to insert mode and put the cursor at the end of the line

[real sierra]

programmers will do anything but actually write their code

[tender river]

btw WORD means anything that isnt whitespace, if i just deleted a word instead of WORD i'd only remove verbose instead of --verbose

[stark needle]

hi shiro

[tender river]

i'm not a vim zealot i'm just a vscode/intellij hater

i'd switch to emacs or kakoune or whatever if necessary

[rough bloom]

is VS Code with Vim emulation okay

[tender river]

i dislike it because of microsoft not because of technical reasons

i feel like with github you can at least justify using it because using github means networking

but with vscode there's zero justification

[rigid snow]

guys did you know they killed atom? smh now i have to switch to sublime

[tender river]

they killed vim now i have to switch to ed

[rough bloom]

welcome back from your cryosleep, the year is 2025

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

?

[jolly coral]

I write my code, thank you very much.

Also, happy birthday.

[rigid snow]

i think i’m gonna make a website, are joomla and ember.js good choices? or should i use drupal instead?

[tender river]

joomla is good but imo you should install wordpress

[rigid snow]

wordpress is just hype

joomla has everything i need

[jolly coral]

Wordpress is a useful tool, but I do find it to be too much for me.

[tender river]

anyway if anyone else wants to configure readline to use vi keybindings, put this in ~/.inputrc

$include /etc/inputrc
set editing-mode vi
set show-mode-in-prompt on

[olive sable]

fixed

i love when shit just works

[opaque sigil]

CXX = g++
CXXFLAGS = -O3 -Wall -Isrc -Isrc/include -Imodels/V-nexus
LDFLAGS = -Lsrc/lib -lmingw32 -lSDL2main -lSDL2 -lSDL2_image -lSDL2_ttf -lopengl32 -lglew32
OBJS = $(OUTPUT)/main.o $(OUTPUT)/shader.o $(OUTPUT)/loadGLTF.o $(OUTPUT)/glcontext.o
OUTPUT = ./output

$(OUTPUT)/a.out: $(OBJS)
    $(CXX) $(OBJS) -o $@ $(LDFLAGS)

$(OUTPUT)/main.o: src/main.cpp src/shader.hpp src/loadGLTF.hpp src/glcontext.hpp
    $(CXX) $(CXXFLAGS) -c $< -o $@

$(OUTPUT)/shader.o: src/shader.cpp src/shader.hpp
    $(CXX) $(CXXFLAGS) -c $< -o $@

$(OUTPUT)/loadGLTF.o: src/loadGLTF.cpp src/loadGLTF.hpp
    $(CXX) $(CXXFLAGS) -c $< -o $@

$(OUTPUT)/glcontext.o: src/glcontext.cpp src/glcontext.hpp
    $(CXX) $(CXXFLAGS) -c $< -o $@

$(OUTPUT):
    mkdir -p $(OUTPUT)

this should do the trick for making sure there's a build folder btw, replace with whatever you use to create folders if they don't already exist on windows

[opaque wharf]

Not even wq?

[olive sable]

folder need to be created first apparently but besides that it works

i think

ok nevermind?

something to do with spaces vs tabs i guess

btw, what is prefered? spaces or tabs?

i dont mean makefile, i mean general programming

[rough bloom]

spaces

[olive sable]

spaces?

i thought it would be tabs

isnt the default tabs?

[rough bloom]

there are a few projects that use tabs (Linux kernel ) but generally everyone uses spaces for everything now

[rough bloom]

at least for VS Code I think it's spaces

[tender river]

yeah nobody uses tabs

[rough bloom]

tabs kinda suck because they look different for everyone

[tender river]

tabs is the default in hblang though

[olive sable]

if vscode has tabs being 4 spaces in a trenchcoat, then why is the formattign on my github fucked?

[tender river]

you might've copied the initial code from somewhere with tabs

[olive sable]

ah

[opaque wharf]

Sam, imma be honest with you, since the start of your project, the whole thing has been cursed that I lost track what may have caused which

[opaque sigil]

oh yeah i wrote this inside discord so checks out

[olive sable]

that just happens when you start a project in a language you dont know and develop a liking to doing it a certain way while people dont like that way cuz of sytandarts or whatever

[opaque wharf]

You use the desktop client? Because I can't seem to input tab on the textarea in the browser

[opaque sigil]

i do

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, and I am all here for it seeing it all unfolding

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

I hope you realize that these conventions exist because all the other ways to do things kinda suck

[olive sable]

yall just hate god syntax

i meant to type good, but sure god fits

[rigid snow]

erm ackshually it's not a textarea it's a <div contenteditable="true">

[rough bloom]

nah, it's C++, all hope is already lost in that regard
the current issue is not using a formatter and accidentally mixing tabs and spaces as a result

[opaque wharf]

Why can't people use semantic HTML

[rigid snow]

because a textarea can't do anything

[olive sable]

i do feel like the "wasting space" argument is pretty shit when most monitors can fit 100+ lines on screen at the same time

1440p fits 169 lines, im sure 4k does over 200

if you have a 480p screen then you wont be able to run my code anyways

[rough bloom]

idk what kind of monitor you have, but for me it's ~50 lines

[opaque sigil]

bruh how small is your text

mine shows 50 lines too

[olive sable]

wait i might be bad at counting

[rough bloom]

though the absolute amount of visible lines doesn't really matter when the amount of vertical space wasted is relative to the total line count

[olive sable]

no i just made a typo and did the rest of my math with the typo

i can fit 69 lines

not 169

[opaque sigil]

why is there math involved in the first place huh

[olive sable]

the 4k thing

[rigid snow]

you use contenteditable if you want to insert html into the editable area, can't do that with a <textarea>. "semantic html" does not apply here because it's a technical limitation and accessibility is easily fixed with aria- properties

[opaque sigil]

fair enough

[olive sable]

i do feel like 69 lines is more than enough

and if not i use my scroll wheel

[opaque wharf]

I see. Luckily I never have to encounter the needs to have rich-text input

[olive sable]

i did notice that people here seem to be against scroll wheels with max file sizes of 70

[rough bloom]

it's not impossible to deal with or anything, yeah
it's just wasted space regardless

[chrome arrow]

[opaque sigil]

huh

[rigid snow]

it's an actual nightmare yes

[opaque wharf]

Use vertical monitor

Mine can fit 95 LOC

[olive sable]

its not a waste to me

oh ye mlntcandy, your fork is outdated
once i gitpush this at least

[opaque wharf]

His edit is just a single regex replace

[olive sable]

why? thats not fun

thats not fun at all

i cant tell anymore if vscode does tabs or spaces by default
or does it change the default if you change the size of tabs?

[rough bloom]

you can see the current setting in the status bar at the bottom

[rigid snow]

alternatively

my horizontal screen can fit 127 loc now

[rough bloom]

if you want to know the default then I guess just create a new file and see what that says

[olive sable]

you use 2?

[rough bloom]

for Elixir, yeah

[olive sable]

is that normal?

[rough bloom]

[opaque wharf]

You don't actually code like that right?
....right?

[rigid snow]

it's a 13" laptop, that should give you an idea if i do

i mean i can read it

[opaque wharf]

Same, I used 13" laptop too, and my 2nd USB-C monitor is the vertical one

It's nice for reading the docs

[tender river]

it is in some languages

nix uses 2 spaces too

[olive sable]

huh

[tender river]

some languages value horizontal space a lot

[olive sable]

do yall put tabs on the unused spaces or do yall leave those at no indentation?

[opaque wharf]

To the point that the limit is 60-80 col

[tender river]

leave them empty

[olive sable]

just preference or?

[tender river]

most linting tools complain about there being useless space

[olive sable]

ok

[ruby timber]

Less bytes in your source files

Just makes them tidier

[tender river]

and more consistent

[opaque wharf]

I hate space with semantic meaning with a passion. *looks at python and yaml

[olive sable]

this just happened cuz i converted all the tabs to spaces with an extension and i have another extension to show white space at the end of a line

[ruby timber]

I don't think you even need an extension for that though

[rigid snow]

looks at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_(programming_language)

[olive sable]

which one?

[opaque wharf]

MY EYES

[olive sable]

the converting or the whitespace?

[ruby timber]

the converting

[opaque wharf]

You can replace with regex or manually copying the tab

[rigid snow]

i will not remove the embed, it gives important context

[opaque wharf]

TIL that it has a name
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-side_rule

[ruby timber]

the inlay hints make these lines way longer than they should what

[rough bloom]

your VS Code looks fancy
also you overshot the line width limit smh my head

[rigid snow]

it looks like vscode

wdym fancy

[ruby timber]

yeah that's really ugly
I don't even use vscode anymore

[ruby timber]

I actually wonder too

[rigid snow]

just very wide

[rough bloom]

as in, themed
also command palette on the right

[rigid snow]

that's just a wide screen

[opaque wharf]

I don't think the command palette is on the right

[ruby timber]

Oh actually that's my screenshot cropping that's a bit weird, the palette is on the middle

[rough bloom]

nvm then

it ugly

[ruby timber]

Anyways

I use zed nowadays

At this point I'm basically switching editors once every two months

[rigid snow]

zed users are real???????

[ruby timber]

"nowadays" like I've been using it for ages but it's been two weeks

[opaque wharf]

I prefer Psioniq file header

[ruby timber]

I don't exist, don't take this for proof

[ebon basin]

what is zed?

[opaque wharf]

Code Editor

[ruby timber]

the last letter of the- a code editor

[ebon basin]

genius answer xD

[opaque wharf]

I'm still waiting for lapce

[rigid snow]

uhh, what else would one answer that

[ebon basin]

Its a code editor with (milk?)

[ruby timber]

oooooh fancy

It's actually the first editor I actually spent time configuring and it was fun

[rigid snow]

catppuccin mocha

[ebon basin]

A touch of Intellij

[nocturne olive]

How does one make Firefox run on the iGPU? I don't want it wasting 3GB of VRAM that would be better used for training

[ruby timber]

i like it

[rigid snow]

i do too

[ruby timber]

Right- I'm so used to the color scheme I didn't even notice it

It's so good

[nocturne olive]

On Linux Mint that is, I just gave up on Windows because it became entirely hopeless

[opaque wharf]

Can you change github theme to use catpuccin? Because I use the github theme on my editor just to make it easier for me

[dire turret]

What was your motivation to get into coding

To be a binary wizard

[ruby timber]

Pretty sure those are just different themes

You could try creating your own theme based on both of these

[olive sable]

i have done le gitpush

lets hope this repo will be less shit than the pytohn one

[rigid snow]

that would probably look quite bad

[opaque wharf]

I mean changing github the website to use catpuccin

[rigid snow]

unless you're picking colors yourself being inspired by both, not literally taking colors from the theme

[ruby timber]

Oh that's very possible yeah

[opaque wharf]

John Py tohn

[ebon basin]

Who said an LLM can't create an LLM

[ruby timber]

There's extensions to change css of websites, I just have no idea how to use one, never tried it

[olive sable]

i did a typo

[ruby timber]

https://github.com/catppuccin/userstyles/tree/main/styles/github

Uses the Stylus extension

[opaque wharf]

Oh, nice

[fading olive]

It was super easy for me on windows, for linux I just disable HW acceleration in the browser settings.

[opaque wharf]

So now I can ditch github theme

[nocturne olive]

I'm pretty sure my integrated graphics should be able to hardware accelerate

[amber fractal]

I read pytorch and I agree

[wary rover]

Question: to make the program work with JSON files I need serde dependency. I found serde and serde_json. Do I need one of those? Do I need both?

[fading olive]

Ya, but it's a pain in the ass and what is the benefit?

[opaque wharf]

I'm pretty sure there's a device use flag somewhere on the browser

[nocturne olive]

Saving VRAM while keeping acceptable performance?

[ruby timber]

okay this is cute (flashbang warning)

[opaque wharf]

Try looking for it on the library of babel (Arch Wiki)

[olive sable]

you doxxed your school mate

[ruby timber]

it's not exactly private information

[fading olive]

Ok, maybe you are doing some crazy shit in your browser that required gpu accel. Mine runs fine without it

[rough bloom]

you need both
if you look at the serde_json docs you can see that you use both crates

[nocturne olive]

I run pxls and YouTube, those two things can really take some performance

[opaque wharf]

Try reading these
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Hybrid_graphics
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Hardware_video_acceleration

[wary rover]

Spent all day reading rust syntax rules, watching youtube videos and such. Sit down to code. Head empty, 0 idea what to do. 👍 .

[dire turret]

Are you also just starting out?

[wary rover]

Yep

[dire turret]

Do you have a language in mind

[wary rover]

Several, all of them human

[dire turret]

I dont, i got arch linux on my ol laptop, felt cool and now im very slowly learning python and C++

[fading olive]

I dunno about pxls, but youtube has basically no impact on my CPU.

[wary rover]

Serious answer: I started with rust

[dire turret]

Ive only heard about rust in the cpp server my friend invited me to

[opaque sigil]

Bold move

[dire turret]

The little crab

I love this though

[fading olive]

I think this is what you need to use, but I never botherd to try setting it up: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA_Optimus

[rough bloom]

ah yes, the C++ mascot, very cute

[wary rover]

Difficult tasks and overcoming them RRAAAGH

[dire turret]

[wary rover]

K, bye, thanks for help. Will go reread an article on enums for the 5th time

[dire turret]

I should hop back on the train too

Bed is too comfy though

[tender river]

you should start from the basics

no need to do full projects for now

[wary rover]

I mean, that's what I was reading and watching all day

I will just implement them now. In the perfect world I should blitz through my idea. But we are not in a perfect world

[tender river]

if you are using any kind of external dependencies thats already not really the basics

[wary rover]

I mean, serde and randomizer

That's all

[tender river]

serde is a complicated piece of software

[wary rover]

And I am a complicated piece of human

[wary rover]

Oh god, I can't iterate enums, I will have to convert it into a list somehow. Oh the misery

Oh, thats why you need impl. Cool

[quick flame]

the other day I had the same issue

dont recall how I solved it now...... but haven had to convert anything

[wary rover]

I can feel my grey matter expanding inside of my cranium

[sour harness]

Why do you want to iterate over the enum? That's usually not something you need to do.

[wary rover]

Using my purely theoretical knowledge from 2,5 articles I read and 3 youtube videos I watched I can deduce that we need to borrow names of fish from enum and turn it into integer through impl

[quick flame]

exactly, I was like at the end doing <enum>.<value>.name something like that

and didnt had to do iteration

[sour harness]

Normally you use enums directly and don't need to convert them to some number. What are you trying to do?

[stark needle]

male github profile

[wary rover]

Well, I have a list of fish you can fish. It will be a hashmap later, so enum is for that, because... I think its the proper way? Hashmap will then go to long term memory in json file that will be my collection of fish. BUUUT we need to pull random fish on catch command, thats why we need to iterate it for rng

God I am so fucking smart

[sour harness]

If you want to store the number of fish you caught for each type then a hashmap from your fish type enum to a u32 will do

[wary rover]

YES, EXACTLY

[stark needle]

nyoom

[wary rover]

I'm so in the zone right now that I can almost hear [Ultimate Mr. Robot Original TV-Series Score Music Mix for Hacking, Coding & Programming] playing on the background as I type

[sour harness]

you probably don't need to convert your fish enum to an integer though

[wary rover]

I am listening very carefully

My undivided attention is on your proposition

[sour harness]

I assume you want to used your RNG to pick a new random fish type, right?

[wary rover]

Yes, catch command gives you one random fish

[sour harness]

So you could for example impl a get_random_fish() function on your enum

which would return a FishEnum

[wary rover]

but how random if fish not number

[sour harness]

there's two ways

(Warning, rust-y pseudocode)

[wary rover]

That's 95% of what I usually do

[sour harness]

impl FishEnum {
  fn get_random() -> Self {
    let random: f32 = rng.random_range(0.0, 1.0);
    if random < 0.2 {
      return Self::FishA;
    }
    else if random < 0.5 {
      return Self::FishB
    }
    Self::FishC
  }
}

[wary rover]

More new concepts

[sour harness]

So you have this method get_random on your FishEnum that will return a fish value

like

let new_fish: FishEnum = FishEnum::get_random();```

Instead of the if/else construct you can also match on random and give ranges as the matching arms, but that might be a bit much for the moment

[wary rover]

I kinda wanted to avoid new_fish thing and just return one random fish value from fish enum, and the fact of its returning will be recorded in a borrowed hashmap and alter JSON file, but if this method allows me to skip list creation step it's worth it probably. It's not like I can assess what is optimal with my level of knowledge, I just have a vision and try to implement it, so not a critisism, just saying that it's not the way i imagined it

[wary rover]

Yeah, match was planned

[opaque wharf]

This article makes me wanna commit a crime

https://medium.com/@sebastiancarlos/higher-order-vibes-are-killing-the-vibe-coding-industry-2d6107ad2c06

[wary rover]

Damn, the more I think about this the more smart of a choice it seems

[sour harness]

Enums are a very important construct in rust because of static typing. If you shuffle en enum around it will always be explicit what type it is so the language will avoid errors that can happen if you mismatch types (like can happen in C or Python). For example you cannot pass a string into a function where a FishEnum is required. the compiler will not let you.
If you have some way of turning your enum into another type (like an integer) then you are giving up that guarantee, so it's not a very idiomatic way of writing rust.

When you are starting to use more external dependencies you will find that most of them define their own types and enums exactly for this reason. The interfaces become very explicit, making it harder for the user to use them incorrectly.

There is a good youtube video on this, let me find it real quick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-0-bbc80JM

[wary rover]

Im a low-level vibes enjoyer (thinking about what I want to to make and then thinking how to do that)

[wary rover]

I need to learn what self does for that tho. Didn't mean to implement it, so kinda put it aside for now, but change of plans has occured

[sour harness]

The Self type inside an impl is a substitute for the type you are impl'ing on

So in this case Self would be equivalent to FishEnum

[wary rover]

Oh, that seems easy to grasp

[sour harness]

This is useful if you rename the enum later. You don't have to replace every instance of it in its impl stuff

[wary rover]

Intelligent

Why isn't there a keyword like EnumVariant:Enum_name or something like that? That would refer to a variant of a chosen enum so you could do stuff with it later

[lapis wraith]

Okey... i looked at rust hash map and i got an idea... what are you trying to do... the thing is... for me, that sounds like you want this:

"HashMap<FishkeyName, number of fish>"
If you want just this, seems that you can get all the values in a vector using this:
some_hash_map = score_table.values().cloned().collect();

If you want to then say, save more stuff about those fish, then you would probably want something like this:
"HashMap<FishkeyName, some_class_about_your_fish>"
that class could store anything like, the name of the fish, fish color, or whatever.

[sour harness]

There is also the lowercase "self" which is used in function signatures like this

impl FishEnum {
 fn to_string(&self) -> String {
   match self {
     Self::FishA => String::new("I am FishA"),
     Self::FishB => String::new("I am FishB")
   }
  }
}```
Here, `&self` is a reference to the object that a method is being called on:
```rs
let fish = FishEnum::FishA;
println!(fish.to_string()); // <- Will print "I am Fish A"```

[lapis wraith]

I have no idea of rust, sorry, i can only help by intuition

[sour harness]

Note that fish.to_string() does not have a parameter, but the function definition does.

[wary rover]

Oh god... Thank you for your effort, I will copy that for later, but rn I cant understand this at all. Will learn some stuff and return to that

[lapis wraith]

It's okey. Take your time

[wary rover]

Oh, while we are here: method and keyword. I still don't really feel the difference

[sour harness]

Keywords are things like if, let, return and so on

A method is a function that is implemented on a struct or enum, so the get_random() or to_string() examples from above

[wary rover]

Ok... But what is .read_line then?

[sour harness]

That's a method

Well, .read_line() is a method call on the respective object

[wary rover]

But it can be implemented without structs or enums

[sour harness]

No.

If you have a ".", then you have some object before it

like in fish.to_string()

[wary rover]

Ok, got it

Thanks

Read about this at least 10 times and even asked AI to explain, but still didn't get it until now

[sour harness]

There are also static methods (don't know if they are called that in rust, maybe they are called type methods?), like the FishEnum::get_random(). That's a method implemented on the type directly and does not require an object. fish::get_random() probably doesn't even compile.

[wary rover]

My brain tells me that it will probably work with a proper set up before it, but I can't explain this intuitive conclusion and cannot elaborate on it in any way

[rare bridge]

okay i may be stupid

so i set up a sftp remote in rclone

and it did mounting perfectly fine

but the second i tried to do a clone or sync it decided that it, in fact, could not see any file on my machine

so i set up an actual sftp server thinking that was the problem

now it doesn't think anything exists

[nocturne olive]

It appears my Linux Mint GPU switcher thing isn't letting me run stuff on the iGPU for some reason, even when set to Intel only mode
Does anyone have any idea how to make it actually work so I can save some valueable VRAM?

[rare bridge]

local fs to local fs works fine

but trying to do anything against the sftp remote other than retreiving files FROM it fails

or more accurately, doesn't bother

[nocturne olive]

Very important for optimal NeuroSynth training

[rare bridge]

this does not seem right

[amber fractal]

If the setting persists across reboots then try that. Otherwise restart apps as needed to get them on the iGPU. That's all of the advice I got.

[nocturne olive]

It doesn't let me get anything running on the iGPU, I've tried to get especially Firefox on there for hours now

[amber fractal]

My setups normally deal with it well, but that isn't everyone's.

Does your DE happen to be on dedicated?

Only thing I can think of is that it is keeping the option from that.

[nocturne olive]

Well, there is that one Nvidia optimus thing that's meant for swapping GPUs but even setting it to only Intel mode doesn't make Firefox run on Intel

[amber fractal]

Yep I'm aware of that, but you didn't answer my question

Is XFCE running under dedicated graphics

[nocturne olive]

XFCE? I'm on Cinnamon

[amber fractal]

I forgot what mint uses, my bad

Same question tho

[nocturne olive]

It does appear to be running on dedicated, but I have no clue how to decide where it goes

[amber fractal]

I'd fix that first tbh

[tender river]

sorry i have no idea how the linux mint switcher works, but i assume you have an nvidia gpu?

[amber fractal]

Yep

[cobalt sigil]

https://youtu.be/5O5U7hE65W0?si=ej_mxw7jGfycqCrN

[nocturne olive]

Well, I have no clue how to switch where the DE is

No matter what mode I use, only Intel, on-demand or Nvidia only, it always has the same stuff on the dGPU

[tender river]

also are you using wayland or x11? idk whether cinnamon has been updated with wayland support already

[lapis wraith]

Of course. Convince your parents that is a good idea to get an overprice non upgradable machine

[nocturne olive]

X11, because Neurolings

[amber fractal]

That's less of a headache at least

[queen ginkgo]

Apple is so shameless lmao

[tender river]

https://superuser.com/questions/1590416/how-to-get-x-to-ignore-my-primary-gpu

@nocturne olive something like this

[amber fractal]

Nvidia card
X11
DE stuck on dGPU
switcher not doing anything

[cobalt sigil]

wise words from apple: Ram is gold (well in pricing

[tender river]

note that files in /usr/share can be overwritten by updates and you should ideally edit stuff in /etc instead

how? your guess is as good as mine, good luck

[lapis wraith]

Gold is less expensive than their ram upgrades. It's ridiculous! You can pay two machines for the cost of more ram

[amber fractal]

Managing GPUs is probably the closest thing to black magic that exists

[cobalt sigil]

true

now time to let idk asus or something like that to make a same video about why ppl should get a notebook

[amber fractal]

I've tried everything to get steam-vr to run on dGPU after a system upgrade. None of them have worked

[cobalt sigil]

actually guys

do you like ios/ipad os 19

uh i mean 26

[amber fractal]

I Avoid IOS like the plauge

[cobalt sigil]

liquid glass isnt as good as I thought

personally not a big fan, and idk for those who uses old A13 chip, their ipad might explode after updating lol

[sage crag]

b

[nocturne olive]

Well, I certainly don't see a config file for the Intel GPU to set as primary

[tender river]

good luck

[nocturne olive]

This stuff is messed up, I just want my iGPU to take this really VRAM heavy app

It shouldn't take hours to make that happen on a fairly standard Intel + Nvidia setup

[tender river]

there is some way, but you'll have to read forums or wikis to figure out how

[pseudo aurora]

its not that bad

i only use a macbook for macos tho lmfao

[tender river]

if you use amd it uses integrated graphics by default (on my machine at least)

i have to explicitly run apps with DRI_PRIME=1 if i want to run them off the dgpu (unless the app explicitly requests to run on the dgpu)

[nocturne olive]

Mint should allow me to set what GPU to use for each app but it's being really annoying and not putting anything on the iGPU

[amber fractal]

Welcome to linux

[tender river]

the curse of "user-friendly" distros is that they dont really teach you troubleshooting

[nocturne olive]

It doesn't help every result is the opposite of what I want

[amber fractal]

Intel + nv also does it right, at least on my system

[tender river]

try this

[amber fractal]

isee

[nocturne olive]

That doesn't appear anywhere in the Nvidia settings

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248305408687210618/1321323267126071316/have_a_problem_blame_vadul_eliv1.gif

anyway, wayland may or may not fix it, switching to open-source nvidia drivers (if you are using proprietary ones) or back may fix it, or possibly even a newer kernel

[amber fractal]

Seconded, I didn't troubleshoot until I landed on NixOS (popos! mainly, some fedora before then)

[tender river]

you can also try prime-select

[pseudo aurora]

oops

wrong server

[tender river]

honestly i'd recommend arch over nixos for newer people, nixos adds a whole new challenge to learning linux

[amber fractal]

I personally don't mind the challenge, but definitely not a recommendation ever

[tender river]

vulns were found in chromium https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2025/06/stable-channel-update-for-desktop_17.html

[pseudo aurora]

https://www.cve.org/CVERecord?id=CVE-2025-6019

there was also this a few days ago

🙏

[nocturne olive]

Well, funny thing, now it's running on Intel and only Intel, the dedicated GPU isn't even outputting

[tender river]

progress

[nocturne olive]

That was achieved by adding this in an XOrg config file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d

File 10-intel.conf

[warped narwhal]

Well at least I can confirm that my bot works

The side effect of my phone blowing up will be inconsequential

[tender river]

[amber fractal]

Get pinged run /fuck_off to stop these messages

[stark needle]

@grok is this true

[frigid coral]

My colleague found this museum piece that was thrown out. Asked if there's a way to reformat and put on an old OSX.

2002 iMac G4

I don't think these things had the ability to install from USB back then.

[nocturne olive]

How do I make NTFS drives writeable?

I need access to my other big drives

[opaque sigil]

https://docs.kernel.org/filesystems/ntfs3.html looks like this one does read/write

idk if the kernel mint comes with supports this though (looks like it does as a module)

[nocturne olive]

Apparently I just had to boot and properly shut down Windows

[opaque sigil]

oh yeah that'll do it too i guess

[nocturne olive]

I'm gonna configure the Neuro stream capturer and go to sleep
I'm gonna have to install Streamlink is something I just realized

I guess I'll have to recompile the capturer because of a change in Streamlink

[nocturne olive]

Well, that took a while, but I think I did it
Time for me to sleep I think
Tomorrow I'll have a ton more stuff to solve, like how to autorun this stuff

[amber fractal]

Saw that going for $300USD back in a vintage tech shop

[ruby timber]

Of course of course

[stark needle]

Good morning

Actually, bad morning I'm sick af

[amber fractal]

NOOOOO! I hope you get better

[ruby timber]

Nooooo :(((

[tight tinsel]

hope you get better soon shadow

[stark needle]

Chat i cant believe

My sister's teacher

Tells to use the same password for all like 26 students

And the password is like 6 characters long of only letters and numbers

💀💀💀💀IT infrastructure on a new level

[midnight sigil]

I accidentally left 1 extra screw in my pc case while adding two storage drives, now I spent 30mins and still couldn't find it

I mean I can just leave it there, but I'm more afraid of it shorting things out

buh

I'm crashing out

[tight tinsel]

entire primary and secondary school has the same password for every student account

you can change it but no one really does

[amber fractal]

mfw the password is a student ID

[ruby timber]

my feeling when my school password is 32 characters long and everyone loses their mind when I type it in front of them (I need 3 tries every time)

[midnight sigil]

whatever Imma just leave it inside

fuck it

fuck that screw

[ruby timber]

i suppose you already tried shaking the pc around to see if you can hear it?

[olive sable]

goodmorning

[olive sable]

gpu decoding

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

i would try to find it ye. maybe just turn your pc upsidedown

[olive sable]

my school password may or may not have been an elaborate smiley face for the last 6 years

[midnight sigil]

well they are small af but I stole it from an 10+ years old pc

[opaque wharf]

I have 3×26 char (3 different 26 char password) I need 3 tries because I forgot which password I use for which account

The trick is I compose it from the simpler password, so the 3 password is technically just a permutation

[midnight sigil]

300gb + 120gb < 512gb, while I have an 8tb hdd, I guess I'll never use those 2 drives

[olive sable]

guys

500

also one for 550

there's aslo a wholesale of 90 broken 4090's for 150

no chip no memory

the real ones are 1.2-1.5k

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

There's the scam

[olive sable]

no thats the 90 4090's

they're pretty clear about them being non-functional

for 150 its not bad

[opaque wharf]

Oh

[olive sable]

you just need the ram and chips

[opaque wharf]

I don't read the first part

[olive sable]

i wonder where you would get a die from tho

maybe a working chip on a broken mobo?

[opaque wharf]

Either China or Russia. Both of those countries are notorious on hardware mod

Like, literally using server cpu and designing a desktop motherboard

Which is not bad since it is a functional hardware not go to waste

[olive sable]

the 3090 is pickup only so they'l show it works in their house i guess

so not too suspicious

[warped narwhal]

so I left my bot running overnight

[ruby timber]

fuck_off command is crazy

[warped narwhal]

the bot uses probably the worse 200 lines of code anyone here has ever seen, but it was written in 15 mins so it was to be expected

[tight tinsel]

fuck off command is genius

[opaque wharf]

Because you introduce me to github theme catppuccin, I've now back to ricing my setup lol

[ruby timber]

Lmao yeah it does that to you

I installed the thing and I didn't realize it would install the theme on like 130 websites

I'm not complaining though

[opaque wharf]

Now my KDE Plasma 6 is catppuccin, my firefox is catppuccin, my GTK is catppuccin. Imma catppuccin everything

[dim dune]

i need to switch to nixos NOW

uuu how to integrate chaotic v4 into my flake

[midnight sigil]

🥭

[stark needle]

Fr no1 cares about amazon and Netflix anymore much

[wary rover]

Experiencing that feeling when you keep finding more and more ways to do what you want to do and now you are on a side quest to find out how all of them work and can't start the very thing that prompted you to search for these ways

[stark needle]

Chat are you ready for what we all been waiting for?

https://huggingface.co/google/magenta-realtime

Ai generated music model

The use cases are so stupid

Ai generating music is NOT the way to make music more "accessible" if you are disabled imo