programming

[wary rover]

Do programming languages have femboyness scale?

[olive sable]

I guess

[hoary lion]

shit yuri mentioned

rahh

[stark needle]

@sage crag are you older than 0 seconds?

[wary rover]

my observations so far led me to believe, that picking rust as a language of choice has same reputation as picking bleed build in elden ring

[opaque wharf]

Relative to what?

[olive sable]

Rust is the most loved language, but it turns you queer or smthn i guess.
I dont make the rules

[stark needle]

relative to the length of a second

[rigid snow]

between the date of birth and the instant you read this

[opaque wharf]

Yeah this

[stark needle]

You might be able to define konii's age as a limit

[trim valve]

ok do I make my raytracer multithreaded from the get-go

[ruby timber]

I'm definitely the most obvious male out there

[hoary lion]

two things that I cannot understand

[trim valve]

(no)

[hoary lion]

[olive sable]

Oh you're doing cpu side?

[trim valve]

I don't wanna involve the gpu in this

for a good while

[olive sable]

[ruby timber]

That's fair

[opaque wharf]

Look, if anyone wants me to call them by their preferred pronouns, I'm down to it. But I can't even remember what I ate for breakfast so ymmv.

[ruby timber]

The raytracing project we have to do for school is uni-thread on the cpu

[ruby timber]

that's fair

[stark needle]

Your profile looks 1:1 like that of a girl that spends too much time online

[ruby timber]

HELP

[hoary lion]

🙏

too accurate

[trim valve]

well my thinking is basically that because there'd be so many bins that I could use atomics with very little risk of it being much slower

[trim valve]

that reminds me I should spruce up my profile at some point

how long have I had this pfp for anyways

[stark needle]

I want to redraw my pfp

I need ideas for silly content

To put on my pfp

[trim valve]

Thu, 19 Jun 2025 20:42:47 GMT that doesn't sound right Last-Modified

how dare discord no longer tell you exactly when someone changed their pfp

[ruby timber]

What about time created?

OH

Yeah okay

I thought you were talking about a file

[stark needle]

dementia

Forgor

Goldfish

[opaque wharf]

A PCB drawing

[trim valve]

I don't think I still have the original ngl

is it time to search twitter for a new cat

or do I go the weeb route instead

[opaque wharf]

I offer this cat

[trim valve]

that sure is a creature

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

I have this very purple picture of a cat

but too blurry

[ruby timber]

I like this sideeye

[hoary lion]

too purple

but majestic eyes

[trim valve]

what about this sideeye

[opaque wharf]

Tis a very old picture

[trim valve]

I could probably unpurple it

[trim valve]

like my steam is already Kita

[opaque wharf]

Then change the steam to cat

[hoary lion]

kita ikuyo mentioned??

less go

[ruby timber]

Very good too, though more subtle

[trim valve]

there was also this one

but it looks so sad :(

[ruby timber]

:(

[hoary lion]

Niuh :((

[trim valve]

ok different cat for now

but this one is a bit small and hard to see

so probably gonna change

[olive sable]

gonna have to relearn bred

[hoary lion]

mann

i wish I have infinite storage

[opaque wharf]

Make one

Its easy. Just divide by 0

[hoary lion]

am being serious

[olive sable]

just put 2 bytes per byte in your ssd

[hoary lion]

grr

im angy

[amber fractal]

new cat pfp spotted

[minor crag]

Reddit makes my head hurt

[rare bramble]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1369711927043035288/niuh-3x.gif

[olive sable]

why do you need to put a ; after the } of a class but not a function? thats weird

[minor crag]

Apparently neuro is just chat GPT or Llama 2 (also apparently llama 2 costs $100,000 to run locally (on the low end))

[opaque wharf]

Welcome to C++

[minor crag]

Reddit makes no sense

[jolly pond]

hey guys, i was wondering if anyone has any tips they could share for rvc stuff (rvc gui), i keep getting black screened or it doesnt output

[olive sable]

very oversimplified there
neuro is a heavily finetuned version of an unknown premade model

[opaque wharf]

Speaking of cursedness and cat

[jolly pond]

Is that for me?

[minor crag]

I know its wrong but that's what reddit thinks

[wary rover]

Factory reset

[olive sable]

its not entirely wrong afaik

[opaque wharf]

Wrong reply m8

[sour harness]

oof

[jolly pond]

[minor crag]

I can run llama 3 on my phone but apparently it costs $100,000

[sour harness]

Llama 2 has small model sizes that can easily run locally on a gaming rig

[nocturne olive]

Llama 2? Costing 100K to run locally? Complete garbage, you could run even the highest 70B variant on a double 3090 setup and that costs like 1400-1500 for the GPUs and maybe 3K for a whole system

[wary rover]

It was not specified for how long will it run. In a couple of decades electricity cost can run up to 100k

[minor crag]

Or a Samsung A55

[sour harness]

Even less. If you quantize down the 13B variant it runs on less than 8GB VRAM.

[jolly pond]

I wanna shitpost with the neurovoice

[opaque wharf]

I can run 70B just fine on my laptop with iGPU. How fast it is is another matter tho

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[minor crag]

I know its incorrect but that's what reddit seems to think

Also

[olive sable]

why you even using reddit as a source?

[sour harness]

Llama 2 only has a 4k context window, so that would be a highly limiting factor, but also explains the rapid finetune to get stuff out of the context and into the model.

[wary rover]

Recreate neuro's voice through AI voice mask [one of those pictures of mega brain meme goes here]

[minor crag]

Its funny

[nocturne olive]

Seems like Reddit has a lot of idiots that don't know what efficient purchasing decisions are

[minor crag]

Didn't someone say neuro is a finetuned model?

[nocturne olive]

Apparently it's possible to do finetuning to increase context length

[wary rover]

There are a lot of people that know what is AI, very few know how is AI

[jolly pond]

Oh super box hi

[sour harness]

There are methods to do that (Yarn and Rope), but they are only effective to a certain degree

[minor crag]

BTW this is the comment I'm referencing https://www.reddit.com/r/NeuroSama/comments/zw2a8w/comment/j46bkt6/

[sour harness]

That post starts out strong with absolutely no clues being had

[wary rover]

My new project idea requires creation of JSON file. Difficulty - Impossible

[nocturne olive]

Seems like whoever that is is an idiot in more ways than one

[minor crag]

I'm 99% sure that comment was written by GPT 1

[sour harness]

I'm facepalming so hard at the suggestion of OCR'ing twitch chat

[nocturne olive]

Would honestly not be surprised except that GPT 1 doesn't have enough data to write something that contains some of that stuff

[minor crag]

I didn't even notice that

[amber fractal]

[potent gull]

...wait, what?

[amber fractal]

wha

I scanned through and I am instantly confused

[minor crag]

I have 90 days to finish my ai :3

I wish I hadn't procrastinated for the last 2 months

[olive sable]

the compile time has gotten long
gotta wait liek 20sec each time

[sage crag]

could be

[rigid snow]

you should rewrite all of the twitch messages onto a notepad and ocr that with a webcam instead

[tidal mantle]

Chat I need advice

[rigid snow]

or have the notepad be read out loud by someone on a discord call into tts

very efficient

[jagged marsh]

Unsure how realistic the article claims are... but "latency" is in the title:
https://zhihaojia.medium.com/compiling-llms-into-a-megakernel-a-path-to-low-latency-inference-cf7840913c17

[olive sable]

go ahead

[rigid snow]

did this not exist? if not and this is a breakthrough then my question is, are ml engineers actually stupid?

[jagged marsh]

Are people stupid? Maybe... Are people lazy? Yes

[wary rover]

Removed by the wrathful hand of a mod

[rigid snow]

was that at least worth reading, i just started

[safe path]

bro im here to complain about drivers

good news, i found out what sensors my cameras are using

[stone cedar]

Is that complete rebuild with external libs?
Becasue that's pretty long ...

[jagged marsh]

Is it really useful to have first-launch latency reduction? Maybe
Is it more useful to have long-session latency reduction? Probably

[wary rover]

Content making isn't taking off and dude was upset about it. Nothing too bad

[opaque sigil]

meson calls in the distance

[safe path]

bad news:

• https://github.com/intel/ipu6-drivers/issues/279
• https://github.com/intel/ipu6-drivers/issues/24

[olive sable]

i have a decent amount of libs and files ye

[tidal mantle]

Did they remove my text?

[opaque sigil]

How many of those are actually getting compiled every time though

[olive sable]

i guess so ye

[tidal mantle]

Bruh

[olive sable]

idk, i hope not all of them cuz i didnt change them

[safe path]

find your own means to connect with the needed people, don't do it on this server

how hard is it to write my own drivers 🥹

[opaque sigil]

If you just grabbed them off the internet as headers + compiled library then I guess they shouldn't be touched at all

[olive sable]

wdym compiled library?

[safe path]

i should just buy a usb webcam surely nothing is worth this effort

[opaque sigil]

.dll or .lib files

[olive sable]

it doesnt look worth it to me lol

[opaque wharf]

Ez. But writing actual functioning one is hard

[safe path]

thank u computed, appreciated

[stone cedar]

that's should still not be 20s worth of compiling. The entire top block is STL and just needs to be linked, glm is pretty small and platform is youyr own tiny header iirc. Unless loadGLTF is gigantic there is no way this should take that long.

[olive sable]

some of them have dll or lib files, but most dont
sdl has a dll and lib, and glew only has a lib

[opaque wharf]

It's not. IIRC, all of sams lib is the source

[rigid snow]

wait my discord activity status is bugged in a very interesting way

[opaque wharf]

Oh, so not all at least

[olive sable]

its proably cuz im including and preloading some files

[opaque sigil]

sdl is realistically by far the biggest one so that's good at least

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but I mean it. Writing driver for linux is easy. But when it needs to interface with hardware and function correctly, that's hard. Especially without knowing the full protocol

[safe path]

yeah i get it, it's probably not worth tbh

[opaque sigil]

is there a git repo for this yet sam

[safe path]

i do have the full graph though so it might be possible

but 😔

[opaque wharf]

Oh, definitely not

[olive sable]

i should make one ngl. but i will have to set up a proper .gitignore first

dont want to have a repeat of last time

[opaque wharf]

The content should be *, and just ! everything that is your code

[opaque sigil]

you can just git init and then fill the file until everything you don't want is gone

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

*
!main.cpp
!some_header.h

[opaque sigil]

(don't actually do that for the entire project)

[olive sable]

im splitting my files so there are a lot more folders this time lmoa

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I was joking lol

[olive sable]

idk what build is but its empty so ill delete it ig

[rigid snow]

i've never seen anything like this. it's been stuck like this for a while, and i'm not listening to anything since like an hour ago

[olive sable]

just disocrd being weirdge

i turned that off i think cuz it kept bugging

[opaque wharf]

Solution, treat discord like IRC with multimedia

[rigid snow]

i mean i do treat it as that - also voice chat - but the spotify integration is nice because spotify's own alternative doesn't show what my friends are listening to in real time

and our friend group does actually use this

it's fun to see someone who only listens to jrock suddenly listening to playboi carti because they pressed the play button on someone's profile

[tidal mantle]

I don’t understand what’s wrong with trying to connect with people?

I’m not doing anything bad I need honest advice I was more so hoping that a mod would help me or sum but ig not

[opaque wharf]

For content creation, go to art or general chat probably

[wary rover]

Networking is not a purpose of general chats. It comes off as a sort of self-promotion and nobody really likes it. You are also in programming chat which has no relation to the topic you are pushing. And trying to debate mods usually doesn't end well, cause most of them have no energy for that and will just kick you

[rigid snow]

You are also in programming chat
"networking" vs "networking"

[tidal mantle]

Oh ok cool I get that fr I thought since I might have to go down the programming route that if anyone knows stuff about coding my own Nero I could get help and since I was already on that way I might as well ask for content creation advice

[olive sable]

do i need to get the chart?

fuck it you shall get the char

[wary rover]

Understandable, have a nice day

[tidal mantle]

obviously it wouldent be a exact ripoff but I’ve tried to code something close but failed and gave up 😭

[olive sable]

le charte de l'ai

oh my god this stupid fucking projection matrix

[wary rover]

I would love to get so good at programming that I actualize my stupid idea of coding a bunch of bots in a simple environment where they would need to get resourses and gradually evolve ways to communicate with each other. So the purpose of it is to see what how would language emerge in this weird 0 player game

When you wanted to be linguist, but the only available education was mechanical engineer

[rigid snow]

what ways of transmitting information do they have

[opaque wharf]

HELP ME WRANGLE FREECAD

[wary rover]

An action opportunity where they would be able to use n-amount of any unicode symbols maybe?

[rigid snow]

as in we, on earth, usually use air vibrations and light to transmit information

or physical touch

[tidal mantle]

I heard the Nero code is out there just public is that true I can’t find it

[rigid snow]

no

[wary rover]

Yeah, let me just casually simulate the universe

[lapis wraith]

That couldn't be farther from the truth. You maybe find "attempts" at a clone, but no. Our ai overlords are closed code

[opaque wharf]

To be fair, even if the model is public, without the weight it doesn't do anything interesting

[tidal mantle]

yeah I’ve tried to remake it but it’s impossible

[wary rover]

Move them by hand until success

[rigid snow]

then i predict they'll just choose a random symbol as a sign they want to tell a certain thing, so a symbol will roughly translate to a whole sentence - like "drop the X resource"

[lapis wraith]

If it was "easy" to do, vedal wouldn't be in the position he is right now. But don't worry too much. Even making some kinda chatbot already takes effort.
Keep at it and maybe you'll find your way.

Just don't ask for my help. I have zero idea about AI

[wary rover]

That is still interesting af, cause I want to have generations of them and majority of records would be passed down, like "when I said this to this dude he did that", so the meaning will consolidate overtime. Or chaos emerges and nothings means anything and I sob gently in several corners

[rigid snow]

do that but only the emoji ranges

that sounds fun

obviously they won't mean the same things to them as they do to us, but the idea of them speaking emoji to each other sounds amusing

[rare bramble]

has definitely been made with some special sauce, there has been A LOT of other AI vtubers / streamers and such, but all of them feel so bad and hollow compared to

no idea what has done but he has cooked, also the fact that he didn't just make v1 and call it a day, is the product of years and years of insane effort

[wary rover]

Yeah, it will be funny.
Bot 342->Bot 451👉 👌 😘
Bot 451 drops a piece of wood to Bot 342

[rigid snow]

[wary rover]

I am only like 7 years worth of learning away from making this project a reality, should be easy enough

[opaque wharf]

Famous last words

[sour harness]

Did you factor in how many rewrites you will inevitibly do when you skill up and become disgusted by your old code?

[wary rover]

I can always start again!

And again!

[sour harness]

My point exactly

[wary rover]

Until I die, then I cant

[lapis wraith]

please don't fall for that trap. Is better to do something, even if it horrendously coded, than trying to do something and re doing it mid way. You'll feel better that way.

[wary rover]

I mean the skillset required is like 7 years worth of learning, factoring the work

Cause I am not a programmer

[rigid snow]

do you ever truly finish anything

there are always things to add

and iterate on

[wary rover]

Just do a new better version from the ground up. Like V1, V2, V3... Wait

[lapis wraith]

Oh, absolutely not. But at least, having some "release" is better than nothing. You'll probably abandon it even if it needs iterations

[wary rover]

I am starting a text-based fishing gacha now as a learning experience. Need to create a JSON file, pretty intimidated by that. Never have I made something so complex

[rigid snow]

i don't understand if this is sarcasm or not

[wary rover]

No, its my third program

Will be*

[rigid snow]

oh don't worry then json is easy

[lapis wraith]

JSON is pretty easy once you get it. But have fun trying to guess why your code is not working. Then you realize your code is not formatting the JSON correctly

[rigid snow]

you're using rust right? serde is great

[sour harness]

If you haven't looked into parsing yet, the serde crate will get you there easily.

[wary rover]

There will be like a list of fishes that you can catch and those that are caught will be added to collection, which must be preserved between the executions

So collection is json... I think that's how it should be done

[wary rover]

[sour harness]

JSON is good in this case because with serde you can easily serialize and deserialize your structs to and from JSON easily using serde

[wary rover]

I used parse to turn a string into integer once

[sour harness]

It works similarly but a bit differently. Let me fetch some code real quick.

[wary rover]

You don't have to, but if you want to I will be glad

Usually it's really tough to teach me, because I can't learn from explanations for some reason. It works better when I bang my head against the problem until either the problem or the head crack

So I kinda feel bad for people that want to help me

Cause god help them

[sour harness]

Let me just give you some example so you know what to look for

#[derive(Debug, Clone, Serialize, Deserialize)]
struct PartialToolConfig {
    /// The unique name identifier for this tool
    pub name: String,
    /// The type of tool this is
    pub tool_type: ToolType,
    /// Human-readable description of what this tool does
    pub description: String,
}```

[rigid snow]

serde is actually goated compared to what other statically typed languages often have, i'd take serde over gson or newtonsoft.json or whatever c/cpp have ANY day

[sour harness]

So you can see there is that struct I defined

and above that you have that #[derive] thingy

[wary rover]

Ah, yes, struct

It is my most recent learning target

[sour harness]

The Serialize and Deserialize come from serde like this:
use serde::{Deserialize, Serialize};

Putting them there makes serde able to generate JSON for that struct (Serialize) or parse a JSON file into it (Deserialize)

[wary rover]

Do I need to add something to dependencies? Last time I had to add randomizer function for example

[sour harness]

Yes, you will need serde as a dependency

[wary rover]

Aha

[rigid snow]

hey can you do ```rs\n instead of ```\n to have syn highlighting so it looks nicer, especially on bigger codeblocks

[sour harness]

oh nice, didn't know that

[rigid snow]

it doesn't show up on mobile tho

[wary rover]

Will this JSON be automatically created where it's needed or do I have to specify a path?

[sour harness]

This was just enabling JSON do do parsing. The heavy lifting happens later.

[wary rover]

Mh

[rigid snow]

you have to handle saving/loading manually, the correct terminology would be serialize and save to file/read from file and deserialize

[sour harness]

In my case:

    // Load the main tools configuration
    let tools_content =
        fs::read_to_string(&tools_config_file).map_err(|e| ConfigError::IoError {
            context: format!("reading tools.json from {}", tools_config_file.display()),
            source: e,
        })?;

    let partial_tools: Vec<PartialToolConfig> = serde_json::from_str(&tools_content)
        .map_err(|e| ConfigError::ToolsConfigParseError { source: e })?;```
So what happens here is that I read the config file (plus some error handling). The config file contains several entries. serde then parses those entries into a Vec of the struct, so I have one struct in the vec for every entry in the file.

[wary rover]

I am starting to feel like this project is a bit of a leap in difficulty in comparison to 2 previous

[sour harness]

Actually let me simplify

[wary rover]

I am adding this to notepad and hope that I will understand it fully a bit later

[sour harness]

    // Load the main tools configuration
let tools_content = fs::read_to_string(&tools_config_file)?;

let partial_tools: Vec<PartialToolConfig> = serde_json::from_str(&tools_content)?;```

[rigid snow]

rust does look scary to people who aren't used to it huh

[sour harness]

This should be clearer

[rigid snow]

also unwrapping is fine in your case

[sour harness]

First try to read the config into a large string. Then try to parse that string into JSON.

[rigid snow]

unwrap everywhere

[wary rover]

By the way, random question: why do programmes leave } on a new line? It looks a bit nicer if it is left on the line where block ends imo

[rigid snow]

so we can move lines around

[sour harness]

(oh god not this discussion again)

[rigid snow]

the brackets

[rare bridge]

bracket discussion

[wary rover]

I organized my thingy by keywords position and it looked like a pretty code sausage. People didn't like it

[sour harness]

cargo fmt is your friend

[olive sable]

dont start on the brackets

[rigid snow]

it's the man himself

[rare bridge]

alright, i have a lil challenge for people smarter than me

i'm currently working on a backup solution (wayyyyy overdue)

[olive sable]

[sour harness]

Generally you should let cargo fmt do the formatting for you. It will automatically apply the formatting that most rust programmers would agree on in most cases.

[rare bridge]

i've got production (pc) to local backup storage (a dedicated HDD on my local server) sorted. plan is to use syncthing to ensure my local backups are as up to date as possible

[olive sable]

okay

[rare bridge]

one sec

[wary rover]

But code sausage :( Look how neat and tight it is! :D

[sour harness]

Look how hard to read it is

[wary rover]

I love my code sausage

[rare bridge]

back

i also plan to use a cloud storage provider for off-site backups, however i want to encrypt those files

[opaque wharf]

Ohhh boy here we go again

[olive sable]

you are my arch nemesis

[rigid snow]

also if you use vscode you can turn on format on save in settings in you have the rust-analyzer extension to automatically run cargo fmt on the current file

[wary rover]

Oh, I have this one! I accidentally killed it by deleting main once

[lapis wraith]

Don't worry. No matter how bad it looks at your eyes, it can always be worse.

[olive sable]

so encrypting files you put on the cloud? i actually dont kow how to do that

[rare bridge]

but i don't want to encrypt the local backup, as a recovery method i plan to have is literally pulling the drive out of the machine and plugging it into my production machine to recover if all goes terribly wrong

[opaque wharf]

You encrypt it before uploading

[rare bridge]

now here's the problem

to reduce local backup to cloud backup network overhead, i only want to be sending the changed files

[olive sable]

well ye, bu i was thinking about having it as an automated pipeline

[rare bridge]

while still encrypting

[sour harness]

Are you using Windows? For Linux there are ready-to-go solutions to do just that.

[rare bridge]

pc to local backup is windows to linux, but the plan is that it'll be local backup -> cloud backup

so yes, linux

[sour harness]

If you go with Backblaze I'm pretty sure their Windows client supports what you want.

[rare bridge]

i am using backblaze, but i plan to only use their B2 storage service, not their personal backup service

[sour harness]

borg backup should be able to do that

[rare bridge]

giving my data to the hivemind

[trim valve]

my limited experience with borg has been good but I've unfortunately never tried it networked

[rigid snow]

i see you putting two lines on one line, that's very frightened upon to put it lightly - if you want clear visual separation don't be afraid to put empty lines between things, so in your case

let rn = rand::thread_rng().gen_range(1..=10);
let mut guess = String::new();io::stdin().read_line(&mut guess).unwrap();
let guess: i32 = guess.trim().parse().unwrap();
``` becomes ```rs
let rn = rand::thread_rng().gen_range(1..=10);

let mut guess = String::new();
io::stdin().read_line(&mut guess).unwrap();

let guess: i32 = guess.trim().parse().unwrap();

[sour harness]

I used it locally for backups over network

[rare bridge]

hmm... borg backup seems to work for local, however i already have a local solution via syncthing, but i'll look into borg backup as it might be more designed for my use case

since syncthing is more file sync between multiple machines, not backups

i've been fighting syncthing for a bit trying to get it to work

[opaque wharf]

Yes, exactly. This is the main purpose. To send files and sync them

Very different from backup

[sour harness]

syncthing syncronizes, borg is backup

I'm also using syncthing for synchronizing files over 4 different machines, but I'm still running backups separately

[rare bridge]

i do like syncthing for it's real-time syncing (), but yeah, switching to something like borg is probably best

[sour harness]

If you want syncronization to untrusted targets, that's a very different ask

[opaque wharf]

You can use both

[rare bridge]

i don't intend to do syncronization to untrusted targets, sounds like hell

i do need backups to untrusted targets (backblaze b2) though

pc to local is trusted, local to cloud is untrusted

[opaque wharf]

Trusted or not, for backup just use borg. Encrypt it for the cloud target

[rare bridge]

actually i'd need a windows solution to replace syncthing i'm extremely dumb

[sour harness]

Apparently borg can now use rclone, so that should connect to S3-like storages

[rare bridge]

can't believe they get people like me to moderate for an ai vtuber

borg can do rclone? i doubt encrypted tho

[opaque wharf]

Nah, moderation is another thing entirely

[sour harness]

encryption is performed by borg

rclone is just for file transfer

You hand borg an encryption key, everything else is transparent to that

[rare bridge]

i don't see it playing nicely with rclone tho, cos wouldn't encrypting the files make it change every encryption it does

(idk what i'm saying)

[trim valve]

iirc Borg splits files into chunks first

[sour harness]

borg only backups deltas

[opaque wharf]

So only the deltas will be sent

[rare bridge]

ahhh i see

so i'd need a known starting point

[sour harness]

The first backup is everything of course, from there it's deltas

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, for the first time setup it will take some time

[sour harness]

I think you can also define how far the deltas should stretch before it has to do a complete backup of the file again.

[rare bridge]

i see, that sounds good for local to cloud

[opaque wharf]

Oh, this is nice

[rare bridge]

but since syncthing is being a pain, i'll need to find an alternative

[sour harness]

I think. Has been some time since I did configuration.

[rare bridge]

my main problem is once it finishes syncing, it automatically does local changes for some reason

(pc is set to send only, local backup destination is set to receive only)

[opaque wharf]

Don't use syncthing if you don't plan on doing something to the file at the target is a good rule of thumb

And just use borg for the local too

[rare bridge]

can't, pc to local is a windows to linux sorta deal

borg seems to be linux only

[rigid snow]

i might have brain damage, i just started typing a google query as if i was prompting an llm it's only been 2.5 years too...

[rare bridge]

worst part is ai overview might respond

[rigid snow]

[rare bridge]

obviously my solution is to abandon windows and use nixos

[tender river]

(no idea what the context is but i always tell people that they are free to ask for help with it)

[rare bridge]

context is i'm trying to set up backups for my files and the only software i knew would work does not, in fact, work

[opaque wharf]

I'll be here for arch user

[warped narwhal]

including .CPP files

[olive sable]

are you not uspposed to?

[warped narwhal]

No

[olive sable]

why

[warped narwhal]

You're meant to use headers

[opaque wharf]

Is this your first time looking at Sam code?

[rare bridge]

i want something opensource, but yeah

[olive sable]

i figured stuff out

[warped narwhal]

Just use rsync to copy the files and cron to do that once a week

Surely the best solution

[opaque wharf]

Is rsync on windows tho?

[warped narwhal]

Probably

If not you can likely compile it

[rare bridge]

[opaque wharf]

There seems to be a cygwin binaries but installing cygwin just for rsync seems overkill

[warped narwhal]

You seem to be able to use wsl for it. Or there is an app called robocopy that you can call if your use case is simpler

[rigid snow]

you have a cpp file - the compiler compiles each cpp file to an object
if you include the cpp file directly it just includes the source code thus compiling the file as many times as you include it (which causes issues but you already know what include guards are)
a header file just declares what you have in these cpp files, so you can use (the compiler can link) what has been compiled separately

[warped narwhal]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9RJTQmK0YPI

[olive sable]

can i just generate a .hpp file or do i need to make one for each file?

[rare bridge]

thoughts on this?
https://github.com/restic/restic

[opaque wharf]

There's cwRsync, but I don't know if it compatibles with rsync since they seems to have their own server

[opaque wharf]

The premise is good, but I wouldn't know until they release v1

[gritty dust]

you guys encrypt files

[opaque wharf]

You don't really want your backup to not working because of the software has breaking change

[olive sable]

i dont but i imagine cloudburst does some important stuff

[tender river]

i've heard of it so it must be fine

[wary rover]

I hate to cut into actually important discussion about smart stuff, but I need a bit of feedback on pseudocode and general logistics of my dumb project, like obviously incorrect order of operation or generally bad way to do what I described. And then I will vanish for a day learning how to do that

[gritty dust]

yeah fair tbh lol

[rare bridge]

uhh yeah sure i do important stuff

(i actually just don't want a 3rd party having my literal files, plus there are some files on here that aren't for public consumption, soooo)

[tender river]

my backup strategy is
never needed one

[opaque sigil]

fwiw you can put any rclone target behind encryption so borg should work with that no problem

only problem (depending on who you ask) is you now have to use their specific algorithm

i just take daily snapshots of my windows drive, has worked well enough so far

[rare bridge]

time to make my own software for this

[olive sable]

projection and view matrices are working, and i can load multiple objects now

[tender river]

i do have my most important files stored on my server as well as my pc so i can tolerate small-scale data loss

[opaque wharf]

Rclone to local, borg to cloud

[rare bridge]

do i actually have any reason to not use to linux actually

trying to think if i run anything on a daily basis which is incompatible

[gritty dust]

YESSSS the music is back

beautiful

[olive sable]

the one i posted earlier had funky town lmao

[gritty dust]

WAIT show me

plz

haha

[olive sable]

here

[stone cedar]

Sounds fine overall. Do you want the user to be able to do multiple actions after another like "collection" > "catch" > "collection" to see the updated collection? if so I would think about how to do this, not sure how comfortable you are with loops. And do you have an idea how you want to structure the JSON?

[gritty dust]

its beautiful, brings a tear to my eye

[opaque wharf]

In general, an attempt at DRM (not the kernel DRM) for the software doesn't work well. Same with anti-cheat

But then again, some people actually make solidworks and fusion360 works on linux

[wary rover]

I have no idea how to do loops or JSON structure, but the point is for me to learn them in the process. I just want to know what to NOT do, to avoid wasting limited free time on something that was doomed from the start

[rigid snow]

since you're making a rust game you absolutely should include a turbofish-ie ::<>
answering the question: i think the best way is to make the collection of type HashMap where the key is a fish enum and the value is the count of fish caught

[rare bridge]

looked at rclone, looks good to me

[tender river]

https://turbo.fish/

[rigid snow]

wait actually should i give you code for how that'll look?

[wary rover]

Aha, noted, thank you

[rare bridge]

borg looks good for local to cloud too, so that'll work too

just need to get the initial backup out the way

[wary rover]

Ill figure it out. It's learning project to learn stuff

What a coincidence that what i need to use for fishing minigame is turbofish something

[gritty dust]

yeah the borg from star trek do look good

[rare bridge]

i will use the borg as a storage drive

and they cannot stop me

[gritty dust]

resistance is futile

[rare bridge]

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

do i need to add .dll files for sdl and such to the github repo?

[stone cedar]

It's unusual to start learning loops with an infinite loop but thinking about it the concept might actually be easier to grasp with the loop and the break condition separated.
-# but then again I never touched rust so I may just be completely wrong here

[rigid snow]

loop {}

[wary rover]

Fishies must loop, got it

Actually now that I think of this it's kinda counterintuitive that input-output game that just memorizes previous outputs requires infinite loop

[rigid snow]

this feels extremely wrong to me but i'm not a c/cpp dev so

[olive sable]

ok

[rigid snow]

i don't know what's best practice

but the premise of committing binaries scares me

[opaque wharf]

Just document things properly. Or you could also make it a git submodule (even if its hard to do it right)

[tender river]

Ideally dont do it, just document where the user can get the dlls or use a proper build system. If you must, use LFS.

also do not edit dependencies' code (it's called vendoring and it's bad, speaking as a package maintainer)

[opaque wharf]

If its a closed source, they do that

[olive sable]

like this then i guess?

[rigid snow]

yeah no shit there's nothing you can do instead, you're given a .dll and a header file

[opaque wharf]

Ehh, not bad per sè, just tha if shit breaks, don't just blame the upstream immediately

[stone cedar]

just put the build folder in the .gitignore instead of all extensions of the build artifacts

[tender river]

probably, you are using a nonstandard layout that wont work well no matter what you do but ideally just dont commit library code and any kind of binaries to your repo

[opaque wharf]

Which is why I said that its sometimes done (committing binaries to git)

[olive sable]

libraries are in the include and lib folders so that should be fine

[rigid snow]

oh trust me i know it's done and i've seen it, i just said i don't know what's best practice

[olive sable]

leme fix the header files situation before commiting

[tender river]

it is bad and you should feel bad if you do it, you are increasing the workload of everyone involved:

• library maintainers for not knowing of your issues with the library
• yourself because you now have to maintain a patchset and if the library updates you will have to update your changes too
• anyone who wants to use your code because now they have to compile the library with your changes instead of using their system libraries

[olive sable]

i did make some minor changes to a lib, but just to fix some deprecated warnings

basiclty just removed 4 spaces

[tender river]

and if it can't be avoided because of e.g. philosophic differences, you should have a strong written justification for everything you change, otherwise you're making it for other people to understand your project

[opaque wharf]

• Library maintainer won't know anything if I don't report anything
• Maintaining patchset, if being paid is literally the job
• Can't comment on this one. Because sometimes the upstream code does not have quite the features I need (like using different cryptographic library)

[rigid snow]

job security write incomprehensible garbage so the guy they brought in to replace you does not figure any part of the codebase out

(will get you fired if you work in a team tho)

[opaque wharf]

For real. The dude before me just straight up modifies mbedTLS for some bizzare reasons that I can't comprehend. The codebase is too big for me to comprehend alone and I'm not paid enough to fix it because it works

[tender river]

this is exactly why its bad

[olive sable]

so something like this, and i include the header file?

[tender river]

when you fork it, you open the floodgates to maintenance hell, "just one more change" quickly turns into major incompatibilities with upstream

[olive sable]

or do i need to add the includes too?

[tender river]

koreader and frida come to mind

building them with upstream libraries is impossible, and when i tried to build it with their code it still ended up being impossible because their changes are only made to build in super specific conditions

[stone cedar]

The #pragma once in the cpp should be useless and can be removed, otherwise yes, that's how you declare a function in a header.

You only need the includes that the header needs in the header (like if your function takes an std::vector the header also needs to include <vector>

[olive sable]

so all of them then, ok

[rigid snow]

no 0 in your case

[olive sable]

wdym?

[opaque wharf]

But also, another library (which I won't name because I DO maintain an open source fork of it), straight up not following the spec (a key size of 64 byte is required instead of 32. But indeed a lot of cryptographic libraries supports 64 byte key while the one already available to me, don't support it)

[olive sable]

my function needs fstream and sstream

[rigid snow]

if a type you need to declare your function is from an include, you include it in the header

you don't need those to declare the function signature tho

[stone cedar]

The function needs it, you don't need it to call the function.

[olive sable]

so in the cpp, not the header?

[tender river]

mhm forks are sometimes fine, its just best to work with the upstream whenever possible and even if you cant you should first try to find a workaround

[olive sable]

also, should i use hpp or does it not matter?

[tender river]

i'd say use hpp if you're writing c++ code, but at the end it's just convention

c++ has zero consistent conventions across the entire ecosystem

[stone cedar]

The compiler doesn't care but every human expects it to be named that way.

[tender river]

not every human

[opaque sigil]

you can keep the single file as shaders.hpp too for all it matters and half the ecosystem will be fine with it

[tender river]

.h in c++ is common practice

[olive sable]

what about this thing?
i got told this is better off in another file but since its compiler code idk

[opaque wharf]

I have 0 expectation of any code I don't write lol

[stone cedar]

Okay to clarify, I meant everyone expects header and source to be named differently, whether you use .h, .hpp, .hxx, .h++ vs .cpp, .cxx, .c++ is personal preference

[stone cedar]

also fair

[opaque sigil]

forgot the best one, .cc

[rigid snow]

look. in your case you only need built in types to call the function, and it returns a built in type - so you don't have to include any types to declare it. if you, for example, in your function returns a std::vector, or expects one as a parameter - that has to be included in the header file

[stone cedar]

Damn, I guess I'm just a poser.
Not aa real c/c++ fan.
smh my head

[opaque wharf]

One of these days someone will come up with cccp

[rigid snow]

.cplusplus

[opaque wharf]

TIL that two c and p is filtered here lol

[stone cedar]

Why don't we evaluate .c++ and just use .d

[opaque wharf]

So my happy little accident of three c and one p actually pass the filter

[olive sable]

so this can remain as a .h????

[rigid snow]

you assume the value of c is "c", what if it's actually "A" or something

[opaque sigil]

yes

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that doesn't seems too problematic

[opaque sigil]

there's no right or wrong, do whatever makes you happy (just don't include the same source code multiple times without a guard)

[olive sable]

aight imma push

[stone cedar]

Well either of those is a string, so c++ is just '\0' then and we end up with .

[rigid snow]

oh is a char ' with these quotes

i'm washed gg it's over

forgetting basic things

[olive sable]

why does githubg hate ++ in the name?

[opaque wharf]

Repo name?

[olive sable]

ye

[opaque wharf]

"simplicity"

Just blame it for that

[rigid snow]

repo name is alphanumeric and -_

only

[opaque wharf]

Or laziness. That works out fine too

[olive sable]

[stone cedar]

Do they use the repo name inside the url?

[opaque wharf]

They can always escape it

[rigid snow]

oh hell nah

[rigid snow]

yes they do

username/repo

[stone cedar]

It is kinda nice if repo name and url match though

[opaque wharf]

They match

But precisely because URL, if you want arbitrary character it would need escaping

Hence alphanumeric and _- is easier

[stone cedar]

Yeah, then it wouldn't match anymore
Was my point

after the escaping

[rigid snow]

i always git clone by retyping the url from memory, that's nice

i'd hate to do git clone https://github.com/ghost/My_C%2B%2B_project.git

[opaque wharf]

Wait, did git not perform url escape?

[olive sable]

welp, its up

https://github.com/samvanmaele/game-engine-cpp

should be fine, if not ill be up in about 3 hours

goodnight

[opaque wharf]

Let's bombard his repo now, and scrutinize EVERYTHING

[olive sable]

sure

i dont mind

[rigid snow]

makefile cursed

[opaque wharf]

Imma change every bracket style

[rigid snow]

why is it lowercase

now i'm curious who ever decided that all -files should start with a capital letter

[olive sable]

Wdym?
You cant just change it

Il deny the thingy

[opaque wharf]

I'll fork it and named it better-game-engine-cpp

[olive sable]

Ill just delete your fork

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

I will justset it to private if need be

I take my brackets very seriously

I see you

[rigid snow]

check prs

[olive sable]

Idk where that is

[rigid snow]

you'll figure it out

[opaque sigil]

time to fork and rewrite it in zig

[olive sable]

I figured it out

Did you make chatgpt write that?

Yap yap yap

Like i said before, the brackets are non negotiable. I would rather switch language again than to give up my ideals

[mossy fossil]

Imagine conforming to anyone because they told you

never change

if you think it's right, do that, don't let any rando tell otherwise

[olive sable]

[stone cedar]

Actual feedback: You currently ignore all glsl compiler warnings. The infolog might have some useful information even if the compilation succeeded, so I would always check for info log with
glGetShaderiv(shader, GL_INFO_LOG_LENGTH, &length); and print it if length is not zero.

[olive sable]

Oh ye true

[stone cedar]

That's probably more important with more complex shaders.

[olive sable]

True

Anyways bye

[fast pagoda]

chat is this true

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

neuro straight up prompting evil on stream is something

[sage crag]

i like how it mentions like committee judging as if the c++ committee isnt judging all the time anyway

[opaque sigil]

so true

[amber fractal]

#programming drama about to start

[stark needle]

I'm hungry

[noble zodiac]

the mix of spaces and hard tabs in your code is killing me

[topaz tendon]

Seems legit to me https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1099761105552814100/1385499406471532754/IMG_20250620_075927.jpg?ex=68564a5f&is=6854f8df&hm=62ad56e0f766259886d222fea0e05737fd4b5aec78b9f6dbe6f19f34fe6932cb&

[amber fractal]

[amber fractal]

New pull request dink donk

[knotty current]

free 2t google drive for 15 months

now i have 8 t storatge across everything i have

[faint sandal]

wait until you're about to leave the org and having to redownload everything on there before you go

or have your account suspended

[knotty current]

[hoary lion]

this the free

google one plan right

[knotty current]

ye

[amber fractal]

I should have not removed the spoiler warning

[dry charm]

yummy data spaghetti

[topaz tendon]

Anyone here has experience with Python and wxWidgets? I've been trying to switch to VS Code recently and one thing I miss from using IDLE is the ability to call functions and see changes live on the GUI, but if I try to do that with VS Code, the GUI freezes.

[stark needle]

chat

question 1

question 2

??????????

What is this succession

[stark needle]

Also, all of em can swim technically😭😭

[opaque wharf]

Maybe they have a very specific definition of swimming

But they didn't tell you what it is for funsies

"Hah, look at this dude, confused af"

[safe path]

i installed an addon to automatically refreshed a page and it came with a privacy policy / terms of service

bro it's literally one line of JS in tampermonkey to refresh a page can u not

[stark needle]

Is the technology patented tho

[safe path]

patented refresh tech

[hard raptor]

Well i would say the eagle, since that one usually doesn't live/hang out in water

[stark needle]

It does swim tho 😭

They just do it rarely

And mostly for hunting

[sage crag]

orb

[sage crag]

pretty good swimmers too

better than most non-aquatic birds

[tender river]

take notess everyone

[olive sable]

Im alive

Geography went okay, might have fucked up history tho

But it seems like everyone did so

[sage crag]

[tender river]

i saw a paper that referred to joins as lubs (least upper bounds) and thats a cute name more people should use it

counterpoint glb isnt as cute

[sage crag]

lubs

[olive sable]

Leave me alone

[stark needle]

Is that ai slop😭😭

[tender river]

you take multiple elements and find a singular element that contains all of them together isnt lub the perfect name

[tender river]

its purposefully bad, if the intention was simply to use ai the header/footer would be stripped

[ruby timber]

[nocturne olive]

Turns out after the latest update my Windows has become much closer to unusable
It has significant lag spikes when anything with explorer updates, and task manager crashes constantly, even after reverting to a previously stable overclock

[wary rover]

Ok, guys, very basic and stupid question. I create new projects by right clicking on the bin and creating new file. Just yesterday I tried to create one and it would tell me "its not an acceptable name for the file" no matter what name I'd choose. Format was specified with .rs. I wanted to recreate this error and ask how to fix it, but today it just agreed to make it without complaining. So uhh... I guess the question is: Is it optimal to create new projects like that? Or is there a better way?

[sour harness]

Normally you would create a completely new project for each project

using ./bin is really only useful if you have multiple executables in your project that share code

[wary rover]

nvm, it is still complaining lmao

[wary rover]

Got it, thanks

[sour harness]

If that file has no main() then of course it will complain

[wary rover]

Ooh, so last time I ctrlC ctrlV first line so fast that I didnt notice the error

12IQ moment

[opaque sigil]

People usually use cargo for their projects, might want to look into that

[wary rover]

Ok, now I understand how it works

[opaque sigil]

But yeah, if you create an empty file it'll complain at first

[rough bloom]

this is using Cargo, it's just that only the src/ subdirectory is open in the editor

[opaque sigil]

Oh I didn't even notice

Oh well

[wary rover]

In my defense: I just woke up

[opaque sigil]

I mean same so

[tender river]

in my defense: i have a brick

[ruby timber]

in my defense:

(good not so morning anymore)

[rough bloom]

btw, if you aren't already doing so, you should really try to read and understand the errors the Rust compiler gives you
they are very good and usually tell you what's wrong and how to fix it

[wary rover]

What I find challenging is that most of the tutorials on programming languages and software assume that you already know some other programming language or software

[tender river]

also you can configure the vscode extension to autoformat on save

[opaque sigil]

I love async rust errors

[tender river]

random thing somewhere in your code isnt Send. Good luck

[opaque sigil]

Do people actually format on save

[sour harness]

If you have a terminal open in vscode you can also run cargo check t o get the compiler errors

[rough bloom]

let's not consider async for now

[ruby timber]

yés

[exotic gull]

yés

[wary rover]

They are indeed very well explained, dig it a lot

[tender river]

i just press space-f every now and then

[sour harness]

That's where I go "cursor go fix this plz" :D

[opaque sigil]

Sounds kinda annoying

[tender river]

cursor wouldnt do shit lmao

[ruby timber]

Works for me, honestly it's preference

[opaque sigil]

Same, well different key combination but still

[tender river]

well, it depends on how deep you are

[ruby timber]

I might consider just using a keybind yeah

It can be disorrienting at times

[sour harness]

In my code base it actually fixed this exact issue though

[tender river]

it can work if the reason is a common pattern

[stark needle]

[wary rover]

It's so cool to read random conversations here. Like everybody is so knowledgeable and experienced in this stuff and you just toss around concepts that will take me days to understand and learn. Sometimes when I'm tired of failing to make my stuff work I just come here and read what are you talking about. I barely understand the subjects of conversations, but it makes me feel like I am smart too and what I do is much simpler in comparison, so I get back to tinkering with my code with "pfft, I am struggling with THIS?" attitude and it keep me going

[stark needle]

Fr

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[ruby timber]

Sameee

[blissful geyser]

When youtube says they're adding more ads to the site:

[wary rover]

What a great keyword. If I am mildly uncomfortable I unalive myself and everybody around me

[blissful geyser]

(Wait this is probably the wrong channel to post in)

[stark needle]

@ruby timber

https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/688576/feed-ai-nothing

New laziness method

Artist Terence Broad makes AI produce images without any training data at all.

[ruby timber]

AAHAHHAAH

[sour harness]

Calling this a crash is actually not really correct. unwrap() will cause the program to panic and shut down normally.

[ruby timber]

New billion dollar tactic

[rough bloom]

.unwrap() is not a keyword
it's just a normal method, it's not part of the language itself

[ruby timber]

AI abstract art

[wary rover]

Im still grasping the difference between a keyword and method

[ruby timber]

Which is your favorite

[ruby timber]

That's a nice choice

[stark needle]

FR

[stark needle]

i want to squish

[ruby timber]

Just slap random meaning on this image and sell it for 2m

[stark needle]

Noooo not that one

[sage crag]

i have more

[stark needle]

STOP

[sage crag]

you cannot defeat me

[stark needle]

get lilac'd

[ruby timber]

llc

[stark needle]

🇱 🇱 🇨

[wary rover]

🇨 🇧 🇹

[stark needle]

NOOOO

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

I lost my headphones

[opaque sigil]

right after closing that pr? what an odd coincidence

[tender river]

i'm sure it's just a coincidence

[rigid snow]

yes i took them as retaliation, merge the bracket thing and i’ll give them back

[olive sable]

Nah i closed that yesterday

And ill keep it closed

You just dont understand. Its not about the function header, its about the even

{

}

[opaque sigil]

btw i thought you might want to know, you're mixing tabs and spaces in that repo

[rigid snow]

is it even possible to insert a tab in vscode if the file is configured to use spaces

[noble zodiac]

the { } are the smallest of your crimes

[tender river]

found my last school year's grades
3 = barely passing
5 = perfect

[opaque sigil]

wait

was i tweaking, it's fine now

guess the github app just bugged out, oh well

i am not pfew, it is fucked up in the glcontext.cpp

[rough bloom]

[tender river]

thats sam's preferred way of formatting

issue closed

[noble zodiac]

ok, let m crash out for a second

naming a class lowercase objects is vile

[ruby timber]

yes

[rough bloom]

I didn't even notice that
but it's pretty common in C I think

[tender river]

because its structs not classes

[noble zodiac]

then you create an actual object of class objects and give it a the name obj which is singular when the class is plural

and on top of all that

none of the class methods actually interact with the class. There is no need for it to be a class at all

[rigid snow]

wait 4 in maths what i expected you to have at least 6, fake programmer smh

[tender river]

i am bad

[rough bloom]

that particular one actually is a class
there are other similarly named structs though

[tender river]

no yeah i get that

[pastel nymph]

Woah, you got astronomy

[olive sable]

I cant see the diffrence so most likely yes

[olive sable]

Good

[olive sable]

That one is a mash of stuff i stole online. I cant be bothered to learn all the sdl functions for now. It works

I know a decent amount of sdl now

[tender river]

found this from an old project i did with live2d in 2021

[olive sable]

I didnt put it like that

[rigid snow]

don’t feel bad, i don’t have my grade sheet on hand but here’s the егэ result (bottom line is out of 100)

[olive sable]

Is it?

[rough bloom]

I know, it's mixed tabs and spaces
using a formatter would fix that btw

[noble zodiac]

very much so yes

[olive sable]

its test code ok lmao

[tender river]

mine was uh around 65 i think? idk
either way i dont feel bad because i'll just learn something if i need it

[rigid snow]

true and based

[olive sable]

Needs to be implemented still

[rough bloom]

when you are planning to fix/remove this "test code"?

[olive sable]

Ill do it manually

[olive sable]

If i remove the test code there is nothing left.
Its all test code

[rigid snow]

.clang-format fears this guy

[rough bloom]

I knew it, it's never getting changed

[olive sable]

.clang-format doesnt do what i like

[rough bloom]

you can make it do what you like, probably

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

you definitely can

[rough bloom]

that "probably" was because I don't actually know clang-format that much
but yeah, it has a lot of options

[rigid snow]

i’m even pretty sure the default is what he needs

[opaque sigil]

it absolutely does

[olive sable]

Will it keep indentation in the #if?

[opaque sigil]

elaborate

(but most likely yes)

[rough bloom]

https://clang.llvm.org/docs/ClangFormatStyleOptions.html
BS_Allman

[rigid snow]

ok THATS on you

[olive sable]

This one

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

I like how this entire thing is me just being "im wrong? No! Its the world that is wrong! "

[rough bloom]

don't let Sam see any more of the options in that page or he will get ideas

[noble zodiac]

its 100% you being wrong

ong

[olive sable]

No

[noble zodiac]

frfr

no cap

no kizzy on the glizzy

[olive sable]

No what???

[rigid snow]

you don’t understand, he’s innovating and reshaping the cpp ecosystem

[olive sable]

Kizzy on the glizzy?

Thats a new one?

[noble zodiac]

fax no printer

[olive sable]

Im afraid to google it tho

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

I have a sandpaper here

[olive sable]

Cant watch that rn in school

[rigid snow]

ligh blub juce

[sage crag]

reshaping for the benefit of who

[rigid snow]

for the benefit of everyone

[opaque wharf]

Why, none other than the man himself of course

[tender river]

he's being paid by companies that sell 4:3 monitors

[noble zodiac]

you need 32:3 for that shit

wrong way around

I wont edit that

[sage crag]

he's not being paid by e-ink display makers thats for sure

[rigid snow]

4:3 monitors are superior for productivity anyways, 16:9 only got popularized because of emergence of media on PC

[noble zodiac]

he is being paid by big curly fries. its all subconcious propaganda

[tender river]

clearly you havent wrote enough apl

or perl

[sage crag]

4:3 is cozy and good for osu but 16:9 is better for split windows

[rigid snow]

turn on wrap lines

[opaque wharf]

Speaking of e-ink, the fucker at America decided that it would be a good idea to have dynamic pricing using e-ink price-tag at the shelves. That idea would be good to reduce paper use and they fucking turned it into capitalism idea

[sage crag]

banned from this channel

out with ye

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

i like my 16:9 most apps nowadays are designed to have sidebars and they dont work as well on 4:3

[sage crag]

reduce paper use by replacing it with electronics and plastic

paper is so scarce

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, imagine one year paper and ink usage to print all of those price tag

Not to mention it needs to be cut and the labour cost

[sage crag]

probably negligible compared to the replacement of broken e-ink displays because a snotty kid felt like pulling it too hard

[tender river]

i'd imagine more paper is wasted on receipts and weighted items

[sage crag]

indeed

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, I don't know. Acrylics can be a pretty good barrier and they are transparent

[sage crag]

e-ink is nothing if not fragile lol

[opaque sigil]

with the displays i can't take off the sticker and notice i'm being scammed though

[rigid snow]

just print on the packaging directly

[opaque wharf]

Behind acrylic? How would you reach it if not by deliberately breaking it? Which for 2mm acrylics is hard enough

[tender river]

supermarkets are places of chaos

[rigid snow]

the price tags on shelves are already eink in many places

it’s easier to update them this way

[opaque wharf]

I don't know how you guys are imagining the design. In my mind the shelves has a recessed duct for the display and electronic. Layered over by some protective barrier which can be acrylic

[rigid snow]

it’s already been a thing for like 5+ years hello?

[tender river]

more than that i think

[opaque wharf]

Yes, I know

But its pisses me off if they truly did a surge pricing thing

[rigid snow]

oh it’s 2025

[tender river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_shelf_label

An early system first offered for sale by National Cash Register (NCR) in 1997 used modulated backscatter of radio waves to provide two way wireless communications between the labels and the store’s radio network

wireless

[opaque wharf]

Yes, and the current gen uses e-paper

[tender river]

i'm imagining a thousand wireless devices and it doesn't sound good, but i'm sure they have some good industrial technologies for dealing with that

[rigid snow]

what do you need two way communication for

[tender river]

acks?

[opaque wharf]

Check the current price

Ack too

[rigid snow]

oh true

[rigid snow]

no

ack shall suffice

[opaque wharf]

Reporting battery level

[tender river]

i think it can be useful to avoid persistent memory

[opaque wharf]

But then it would reset every reboot

[rigid snow]

you don’t need persistent memory anyways if they’re always on

[tender river]

thats fine as long as the network is online

shutdowns:

[opaque wharf]

I don't know. I prefer less chatter on the RF side of things if possible

[rigid snow]

one dies, you go swap it

[opaque wharf]

Just the batteries

[tender river]

if it only does it on boot it wont really affect much

[opaque wharf]

True I guess. But I still prefer that if the device turns on, it doesn't need ANY interaction for the user because of battery swap.

First time setup only

After that, just price change

[rigid snow]

well now yes, in the 90s tho? you avoid power independent memory when you can

especially where cost quickly adds up

[opaque wharf]

You need persistent memory anyway to make them addressable

Even 32-byte is more than enough for unique ID and some price or other metadata

[tender river]

you can do that with rom

just put their serial in there

[olive sable]

I wonder how good base 4 is. Like our dna is base 4 so it should be good?

[opaque wharf]

I guess I'm not old enough to truly use ROM

[rough bloom]

wdym "good"

[opaque wharf]

Base 4 can transmit more information per the same symbol count because they have more symbol

[tender river]

this is groundbreaking

we should all switch to base36

[rigid snow]

guys base 1024 is superior because you’ll never need anything more than one digit to represent any number for thousands of years of scientific progress to come

[tender river]

true! switch to hieroglyphs for numeration

[opaque wharf]

Well, if you didn't know how Wi-Fi is transmitted I don't know what to tell you guys

They certainly didn't use a single symbol for single bit

[tender river]

are you talking about erasure coding?

[rough bloom]

Base2^64

[opaque wharf]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrature_amplitude_modulation

802.11 is QAM

[rigid snow]

wait this is the stupidest shit i’ve ever written, numbers past 1023 have not been discovered yet and won’t be for thousands of years apparently

[olive sable]

Like would the extra complexity be worth it?

[opaque sigil]

No

[opaque wharf]

For computing? No

For data transmission, depends on your medium

[rough bloom]

well, do you have a reason to use Base 4? what would you be using it for?

[rigid snow]

computing is inherently binary because of how transistors behave

also it’s the minimum amount of states to represent anything, can’t represent much with base 1 i’m afraid

[opaque wharf]

I should add, general purpose computing

As some specialized computing can be more efficiently done in analog or other system

[rigid snow]

yep that’s what i meant

[opaque sigil]

Off

[sick owl]

https://github.com/kyutai-labs/delayed-streams-modeling

Kyutai just open sourced their latest ultra low latency STT system

[olive sable]

Idk

Im just studying biology rn

[rough bloom]

oh

[sick owl]

VAD included

[sour harness]

Kyutai STT models are optimized for real-time usage, can be batched for efficiency, and return word level timestamps Timestamps let's go

[opaque wharf]

But is DNA truly base 4 tho? Aren't the protein always pair?

[rough bloom]

then no, no need for base 4 particularly

[opaque sigil]

Yeah it'd be binary too since iirc the two pairs are also always in the same orientation (could be wrong on that)

[stark needle]

nyoom

[sick owl]

vllm out of the box but it queries models through http so should be easy to use any framework with it

[opaque wharf]

No, the orientation just didn't matter. But the ATCG (IIRC), always pair to exactly one. So A will always to T, and T is always to A

That means A and T are equal symbol so to speak

[olive sable]

No they arent.
You have A and T/U, C and G
They can appear any way they want

A and T dont get treated as the same

[opaque sigil]

Guess I misremembered then

[opaque wharf]

I mean because the pairing

[opaque sigil]

It's been a couple years

[rough bloom]

"0.5 second delay" "2.5 second delay" ultra low latency
apparently they reduced the effective delay after end of speech from 500ms to 125ms at least, can probably do better than that too

[opaque wharf]

DNA proteins always come in pairs no? It's the RNA that is not (if my biology is not shit)

[olive sable]

Yes

But that doesnt mean its base 2

Its still base 4

[sour harness]

This is sooo useful

[opaque wharf]

Yeah maybe I remember it incorrectly.

[opaque sigil]

Base 4 would imply 16 combinations though

[opaque wharf]

Yes, that is also what I was thinking

[opaque sigil]

Wait no

I'm stupid

Idk

I need a nap

[opaque wharf]

OH RIGHT NO IT DOESN'T

0-1-2-3 are the symbol

[opaque sigil]

I deal with global alignment like once a year and then I forget all about DNA until the next time

[olive sable]

You have 4 options for the first codon, 4 options for the 2nd codon, and 4 for the 3rd.
So 4^3 meaning 64 options for aminoacids

Of which 61 get used

Other 3 are stops

[opaque sigil]

Yeah

I think numbers are pretty cringe, we should get rid of them

[olive sable]

Lmao

Programming is now bitwise only

[rough bloom]

https://github.com/diwu1990/UnarySim
unary computing is a thing
kinda cheating though, they're still using bits, just one at a time

[opaque wharf]

It feels like something that should be published on SIGBOVIK instead

[rough bloom]

ikr
didn't expect to see a PyTorch implementation with a serious goal and awards and stuff

[maiden geyser]

astronomy
how do you get that

[tender river]

i wonder what they teach in there

the 2021 me's desktop was so cringe

4 proprietary apps and vscode in hotbar

[pastel nymph]

when did you switch to nvim?

[tender river]

no idea

realistically in 2022 because i was feeling like absolute shit when i had to waste so much time in uni i was desperate to learn anything in my free time

[potent hazel]

Hey guys , do you guys have any recommend aivtuber on GitHub to try? I am having trouble on running kimjammer , been stuck for a day now. And my Gemini run out of service til tmrw

[ruby timber]

Discord Canary

[lament lark]

How easy is Python for data analysis/visualization? I'm used to writing everything in C/C++

[fossil flume]

Should I code an AI Vtuber to compete with Vedal lol

[noble zodiac]

goddamn the bingo is eating good today

[sour harness]

Many others have tried, so go right ahead

[nocturne olive]

No point, you can't compete with Neuro

[olive sable]

Do yall call clang
Klang or c-lang?

[fossil flume]

For real?

[sour harness]

clang, link a sound effect

[nocturne olive]

Neuro saturates the market already, no space for any others, especially considering making something even as good as Neuro would be quite hard

[fossil flume]

I mean, I think the AI Vtuber field is still pretty new, so I think there's still some chance:)

[sour harness]

Starting from a point of competition will not work. Create something that you think others will enjoy and go from there.

[nocturne olive]

Not really, Neuro took everything there is, at least in her niche
If you wanted to AIVT you'd want to do something new rather than the same thing again

[fossil flume]

I think I will have to code something that's really better

[sour harness]

How do you even quantify "better"?

[nocturne olive]

Making something "better" with an LLM won't really get you anywhere, you'd want to do something completely new like an entirely different architecture with some kind of advantages over LLMs

[fossil flume]

At that point Id just get a phd lol

[nocturne olive]

At least it'd be more productive than making just another LLM AIVT

[opaque wharf]

Exactly