programming

[olive sable]

got the rotation matrices mostly... working

[faint sandal]

long as some level of compensation is involved and our topic is unique enough

[noble zodiac]

submit something for the 39c3

[faint sandal]

we're likely not going to consider EU again anytime soon

simply too far and too expensive

[gritty dust]

No music sadge

But looking good sam

[faint sandal]

we also almost had trouble finding a suitable flight because many of them required a transfer flight in... Hong Kong

in which we'd most likely uh

yeah

[rough bloom]

he sure is rotating

[olive sable]

do you want me to put free bird or funky town over it everytime i post here?

[gritty dust]

Yes haha

[olive sable]

[gritty dust]

[noble zodiac]

I'm at the chaos communication congress almost every year. its like a holiday

[olive sable]

web is fucked, like ussual Failed to load glTF

theres always some inconsistencies between local and web

[opaque wharf]

Make the transformation like the banned gif

[olive sable]

i woul if i had the them

but i dont have them

[opaque wharf]

For AI developer this may be an interesting read

https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/LSB10922.html

[olive sable]

does this only apply in the usa?

[desert wave]

Vedal one day off the rum

[opaque wharf]

Yè, but interesting read nonetheless

[olive sable]

ill read it but i think that i can safely ignore it then

works created by humans with the assistance of generative AI might be entitled to copyright protection depending on the nature of human involvement in the creative process.

i guess if we create another song with ai voicelines, we could still copyright it then

[rough bloom]

that "might" is doing a lot of work there

[opaque wharf]

The problem is you need to perform some processing to that output

[olive sable]

true

the instrumental is 100% copyrightable cuz we did that ourselves. the voice is ai based tho

[opaque wharf]

Because in the article, I think it is generally agreed that the AI output alone, even if it went through a meticulous user input/parameterization, cannot be copyrightable

[olive sable]

ok

i guess that rules out copyrighting neurosynth output

[trim valve]

are these inconsistencies in shader stuff or just how code executes

because the first one makes sesnse but the second

[opaque wharf]

But now it begs the question, even if using generative AI technology, what is the difference between audio output generative AI and voice synthesizer

[olive sable]

its mainly the difference between the compilers i think. emscripten likes very specific things

like this for example

this worked on local but emcc is complaining

[trim valve]

hm

those are just warnings but still

how are you compiling it for native

[olive sable]

it did cause this tho, im prettys ure

[gritty dust]

Something so horizontal is so hard to read on my phone haha

[olive sable]

all:
    g++ -O3 -Isrc -Isrc/include -Lsrc/lib -o main src/main.cpp -lmingw32 -lSDL2main -lSDL2 -lSDL2_image -lSDL2_ttf -lopengl32 -lglew32
run:
    ./main

[trim valve]

icic

idk I'm personally a -Wall enjoyer

[olive sable]

the wall aproaches

lets try it lmao

its not that bad actually

most of it is just from test code

[opaque sigil]

Are you sure they're targeting the same cpp standard

[rough bloom]

The wall exists for a reason

[rough bloom]

could be that or differences between GCC and Clang

[opaque sigil]

I hope this isn't a gcc vs clang thing

deprecations seem like they should be due to the standard

[gritty dust]

I'm giving up it's like impossible to read on phone lol,

[olive sable]

Just turn yourphone

[opaque sigil]

Either way don't use g++, use clang++

There's no reason for you to compile with two different compilers

[gritty dust]

how did I not think of that lol, it worksss

I am dumb as hell holy

[olive sable]

Or zoom in

[rough bloom]

nah, let him use different compilers, at least that way it's portable
free extra testing

[opaque wharf]

I turned my phone along the z axis. Now what?

[gritty dust]

I meant if I zoomed in I'd have to scroll 10 years to the right to see the rest lol

[olive sable]

Idk

[opaque sigil]

Looks like this has been deprecated as of c++20 so either ignore it or add -std=c++17 to both compilation commands idk

I think clang 20 defaults to c++20 so I guess that explains why emcc doesn't like it

[wet basin]

sam

MGuraEyes

[olive sable]

Yes

[wet basin]

neurosHug~1

[tight tinsel]

nuro tag

[thorny marsh]

the best way to stop something from being annoying is to do it so often that it becomes a chore

maybe even a habit

[opaque wharf]

Gae again

[wet basin]

dude just declares I am gay

[thorny marsh]

Are you

[wet basin]

no

[thorny marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-edited-message-cat-eating-watermelon-gif-12651679745378723106

[thorny marsh]

what are you then

[wet basin]

I am straight

and I am hoshi

[opaque wharf]

Don't worry, it's a meter. If the gay'o'meter is too high then I drop the bomb again

[dark idol]

Yo, I want to become a programmer and create websites, can you recommend any language to start with?

[olive sable]

check the pins

[tender river]

typescript is used for websites, and you can write the backend with it too

you will also obviously have to learn html and css

other than that, yes check pins

[dark idol]

o,thx really,i think its be long path but funny

[tender river]

you can go to this page and it links some resource in the bottom https://www.typescriptlang.org/docs/handbook/typescript-from-scratch.html

[dark idol]

Thank you, this will really help me, at least I think so.

[stark needle]

hi hi hi hi hi

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

shad

[uneven pulsar]

hi scadu

[molten island]

no js?

[opaque sigil]

[sour harness]

obligatory https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat

[trim valve]

exam completed

[gritty dust]

Yay

[hoary lion]

pog

[sage crag]

now try ==

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

good

[gritty dust]

hey the more equals the better

[sage crag]

ive heard horror

[opaque sigil]

90% of the "horror" can be avoided by just not using == thankfully

[gritty dust]

I kinda want to use === in my code and send it to my teacher to see how he reacts lol

[tender river]

when using js as god intended (for one-off scripts you put on your web page) == is actually good

[opaque sigil]

there's like one legitimate use case for it and it's catching both null & undefined at once

[gritty dust]

Wait 3 equals is a thing we haven't learned that yet lol

[opaque sigil]

that's uhhh, concerning

[gritty dust]

(we're doing c++ and python java is next year

[opaque sigil]

oh

then it makes sense

=== is a js thing

[gritty dust]

Yeahhh that makes sense

[opaque sigil]

cause == does type coercion which is how you end up with all the seemingly random equalities

[gritty dust]

[opaque sigil]

it's kinda fucked cause depending on the types involved it actually does multiple coercions

so [1] == 1 for example turns into "1" == 1 and then 1 == 1 iirc

[knotty current]

neuroAwareA

[noble zodiac]

very intuitive

[opaque sigil]

[tender river]

throw completion? does that mean it catches exceptions and returns false or does it mean it throws?

all those ?s and !s are confusing me

[opaque sigil]

i think it means it throws

https://tc39.es/ecma262/#sec-throwcompletion

[tender river]

exceptions on loose equality

[opaque sigil]

there are assertions inside some of the conversion functions, maybe that's what they mean?

nvm they explicitly say the assertions shouldn't need to be checked by implementions

ah i found it

here's where it could theoretically throw

cool so TIL

[midnight sigil]

https://projects.blender.org/blender/blender/pulls/140596

hurray the stupid compositor node bug is going to be fixed

now I can continue crash down on Blender 4.5's comp nodes

[sage crag]

r

[midnight sigil]

r

I wonder what is the most popular language used by #programming

[opaque sigil]

Given this is a neuro server probably python unfortunately

[midnight sigil]

I think it would be rust though ngl

[tender river]

dont think so

[rough bloom]

depends on how you count it I guess
if it's just about how much it comes up then it's hblang
actual usage? probably something stupid like JS/TS or Python, maybe also Nix

[tender river]

great now i have to repackage iopaint and also remember how i did denoising

[midnight sigil]

[noble zodiac]

english

[sage crag]

m

[tender river]

i'd rather use js thaank you very much

[sage crag]

@stark needle one :NOTPogHd: please

[tender river]

software

WHY IS THE PACKAGE NAMED IOPaint WHILE THE SOURCE DISTRIBUTION ISNAMED iopaint-1.6.0.tar.gz

whatever.

[quick flame]

makes sense to me

[tender river]

no

[stone flint]

That question would probably fit more for #artist-alley

[gritty dust]

Python or JS is my guess

[stark needle]

[opaque sigil]

ah yes, thanks for cutting that off right there google

[faint sandal]

because...

OK

[sage crag]

konii fun fact

i am not on the moon today

[tender river]

chayleaf fun fact

i am

[sage crag]

you are, or are you

?

[tender river]

i am

[sage crag]

darn

[uneven pulsar]

i fear no AI

but this

this scares me

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-neuro-evil-neuro-gif-18070405790292729572

unlike grok who doesn't even

[nocturne olive]

Can an unstable memory overclock (that works fine for at least the first day) cause:

• 100% reproducible task manager crashes
• atrociously bad performance
• lag when trying to close stuff
  or should I consider that as Windows being stupid?

(all of those only appeared around a day after the initial startup with the overclock)

[opaque wharf]

Overclocking anything may degrade performance yes. So it could be, try tuning it down a bit

[uneven pulsar]

or just see if turning it off magically fixse

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that too. If it fixed by turning off the OC then dialing it down may help

Otherwise, god save windows

[nocturne olive]

I rebooted and everything is back to normal
I guess I have to see if it does it again (the OC is still on)

Also gonna run a memory stress test for longer than 1.5 hours I guess

[ruby timber]

[nocturne olive]

First time I've pushed the timings below linear, as before I was just upping frequency (maxed out frequency at 3800)

[tender river]

cococococo

[maiden geyser]

ayaye coco jambo

[uneven pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/kokonuts-vtuber-fail-gif-4826286228660744822

[stark eagle]

Hi everyone I am in robotics as I wanted to further my programming skills I was doing what's called a kiwi bot. essentially a robot that a triangle a wheel on each side of the triangle. I had everything working for the most part It's in java. I wanted to do field centric but I was only ever able to do field centric backwards I never had any help as all my class mates prefered block based code but I used Intellij more or less the same thing as well as using what's called called first robotics. My team went to worlds 3 times in a row and hopefuly continue that streak we havent won worlds yet tho on first inspire FTC. Basicly this project was my own specifically for the class for whatever reason I could never get field centric working on the robot I was working on I don't have the code to reference. Could somebody explain how I would get it working on the robot I was working on I like to learn even after I never was able to test the final iteration. Sorry for the long explanation I tend to ramble all over the place just how my brain works. Id apperciate if someone could help me I wanna buy my own robot parts eventually but currently can't afford them so I can't do any tests. Cheers

again sorry for the ramble I can't stop when I am on a tangent I don't understand it myself tho if someone could give me an answear it would be much apperciated. More so the math portion of the code as I think that's where I went wrong

[opaque wharf]

Have you tried this? This is also in Java
https://gm0.org/en/latest/docs/software/tutorials/mecanum-drive.html#field-centric-final-sample-code

Oh, you were using track

But I think the principle should still hold

[stark eagle]

yea I've looked everywhere it due to how over complicated I made everything my teacher was absolutely befouled(I think thats the right word) on how much I had as I wanted to have as many safty messures and my teacher can't program so I was on my own I did go through that tho the closest I got was it being back wards. I used theta as the unknown angle and I just never fully got it working. I am curious if you could explain it

[opaque wharf]

Basically to remotely drive a robot from the frame of reference of the field, the robot will need to know the heading it's facing relative to the field north.

[stark eagle]

I was limited to what I had aswell I had four motors for 3 for each wheel 1 for the arm and I remember how over kill the arm is. Some how I believe I managed to get it to move in 2 directions with a motor

[stark eagle]

Yea I know I had that working I don't understand why it didn't I wish I had a refrence I had alot of debug messures aswell

realistically my robot was over kill and way above what I was supposed to do I just really enjoy doing something that I have no idea about and just doing it. hence why I am so fixated on why it never worked

I am gonna see If I atleast have an old version of the code somewhere

[opaque wharf]

I kinda don't have my college material on me so this will have to do. See, if you give the command to move to 0 degree (North), you don't have to do anything

But let's say the robot is now heading around 45 degree

You have two options. First is to do the rotation first, then the translation

[stark eagle]

not exactly as there is a wheel on the back remember in a triangle type I used I created the "front" left and right. essentially all of it mostly worked it's when set up everything is when it stopped

Ill send a rough look to what it looked like

[opaque wharf]

Or you could perform the turning manuever by calculating the center of rotation

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, the process is the same. The difference is just for the driving equation when doing forward kinematic and inverse kinematic

Like, no matter the robot construction, you will have to do counter rotation by 45 degree first. That is governed by the kinematic system

But to do field centric drive doesn't depend on that

Is your triangle robot using omni wheel?

Then that makes it even simpler to reason about

[stark eagle]

here let me explain it better

essentially I had Front Left Right and Back Front is controlled by two wheels back and forth. The Back is controlled by the back wheel aka the third side. like I said I had it backwards but even reversing the math and everything could not fix it maybe faulty parts I don't know. Front is always facing the forwards when you move left on the joystick it would correct itself so front is facing left now. because I had to also adjust powers as I needed to make sure everything worked. I had a week to do it so not much time as I didn't start building the final robot by the week prior

[warped narwhal]

or you can combine the transforms into one matrix and then they will both be applied at the same time

[olive sable]

good evening guys. i may or may not have fallen asleep while studying

[stark eagle]

I got the math for the left right to tell the robot thats yaw then used the back to run the motor so it's facing forwards and the left and right to run to that position

[stark eagle]

good evening well what were you studying?

[olive sable]

math

[stark eagle]

oh neat I love just learning the formulas for math something so satisfying about it

[olive sable]

the geometry part does x towards you, y to the right, and z up.
its fucked up

[opaque wharf]

I'm sorry, I still fail to understand it. Try to reformulate you question and the problems you're trying to solve maybe

[opaque wharf]

Welcome to robotics lol

[olive sable]

i like my minecraft/opengl and blender world spaces

[stark eagle]

Well geomentry tends to be more fun when your doing it other than that it's anoying

[stark eagle]

Based

[trim valve]

?? that's literally blender

[olive sable]

nah, when i use blender i put x to the right

[stark eagle]

yea I thought you would I think I over complicated when doing so but I can't really do any testing as I am broke as shit and can't afford parts

[craggy reef]

I’m not very good at coding, but I have a question.

Vedal mentioned a bug let Neuro-Sama have access to his location. I was wondering how this is even possible since I was under the impression that computers can’t do anything unless you program them to do that thing, and Vedal wouldn’t sit down and code a “let Neuro see where I live” function.

Plus I don’t know how computer location tracking works, but I though in order to access data you had to go get it from the place it is in the memory, which means you need to know where it is in the memory. How would Neuro know what it is and where it is in the memory?
Also can she just access the whole computers memory and pull whatever she wants all the time? I didn’t think that was how that worked.

[warped narwhal]

she can make web requests, so chances are she asked google "what is my location" and got the rough answer

[craggy reef]

Oooohhhhhhh

[stark eagle]

they could ask what's my ip and they could do the same

[warped narwhal]

nah, IP's are innacurate to all hell in the uk

[trim valve]

it depends

[olive sable]

to me dns server is more accurate than ip

[stark eagle]

oh I am in canada so It deffitly diffrent tho I imagine public ips stay the same

Or if she is given access she can just use a terminal

[opaque wharf]

A chart of every coordinate basis used for which software

[warped narwhal]

my IP says that I live just west of london, which is 550km from my actually place

[olive sable]

noted

[stark eagle]

is that public ip or is that your routers ip

[stark eagle]

triangulating location now

[warped narwhal]

curl ipv4.icanhazip.com

[opaque wharf]

Now all of china knows you live within 550 km somewhere in the radius west of London

[tender river]

i got refused a purchase once because the payment operator thought i use a vpn because my ip was 3000km away from my billing address (i was literally at home and not using a vpn)

[craggy reef]

Wait but he said it was for a week would she not have been able to do that before 2 weeks ago?

[stark eagle]

one giant circle we got em

[warped narwhal]

meh, she will have always been able to do it, but probably just never had the reason too. "haha I have your location" has a limited amount of places/situations where it is funny, and neuro has been programmed to choose the most entertaining option

[craggy reef]

She’s done it before.

[stark eagle]

alright sending bombs around london in a circle with a circumfrence 3455.75191895km your fucked

[trim valve]

my isp was showing my rural town :)

[warped narwhal]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[gritty dust]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[trim valve]

and my current one shows the city which is enough to narrow down where I live

[warped narwhal]

america tends to have more accurate estimations (assuming you're in america)

[trim valve]

I am not

[warped narwhal]

cause they sell all your data over there

[trim valve]

thank fuck

I live in the uk

[warped narwhal]

you dodged a bullet

well, if you live in england then you have to deal with being english

so you're not much better off

[hoary lion]

chat, do we prefer z axis for up or y axis for up

[opaque wharf]

*Neuro cuss you

[hoary lion]

I actually now no longer have any preference

both seems right

[stark eagle]

If someone wanted ones data they would just search you up the internet is so easy to access now your information is bound to already be out there

[olive sable]

do people really prefer the american accent over the english one?

[opaque wharf]

Z up. You people see a white board and think, "ahh yes, Z must be forward/backward". I see my notebook and see the Z axis coming to my face

[hoary lion]

like if we go math math

z up seems right

but due to minecraft

[olive sable]

as long as z isnt going to the right im not commiting any crimes

[hoary lion]

smh

[stark eagle]

I know I hate when they have pop up books z axis always aims for my eyes

[trim valve]

people just like different

[opaque wharf]

What is the one used by directX again?

[olive sable]

i got my results from my physics exam pog

[stark eagle]

Meh I would just do it for funzies

[opaque wharf]

RHS, Y-up right?

[gritty dust]

what did you gett

[opaque wharf]

His results

[olive sable]

8/10, 8/10, 8/10, 6/10, 5/10, 8/10

[tender river]

When drawing something, it makes sense that x is right and y is up; then, z is naturally towards or behind you, whatever it is (dont remember it). When charting something like coordinates, it makes more sense to use x as right and y as forward, then z becomes the vertical axis.

Basically, imo it makes sense to use whatever is least important for the domain as the z axis; though this may be questionable math wise

[hoary lion]

what was 5/10 about

[thorny marsh]

thank u shuni

[hoary lion]

finally got the display

[thorny marsh]

actually wait why is it running at 60hz lobotomy

[opaque wharf]

Dat swap

[olive sable]

something about the raw power of a wave. i said something about planck but he wanted a diffrent formula

[tender river]

you have to configure it obviously

[thorny marsh]

NeuroDerp

[dry charm]

letss gooo, welcome to the nix side

[opaque wharf]

I like my arch

[olive sable]

[dry charm]

Then use arch! Thats the best part, that everyone can use the one that works for them

[hoary lion]

was it not E = h*f

[opaque wharf]

Arch is structurally sound and can bear a ton of load by distributing the stress

[dry charm]

fuck elitism and gatekeeping OSes

[thorny marsh]

use windows Smuge

[stark eagle]

LINUX brother LINUX or you can attempt to root your windows

[olive sable]

ye thats planck, thats not what he wanted. he wanted something something k^2 /2 idk

[hoary lion]

kinetic energy or somewhat, idk

[dry charm]

I mean, if someone wants to use Windows, then so be it! I (will try) not push Linux on them but if they ask Linux all the way (situations may differ from user to user)

[olive sable]

i gave that k = m * omega^2, which gave me half points

[thorny marsh]

we need everybody on linux tho that will fix everything neuroClueless

[opaque wharf]

*Take a look at Sam

[olive sable]

wdym?

[stark eagle]

I agree I like windows for it's ease but when I am doing anything other than gaming or anything that doesn't like linux I am using it but if I am doing anything between I am using linux dualbooting it at least tho with debian I have had less issues than arch surprisingly

[olive sable]

i bet 50 bucks im eventually gonna change to a dualboot system

[dry charm]

Slowly all games will work flawlessly on Linux

[olive sable]

windows for games, and linux for work

[dry charm]

for me it's linux for games, windows for work

I'm forced to use Windows cause IIS

[stark eagle]

I mean xbox and asus is doing some nice thing with linux

[dry charm]

Sadly no, Asus and Microsoft are rolling out a gaming windows with their new ROG

[stark eagle]

root windows it is possible tho takes alot of finesse

[opaque wharf]

Oddly enough, me too

Fuck closed-source vendor program

[stark eagle]

WHAT

[dry charm]

nah, if I would care, I would do a windows VM or make it work on linux

[stark eagle]

NOOOOO

[stark eagle]

true

[dry charm]

https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/rog-ally-2-faq

IT has a new, weird explorer-less windows on it

[stark eagle]

the only reason I dualboot over a vm is I am using a gaming laptop and it does not like VMS

[dry charm]

Which makes it a bit ??? for me, cause why not just use xbox as a base?! It is already x86_64

[stark eagle]

I think it's so they get free playstation exclusives

[trim valve]

I'm too used to windows 😔

[stark eagle]

honestly if it works and enough people fight for more access I say just stick with it

[trim valve]

also wsl strikes the right balance of comfort for me

though I wish usb stuff was easier

[opaque wharf]

You know its probably easier to chop off windows BS than to add features to support more games without the game developer has to do anything

[stark eagle]

Oh yea I forgot about those I haven't tried a WSL yet

[dry charm]

Honestly I cannot wait for game issues to arise due to missing explorer related stuff

[stark eagle]

But Xbox now has playstation exclusives I mean honestly lowkey smart

God Of War on xbox goes hard

Honestly I am just waiting for nintendo to throw in the towel and add there games on pc

[noble zodiac]

why would they do that when they are winning?

[stark eagle]

cause as long as I have pokemon nintendo can go fuck itself right through there giant assholes

[stark eagle]

Well I havent bought an nintendo product since the 3ds

[noble zodiac]

I'm sure that will crash the market for them

[stark eagle]

yup 1 person vs nintendo

I got this

[noble zodiac]

the switch 2 is the fastest selling console of all time and it has a single game

[stark eagle]

it's funny how everyone hating on it flipped there switch upon release

but I refuse to gobble anymore of nintendos dick they have screwed me over too many times.

that was too graphic I regret saying that

[opaque sigil]

The goal is that certain components do not start until you switch to desktop mode and actually need them

[thorny marsh]

i forgot to state (here) that i decided to install nix on my 16tb seagate exos drive instead of my main nvme ssd (because, well, i dont wanna have grub and windows share the same disk due to dualbooting issues and i cant afford an ssd atm) UNFOCUS

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

[stark eagle]

Shoot did I say that

[sage crag]

a little bit

[open copper]

bro

[olive sable]

you might want to consider not saying that

[sage crag]

HEIR YOUR NAME

IT HAS COLOURS

[stark eagle]

Sorry I don't know what came over me

[sage crag]

wow

[open copper]

i had a glowup

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

so shiny

[stark eagle]

I mean sometimes it happens to the best of us right

[olive sable]

does it?

i dont think it does

you might be too down bad

[sage crag]

possibly

[stark eagle]

Yea I think you might be

[olive sable]

lets ignore my statements from yesterday

[stark eagle]

Honestly I fully deserve that warn something took over

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

What happened here?

[sage crag]

the evil

[opaque wharf]

Need any bomb?

[sage crag]

no bomb

[olive sable]

only a small one

1 message

[opaque wharf]

I only have the tutel image one

I'm considering deleting it since everytime I open my gallery his face greets me

[thorny marsh]

here, of *all * places bro 😭

[stark eagle]

It just happened something came over me the neuron activated and I acted upon it

[olive sable]

bro just has no self control

[stark eagle]

You might be on to something

[opaque wharf]

I forgot where I got this meme. By chance, did any one of you send this here before?

[sage crag]

banned for this

[olive sable]

bro forgot this is #programming

[opaque wharf]

Hey, I tried to find who sent me that

[drifting cradle]

i didn't send that

[sage crag]

i didnt either

im gonna puke that looks so gross

[olive sable]

[drifting cradle]

why did he chew it

[sage crag]

how are you gonna eat an egg without chewing it?

???

[olive sable]

would you rather have him swallow the egg whole?

[opaque wharf]

Touchè

[stark eagle]

I do it just got to make sure my throat is nice and moist

[olive sable]

brother are you high?

[opaque wharf]

Alright so the criminal that sent it to me isn't here at least

[sage crag]

brother you are the criminal

[olive sable]

[stark eagle]

Not yet(surprisingly I have never been high or planned on being high.)

[opaque wharf]

Anyone wanna share the curse to #general-network ?

[sage crag]

not really

[olive sable]

no

[sage crag]

hblang update, nothing changed

but it is programming

[opaque wharf]

Rare

[olive sable]

hblang pog

[stark eagle]

what goes in programming stays in programming

[tender river]

@real sierra i have defeated the speedlines with the power of krita assistants surely i'll stop hating them now

[sage crag]

surely

[olive sable]

mods have been pinged

scatter

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

[tender river]

AAAAAAAAAAGH

they still scare me

[sage crag]

:SpeedR: :SpeedR:

[opaque wharf]

If they dare to open the channel that is

[tender river]

but i will overcome this

i am stronger

[real sierra]

nah they would never

[sage crag]

imagine if shiro came here

lol

[stark eagle]

Man and I thought id live another day mods please mercy

[opaque wharf]

Have you seen some shit that happens here? They are afraid of what happens here

[olive sable]

shiro? who?

[stark eagle]

actually I am not scarred strike me down mods you don't have the balls

[real sierra]

yeah the mods must be terrified of us

[stark eagle]

yea

[sage crag]

is there some serious ness going on right now

[stark eagle]

I mean naturally I am very intimidating there shaking in there boots

[olive sable]

it would be funny tho.
give him a 3 day timout

[stark eagle]

was there ever

[tender river]

i do indeed feel a catastrophic lack of glue in here

[stark eagle]

My sheer power emanating off of me right now they would not have a chance

[real sierra]

[tender river]

thank you shiro

[sage crag]

thanks

glue in programming chat

[stark eagle]

yea I mean what else am I supposed to drink water never

[sage crag]

non programming context

[olive sable]

[stark eagle]

we will now stick together shoulder by shoulder

[hard raptor]

Programming? How interesting

[real sierra]

glue (the UI layout prototype)

[olive sable]

is it just me or does #programming have more normie topics now?

i feel like it was more nerd shit a year ago

[opaque wharf]

Do you prefer we go deep dive into how mov is turing complete again?

[sage crag]

glew (opengl extension wrangler library)

[olive sable]

sure

[sage crag]

glewless

[olive sable]

i do happen to have glew

[tender river]

should've used libc

[opaque wharf]

GL-eww

[real sierra]

gloo (a cold dome with no eyes)

[tender river]

(libc wh)

[sage crag]

libc is a scam

hblang doesnt need it, you dont either

[tender river]

its made by the big C to sell more C

[rough bloom]

the consequences of being one of the topmost channels in the server
it was better when it was buried under everything else

[olive sable]

glew

[real sierra]

I miss the days where the math channel existed

I was like the only user tho

[sage crag]

i miss the days when #osu existed (i was not here)

[opaque wharf]

What did you do there? Shit on ZFC?

[tender river]

why is the object of morphisms lying

[real sierra]

hey what's wrong with ZFC

[tender river]

it should be telling the truth

[stark eagle]

Sir it's your birthday I see I wish can you put that really cringy it's your birthday with like the dinosour costume I swear this isn't a fever dream

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

?

[opaque wharf]

Nothing. Maybe you're one of those that reject the C

[sage crag]

OH

i know what this hooligan is talking about i think

[real sierra]

the correctness of the C depends on the answer you want

it's silly to argue whether it should or shouldn't be there in general

choice of axioms is ultimately a question of interpretation of the problem

[olive sable]

C the language?

[opaque wharf]

The axiom

[sage crag]

strictly on topic

[opaque wharf]

Of choice

[stark eagle]

I am kidding my bad

[olive sable]

in cas you havent noticed

[stark eagle]

can I get a tutorial

[olive sable]

shiro is always birthday

[sage crag]

no

well, maybe, i dont know

[olive sable]

[stark eagle]

I really need it man I am like physically incapable

[sage crag]

oh, shame

[stark eagle]

I have a disease that strictly restricts me from doing so it's called offtoposis

[stark eagle]

probably why I don't stick to one project at a time

[thorny marsh]

hi shir

[tender river]

shiro what is your favorite set

mine is the empty set by the way

[sage crag]

my favourite set is the set of all sugar crystals

[opaque wharf]

My favorite is the set that contains itself

Just to be chaos incarnate

[sage crag]

its size is uhhh

[tender river]

its size is 1 as long as it only contains itself

[olive sable]

more than 1

[opaque wharf]

Dang

[sage crag]

no, its like a pointer

[opaque sigil]

0

[sage crag]

ptr that points to itself is still size of 1 ptr

it just has infinite depth

[olive sable]

so does a pointer not count as a value?

[sage crag]

pointer points to value. pointers are values. if a pointer points to itself, the size of the pointer doesnt change, because pointers have (generally) one size

[olive sable]

i guess then its fully empty, as longas there are no other values in the set

[sage crag]

its not empty, it contains itself

1 element

[olive sable]

but itself is only filled with itslef, so its meaningless

there is nothing of substance

[tender river]

let me demonstrate

though its a list that only contains itself

[tender river]

its essentially equivalent to a singleton set since a singleton list

[opaque wharf]

Hey, this is not #artist-alley

[sage crag]

i will draw you programming

[opaque wharf]

Weird threat, but ok

[stark eagle]

me next

[sage crag]

no sorry

1 person per century

[stark eagle]

I knew that ticket was overpriced

[tender river]

thank you AI for this very clean and completely not visibly AI generated foreground removal

[sage crag]

the ambiguous green mass

[stark eagle]

I say it looks perfect

[warped narwhal]

also strictly on topic

[sage crag]

i can read links

[warped narwhal]

[olive sable]

ah yes

[sage crag]

i think most people have this video id memorised

[opaque wharf]

Just the last XcQ

[tender river]

this is why links should be aes-encrypted with random bytes prepended and a globally known decryption key

[sage crag]

wrong order

[warped narwhal]

No you can't 🪄
-# Only you can see this message • Dismiss message

[sage crag]

try harder

[olive sable]

i thought other people couldnt send stuff liek that you anyways?

[opaque wharf]

I still prefer this

[olive sable]

so like, who would fall for that?

[warped narwhal]

you'd be surprised

mostly those that don't know the in's and out's of discord

[olive sable]

nice embed lmao

[warped narwhal]

use <> around your link to remove embeds

aka:

[also strictly on topic](<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ>)

[opaque wharf]

<Like this?>

[sage crag]

no.

[opaque wharf]

Nope

Oh, like this

[warped narwhal]

there you go

[opaque wharf]

Noice

[warped narwhal]

then you can use a custom emoji like this:

and the small header (-#) to make it look like an ephemeral message

[olive sable]

web is working again

[sage crag]

em script who?

[olive sable]

the emcc command had grown even longer

emcc -O3 src/main.cpp -o output/main.html -I src -I src/include -I models --preload-file shaders --preload-file models -s USE_SDL=2 -s USE_SDL_IMAGE=2 -s USE_SDL_TTF=2 -s MAX_WEBGL_VERSION=2 --use-preload-plugins

at this point i should just put it in the makefile

[amber fractal]

Bash script

[olive sable]

no

im looking trought the json.hpp script to see where the warnings come from...

and holy fuck

https://tenor.com/view/steamed-hams-aurora-borealis-what-is-happening-fagetti-wtf-gif-16514726

[amber fractal]

@sage crag new graph just dropped

Jokes aside, who failed to bother to write a macro for this

[tender river]

it is, quite literally, a macro

[amber fractal]

Yeah ig it is

[olive sable]

found the line giving the warning, on line 26570....

even i never wrote a script that fucking long

[amber fractal]

Text editors must love dealing with files this small

[olive sable]

im runnig that local server rn too so im using 25gb ram rn

theres a reason i bought 64gb i guess

i wonder what to do with my other 64gb ram, seems like a waste to sell it

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

its only 3200 compared to this 3600, but still decent

[amber fractal]

Depends on if you have another computer ig

[olive sable]

i have my old pc, but the plan was to sell it. its been months tho so i doubt its ever leaving my house

might make a server out of it for the gamejam

[stray dragon]

i believe i sent that one on this server before

[amber fractal]

Not the worst idea

So time for it to be linux

[opaque sigil]

the c/c++ packaging is so bad that having a dependency as a single file is heaven in comparison

[olive sable]

fair

[tender river]

also its not called a script

[opaque wharf]

We found the culprit everyone

[olive sable]

whats the difrence?

[stray dragon]

egg

[olive sable]

egg

[opaque wharf]

See? I knew I wasn't crazy

[amber fractal]

hi t

[stray dragon]

hi iggly

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Bruh, ST doesn't even have STM32G431VBx3

[thorny marsh]

today i learned that linux very recently got a BSOD for the kernel panic

[opaque wharf]

Will it be CAN 2.0 or FDCAN. Only god knows

[opaque wharf]

Wait, they did?

[stray dragon]

weird that it's ssd related

[tender river]

did you know idris has built-in transmute

[thorny marsh]

yes, apparently since 6.12

[nocturne olive]

That would be funny
But note that sometimes getting a static IP or domain is pricy, depending on if you can do it with router configurations or not

[amber fractal]

Finally, useful bluescreen

[opaque wharf]

Just use cloudflare tunnel. Is free

[olive sable]

idd asume just port forward on my router, than run that through cloudflare?

so i dont leak my ip

[opaque wharf]

If your IP is public, yes

[nocturne olive]

I don't know, I just use a silly bypass thing with a router setting

[opaque wharf]

But sometimes residential ISP doesn't provide that OOTB

[olive sable]

whats OOTB?

[stray dragon]

out of the box

[opaque wharf]

Out-of-the-box

[rough bloom]

don't port forward if your IP isn't static
just use Cloudflare Tunnel, it's easier

[rigid snow]

actually just use cloudflare tunnels

it's op

[olive sable]

i losrt the ability to portforward anyways

[hard raptor]

Ngrok, bore.pub, tailscale....

[olive sable]

the new router doesnt have a web interface

old one did

[thorny marsh]

ikr

it also makes sharing using other devices way more convenient

[rough bloom]

I knew that some routers have incredibly limited functionality, but literally no interface?

[nocturne olive]

Anything that costs money or doesn't work directly without any setup on the client machines is not an option for me personally
And I have a router bypass anyway, so who cares

[olive sable]

im assuming the installer turned it off via usb

[rigid snow]

look up how to enable it then

[olive sable]

dont need it anyways, ill use cloudflare if need be

[opaque wharf]

I don't know how big is the latency tho

[rigid snow]

cool mentality

how do i be like you

[olive sable]

old one was the left one, now we have the right one

[amber fractal]

Use python instead of swiching to a decent lanuage for years mhm

[olive sable]

[hard raptor]

Bore.pub is entirely free

[nocturne olive]

Well, I don't know what it is

[olive sable]

me neither

[hard raptor]

Tcp tunnel

[olive sable]

they rebrand existing hardware

[rigid snow]

i'm not much better i'm maining js/ts

[nocturne olive]

And what does it map to? Where does the tunnel end?

[olive sable]

its something from sagemcom router

[nocturne olive]

And is there uage limits?

[olive sable]

we have unlimited

[amber fractal]

The diffrence is that js/ts doesn't have any other options, python does have much better options

[amber fractal]

We love unlimited

[rough bloom]

the latency added by CF Tunnel should be practically nothing compared to using Cloudflare normally, which would the case anyway to avoid leaking the origin IP
even when using Cloudflare the physical distance and ISP routing stupidity will probably be the majority of the latency for a lot of people

[rigid snow]

idk dioxus (wasm rust) is pretty good for what i do which is frontend, but i don't use it

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, fair point. Packet do be traveling round and round

[hard raptor]

Okay so basically, the command would look something like

$ /usr/bin/bore local <port> [--host <ip>] --to <bore_server>

Where bore_server can be either a selfhosted instance or just bore.pub
And then it will assign a port on the relay server that is linked to your app

And port 80 and 443 (standard http and https ports) link to their github

[amber fractal]

I've heard awhile ago WASM for elements is still lacking, but maybe it is getting better than when I last heard

[nocturne olive]

Seems particularly silly to me

[hard raptor]

I use it for all my stuff

[opaque wharf]

Nah, useful when behind a NAT

[nocturne olive]

Well, I guess I don't have to worry about that

[rigid snow]

also btw the latency is the same as proxying through cf regularly (the ddos protection orange cloud icon), it's just you initiating the request vs them so you can bypass NAT and firewalls

[amber fractal]

I wait until my upload is not 20mb compared to GB download to do decent serving

[sour mason]

i cant anymore ... I've been trying to import discord for my python chatbot for the past 30min now and shit aint working

[opaque wharf]

Only 1 ISP here that provides +50Mbps upload for residential. And even then, it's availability is limited

[amber fractal]

we love python for discord, it has no issues at all

[sour mason]

I have noticed

[rigid snow]

if someone here has a death note can you pls write python in

[amber fractal]

The #1 reason I don't use discord.py anymore

[amber fractal]

My current project is in python but I'd still be doing it

[sour mason]

does sb maybe know how i can fix that it cant resolve the package?

[amber fractal]

install a diffrent discord framework

[opaque wharf]

I'm a changed man after I know uv for python

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile me: Kotlin

[amber fractal]

https://interactions-py.github.io/interactions.py/ I prefer using interactions.py for discord

[hard raptor]

Nah, Serenity on rust

There should actually be a C/Rust port of serenity tho

[sour mason]

imma try it out tmr, thanks

for now I'll try gambling by changing the interpreter a bit

[amber fractal]

[sour mason]

What could go wrong

[mossy fossil]

linux
BSOD
what in the damnation that is systemd is that

[amber fractal]

I rember a vid awhile back saying systemd was going to add BSODS, seems like it now exists

Honestly, if you see BSODS as an issue then just I'd ask what you do prefer for easily grabbable debug infomation.

[opaque wharf]

The bit magically transferred via EM radiation of the CPU being made to compute in a certain pattern

[amber fractal]

Of course, how did I not think about that?

[mossy fossil]

systemd isn't even hiding the fact that they want to be just like windows (which means shit) anymore

[amber fractal]

I'd disagree with all of it being bad, just like every OS. Some parts are good, some are bad; and right now we don't have a very best solution.

[mossy fossil]

with windows, most are bad

and it gets worse as time goes on

i'll go with a sentence that Several UNIX Admins go with in regards to systemd: "If this is the solution, i want my problem back."

on a side observation: That BSOD looks like it helps with goddamn nothing.

it gives you a QR Code... Yay? that's it?

it accomplishes close to nothing.

[olive sable]

windows' bsod doens thelp much either tho

[mossy fossil]

Linux's Kernel Panic actually gave you a detailed memory dump on screen

where it showed WHERE exactly it failed

but no, let's go backwards and dumb shit down because "people are too stupid" or something

or "COM-Based Terminals/Debuggers are too antiquated" despite the fact they do the job just fine

hell, with a Terminal/Debugger you could also debug the kernel panic yourself.

instead "Make way for Systemd's Sorry Attempt at mimicking windows", because we haven't done that more times than not!

it all does not make sense for me.

instead of trying in vain to code something for people who shouldn't even use computers in the first place, use that effort to actually improve the software people actively use your platform in the first place. and not whatever red hat feels like doing it because they think they have "more power than god" on what becomes law in the linux world.

[wary rover]

Man, I like how interactive coding software is. Almost too interactive. Like I tried to fix some stuff, deleted main to see what's gonna happen and compiler just stopped working. Needed randomizer function and googled how to implement it. Turns out that I need to just type [rand = "0.8"] in a toml file and after doing that it just like "Gotcha fam" and downloaded something, and then BOOM I have a randomizer function. Coding is awesome. I still don't understand anything, but it's cool af

[sour harness]

Yeah, for stuff like that rust has a pretty good developer experience

[wary rover]

Can't wait to learn syntax properly and delve onto low-level stuff. Like physically moving bits inside of memory, how cool is that

Still can't really wrap my head around {} and ; difference. Like if I finished the block and defined the scope or compound expression, why do I need to terminate the statement with ; ? Why can't it understand it without the explicit ";"? Weird stuff

[tender river]

{ a; b; c; 5 } evaluates to 5, { a; b; c; 5; } evaluates to ()

(() is the type that contains nothing, also called unit)

you can try something like

println!("{:?}", { 5 });
println!("{:?}", { });
println!("{:?}", { 5; });

[wary rover]

As far as I understand type is like a well-defined operation, like square root in math. It does what it does and nothing else. And then we feed variables to it for transformations?

There are a lot of very similar concepts and I get mixed up in them for now

[tender river]

{ a; b; c; d } means:
evaluate a and discard its value
evaluate b and discard its value
evaluate c and discard its value
evaluate d and make the result the block's value

but if you remove d, there is nothing to define the block's value, so the block will evaluate to nothing, that is, ()

[warped narwhal]

Rust is kind of unique in that everything is an expression

[tender river]

type is not really an operation, its closer to a set of allowed values

[wary rover]

I have a long way to go

[warped narwhal]

So you can assign variables to the result of an if statement

[tender river]

not really unique, its a idea that appeared in the 50s

[warped narwhal]

Or you can match on an if statement that uses a closure as it's condition

[warped narwhal]

Unique as in not many languages that you see actually have it

[wary rover]

So, value can de assigned and also can be evaluated and its two different things, right?

[tender river]

when you evaluate 2 + 2, you get 4

is that enough of an explanation?

[wary rover]

Evaluate is compute the expression?

[tender river]

yes

[wary rover]

Makes sense

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[sage crag]

you have unlocked it

new role

[tender river]

nwerole

[sage crag]

nwerole

[wary rover]

I have unlocked it

[sage crag]

nwurpole

:nwurp:

why is there no nwurp

someone get on this stat

[wary rover]

If there is no instructions to how evaluate a variable it will return the variable? Like If I just say "go evaluate 5" will it return 5?

[tender river]

5 indeed just evaluates to 5

[wary rover]

If I say go evaluate { a; b; c; d } it will return d?

[sage crag]

yes

[tender river]

not really return, returning is a different concept

the block itself will evaluate to d

[sage crag]

same difference here

[wary rover]

It will evaluate it in secret from me

[sage crag]

its not really in secret, you made it evaluate it

[tender river]

so

let x = {
   println!("test");
   5
};
println!("{x}");

this will print
test
5

[wary rover]

Funny

[sage crag]

mrmmm

[wary rover]

So string test is assigned to a variable x and then it like "oh, also: 5"

[tender river]

konii purring noises

[tender river]

no, string test is not assigned anywhere

[wary rover]

String and just text are different things, got it

[tender river]

5 is assigned to x, println!("test") is just evaluated but nothing will be done with the result of println!()

[tender river]

thats not really what im talking about

anyway, the important thing is the program will run whatever computation is before ; but not use the result in any way

[wary rover]

If it doesn't use the result in any way why would it print it? Printing is a result, no?

[tender river]

printing is a side effect, the result is ()

when some calculation is ran, it has results and effects

results are what the program gets, effects are what happens to the world

[wary rover]

I feel my horizons expending rn

[tender river]

some languages make it more obvious by separating the two concept, but rust decided to just allow any computation to have side effects

[wary rover]

It's fun tho. Difficult stuff is fun

[tender river]

also its by no means a solved problem, some of the cutting edge language designers are working out ways to make effects nicer to think about

[wary rover]

Can I group like this {a; b; c}; 5? Will it evaluate the set of variables to 5 or is it wrong in terms of syntax?

[tender river]

this is equivalent to just { a; b; c; 5 } yes

[wary rover]

And fn function() is a syntax way of telling computer "the next block is the definition and mechanism of a function called "function" when you are asked to execute this function you do exactly what is written in the block {} right after it"?

This is unit, right?

[tender river]

it is a bit different, functions have multiple arguments specified in parentheses, a zero argument function doesnt take a unit it just takes zero arguments

there are some languages where functions only have a single argument, in which case a function that takes 0 values will indeed take a unit

overall though yes when you have a function it can roughly be thought of as just replacing the function call with that function's body (with some caveats for early return)

[sage crag]

i wonder if its more accurate to distinguish between scopes (blocks) and scopes (closures)

[wary rover]

I mean, I made a simple program that asks you your name and if it's my real name it praises you and if it's anything else it insults you. And I manged to make it work by defining fn main() and having a block with everything else right after it

[tender river]

yup, good job

[wary rover]

Thank you, it took me only 5 hours

I know, I am extremely talanted

[sage crag]

ok now get the actual username with the Command

[tender river]

people in this channel have been programming for years, often on their jobs (40 hours a week)

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

for lots of us we also do it in our spare time when we arent working (the rest of the hours of the week)

[tender river]

i dont think they know any windows commands

[sage crag]

rip

close enough

[wary rover]

Its an std::io thing. I wanted the program to be interactive, so you have to type it after cargo run

[sage crag]

hm?

[tender river]

stdin

[wary rover]

I need to type the name into terminal of a compiler

[sage crag]

i meant change the name check to compare the input name against the actual username

rather than a constant

but it was a joke

[wary rover]

While I have people to bother: is "?" always an error indication symbol or does it have other uses in rust?

[tender river]

in rust i dont think it has any other uses

except when used in a string or as a character or in comments of course

[rigid snow]

wouldn't it be better to look at env vars for the username rather than spawning a whoami

[tender river]

env vars are easier to fake than uid

[rigid snow]

ok damn are we making a super secure app or something

[wary rover]

I think I'll learn struct next. Seems like a fun concept

[tender river]

it should be fairly safe to just go in the same order as whatever is the material you're using

[wary rover]

I just create a problem for myself and bang my head against it until it works

[rigid snow]

ending up with rust as a first language is crazy work ngl

[wary rover]

I wanted to start from pure C, but I didn't figure out the compiler

It just didnt work no matter what

[tender river]

from my experience teaching someone C as the first language, i think rust is a nicer option

[sage crag]

i can recommend using wsl or msys2 if you want to touch c on windows

windows sucks for c programming

[wary rover]

I was like: download this thing that must work out of the box and be all done instantly.

Missing the linker

Download linker

Missing the linker

My face when

[sage crag]

with msys2 or wsl its as simple as
gcc myprogram.c

[wary rover]

I mean, C is my second target after I learn rust. I want to do low-level stuff. Like real low-level stuff. I want to speak assembly like its English

[rigid snow]

do you believe rust is a better learning experience and that the skills/concepts will translate better to other langs? to be clear i don't think it isn't i'm just asking for insights

[sage crag]

no one speaks assembly like its english

thats why we have compilers

[wary rover]

I will be the first

[olive sable]

sure you will

[sage crag]

good luck with that

[tender river]

i think that if you have the time its better to learn multiple languages of different paradigms, and typed languages are the best for beginners because beginners make sooo many mistakes

[wary rover]

Can confirm

[tender river]

rust in particular has a heavy focus on tooling so it has good error messages

[sage crag]

wdym "1" == 1 is false its literally the same python

[tender river]

print("1") prints the same as print(1) so it must be true

[stone cedar]

The c ecosystem on windows is so bad, I've seen people reccomend to just download the zig compiler and use it for c

[rigid snow]

what

that's genius ngl

[wary rover]

Use notepad

[sage crag]

dont do it tho

sure zig cc works fine and also produces smaller binaries than gcc but uh

well, i guess zig cc is mostly just a frontend for clang

[stone cedar]

If you are really desperate it's better to try that than to give up at least. I only tried it out of curiosity once to see if it'd work but haven't done anything with it other than that

[wary rover]

My friend who is good at coding does C in VS code and says that it works decently. I mean, he also has Linux, but I am not sure if it plays a role here

[tender river]

it does

C and C++ on linux is much much much much nicer

[wary rover]

Everything is much nicer on Linux other than gaming as far as I can tell. I gave him an old laptop that I wasn't using. It had 90% load on desktop. Like just moving your cursor around caused it to lag. Two months later I am at his place and turn it on. It FLIES. He installed some Linux distro on it instead of Windows 10 that it had

[tender river]

gaming is easy on linux as long as you use steam

you wont be able to run valorant or roblox or league or other games with anticheat whose developers actively fight linux users, thats about it

but there are other problems like not having decent cad software

[opaque sigil]

zig as a c compiler is especially great for cross-compiling since it ships musl for basically every platform

[wary rover]

Yeah, it was funny to scroll through the programs my friend installed on the laptop. There was full microsoft office, but every app is like a knock off version of it's windows counterpart

[tender river]

i assume you're talking about libreoffice, not microsoft office

[wary rover]

Not saying that they are worse, just look funny

I mean in terms of functionality, yes

[tender river]

and libreoffice is actually available for windows as well https://www.libreoffice.org/

[wary rover]

He was trying to indoctrinate me into Linux for months, but I am not ready to be converted yet

I crave comfort of Windows

Well, to be honest even using Windows is a struggle sometimes since I am pretty new to having a PC in general

[amber fractal]

I'd say not so much, click and play is diffrent from making sure proton vibes with the game then have it work until something else breaks.

Easy for linux level people, not so much for average

[spiral fractal]

what's a " 1000 line switch statement" ?

[olive sable]

bad

[spiral fractal]

explian like the tech illterite numbskull I am please.

[olive sable]

you have 1 thing

and a row of 1000 other objects

you start at the first one and check if the original 1 thing you have is the same object

[spiral fractal]

ok

[olive sable]

if not you go to the next one

and the next one

and the next one

...

[spiral fractal]

oh my

that could take hours or days

[amber fractal]

very complex cause
if (matches #1) do thing
... 999 more branches

[spiral fractal]

woah 😮

[olive sable]

luckily since computers are fast its not too bad, but idealy you limit it

[amber fractal]

Ideally you'd be splitting it up into smaller partz

[spiral fractal]

yeah that would be smart

[amber fractal]

It can also mean that the entire code is within the switch statement

[opaque sigil]

the fun thing is that this isn't necessary true

[olive sable]

is it not?

[opaque sigil]

it depends on what the optimiser feels like doing

[olive sable]

ah

[opaque sigil]

it can turn it into a table

[stone cedar]

switch case fallthrough

[wary rover]

Can it be optimized by sorting the 1000 variables first and then applying comparison to probable matches? Like if the value must be positive and we have 400 negative ones we can disregard them after the sort. Or will the act of sorting itself be more computationally hungry than 1000 comparisons?

[opaque sigil]

if you already know that some cases are more likely than others you can declare them in that order yeah

[spiral fractal]

thx guys 🙂

[wary rover]

Oh, like "if less than 0 don't even bother" type of stuff? Yeah its better than sorting for sure

[stone cedar]

The compiler can definitely do that, but there is also the consideration that for "just" 100 cases it's probably faster to just go through them top to bottom so it's not that simple to choose to do that

[tender river]

thats not really how switch statements work

in C, a switch statement just compiles to a lookup table (or potentially a few lookup tables)

[wary rover]

I really like optimizing stuff. Its scratches my brain in a funny manner

[tender river]

the reason long switch statements are bad is not performance but code structure

[olive sable]

how they work is language dependant?

that sucks

[wary rover]

Can't you just collapse things you don't want to see?

[tender river]

in python, you must use a series of ifs

well, there is match nowadays but its pretty new and rarely used

[opaque sigil]

mfw 3.10 is almost 4 years old and half the ml libraries still don't seem to support anything newer

[tender river]

in C#, switch statements also support strings

which are first hashed

then compared using binary search rather than a lookup table

(since the hashes are understandably very far apart)

and then compared character by character to make sure its not a hash collision

[wary rover]

Create a hash map 🤓 ☝️ (I don't know what hash map is but I heard it's a solution to everything)

[sage crag]

loud incorrect buzzer

[tender river]

pinephone camera produced grayscale output #merch message

granted the install has not been updated for like a year (not my phone)

[olive sable]

had to comment out this code form the gltf loader cuz it broke renderdoc

im guessing its cuz renderdoc leaches off the leftover cpu-side buffers

[wary rover]

What language is that?

[olive sable]

c++

[wary rover]

It looks cool

[olive sable]

i like it but a lot of people hate it

[wary rover]

What does ++it do

[stone cedar]

it increments it its basically the same as it = it + 1.

though in this case it's a bit special because it is an iterator

[wary rover]

A value can have +1 as a treat

[olive sable]

Il prett sure it++ adds one to it, but also returns it without the +1?

[gritty dust]

c++ is good but assembly is not fr

[olive sable]

Then dont write asm

[sage crag]

correct

[stone cedar]

Yep, ++it and it++ do the same to it, but prefix ++ increments first, then returns it while postfix returns the original after incrementing.

[gritty dust]

yeahhhh I tried it and hated it lol

[wary rover]

Ok, what is returning a value? Can a value be used without being returned?

[sage vale]

Chris Titus just reported that Microsoft has begun firing devs of Windows 11 and replacing them with AI programers. I guess all of my Windows 11 errors will get forwarded to Vedal from now on.

[gritty dust]

hows peoples day btw

[wary rover]

Someone tell Vedal there is a problem with a GPU driver

[amber fractal]

Nah I'm not paid enough for this shit

[wary rover]

Good, learned a lot from wise coding elders of this chatroom

[olive sable]

Returning a value is something a fuction/operation can do

[sage vale]

< "Someone tell Vedal there is a problem with my Windows PC"

[olive sable]

Veeedaaal my pc is on fire, stop mining crypto on it

[amber fractal]

That only happens if you got a lamp

[wary rover]

It seems like it's a very fundamental thing so Ill just read a book later, cause bothering random people to explain everything is not it

[stone cedar]

Imagine the line int var2 = var1; here the statement var1 returns itself for the assignment. When we replace that with var1++ or ++var1 it makes a difference

[wary rover]

I am not qualified to understand this statement yet, will figure it out by myself later. Thanks for feedback tho

[stone cedar]

Maybe 'returns' is not the correct term for it, maybe 'results in' is more accurate

[wary rover]

I don't like words in general. Usually when I learn something I bang my head against the wall trying to do what I want to do and in this process I start intuitively and subconsciously understanding everything

So I might sound incredibly dense when being taught by someone, but when I learn by myself I am a pretty quick learner actually

[tender geode]

Italian.

[wary rover]

Grazie

[stone cedar]

So the correct nomenclature would be ++it is an expression and this expression results in a value.
-# Thanks c++ standard 7.1.1 [expr.pre]

[hoary lion]

welcome me to c++

unreal

[amber fractal]

Switch engines, it is not worth it

[hoary lion]

Can't 😭

Idgaf of graphics but procedural generation support

[amber fractal]

smh, just code it yourself

[opaque sigil]

i feel like surely there's a better way to get procedural general support into whatever you need than including unreal engine

[hoary lion]

It is more of a large scale map loading method

Pretty sure unity is painful on that kind of tasks

I would make algorithms by myself but I do not want to handle genshin sized map loading by manually

[opaque sigil]

[loud thicket]

Unreal bad

Unity better

[opaque sigil]

also speaking of ue, the other day i felt like going through the repo so i tried building it but it created so many threads as part of the build it kept dying

[narrow beacon]

Hiiiii

[amber fractal]

SuperComputer is non optional

[hoary lion]

I think im cooked

audio processing in ML is far bigger than I thought

I just wanted to finish this soon but

i am not going to make the ue5 before summer break

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

Unity bad

Unreal worse

Anyways, my phone keeps breaking over the antenna usage

Before it was only 4g, now it also breaks my bluetooth

[amber fractal]

@olive sable what game engine should we use then?

[olive sable]

Uh

Roblox

[amber fractal]

Godot?

[olive sable]

Or godot

[amber fractal]

Life is Roblox

[olive sable]

Fr fr no cap 💯

Anyways, goodmorning and bye.
I have exam in an hour and forgot to revise yesterday

[amber fractal]

Time to die

[stable fractal]

@pliant tree and @tight sparrow
the query testing for the pet command!

sorry it took so long

i was writing comments

[tight sparrow]

virus

[stable fractal]

ignore that, discord added it

[stable fractal]

dude i added comments for better understanding, why do you sitll tihnk its a virus

anyway, bye

[tight sparrow]

virus

will take a look tomorrow once I'm not on mobile

[faint sandal]

virus

[fast pagoda]

broken
broken
broken
perfection

[hard raptor]

It should be ashamed of itself