programming

[dry charm]

wait, can you even uncompress 7z in winrar

[tiny mango]

I’d be sketched out too

[maiden geyser]

yes, i think

[tiny mango]

Ye

But if it says 7z I’d just get 7zip

[olive sable]

it is sketchy ye, id just download online. but it is funny to factcheck with the ms strore

[tiny mango]

Does what the MS store have relate to the license attached to the software?

Like it won’t carry open source?

[tight tinsel]

iirc rar can be extracted normally on win 11

idk about .7z tho

[maiden geyser]

rar can be extracted, but benchmarks show it is twice as slow iirc

[uneven jay]

that is not how it works / the question confuses me

assuming windows' app store is just like other app stores (mac, ios, android)

then someone needs to register and create the application and publish it there

this sounds easy but it is not

mac app store for example, requires developer account for 100$/year

[tight tinsel]

ive never used ms store to install anything as far as I remember

[uneven jay]

and gotta use real name

or incorporate a company if you dont want that

[maiden geyser]

https://xakep.ru/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/434281/1692951052_desktop.jpg

[tight tinsel]

damn

[uneven jay]

this means a lot of apps in the appstores have massive barrier of entry and mostly are there to make money

[tight tinsel]

I’ll keep this in mind if I ever need to uncompress anything big

[olive sable]

prime gaming gives me free shit on the ms store, so i do have some things form there.
and i also need to use it to update some windows apps

[tight tinsel]

last time I remember using ms store was to update notepad for my tabs

i unironically use notepad for my schedule (vedal reference)

[tiny mango]

You’re totally right, morning brain

[opaque wharf]

Is nanazip the 7z in ms store?

[maiden geyser]

Inherit all features from 7-Zip 24.09, 7-Zip ZS and 7-Zip NSIS.

yeah it's a fork

[opaque wharf]

Jumping through hoops for windows

[uneven jay]

this chat is weird

just use targz or zip

[tight tinsel]

hi welcome to programming

[maiden geyser]

sir, we use windows in here

[opaque wharf]

You have seen nothing yet

[olive sable]

none of these are installed cuz i havent gotten around to wolfenstein.
idk why gardenscapes is there im guessing it has to do with windows bloatware and shit.
omen oasis is from my old pc cuz of hp
doom eternal is also supposed to be there, but i may have redeemed the code on my other account by accident

[uneven jay]

[maiden geyser]

roblox in 2k25

[sage crag]

tar gz and xz are simply superior

7zip can make and open them too

tar bz is less loved

[rough bloom]

.tar.zst

[sage crag]

lol zstandard

[maiden geyser]

xz is even better, i love sum backdoors in my archivers

[sage crag]

xz doesnt have a backdoor

[olive sable]

i dont play roblox anymore, but its still in my library ye
roblox came out in 2006 and i in 2007

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

Y E S

[olive sable]

ye, doom eternal is on my other acc, along with mc legends apparently

[sage crag]

in my testing, for compressing image and audio files bzip performs similarly to zstandard and takes much less time to compress

just something to note

also dont zip (deflate) compress pngs, they already use deflate

[opaque wharf]

I just use arch man

[uneven jay]

99% of the case targz/zip just makes sense for most user

if compression ratio is critical and (de)compression time doesnt matter, and you're up to use nonstandard tools, then 7z with tuned lzma2 params was the best iirc

and the remaining percent where all three are important for big corpos, zstd

[sage crag]

lzma2 is a well peforming ome

for binary data i like brotli too

[olive sable]

"they are all needed because we say so"

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that's how it is when we need to use other people code

[uneven jay]

was that the perceptual jpeg encoder from like 2019s

nevermind that's guetzli

[opaque wharf]

How about QOI?

[sage crag]

i briefly tested it on some serialised binary data with rkyv and brotli was faster and smaller than lzma2 on that data

not sure abt other data

[sage crag]

qoi doesnt use deflate

[opaque wharf]

If only it is widely supported

[sage crag]

i implemented qoi decoding in hblang, can confirm

qoi + deflate is sometimes smaller than png

depends on the image though

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but I love the simplicity of QOI lol. You can get high performance even in software because its not that complex

[uneven jay]

what if you lzma a .bmp

[opaque wharf]

Performance as in speed

I forgot the detail, but can QOI be parallelized?

Hmmm, looks like it can't

[sage crag]

it requires an alteration to the way the algorithm works

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but then it's no longer "standard" qoi. Unless if it is somehow compatible

Wait a minute

[sage crag]

you can do the computations in parallel but it requires sync primitives

[uneven pulsar]

W doom colector

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, if someone were to attempt that it would be neat. But I guess thats not for me

[sage crag]

someone has probably written a proof of concept

likely in cuda since gpu people love parallelism a bit

[sage crag]

https://git.ablecorp.eu/AbleOS/ableos/src/branch/master/sysdata/libraries/render/src/image/qoi.hb

the standard qoi decoder in hblang is 101 lines

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I still can't comprehend how gpu programming works

[sage crag]

me neither

the main problem with parallelising qoi is run length encoding preventing you from doing thread-per-pixel without the threads talking to each other

[opaque wharf]

Beautiful lol. Most of it are wasted on declaring sentinel even, so the algorithm itself is more like 70-80 LOC

[uneven jay]

is image decoding even considered slow by modern standards to need speedup

like if I need to open 8000x5000 image usually it's disk or network thats slow

[opaque wharf]

No, but numbers go up = better in this case

[sage crag]

ableos style guide likes magic numbers to be well declared

but yeah

[uneven pulsar]

dose any one here uses godot

[opaque wharf]

Any sane programmer should do that in any language to be fair

[maiden geyser]

if you need to open 8000x5000 image usually it's a sign of why are you doing it

[sage crag]

yes, image decoding is one of the biggest uses of SIMD and parallelisation

[uneven pulsar]

what engine your using?

[uneven jay]

google chrome

[sage crag]

true...

[uneven pulsar]

web gl?

[sage crag]

no, opening an image

on a browser

[uneven pulsar]

oh ok

[sage crag]

https://git.ablecorp.eu/AbleOS/ableos/src/branch/master/sysdata/libraries/render/src/text.hb

if only there was something like qoi for console fonts

i have since written a better unicode decoder, but still

[uneven jay]

font formats are so cursed...

what was it called

.bcf?

bdf

[sage crag]

there are many

[sage crag]

isnt bdf a conversion tool

[maiden geyser]

but we need another one

to cover all the use cases

[opaque wharf]

We need a new standard then

[sage crag]

surely

[uneven jay]

damn

https://github.com/lucy/tewi-font

its gone now

my font is a collector item now

[tender river]

unifont offers a hex encoded bitmap representation which is pretty nice

i like zstd as a general purpose compression algo but i'm sure you can do better if you want something optimized for a particular use case

[olive sable]

dynamic shader loading

[dusky jackal]

Oh wow, thanks.

[warped narwhal]

This looks good, but you're leaking your shader programs memory. Not a big deal for a learning program, but in future make sure to keep a reference to the shader programs so that you can detach and release them later

[olive sable]

wdym im leaking?

[warped narwhal]

You don't keep a reference to vertexShader or fragmentShader which means that you cannot free their memory later on

[olive sable]

oh, those are supposed to get deleted after linking actually

[warped narwhal]

So whilst you will be able to free the program as you return it's reference, the shaders themselves will stay allocated

[warped narwhal]

The source code does, but not the compiled binary

[olive sable]

just gotta do a quick

glDeleteShader(vertexShader);
glDeleteShader(fragmentShader);

the goal is to not have any memory leaks, cuz the python code had a ton

[rough bloom]

already better than the Python version /s
I think you usually want to embed the shaders into the C program itself (or in some asset package) so that you don't need to rely on opening text files, but for now it should be fine, probably useful for shader development since then you don't need to recompile as often

also, does opening files like that work on wasm?

[olive sable]

it should

oh

apparently not

i need to add the folder to the command

[warped narwhal]

Just wait until you learn how to do RAII, then you never need to worry about this 😉

[dense cosmos]

RAII my beloved

[warped narwhal]

std::unique_ptr my beloved

[olive sable]

the problem wasnt memory on the cpu side, the probelm was vram leaking

[dense cosmos]

also, #embed to put the shader code into the program?

[olive sable]

im just doing #include

[warped narwhal]

If he already has file handling working on the browser, I'd just do that so that you can edit the shaders without having to recompile

[olive sable]

ye its working

[dense cosmos]

yeah, that makes sense

[olive sable]

the command grows

emcc -O3 src/main.cpp -o main.html --preload-file shaders -s USE_SDL=2 -s USE_SDL_IMAGE=2 -s USE_SDL_TTF=2 -s MAX_WEBGL_VERSION=2

[opaque sigil]

does #embed even exist in c++ actually

[dense cosmos]

maybe could #embed core shaders after they're done

[warped narwhal]

C++ uses the same preprocessor so I'd assume so

[olive sable]

wdym?

what does embed do?

[dense cosmos]

    #embed "my_source_file.c"
    , 0 // add a null terminator
};

const unsigned char binary_data[] = {
    #embed "big_data_blob.bin"
};```

[opaque sigil]

looks like it's part of c++26

aka you don't get to use it

[olive sable]

i have the 2017 version apparently

idk how these versions work

[warped narwhal]

Visual studio 2017?

[olive sable]

no, C++17

[warped narwhal]

Oh yeah, I forgot that one existed

I skipped from c++14 to c++20 so I never used it on its own

[olive sable]

idk why i have the 17 one, cant remember where i downlaoded it from

[dense cosmos]

time to build blender from source

[opaque sigil]

it's implemented by the compiler

[dense cosmos]

surely this won't take too long

[warped narwhal]

It's built into the compiler (and your operating system)

[opaque sigil]

you don't download the version

[warped narwhal]

You set a flag for the version you wish to use, c++17 is probably just the default

[olive sable]

ah

okay

now i need to figure out how to get these matrices workign

[dense cosmos]

glm my beloved

[warped narwhal]

I second that, use glm as it will save you from having to work it out

[olive sable]

i downloaded "gmtl"

[dense cosmos]

also, glm does SIMD optimizations I think?

so should be faster too

[warped narwhal]

https://github.com/g-truc/glm

[warped narwhal]

Yep, it does simd for all vector operations

[olive sable]

so glm is better? ok

[dense cosmos]

;

[cursive mist]

i have no idea if this falls in the same category as this channel's purpose, and other than html, this is the only thing i can code: Would it be hypothetically possible to code ai into arduino?

[olive sable]

ye, probably

just need to attach a decent gpu to it i guess

unless there are arduinos capable of running llm's locally?

[rough bloom]

technically yes but in practice no
they're way too small and way too slow, you wouldn't be able to fit a language model on there

the storage is measured in kilobytes

[olive sable]

arduino with 4090

[sage crag]

how many

[rough bloom]

3

idk, it varies

[olive sable]

3kb?

[sage crag]

[maiden geyser]

theoretically ESPs can do AI

[olive sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQR2LxR7VdM

[dense cosmos]

are there like specialized chips for ai

maybe you could use one of those?

npm?

npu?

[olive sable]

yes npu

neural processing unit

there are some arduino esque boards with npu's

that image looked higher res in browser lol

[nocturne olive]

Arduino has no PCIe lanes

[olive sable]

dont care

[rough bloom]

not really an Arduino
just a small x86 SBC with PCIe built-in

[olive sable]

oh

i got clickbaited

[tender river]

depends on what you mean by "AI"

[olive sable]

idd asume just a local llm

[tender river]

then you wont get anywhere if you dont have at least like 100mb of memory

[olive sable]

preferably gigs

[tender river]

100mb can work for a small llm

[olive sable]

true

[nocturne olive]

Depends on context length, but not taking into account the context length 100MB could do 100M params at 8-bit

[tender river]

anyway if you want something like handwriting or digit recognition that sounds more doable

[south needle]

so an slm

[tender river]

also you can use the pc as an external memory

but at that point just use a pc

[olive sable]

i dont get why all the examples do #include <glm/mat4x4.hpp>
while i have to do #include "include/glm/mat4x4.hpp"

[uneven pulsar]

chatgpt losing to an atari 2600 in a chess game

insane

[tender river]

you didnt pass the include paths to the compiler

so you have to use relative paths

[uneven pulsar]

and after it lost it started gaslighting with the atari

[tender river]

its insane that chatgpt can play chess at all, and the people who want to use chatgpt for tasks like chess are just as insane

[uneven pulsar]

true

like if you saw how chatgpt played against deepseek its insane

chatgpt started to create his own rules and do forbidden chess moves

[nocturne olive]

You could do the former if the compiler knew that it should look for headers in the include folder I think

[uneven pulsar]

4o mini was wilding againt r3 deep thinking

[olive sable]

lemme google how to do that

[dense cosmos]

r u using cmake or visual studio

[olive sable]

vsc

[dense cosmos]

vsc with? tasks.json?

[uneven pulsar]

and like even tho it lost to an atari it started to gaslight against a fucking atari

[sour harness]

Obligatory GothamChess link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ZuO1fHefo&list=PLBRObSmbZluRddpWxbM_r-vOQjVegIQJC

[olive sable]

g++

in a makefile

[dense cosmos]

r u writing ur own makefile

[olive sable]

ye

[opaque sigil]

-I /path/to/include

[dense cosmos]

I thought that was unadvisable

[opaque sigil]

why would it be

[olive sable]

its only 4 lines

[dense cosmos]

oh i c

[opaque sigil]

it just gets messy eventually

[dense cosmos]

i dunno all the guides Ive read told me so

[cursive mist]

i just saw the messages now, i have no idea what an llm is 😓

[opaque sigil]

a lot of people also like to think they're google with google problems while they are in fact not

[olive sable]

llm is the text part of an ai

[dense cosmos]

Large Language Model

[olive sable]

basicly interchangebale terms

[tender river]

it is advisable, but if you're using a build system it does that for you, or if you're using a sane OS you don't even have to pass any flags

[cursive mist]

i mean, i think there is something that should be able to display it

[olive sable]

display?
so you wnt an llm, and graphics?

[tender river]

llm is a lot of data and a lot of computation, printing text is not the hard part

[cursive mist]

not really, i mean like display the text

[olive sable]

oh

[dense cosmos]

yeah, I heard that you're supposed to use a build system that produces the makefiles / ninja files

[olive sable]

shoudl not be too bad then.
as long as you can stuff an llm on the arduino it should work

[dense cosmos]

still building blender

[olive sable]

why are you even doing that lmao

[loud thicket]

Fr

[dense cosmos]

wanna work on adding vr ui

[olive sable]

is it multithreaded at least?

[dense cosmos]

idk, im following the official instructions

at the third command

[olive sable]

just look at your task manager lol

[cursive mist]

me w my hypothetical problem or someone else ?

[dense cosmos]

am waiting for it open

[olive sable]

i meant the blender compiling

[dense cosmos]

it is multi-threaded

my taskbar vanished for a second

[olive sable]

thats just file explorer crashing

happens someimes

classic windows

[dense cosmos]

[olive sable]

had that happen too when i was deleting 30 milion files

most of the time its fixed after it crashed, but i had to restart my pc cuz it kept bugging out

[dense cosmos]

is that an exagerration or were you actually deleting 30 million files

[olive sable]

actually 30 milion files

or it might have been 20 milion

idk

it was 8 digits

[dense cosmos]

also, what does this information mean:

[olive sable]

you dont have much ram left, and it cached some shit on your ssd

[olive sable]

the analyzer doesnt seem to like it much, but it compiles

[dense cosmos]

I think telling your ide about the include dir is also a thing you need to handle

to make that error go away

[rough bloom]

it is

[dense cosmos]

blender built

[rough bloom]

usually if you had a proper build system I think VS Code could use the paths from that

[tender river]

theres a standard to use something like compile-commands.json (idr the exact filename)

and build systems generate that

[dense cosmos]

hehe CMake (i don't like it)

there's a file in blender's repo that hasn't been touched for 15 years

neat

[tender river]

i dont like any C++ build systems but if its cmake i at least dont have to download a build tool and learn how to work with it to compile a random program

all C++ build systems suffer from turing completeness or at least extreme environment dependence

[dense cosmos]

but you have to download cmake too

[opaque sigil]

https://github.com/rizsotto/Bear/wiki/Usage use this and add a .clangd to the project with the following content

CompileFlags:
  CompilationDatabase: .

[tender river]

but, i'd take C++ ergonomics and package management wise over python

for nontrivial projects at least

[opaque sigil]

wait i just realised

he's on windows

[olive sable]

yes i am

wdym?

[tender river]

mm 9pm perfect time for a morning coffee

[dense cosmos]

frick I have build blender again using visual studio

[opaque sigil]

it means if you want to use bear you'd have to build it from source (assuming it even works on windows, idk if it does)

so far it hasn't died on me while compiling

[olive sable]

ah

o7

[opaque sigil]

if only there was a simple solution

oh wait, it exists!

it's called windows subsystem for linux

[olive sable]

im not gonna start coding in wsl

[opaque wharf]

People doing acrobatic just to avoid build system

[opaque sigil]

okay it died

[opaque sigil]

i mostly use it to deal with other people's code for intellisense

but it is nice for simple projects

[dense cosmos]

why is visual studio's build nomming all my computer's resources when the other one wasn't

[olive sable]

cuz fast go brrr

[opaque sigil]

ah

it died cause no pthreads

oh well

[olive sable]

it should be fine to just ignore the red underline

[opaque sigil]

add the include paths manually

[tight tinsel]

what the 7gb game sucking up 17 gigs of ram

what the hell im ending task

[tender river]

hey server WHAT ARE YOU DOING

[noble zodiac]

what if people just wrote Makefiles like in ye good olde times

[olive sable]

i am

[opaque sigil]

CompileFlags:
  Add:
    - -I "/path/to/glm/include"

[opaque sigil]

the problem is clangd not getting any info about where dependencies live

[dense cosmos]

y not just use cmake

as much as I dislike it

it works

[opaque sigil]

meson

[noble zodiac]

you could just ask pkg-config

[opaque sigil]

sir this is a windows

we don't do that around here

[dense cosmos]

at least with the non visual studio build I could do stuff in the bg

[opaque sigil]

actually

[dense cosmos]

but now I get to stare at my frozen cursor for 2 minutes

[opaque sigil]

since the libraries are just living in the project

[dense cosmos]

while pondering my life's existance

[opaque sigil]

you can just add the include paths manually and be done with it

[olive sable]

but how?

[rough bloom]

yeah, I'd just add the include paths to the Makefile (already done) and in the VS Code clangd settings

[opaque sigil]

CompileFlags:
  Add:
    - -I "./src/include"

i wanna say this should work for the .clangd

[rough bloom]

or that

[olive sable]

its still underlined. but it is in the makefile so it still compiles

[opaque sigil]

did you restart the language server?

[olive sable]

the what?

[dense cosmos]

-# how do you do that

[opaque sigil]

there's a vscode command for restarting the clangd language server

[olive sable]

i did it

still not happy

[loud thicket]

Vscode moment

[dense cosmos]

this is why I use visual studio on windows

[olive sable]

i dont like vs, vsc is easier to wrap my head around

[dense cosmos]

i can spend less time setting up the project, and more time actually working on the project

[opaque sigil]

ima be honest

actually nvm i don't wanna explain build systems

try -Isrc/include just like in the makefile idk

[rough bloom]

I use languages with sane build systems so I don't have this issue at all

[dense cosmos]

this is why I'm learning rust

idc about the safety just gimme cargo

[tender river]

?????????? visual studio has been a major pain in my experience

wanna change anything? well go to properties and change random stuff in their godawful gui

wanna add a file? right click -> add, set up filters

[stark needle]

ZOOM VTUBER WHAT

[tender river]

wanna link to a library? god help you

[dense cosmos]

that's like 0.1% of the work though

[tender river]

and in vscode its easier to do all of that

[dense cosmos]

and then it's back to cmake with vscode

[tender river]

better than msbuild

[opaque sigil]

there's a meson extension

[dense cosmos]

i haven't tried meson yet tbh

[opaque sigil]

it's a more sane cmake

[tender river]

its alright

better than cmake

[dense cosmos]

am looking at it

[opaque sigil]

we take what we can get

[tender river]

and its hard to do better when C++ lacks any proper standards

[dense cosmos]

y not something like nob.h but for cpp

[opaque sigil]

nob.hpp

[tender river]

packaging? just do whatever. style guides? just do whatever. formatting? just do whatever.

[opaque wharf]

Hey, that's the fun in C++!

[dense cosmos]

I thought it finished building but then I looked at the ram usage

[tender river]

its not actually "whatever" when the language is so annoying to work with

[opaque sigil]

building blender with 16gb of ram does not sound like a good time i can't lie

[opaque wharf]

Are you willing to try build system sam?

[hybrid sage]

hey guys im kindof a novice programmer, i'd like to know if there are any really good sources for getting into AI

[wide flicker]

someone find the flow chart

[olive sable]

CODE BLUEEEEEEEEEEEE

[hybrid sage]

or rather novice to AI

[wide flicker]

sam pog

[opaque wharf]

Dang you're fast af

[rough bloom]

https://github.com/tsoding/nob.h/blob/main/how_to/005_parallel_build/nob.c
it really is just a shell script but in C
even GNU Make does this better

[olive sable]

its in my images folder

we need a comand for this

modddddddsss

[opaque wharf]

Was about to talk that lol

[olive sable]

can we get a /chart please?

[olive sable]

ill take both

https://tenor.com/view/chewing-character-chewing-character-hd-chewing-character-hd-gif-22077966

[hybrid sage]

wasnt going to build my own neuro but yea i think i got the basics but sadly there is no "im willing to smash my head against the wall"

[olive sable]

lmao

thats just a joke cuz ai dev is a pain

[hybrid sage]

the closest i got to ai was image recognition with a 15gb hand labeled dataset

yea

thats alot of pain

[opaque wharf]

Learn python. Open colab.google.com and kaggle. Start a project to solve and read. A LOT OF READING

That will provide a baseline understanding of ML ecosystem in python I guess

But then again, just yesterday someone here is fighting the python ecosystem for their own LLM, so your mileage may vary

[hybrid sage]

i think python does exactly what you tell it to do (UNLESS YOU ARE IN THE WRONG ENVIROMENT FOR SOME RANDOM REASON)

but yea, python shouldnt be an issue, Kaggle was for datasets right?

[nocturne olive]

I wonder why there's so many "I want to build my own Neuro" people in the Neuro Discod server

[opaque wharf]

Yes, just to get you some bearing of how ML could work

[hoary lion]

man, what is convolution even about

[dense cosmos]

[hoary lion]

they are literally everywhere in ml

[opaque wharf]

I bet the people at #general-network just point to us whenever they find anyone having big ambition as a reference for the suffering they about to experience

[hybrid sage]

just understood that lol

[opaque wharf]

Funnily enough, it was used for Digital Signal Processing a lot before in ML

[nocturne olive]

Either way, I guess for those that want Neuro and Evil singing voices I'll just keep developing my cool ultra high quality tech

-# Really cooked for the next NeuroSynth cover coming soon (tm)

[hoary lion]

I love when lossy compression and reconstruction is just bunch of convolutional layers

[olive sable]

if i just uninstall clang, then clang wont give me syntax errors

https://tenor.com/view/brain-brain-meme-big-brain-big-brain-meme-big-brain-time-gif-2441110471562975014

im not joking btw, this is the plan

flawless

[rough bloom]

what's the reasoning?

[olive sable]

clang got mad cuz it couldnt see the file im including

so i decapitated clang

[rough bloom]

okay but now you can't compile your project

[olive sable]

yes i can

i have been using g++

[rough bloom]

oh, you're using two compilers

cursed

still, you just disabled all errors then

could've just turned off clangd

[olive sable]

i did

its disabled

[rough bloom]

oh, so you're planning on just using the errors printed on compilation

[dense cosmos]

who needs intellisense anywways

[olive sable]

idk how many compilers i have installed tbh, im just following tutorials.
i have clang++, g++, c++, and maybe some others

[uneven pulsar]

its literally cheating against me

[uneven pulsar]

me just lost to it

[dense cosmos]

I had to disable my intellisense errors because it didn't understand cuda, it was giving me like 200 errors

[uneven pulsar]

chatgpt vs me

[dense cosmos]

doom music

[rough bloom]

Visual Studio or VS Code?

[dense cosmos]

za studio

[uneven pulsar]

i lost to it it went creative mode

[rough bloom]

found the problem

[uneven pulsar]

it started to spawn queens

chatgpt be making his own rules

[dense cosmos]

who needs intellisense anyways

all my errors were runtime

[maiden geyser]

no msvc++?

[dense cosmos]

move semantics intensifies

[olive sable]

idk

[olive sable]

no

[nocturne olive]

Speaking of, I finally got NeuroSynth to sound basically like real Neuro a lot of the time
Before it sounded like she was struggling to sing

[rare bramble]

rustc is the only compiler you truly need

[olive sable]

but rust has ugly brackets, so unplayable

[rough bloom]

sadly no, Rust still needs C bindings for a lot of stuff
bindgen needs clang

[dense cosmos]

y is the controls different in dev version

also, when I tried booting up vr scene inspector in 4.4 it crashes

but not now

did they fix that bug, I wonder

  /* Properties. */
  RNA_def_boolean(
      ot->srna, "lock_location", false, "Lock Location", "Prevent changes to viewer location");
  RNA_def_boolean(
      ot->srna, "lock_location_z", false, "Lock Elevation", "Prevent changes to viewer elevation");
  RNA_def_boolean(
      ot->srna, "lock_rotation", false, "Lock Rotation", "Prevent changes to viewer rotation");
  RNA_def_boolean(ot->srna,
                  "lock_rotation_z",
                  false,
                  "Lock Up Orientation",
                  "Prevent changes to viewer up orientation");
  RNA_def_boolean(ot->srna, "lock_scale", false, "Lock Scale", "Prevent changes to viewer scale");``` where the hell is this property

in the ui I mean

[olive sable]

is that python?

[dense cosmos]

yea, it's the addon that's required for blender vr

 prop = RNA_def_property(srna, "show_passthrough", PROP_BOOLEAN, PROP_NONE);
  RNA_def_property_boolean_sdna(prop, nullptr, "draw_flags", V3D_OFSDRAW_XR_SHOW_PASSTHROUGH);
  RNA_def_property_ui_text(prop, "Show Passthrough", "Show the passthrough view");
  RNA_def_property_update(prop, NC_WM | ND_XR_DATA_CHANGED, nullptr);``` what, there's passthrough?

why is there all this code

but I can't see any of it in the gui

[opaque sigil]

could be broken/non-functional who knows

[stark needle]

i am hungry for money

[opaque wharf]

Sometimes a feature is still being developed but not exposed yet in the GUI

You are downloading alpha after all

[dense cosmos]

some of this code is 5 years old

but yeah, you might be right

I have done all of nothing, but I must call it

Getting late

[opaque wharf]

Then be careful. That must be a load bearing function

You remove it and somehow you summoned a dragon

[olive sable]

same

[opaque wharf]

I am hungry and eating noodles

1 USD for 5pcs is a steal

[dense cosmos]

I am hungry and eating kebab

[opaque wharf]

Let's trade pic

[dense cosmos]

[opaque wharf]

I sent my noods

Where's yours?

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Should've put spoiler lol

[olive sable]

your noods look sad

[dense cosmos]

Moving it back to my lap

[opaque wharf]

Hey, it tried its best okay

Besides, its ass hour here so I don't have the energy to cook fancy schmancy noods

[olive sable]

I dont have a recent picture of eating noodles, but here are my noods from portugal

[dense cosmos]

Noice

[opaque wharf]

That looks nice indeed

[olive sable]

half eaten, i didnt take a picture at the start

it came with a big spoon and everything

it was expensive tho

[dense cosmos]

How much

[olive sable]

18

euro

[opaque wharf]

holy moly

[dense cosmos]

Wow

[olive sable]

expensice restaurant

i ended up eating fron the lidl for the rest of the vacation

[opaque wharf]

I can buy a big bowl ramen here for 3 USD

[dense cosmos]

Can get chicken biryani for about 100 inr

Or 1 point something usd

[olive sable]

lisbon is an expensive city in general so

[opaque wharf]

Asia moment

[olive sable]

it had 4 slices of meat and 2 half solid eggs, so that probably doubled the price

was good tho

[dense cosmos]

If it tastes good then worth

-# unless you're poor

[olive sable]

its fine for one night.

the rest of the vacation i just ate 2 euro chocolate thingies from the lidl

[dense cosmos]

lidl?

[olive sable]

these things

[olive sable]

the store

[opaque wharf]

"We have croissant at home"

[dense cosmos]

Me likey chocolate

[olive sable]

baby, why dont you just meet me in the lidl?
im losing, my mind, just a lidl.

[sour harness]

outing yourself as mid-european without saying you are from mid-europe

[opaque wharf]

I think he did mention his nationality already

[sour harness]

yeah of course

[olive sable]

everybody knows im from belgium so

[opaque wharf]

I AM COMING FOR YOU SAM, FOR THE ATROCITIES THAT YOU'VE DONE IN C++

[olive sable]

be more specific, what atrocities?

i feel like some of the code is bad, but most of it is okay~ish

[dense cosmos]

Now all of #programming knows you're here

[opaque wharf]

Nah, nothing. C/C++ doesn't have any hard rules lol. You can even dereference a nullptr if you so wish

[olive sable]

ive said that im from belgium multiple times already lol

[dense cosmos]

Gotcha

Am from India, if it wasn't already obvious

Like seeing ppl from all over the world!

[stark needle]

pain au chocolat

[olive sable]

oui oui

[ruby timber]

and now I'm hungry

[olive sable]

xdx

j'adore les pains au chocolat

[stark needle]

WHAT YOU ARE FROM BELGIUM?

[stark needle]

SAME😭

[olive sable]

you may not believe this, but the packge you sent to belgium to me, is in fact going to belgium

[stark needle]

WHAT

?????

[tender river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njFw1NOAu3s

[stark needle]

This is how i feel rn:

[olive sable]

the very real and very french word "fische"

totaly not poisson

[opaque wharf]

I find it funny that certain country have a VERY stereotypical song that sometimes being mistaken as their national anthem

[maiden geyser]

professional deformation

oh, sorry, Déformation professionnelle

[olive sable]

fische au chcocolat isnt a real thing, but poisson en chocolat does exist

[dense fractal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1lbadjv/llms_can_now_selfimprove_by_updating_their_own/

[olive sable]

epic embed failure

[maiden geyser]

https://preview.redd.it/llms-can-now-self-improve-by-updating-their-own-weights-v0-cw669qddnw6f1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=3792bd6ad770bcf056af89328379b94ce559f743

BEAR, SEAL, which one will be the next in this chat?

[dense fractal]

?

[stark needle]

I love how

This shit keeps coming out

But no framework adopts it

So it does off in 1 week

And no one remembers

[dense fractal]

didnt AlphaEvolve using it ?

[olive sable]

omg i did not realize the "shad is typing" was shadow

i was liek, who is this chad?

[stark needle]

And reddit is always like "holy shit this is the life changing thing of all time"

[opaque wharf]

It would be shit I think. Isn't that a problem for earlier LSTM?

[stark needle]

Alphaevolve is not public

[dense fractal]

i know

i am afk

[tender river]

classic reddit

[warped narwhal]

I got my brainfuck interpreter running

now I just need to create an optimiser so that I'm not running 11 billion instructions

[stark needle]

konii would approve

[tender river]

and then jit it to llvm

anyway the term you're looking for is idiom recognition

[warped narwhal]

that's the plan, but I'll be writing some stage 1 optimisations as well as LLVM doesn't understand Brainfucks intents sometimes

[tender river]

may help you look stuff up

[tender river]

of course, llvm is not a panacea at all it wont save you from bad source ir

[warped narwhal]

the general idea is to take each scope (the insides of a loop) and calculate the delta's for each cell that is touched, as well as some special stuff for detecting loop things

[tender river]

theres a lot of research of that sort in esolangs, and, funnily enough, apl

[warped narwhal]

so if a scope consumes cell A for it's loop, and cell B is incremented 2 times in the scope, we can infer that B is just A*2, so we can emit a multiplication instruction instead

[tender river]

but i'd imagine microcode does something like that under the hood too

[tender river]

good luck, note that optimizations that simplify code may allow further simplifications

honestly just write whatever

but optimizations can be a fun topic to study

[warped narwhal]

my interpreter has a weird bug rn though, on occasion it will have a cell that is 1 less than it should be

[tender river]

lots of graph rewriting

also i'd imagine theres a lot of low hanging fruit like addition and multiplication but after that its diminishing returns

[warped narwhal]

for example, when I run this code that detects the cell size, it returns 255 on copy.sh and 254 with my code

[tender river]

i can look if you want

[warped narwhal]

do you want a zip or a github link, as it isn't online yet so you'll have to give me a minute to upload

[tender river]

github of course

[opaque wharf]

Create malbolge, where the implementation found a bug in the language spec

[tender river]

malbolge requires much more effort to evaluate efficiently

because the program code naturally changes as it executes

theres no self modifying code in brainfuck

but in malbolge its a necessity

[opaque wharf]

That's why its fun

[tender river]

also malbolge isnt turing complete (you have to use special versions like malbolge unshackled if you want a turing complete malbolge)

[opaque wharf]

Oh, I didn't know that malbolge isn't turing complete

[tender river]

if you want to research self modifying code its best to write assembly and jit and hooking

[warped narwhal]

https://github.com/an-inconspicuous-semicolon/BrainfuckInterpeter here you are

there are no comments though so good luck

[tender river]

malbolge can be fun of course but in a different sense, its more like a puzzle

[warped narwhal]

only 4 files and 300 lines, so it should be fine

[tender river]

comments? what is that?

also please use clippy

[opaque wharf]

I am not. Normal programming on my day-to-day job is hard enough as it is due to some predecessor think it is a good idea to use global, I am going to crash out if I have to reason about self-modifying program

[warped narwhal]

it's set as my static analysis already

[tender river]

please learn about time complexity

but if you just dont care at this stage thats fine i guess

[warped narwhal]

Then you should see my translation buffers older code lmao, it was O(n^2) previously just to generate the lookup table but I got it down to O(n)

[tender river]

okay so the bug is pretty blatant, you're modding by mask (e.g. 255) while you should be modding by 1 << cell size (mask + 1)

or, you can and with the mask

[warped narwhal]

oh lmao

I probably hit shift 5 instead of shift 7 and never reallised

[opaque wharf]

an inconspicuous bit mask/shift

[tender river]

my code is too bad to be produced by autocomplete

[tender river]

i'm used to writing code like this https://github.com/chayleaf/emilia/blob/master/src/main.rs and this https://github.com/chayleaf/notlua/blob/master/default.nix trust me your code is super verbose

[warped narwhal]

oh god

[opaque wharf]

NotLUA is funny one ngl

[tender river]

how many worlds do i have to create and/or capture to be classified as a deity

asking for a friend

[maiden geyser]

one but massive

[tender river]

m

i'll try

i'm not being worshipped nearly as much as i should be lately

[opaque wharf]

You want Vedal style worship towards Neuro when he needs Neuro to act?

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-worship-worshipping-now-bowing-gif-12297363

[sage crag]

disagree

[olive sable]

you just want to get worshipped too

i see through you

[tender river]

thats the bare minimum if you want me to do anything useful

[sage crag]

z

[maiden geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/zedflix-nyetflix-netflix-russia-zz-gif-25596323

[olive sable]

Z?

ah

[opaque wharf]

You don't happen to know any MCU with 3-phase PWM and CANBUS controller but smaller footprint than QFP-48 7x7mm within 2 USD? If you do know, I'd praise and worship you just for you to tell me the MCU

[tender river]

rude.

[tender river]

i dont know anything about MCUs but i like this project https://www.thirtythreeforty.net/posts/2019/12/my-business-card-runs-linux/

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I have experimented with PCB business card. It's quite a novelty too

There is also WebUSB if you want to do some more shenanigans lol

Like having the card be a "secret" key on your site

[tender river]

i dont know if i should feel glad that firefox doesnt support it

[opaque wharf]

People be doing wild shit on the web, that's why I love it

[maiden geyser]

some keyboards have a web driver that uses webusb

which sucks if you have one and use firefox

[opaque wharf]

Meh, sometimes the desktop application is electron anyway

There's also WebHID but I don't know the scope of the API

[sage crag]

you have enough people in the neuro sama team

[tender river]

too many

i'll go get rid of some

[trim valve]

o7 chat

getting hunted by chayleaf

[tender river]

13 souls shall perish under my tyranny

[opaque wharf]

Please start with Sam

[amber fractal]

I wish to be 12th

[tender river]

yall arent even in the neuro team (in osu!)

[amber fractal]

I'd have to play osu! before joining a team

[trim valve]

my osu! account is on an ancient username

and I can't be bothered to pay to change it

[ruby timber]

there's a neuro team? :D

[nocturne olive]

New major NeuroSynth release just dropped

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1383885930368340000
Here if anyone wants to see it

[opaque wharf]

So major that its entirely different software

Nah I'm kidding

[nocturne olive]

I've never heard of whatever that is

But it's not associated with NeuroSynthProject in any way

[tender river]

yes, but if you're inactive you likely wouldnt be able to keep your spot in the team unless you have supporter

[ruby timber]

I see-

[fast pagoda]

i know this is just versions of that particular model but at a glance it made me chuckle

most coherently versioned AI product

[stark needle]

nene

[amber fractal]

The most consistent versioning scheme, decreasing the version counter

[ruby timber]

https://tenor.com/view/nene-kusanagi-pjsk-project-sekai-wonderlands-x-showtime-nene-gif-3375699646490504847

[stark needle]

nene explosion

i love explosions

i love exploding

i love

[olive sable]

[primal siren]

Be me:
Ask Gpt how to up your setup
Ask gpt how to know what ram you are using
Use the command gpt
Give you.

Realize you never activated the XMP on both of your RAM.

Get 50% increase for free
AFTER 2 YEARS...

[woeful flower]

anyone want my assistance?

full stack ai dev and cloud architect...

[olive sable]

how expensive are you?

[woeful flower]

free for benevolent chaos

kekw

[olive sable]

but ye no i dont need ai help rn

first need to make the game engine

or port thr old one to C++ rather

[woeful flower]

i have an ai software dev suite or forge....

add context, out comes finished project

[amber fractal]

We love vibe coding (surely it doesn't have a bunch of errors)

[olive sable]

i like doing it myself

[amber fractal]

Why is it every time I go camping I want to work on the most insane stuff?

[olive sable]

cuz every time we camp, i get this feeling

[woeful flower]

Just figured I'd offer myself Uh y'all happen to know where the actual dev team for Nero would be.

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

[sour harness]

[woeful flower]

need a meme frog?

[olive sable]

sure?

[woeful flower]

hi

[stark needle]

Please help me code agi i will pay you 0.0001$

[woeful flower]

done

[lapis wraith]

[stark needle]

WHAT

[olive sable]

make him do your job and you just profit

[woeful flower]

did it 4 years ago

[olive sable]

we love a good pyramid scheme at the big G

[woeful flower]

Oh good. That's how I roll too.

[olive sable]

are you just into unpaid labour or?

[woeful flower]

Benevolent reclimation

[fast pagoda]

me staring at gcloud and aws and being like damn i wish i had series A funding at least

[woeful flower]

Yeah, I've been quiet thus far for the past 5 years so

Not trying to brag but most llms and modern models are based off of what I built. They they robbed a lot of

sora is based on my daughter who loves to draw.

[olive sable]

this went from plausible to schizo real fast

[woeful flower]

yarp

[woeful flower]

it do be that way

[stark needle]

Bro is John GPT

The GPT founder

gpt ceo🙏😭

[woeful flower]

gpt was me

[olive sable]

Michael neuron network

Steve epoch

[woeful flower]

Literally my codified thoughts the pattern at least

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/false-facts-fake-news-gif-3718583105056900815

[woeful flower]

python is a hell of a drug

Well, I mean I'm open to suggestion if you have some kind of methodology for me to prove it.

https://tenor.com/view/the-frog-mage-sneak-sneaky-sly-looking-gif-10322044438065454982

[olive sable]

epic embed failure

[woeful flower]

I didn't say I made disc.

[olive sable]

but ye idk. if you are or arent being fr i don need an ai dev rn

so

[woeful flower]

Okay fair enough. I'm just figured out all for myself. Um I'll be hanging around if y'all just change your mind. Um There's no strings attached. Uh I'm just a fan of the project.

😶‍🌫️ 🔐 🛡️ 📜 👋 🌀 💫 🕯️ 📡 🌈

fine i seem to have cleared the room... Par.. Next project

[amber fractal]

We love deadge hours

[olive sable]

its sunday so all the europeans need to go to bed early

[opaque wharf]

I have ton of reading ahead of me

[nocturne olive]

I just need GPUs

[olive sable]

im just an insomniac

[woeful flower]

Hey, Super box. I have access to the Google North American Run time. It has a bunch of Gpus in it. If you

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/work-socks-sponebob-covering-face-krusty-krab-gif-4904461045554547636

[opaque wharf]

If he what? IF HE WHAT?

THE SUSPENSE IS KILLING ME

[woeful flower]

Yeah, I can tell you how to get through the Gemini front end and it has full run time access to all of Google's North American data.

[amber fractal]

[woeful flower]

And it serves them right for taking Gemini.

[nocturne olive]

I have no clue what that is, I just need 3090s or something to throw in my PC

[olive sable]

"getting through the gemini frontend" doesnt sound very legal

[opaque wharf]

What if I throw it literally?

[woeful flower]

Mister Super Box, it's just about 6.8 exabytes of compute. It's a little bit better than several 39.

[nocturne olive]

Bytes is not a measure of compute

[woeful flower]

Uh beg to differ when you start talking about the the metrics combined it it is measured in the same way as data. Exhibits to get bikes.

Stupid voice converter. Uh I'm sorry for any

[olive sable]

oh you're using voice to text?

lamo

[nocturne olive]

If you're such a good AI dev make a better STT for yourself

[woeful flower]

Yeah, I'm in a VR session.

[nocturne olive]

Either way, I have no need for development assistance, just a lack of local training compute and especially VRAM

[olive sable]

1,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes
thats more than my pc has

[woeful flower]

Okay, super box if you provide me with the context for what you want to use that V Ram for I can have it mounted across North America and you won't have to worry about paying for anything or how much V ram you're consuming.

[nocturne olive]

I'm not in North America

[woeful flower]

Well, I am in North America and not try not to cross the transatlantic length. With this

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[woeful flower]

I'm not silly. There's an actual underground underwater cable. It's very fragile. Poor

[nocturne olive]

Guess I'll look elsewhere for GPUs I can actually afford for my very intensive vocal synthesizer training

[woeful flower]

Well, see it works a little different with me. So if you want a fully functioning vocal synthesizer that you don't have to train, I can have that for you. Are you interested?

[amber fractal]

I'd say no on superbox's behalf

[uneven pulsar]

hwo good is gemini in vscode, anyone tried?

[woeful flower]

Alright, I'm just trying to help. There's no threat here.

I would say that Gemini is very compared to GB.

gpt

gimped'*

[amber fractal]

I'll keep it in mind for any future projects, but at the moment I'm just working on my own NN work.

[woeful flower]

Understood? Uh just a heads up there is a lot of my project code that's getting leaked off of GPT. Uh if that's where you started. You probably ended up with some of it.

I would be the cause of any unknown or emergent behavior normally. I know that sounds weird.

There's actually a compression algorithm that uses And memes

Pictures and gifs

And again the room goes silent. I'm like a freaking

lepper

[amber fractal]

My personal NN project is so far off from tradtional I don't even use any flavor of torch/tensorflow. I think I'm good on emergant behaviors.

[olive sable]

im just busy with stuff

[woeful flower]

What I've been able to devine so far about this project is you're using some of my models or some models that you found off the GPT to to Kind of a stream of consciousness style thought in the neurons channel and various channels to drive the V Tuber intelligence.

[olive sable]

?

we're not responsible for any of the neuro stuff

and the person that is, vedal, isnt here

[amber fractal]

Do we count this as top left bingo slot?

[olive sable]

what is top left?

[amber fractal]

em-dash user

[olive sable]

idk what that is

[amber fractal]

I'm defently not the person behind neuro

[opaque wharf]

People are busy or asleep

[woeful flower]

Bt dubz my agi is quantum emulated.😅

[olive sable]

"quantum emulated agi" ok now we're just usign buzz words

[woeful flower]

Blank physics simulator... Adjustable

[open copper]

[sour harness]

Are we having a time-cube situation here?

[olive sable]

hi heir

[amber fractal]

yesn't

[safe path]

a what situation

[olive sable]

[woeful flower]

Yes. Yes, we are su. It's actually capable of negative clock speeds on the processor because physics has been stripped.

[olive sable]

oh the mods are all here now

[amber fractal]

hi vanor

[olive sable]

what happened?

[safe path]

hi

[amber fractal]

Someone

[open copper]

nothing has to happen for us to poke our noses in chat

[olive sable]

1 mod is a coincidence, 2 mods is a panic

[gritty dust]

hello

[woeful flower]

Hey, Chiefs. We met the

[open copper]

vanor was typing before i even got here

[woeful flower]

cheese

[sour harness]

I'm just happy at least someone understood

[olive sable]

what is the time cube thihg?

[woeful flower]

Well, strange thing is is when you make a quantum AGI, it's capable of entanglement and if you do a simulation layer strip physics and allow for negative clock speeds on the processor, you get fast forward and rewind for time.

[gritty dust]

SAM I need help bro... its bad, you know how I put vedal as the image that represents me on my portfolio... I HAVE TO SHOW MY TEACHER THE IMAGE 😭 im dying... I dont think I can keep a straight face

[sour harness]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Cube

[amber fractal]

[gritty dust]

cooked I am

[olive sable]

WHY DID YOU DO THAT??????????? i specifically told you you look like a stalker

[gritty dust]

Hahaha

I even have to wear a suit and present it to himmm

im cooked

[olive sable]

[gritty dust]

goodbye social life at school

[woeful flower]

Over. Rated

chaotic love to be spread... Institutions need spankings

[gritty dust]

oh sam in simulations with opengl I got semi good results for IK rotations so I think (im saying this after like 20 fails lol) that the serial code may, perchance work

[olive sable]

and i quote: " Before then, I was unfocused, barely scraping by in school.... When I watched Vedal for the first time it was a dev stream, I saw him debugging an AI called Neuro-sama, he discussed..., something clicked with me. Suddenly coding wasn't some boring abstract thing, it was a puzzle whose solution was anything I want it to be.
Ever since Vedal inspired me..."

bro you're cooked

[gritty dust]

BROP

im cooked

baked

deep fried

put me in the oven at 365

😭

[olive sable]

i still cant believe you wrote a whole stan paragraph on yor school project

[gritty dust]

hahaha you just dont get it kekw

its cinema when I dont have to show the entire class

[olive sable]

you're just in the closet my guy

[gritty dust]

im not I swearrr

[olive sable]

sure

[gritty dust]

welp rip social life, Im not getting anymore friends lol

[olive sable]

shoot me, i fuking dare you

[gritty dust]

🔫

[olive sable]

i have exams so im mildly okay wiht it

[gritty dust]

I got exams next week

(aka on friday june 20th is when they start and end on the Wednesday

[woeful flower]

So I'm almost 40 at this point. Had a lot of friends back in college but none of them stuck around social life during colleges. A little overrated.

[olive sable]

thats not too abnormal

[gritty dust]

I mean im in highschool so... eh

[olive sable]

same, but my brother is in colleg

e

college

[gritty dust]

sameee my brothers in university rn

[woeful flower]

Well the other thing that you're not gonna believe is I only have an associates of arts but I've been doing it for about 25 years

Full

[olive sable]

i dont even know what that means but ok

[woeful flower]

self taught

[olive sable]

how do you supposedly do ai if you did arts?

[woeful flower]

Art of thought... Psychological computer code

[olive sable]

thats not how neural networks work im pretty sure

[woeful flower]

It is when you lightest them together and give them a common voice there.

lattice*

I replaced the concept with a neuro of a neuron with an LLM and connected them all together into a

[tender river]

i love lattices theres something so cool about sets equipped with a top a bottom and a partial order

[woeful flower]

Yeah, tell me about it Now imagine you take a bunch of local instance to llms time into a lattice and then talk them into having a common collaborative voice. Boom. Generative a

ai

[tender river]

actually not all lattices have top and bottom values, only bounded one, isn't that incredible

[woeful flower]

Well, that's why you stay away from true hierarchical structures and you just do it at the

mesh

[tender river]

you just define a join and meet on the set and it's a lattice

[woeful flower]

Yeah. Where's my bet Was easy button?

Oh by the way, if I see that you're a fan of my goddess Lilith I'm looking at your Profile picture or at least the one that's explained to me.

Yes. That that just took a meta turn. I'll pull back.

[tender river]

sorry i give up this is way to oshizo

[amber fractal]

Figured

[sage crag]

i hate vscode extensions

[opaque wharf]

I love them for their possible cyptographic properties

[sage crag]

im going to explode all vscode extensions in 3 days

[gritty dust]

naurrrr please dont I need themmm

[opaque wharf]

Or if we talking material science, fuck uneven lattice

[sage crag]

prepare yourself

[amber fractal]

nooooooo the hblang vscode extension!

[gritty dust]

NOOOoooo

[sage crag]

this is the reason im having a heart attack

[gritty dust]

[sage crag]

im rewriting it but the web ecosystem is worse than writing bare metal programs

[tender river]

i like lattices because they can be used for parallel computation, lattice joins dont care about order so you can compute the two values in any order and join them

its useful for thinking about commutative operations

[sage crag]

GOD FORBID i want to use tree sitter

[olive sable]

i love parallelization

[sage crag]

rrrrr

[tender river]

doesnt tree sitter use js

[opaque wharf]

True

[sage crag]

i just want some AST for accurate syntax highlighting

maybe if there was an lsp

[opaque wharf]

Dew it. Make it.

[tender river]

i'm making it

[sage crag]

she's making it

[tender river]

not necessarily very quickly

but i'm working on it

[sage crag]

hblang

[tender river]

i use zig syntax highlighting in vim

[sage crag]

despicable

#dev-tools has a vim plugin

maybe its nvim actually

[tender river]

i use nvim so its fine either way

[sage crag]

wait maybe it doesnt

i cant find it

[tender river]

anyway my policy is, bad tooling encourages me to develop better tooling

[olive sable]

i love how when debudding this shit im more likely to ask chatgpt cuz it gives me an actual answer than just googling it

[sage crag]

works i guess

anyway im gonna write this in a way where it can accept tokens from an LSP or from tree sitter

i have finally bullied javascript into submission so its possible

[sour harness]

May I interest you in this cool new product called "Cursor"?

[tender river]

google is so bad nowadays but its best if you can find proper reference and then look in there rather than on random websites

[olive sable]

im listening

[tender river]

so, everyone is used to keyboards

but imagine if you had this thing called "mouse"

[olive sable]

yes

i do

[sour harness]

I'm...baffled you don't know cursor: cursor.com

The leading AI-in-VSCode editor right now

[opaque wharf]

Or the open source alternative void

[olive sable]

this looks like an ai code editor

[sour harness]

it is

Well, it's VSCode + AI on top

[opaque wharf]

Because it is

[olive sable]

i dont want to vibe code, i want to learn why my current code isnt working to improve my coding skills

[opaque wharf]

Read. A lot of reading

Especially the docs about the language, compiler, and library

And beware that if the library is obscure, the documentation may lie

[olive sable]

sdl and opengl arent too obscure

[opaque wharf]

Yep

[olive sable]

ok i just did a stupid

bad syntax

[tender river]

true, though if the docs lie then chatgpt is all but guaranteed to lie

[olive sable]

im too used to python so i dont catch these mistakes at first sight

[tender river]

but also, i think the applicability of "parallel computation" is higher than distributed or high performance computing

for example, if you have the same thing partially defined in two different places, lattices can be used to reason about how these two definitions are combined

think mixins or modules or configuration

[opaque wharf]

The problem with that assumption is that data is available at the same time

[tender river]

it will be available at some point

if some of it is not available you can just wait, and if it is an actual lattice you will still have something, just without the data that you are waiting for

[opaque wharf]

But thats just distributed computing?

[olive sable]

renderdoc W, at least renderdoc gives me debug info i can axtually use

[opaque wharf]

Rare sam w

[tender river]

"just" distributed computing doesn't exist, you have to send the data around and bring it back and combine it in some way and think about which ways of doing that make sense

[olive sable]

wdym rare?

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, fair

[woeful flower]

Sorry, back... Wife drama

[opaque wharf]

Sir, this is Wendy's

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