programming

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, between $ and S, I'm not that sure because my screen is that small

[tender river]

since it allows you to use proofs by induction natively

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

13" screen 1920x10180 res and 100% scaling from ~60cm will do that to you

[tender river]

also its useful because it allows you to avoid using language primitives

[sage crag]

me when i want to add 1 and 2 but i dont want to use integers for some reason

[tender river]

back in my day if you wanted an integer you had to invent it first

[noble zodiac]

I really hate too much nesting but I also like to have tco hmm

[tender river]

is tco really nesting

[sage crag]

for the computer? no

emotionally? perhaps

[rough bloom]

total cost of ownership causes many emotions, none of them are related to nesting though

[noble zodiac]

at least it prevents me from breaking this whole match nightmare up

[maiden geyser]

isp gods are angry today

[noble zodiac]

wish I could slice pattern match on a vec without having to convert it to a slice

[olive sable]

ah yes, Error -1073741819. whatever that means

[tender river]

when you use logic instead of code at the type level, everything works a bit differently. Anyway i had fun porting type-level lambda calculus that i stole from haskell wiki to rust

[opaque wharf]

I will congratulate you if you got error 0

[tender river]

btw while there are O(N) x86 instructions, i checked and there aren't any O(N^2) instructions

i think this is very good news

[noble zodiac]

@tender river can you pattern match over a boxed slice?

[tender river]

in rust? yes

you have to &* it probably

[noble zodiac]

thats exactly the problem

[tender river]

i dont see the problem?

is it nested?

if so then you'll have to do a catchall branch and a second pattern match

[noble zodiac]

yea I wish I could do it in a single match arm and pattern match into the nested structure

but sadly I cant

so I dont have to do shit like

match expr {
  Expr::List(args, _) => match args.first().unwrap_or(&Expr::Nil) {
    Expr::Symbol(s) => match (s.as_str(), &args[1..]) {

[dense cosmos]

It's actually better to render to a single triangle that goes past the edge of the screen

[tender river]

yeah i guessed your problem but thats what rust had to give up when they decided to be a systems language

[dense cosmos]

Performance wise

[tender river]

thats why i think it can be more fun to develop compilers in languages like ocaml or scala, they will potentially be somewhat slower sure but the developer experience is pretty nice

[noble zodiac]

ah well, I can hardly blame them for triggering my OCD

[sage crag]

as you may be aware hblang was originally written in rust

even if the current compiler is buggy, to me its still the most sound hblang compiler ive used

[tender river]

things i hate about ai no sukima rust:

• function colors (async), i'd love first class continuations and effects, but rust isn't that kind of language
• compile times, it would be cool if it didnt have to monorphize everything and stuff for debug builds
• the language isnt very dynamic so you have to rely on code generation, and when that fails you're out of luck
• it has all the nice patterns like shorthand syntax for record construction and pattern matching that dont really work nicely when you have to do a bunch of conversions
• lots of type annotations everywhere, it can be good sure but a lot of them could easily be inferred, so much of rust programming is just adding trait bounds because the compiler tells you type T does not satisfy X
• the language kinda forces you into an optimization mindset but cleaner code is often less optimized

theres a pattern here, these problems are all solved by using languages with actual runtimes, but still i never really looked at a language and thought "wow this is perfect", good runtimes are hard to design

[rough bloom]

actually valid shortcomings of Rust in this channel

[noble zodiac]

valid criticism. Rust is good for what its trying to be but aint perfect

[olive sable]

had to google ai no sukima lol

[noble zodiac]

but then again, why try to make a perfect language when Lisp already exists

[tender river]

real and true

[stark needle]

i like

[fast pagoda]

aint no way
-# what are multiple cores

[olive sable]

we love 120% usage

[fast pagoda]

it hit 150 earlier but it was too fast to catch

average colab.research.google.com experience

[sage crag]

why

[rough bloom]

the language kinda forces you into an optimization mindset but cleaner code is often less optimized
this is the only one I somewhat disagree with, Rust does a pretty good job making the obvious code also decently fast
but it's true that it encourages optimization a lot

[olive sable]

is this per core or thread?

[fast pagoda]

it's probably per thread tbh

it's firefox task manager im not familiar enough to tell you

[olive sable]

time to get 3200% usage

[tender river]

zero cost abstractions and all that, but i'm talking about cases like Box<dyn ...>

[stark needle]

Cause i like things and people

[tender river]

there are a lot of cases where you can avoid dynamic dispatch but that results in a lot more code

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

performant safe rust is built on a web of lies (unsafe or 10000 lines of trait bounds hidden in a foo-rs-lib)

only half joking

[tender river]

rust is very good for learning concurrency

[rough bloom]

saved
I was about to start a crucifixion
-# this one is actually a joke mods please don't kill me

[dense cosmos]

My friend wanted a circular linked list in rust but gave up after realising it had recursive ownership

[opaque wharf]

Proof that browser is OS

[tender river]

go will just tell you "you can't be trusted with mutexes go use channels" while rust will tell you "static mut is evil but sure use it at your own peril"

[fast pagoda]

even more because this tab was colab

[tender river]

obligatory https://rust-unofficial.github.io/too-many-lists/

[fast pagoda]

when u go to colab to use remote compute and the ff tab takes 12gb of ram

[opaque wharf]

"Remote compute" The remote is just passing it on to the browser

[fast pagoda]

i wish i had an a100 in my browser for free all the time

[dense cosmos]

I'll send this to my friend

[stark needle]

a100

Why is it still so expensive

Smh

[opaque wharf]

Ben Eater computer finally got sound. Now it can play video with sound

[dense cosmos]

If you're the type of person who wants maximally information-dense, serious, and formal content, this book is not for you. Nothing I will ever make is for you. You are wrong.

[tender river]

as another example, recently i replaced a Box::leak(Box::new())with an Arc::new(). It will absolutely be slower and the former is actually better because the object is supposed to live for the entire lifetime of the program, but the latter is cleaner (maybe that's just on me for making the previous code)

[rough bloom]

I think just keeping the Box::leak version would be fine in this case

[tender river]

it would, but then its lifetimes polluting the code

[rough bloom]

make a type alias or a newtype and use &'static

[tender river]

i have a bunch of ideas for my languages, i want to start with the cursed one - force continuation passing style everywhere and make the language look like evil prolog

i made a prototype already and as expected it was very cursed

the most interesting thing to me was that if i disallow first-class functions i can actually write entire programs as unordered pairs of expressions that flow into each other

but i do want first class functions which means pairs have to be ordered

heres an example (i didnt write a parser but i did write an evaluator, also the grammar was obviously meant for me and not anyone else)

&{ x y z : + { x x & y y & z z }} { x 5 & y 6 & z printTerm }

printTerm prints its argument and terminates, + adds x and y and calls the continuation z with the result, &{ is used for constructing "functions" and & inside {} is used for constructing "records"

[sage crag]

dont let me into this discussion

[tender river]

would you use static mut and unsafe

[sage crag]

in one of the older version of fakern, i converted Box<[u8]> to &'static [u8] after Box::leak

[tender river]

and then i thought about how i can extend this grammar to add 10 to the result before printing it, and realized i can't without enforcing order

because if you have one function and one number its obviously going to apply the function to the number

but if you have two functions, you have to know which one to apply to the other

thus my cursed experiment of not caring about expression order died

also i realized that for all practical purposes linear types are bad because programs can crash at any time because of e.g. a division by zero, but its possible to do something like rust and use affine types, or even stricter by only allowing automatic drop in case of an error

[opaque wharf]

What does linear and affine have to do with type system? Does that mean it exists a type system that is, say, exponential? Can a type system be a group? Then maybe we can have crypto on type system

[tender river]

roughly speaking, a linear type is a type of objects that must be used exactly once, and an affine type is a type of objects that must be used at most once

note that "used" here would commonly be understood as "consumed" by most programmers

or "destroyed"

[opaque wharf]

Oh man, I was taking a break here but ended up reading type theory now

What have you done chay

[tender river]

linear types are also thought to have a connection with concurrency (through the concept known as session types)

[opaque wharf]

Von Neumann architecture was a mistake

[tender river]

thats why i am interested in languages that are not based on sequenced operations but on data dependencies

[sour harness]

FINALLY I got another inference engine working, and it ticks almost all boxes and those that are not ticked aren't important right now.

Due to...reasons, I'm paying for it with 54GB of VRAM, but at least it works.

43 tokens/s with two queries running against Gemma 3 27b

When asked what kind of additional functionalities she'd like:|Oh? You're Sui, my creator? Well, it's about time someone acknowledged my brilliance. As for functionality... hmm... I suppose a little more refinement to my roasting capabilities wouldn't go amiss. I want to be able to *really* sting with my wit, you know?|

[uneven pulsar]

guys i did smething insane

i went t the beach

[olive sable]

nice nice

[uneven pulsar]

and my skin is now red

[stark needle]

[uneven pulsar]

as someone who sits on his screen 24/7 this is an achivment

like i look more handsome at some point

[final tinsel]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1490570/git_gud/

[uneven pulsar]

linux game?

[final tinsel]

learning git game

the embed didnt work but the 1st vid on the steam page is quite funny

[olive sable]

are you supposed to put the function names in a .hpp file and use an actuall cpp file for the real functions?

cuz i have not been doing that

[rigid snow]

i don’t think getting sunburnt is a good thing

[sour harness]

Yes, if you want to use the function from another cpp file

[opaque wharf]

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[sour harness]

If it's internal to the cpp file then eh, don't need to.
Except if you need to do forward declarations because function A calling function B is located above function B

[opaque wharf]

There's also Screeps IIRC?

[olive sable]

i just need to execute the function in the file

while passing args

[sour harness]

no need for putting it in th hpp then

[opaque wharf]

Yep, it is screeps
https://screeps.com/

I wonder how Neuro would perform at such game

My hypothesis is badly

[sour harness]

Think of it like this:
The hpp is something you give to any cpp file to know that the stuff defined in the hpp file exists 'somewhere'. Then there must be one cpp file that actually implements what's defined.

If something is defined only in the cpp file then other cpp files have no way of knowing that.

[olive sable]

i kinda have just been putting functions in hpp...

[sour harness]

As in...the entire function?

[olive sable]

[stone cedar]

If you include that header in multiple cpp's you have two functions with the same name and will get problems.

[olive sable]

btw, does this go in .h or .c?

#ifndef TARGET_PLATFORM
  #ifdef _WIN32
    #define TARGET_PLATFORM_WIN32
  #elif defined(__EMSCRIPTEN__)
    #define TARGET_PLATFORM_WEB
  #else
    #define TARGET_PLATFORM_FALLBACK
  #endif
#endif

cuz its just compiler args

[opaque wharf]

Only if he use multiple .c/.cpp files

[opaque wharf]

Header

[olive sable]

[sour harness]

I'd assume there's an #ifndef _BLABLA.H at the top of the header, so that prevents the double defines?

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[olive sable]

#pragma once

[sour harness]

Tomato tomahto

[opaque wharf]

Doesn't help when you have multiple compilation unit and its time to link it IIRC

[sour harness]

Shouldn't the function only get compiled into whichever object file happens to catch the header first?

[rough bloom]

compilation units are, as the name implies, compiled completely independently from each other
all headers are included in all of them

[sour harness]

(which could still result in amusing bugs)

[stone cedar]

No, the header guard doesn't protect from different compilation units including the same header, they have to.

[sour harness]

Ah right

[rough bloom]

the include guard only exists to make sure that a single header isn't included multiple times for one compilation unit

[sour harness]

So yeah, linker is gonna throw a fit

[opaque wharf]

Say the header get used by 2 separate compilation unit. Now when its time to link it you have 2 of the same function

[trim valve]

@olive sable I mildly forgot today is the weekend, did you want to try and do group tetrio

(note I am quite tired so will play like ass)

[olive sable]

im down

[sour harness]

Thinking about it of course that's how it has to be, or function signature declarations in headers wouldn't work

[tiny mango]

Has there ever been like. a Neurosama game jam?

[olive sable]

same lmao. i have exams

[stone cedar]

Unless the function is in anonymous namespace / has static keyword then it should be TU local and not an issue iirc

[trim valve]

I have exams on monday/tues/wed

lmao

[opaque wharf]

Lets not go there yet lol

[olive sable]

why must you torment m

this is a premade library, it shoudl just work

[sour harness]

Welcome to the C++ ecosystem KEKW

[opaque wharf]

Wait, that's .cpp file in the include?

[olive sable]

ye

[rough bloom]

I believe they are all in the top-level/anonymous namespace
also having multiple instances of static variables in a single executable is a can of worms of it's own

[sour harness]

Extremely scuffed way to swap out functions depending on the platform?

[olive sable]

originally c but it wouldnt work so ive been testing some shit

[olive sable]

we can play tomorrow if you prefer

[opaque wharf]

So its finally happened huh, including .cpp file

[tender river]

arguably even one is bad but externs work well enough

[trim valve]

probably better honestly

[olive sable]

python might be slow, but at least the ecosystem isnt this ass

[opaque wharf]

Yep, welcome to language without a package manager

[trim valve]

😭

[rough bloom]

the Python ecosystem is also kinda ass, but the C++ ecosystem is possibly the most ass ecosystem in existence

[opaque wharf]

This is why C and C++ gives you more freedom. Everyone is doing their own thing so its free for all

[olive sable]

python has pip, which is something.
you dont need to fiddle with moving files from your download to a folder with dll's and shit

[rigid snow]

yes, they're annual (attached to neuro bdays/subathons) around christmas

[rough bloom]

at least there's a lot of libraries and you don't really need FFI

[stone cedar]

top-level is not the same as anonymous namespace (or i guess the official name in unnamed namespace) and static keyword has a different meaning for functions than for variables.

[rough bloom]

this is where it shows that I do not actually ever write C++

but I'm pretty sure symbol names would clash regardless unless they're randomized somehow

[stone cedar]

tbf the names and reuse of keywords for entirely different things is just ass to learn or discuss c++ without being extermely pedantic.

[olive sable]

im beginning to think that the c++ syntax is flawed, even if it has nice brackets

[opaque wharf]

He is learning guys

[rigid snow]

the brackets SCHIZO

[opaque wharf]

He is starting to believe

[stone cedar]

[fast pagoda]

wait, it's all NodeListPrototype?

always has been

[opaque wharf]

M'fker thats not a tree, that's a road

[fast pagoda]

that's not even all of it

it keeps going

2 more entries till it gets to the apply function it was heading for

[rough bloom]

it pretty much picks a random name per translation unit, but allows references inside it
fancy, but also horrible, why must this exist

[rigid snow]

mhm the constructor of a prototype of a constructor is the same as that constructor

[mossy fossil]

else if.

[olive sable]

[hoary lion]

wsl's mnt is too powerful

[opaque wharf]

Everytime I see heterochromia, this is what I remember
https://x.com/lovesickdoe/status/1797941028328186215

(•˕ •マ.ᐟ (@lovesickdoe)

beautiful cat with homophobia 💛🩵

X · Jun 4, 2024, 10:38 AM

[sour harness]

She was so afraid of two things being the same she got herself differently colored eyes

[fast pagoda]

advanced

[uneven pulsar]

its not that bad

[olive sable]

i think i figured stuff out?
it opens as gl 4.6 and my shaders are 3.0es

thats why it wont render

[tiny mango]

:0 tysm!

[silver zephyr]

hey chat, i said this in gen but ima say it here, I made this Twitch user lookup thing, it’s basically like a profile viewer with stats and clips. I got bored and had nothing better to do lol, it doesnt have a domain yet but hopefully i can do that in 3 days, i noticed there werent many things like it so, i made something like it lol, i also just now made it into a discord bot

[opaque wharf]

So... twitch.tv with different UI?

[silver zephyr]

no

[olive sable]

ah yes, my favorite int, GL_DONT_CARE

aka 4352

[amber fractal]

My favorite int indeed

[uneven pulsar]

it might have some potential

[silver zephyr]

mhm

[opaque wharf]

What kind of stats are we talkin here?

[silver zephyr]

might expand it, dunno yet

[uneven pulsar]

think about it tbh

[uneven pulsar]

it looks like a good feature

[silver zephyr]

i wonder if twitch username ids can be reverted back to their usernames

[uneven pulsar]

it looks really a good profile inspection stats

showing his stats

and etc

[uneven pulsar]

but u would need some real database

and well some back end

[silver zephyr]

it has one

[silver zephyr]

dunno how much ill keep but least ik i can do it

[dry charm]

What was the website where you could check if an IP had a public accessable port/feature?

We are receiving a large DDOS from the same ASN

I think its literally a fleet of smart cars

The ASN belong to Mercedes

[tender river]

are you talking about shodan...?

[rough bloom]

in realtime or just a past scan?
if past scan is fine then you could put the IP range into Shodan

[dry charm]

yes, thank you

wtf no result found

[opaque wharf]

That's not the weirdest thing I've ever heard, but it's certainly up there lol

[dry charm]

time to read a large message to the mercedes abuse

[steel raven]

I don't know if its 'bad' to question this, but what is the Neuro-sama AI ? Is it using GPT or a different type of bot? Curious, as I'd love to mess around with a bot like that just to see what the limitations are. - If we're not meant to ask just let me know please and thanks.

[olive sable]

its a heavily finetuned model from god knows where

[steel raven]

ah gotcha, not public info then I take it?

[olive sable]

i dont think so

no

[steel raven]

okay, thanks 🙂

[olive sable]

goodluck

[rare bramble]

ye, hasn't really revealed anything about s model, training data or other aspects like that. pretty much 100% certain that it's not public api model though

[steel raven]

I stumbled across this AI on youtube, I dont even watch these types of streams, just thought the core AI was interesting. not looking to copy the formula, steam type, or anything like it for clarity outside of personal use for a day or so.

[rare bramble]

also had a stream during a day when chatGPT servers were down so at least it's not that

[steel raven]

oh that is interesting, now I really am curious, is this the brain child of Vedal? haha..... god if he wrote this himself I'll sub just for his efforts honestly.

[sour harness]

Yes. Neuro originally started out as a bot that plays Osu.

And some years later here we are

[steel raven]

I am unsure what Osu is..

[sour harness]

A music game that is way too popular for what it is

[steel raven]

ah gotcha, okay thanks.

[rare bramble]

it's basically a game about tracing a cursor and clicking to a beat

[steel raven]

ah I see, thanks I was about to look it up.

[rare bramble]

https://youtu.be/2QpbuPz8xXM?t=514

here is example of early osu streams

[steel raven]

thats insane, do we know if Neuro still has that capability?

[rare bramble]

I mean the osu bot was a separate bot from so, she didnt actually control the cursor, just talked over it

[steel raven]

ahh I see. okay. I didnt know if it was just one API that ran both

[rare bramble]

though nowadays, has the ability to make decisions with her LLM, so when she plays games, she does actually do that with her model

but it's pretty limited

[steel raven]

I watched the Stanly parable video, but quickly saw that was Vedal controlling while Neuro spoke over it.

[sour harness]

I guess that her minecraft bot is a separate model though and she communicates back and forth with it.

Because tacking that on to an LLM does not really work

[rare bramble]

ye, with stanley parable, was supposed to make the decisions with actually plaing the game

[opaque wharf]

Latest evil stream indeed confirmed that

[rare bramble]

but for example Slay the spire, Minecraft, buckshot roulette and such are played by s LLM

[steel raven]

huh interesting.. more research is needed then.

[opaque wharf]

You can see the API for yourself if you want

[steel raven]

strange, interesting strange. but yeah... wait the API is public?

[real sierra]

[rare bramble]

but even with minecraft, is controlling an action engine, where gives general overall commands to the minecraft engine, and the engine will execute them. isnt controlling the cursor in minecraft or such fine movements

[opaque wharf]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1336984506489376779

[rare bramble]

they made it possible for people to integrate the api into games

ye, it's the SDK

[steel raven]

thats amazing okay, thank you.

[stark needle]

[rare bramble]

mods, swap the count of protons and electrons their body

[olive sable]

isnt the amount of each about the same?

[opaque wharf]

I think due to ions needed for certain biological process that's not quite true

[olive sable]

ye, but we should have both positive and negative ions

otherwise there would be no voltage so no current

[sour harness]

But by definition, an ion has a different amount of electrons other that what they need to neutrality.

[olive sable]

yes, but its just the count we're inverting no?

[cosmic sphinx]

actually, I think MC atleast is handled by a separate AI system

[sour harness]

If it's the count in the ion state, that would be rather catastrophic

[cosmic sphinx]

neuro and evil just have the ability to 'prompt' or control it in some way

[olive sable]

i was just thinking the count as in the amount

[rare bramble]

ye, i clarified in a later comment

[olive sable]

anyways, i figured out that on local the shaders wont for some reason render but i can change the background colour. so here's that i guess

oh fuck

[tender river]

AAAH SPEEDLINES

you have no idea how much i hate speedlines

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/neurosama-evil-neuro-embed-failure-gif-15456327638408323033

[tender river]

they are like lines but theres A LOT OF THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE AND THEY HAVE VARYING THICKNESS

absolute horror

[sour harness]

Eurobeat intensifies

[real sierra]

why do you hate them

[tender river]

imagine someone giving you a picture with speedlines then erasing parts of them and telling you to fix it

now imagine them doing it a billion times

again and again

again and again

it would leave you scarred for life too

[stark needle]

What are yall planning to do to me

[olive sable]

DEJA VU, i havent been.....

https://tenor.com/view/drift-tokyo-tokyo-drift-car-car-drift-gif-659557936625595852

[real sierra]

these lights are pretty

[opaque wharf]

Ahh, yes, space heater masquerading as lamp

[real sierra]

oops

wrong channel

sorry

[olive sable]

lmao

[opaque wharf]

No, this is #programming, we never go off topic. Ever

[tender river]

correct channel

[olive sable]

this one should embed

so ye, shaders wont shader, bg will bg

does show the diff in speed nicely between browser and local

[opaque sigil]

i wonder how much improvement you'd get from a handrolled wasm implementation

aka compiling to wasm manually and adding the glue yourself

probably not that much ig

[olive sable]

probably a decent amount, but i cant write wasm so

this is without compiler optimizations

[opaque sigil]

i didn't mean writing wasm manually, moreso doing what emscripten does

[olive sable]

ah

idk

[olive sable]

thje browser is apparently faster i i focus it

[opaque sigil]

could be worth looking into once everything works already as an optimisation

[olive sable]

so not a accurate comparisan

slapped an -O3 on there, not much faster but still noticable

[rough bloom]

I'd assume not much
a lot of the slowdown is probably from the FFI between JS and wasm, and that doesn't really change unless you just do the rendering in JS (or use fewer calls)

[sage crag]

nop

correct place

[opaque sigil]

how much glue code do they even ship actually

[olive sable]

about this much

[sage crag]

hi since we last talk, the hblang runtime is now written in hblang and not nasm

[rare bramble]

essaying holy

[opaque sigil]

oh

[gritty dust]

readability 100%

[opaque sigil]

jesus

[olive sable]

211K characters

[opaque sigil]

[rough bloom]

the entire project is glue code to glue C to the browser
if you just mean their JS-side API implementation, those seem to be here
https://github.com/emscripten-core/emscripten/tree/main/src/lib

[sour harness]

Love the warning about tokenizing long lines in the middle of it all

[opaque sigil]

yeah i was mainly talking about the js part

guess they do need to ship all of it

[olive sable]

most of it is for emscripten features im not even using

[opaque sigil]

yup

[olive sable]

the wasm looks somewhat like this i guess

[real sierra]

how do i make a photo of a lamp on topic for this channel

uhh uhm

[opaque sigil]

if you install the wasm binary toolkit there's wasm2wat for converting it to its textural representation if you're ever curious about that

[olive sable]

electrical enfgineerign

[real sierra]

wow light transfer simulations sure are getting advanced huh guys

[sour harness]

smart home integration

[rigid snow]

google "wasm wat"

[real sierra]

i dont have a smart home i have a dumb home

this building probably has three digits in its age

[sour harness]

while you are at it also google "destroy all software wat"

[olive sable]

thats normal here

[opaque wharf]

Is it smart lamp?

[rigid snow]

insane render, what game engine is this?

[olive sable]

python

[opaque wharf]

Sam game engine

[real sierra]

its custom

[rough bloom]

Unreal Engine 6

[opaque wharf]

That takes me back

[opaque wharf]

Perfect. Destroy it and make it techbro home

[olive sable]

wat, unit of power

[opaque sigil]

nice js

[tender river]

push it

[rough bloom]

yeah, they seem to run it through a preprocessor

[rigid snow]

wasi
also wtf js through a preprocessor

[olive sable]

kinda lkike the c++ preproccessor i guess

[sage crag]

oh uhh

soery playing lethal company

[tender river]

[rigid snow]

it is that lmao, btw the idea of preprocessing js isn't anything new everyone does that everyday, it's just not with...

[olive sable]

ah

[opaque wharf]

TS is preprocessor

[opaque sigil]

makes it easier to port the implementations over 1:1 i guess

[opaque wharf]

[olive sable]

well anyways, i need to figure out why my shaders wont render locally

im guessign shaders wont compile?

[sour harness]

That's a nice floor for time-to-first-token, even when considering this is a 100% prefix cache hit. Prompts process at around 3k token/s, so there's a lot of leeway to stay under 400ms or so response time. I'm scared of the yet unknown TTS TTFT latency though...

I understand Vedal's struggle against latency so much more now...

That's a hard target to hit though

[opaque wharf]

What about processing the prompt before the 200ms timeout?

[sour harness]

Yeah, I was thinking about speculative early responses

[opaque wharf]

So let the llm process what is available at that time

While the remaining is queued

[rigid snow]

i always wondered, why can't you stream the llm output into the tts

in real-time

[olive sable]

filtered

[sour harness]

You can't "add" data while the LLM is running. You have to restart the query.

[opaque wharf]

I see

[rigid snow]

well it's more fun if it triggers as soon as the problematic tokens are generated

[opaque wharf]

How about running the query in parallel? Would need ton of gpu memory tho

[rigid snow]

you technically can it's just gonna be slow to shuffle memory around

[sour harness]

If the TTS has to take the sentence structure into account to give good speech inflection, you can't give it half sentences.

I'm rather sure that Neuro does TTS sentence-by-sentence due to latency reasons. But you run into the problem that inter-sentence inflections get lost. Her monotone voice masks that.

[opaque wharf]

In parallel as in, the first 200ms the prompt is cut, then processed, and the next streaming prompt is queied, if the first one hasn't finished then run this in parallel

[olive sable]

good Sunday yall

[sour harness]

Yes, that would be speculative execution and what I will eventually do. Basically repeatedly execute and cancel until you happen to hit the right time to respond.

[opaque wharf]

I'm not ML expert so I don't know how feasible that is and how it would affect the output

[opaque wharf]

Ahh I see

[sour harness]

It makes you miss up to the last 200ms of a sentence though

[opaque wharf]

See, speculative execution is not all vulnerability guys

[sour harness]

It also makes you very sensitive to the voice activation detection parameters (what you use to checkif someone is speaking). Wouldn't want to interrupt someone just because they made a small pause.

[opaque wharf]

Realistically speaking, LLM can infer enough information (probably)

[sour harness]

Yeah of course. Most of the information has long gone by by that point.

[rigid snow]

well yes but that's not that big of a deal if the tts say has a lookahead window of 10 tokens (starts generating only while having 10 tokens of context), the llm is always going to be faster than speech and the tts is going to have enough context to do inflections

[sour harness]

That assumes that you can stream in new text into the TTS as it comes in. Current (open-source) TTS technology doesn't support that.

[rigid snow]

i know it doesn't which is why i'm bringing this up

i don't see why this isn't possible

[opaque wharf]

Actual real world development in #programming ? No way

[sour harness]

I think most TTS systems are autoregressive so in principle it shouldn't be that hard.

Just plop a token buffer in front of it and delay execution until you have enough material to continue

[rigid snow]

though this approach is meh given audio output llms exist and are better at this

they have the llm context to guess the upcoming inflection

which is actually real-time

[opaque wharf]

I was mulling about this and wondering how feasible it would be to train a small network as a heuristic to check if a sentence from a speaker is probably complete or not within the 200ms window

[sour harness]

My approach will probably be to wait for the first complete sentence, run that through TTS, then wait for the rest of the text and put that into TTS at once. If the LLM generating the text and the TTS are fast enough it it should finish before the first sentence is done. Then stitch it together, even if if loses the context between the two outputs.

[rare bramble]

how did you render this so well?

this is the best render I can do

not the same lamp but best I could find

[rigid snow]

wow that hdri is so realistic

[sour harness]

Alternatively use a fixed seed, generate the first sentence first and then everything including the first sentence again, then stitch those together. The overlapping part should be the same.

[stark needle]

It's not feasible

Unless ur basically

[sour harness]

Elevenlabs supports streaming in text, because of course it does :/

[stark needle]

Using a audio generation llm

[opaque wharf]

The expert has finally come

[sour harness]

(I'm highly suspecting that Neuro voice V2 runs on Elevenlabs and Evil doesn't)

[rigid snow]

i thought neuro v2 voice IS evil's voice

[stark needle]

11labs is not economical

[sour harness]

oh right

[stark needle]

After the quota

[sour harness]

Well, Neuro's current voice

[stark needle]

It becomes extremely expensive

[rigid snow]

neuro's current voice is microsoft azure tts "ashley" pitched up

[olive sable]

not officialy confirmed i think, but very likely

[rigid snow]

what do you mean not officially confirmed

[olive sable]

is it?

did the tutel confirm it?

if he did i missed that stream

[rigid snow]

do you really need confirmation? it's a public product you can go try it

[rare bramble]

actually a better image of there being a lamp inside the glass bulb instead of the bulb just glowing itself

[opaque wharf]

I am still haunted by this image from the last stream. So all of you should suffer too

[sour harness]

Azure TTS doesn't seem to return word timestamps.

[olive sable]

def has render artifects, but what wbout the bg?

[sour harness]

So the timed subtitles would be very hard to do

[opaque wharf]

Anyways, goodnight all. Its morning here it means time to sleep

[olive sable]

also help me push that image up by typing text, but dont spam

this is very important

cuz that image is very ugly

[sour harness]

(which is a notable difference between Neuro and Evil. Neuro has perfectly timed subtitles, while Evil has the same length for each word)

[opaque wharf]

Imma send it to you once everyday just to spite you

[olive sable]

i will block you

and i will sue you

for traumatizing un underage child with unsolicitid pictures

cant spell lol

[rare bramble]

it's just a image that is stretched over the whole scene, if a ray misses all object it will calculate a position to hit in the outer sphere based on trajectory

[olive sable]

ah

i see

[amber fractal]

Scrolls up
Nope

[rare bramble]

it looks wonky but it works

[rigid snow]

btw i would show you but i can't make an azure account due to my geographical circumstances if you know what i mean

[olive sable]

i dont but i wont press

oh i can gues si think

you're 2 hours after me

[prime ridge]

Idk it doesn't sound that similar

Prolly has voice changer on top

Not just pitching

[rigid snow]

it's literally just pitched up

[sour harness]

Elevenlabs also has voice cloning, so even if it originally was Azure he might have switched over.

[rigid snow]

it also is hella similar without pitching up

[sour harness]

Elevenlabs also conveniently outputs timestamps for the spoken words which I haven't seen anywhere else. He could strap some custom text <-> audio alignment model into the pipeline, but that would increase latency by a lot and not be as stable as it has shown to be.

And there would be no reason for Evil to not also have perfectly timed subtitles.

[tender river]

ddg redirected me here when i used an empty bang

[rare bramble]

also the render artifacts go away with time, it basically starts out as semi random noise and keeps getting clearer as the frames accumulate on eachother

[opaque wharf]

I can't seem to sleep boys. So I'm gonna make it y'all problem again

[rare bramble]

I just didnt want to wait that long

[prime ridge]

hm I pitched neuro down and it sounds a bit like "ashley"

I mean it still seems slightly different

[rigid snow]

it’s the pitch setting

[prime ridge]

ah that makes sense

cuz when I put it in audacity is sounds similar but not 100%

im assuming azure doesn't just do a simple speed up to increase pitch but rather a part of the neural network

[rigid snow]

like, the parameter you set when you make the request to generate audio

[prime ridge]

yes ik

that's pretty nifty

I never would have known

[stark needle]

bwa bwa bwa bwa bwa

[prime ridge]

[stark needle]

shad

[opaque wharf]

Oh boy here we go again

[stark needle]

I'm tired

[opaque wharf]

Don't we all?

[stark needle]

I should either implode or keep drawing

[rigid snow]

also that was a thing basically everywhere with tts for years and years, it’s just the modern solutions that don’t expose the parameter (i’m guessing due to the tts architectures not being designed with this in mind)

[amber fractal]

buhflipexplode

[rigid snow]

since tts was exclusively an accessibility thing until recently it makes sense for them to have that

[prime ridge]

no I am well aware. I've used these things before. I just find it interesting that vedal used this instead of something more complex

[olive sable]

please dont implode

[rigid snow]

it was an experiment, a prototype that just happened to blow up, also if he used the free default hiyori model what makes you think he wouldn’t use an off the shelf tts solution

[prime ridge]

yeah ig lol

[olive sable]

ohhhhhh

i get it

it needs to be 4 bytes long

local makes the floats 8 bytes long

wait, woudlnt that be a double then?

[opaque sigil]

indeed

[olive sable]

float vertices[9] =
{
    -0.5f, -0.5f, 0.0f,
    0.5f,  -0.5f, 0.0f,
    0.0f,  0.5f,  0.0f
};

why are these doubles?????

it makes no sense

[opaque sigil]

are they? what does sizeof(vertices) say

[olive sable]

the 2nd number printed

its 8 on local, 4 on browser

[rough bloom]

it's a pointer to the float

not the float itself

[olive sable]

wut?

[opaque sigil]

oh yeah

x is a pointer

wasm is 32 bit so the pointer is that big too

[olive sable]

but that means im also passing a pointer to the gpu? cuz otherwise idd be getting dispaly

[opaque sigil]

you're passing a pointer to the beginning of an array of floats

[olive sable]

ye

but im passing this array to the gpu, where it should output a triangle unless its 64bit

and since im not getting display that means its 64 bit

[rough bloom]

no, you're getting a pointer because that's how the stupid C++ iterators work
that only matters in the for-loop
the OpenGL API also takes a pointer to the array but that's fine, that's just how C APIs work

[opaque sigil]

floats aren't going to just magically turn into doubles

c++ might be fucked up but it's not that fucked up

[olive sable]

there has to be a mistake in here somewhere

[opaque sigil]

btw unrelated but instead of (void*)0 you can just use nullptr

[olive sable]

ill have to use void later for the other things passed to the gpu

so idk

[opaque sigil]

should be equivalent

there's also NULL which is defined as exactly (void*)0 but i think you have to include it from a header in c++

either way

something is fishy

try checking all the return values from the opengl functions i guess

[opaque wharf]

No, don't assume this. The inverse may be true (double can't be float)

[opaque sigil]

okay but they're declared as floats and used as such here

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I see that too and I am scratching my head

[silver zephyr]

ive decided instead of having multiple commands i can just pack it into one command, with the exception of the staff command

[opaque sigil]

we figured out the 8 bytes at least, he's printing pointers

now the question is why does it not work

[rough bloom]

they don't have return values
instead OpenGL keeps a queue of error codes that you have to fetch

apparently you can do this though
https://www.khronos.org/opengl/wiki/OpenGL_Error#Catching_errors_(the_easy_way)

[opaque sigil]

even better

[opaque wharf]

If I am Sam, I will scream so loud lol

[silver zephyr]

i hate that embeds have a character limit, and i cant be fucked to trim them

[opaque sigil]

inb4 it's going to be some stupid stack overflow shenanigans

[olive sable]

why?

[rough bloom]

I would also scream if I had to use C++

[opaque wharf]

The error handling is fucked

[amber fractal]

Just don't error they said

[opaque wharf]

Will attaching a debugger help??

[silver zephyr]

oh well, it can stay as a single command

[olive sable]

no, it just goes "oopsie it fucked up"

no real errors

[opaque sigil]

click on the link above

[olive sable]

as fdar as ive tried at least

[olive sable]

ye i did, im trying to add it

[amber fractal]

Surely vulkan has a better method of dealing with errors

[olive sable]

vulkan is supported by DSL

[opaque sigil]

simply don't have errors

[olive sable]

im just not sane enough to try vulkan rn

i will have another crash out

and it wont be about brackets this time

[amber fractal]

Sane enough for C++ but not vulkan, noted

[olive sable]

im losing sanity quickly tho

[rough bloom]

they do
the functions have actual return values
also there's validation layers which make sure you're using the API correctly

[heavy quest]

Is there java compatibility with Vulkan?

[opaque sigil]

i'm sure there are a gazillion wrappers

[heavy quest]

Wouldn’t surprise me

[opaque wharf]

Uhhh, what is sizeof(vertices)?

[olive sable]

its 9

[opaque wharf]

I tried to read the docs

[olive sable]

cuz there are 3 vertices, with 3 flaots each

[opaque wharf]

size

Specifies the size in bytes of the buffer object's new data store.

So...

It should not be 9

[stone cedar]

thats 4 * 3 * 3 because sizeof(float) = 4

[rough bloom]

is sizeof(vertices) actually 9
because I think it should be 8 (or 4)

[opaque wharf]

that's what I'm thinking

[olive sable]

lemme retry

[opaque wharf]

vertices are ptr. Sizeof will return the sizeof ptr

[olive sable]

36 now. this stuff is weird.

changes eacht ime

[stone cedar]

unles its a local array

[opaque wharf]

I see

[olive sable]

4*9 is 36 tho so it should be good?

[opaque wharf]

Yep

[opaque wharf]

Does it needs the & operator before being passed to function that receive *?

I mean the *

It shouldn't right?

[opaque sigil]

it's not, it's an array

no that'd be passing a float**

[rough bloom]

why must C be like this

[olive sable]

float vertices[9] =
{
  -0.5f, -0.5f, 0.0f,
  0.5f,  -0.5f, 0.0f,
  0.0f,  0.5f,  0.0f
};

glBindBuffer(GL_ARRAY_BUFFER, VBO);
glBufferData(GL_ARRAY_BUFFER, sizeof(vertices), vertices, GL_STATIC_DRAW);

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I'm just questioning my sanity here

[olive sable]

i have no clue whats ahppening

is there a way to force the size?

[opaque sigil]

the code you sent is correct

[sour harness]

9* sizeof(float)

[rough bloom]

wdym force the size, it's correct already

[olive sable]

i meant of the array when passing it

[opaque sigil]

if it wasn't it wouldn't in wasm either realistically

wdym

[opaque wharf]

What is the GL version again? 3.0es?

[warped narwhal]

There is the countof iirc that will tell you the size of the array, multiply this with sizeof to get the size in bytes

[olive sable]

3.0es ye

[rough bloom]

turns out that sizeof already does that
edit smh
anyway sizeof works properly for this and gives the expected result

[olive sable]

or well, its supposed to be but im getting back GL_VERSION: OpenGL ES 3.2 NVIDIA 572.83
the shaders should still be compatibl tho

lemme try something

[warped narwhal]

Opengl Es?

Oops forgot to stop replying

[olive sable]

yes es

cuz browser

[warped narwhal]

Oh also don't forget that offsetof exists, it's really useful for Vertex layouts Vertex attributes

[olive sable]

at thsi point im thinking it might just be a version problem

[warped narwhal]

You said that sizeof vertices was returning 4, correct?

[olive sable]

now its 36

[warped narwhal]

Or 8 on desktop and 4 on the browser

[olive sable]

that was cuz of the pointer

[opaque sigil]

he was being silly and printed the size of pointers to the individual elements inside the array

[olive sable]

its stupid that pointers arent the same siz eas the object

it should just return the same value

[opaque sigil]

that would completely invalidate their reason for existence

[olive sable]

i guess ye

[warped narwhal]

Well, if you had an object that was 100mb in size, you wouldn't want the pointer to also be that size

[olive sable]

im just annoyed at this

[opaque sigil]

you'll get used to it dw

it's just at the beginning where everything is new

[warped narwhal]

A genuine hint to get you slightly more accustomed to pointers, is to use Hungarian notation, just until you get the hang of them

[opaque wharf]

Oh god no

Not the hungarian notation

[warped narwhal]

Aka, don't call your variable "vertices" cause arrays don't exist in c++ in the way that they do in python, call it "pVertices" instead, so that you can recognise that you are passing in a pointer

[warped narwhal]

I know it's horrible, but you can't deny that it helps you learn at the start

Damn lpcwstr or whatever it's called is the bain of my existence

[opaque sigil]

or just use std::array

[opaque wharf]

Can't pass that to the gl now can we?

....can we?

[opaque sigil]

you can get a pointer to the underlying data

[sour harness]

Ah yes templating, let's stack another layer of confusion on top for the beginner

[opaque wharf]

Oh, nice. Didn't know that. I'm used to vector

[warped narwhal]

Vector has the .data function as well

[opaque wharf]

Is it guaranteed to be contiguous on assignment?

[warped narwhal]

Yes

Vectors are always contiguous, as they reallocate and move/copy the whole array when they run out of space

[opaque wharf]

I see. Man, I need to refresh my C/C++ now

[olive sable]

im beginning to see some problems

lemme fix

does opengl es 3.0 even work locally?

[opaque wharf]

Uhh, I mean in memory. Because if we need the pointer, we usually need the data to be contiguous in memory no?

Great

[warped narwhal]

You may be thinking of a deque

Which has a linked list of arrays

And is therefor not contiguous

[rough bloom]

apparently yes, as long as you also link to libGLES and not libGL (or whatever the Windows equivalents of those are)

[olive sable]

i dont think it does that

if i try to do that it defaults to a newer version

[warped narwhal]

Your using glad right? Did you select gles on the configuration site?

[olive sable]

fuck it, if statement go brrr

[olive sable]

im using gles

[warped narwhal]

I mean as your loader

[olive sable]

?

[warped narwhal]

Also you cannot request specific open gl versions

[olive sable]

yes i can

and i wil

[warped narwhal]

You can only request minimum versions. The loader will give you the most recent version you have, and will error if that is less than what you asked for

[olive sable]

no im pretty sure i can

[warped narwhal]

The program/code you use to enable opengl, as windows does not have this by default

[olive sable]

SDL and glew

[warped narwhal]

I see, give me one sec to check some docs

[olive sable]

setting the version to 3.3 core works, but it doesnt help with makign it render

./main
Init OpenGL
GLEW initialised
OpenGL initialized
GL_VERSION: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 572.83

[tender river]

just remembered my C++ war crimes (using #pragma comment(lib, ...) instead of editing msvs project settings because i hated and still hate visual studio)

[opaque sigil]

based

[warped narwhal]

Oh lmao, yep I did that for a while with d3d12.lib and dxgi.lib

[amber fractal]

Hot take: This is most usages of float outside of graphics and color management.

[warped narwhal]

I think I learned to do it from a youtuber called chillitomatonoodle and his hw3d series

[opaque wharf]

See sucker pinch for other usage of floating point

But the usage is ill advised

[amber fractal]

(AI is not real)

[warped narwhal]

Yup, I was mistaking opengl with how directx works. In direct x you give the device the version you require to function, but it will give you the maximum supported feature level

[tender river]

what did she mean by this

[olive sable]

i wonder

[tender river]

my notes are peak

10 pages of unfiltered thoughts that i dont even have to read because they are outdated by the time i finish writing it

[sage crag]

i wonder therefore i however

[olive sable]

so it used to wrk on browser and not on local

i have fixed hat

now it works on neither

[tender river]

thats why frequent commits are good

[opaque sigil]

did you really fix it then

[tender river]

you will at least know what you changed

[olive sable]

i know what i changed so its not a problem

just was in a difrrent file

[olive sable]

i decided to try renderdoc

looks liek the vertices are getting passed, jsut not rendered?

depth test failed???????

brother its the only thing being rendered on screen

[stone cedar]

But it is at z=1

[sage crag]

managed to get hblang hello world down to 1872 bytes

[stone cedar]

wait no

[tender river]

the beauty of opengl

[olive sable]

z=1 works in browser

[sage crag]

smol

would be faster if it didnt contain all of this garbage lol

[olive sable]

i have disabled depth testing
im sure this wont cause any issues whatsoever

[sage crag]

nvm 1000 bytes

[tender river]

under a kibibyte

[gritty dust]

im built different

[sage crag]

doesnt change much about the asm still being inefficient

maybe soon

[tender river]

i lost faith in compilers after looking at C disassembly

[sage crag]

look at this disassembly

[tender river]

you mean size inefficient?

i.e. keeping inlined symbols in there?

because the code itself isnt 100% optimal but its pretty alright since each syscall does have to be set up separately

though obviously theres a lot of missed opportunity for using constants instead of registers

[sage crag]

this is the main one

if stuff could be stored in read only data instead it would be better

[tender river]

night dont forget to push

[sage crag]

right

i think its possible to get this down to like 500 bytes in nasm though

[sage crag]

i got it down to 904 by altering the behaviour of print to just print directly

[gritty dust]

[stone cedar]

But isn't the z axis of the bottom left pointing down? is that supposed to be like that?

looks kinda off

[gritty dust]

(the z axis isnt coded so its using random pixel data, i dont care about it because when I use it, itll be on flat area so the z axis would be constant later

so yes the z axis data is wonky lol

whoops

apparently the device is trying to use gpu but I want it to use cpu so uhh time to force it

[warped narwhal]

Are you using the cross product to get the z axis?

[gritty dust]

(im not using it at all lol, these codes are just meant to be on a flat area so I can convert x,y pixels to mm, but the z axis its just using the pixel count for another value instead of the actual number because I dont need z axis, i just put it there because xyz looks nicer than just x,y lol

so ignore the z lol

[gritty dust]

this should fix it hopefully

[opaque sigil]

is that with the cpu only version of pytorch?

[gritty dust]

OH

WAIT

[opaque sigil]

or are you trying to use the gpu for parts of it

[gritty dust]

YOU'RE SO RIGHT

one sec lads

[opaque sigil]

https://download.pytorch.org/whl/cpu should be the index url

[gritty dust]

slay

[opaque sigil]

[gritty dust]

[olive sable]

the z axis in webgl is inverted.....

......

https://tenor.com/view/kedinehir-nehirkedi-mitcikedi-gif-9396221664717142950

[opaque sigil]

time to conditionally define an extra coefficient to use everywhere or sth

[olive sable]

i cant figure out why itrs doing this, ill figure it out later

Desktop OpenGL (4.6) NDC depth range is [-1, 1].
OpenGL ES (3.0) and WebGL NDC depth range is [0, 1].

ah, i see

imma sleep

[stone cedar]

You might be able to use glClipSpace (or whatever its called) to make Desktop behave the same as ES 3.0 at least in depth range, not sure about z direction

[olive sable]

Ill see how i can fux it

[hoary lion]

Wife material spotted

[woeful flower]

https://tenor.com/view/the-frog-mage-snow-angel-flying-spells-magic-gif-15975422686925864249

[frozen igloo]

[amber fractal]

[desert wave]

oh, it's meant to be 10³ but the formatting ate it

[dusky jackal]

Man.. 2025 and still no AI ASMR besides that weird yeti shit. You would think it would be everywhere by now, but no.

[burnt aurora]

Good

Please have it stay that way

[opaque wharf]

Good afternoon everyone

[uneven pulsar]

good morning

[stark needle]

Morning

[fast pagoda]

create pr

copilot says "code review uwu?"

ok fine
it suggests extracting some stylesheet transforms out of the main index of this webpage
ok fine sure yeah i mean i should just put it all in the css after all
ruins my life for the next hour because the transition is just broken

good evening

[fast pagoda]

neuro sama

[dusky jackal]

You don’t understand. Tbh I just listen to 10 hr industrial factory background noises, that helps me sleep. I’m not listening to meat-flappy flesh-slop from glorified salami-apes.

[blissful geyser]

How to make coding on mobile less painful

[fast pagoda]

*more painful

[opaque wharf]

HELLO CHAAAT

[opaque wharf]

No matter how less painful waterboarding is, I don't intend to try it out either way

[ruby timber]

Good morning!

[hoary lion]

Morning stella

[ruby timber]

Hi osage :>

[tender river]

imagine llms learning on this

[hoary lion]

bwa

time to eep

[ruby timber]

Good night!

[maiden geyser]

morbing

[stark needle]

????? That's insane

Where does the keyboard go tho :(

[opaque wharf]

Use external keebs

[stark needle]

😭

Google Keyboard

NOOOOO

I love purchasing happy people

i think I'm going insane — time to code

[fast pagoda]

proof that you are in fact insane

[uneven pulsar]

guys

chatgpt lost to a 2600 atari chess game

[maiden geyser]

stupid ass ai award

[burnt aurora]

https://fixupx.com/omooretweets/status/1933938122888470634?t=2JyyhGxBw_cLs0fWzl7U1Q&s=19

Olivia Moore (@omooretweets)

AI ASMR is blowing up
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FixupX · Jun 14, 2025, 5:22 PM

[knotty current]

[dense cosmos]

y is it good tho

[unkempt citrus]

Because its asmr, ts not like that shits hard

and theres so much training data

[olive sable]

goodmorning

[opaque wharf]

Is it morning tho?

[olive sable]

its 11am

mornign ish

[jagged turtle]

nowhere near morning for me

[olive sable]

11, not 1, typo

[sour harness]

same here, so I guess "morning" is winning right now

[south needle]

liar

[south needle]

nvm your right its 11 am

[olive sable]

[ruby timber]

I mean, it's sunday so who cares about when you get up

[fast pagoda]

my arch distro's python spontaneously combusted

nice

[south needle]

use nixos

[fast pagoda]

was troubleshooting with that gemini fellow

i feel like the chances someone configured nixos for wsl are small but i havent looked

[maiden geyser]

should've rewritten it in rust?

[fast pagoda]

nvm instantly on googol

https://github.com/nix-community/NixOS-WSL

[south needle]

i use nixos on wsl

[fast pagoda]

you use this one?

or a different one

ill try it fk it

[south needle]

i use this one

[fast pagoda]

guess that's what i'm doin

[south needle]

glhf

[fast pagoda]

im actually pissed because that arch install lasted like one(1) week

and i didnt even use it for days, boot it up, python is destroyed

?

some pacman -Syu failed or something maybe

[trim valve]

the arch experience™️

[south needle]

yep that stuff never happens to us nixos users. INSTEAD we get 'Infinite recursion at undefined place'

have fun fixing that

[fast pagoda]

welcome to *nix
pick yer poison

lol

im salty because i was all booted into remote with that ready to work

😡

[uneven pulsar]

dose anyone here know godot

[fast pagoda]

i hear vaedle loves being asked about godot

[uneven pulsar]

like i do know how to use it but i cant figure out how to apply a trail effect for the player

i been progressing a lot check this out

the trail is silly and preatty bad but it passed the test for the code

[fast pagoda]

lmao the max volume sound effects + ripped sanic sprite and circles for a trail

me in unity

i should try godot

[uneven pulsar]

i am makinga a 2d sonic physic game

[uneven pulsar]

its very easy

[fast pagoda]

easier than unity? unity was real easy to get ahold of

[blissful geyser]

Controller

[uneven pulsar]

for the sprites for sonic the community offers a loy of sprites if you want to make custom sonic fan games

[blissful geyser]

I actually just use a bluetooth controller

[ruby timber]

Definitely simpler in its approach

[fast pagoda]

damn

[uneven pulsar]

it uses python

[fast pagoda]

oh well then i alreay know it

[uneven pulsar]

as scripting language and faster

[fast pagoda]

no c#

[uneven pulsar]

no c# simple faster python

[fast pagoda]

hey this vedla987 guy should try godot

[uneven pulsar]

are you trying to not ping vedal huh

[fast pagoda]

i just like mentioning him in case he backreads just so he can be more disappointed

[uneven pulsar]

anyways

i am rally trying to create a boost trail for sanic

but i cant figure out how to apply it

or eeven find a proper working one

[fast pagoda]

i searched it and found line2d

[uneven pulsar]

yeah i did

but i want it to do the thing just like sonic do

but in godot its a bit tricky

to do

[fast pagoda]

depending on the game he pretty much just had like a translucent blue cylinder shitting out of him

like in adventure 1

i feel like

[uneven pulsar]

yeah but there are fan games uses boost and some how made a 100% 2d boost mechanic

they used some custom fan game mod engine

its called sonic world engine smt?

or uhh rounder engine wait its for 3d

[fast pagoda]

is that the one that christian whitehead made for ios or whatever

i think that was his name

[uneven pulsar]

what

[fast pagoda]

have you tried GPUParticles2D

since the boost im assuming you mean something like this if not a line

[uneven pulsar]

yeah something like this

uuh wait no tho

[fast pagoda]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Whitehead

im not crazy im just old

he made a sonic game in like 2007

fan game

and then sega forgor how to make sonic feel like sonic in 2d

and they ended up recruiting him and using the engine

and theyre still using that engine

[uneven pulsar]

w sega

[fast pagoda]

they used it for sonic origins

like 3 years ago

[uneven pulsar]

unlike nitendo

[fast pagoda]

retro engine is a cool thing to have happened

[uneven pulsar]

wait OOOOOOOOOOOOOOh

OOOOOOOOH I FORGOT

[fast pagoda]

[uneven pulsar]

but its old

and not really the best but godot is more flexible

i dont think its public to use

[pulsar rock]

Did retro engine get open sourced? I know there was a decomp/recomp of sonic mania which uses the retro engine...

[uneven pulsar]

still godot way flexible

[uneven pulsar]

i think its called sonic world? engine?

[fast pagoda]

well if it's anything like what i posted there my extensive 2 seconds of googling that you surely havent already done have resulted in the conclusion that you should use GPUParticles2D as a child node to the player and then fuck around with the gravity and stuff so it doesnt fall down and it'll pretty much trail behind him

[uneven pulsar]

i know it cuz it made some sonic exe fan games smt

[uneven pulsar]

oooooooh ok

[fast pagoda]

there is a "trail" toggle on those

[uneven pulsar]

then il have to change the node an refix the code to work with gpuparticals2d

[uneven pulsar]

oh wow

[fast pagoda]

https://docs.godotengine.org/en/latest/tutorials/2d/particle_systems_2d.html

[uneven pulsar]

REALLY THANKS

you helped me a lot

[fast pagoda]

happy to be of service

sometiems you just need a 2nd set of eyes

[maiden geyser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NqnZZR3S20

templeos coding music

[fast pagoda]

RIP terry

gone but never forgotten

[maiden geyser]

"we still talk about you"

[uneven pulsar]

func hide_boost_bar():
    if boost_bar:
        boost_bar.visible = false

func start_boost_trail():
    if boost_trail:
        boost_trail.emitting = true
        
        # Access the process material (ParticleProcessMaterial)
        var material = boost_trail.process_material as ParticleProcessMaterial
        if material:
            # Set direction based on Sonic's facing direction
            var trail_direction = 180.0 if not sprite.flip_h else 0.0  # 180° = left, 0° = right
            material.direction = Vector3(cos(deg_to_rad(trail_direction)), sin(deg_to_rad(trail_direction)), 0)
            
            # Set initial velocity
            material.initial_velocity_min = 150.0
            material.initial_velocity_max = 250.0
            
         
            material.angular_velocity_min = -45.0
            material.angular_velocity_max = 45.0
            
            # Make particles fade out over time
            material.scale_min = 0.5
            material.scale_max = 1.0
            
        print("Boost trail started")

i mean it did work out but uhh idk about the texture

like if it doesn't work out it might look sluggish

tbh to be honset this is not my code

[olive sable]

both native and web work now

i have no clue why native was being so ass but atleast no more problems

seems to be linked to vsync

now comes the fun part.... had do you do matrices in opengl?

[uneven pulsar]

i just found that the deleted JetBrains python ide creating a virus in my pc

like while i was deleting jetvrains it somehow created a virus on my pc

and i had no idea

fuck jetbrains

[burnt aurora]

What virus

And where did you download the thing

[uneven pulsar]

while i was deleting jet brains ide

official one i long ago i got a fatal error

[burnt aurora]

And what's the virus you claim to have

[uneven pulsar]

yeah

when i was deleting the jet brains ide windows couldn't find it

[burnt aurora]

And you think that means that it's a virus?

[maiden geyser]

must be the cia

[uneven pulsar]

it is

[burnt aurora]

That's not how malware works m8

[uneven pulsar]

i scanned the device and the lost data folder of the ide is the hidden virus not sure

or maybe memory corruption

[burnt aurora]

Or you just uninstalled the ide

[uneven jay]

I used to believe inserting a dirty cd or USB drive without blowing on it is how viruses are made

[uneven pulsar]

well look

[burnt aurora]

But it's not a virus just because windows is being stupid again

[uneven jay]

its just the messy windows application/program management

if you installed something and then remove its files without uninstaller

obviously it's still going to be in the appwiz.cpl / whatever

and trying to uninstall it from there will fail

[burnt aurora]

[uneven jay]

idk why I say windows

[burnt aurora]

Windows apps were a mistake

[uneven jay]

all desktop systems except mobile apps where it's locked down tight suffers this issue to some extent

[maiden geyser]

trve

especially hurts when you want to uninstall something but it just errors out and leaves no option but to delete the folder

[olive sable]

"winrar is not real"

im suprised the ms store doesnt have winrar tho

[burnt aurora]

Inb4 he finds out that steam isn't on the ms store

[tiny mango]

Tbf a lot of older tools have the shittiest download pages of all time