programming

[trim valve]

show her shorts

[gritty dust]

caibi... If my dad gave me a PC at 3 then... how cooked am I

[midnight sigil]

wuh what is this song

[midnight sigil]

what do you mean by at 3

[uneven pulsar]

its the irony of most newly games in this generation corn😭

[gritty dust]

3 years old kekw

[midnight sigil]

uhhh

you'll probably learn some useful stuff tho

which year were you borne?

[uneven pulsar]

ahem 2007

ahem i went to far with it

[olive sable]

[tender river]

its so crazy that ppl born in 2007 turn 18 in 2025

[uneven pulsar]

anyways

time passes

[midnight sigil]

old

[uneven pulsar]

yeah sure

man things evolved

my key caps are broken tho

i need a new device

[olive sable]

that is me

[midnight sigil]

sounds like deteriorated instead of evolved

[olive sable]

i will be 18 this july

[midnight sigil]

[midnight sigil]

pog

you need to pay tax after this july

[olive sable]

no i dont

[uneven pulsar]

true

i still have a childish attitude

[olive sable]

system works diffrently here

[worldly plank]

Where or what is this from?

[midnight sigil]

I can answer for you

that's matplotlib

I'm almost 99.8% certain

the 0.2% being it's tensorboard

[olive sable]

i only pay taxes if i make money, which i dont cuz im going to school.
instead i will actually receive money from the taxpayers cuz im legally disabled

[midnight sigil]

wait you're legally disabled what

[olive sable]

i have autism

which is seen as a disability here

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

so i get free money

[midnight sigil]

the medical benefits there seems nice

[olive sable]

top 10 ways to not have student loan debts:

1. become disabled
   

[midnight sigil]

our government is trying to cut budget and raise the price of public medical services instead

👍

[olive sable]

damn

you should move to belgium and become a freeloader

(this is a joke, our taxes are way too high)

(cuz of said freeloaders)

[midnight sigil]

tax being high have its own befits

for example, the basic public infrastructures will be better in quality, supposedly

[maiden geyser]

haven't lived good, no reason to start living good

[midnight sigil]

and you can do tax evasion anyways

[olive sable]

if you are in flanders the public infrastructure is decent, if you go to wallonia it is not.
and nobody dares going to charleroi

[maiden geyser]

giving AI that adhd

[olive sable]

just do your taxes in luxembourg. everybody does it.

[midnight sigil]

proves short and fast paste videos tend to grab more interest

cocomelon ahh research

[stark needle]

omg lemme actually check cocomelon

[olive sable]

yt shorts hit a peak of 0.48

[midnight sigil]

o7 AI

cocomelon videos are going to max this thing off measure

[olive sable]

true

new scene every 3 seconds

[stark needle]

Fyi this is what she sees

camera input

[olive sable]

:D

[midnight sigil]

*under 3 seconds

[olive sable]

the peak is higher but the overall is lower

[stark needle]

lilac does NOT care about cocomelon😭

she's gen z

[olive sable]

averaging to about 0.1 at a glance

the one before was more about 0.2

[noble zodiac]

thats messed up

[olive sable]

its fine

[inner pike]

First episode of the tutorial for unity "Oh yeah ill show this other thing in the next episode"
The Next Episode:
Does something completely different

[stark needle]

what should i show lilac

[olive sable]

top 10 anime betrayals

[inner pike]

a Video Essay

[exotic gull]

The wiwiwi cat

[inner pike]

Video Essay would take a while, but it would be interesting to see maybe

[stark needle]

the what

[exotic gull]

The cat that does WIWIWI while he's eating

[olive sable]

o ii a i o iii ai

[exotic gull]

OHH THAT ONE TOO YEAAH

[stark needle]

did not like :(

boring video

[exotic gull]

AAAWWWWW :(((((

[stark needle]

omg i know

scroll through #neurotic-neurons

[inner pike]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUWg905fGTA This 3+h long video essay, surely Lilac is gonna pay attention the entire time

[stark needle]

that is going to be a ton of data to process

[stark needle]

no cat

also not oo ii aa cat

:///

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/oiia-from-w%26w-gif-14019241235432110522

[exotic gull]

That's a but sad :(((((

bit*

[nocturne olive]

Machine love Neuro RVC MV

[stark needle]

she is currently looking at it

[inner pike]

How long does it take to process a video of this length actually ?

does The AI also take 3h to look at it or ?

[stark needle]

real time

[inner pike]

Ah okay

[stark needle]

first 160 seconds so far

[inner pike]

Its gonna be interesting to see what the attention span is like with something this long

[inner pike]

Thats a lot of up and down lol

[stark needle]

https://tenor.com/view/miroyss-star-wars-student-adhd-gif-27230728

lilac ai

[inner pike]

lmaooo

[stark needle]

actual adhd

[stone cedar]

I wonder what the chart of a max0r video would look like? Is the refresh rate even gonna capture it all?

[nocturne olive]

What you even doing anyway?

[stark needle]

sliding window so far (i could also show the full thing)

[inner pike]

So far seems to be paying a decent amount of attention still

I wonder how much its gonna go down over time though

[stark needle]

im also gonna try other stuff

this shit is running

on intel arc gpu

lmfao

[stark needle]

the peak at almost 1

was from this

lmfao

[inner pike]

lmaoooooo

[olive sable]

likes water

[inner pike]

likes human suffering* ( that vehicle is annoying to make )

[stone cedar]

or hates water?

[olive sable]

hmmm

[stark needle]

lemme try

[olive sable]

not sure

[stark needle]

scared of death

no idea

[stark needle]

her eyes run at 1fps

[sage crag]

same

[stone cedar]

So on average 30 visual jokes/references are lost every second

[stark needle]

shes watching

an incorrect summary of metal gear rising part 1

is called the video

0 is begin of video

[olive sable]

she seemed to have been interested

[sage crag]

what happens if attention = 1.0

[stone cedar]

Not as crazy as I hoped but looks like very consistently spiking to mid-rage across the whole thing

[inner pike]

surprisingly not as high as the video essay

[hoary lion]

surprise!

[trim valve]

hm what would make peak ai brainrot

[stark needle]

then she explodes

[sage crag]

random buttons keep disappearing from my discord

[sage crag]

watch osu when

[inner pike]

LMAOOOOOO how the fuck does this happen

[stark needle]

what the fuck

[sage crag]

discord

[stark needle]

at 52-54 there's a fictional person getting stabbed

first surprise

[rough bloom]

small indie company, please forgib
also please watch ads to earn Orbs ™️

[stark needle]

at 60 seconds during the second spike it says "unrestricted brutality" in the video

[sage crag]

orbs

[stone cedar]

But for some reason the highest attention shortly after 75 is just the title drop?

[stark needle]

yeah seems like it

at 137.5 there's uh

someone getting cut vertically into two pieces

lilac

what the fuck

[hoary lion]

wtf

[sour harness]

The AI chose violence

[stark needle]

at 180 seconds there's

[stone cedar]

she likes human bifurcation

[trim valve]

[stark needle]

someone just slashing through objects

[inner pike]

Lilac realy likes violence, huh

[stark needle]

im making her watch the last gameplay i found of u in #gaming

https://ordr.issou.best/watch/qu4tUc

this one

[hoary lion]

lilac is amused

[stark needle]

i guess she found it more surprising than attention

[olive sable]

suprise, followed by immediate boredom

[rigid snow]

represents my take on watching osu tournaments pretty well

[hoary lion]

classic osu play

[olive sable]

so real for that

[inner pike]

why was she just asleep for the first like 18 seconds though

[stark needle]

that one was waiting for the page to load

[inner pike]

OH

LMAO

[stark needle]

she was like at the beginning

"WAIT WHAT AM I WATCHING"

then said

bruh

this shit is boring nvm

first 7-8 seconds

[uneven pulsar]

Intel Core i9-10900K
128GB DDR4
RTX 4090 insane neuro build

128GB bro

[hoary lion]

huh

[inner pike]

still, nothing has topped the first 8 minutes of the 3h video essay in attention and surprise

[maiden geyser]

128 isn't that flabbergasting

[olive sable]

midrange for ai

[inner pike]

128 isnt that much

[uneven pulsar]

😭

[inner pike]

t has like 200gb ram or something

[stark needle]

i also got roughly similar specs

nothing that special

[uneven pulsar]

so is 9090 is high range

[maiden geyser]

rtx? yes

[rigid snow]

if you highpass this then calculate the integral you get adhd score

[trim valve]

9090

[olive sable]

my budget is slightly smaller, only have 5950x, 64Gb ram, and a 3090

[uneven pulsar]

wait are you using SLI?

[olive sable]

no

[stark needle]

no

[olive sable]

sli doesnt exist anymore

[sage crag]

real

[rigid snow]

since 900 series right

[uneven pulsar]

well i got a sealed 4090 chilling in the corner

😭

[stark needle]

open it

[olive sable]

why?

use it

[rigid snow]

found the scalper

[uneven pulsar]

well i finally can get a job to buy the rest of the parts

i got it as a gift

from my ex nvidea uncle worker

[olive sable]

honestly i woudl look for a 2ndhand buidl with a decent cpu instead of buying new

then just slot the 4090 in that along with a new ssd

but you do you

[uneven pulsar]

i am gonna save 1100$ for the rest of the part

[stark needle]

what i need is memory

:(

disk space

[olive sable]

disk space is expendable, ram is cpu bound

[uneven pulsar]

wow yall really need a whole memory bank

[stark needle]

i project i need roughly 2.4tb to store 15 years worth of content

[hoary lion]

I need 400 TB to store all the wavs

🔥

[olive sable]

ram?

[stark needle]

disk space

ram for indexing ~64gb

[olive sable]

oh that shoudkl be fine

[uneven pulsar]

well now i am using my old dell laptop

[stark needle]

what i am doing is

[olive sable]

get a 16TB ssd

[stark needle]

have a llm generate lilacs entire lifetime of ~15 years

[rigid snow]

what the fuck

[uneven pulsar]

why??????

[nocturne olive]

Wavs for what?

[olive sable]

thye're only 1.8K

[uneven pulsar]

are you trying to recreate the pfp person of yours?

[stark needle]

to have a plausible backstory

[stark needle]

no thats my avatar

[nocturne olive]

Silly
Meanwhile me with my SMOL 25TB total storage (it's really SMOL)

[olive sable]

15TB*

[hoary lion]

speech data

[nocturne olive]

Why do you need 400TB of wavs?

[hoary lion]

hours

calculated

[uneven pulsar]

oh i though if your creating that character persona using the LLM i would help

[hoary lion]

but, fortunately huggingface data can be used for cloud

[nocturne olive]

I feel like you might be oversizing your dataset a little bit

[hoary lion]

[stark needle]

no like

i'm simulating

every day

one by one

[hoary lion]

ye, i only need like few TB, just joking

[stark needle]

for ~15 years

[uneven pulsar]

keep the work

[uneven pulsar]

wow

[hoary lion]

i mean just use dataset on hf, no storage needed

[uneven pulsar]

ya there no way its gonna go for nothing

[nocturne olive]

Silly
Meanwhile me training NeuroSynth on just about 1GB and it's really good

[hoary lion]

prob cause non-AR and single speaker

it is like 3 hrs+, crazy tho

[uneven pulsar]

me training gpt o4 model on 8gb

[rigid snow]

and that much storage is for vector storage?

[stark needle]

Yes cause i will need to do intermediate processing

Like

[uneven pulsar]

i really have a trash device rn i am just waiting for the customers to show up

[stark needle]

I'm still finding some documents

To accurately simulate her education

[uneven pulsar]

well do yal think if i tried to make for ppl basic restaurants menu application would it work?

[stark needle]

According to the swiss education system

[uneven pulsar]

do i use react or angular?

[nocturne olive]

It is a vocal synthesizer though rather than a TTS
Not sure which is easier to train

[uneven pulsar]

could i get some help?

[nocturne olive]

Whar you looking for?

[uneven pulsar]

well do yal think if i tried to make for ppl basic restaurants menu application would it work?

do i use angular or react?

[nocturne olive]

I don't know, I suck at frontend

[uneven pulsar]

i found an angular course book sheet for my friend

[rigid snow]

new angular is fine-ish BUT you need to know: practically nobody uses new angular (v4?), you're not gonna work with that at a job, those are maintaining legacy angular codebases most of the time
react on the other hand is used everywhere by everyone

[uneven pulsar]

i see

is it quick to use?

i am trying to find customers

and make them in time

[rigid snow]

if you get quick with it you'll be quick

mhm

or do you mean boilerplate stuff, like for example you'd consider java "slow to use" right

then no react generally i can't say has any boilerplate code you have to write

maybe some common components

[opaque wharf]

I'd say that depends on the end product complexity. State management solution for react has like what? 4 distinct one?

[rigid snow]

what do you mean? there are infinite state managers

[opaque wharf]

I've done backread. Ignore what I said I'm still sleepy

[rigid snow]

mobx, redux, jotai, zustand, recoil, preact signals, xstate, etc.;
still state management but not full-blown managers: react query, react hook form, the vercel edition of react query (forgot what it's called)

and a hundred more

[opaque wharf]

Anyway, if the choice is between Angular and React, definitely choose React

And use tanstack if you want some sanity

[hoary lion]

Due to temporal alignment tts would be more painful

[nocturne olive]

Whar is thar?

[hoary lion]

Monotonic alignment

[rigid snow]

probably have the model figure out when to make sounds

[hoary lion]

Must in Non-AR approach

That's why LLM based audio token generation is popular, due to easier and more dynamic time alignment

Makes the tempo variation and such soo easily feasible, with the tradeoff of occasional audio munching

I'm trying to follow AR too, but I'm also trying to add more easily controlled speaker styles from the decoder side, requiring multi step training and ton of data 😭

I want to try non AR though, I want low latency

Super indecisive rn

[gritty dust]

I hate life... Why is it updating mid codeeee

Microsoft is a bad boy

[rough bloom]

Windows user

[trim valve]

how do people leave their pcs on so long without updating that windows forces them to

[nocturne olive]

I just deleted the Windows update reboot scripts

[stone cedar]

How do people get the impulse to close all the stuff they have open just to restart and open everything up again?

[noble zodiac]

because you ignored it for so long that windows eventually tells you to frick off

[opaque wharf]

More question would be why windows forces update when the PC is on at all

[noble zodiac]

because there are psychos who just keeps it running 24/7

[trim valve]

because the person left it running for several months

without updating

[gritty dust]

Because it's meant to run windows 7 not 11

So I avoid it

[opaque wharf]

I want to say let them be but then again its something else to not get security update in windows

[trim valve]

I'm not asking for advice lol

[nocturne olive]

I just explained how I do it

Windows can't update without the scripts

Well, not automatically

The manual restart button still does it

[trim valve]

it takes barely any time to restart, and my desktop ends up cluttered if I don't close stuff anyways

[stone cedar]

I like my clutter just the way it is

[trim valve]

fair enough I guess

[noble zodiac]

I'm with windows on this one, heck, berate ppl while shutting down

[trim valve]

loading screen stats

you put off security updates for 37 days, impressive!

[nocturne olive]

Speaking of rebooting, should I reboot one day?

[opaque wharf]

IIRC, windows uptime counter doesn't reset when you have fastboot or whatever their technology is called

[trim valve]

it will if you click the restart button

[opaque wharf]

Yeah but not shutdown

[nocturne olive]

My PC runs as a server 24/7 and I have fastboot disabled

[gritty dust]

Professional marker placing lol

[opaque wharf]

Resorting to AruCo at last lol

[gritty dust]

It's not a resort this was the entire plan

[hoary lion]

Game of life reference

[opaque wharf]

I though you were trying to avoid adding any marker

[gritty dust]

nope I was just trying to avoid markers on the robot not the table

[worldly plank]

With FastBoot, it does not reset when powering off, but it does when rebooting.

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[worldly plank]

FastBoot also disables mounting the drive (if you shut down your computer, then power it up and dual boot)

[hoary lion]

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, and sometimes windows cause havoc on other drive after update for seemingly no reason. My friends once updated windows only to find out his linux drive is wiped

I haven't used windows in a long while so I don't know how bad it is now in terms of performance hit for my PC

And I don't want to tempt fate

[opaque wharf]

Just as we were talking about security update
https://youtu.be/xC8qfXxAhAw?feature=shared

If you have ASUS motherboard and using windows, try to disable the auto download driver feature from the motherboard BIOS for a while

There is RCE exploit

[gritty dust]

When did we lose the horizontal cup holder, sadge

[noble zodiac]

this was fixed 2 months ago

[opaque wharf]

Oh it did? Thank god then

Allowing motherboard to install program to the OS is still wild for me tho

[rigid snow]

lol you don't have to reboot to close stuff, also it takes 0 time to not restart

also surprisingly no updates pending

[proud summit]

ah...

[nocturne olive]

Whar

[proud summit]

My condolences to your pc

[nocturne olive]

It's working perfectly well

Ever since I overclocked my RAM my PC has had no trouble running for even hundreds of days

[proud summit]

I would argue with that. Even if everything is working well, it's better to restart your computer at least once a week

[nocturne olive]

Once a week is a lot, and restarting this thing is a whole process

[proud summit]

This process takes about 15-20 seconds for me, so I don't know

[nocturne olive]

For me there's way too many things to close and start up again for long term running, since I run server stuff
I need to ensure everything starts up properly

[proud summit]

Makes sense

[opaque wharf]

Looking at the livestream, Neuro model proportion is HUGE

[worldly plank]

echo stufftobelaunched >> .xinitrc?

[trail prawn]

no wonder

my computer crashed

[stark needle]

i miss dvd readers

[primal dawn]

omg I have to share this I just entered something like a trance for 40 minutes and every line was gold, I ignored surroundings completely and it felt like I woke up after it. Yea I have the flow state here and therw but this was like flow squared, do you have similiar experience?

[stark needle]

yea sometimes

My dad unironically bought this 2000$ device

😭😭

Chat

[uneven pulsar]

[stark needle]

How do i explain to him

[uneven pulsar]

rtx 6060?????

[stark needle]

275 sparse int8 ai tops

For 2000 bucks

Is objectively a scam

[uneven pulsar]

shad early 60 series accses???

[stark needle]

no it's a jetson device for robotics

[uneven pulsar]

😭 thats sad

[stark needle]

Overpriced enterprise brick

[uneven pulsar]

you could brought and rtx 6000

or a nother 4090

😦

bwa

i wish if i can give my 4090 as a refund

[stone cedar]

Is it at least super power efficient?

[opaque sigil]

i mean you can sell it, they go for like 2k

[uneven pulsar]

sell it for 5090

[opaque sigil]

unless you have another grand that's not happening

[uneven pulsar]

you still can buy 9070 xt

[stark needle]

My dad has like 2 GB10 on back order

[uneven pulsar]

cant you refund it back?

[opaque sigil]

can i have one

[stark needle]

he unironically buys unto these scams

[uneven pulsar]

what did he order?

[opaque sigil]

if he has the money i guess

[uneven pulsar]

but sttill what dose it do?

was he trying to get a gpu?

[stark needle]

yeah basically he's trying to do a business which in my opinion is unfeasible/no one will buy it

Cause he kinda lacks the theoretical expertise

[uneven pulsar]

but what he though if he brought it?

maybe he wanted a gpu?

[stark needle]

He has a specific use case that would warrant the efficiency

However

[opaque sigil]

actually

speaking of the gb10

do they still use the same 450GB/s interconnect

[uneven pulsar]

so let me get it its used for robotics?

[stark needle]

yeah and other edge deployments

Thing is this has

2048 cuda cores

[uneven pulsar]

is it a gpu??????

[stark needle]

Ye

It's basically

[uneven pulsar]

maybe you can use it

[stark needle]

No cause he intends to do a specific business with it

So it's a prototype

However i say his business is not feasible in the long term

[uneven pulsar]

i see

[stark needle]

aka

[uneven pulsar]

look there might be use for it

[stark needle]

It's something google/openai could easily do

And replace him completely

[uneven pulsar]

there might be a chance to use out of it

if its a gpu there is hope using it

is it supposed to be a workstation gpu?

[stark needle]

no

It's supposed to be something that runs of 60 watt

[uneven pulsar]

power supply?

wait i am confused

i cant help

[stark needle]

It's just extremely efficient in terms of electricity, however it's also extremely slow to make it efficent in the first place

[uneven pulsar]

ooooooooooooooooh

that sucks.........

dam

[stark needle]

yeah it's not a good purchase

[uneven pulsar]

😭

i feel bad

i wish if i can refund ur dad whit my useless 4090

[stark needle]

A company would not spend 2000 bucks for something that can be easily replaced with a L40s server which does use more electricity but is also like 20x more powerful

And lasts many years or can even be rented

[opaque sigil]

these are 2 entirely different classes of products tbf

[uneven pulsar]

true

[stark needle]

I get his point of private/offline/confidential computing

However

Companies care less and less and everyone is using cloud nowadays

Cause of datacenter certifications

[uneven pulsar]

refund?

any refund services?

[stark needle]

idk

He bought it as b2b

[gritty dust]

I had a neodymium magnet so I put some of my canadian dollars on it lol

got my loonie toonies and 25cent and 10 cent counts on that lol

[uneven pulsar]

wht?

[opaque wharf]

Business to Business. Meaning its not his personal money

[stark needle]

Business to business

[opaque wharf]

Well, hopefully not his personal money

[uneven pulsar]

oh thanks

[opaque wharf]

If your company just needs a CRUD app for internal tooling, I think the cloud is better than managing your own infra

CMS for a lot of business administrative tasks exists so the software side can also be handed off

[tiny mango]

Found an old Nvidia Jetson AGX Xavier lying around and deciding between desk decor or actually making it think

laying? lying?

[rigid snow]

it's not a scam per se it's just a niche small embedded ai compute thing which is like a max combo for the price
wanted to say there aren't any alternatives but remembered it's not 2018 anymore

but if you want cuda which people do want then no no alternatives

[rigid snow]

lying

[tiny mango]

tyty

[rigid snow]

wait

i might be stupid

lying around is apparently only if you're referring to yourself

but what do lies have to do with anything here

any english majors in chat

[tiny mango]

Oh that's fine I merged consciousnesses w it

[rigid snow]

arg reference

[tiny mango]

not intentionally but yk what hell yeah

Not sure I can communicate w/ it on a mac natively

womp womp

[stark needle]

Merging consciousness?????

🔥 🗣️ 🗣️ ❓

[rigid snow]

what do you mean communicate natively

don't you just plug it into a network

[tiny mango]

I don’t have its IP so I can’t SSH

It has Ubuntu

[rigid snow]

log into your router, it probably will announce its hostname on dhcp

[tiny mango]

It would need some sort of power to do anything at all and I don’t know where I put any cables to it 😦

YUCK AUTO EMOJI

[rigid snow]

or even if it doesn't just look for a new device

[tiny mango]

Worth checking, but I’m not sure it’s anything but a brick rn

Would love to get it figured out though, benefit of running ML stuff a little quicker

[rigid snow]

if you have an ethernet port on your mac or an adapter you can connect it directly too

[tiny mango]

:0!!

It has pins on the back but I don’t see any other ports

I can dm you w pics of the little man if you like

[rigid snow]

i'm good i can imagine what it looks like, you can keep yapping to get embed perms though

[tiny mango]

Brilliant

I wish I had a monologue in mind

[rigid snow]

oh wait surely that doesn't work before manually setting a static ip on the jetson

just connect it to your home network

[tiny mango]

Bad day to be a personality hire

I can’t interface w it at all without a wired connection methinks

Nothing to connect — it’s currently dead

[rigid snow]

easiest way would be a monitor and keyboard

[tiny mango]

I’ll show some pics of the particular one I have once I get embed, then maybe there will either come a solution or a lot of embarrassment from my end lol

[rigid snow]

you got a long way to go

[tiny mango]

Oh absolutely

[stark needle]

I hope yall are having a nice day

[tiny mango]

V overcast 😔

Hope you are, too!

[stark needle]

I hope there's thunderstorm tonight

Thunderstorm sound is peak

Especially when the rain hits the window

[tiny mango]

Huge agree

I invested in a hamster for the wheel sound all night long

[olive sable]

i am

i lost at monoipoly, but it was fun

met my brothers gf too

[opaque sigil]

glad you had fun

[opaque wharf]

Is your brother a programmer too?

[olive sable]

no

[opaque wharf]

So still no bitches for programmer

For legal reason, that is a joke

[rigid snow]

"joke"

[olive sable]

dad starts programming.
mom:

[sour harness]

    raise AttributeError(
AttributeError: 'TensorQuantizer' object has no attribute '_amax'. Did you mean: 'amax'?```*screams in Blackwell*
Why is the entire LLM ecosystem such a giant clusterfuck held together by shoestrings

Who tf decided that a non-compiled weakly typed language was the right choice for all of this

[olive sable]

cuz they're constantly trying to make more money from the tech without improving the underlying systems

[unkempt citrus]

thats programming in general

[sour harness]

                # Convert amax to float32
                sub_module.weight_quantizer._amax = sub_module.weight_quantizer._amax.to(torch.float32)

                if sub_module.weight_quantizer._amax.dim() == 1:
                    weight_scaling_factor = torch.tensor(sub_module.weight_quantizer.amax.item() / sub_module.weight_quantizer.maxbound)
                else:
                    # Per-channel amax
                    weight_scaling_factor = torch.tensor(sub_module.weight_quantizer.amax / sub_module.weight_quantizer.maxbound)```
Oh for the love of...

you use ._amax and .amax right next to each other. This obviously could never have worked

and them some lines further downif hasattr(sub_module.input_quantizer, "_amax"):I just can't...

[opaque wharf]

Better than dad buying milk only to never deliver

[tiny mango]

Working in a really specific niche for a while and then wanting to branch out to literally anything else is about as enjoyable as a drill to the head 😔

(the niche is coffee machines.)

[opaque wharf]

At least when you're done you now have 2 knowledge. I don't know anything about coffee machine other than moka pot

If you can call it machine at all lol

[tiny mango]

Moka pot is peak tbh

Better than anything running on a board I worked on LMAO

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I like the simplicity of moka pot and the cleanup is not that bad. Caffeine to effort ratio is the best I think

[tiny mango]

Do you have a preference in brand or is yours ancient

I don't currently own one but def miss making coffee the right way

[opaque sigil]

i mainly use the stainless steel one from bialetti cause i'm lazy

[opaque wharf]

Nah, it was gifted so I don't know the brand lol

[tiny mango]

i'll look into it, thank you!!

[tiny mango]

valid

rahhHHH i want to meet people and be more active >:)

[opaque sigil]

it's a bit more expensive and takes longer to heat up due to the material but you can toss it in the dishwasher in return

[sour harness]

RuntimeError: TopKMaskLogits failed with error code no kernel image is available for execution on the deviceYes, I love waiting 40 minutes to build a docker container according to the official docs only for it not to work afterwards

[opaque sigil]

[tiny mango]

we hand-wash like europeans in this house

[opaque wharf]

This is the time when documentation is very crucial lol

[gritty dust]

damn bro haha

[sour harness]

Seriously, I don't want much.
I only want a LLM inference engine that can run Gemma-3 on Blackwell and that is not Ollama. So far I tried SGLang, vllm, and TensorRT-LLM. Under SGLang the model outputs garbage with long contexts (known bug), vllm just doesn't want to work no matter what (see errors above) and TensorRT-LLM doesn't support Gemma 3

Ollama doesn't support prefix caching and crashes when running two Gemma queries at the same time (known bug)

[opaque wharf]

There's more to choose from, don't worry
https://github.com/vince-lam/awesome-local-llms

[olive sable]

bwaa

[opaque wharf]

Non open source maybe LM Studio but I forgot the backend

[gritty dust]

whats that for?

[olive sable]

im trying to get sdl to work

[opaque wharf]

Still rocking on that onedrive I see

[olive sable]

yep

[gritty dust]

whats sdl?

[olive sable]

imma try aan olde rversion of sdl to see if that works

[olive sable]

input output shit for web

[gritty dust]

ahhh

[olive sable]

"Simple DirectMedia Layer, a cross-platform development library"

[opaque wharf]

Did you download the SDL mingw or the windows one?

[olive sable]

the tar.gz.sig one

like in the tutorial

[opaque wharf]

Can you link the tutorial?

[maiden geyser]

onedrive

[olive sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECjC5E_ouT4

sdl3 may be too new tho

ill try sdl2

[olive sable]

onedrive is almost never the problem

its always windows

[gritty dust]

👆 windows just is annoying sometimes with libraries and installing stuff

[olive sable]

yep

[opaque wharf]

True

Unless you're using Visual Studio

Even then, its just barely bearable

[olive sable]

especialy whent the main source is like.
so use this command "sudo xyz linux blabering"
and im like, hey stop that linux witchcrafty i dont have that

[opaque wharf]

Thats a sign

[olive sable]

i know i know

linux good

[gritty dust]

windows may be annoying sometimes but its also easier in others

[olive sable]

i just want to paly games with decent compatebility

[tiny mango]

if i have to type choco install to do anything i get angy

[opaque wharf]

Like what? Productivity suite? That's just software incompatibilities

[gritty dust]

drivers for my wifi card, UI is just easier, other drivers for stuff I have is windows exclusive, some games I have are not able to run on linux at all even with proton, etc

[tiny mango]

ui is what

[opaque wharf]

Driver is distro specific. In arch case, sudo pacman -S linux-firmware can already get you very far. UI design is to taste. And you can customize your UI in linux however you like. The rest is again, software incompatibilities not ease of use

[olive sable]

aight i got it to work with some weird trickery

shoudl work now

never used makefiles before

[opaque wharf]

You make one yourself?

[tiny mango]

your life is about to change in the positive or negative direction

[olive sable]

i mean its not oo dificult with a tutorial

[gritty dust]

the website for my drivers for the wifi card and other components I have say they are windows 11 specific, and ive been using windows since I was 3 years old so im fairly used to its UI, id prefer to keep it how it is, also a lot of libraries I use for vision AI barely or require a ton of work to get working, or might just not work on linux so that is ease of use

[olive sable]

i find it annoying how i cant use the paly button now

unless there is a way to link that to the makefile

[opaque wharf]

Alright, seems still pretty basic for now. Because later down the road if things gets complicated, I suggest learning to use meson

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that's what I mean with it is not ease of use issue but software incompatibilities. Windows specific thing is a pain point in linux but not linux fault to a degree. But why in gpds name do I have to jump through hoops just to get a development environment working in windows is another matter. Also, if you use OpenCV for vision then doing it on linux is indeed easier. And you can customize KDE Plasma to looks and feels like windows

[sage crag]

hblang hashmap update

[opaque wharf]

To an extent of course

[sage crag]

pushing and popping 5 million elements in 670ms

[opaque sigil]

why does mambaforge get the tag miniforge

[opaque wharf]

Whats your target again?

[gritty dust]

TF opencv is not easier on linux im sorry, when you first pip install on linux it lacks any and all CUDA support and GPU acceleration, and using GStreamer is a nightmare, also fricking TensorRT it a pain to set up. and setting up RealSense SDK is even harder than all of those

[rigid snow]

you can make those do just about anything, you're looking for "vscode launch configurations"
also this https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-makefile-tools?tab=readme-ov-file#debugging-and-running-targets (assuming you have the extension this repo is of)

[sage crag]

ideally as fast as rust but it's very much impossible

considering rust uses simd, which hblang doesnt have

[opaque sigil]

there's an easy solution here

[olive sable]

what is simd even?

[sage crag]

so, you know vectors?

[opaque wharf]

Single Instruction Multiple Data

[olive sable]

i though it was something with arrays

[opaque sigil]

imagine working on multiple numbers at once instead of 1

that

[sage crag]

mhm

[olive sable]

oops caps

[sage crag]

mhm, rust is doing this in 290ms

also we are now libc free in hblang

yay

14kb binary

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

Thats good enough then isn't it? Rust is only 2x faster with SIMD so good enough for not using SIMD

[sage crag]

its never fast enough

[opaque sigil]

oh my sweet summer child

[sage crag]

also btw the advancement to 600ms from 1100ms came from uh

some really strange bug that i found

in the perf data

where libc memcpy was using 44% of the execution time

[opaque sigil]

tf are you doing that you spend 44% of the time memcpy'ing

realloc?

[rigid snow]

if he can figure out python package management with cross compilation surely he can figure out make right

[sage crag]

it wasnt even the hashmap

but in the hasher

[opaque sigil]

?????

[opaque wharf]

Data -> Hasher -> Hash

[opaque sigil]

why are we moving memory around in a hasher

[sage crag]

ask this snippet

it shouldnt be a problem if the compiler optimised away the idk

but it doesnt

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

Lesson in optimization: Never trust the compiler lol

[sage crag]

yeah so, i just rewrote the as_bytes function to accept owned values and left myself this note

[sage crag]

the main issue with hblang optimisations are that they dont exist

side note we got comptime value substitution and inlining now

[opaque wharf]

I'm waiting until there is AbleOS is complete. TempleOS successor

[olive sable]

also, why is my terminal split now?
pt output back in the tbs please

[opaque wharf]

Click the trash icon near the junction or the terminal and output

[olive sable]

doesnt seem to be doing much

[opaque wharf]

Or you can try drag and drop

[sage crag]

fun fact

[olive sable]

ok that worked

[sage crag]

the only parts of hblang binaries that were linked to libc were _start and memcpy which are both inserted by the compiler and left to be dealt with by the linker

these have now been implemented in nasm

[olive sable]

aight i got sdl2 working
only took 5 hours

[opaque sigil]

Now do sdl3

[olive sable]

no

[opaque sigil]

Also, my displays are flickering like crazy after restarting
Thanks for this incredible software nvidia

[opaque wharf]

"You're welcome" - Jensen

[amber fractal]

nvidia always ships stable drivers

mhm

[trim jungle]

What is sdl2?

[opaque sigil]

Funnily enough the hotfix drivers were more stable than the "stable" drivers

[amber fractal]

Man I love entirely disconnecting from the internet to switch from 4g to 5g

[rigid snow]

apparently the twitch outage yesterday was unrelated and they caused it themselves, some crazy timing that is

[trim jungle]

Wifi or mobile?

[amber fractal]

Considering I'm in a trailer out camping I think I'll leave it up to interpretation

[opaque wharf]

So Evil did chew on the cable huh

[trim jungle]

Oh, sry I just joined the chat, didn't knew ;-;

[amber fractal]

All good

it isn't like I said it before you joined anyways

[trim jungle]

Usually if you lose network when changing signals it's the phone

[amber fractal]

Yeah, you'd think it'd be solved by now

wifi 7 having band switching on the fly and all of that.

[trim jungle]

Yee

[rigid snow]

my bet is on bad impl

that should not happen and i have never experienced that

[trim jungle]

Its usually the phone network adapter

[amber fractal]

Usually, I doubt it in this case

[trim jungle]

Because normally the mobile towers are always on

But if he's in the middle of a camp

It could be the case

[amber fractal]

I'm just assuming something stupid is blocking signal or something for a bit

[trim jungle]

Companies don't care that much for towers in the middle of nowhere unless it's a road

[trim jungle]

Those aliens and their weird tech

[opaque sigil]

solution: don't use 5g

[opaque wharf]

Especially in the middle of nowhere

[opaque sigil]

i still have yet to find an actual reason to turn on 5g ngl

[trim jungle]

But how will he stream evil vods in 4k

[sage crag]

it just drains my power

[opaque sigil]

it's just a waste of battery

[amber fractal]

It seems to be behaving, it isn't like I rely on it much as I have everything I need downloaded.

[rigid snow]

twitch doesn't even support anything higher than 1080p

[amber fractal]

nvidia upscaling (real)

[trim jungle]

CAUGHT

[sage crag]

(same program) can you tell which one links to libc

[opaque sigil]

remember when they talked about adding 4k support 2 years ago or so

[trim jungle]

Ye, 5g is kinda a joke rn

[opaque sigil]

i wonder if that's ever happening

[rigid snow]

they're adding 1440p this summer

[olive sable]

aight im going to bed. goodnight

[opaque wharf]

Judging by the time, bottom one

[trim jungle]

Apparently it's only real "use" rn is if you plan to stream in hd to a mobile VR headset or smt

[opaque sigil]

you technically already can stream at 1440p tbf

[sage crag]

its true, the second binary uses libc and the top one has is libc-free

[amber fractal]

instead twitch just gives me some fun options

[opaque sigil]

wifi replacement is a legit use case

[amber fractal]

old screenshot

[rigid snow]

this means higher bitrate btw

[trim jungle]

Wdym?

[sage crag]

the one that doesnt link to libc is also 3kb smaller (17kb -> 14kb)

so mild improvements all around i suppose

[trim jungle]

Like, replace home wifi with open signals?

[opaque sigil]

you'd think av1 and local transcoding would be very high prio considering it can potentially save them a lot of bandwidth

yeah

[amber fractal]

I'm assuming it is mobile phone system for standalone headsets

AR would probs benefit the most

[sage crag]

13k with release mode

[opaque sigil]

-Oz when

[sage crag]

incidentily the equivalent rust program is 365kb

[sage crag]

when the flag to disable inlining happens, it will be -Oz enough

[opaque sigil]

wait no i was thinking of -Os

so many god damn flags

[sage crag]

i wish we had any flag except -O0

[opaque sigil]

actually

-Oz is based on -Os right

[sage crag]

yes

[opaque sigil]

which in turn is based on -O2 right

[sage crag]

Oz is often smaller but can be larger sometimes

[opaque sigil]

or was it O1

[sage crag]

since its a heuristic or something

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

i guess it doesn't really matter either way

[sage crag]

im still a little bit mad that the biggest performance gain recently has been finding a missing compiler peephole

[tiny mango]

600ish more points until I can post my terminal

[opaque sigil]

i love how i managed to work around my pc needing multiple tries to post by using hibernation and now nvidia said frick you, we'll give you really bad monitor flickering occasionally when you wake your pc from hibernation

[sage crag]

how big is zig hello world

[opaque sigil]

massive by default since it's statically linked

[sage crag]

is it less than 2kb

[sage crag]

this is also statically linked

[opaque sigil]

zig's stdlib is also a lot bigger i'd imagine tbf

[sage crag]

this is true

though most decent compilers will remove those symbols

[opaque wharf]

Isn't rust also big because static link?

[amber fractal]

Hey bud, I think you're missing a bit

[opaque sigil]

rust binaries are gigantic

[sage crag]

zig hello world is abt 6k

[amber fractal]

Where is the 130.8 GB of the remaining storage going huh? 😠

[opaque sigil]

33k without llvm

[sage crag]

faster than zig

surely this means that

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

rip

there are probably some flags that can be set though

like using ReleaseSmall instead of ReleaseFast

that gets it down to 4.1k

[opaque sigil]

yeah that helps a bit

[sage crag]

can confirm its statically linked

[tender river]

also this is how a minimal memcpy looks

memcpy:
    cld
    mov rcx, rdx
    rep movsb
    ret

memmove is kinda the same but with one more jump with some setup depending on if rdi is greater or smaller than rsi

x86 is so stupid

[opaque sigil]

funnily enough for no llvm one ReleaseFast + strip is about 20k smaller

[sage crag]

how to use new linker

[opaque sigil]

-fno-llvm -fno-lld

[sage crag]

unfortunate

2.1kb is pretty unbeatable for most languages though

@opaque sigil am i doing this wrong

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

pls

[opaque sigil]

idk i blame glibc

[humble tapir]

All my friends hate glibc

[sage crag]

i managed to get zig to 4.0k

4032 bytes to be exact

so slightly under

[gritty dust]

whats happening

[opaque sigil]

we have nothing better to do than comparing binary sizes of hello worlds

[gritty dust]

I might be able to help

[sage crag]

im getting surprisingly large c binaries compared to what i expect

[gritty dust]

so you want it to be smaller?

[sage crag]

mhm

preferably without musl because i dont have musl-gcc

[gritty dust]

hmmm

[opaque sigil]

oh yeah i could try that

18k with musl + stripped

so yeah

blame glibc

[gritty dust]

what about custom syscalls or sm?

[sage crag]

interestingly it makes the zig one larger

[sage crag]

zig is supposed to do this itself

its kinda its whole deal

[opaque sigil]

zig already uses musl

[tender river]

the point is not doing that

[gritty dust]

ohhh idk man haha

[tender river]

not in code, anyway

[sage crag]

weird

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

amazing

[gritty dust]

sorry I'm pretty unfamilier with this so i dunno if I cant help

[opaque sigil]

morale of the story

frick glibc

[sage crag]

because for me, musl makes it bigger

something fishy

[opaque sigil]

idk zig is weird sometimes

[tender river]

konii please

[opaque sigil]

it kept completely ignoring me asking for a dynamic executable too

[sage crag]

real morale of the story: using hblang

[tender river]

who allocates in their memmove

[sage crag]

ehe

i said they were temporary

old commit btw update

[tender river]

the only thing you have to do is change iteration order, good luck

who up allocating they memmove

omg meeeeee

[sage crag]

ur delirious

[sage crag]

its only called in three places, ergo never my problem

[amber fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1300807614032121950/1383261442198999100/Untitled30_20250613183558.jpg?ex=684e261b&is=684cd49b&hm=c83ea12502445836ca2027da9654804b46e5628558c66b4c556b43fda5f0e03c&

[opaque sigil]

that reminds me, i have a 75GB movie on my phone i should probably delete

[wary hamlet]

I'm sorry, what!?

[opaque sigil]

[amber fractal]

That's not a movie, that's a virtual disk

[opaque sigil]

bdremux will do that

[amber fractal]

If the movie isn't at least 5 hours I question the non-existance of a compression algorithm

[opaque sigil]

3 hours, close enough

[amber fractal]

That is the furthest I've seen from close enough

[unkempt citrus]

I figured out why my custom keyboard wasn't working

its cos 4 of the pins are dead for some reason and aren't connected to the mcu

Is it a CPU issue, a PCB trace issue, a soldering issue

no fucking clue

[opaque sigil]

[unkempt citrus]

Redid the soldering, continuity passed

time to test

Prayge

[midnight sigil]

happy building

I need a better cpu ngl

[unkempt citrus]

Fixed all but 3

Not a software issue confirmed, definetely hardware

one of the remianing has a loose diode, not sure about the others

[unkempt citrus]

[gritty dust]

why do you need a better one?

[midnight sigil]

faster compilation time, and I also need it for particle/volume simulations

[mossy fossil]

i got so tired of youtube's shit, so i wrote this. if you use anything that isn't windows (sorry, they just don't have the needed utilities for this), feel free to use this.

(Don't forget to edit VIDEO_DIR though)

[unkempt citrus]

youtube dl already exists

[mossy fossil]

it literally uses that

[opaque wharf]

Most of the times its switch issue. Try shorting the pad on pcb and see if the keypress are registered

Or you solder a diode in reverse

[unkempt citrus]

It was shitty solder joins on the pins

[opaque wharf]

Yè, that happens. Is that a kit or you design it yourself?

[mossy fossil]

the point of the player script is fourfold:

• Integration with FreeTube (A FOSS Frontend for YouTube)
• Reduce Bandwidth use (Plays local copy in the case of repeat viewing.)
• Effectively a "Easier to Understand" version of yt-dlp, as there are a few settings on the first lines that are... arguably more human readable than parsing command line arguments to it.
• Since it is a shell script, it runs on (In Theory) anything.

[unkempt citrus]

Myself

Designed and built from scratch

which was fun

[mossy fossil]

by default (but this is easily changable), it downloads at 480p30, which, for most things, is good enough imho.

[opaque wharf]

Nice

Slap some kailh jade box on that bad boys and terrorize everyone around you with the click

[loud thicket]

Yt-dlp ftw

[ruby timber]

Use cobalt

[hoary lion]

CUDA makes life faster, but not easier

I should change my IDE settings to not consider tqdm results as error

that is TOO red

[opaque wharf]

Is that hangul?

[hoary lion]

ye

[opaque wharf]

Now all of China knows you're Korean

[hoary lion]

good luck, me

[tender river]

damn right i am anyway it's okay now, you can stop avoiding memmove on purpose

$memmove := fn(dest: ^u8, src: ^u8, len: uint): void {
    if src > dest {
        end := src + len
        if src >= dest + @size_of(uint) {
            loop if src + @size_of(uint) > end break else {
                @as(^uint, @bit_cast(dest)).* = @as(^uint, @bit_cast(src)).*
                dest += @size_of(uint)
                src += @size_of(uint)
            }
        }
        loop if src >= end break else {
            dest.* = src.*
            src += 1
            dest += 1
        }
    } else if dest > src {
        end := src
        dest += len
        src += len
        if dest >= src + @size_of(uint) {
            loop if src < end + @size_of(uint) break else {
                src -= @size_of(uint)
                dest -= @size_of(uint)
                @as(^uint, @bit_cast(dest)).* = @as(^uint, @bit_cast(src)).*
            }
        }
        loop if src <= end break else {
            src -= 1
            dest -= 1
            dest.* = src.*
        }
    }
}

alternatively you can leave the old impl, i'll still love and support you even if your memmove is a little unconventional

[sage crag]

this is unfair

[sage crag]

unfortunately the git issues got nuked when ablehub got reset from backup

[olive sable]

goodmorning

[maiden geyser]

morbing

[tender river]

yeah i remember something about that, oh well

[stark needle]

Good morning

[tight tinsel]

spammed in gen and gaming but not programming smh

em dash would have ticked off a bingo box

[olive sable]

their own pfp is pretty ass ngl

ai generated slop

[knotty current]

out of curiousity, how many of you guys can just take one look at an image, and then confidently say wether it is ai slop or drawn?

[sage crag]

im not going to confidently say i can identify 100% of ai generated content since that would be statistically impossible

however of the typical "slop" content i think it's fairly easy

[olive sable]

its quite easy for most images

[inner pike]

Yeah same

[olive sable]

dont even have to try

at this point its justy part of the image viewing pipeline

[sage crag]

unfortunately

[stark needle]

WHAT

[tight tinsel]

I asked for cake and it replied

[stark needle]

I WANTED A PFP THO

:((((

[tight tinsel]

#gaming message

[sage crag]

you are an artist make it yourself

also that's a big embed

[olive sable]

see image
identify objects in image
understand full image
see if its ai slop

the pipeline grows

[knotty current]

how much more will it grow i wonder

[olive sable]

oh wait lemme translate

[tight tinsel]

something tourist ai something?

[knotty current]

look, AI image

[olive sable]

basicly, an amusementpark in the netherlands called the efteling has a themed area with a fairytail forest.
the centre of that forest has the fairy tree.
they made it AI

[stark needle]

every morning i wake up to this thing staring into my soul

[olive sable]

not fairy like the creature with wings, fairy like fairy tail.
just doesnt translate well

[tight tinsel]

cute llc

[olive sable]

nah its real

[stark needle]

lc

[knotty current]

oh

[opaque wharf]

Good

[stark needle]

Konii I'm lazy

Ok?

Do u think art is done in 3 seconds

[opaque wharf]

Management think so

[olive sable]

who needs force feedback anyways?

sdl init seems to be working well

[opaque sigil]

Not using raylib smh (I'm just joking don't mind me)

[stark needle]

Check out my high effort art i 100% did myself manually

[opaque sigil]

Burn it

[olive sable]

idk what that is

[opaque wharf]

Thousand yard stare. Perfect

[opaque sigil]

Also, that lilac plushie looks really good, must've cost a lot

[opaque wharf]

Soulless

[opaque sigil]

I guess you could call it a game engine in c

[olive sable]

im suppoosed to do that part

[stark needle]

180$

[opaque sigil]

Honestly not as much as I expected

[stark needle]

third world country

[olive sable]

im not too into the plushie scene so i thought like 100 or smthn

[stark needle]

What i paid them is apparently half a monthly wage there

[opaque wharf]

It's full month here

[olive sable]

o7

[stark needle]

Actual o7

[sage crag]

i just found something interesting in the perf data of slice ops

in general

[opaque wharf]

200 usd is minimum monthly wage so yeah, there's that

[opaque sigil]

Well it's more about it being a one of a kind, someone needs to pay for the human labour

But I guess if the labour is dirt cheap

[sage crag]

the top one is uh

[opaque sigil]

-1?

[opaque wharf]

To be fair, living expense is also scaled

[sage crag]

the off by one is intentional here

do not worry

[opaque wharf]

Food is like less than 1 usd for a full meal

[sage crag]

so with the top one, the perf report looks like this

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, depending on where it's made the price would vary a ton

[sage crag]

of this, most of the runtime here is spent doing this instruction over and over

[opaque wharf]

Time to use other profiler

[stark needle]

here full meal is 15-20 usd

scammed

[opaque wharf]

Thats wack. I could buy grocery for a week I think