programming

[ivory light]

I tried coding Lua for a week and it sucks btw, I don't get how the Balatro developer could handle the worst intellisense any IDE has ever seen

[trim valve]

what's saying that isn't already what happens here

clearly hblang was hallucinated by an llm and doesn't really exist

[cosmic sphinx]

and in the end, they'll all agree that binary machine code is the most efficient

[ivory light]

what is that??

[cosmic sphinx]

who the hell needs compilers and interpreters when you can write everything in binary

[midnight sigil]

BROOO HOW DO I EVEN IMPLEMENT THIS IN BLENDER

[ivory light]

just gotta wait for volunteers data labelers to map a lot of 0s and 1s to their intended function within the context of a software

[midnight sigil]

[uneven pulsar]

just attach the script

me enjoying my text based ultrakill game on a java terminal

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[opaque wharf]

Nice lol

[olive sable]

I am

[quick flame]

I have to remake this question
I had a LLM security assessment and I had tons of issues related to prompting bypass and I was asked to solve them..... those anyone deal with that in the past ?

[sour harness]

There's prompt guard from Meta. I think it's part of the Llama4 release?

Never tried it though.

[nocturne olive]

Time to finetune the model, yay

Hopefully you're prepared with a lot of GPUs

[sour harness]

Before using the prompt use another LLM and ask it if the prompt is malicious. Only if you get a go from that LLM, use the prompt for your actual LLM.

But yeah, basically this https://huggingface.co/meta-llama/Llama-Prompt-Guard-2-86M

[silent mason]

nah finetuning an LLM to decline advances isnt very effective
often times it'll either ruin performance on benchmarks or just be persuaded in a long conversation
that's why guardrails exists

https://ai.google.dev/responsible#protect
https://huggingface.co/meta-llama/Llama-Guard-4-12B

• prompt guard from sui

Just some examples of guardrails etc ^ (nothing in specific)

[pastel nymph]

Who wants to gamba with me?

[opaque wharf]

So guardrails is basically old school NLP of sentience analysis but more specialized toward "is this prompt probably malicious for my LLM?"

Sentiment

ESL moment

[sage crag]

n >> 1 == n / 2

gl

[midnight sigil]

tbh everything like that will be a constant since n is determined

and aktually it's n // 2

[pastel nymph]

Doesn't it depend on a language?

Most of the languages I know / on ints is already a floor division

[olive sable]

Why is it 30C today?

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

Python needs //, but thats just classic python

[quick flame]

I was thinking about this and that llm is exactly what I need, thanks a lot!!!

[olive sable]

Is it not 30C over the north sea?

[opaque wharf]

Why not?

[trim valve]

its 20c here

it was hotter yesterday though

[olive sable]

Fuuuck, i want that

Im guessing southwind

[midnight sigil]

yes, but not python

[trim valve]

https://www.windy.com/

[midnight sigil]

so we use // to avoid confusion sometimes

[pastel nymph]

Will python convert the result to float if you do /? I don't remember

[midnight sigil]

I mean, it's understandable since python is super high level and uses arbitrary precision by default

[midnight sigil]

yes

[trim valve]

>>> 1 / 2
0.5

[midnight sigil]

you do n / 1 and you'll get n.0 as well iirc

[trim valve]

oh yeah 1/1 gets 1.0 back

[midnight sigil]

no it'll actually be 0.50000000067 👍

[gritty dust]

HOLY my god I finished my physics RST and I feel like I'm cooked holy fuckkk

[pastel nymph]

Thats why I like statically typed languages more mhm

[trim valve]

literally copied it 1:1 from my repl smh

[midnight sigil]

smh r/swoosh

[trim valve]

also unless I'm stupid 0.5 is actually trivially representable with a float

[tender river]

it indeed is

since its a negative power of two

[opaque sigil]

0.1

[tender river]

0.1 isnt a power of two

[midnight sigil]

[tender river]

it literally is

[midnight sigil]

yea it's 0.1

[opaque sigil]

0.1 as in binary

[midnight sigil]

ik ik smh

[tender river]

true

fun fact go uses ratios instead of ieee floats for evaluating constants

[opaque sigil]

seems reasonable

[trim valve]

I heard about that and I hate it

[opaque wharf]

While python have Fraction

[tender river]

has nothing to do with constants

[opaque wharf]

Why?

[tender river]

because compile time computation results dont match runtime computation results

[trim valve]

yeah that

[midnight sigil]

huh?

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I'm just stating that python have fraction man. Other language that I use day to day doesn't come with it

[midnight sigil]

that's, not cool

[opaque wharf]

But this is news to me. Why?

[tender river]

because go doesnt use ieee floats at compile time, as i stated above

[opaque wharf]

Oh yeah I get it now

I forgot that go can be "run" and "compiled"

[trim valve]

I don't think that's what chayleaf is referring to

[opaque wharf]

What, then how will that result in different computation?

[midnight sigil]

I'm guessing different interpretation of floats for two stages?

[tender river]

if you have a float 0.1 and you add 0.1 to it at runtime you get something like 0.200000000000001 because 0.1 doesnt actually exist

bad example

lets say one of them is 0.15

still you get something like 0.2500000000000001

but if you write (0.1 + 0.15) in your go code, it will get compiled as precisely 0.25

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, alright. I think I get the gist of it. I think I should just be thankful that I've never encountered that behaviour in the wild

Partly because I don't use go maybe

[tender river]

ieee floats are used in every language

so if you're referring to being thankful about that part, you're mistaken

but if you're referring to mismatched compile and runtime computation results, then yeah

[trim valve]

imo I like the idea of compile time fractions existing but don't like that its implicitly used instead of floats

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, fraction have its use but non standard real number representation by default is not cool

[midnight sigil]

so they should probably make it a type?

[opaque wharf]

I assume from the wording it already is an existing type

[opaque sigil]

go and types? we don't do that around here

[trim valve]

idk enough about how go works but a type that can be compile time cast to float would be neat

[opaque wharf]

Since IEEE math don't have properties of real math

Well, "real" as in standard ZFC math

[midnight sigil]

I'm not familiar with golang's community, so why is that

[opaque sigil]

it's less about the community and more about the fact that they like to market themselves as a "c for the 21st century", it's hard to explain but as an example it took them a decade to add generics to the language

[tender river]

wdym you dont like if err != nil

[opaque sigil]

i don't mind that

will take it over exceptions any day of the week

[tender river]

fair but the part of exceptions i like is stack traces

[noble zodiac]

god I hate exception style error handling

[midnight sigil]

whaat?? what was it like before generics were added

basically like py but worse?

[opaque sigil]

have you ever used c

like that

[tender river]

only arrays and hashmaps were generic and that was built into the language

[opaque wharf]

Unless for validation in high volume web server. Capturing stack every time invalid data occur is degrading performance

[rough bloom]

yeah, Go is all about keeping the language as simple as possible
if a feature is useful or not doesn't matter if the goal is to not have features

[tender river]

but also unlike C there was no macros

[pastel nymph]

Wasn't Interface {} a thing from the start?

[tender river]

i think some people resorted to code generators

[pastel nymph]

I think they just added any as an alias way later

[opaque sigil]

that's like calling void* generics

[sage crag]

hblang will never have this problem

[trim valve]

[opaque wharf]

Here we go again

[opaque sigil]

but yeah

any / Interface {} was always a thing

[midnight sigil]

ehh then I think it's alright tbh. So there were still int, char and stuff right

[olive sable]

having to go through this thing every time is very annoying

[opaque sigil]

use clang

[trim valve]

use wsl

[olive sable]

what is a clang?

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

use msys2

[olive sable]

no we're not using linux today

[opaque wharf]

You mean cmake?

[olive sable]

what is msys2?

[opaque wharf]

Or literally install clang?

[midnight sigil]

clang has its own win variation no?

[opaque sigil]

c/c++ compiler that actually works on windows too

[midnight sigil]

yea

[rough bloom]

rustup fixes this (for Rust of course)

[opaque sigil]

there's gcc via msys2 too but eh that's annoying

[sage crag]

https://www.msys2.org/

[olive sable]

stop trying ot get me to use rust.
either i use rust with the brackets i like, or i dont use rust

there is no 3rd option

[trim valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1137037384656093254.webp?size=128

[rough bloom]

i use rust with the brackets i like
that's fine, you can probably configure rustfmt like that
-# still looks bad though

[opaque wharf]

You can use rust, and set you rustfmt too then ignore #programming

[midnight sigil]

I remember messing with msys and gcc just to get my C-x86asm workflow to work

[olive sable]

i will not format it

[midnight sigil]

[trim valve]

wdym by the brackets you like

[olive sable]

int main()
{

newline

[opaque wharf]

Bracket on newline instead of inline

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

last time they complained about it so i just switched to C++

[trim valve]

but also https://rust-lang.github.io/rustfmt/?version=v1.8.0&search=#\"AlwaysNextLine\"\%3A

[opaque wharf]

That was a fun time

[opaque sigil]

this is a lost battle

also

[rough bloom]

he just hates well-formatted code, apparently

[opaque sigil]

https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/releases/download/llvmorg-20.1.6/LLVM-20.1.6-win64.exe

[olive sable]

having the brackets on my 3rd monitor doesnt scream well formated to me

[trim valve]

???

[rough bloom]

???

[olive sable]

im jjoking relax

[opaque sigil]

for clang

[rough bloom]

it's hard to tell at this point

[opaque wharf]

I was waiting for another onedrive repo shenanigans

[olive sable]

i mean that its easier to see where a function starts and begins if they're on the same vertical line to me

[pastel nymph]

Actually, I wanted to ask. Is there an easy way to initialise c# project? Kinda like go mod init does?

[opaque sigil]

dotnet new or something?

[olive sable]

no

[pastel nymph]

thank

[trim valve]

tbh I just rely on vscode's bracket colouring + sticky lines and the rest is just mentally keeping track of what my code looks like

[olive sable]

i hate pretty much all of these besides allman

[noble zodiac]

I still dont get whats wrong with rusts brackets

[opaque sigil]

sticky lines is the best feature they added in years

[midnight sigil]

#programming attack this guy

[olive sable]

they already have bro

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

i left the server for 15 hours

[opaque wharf]

Do try to enable "editor.guides.bracketPairs". It'll change you

[opaque sigil]

we don't need this again

is that the one with the lines

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

sticky lines make me want to explode my code editor

[rough bloom]

I think I rely pretty much entirely on indentation
it's fine as long as stuff isn't nested too deeply, which is bad anyway

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[trim valve]

I think I use that already

lemme check

[sage crag]

i use bracket pair colours

[noble zodiac]

rainbow brackets is one of the best plugins

[opaque wharf]

Thats just default IIRC. But the guides is another thing

[opaque sigil]

oh hey it's me

[noble zodiac]

but it does tho..... Im so confused

[sage crag]

yes i hate the guides

too much stuff on my screen

[opaque sigil]

yeah i don't like the guides either, too much

i say as i use errorlens

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

Dang, so thats why they disable it by default lol. I love it tho

[rough bloom]

-# but also inaccurate, I'm fine with bracket on newline for Rust if it's a solo project
-# just don't subject others to that mess

[trim valve]

oh I forgot to reenable it when I reinstalled

[olive sable]

"that mess"

nah im stickign with C++

they appreciate me

they accept me for who i am

[opaque wharf]

Because pairing the sam style code with the guides is godsend to me

[trim valve]

wait hm its actually way less helpful with this theme

[midnight sigil]

winner belongs to python, it's indentation sensitive and doesn't have brackets unless for objects

[trim valve]

thank you spotify I really like how you decided to play my music over remote desktop instead of on my local device

very cool

[opaque sigil]

i suggested scala 3 but apparently that's not enough brackets

[opaque wharf]

I hate language that use space for semantic meaning with a passion

[olive sable]

i started with python, if python was fast enough to do my things we wouldnt be here to begin with

[opaque wharf]

Just look at this beauty highlighted line on the left

[rough bloom]

it causes semantic whitespace which is horrible, but I do like the side-effect of enforcing proper indentation
maybe the single good choice Python has made

[trim valve]

just get good at spotting the brackets yourself

[midnight sigil]

ughhh syntactic sugar

[rough bloom]

just let the LSP add imports and then never look at them again

[trim valve]

(this only occasionally bites me in the foot when I need to fix massively nested brackets)

[olive sable]

or just make it so you dont have to do that.
this is litteraly stockholm syndrome

[opaque wharf]

Space is for human, not computer!

[trim valve]

but rustfmt usually manages to add indentation before it becomes a real problem

[noble zodiac]

I dont use rustfmt, be freeee

[rough bloom]

it's very aggressive about adding newlines

[trim valve]

meh but I don't want more underlines

they have meaning when you're doing rust and I don't want to confuse them

[olive sable]

"them"?

[midnight sigil]

scala 3 looks like python had a kid with kotlin, and kotlin no longer have fun

[trim valve]

tbh I could just change the bracket colours and it'd probably be less of an issue

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

can you give a graphical example

[noble zodiac]

(spoiler answer 4 is for psychos)

[noble zodiac]

hard to say, depends on your font size

[olive sable]

have you seen my devious list comprehensions?
ofcourse if its cuz of indentation you should use a function

[warped narwhal]

120 is the width of my ide so that is what I use

[trim valve]

in very specific cases they fight and make it more confusing

this is worse if its the blue brackets instead of the pink ones

[midnight sigil]

unless you're dealing with a coding standard, line length doesn't really matter if you know what you are doing

[opaque sigil]

i default to 80 because anything else on a 14" laptop is a pain

[midnight sigil]

I'm a one-liner type of guy

[trim valve]

having a line length stops annoying people from onelineing everything

[midnight sigil]

I lambda everything I see

[rough bloom]

clearly you have never dealt with Rust iterators

[noble zodiac]

you can lambda in multiple lines

[midnight sigil]

but I choose to do it in one line

[opaque wharf]

Is this the guide from vscode? You can disable the horizontal one you know

[noble zodiac]

oddly enough function declarations is the only thing where I put everything in a single line

[opaque wharf]

And me with vertical monitor

[tender river]

line length depends on language style guides

[maiden geyser]

is there a style guide for c/c++

[opaque sigil]

there's like 50

[opaque wharf]

You just saw 6 of them at least

[midnight sigil]

follow NASA's coding standard if you want

[tender river]

and obviously 72 for emails

[maiden geyser]

write like yoda?

[trim valve]

i personally don't go over 1 character per line

[olive sable]

self.depthshaders = [shaderDepth(np.ascontiguousarray(np.concatenate([np.concatenate([arr + entity[0].transformMat[3,0:3] for arr in entity[1].vertexDataList]) for entity_type, entity in self.entities.items() if entity_type not in [ENTITY_TYPE['player']]]), 'f').data.cast('B'))]

[rough bloom]

same, mostly because when a function has enough arguments that the line is that long, it ends up being very long when unwrapped
in practice I still trust in the formatter though

[midnight sigil]

based

[noble zodiac]

the linux kernel has 80 which I can respect, but also 8-width tabs, which I dont respect at all

[midnight sigil]

now you mentioned it, is that actually possible

[trim valve]

please gain a relationship with a formatter

[rough bloom]

at least they have a standard

[opaque sigil]

self.depthshaders = [
    shaderDepth(
        np.ascontiguousarray(
            np.concatenate(
                [
                    np.concatenate(
                        [
                            arr + entity[0].transformMat[3, 0:3]
                            for arr in entity[1].vertexDataList
                        ]
                    )
                    for entity_type, entity in self.entities.items()
                    if entity_type not in [ENTITY_TYPE["player"]]
                ]
            ),
            "f",
        ).data.cast("B")
    )
]

[trim valve]

in bf maybe, probably not for a lot of langs though

[midnight sigil]

I hope there's a language out there allows us to do 1 chr per line

[olive sable]

that would require getting a relationship, which we all know isnt likely

[rough bloom]

you already have one with Python

[olive sable]

we broke up

[safe path]

is it a sign if this is the first thing i see when i open this channel

[midnight sigil]

I also thought of bf, but there's actually loops and stuff in bf, only doing > and < would have no practical use

[olive sable]

i just need someone who's willing to move a litle faster. python is slow asf

[trim valve]

yeah but loops every bit of syntax is just one char right?

[opaque sigil]

yes

[midnight sigil]

I mean, yea

[trim valve]

unless newlines have semantic meaning in bf

[opaque sigil]

you can do it vertically

[sage crag]

p
l
e
a
s
e
;

[olive sable]

now the brackets will have to be on a newline

[trim valve]

vertical #programming messages pogs

[olive sable]

i love this style

[rough bloom]

Lua

[midnight sigil]

I searched, google says no, I guess we found the solution

[olive sable]

isnt that the roblox one?

[sage crag]

the a in lua stands for AAAAAAA

[trim valve]

moonlight you silly program that computer is you

[midnight sigil]

I transpose

[trim valve]

why would i remote desktop to myself

[rough bloom]

the language is not by Roblox but yes, Roblox happens to use Lua

(or rather some weird variant of it but whatever, same thing)

[maiden geyser]

#bingo

[olive sable]

lua looks pretty cramped tbh

i like space

[stray dragon]

lua was slower than python i thought

[midnight sigil]

it's luau

[opaque sigil]

there's luajit

[midnight sigil]

[rough bloom]

maybe with the default interpreter thing, but LuaJIT exists

[stray dragon]

i see

[tender river]

this made me realize that its possible to write C with 2 characters per line

[olive sable]

is lua interpreted?

i cant find a straight answer on google

[trim valve]

i think so

[midnight sigil]

both

[trim valve]

but commonly jit'ed as well

[rough bloom]

it's interpreted in the same sense that Python is

[olive sable]

ah yes, both

[sage crag]

luaji t

[stray dragon]

hi konii

[tender river]

hi T

[sage crag]

hi t

[olive sable]

hi

[stray dragon]

hi chayleaf

[trim valve]

hi chayleaf

hi t

[sage crag]

hi bred

[stray dragon]

hi bred

[trim valve]

hi konii

[rough bloom]

[stray dragon]

what have i started

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

#swarm hours

[olive sable]

Bwaa

[trim valve]

n^2 my beloved

[stray dragon]

lmao

[tight tinsel]

I see react button I press

[maiden geyser]

nueron activation

[midnight sigil]

I sqrt you

[sage crag]

greeting is a factorial time function

[wide flicker]

sorry I'm aware this conversation was last night and we have well moved on but may I present the "antivirus" Norton

please pardon me while I wash my hands after typing that

[sage crag]

phrasing

[midnight sigil]

cough cough

[olive sable]

the first time trying to read that did not go well

i plead the 5th

[rough bloom]

btw if you want to know if Lua is usable for game engines
lots of engines use Lua under the hood to script behaviors for stuff
there's also game engines written in Lua, Balatro uses one for example
-# idk why I'm shilling Lua now I don't even really like the language

[olive sable]

we dont have the 5th here but i still plead it

[tight tinsel]

what is the fifth

[olive sable]

right to remain silent

[trim valve]

the thing after the fourth

[tight tinsel]

idk anything about American law thingy

[midnight sigil]

guys it's pronounced as square root

smh

[maiden geyser]

es queue arr tee

[tight tinsel]

sqrt is a more byte efficient way to say it

[sage crag]

generally its a number

[midnight sigil]

bravo

[olive sable]

ah yes, as opposed to √

[stray dragon]

the only game i have that uses lua (and i know it uses lua) is civilization 5 and it's a mess in terms of stability and optimization, i guess i just have a bad impression

[trim valve]

i forgot how easy it is to drag click on the g502

[sage crag]

i read it as "skw"root

[wide flicker]

"Pleading the Fifth" refers to a clause in the fifth amendment in the US that protects people in court from self-incriminating testimony

[sage crag]

x^½

[rough bloom]

there's so many games using Lua because it can easily be embedded
Roblox was already mentioned, I'm pretty sure that can run on a potato

[midnight sigil]

I read as the synonym of spray, like actually

[trim valve]

you'd be suprised with some games

[olive sable]

i just need it to:

1. embed in itchio
2. work with webgl
3. if it uses { i want it on a newline
   those are the only requirements

which is why im going C++ for now

[midnight sigil]

we tricked a potato into thinking

[olive sable]

thats me

[midnight sigil]

sounds like JavaScript

[olive sable]

ok 4 requirements.
4. it cant be javascript, i hate jqavascript

[trim valve]

sam have you considered a rustfmt.toml that looks lke

brace_style = "AlwaysNextLine"
control_brace_style = "AlwaysNextLine"

[midnight sigil]

Unity with C#

[olive sable]

unity would be a game engine

[rough bloom]

embed in itchio
definitely works
work with webgl
uuuh surely this exists
otherwise you'll just have to write bindings yourself
if it uses { i want it on a newline
it only uses them for tables I think
you can put them on a newline for that

[olive sable]

im gona do that part. no game engines please

[stray dragon]

typescript

[olive sable]

get out

[stray dragon]

lmfao

[trim valve]

i keep forgetting that if I leave my mouse wheel free spinning it keeps spinning when i move my mouse

[olive sable]

you still talking about lua?

[rough bloom]

[tender river]

https://github.com/einargs/haskell-webgl

[midnight sigil]

there's xlua but it's based on unity

[tender river]

https://github.com/3b/ps-webgl

[olive sable]

why are wer still doing this? i already said i was doing C++

[stone cedar]

Is emscripten still the way to go to use webgl with c++ or is there something better now?

[pastel nymph]

Well, c# default format is { on a new line (but could be both)

[tender river]

sorry i'll just disengage (you were listing requirements though)

[olive sable]

im gonna do C# in 3 months in school anyways so i felt like i shoudl learn something else for now

[trim valve]

it is mandatory to suggest the least usable languages possible

[tender river]

i wouldnt call it unusable at all

[olive sable]

that is true, but the message after that said i was gonna do C++.

[rough bloom]

C++ bad
also it's funny to see your reaction to new languages

[trim valve]

ok true

[sage crag]

ee oo ee oo

[opaque wharf]

TypeScript

[olive sable]

i am heavily biased on how the language looks to me

[opaque wharf]

Oh someone already said it lol

Brb, still backread

[sage crag]

have u tried a blindfold

[olive sable]

yes

wasnt very productive

[opaque wharf]

What tf is your mouse wheel made out of?

[pastel nymph]

ye, thats fair

[trim valve]

metal lol

but the g502 lets it freewheel for the funny

[olive sable]

you dont have the scroll lock on?

[opaque wharf]

Yep, it still is

[olive sable]

or well, not lock but the clicky thing

[trim valve]

i don't like how much effort it takes to scroll it

[rough bloom]

btw didn't you want to use C instead of C++ yesterday?
why did it change

[opaque wharf]

No wait, WebGL? You can use the API directly from JS

[olive sable]

it doesnt take much effort to me, but then again i have big hands

[midnight sigil]

https://github.com/ghoulsblade/love-webplayer/tree/weblua

oh hey look at what I've found

[trim valve]

I'm used to a trackpad

so like any effort is more effort

(also the superlight I usually use scrolls really lightly)

[olive sable]

lua is haunting me

[olive sable]

i mean ye its a superlight lmao

[tender river]

have you tried thinking less like me its very fun
the process is as follows
thoughts -> delete thoughts ->

[trim valve]

ok but superlight is referring to weight not the scroll wheel lol

[olive sable]

no metal, less innertia

i cant use superlights, the g502 is still too small for me.

but i dont have many other options

palm grip is physically impossible for me

[opaque wharf]

Try spacemouse then

[olive sable]

wtf is that?

that aint no mouse

[opaque wharf]

Well, the name is mouse lol

[olive sable]

thats a goddamn dashboard

[stray dragon]

graphing calculator for aliens

[olive sable]

whatr was i doing again?

[stray dragon]

C++

[olive sable]

oh ye C++ clang thingy

[dense cosmos]

[midnight sigil]

this looks like it can run Doom

[olive sable]

it probably can

[opaque wharf]

I forgot who the manufacturer is but you can also search vertical mouse style

[dense cosmos]

What

[olive sable]

i dont think i could get used to vertical mouse

or it would need to be enormous

i have big fingers

[midnight sigil]

never tried it, but someone says it helps with wrist tension in osu, kinda cool

[opaque wharf]

You're gonna love glarses keyboard then. It's 6' something long

[dense cosmos]

I want a keyboard I can strap to my wrists somehow

[opaque wharf]

It does helps alleviate some strain yes

[dense cosmos]

That way I can type in vr with some kind of speed

[olive sable]

is that feet or inches?

[opaque wharf]

I swear to god I saw that one before

[stray dragon]

feet

[trim valve]

make a vr controller with a bunch of buttons like that one razer mouse

[olive sable]

i dont speek vertical lines

[opaque wharf]

You type using the different finger movement

[midnight sigil]

feet? where

[stray dragon]

ffs caibi

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

[dense cosmos]

Which razor mouse is this, I wanna see

[trim valve]

this one

[pastel nymph]

xdx |

[olive sable]

no no, thats the or operator

not vertical line

[stray dragon]

| ||
|I |_

[opaque wharf]

You can choose either this one

[trim valve]

actually on that you could do phone keypad-like typing

[opaque wharf]

Or this one

[olive sable]

i posted this already yesterday lmao

[stray dragon]

fuck!!

i must have been asleep

[midnight sigil]

finally having F24

[opaque wharf]

Look, BTMC

[dense cosmos]

https://youtu.be/Eklg7CKs57A?si=_zft9m1nTCi4Cehx nowaying

[opaque wharf]

YES, YOU FOUND IT

[dense cosmos]

It exists!

[stark needle]

just why

[opaque wharf]

See, I know It wasn't a fever dream

[opaque wharf]

Why not?

[olive sable]

why are we still here, just to ;?

[rough bloom]

questionable practicality but I think it looks awesome

[opaque wharf]

I know all kind of wack peripheral because I developed one for something

[dense cosmos]

Hmm, wonder if I can still fit the triggers plus analog stick in there somehow

[opaque wharf]

There's also the usual suspect of straight up control panel used by professional audio engineer

[dense cosmos]

Maybe make it hot swappable?

[olive sable]

how do i use this?

[opaque wharf]

For the sake of your sanity, you don't

[trim valve]

I have never figured out how to wrangle msys2 into working

[olive sable]

but why did konii make me install it then?

[trim valve]

if you can make it works its very useful

[olive sable]

omg they have pacman

[trim valve]

I do not know how to make it work

[tight tinsel]

I wonder how a trackball mouse works with osu

[olive sable]

you cant copy paste in their terminal

[dense cosmos]

what is mysys2?

[opaque sigil]

i told you to use clang for a reason

[opaque wharf]

Go with Toast suggestion

Clang

[olive sable]

whats th diffrence?

[opaque wharf]

Big

[opaque sigil]

unix environment for windows

[opaque wharf]

One is full blown foreign environment

[olive sable]

is unix linux?

[dense cosmos]

Ah, I see

[opaque wharf]

Other is a piece of software compiler

[opaque sigil]

yes

[olive sable]

nooooooooo

[rigid snow]

probably comparable or even worse to a laptop trackpad

[rough bloom]

why do you like pacman but refuse WSL

[olive sable]

cuz pacman is yellow and good nom nom

[opaque sigil]

the idea is to use msys2 as an environment to install a compiler that can output binaries for windows

[opaque wharf]

True, I love seeing them noming when I do sudo pacman -Syu

[opaque sigil]

it works but it's also so needlessly complicated

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/pacman-video-game-eating-marshmallow-gif-6008098

[rough bloom]

C++ in a nutshell

[olive sable]

i kinda dont wanne do linux so away wsys goes

[opaque sigil]

llvm (clang) thankfully has an installer you can use to install it

[olive sable]

what is a llvm?

[opaque sigil]

and then clang should show up as available in the terminal

the project that clang belongs to

[rigid snow]

i don’t remember how but i have msvc in my path

without the separate terminal

[opaque wharf]

For all intents and purpose, treat LLVM like a company

They make a lot of different product

For free

[dense cosmos]

If developing on windows I just use Visual Studio for cpp

[rough bloom]

this (real)

[olive sable]

im sold

[opaque sigil]

llvm is the whole suite of tools for making/working with compilers and clang is their reference compiler basically

[opaque wharf]

Real and true https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubunchu!

[dense cosmos]

I don't have to mess with cmake or project setup in visual studio

[opaque sigil]

i'd rather spend some time configuring a build system that be forced to use visual studio ima be honest

[olive sable]

the clang install page is ass ngl

[opaque sigil]

hell i'll even take no build system over visual studio

i literally sent you the installer

[olive sable]

i like vscode, i despise vs

[opaque sigil]

it's on github

[dense cosmos]

Why, what's wrong with vs

It works

[olive sable]

then where the fuck am i?

[opaque sigil]

works is a very generous word from my experience

[rigid snow]

[opaque sigil]

everything is so incredibly sluggish

it feels like i'm on a 2gb ram dual core cpu

[opaque wharf]

https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/releases

[nocturne olive]

Guess what I'm gonna be programming today?

[olive sable]

thanks

[olive sable]

soup?

[dense cosmos]

Hmm, haven't run into that issue myself

[dense cosmos]

Maybe I just haven't programmed in giga size projects

[sage crag]

oo ee oo ee

[opaque sigil]

you want LLVM-20.1.6-win64.exe

[nocturne olive]

No, a parser such that we can use premade stuff to convert one project file to another project file to then export it as a script type to then convert that to a file that can be used as a dataset transcript

The parser I'll build will do the final step

Converting the script file to a dataset transcript

[opaque sigil]

not even that, it's the same with empty projects for me

[olive sable]

that sure is a sentence

[opaque wharf]

Oh, I thought you need the clang+llvm...?

[rough bloom]

.tar when distributing for Windows 💀
at least the new explorer archive stuff should support that now

[nocturne olive]

Yep
All in the name of NeuroSynth

[opaque sigil]

we want the installer

[olive sable]

which one is that?

[opaque sigil]

neither

[olive sable]

fucj

[opaque sigil]

.

[olive sable]

oh its collapsed

show all 63

[opaque sigil]

yeah there's a lot

[rigid snow]

63?? i wouldn’t be surprised if there’s LLVM-20.1.6-winxp-Itanium-64.exe somewhere in there

[opaque sigil]

they package all the projects individually too

alongside their signatures

[opaque wharf]

Monorepo is all the rage

[olive sable]

so what now, i insatalled it

oh i need to deleted the .vscode files

[rigid snow]

gcc still supports itanium wtf

[dense cosmos]

What's itanium

[olive sable]

ok it works now

[rigid snow]

a long long dead cpu arch by intel

[dense cosmos]

Oh

Cool

[olive sable]

As a reward here is a picture of my dog

[opaque wharf]

Do you have cats?

[olive sable]

no

[opaque wharf]

Boooo

[olive sable]

i have dogs, frogs, fish, and a guinea pig

[rough bloom]

traditionally gcc supports every architecture ever because microprocessor vendors just port gcc and call it a day
example: avr-gcc

[olive sable]

i guess dragonflies too, but idk if that counts. they're part of the pool

[opaque wharf]

You should have dog, cat, frog, fish, and guinea pig

[dense cosmos]

That sounds like a lot of work

[olive sable]

cats are ok, but i dont like cat owners

[opaque wharf]

Not all of them are maintained by GNU tho

[dense cosmos]

Who are they maintained by, then?

[stark needle]

pov u dont live irl and ur entire life is in vr ahh people who own this😭😭

[rough bloom]

it's not supported upstream by the main GCC developers
the vendors just take some random GCC version and port that exactly once
then that's the single vendor-approved ™️ compiler that works for that processor

[opaque sigil]

the people that use them

[opaque wharf]

The company that release said CPU usually

[dense cosmos]

Oh right that makes sense

[opaque wharf]

If they ever stop maintaining that, then the community

When community dies out and you still use some old CPU. My brother in christ, do upgrade please

Or you maintain it yourself. Thats a choice too

[dense cosmos]

I wonder how many people run builds over a decade old

[opaque wharf]

Still better than input which doesn't have direct touch with any of your limbs

[olive sable]

more than i am willing to accept

[dense cosmos]

Mine is already halfway there, and I intend on upgrading soon as I get the chance

[dense cosmos]

Why, don't want to support old pc

[olive sable]

no

a top of the line pc from 10 years ago is already slower than todays entry range pc's

[opaque wharf]

*Linux is heard in the distance

[olive sable]

true

[dense cosmos]

Hmm, can also turn it into a server or smt

My friend does that with his old laptops

[olive sable]

i did thaty for a mc server before

[trim valve]

that reminds me

mildly tempted to get an old thinkpad for a linux laptop

[opaque wharf]

One of the wacky input. Leap Motion

[trim valve]

but like I already have my trusty windows laptop so idk if I'd use it

[dense cosmos]

What's that

[opaque wharf]

Hand tracking that you can use as a mouse

[dense cosmos]

Huh?

How does that work

[opaque wharf]

Camera. 2 of them in Infrared

[olive sable]

they reinvented th kinect

[stark needle]

This is so scuffed

Maybe the motion 2 is good

[dense cosmos]

I like the idea of furiously gesturing at your system to get it to do things

[stark needle]

But the 1 was so bad

[opaque wharf]

As long as it gets the point across lol

[stark needle]

i have one it's rly bad

Only for vtuber software it's good ish

[opaque wharf]

I forget which version I have. I basically got it from my former employer when doing RnD. My boss just said keep it

[dense cosmos]

Nice, free stuff

[opaque wharf]

Never used it again lol

[rigid snow]

my point was that itanium IS still supported upstream, they deprecated it in gcc 14 but reverted in gcc 15

[opaque wharf]

"NOOO, the spacebar heater is breaking my workflow"

[olive sable]

spacebar heater?

[stone cedar]

Bingo? But I think that is already checked.

[rough bloom]

spacebar heating is an absolutely critical feature

[dense cosmos]

For a moment I thought you were talking about repurposing the cpu as a heater

[opaque wharf]

Oh wait, it is? I didn't know all the tiles lol

[rigid snow]

that’s kind of what it is though

[opaque wharf]

https://xkcd.com/1172/

xkcd: Workflow

There are probably children out there holding down spacebar to stay warm in the winter! YOUR UPDATE MURDERS CHILDREN.

[rough bloom]

classic emacs user moment

[dense cosmos]

Okay I got bamboozled again I thought it was a heater under the space key

[olive sable]

you know how vscode changes the colour of certain words depending on if its a function or whatever?
why is it so bad for C++?

[stone cedar]

My bad, it's actually xkcd / etiquette link and not just xkcd reference. But already got that

[dense cosmos]

Syntax highlighting

[opaque wharf]

Because..., have you installed the extension pack?

[olive sable]

yes

[opaque wharf]

Toast, does vscode autoconfig the LSP when using clang?

[opaque sigil]

It should

[dense cosmos]

I know my syntax highlighting died when I was programming in .cu files

[opaque sigil]

The c++ syntax highlighting just sucks

[opaque wharf]

What extension did you install Sam?

[opaque sigil]

I don't think there's much you can do about that

[opaque wharf]

Did you install the Clang one?

[opaque sigil]

do yourself a favour and use the clangd one

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

i didnt know, no need to be so mean

[opaque wharf]

Disable/uninstall this one

It'll conflict otherwise

[olive sable]

i did

[opaque wharf]

Also, I don't know if this one is of any help?
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=jeff-hykin.better-cpp-syntax

Toast have you used that?

[opaque sigil]

i think i do have that installed but idk if it actually does anything ngl

worth a try at least

[olive sable]

it seems to be working

altho its suggesting some stuff im not seeing in the tutorials

idk why i need to put val: but sure

wait that snot even a suggestion, its just ghost text?

[opaque sigil]

inline type hints

[olive sable]

i dont get it

[opaque sigil]

is val the parameter name

[olive sable]

idk

__val apprently

[opaque sigil]

if you don't like it then you can turn it off via
"editor.inlayHints.enabled": "off"
in the settings.json

[brisk laurel]

Chat should I stop studying code and IT stuff and go for a different career instead?

[olive sable]

idk

gota love Csharpsharp tho

[brisk laurel]

What's so great about it?

[olive sable]

idk, i dont use Csharpsharp

[rigid snow]

uh oh someone found the repo

[olive sable]

i dont even know what the s are supposed to stand for

[rigid snow]

cascading style sheets

?

is that what you mean

[dense cosmos]

[brisk laurel]

like is python the best way to start learning code?

[dense cosmos]

It wasn't for me personally

[opaque sigil]

no it's clearly php

duh

[rigid snow]

yes, python home page is the best way

[dense cosmos]

I enjoyed starting with c

When I tried python for the first time I remember being frustrated because I didn't understand how any of it worked

[olive sable]

scratch. make all the 5 year olds do scratch.
then when they're finally comfortable with scratch you make them do python.

[brisk laurel]

I mean it's better learn some of it even if it's just for fun

[rigid snow]

same but for me i was so burnt by the indentation thing

[opaque wharf]

My first language is VBScript, then Bat scripting

[ruby timber]

Same!

[olive sable]

dudududududududududud batman

[ruby timber]

Then again I barely have a year of experience actually learning it full time but oh well

[olive sable]

why does c++ not have print?

[ruby timber]

It does

[rigid snow]

oh boy

[ruby timber]

[dense cosmos]

std::cout

[ruby timber]

It has print.s

[olive sable]

well yes i know

[stone cedar]

or puts, or printf

[opaque sigil]

std::print exists now

[ruby timber]

that's the C way

[opaque sigil]

(you'll never get to use it anywhere serious within the next decade cause c++23)

[dense cosmos]

I wonder how much trouble some poor soul had to go through to get it into the standard

[stone cedar]

I will not be endorsing the use of iostream, its horrific for actually outputting text

[olive sable]

wait, where did the run button go? does clangd not have that?

[ruby timber]

I haven't used it for long enough to form an opinion, so you might be right one that one

[brisk laurel]

The what?

[opaque sigil]

i'll never get over the fact that c++'s hello world uses operator overloading

[olive sable]

what?

[dense cosmos]

Can you elaborate? What's wrong with iostream

[opaque wharf]

You can change the behavior of operator (+ , -, >> , <<, and any other)

[dense cosmos]

autocorrect

[opaque wharf]

Its called operator overloading

[brisk laurel]

That reminded me of this meme

[olive sable]

isnt it just << ???

[rigid snow]

“erm no our cursed operator overloading bullshit is clearly better and prepares people learning the language for the hell they’ll encounter”

[opaque wharf]

Yes, but consider 5 << 7 will output

[dry charm]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6171360/what-serious-alternatives-exist-for-the-iostream-library-besides-cstdio
Huh, interesting

[olive sable]

idk, i havent tried it yet

[dense cosmos]

-# I like operator overloading tho

[opaque wharf]

Then why consider why cout << "Hello world" work using the same <<

[opaque wharf]

Its left shift binary

[olive sable]

where did the run button go?
it was there a sec ago

[stone cedar]

Format a float with leading zeros and max 3 digits after the dot in iostream requires an additional header and putting some weird formatting object in between two <<'s
I think that's ugly and cumbersome for zero other benefits other than "it's not the c way"

[opaque wharf]

0000000000101 << 7 = 1010000000

[rigid snow]

like, genuinely, what’s the reason?? what analogy or correlation am i supposed to make in my head? why am i shifting the output by the string??

[dry charm]

I mean operator overloading requires context, like how it is used like in C#. += is used in events to denote adding a callback to it lol

[opaque sigil]

you're shifting a value onto a stream

it makes sense but still

why do i now have to check every god damn operator for whether or not it allocates memory because for all i know it could do so

WHY

[rigid snow]

except for that it doesn’t

<< isn’t to “shift a value in”

[opaque sigil]

it does if you want it to

[dry charm]

I always just view it as "ehh, you have a big funnel, tunnel this stuff into the other stuff"

[opaque wharf]

Hoo boy, you know its gonna be good when several people are typing lol

[opaque sigil]

yea

[dense cosmos]

Would you like it if the operator was <<< instead

[opaque sigil]

no

[dense cosmos]

So no ambiguity with bitshifting

[brisk laurel]

So any of you guys general got tips for me
just starting out what is coding and programming all about?

[dense cosmos]

Problem solving

[rigid snow]

why do we have an operator in the first place

[opaque wharf]

That is a valid operator in a language somewhere. I just can't put my finger on it

[rough bloom]

Python also does this btw
they use the division operator / to join paths

[opaque sigil]

<<< is valid cuda

well sort of

not as an operator

[dense cosmos]

Convenience ✨

[rigid snow]

i was joking btw i don’t actually think python is the best way although i can’t say i know of a “best way”

[dense cosmos]

I mean <<< bleh >>> is cuda

[opaque wharf]

IS FUCKING JS
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Operators/Unsigned_right_shift

[rigid snow]

but that actually DOES make sense

[opaque sigil]

oh right

[rigid snow]

yeah that exists

[rough bloom]

no, nothing about joining two paths involves dividing two numbers

[brisk laurel]

I only need a way for me to learn code so I can easily digest all of it for now.
I'm studying IT btw

[dense cosmos]

Can't go wrong with c

At least I don't think so

[rigid snow]

are you gonna say concatting strings with + doesn’t make sense next or what? concatting paths with a symbol that’s a path separator makes sense

[rough bloom]

string concatenation should ideally be a separate operator, yes

[opaque wharf]

APL my beloved

[rigid snow]

idk where that originally came from but "i like "."this"

[dense cosmos]

stringstream and you can use the beloved << with strings outside of IO

[opaque wharf]

Or BQN if you're poor

[rigid snow]

is it php?

no way it is

there’s zero originality in php

[stone cedar]

PHP does string concat with a . but i don"t know if it originated there

[dense cosmos]

. Is already used for accessing class members tho

[opaque sigil]

what about "i like " "this"

[opaque wharf]

That's valid in C

[stone cedar]

also valid c/c++

[dense cosmos]

What

[stone cedar]

but only works for string literals

[dense cosmos]

How

[rigid snow]

let’s just leave the concat op as + ok

[opaque wharf]

Because you know both value at compile time

[opaque sigil]

it's nice for when you need weird format specifiers so you can put them in a macro

[dense cosmos]

I mean I figured compiler would just yell at you for syntax error

[opaque sigil]

nah it's part of the standard

[opaque wharf]

Yep

[opaque sigil]

python has the same thing btw

[opaque wharf]

Wait they did? I never know that lol

[dense cosmos]

Cursed knowledge

[opaque wharf]

I just use fmt like normal

[tender river]

you can do that in python too i think

[opaque sigil]

mhm

[tender river]

oh you mentioned it

anyway i like strlit concatenation and i dont care if its done using concat!() or sequencing

[opaque sigil]

i wonder if there's an actual reason or if they just went "well we already write this language in c, why not bring this over"

[tender river]

though its arguably useless in python

[opaque sigil]

i guess splitting up long strings this way is kinda nice

[tender river]

you just have to remember to use ( since its python

[dense cosmos]

I don't like that // thing you need to do for multiline macros

Not //

[tender river]

\

[dense cosmos]

Yea that

Makes it less readable

[opaque sigil]

just put them at the end of the screen

or rather, the formatter should

[warped narwhal]

Putting two spaces before it helps

[dense cosmos]

I suppose

[maiden geyser]

depending on where you're going, but mostly yes
it gives you enough understanding to go in depth (C, asm) or in distance (JS)

[opaque wharf]

ELIV IS LIVE YEAH

I just realized evil is live read backwards....

[maiden geyser]

#announcements message

it's so over

[tender river]

i thought its my vpn or somethnig

well at first i thought its noscript

but disabling it didnt help

[opaque sigil]

let me upload my macro example

[opaque wharf]

Why must it be when evil is streaming

[gaunt smelt]

same😭

[drowsy ocean]

I hate my internet

[nocturne olive]

Discord CDN is just dead

[opaque wharf]

We did it boys. We DDoS-ed Discord

[tender river]

i should consider not spilling tea every week

[opaque wharf]

At that point just consider it your workflow

[tender river]

im not anny

wait

my name is suspiciously similar

[inner pike]

i despise the windows volume mixer with a burning passion, i have gotten earraped by it several times already because it keeps fucking resetting

[opaque wharf]

To what? Tea?

[tender river]

does tea spilling come with the name please i dont want that

[inner pike]

why and how the fuck is it so shit

[faint sandal]

i think more than the discord cdn is down right now

[olive sable]

thats C++ 14, i have 13.2 so nope

[faint sandal]

i tried to raid moments ago and Twitch was returning server error

at least the chat still works

[inner pike]

yeah vedal mentioned neuro cant time anybody out cause the api is down

[faint sandal]

inb4 cloudflare

[opaque wharf]

C++ 13.2

[olive sable]

yep

[opaque wharf]

Please toast

I'm on mobile lol

[opaque sigil]

the cpp reference would like to disagree

[olive sable]

?

[opaque sigil]

idk what 13.2 could even be

[opaque wharf]

No, there are no C++ 13.2 sam

[olive sable]

no embeds?

[opaque sigil]

no embeds no attachments

[opaque wharf]

The C++ 14 refer to the language standard version. The 13.2 is the compiler

Like python have python 2 and 3. Each with sub version

[olive sable]

PS C:\Users\vanma\OneDrive\C++> c++ --version
c++.exe (MinGW-W64 x86_64-ucrt-posix-seh, built by Brecht Sanders) 13.2.0
Copyright (C) 2023 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, think of it like that

[opaque sigil]

oh you're using gcc

[trim valve]

huh I did not know that alias existed

[opaque wharf]

That 13.2 it the last number after python3.13.2 for example

[rough bloom]

looking like it's GCPs fault right now, somehow
but yeah mabe Cloudflare

[olive sable]

print doesnt worka nyways so idk

[opaque sigil]

ah

c++23 was implemented in gcc 14

it's coming together

[olive sable]

#include <print>
does not work

[trim valve]

that is indeed correct

[noble zodiac]

its in stdio

[opaque sigil]

scratch trying to use std::print

just use printf

[olive sable]

ok

[noble zodiac]

I was about to say, who uses print instead of printf

[opaque sigil]

c++ people

actually

[noble zodiac]

nahh, frick that and use printf

[tender river]

cout is used in competitive programming

[olive sable]

oh, were back

[opaque sigil]

what is the difference between the two anyway

[olive sable]

idk

[opaque sigil]

i never looked super deep into the new print/format stuff

either way just use printf and be done with it

[noble zodiac]

apparently print got just introduced in c++23 and is a new thing

[faint sandal]

i think the cdn is back?

[opaque sigil]

oh i guess std::print has some extra type safety and more stuff you can do with the formatting + custom formatters

[tender river]

then again competitive programming just looks like this

void solve() noexcept {
  RD(I, n);
  V<I> b(n);
  Ar<I,19> cnt;
  fill(ALL(cnt), 0);
  FOR(i,1,n) {
    cin >> b[i];
    b[i] ^= b[i-1];
    FORK(19) {
      if (b[i]&(1<<k)) ++cnt[k];
      if (i&(1<<k)) --cnt[k];
    }
  }
  I val = 0;
  FORI(19) if (cnt[i]) val |= 1 << i;
  FORI(n) b[i] ^= val;
  return prn(b);
}

[worldly plank]

What language is that?

[tender river]

c++

[noble zodiac]

competitive programing is for people whose first phrase of the day is "well akschually"

and that each and every day

[olive sable]

i dont like how competetive programming looks

[tender river]

competitive programming is fun but like any competitive thing it takes a lot of time to get good at

[gritty dust]

tf you mean competitive programming lol

[olive sable]

look at chayleafs message

[stark needle]

mfs who solve google interview in 3.1425 seconds

at O(log n)

[rigid snow]

why is the whole internet dying what happened this time

[opaque sigil]

just a casual thursday innit

looking forward to the cloudflare blog post

[rigid snow]

about what even

it can't be an issue with their infra

[opaque sigil]

well given their status page is all red

[rigid snow]

did like a backbone isp blow up or something

[opaque sigil]

something high up the chain is definitely wrong

[rough bloom]

GCP dying

[opaque sigil]

given that both gcp and aws too have some partial outages from what it looks like

[rough bloom]

Cloudflare too, somehow

[rough bloom]

and AWS but not that much, yeah

they recovered

[rigid snow]

well yeah aws gcp and cf are all separate entities with 0 reliance on each other

[trim valve]

oh damn cloudflare is much more red than when I last checked

[rigid snow]

that's why this is fascinating to me

[tender river]

you havent seen my header

[opaque sigil]

iirc both aws and gcp rely on cloudflare for some stuff, it's not like this is the first time
a couple years ago cf had an outage and they took both aws & gcp with them

[tender river]

also someone here was saying they never saw the comma operator in use

well you're free to count how much this code uses it

[opaque sigil]

is there a practical reason for minifying the header

as in, are there size limits in place

[tender river]

there are

the other reason is i dont want to look at it

[opaque sigil]

i see, makes sense then

[tender river]

as in, there are rnadom changes i have to make both above and below the header i dont wanna concern myself with the header itself i want it out of the way

still pretty long with all the macros

[sour harness]

I just walked backwards from RFORI and it'S horrifying

Wait, are you saying a spoon is a reverse fork?

[tender river]

it is

(i only ever had to use RFORJ)

[faint sandal]

I love spooning

[olive sable]

???

[drowsy ocean]

wrong discord server reply

[olive sable]

ah

[uneven pulsar]

[drowsy ocean]

pc lagging due to unity and game updating and downloading

[olive sable]

[uneven pulsar]

[olive sable]

[drowsy ocean]

bruh

[sour harness]

So Mistral released their new reasoning model Magistral. Gave it a shot with my "hello world" prompt of around 3k tokens. It's fast alright, but incredibly chatty:Model loading time: 3.30s Time to first token: 0ms Characters generated: 23755 Characters per second: 238.33 Tokens generated: 4611 Tokens per second: 79.44 Average characters per second: 428.60 Average tokens per second: 83.19

and it got the output format wrong that I required.

[hoary lion]

[nocturne olive]

I finished this thing I guess
It was particularly silly

[bright scaffold]

I want to install something on Arch Linux with i3 6100u and igpu

But idk what

[opaque sigil]

pacman -Syu <package>

[bright scaffold]

No-no

Im about gui

[opaque sigil]

i can't read

then idk

[bright scaffold]

Idk what i want to install

[sage crag]

depends if you want really lightweight or a more standard desktop

[sour harness]

If you are on Arch and not running some tiling window manager like hyprland or i3, can you even call yourself an Arch user?

[sage crag]

yes

[bright scaffold]

Something simple and lightweight for gaming, coding and serfing, If possible, also with the ability to make it beautiful

[bright scaffold]

i running already

[opaque sigil]

sounds like you want hyprland

[bright scaffold]

But I don't have much time to set all this up from scratch.

[sour harness]

Yeah, hyprland is probably what you want for cutomizability

[bright scaffold]

[sage crag]

how well does hyprland run on an igpu from 2015

[opaque sigil]

only one way to find out

[sage crag]

theres not really a way around configuring hyprland if you want to use it

[bright scaffold]

Im thinking about xfce4, lxqt, kde or hyprland(but I dont have enough time to fully configure it)

[opaque sigil]

if you want there are some preconfigured setups on the hyprland site you could take as inspiration

[sage crag]

in terms of things that are easiest to configure, i would suggest kde on xorg with graphical effects turned off

[olive sable]

big oops, my bookmark bar has slight dox info

[sage crag]

but then again, its not going to be as lightweight as the other options

[olive sable]

attempt 2
i got wasm working

[nocturne olive]

WASM compilation of C++?

What build system?

[sage crag]

emscripten

[olive sable]

emcc test1.cpp -o test1.html
npx http-server . -o -p 9999

[nocturne olive]

Well, time to make it a game engine

[bright scaffold]

Where can i find it

[opaque sigil]

https://wiki.hypr.land/Configuring/Example-configurations/

[olive sable]

i need to figure out how to do the webgl, and how to do the gltf.
besides that its just coding

[nocturne olive]

Silly

Well, I guess will be interesting to see how porting the game engine goes this time