programming

[loud thicket]

FAANG employees after realizing how soulless it is

[valid heron]

I just bought a frutiger aero themed mouse

[safe path]

don't reference sensitive topics in a meme @rigid snow

[rigid snow]

probably should have thought twice good call

sorrgy

[safe path]

[stark needle]

[stark needle]

What if we reference the term "sensitive topics" itself

Does that break the rule

[uneven pulsar]

vanor!

sorry to ping but i wanted to show you smt

[safe path]

hi

ok

[uneven pulsar]

// the code here is an example of the halt condition
public class lesson3 {
    public static void main(String[] args) {
        int result = sum(4, 8); // in this line we declare the int var and we use the method to enter args 4 and 8
        System.out.println("Sum: " + result); // it will display the results out put would be 30
    }
    // the used method to make the halt condition
    public static int sum(int start, int end) {
        if (end > start) { // it will occure if the end greater than start also the halt condition would trigger if the start > end
            return end + sum(start, end - 1);
        } else {
            return end; // base case: when end == start
        }
    }
}```

its the halt condition

[uneven pulsar]

i now understood what you said about it through learning java

sorry if a bothered you cuz i started to think about it but you see when i started java it became more clear to understand

[safe path]

nah it's ok to bother me most of the time

glad you're learning well

[uneven pulsar]

you taught me a lot from it

thank you

[desert wave]

ping vanor for code reviews

[rare bramble]

[tender river]

then look vanor i reinvented sum types https://pavluk.org/blog/2025/06/09/nix_sum_types.html

[dense cosmos]

damn, coffee really does work

also, hello #programming

I was half zombie whole day after sleeping at 4 am after watching dev stream

admittedly my own fault, but eh

I wonder what I should work on rn

my ai project, my game, my other game, my hackathon project, or...

[dry charm]

You are slowly implementing Haskell into nix lol

[dry charm]

me, but I get blocked on all 4 cause of a minor inconvience and I do not do anything all day

[dense cosmos]

same

[tender river]

i mean, both languages are based on lambda calculus, the only difference is that haskell is typed

[dense cosmos]

also my taskbar died and restarted

y did it do that tho

[tender river]

i guess you could say that typeclasses make the languages diverge quite a bit though

[dry charm]

I kind of hate that in Nix

when type errors happen and the error is not descriptive enough

[tender river]

thats what makes it so flexible, but yeah nix error messages suck

"ah yes a random value somewhere in random code was an int rather than a string, i will now have to search through my entire codebase to understand what could be possibly causing it"

thats just the curse of dynamic languages

but also, because they're dynamic you can implement cool stuff in them without type system support

[dense cosmos]

maybe instead of working on any of my existing projects I should start a small one like a little game jam

or maybe not

perhaps starting another project is not the best idea

[loud thicket]

Js be like

[stark needle]

GeeFarce 5027 POS

[stray dragon]

the "intel core" sticker just slapped on there lmao

[unkempt citrus]

They have to be taking the piss

Piece of Shit

Farce

No PC needed

[sage crag]

i have a box of fudge on my bedside which i eat to get a sugar rush in the morning

it makes me wake up

[trim valve]

got myself a decent second hand g502 pogs

[sage crag]

woh

[trim valve]

need to clean it but woo

now I have a laptop mouse

with a goofy scroll wheel

[tender river]

same mouse as me

it just feels comfy but i heard that it depends on your hand size

and fast scrolling and the amount of macro keys are both great

[trim valve]

idk what I'm gonna use the macro keys for lol

[tender river]

i use them as media keys

and for tts

[trim valve]

I mostly just needed a mouse because trackpad translates really poorly over remote desktop

[tender river]

sorry ptt not tts

[trim valve]

oh true it is a nice ptt button I guess

silly

ugh I really need to figure out how to get this gamer gunk out of the mouse

[dense cosmos]

I have a hyperx pulsefire haste mouse

the middle mouse button is kinda busted

but otherwise, it's great

my old mouse would make my hand ache after long hours

haven't had that issue at all with this mouse

oh! I should remap the side keys I never use to the middle mouse!

[maiden grotto]

i have a generic $5 gaming mouse which makes squeaking noise when i scroll but does the job

[trim valve]

it takes a lot more effort to midle click on the g502 than the superlight

problem solved

[opaque sigil]

i sure as heck would hope that the g502 takes more effort to middle click on give it's metal

[tender river]

why do the side keys not have labels

also side scrolling is useful i wouldnt get rid of it

[trim valve]

I just use shift + scroll

[trim valve]

quirky ui

[trim valve]

but its so much force

my little gamer fingers barely do anything on my other mouse

[tender river]

whenever i give my mouse to someone not used to it they always accidentally press the macro keys lol

[trim valve]

I can understand the ones by the thumb

[old totem]

chat help

why is the reading stuck at 153.00

so what im trying to do is to take the first 100 vlaues of the temp sensor

and average it based on that

either the wiring or the code is wrong

[trim valve]

idk much about arduino but do you have to set the pin to be an input or something

also like what value are you expecting to get

[old totem]

well i want it to fluctuate

when i move the temp slider around

but it doesnt

[trim valve]

also you're writing to readAvg[-1] on the first loop iter

[old totem]

oh shit you right

i changed i to 1

but its still stuck to 153

is my for loop wrong

[rough bloom]

Also analogRead is only called once before the for loops
that's probably meant to run on every iteration instead

[trim valve]

oh true

[old totem]

OH SHIT okay it works but the array is filled with only one value

[old totem]

thats probably the reason

IT WORKS NOW

thanks

now i have to figure out how to recreate the reduce method from javascript to get my average

[uneven pulsar]

can someone help me

[faint sandal]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[uneven pulsar]

okay look i am trying to use gpt api

and i made a basic search bar that it will show the game and give a small description about it but its not working

to clarify i dont know what did i do wrong or did i use the api correct?

[trim valve]

also the other thing is it's such a pain to full force click when you're navigating a 3d viewpoint lol

[old totem]

i actually have zero idea how to do the math on the average so im just gonna ask if the code is correct

is the code taking the average right?

[trim valve]

I am generally pretty close to spamming that button I want it to feel like a normal mouse button

[trim valve]

you start at readAvg[1]

and idr if just doing int sum actually sets sum to 0 or not

[uneven pulsar]

i am going crazy did i use the api wrong???

[noble zodiac]

how are we suppose to know without seeing what you actually did?

[opaque sigil]

yeeeeeah, one of my favourite things about the superlight is how light the scroll wheel is

[uneven pulsar]

ok look i made the basic frontend using html and bootstrap like i am not even sure if i wrote it right to call the api

[dry charm]

Basic HTML and Bootstrap does not have the correct toolset for an API I don't think

You most likely need a nodejs app which serves as an API for call ChatGPT

[uneven pulsar]

i just used bootsrap for the styling

[dry charm]

you should never embed APi keys in webpages

Bootstrap is a stylling library yes, it does not do anything else

[uneven pulsar]

then whats the solution

[dry charm]

Can you show us what you did? Please make sure to send the snippet without the API key

[uneven pulsar]

i am trying to teach my self to use an api on basic website

ok

[tender river]

we dont really have it in russia but i read on wikipedia that it can be considered a subclass of ириски which is i think is toffee in english so i have a question, does it kill your teeth as well?

[sage crag]

fudge is a crumbly treat

made the same way as toffee except you add milk and butter, and cook it at a higher temperature

[tender river]

does it taste similar

[sage crag]

the main flavour is sugar

[uneven pulsar]

here

[uneven pulsar]

do i have to call something here?

[sage crag]

they do taste similar but toffee tastes more "warm"

[noble zodiac]

am I crazy or is this a classic off by one error? Ignoring the fact that you don't need the array in the first pllace

[tender river]

yup it is off by one

[sage crag]

its not chewy unlike toffee, too

[noble zodiac]

I'm suprised it didnt crash

[tender river]

wait no maybe not

[uneven pulsar]

the app.py have the api code

[sage crag]

in terms of consistency
caramel -> toffee -> fudge -> tablet

[uneven pulsar]

api is so complex

[tender river]

oh yeah replace sum += readAvg[i] with sum += readAvg[i - 1]

[tender river]

ipads

[noble zodiac]

or start at 0 as god intended

[tender river]

exactly

[sage crag]

tablet is like a harder version of fudge

fudge is soft and crumbly, tablet is harder

[tender river]

wait wouldnt it go before fudge then

[sage crag]

this was in "softness"

[noble zodiac]

wait, how can it be both soft and crumbly

[sage crag]

ever seen my ego

[noble zodiac]

frfr ong

[dry charm]

ah I see, what are you doing in the app.js? Do you send the request to the app.py?

Have you checked the Console in the browser and the log in the terminal where the python runs?

[sage crag]

anyway, the real answer is its internally made of loosely connected sugar crystals

[tender river]

konii's ego is famously very soft and squishy

[sage crag]

so its squashable but crumbles easily

[noble zodiac]

put some Kladdkaka next to your bed if you want a real sugar shock

[tender river]

or just eat sugar

[sage crag]

i feel like pure sugar is actually less sugary than fudge

since its made from hypersaturated sugar syrup

lol

[tender river]

the only crumbly sweets i remember off the top of my head is halva honestly

[sage crag]

ive never had it

ive seen it though

[tender river]

i dont like it anymore for some reason

[noble zodiac]

I never understood those soft cookies they have at subway

why do you want it mushy

[tender river]

there are some sweets similar to halva that i like better tho

[sage crag]

#programming ontopic as per usual

[tender river]

oh apparently sunflower halva is mostly a local tihing

[noble zodiac]

me when I make soljanka

[tender river]

i only knew about this local snack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curd_snack

[uneven pulsar]

wiat it said missing enviroment

[noble zodiac]

nice api key

[uneven pulsar]

OH FU

[noble zodiac]

classic #programming moment

[tender river]

i think the most common meal in russia that you would have a hard time finding overseas is buckwheat

[stray dragon]

free api key oh boy

[noble zodiac]

its pretty easy to find around here. soviet occupation does that to a place

[tight tinsel]

i heard free api key

[uneven pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/chinese-man-chinese-man-chinese-man-raging-rage-gif-6043629091848797451

[stray dragon]

yes, for openAI

[uneven pulsar]

FUCK

[stray dragon]

(just change it if you can)

[uneven pulsar]

ITS JUST A STUPID API PLEASE NO

[stray dragon]

there should be an option to change your api key

[uneven pulsar]

LEAVE IT AAAAAAA

[dry charm]

I told you to make sure you do not share you API key

actually @safe path AAAAA

can we have this list implemented in automod? https://github.com/odomojuli/regextokens

[uneven pulsar]

I DELETED THE MSG

[dry charm]

it just a precaution, cause it's not the first, nor the last time it'll happen

[rigid snow]

just reset the key calm down

[dry charm]

also yeah

I wish discord also had the scanning like github does

or atleast available in bot form

see api token: EXTERMINATE

[stray dragon]

still wouldn't really work, message loggers exist

needs to be filtered before the message gets sent

[dry charm]

The point for those scanners is to send an automated invalidation message to the API source

like in github case, when you commit an API key, it gets automatically invalidated

[stray dragon]

ah i see

[trim valve]

the discord.py server has a bot that makes a github gist with your token if you paste a discord token into chat

pretty neat

[uneven pulsar]

KEY CHANGED

I HAD TO BREAK MY LEG

[dry charm]

what

OH

cause it is scanned

that is smart

[trim valve]

ye

basically instant revoke

[gritty dust]

Imagine leaking an API key

[hoary lion]

fr

[rigid snow]

guys what does this message mean??

[hoary lion]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-gif-2005809404009480947

[rigid snow]

yeah it will still probably happen through screenshots

[uneven pulsar]

BRO DONT LEAK THE API

[gritty dust]

free API keys guys

[vernal summit]

oh... api keys

[knotty current]

wait that kinda looks like my API key

[vernal summit]

[knotty current]

when did mine get leaked

[gritty dust]

Lol

[tender river]

isnt async rust beautiful

[wide flicker]

My buddy's making a discord bot with Rust, I should probably at least try coding smth w it at some point

Right now I'm using python :)

[dry charm]

Is this the borrowing thingie the reason for so much cloning?

[opaque wharf]

Next step, rust promise-await

Oh, I thought it was callback hell lol

[tender river]

this kind of pattern occurs in many languages, it would usually be implicit but rust makes it explicit

[opaque wharf]

Because I remember the day when callback nesting get so bad that its practically an arrow shape

[tender river]

its called cps and its glorious

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation-passing_style

[rigid snow]

i don’t get why this meme exists, for it to be funny it has to be true

i am so getting ragebaited by it

[sick owl]

https://huggingface.co/mistralai/Magistral-Small-2506

[gritty dust]

Lol I know rust is really useful haha, I think AWS even uses it. I just thought funny

[opaque wharf]

One look at Cloudflare github and its quite obvious how load bearing rust is now

[rough bloom]

would've been accurate 7 years ago

[gritty dust]

Lol I know bro

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, maybe that is an old meme so it is funny at that time

But I still loled tho

[opaque wharf]

Yeah. I was just talking about things that we can see how exactly it is used as cloudflare open sourced most of their project

Oh, TIL amazon also have quite good open sourced project on their github...

[stark needle]

Openai is NOT making profits

[olive sable]

I am alive

My sleepchedule is completly fucked tho, its 7pm

I saw somee stuff about the g502 while backreading, ye its slightly heavy and hard to press the middle mouse button but i have big hands so its one of the only mice i can use.

[trim valve]

if I could disassemble it without ruining the skates I would absolutely deep clean this good lord

[noble zodiac]

366 |         [Expr::DFunc(_, _, is_macro, _)] => *is_macro,
    |                          ^ private type

ok... but... I dont want that field?

nvm I see what it means

[gritty dust]

Heyo

[tender river]

i disassembled it once and broke it

[trim valve]

[tender river]

(yes this one is my second one)

[warm wadi]

Chat, I´m an aspirant of programmer in Java (doing a curse right now) and I need help with a really basic thing, cansomebodypleasehelpme 🥺

[obsidian mantle]

anybody uses ffz for twitch?
where did the "refresh player" button go?
it disappeared like a couple days ago for me.. i really need it

oh actually the "latency reducer" which ruins the sound is back too. looks like the player is absolutely unaffecred by ffz now

[topaz tendon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1099761105552814100/1382005119926669432/IMG_20250610_163316.jpg?ex=68499411&is=68484291&hm=639b0cc3229acef76894cdf9801cf28ebf004fbf735f37abc134b7da5ae3f461&=&format=webp&width=790&height=798 Finally, it's happening... They're beginning to deploy fiber internet in my area

[olive sable]

dont ask to ask bro

just ask

[stark needle]

im gonna do something funny

try to make neuro voice v3

[ruby timber]

200 fine tunes

[stark needle]

i can prob do it in 4-5

[tender river]

you're aiming too low

make neuro voice v4

[stark needle]

true

[ruby timber]

Famous last words

True, prepare the next generation of Vedal AI

[stark needle]

lemme cook

[ruby timber]

Will do

[flat notch]

Hay

[stark needle]

ye

i will drop

Neuro-Sama 2

the sequel

[olive sable]

neuro sama definitife deluxe remastered edition

[nocturne olive]

It's not like it'd probably be too hard considering how easy it feels to clone her singing voice when your dataset is the biggest and highest quality one the community has probably

[gritty dust]

Chatgpt 4, make chatgpt 5 hehe

[stark needle]

Ye but it needs to be better

So no cloning

Like in the traditional sense

[nocturne olive]

My approach would be distilling Neuro's singing voice trough RVC into a TTS dataset to then finetune a TTS

[warm wadi]

Sorry

[stark needle]

As vedal said the problem is

[olive sable]

no prob

[stark needle]

That tts models aren't good

At training on neuros voice

[sage crag]

make a new thing

[stark needle]

Cause her voice is weird and artificial

[stark needle]

hi konii

[sage crag]

hello acquire corepunk with code vedal

[warm wadi]

Task 1:
Write a function called letterFinder that accepts two parameters: word and match.

Task 2:
Code a 'for' loop within the function structure. The for loop counter should start at zero, increment by 1 on each iteration, and exit when the value of the counter variable equals the length of the word parameter.

[warm wadi]

I need to do this but, honestly, I don´t have a single idea of what can I do

the current code I have is:

function letterFinder (word, match){

 for (var i=0; i > word.length; i++){
console.log(i, word[i])

}
}

[sage crag]

the way you can check for equality will be

if (a == b) {
  ...
} else {
  ...
}

where a, b are the two things you are comparing

in your case it would be checking if word[i] is equal to match

if it is, you should exit the loop

and return the index

[warm wadi]

What should I put under the "if"?, I mean, a text in " or something¿

Honestly, I don´t exactly know what they´re asking me to do XD

Shouldn´t be the value of i instead of match'

[sage crag]

you are trying to find the match character in the word string

word[i] is the character at index i of the string word

so you are comparing match to word[i]

function letterFinder(word, match) {
  for (var i = 0; i > word.length; i++) {
    if word[i] == match {
      // put what you want in here
    }
  }
}

inside the if word[i] == match {} will be when you have found the match

[warm wadi]

Thank you!

[uneven pulsar]

you learning js?

[gritty dust]

code

[stark needle]

i agree

[hoary lion]

I am fully invested

[uneven pulsar]

why not use azure?

[hoary lion]

not fun

[uneven pulsar]

wdym?

[hoary lion]

challenge yourself

decline api

[uneven pulsar]

oh you did see about me yapping about the api

yeah i kinda have up but il figure it out later

[hoary lion]

i didn't

[uneven pulsar]

i had some api issues today

[hoary lion]

APIs are meant to broke

[uneven pulsar]

i kinda hate the concept there so sensitive to use

[hoary lion]

classic behavior

always fails

love 429

[rigid snow]

oh are they raising funds? i wanna invest, my offer is: 1 united states dollar and a cookie for 5% stake

[hoary lion]

[uneven pulsar]

my pfp is a bwa

but shadow really did fine art on drawing it🗣️ 🔥 it looks lore accurate v1

[hoary lion]

hot take: TTS arch these days are shit

[rigid snow]

i assume http 429 too many requests

[hoary lion]

we do NOT need autoregressiveness everywhere

it is based on task, but ye

for neuro, different approach is definitely needed

[rigid snow]

lol my theoretical tts is better than anything on the market fr

[hoary lion]

drop the arch now

I love forking others

[hoary lion]

so uh

[rigid snow]

it's not an nn arch

[hoary lion]

vocaloid with extra steps

for naturalness

[rigid snow]

not really

vocaloid isn't physical modeling

[hoary lion]

dunno much but ye

two step is genuinely very slow

unless you pass it through rvc

[rigid snow]

it's this basically

[hoary lion]

uhhh

idk tbh

but doesn't really sound natural unfortunately

would need some additional restoring VAE or such

[rigid snow]

it's because it's 1. just playing back phonemes, not algo/nn driven 2. pink trombone is an ancient experiment website and isn't representative of what physical modeling synthesis is capable of

[hoary lion]

bwaa bwaa

i see

[olive sable]

i love graphs

[worldly plank]

What are the licenses for Quest Through the Harrison Temple and Remnants of Vedal's Coding Ability?

[gritty dust]

WTF

bro

what is that

[opaque wharf]

Maybe game from gamejam?

Oh

Man I really need to sleep huh. Bye all

[olive sable]

its the current pipeline of the game-engine. x is time and y is the functions

[uneven pulsar]

pygame?

[olive sable]

kinda

[uneven pulsar]

pygame lacks some rendering features

[olive sable]

i use pygame as the window and the thing to connect to the webgl instnace

but the backend is opengl

[olive sable]

which is why i dont use it to render

[uneven pulsar]

of course WAIT why

why not vulkan

[olive sable]

cuz i dont know how to vulkan

[rigid snow]

why not vk

[uneven pulsar]

opengl is outdated

vulkan is standard

[olive sable]

"vulkan is standart" for triple A maybe.
do i look like a triple A game studio?

the current budget is in the negative

im in debt

[uneven pulsar]

it can be indie

[olive sable]

that is the plan you know

[opaque sigil]

vulkan is misery

opengl my beloved

[rigid snow]

also webgl is afaik 1 to 1 to opengl, no vulkan in the browser

[olive sable]

but if i were to use vulkan i would have to cook this fore another 4 years to get to the same level as im at now

[opaque sigil]

webgpu

[olive sable]

at that pointid rather just go to rust or C++ instead of using python

[rough bloom]

True, but I don't think this particular application would benefit from it that much
Most of the improvements Vulkan has (other than the super-advanced ™️ cutting-edge features used for raytracing and stuff) are targeted towards better multithreading performance
Python, especially with Pygame, doesn't really do that

[olive sable]

webgl is like opengl 3.0 es. but has less features and is generally more shit

[uneven pulsar]

opengl is loved for freindly graphical use

its not stupidly complex like vulkan

[opaque sigil]

clearly the answer is to use metal

[rigid snow]

but they're different apis, do you need a compat layer

[rough bloom]

the 3 bajillion OpenGL extensions in question

[olive sable]

if i was using vulkan i might be able to do grass like this without it taking up 75% of the render budget lol

for now it shall look like this

tbh i could leave in the stupidly expensive grass for the 5090 people, but this is supposed to run in the browser so nah

[olive sable]

go to the page and see if there is a license attached

most of the time there wont be, but please check

and even if there isnt a license, i would still ask if you have permision to use it

that being said, go through the mods, dont ping the tutelman

[olive sable]

im trying to see how much the grass is taking up and why, but the graph is broken

[gritty dust]

ohh browser, Im excited

[olive sable]

this is all in preperation for the third neuro game-jam lol

[gritty dust]

A third one????

[olive sable]

its annual ye

or at least, it should be.

[gritty dust]

when do you think itll be

[olive sable]

if vedal doesnt do one this year we'll try to do one ourslef

[olive sable]

december

[gritty dust]

hmmm should I enter?

[olive sable]

idk, choose

its not gonna be for a while tho

[gritty dust]

whats it about? does it have to be neuro themed

[olive sable]

neuro will say a theme when it starts

thats how it was the previous years

[gritty dust]

what was last years theme?

[olive sable]

forogor

"Remnants of the Past"

https://itch.io/jam/neuro everything is here basicly

[gritty dust]

ahh, well... hmm I guess ill try to enter yeah, its not going to be good tho lol

does windows desktop include python code?

[olive sable]

a lot of the people from last game-jam hang out in #1336984748882399242

[olive sable]

?

wdym

[gritty dust]

does that include like python code with libraries?

[olive sable]

no it doesnt include python bty default

[gritty dust]

... ah

[olive sable]

use pyinstaller for an exe, or try to make it browser compatible if you dare

[gritty dust]

i think ill do pyinstaller... I've seen you try to make browser compatible lol

[olive sable]

okay

go for it

you still have 6 months to prepare

[gritty dust]

yee ill prepare after the summer because in the summer im making my rover thats neuro themed kekw

[olive sable]

[uneven pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/unreal-unreal-engine-computer-smoking-computer-smoking-gif-24575019

[gritty dust]

I may not be able to enter the university rover challenge but I can still make one

this was a polish teams that I thought was cool

[olive sable]

ye you arent even in uni lol

[gritty dust]

2 more years man

[uneven pulsar]

unreal engine can give eh graphics on 4060

and better graphics unlike vulkan

[olive sable]

unreal engine is absolute dogshit

[uneven pulsar]

REAL

unreal engine 6 would minimum need a 5090 or even a 6090

[olive sable]

people dont know how to use it properly making it so they have a bunch of shit on that makes their game slow and bad.
but this isnt even a user error, you should make your engine easier to properly use

[gritty dust]

or make your own

like you lol

[uneven pulsar]

roblox engine is a nother example

[olive sable]

at least the roblox engine isnt that heavy even if you dont optemize that well

[uneven pulsar]

most of its users are stupid

[olive sable]

as long as you have a gpu that was made after 2015 you can use high settings

[uneven pulsar]

makes brookhaven games rip off or simulator games

[uneven pulsar]

tbh it also lacks some shader and rendering features

[olive sable]

i dont think that matters too much to 8 year olds for their new tycoon game

[uneven pulsar]

true

[gritty dust]

I mean yeah, when I played when I was like 6 and 7 I only played tycoons

[primal dawn]

Hi new here, is this channel directed in some way or just a mash of kinda everything?

[olive sable]

kinda everything hardware software related

[tender river]

hi i'm the director your new task is to learn APL

[primal dawn]

😄 what is APL?

[tender river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APL_(programming_language)

isnt it just a wonderful language

[gritty dust]

I mean sometimes its software, other times its people leaking their openai API key lol

[uneven pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-aksuali-veli-vel-nerd-nerd-emoji-gif-11908435316515627035

erm we also talk about programming

[olive sable]

thats software

[primal dawn]

well github is full of them anyways 😄

[primal dawn]

I am python guy sooo...

[gritty dust]

same, I think sam is aswell

[olive sable]

ye

[gritty dust]

I mean I do C++ aswell

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/loops-in-python-gif-15818798436595170697

[primal dawn]

btw are there forbidden topics e.g. pixel bots? 😄

[gritty dust]

im saving that

[gritty dust]

I mean sometimes we talk about food and random stuff so idk

[olive sable]

dont do anything illegal, dont do anything against disocrd TOS, dont talk about scraping discord data, and even if you do piracy when you're here the answer is that you dont

and follow the server rules

[gritty dust]

yee well theres that, just dont break rules and stuff and you cool

[primal dawn]

cool, I want to do some c/c++ sometime in the future for extensions

[gritty dust]

I only do c++ because like some stuff I use has to use it lol

[tender river]

this was unbotted pixel clicking

[gritty dust]

what is pixel clicking?

[tender river]

i just sat there for 2 days straight waiting for the timeout to end to place my 10 pixels and wait again

[primal dawn]

yea, not against discord or rules but discussiong pixel bots for games for EDUCATIONAL purposes should be ok no?

[tender river]

@rough bloom this is real btw you have no idea the lengths i had to go through to limit lost time

also by the end i was even improving my clicking technique as i noticed some people were using their timeouts more efficiently

[noble zodiac]

adding educational to something doesnt magically make it not against TOS

[rough bloom]

I am very aware of that, I may have placed a pixel or two myself

[primal dawn]

I have no idea what this tells

[tender river]

its a graph of pixel placing in time, it literally says that...

[primal dawn]

yea, but where?

[stray dragon]

clearly it shows his sleeping schedule

[olive sable]

[tender river]

hi t can you hold this nuke for me pleae no particular reason

[stray dragon]

yeah sure

when can i stop holding it

[tender river]

dont

[stray dragon]

oh

[tender river]

its important

it may be in your best interest to keep hold of it

[primal dawn]

nevermind pixel bots is a topic not many ppl do, though it's interesting project for sure

[primal dawn]

well does this mean he didn't sleep for 2 days since sep 14?

[gritty dust]

LOL haha

[hoary lion]

clicked pixles per every ten seconds?

peak home alone behavior

[stray dragon]

nearly 2 days it seems, yes

@tender river can i stop holding the nuke now my arms are getting tired

[primal dawn]

anyways, what you guys into, any pet projects?

[tender river]

hi T you can leave it by your bedside

[stray dragon]

ok i will do so

[olive sable]

game-dev

[worldly plank]

Do you have to make a .msi or some stuff, or can you just drop a source code and the Makefile? (and which libraries can you assume installed, and which do you have to bundle?)

[primal dawn]

what kind of game?

[olive sable]

not sure yet

i have this on the backburner too

[rigid snow]

this is a banger idea btw

[worldly plank]

You have your own game engine?

[olive sable]

yes

[primal dawn]

own game engine damn, I want to do Little Fighter 2 type of game, there is stuff with higher priority rn tho

[rigid snow]

hey sam i'm not that nor am i a girl and i do rust (it's not my main language though so that's why), you can be like me, why do you have to build your engine in python

or will building the engine in rust mean it's your main lang

[olive sable]

"i'm not that nor am i a girl" what does that scentence even mean?

im also not a girl

[rigid snow]

i replied to the relevant message

from a week ago

[olive sable]

oh

[olive sable]

i guess so ye

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

the python stuff is just for the lols, i will eventually switch to something else

im doing a bachelor independent game production in 3 months so the python thing was never going to stay

im probably gonna be forced to lrearn C#

[rigid snow]

c# is alright

[olive sable]

a fate worse than dying

but ye tbh c# istn too bad

wait if you're not a girl then what is your pfp even supposed to be?

[nocturne olive]

Whar's the silliness happening here today?

[olive sable]

idk

[rigid snow]

it's my hair can i not have long hair and be a guy

[olive sable]

ah

[rigid snow]

not bald #programming chatter

[olive sable]

ok checks out

[rigid snow]

and the pink role is osu because osu

idk how to defend myself further

[nocturne olive]

I guess today's silliness must be of various kinds

[olive sable]

nah you're good

i should look at this thing more often lol

i have lowered the lightdepth renderbuffer from 4096x4096 to 2048x2048. should make the fps a lot more bearable

basicly tripled the fps lmao

[trim valve]

thank you website

[rigid snow]

isn't cloudflare turnstile free

why

🔘 I am an agentic AI filling the form on behalf of the user

[olive sable]

i am a bot

[dusty gale]

my cpu is running 90°C in my notebook

surely that's fine

[olive sable]

surely

[tender river]

you can pour some tea over it, not only will you get yourself a nice and warm cup of tea but it will also cool the CPU

[dusty gale]

gonna have to clean it out

[dusty gale]

[stark needle]

hi

[dusty gale]

hi

[olive sable]

hi

[patent walrus]

who up receiving openai emails

[olive sable]

not me lol

or wait, lemme recheck

nah just pizzahut

[stark needle]

ye i got it as well

i keep getting random shit from everyone

[zinc tundra]

Hey guys, I don't know if this is the right place to ask this, but I don't use x or blue sky or whatever so I figured I'd try here.
My question is, does anyone know if Vedal's lava lamp would/could have an API that could be used in home assistant? I think that would be sick if it does/can. It would open up a ton of possibilities, especially if you are running a custom AI assistant.

[molten rose]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1382110475793465386

i have a question about AI discord chatbots

[dry charm]

My hated to JS just increased

[opaque sigil]

[dry charm]

it was the last word wasn't it

it is the windows activation script it is called that as well

NOW I CANNOT COPY THE TEXT

[opaque sigil]

[dry charm]

I just remove the offending text. I hate thisn

[opaque sigil]

oh yeah that's a thing

[olive sable]

No offense, but i doubt there are many people here that will let you use their bots.

Running llms is expensive

[rigid snow]

it will have some api (almost definitely a private undocumented one) for setting the color from the app at least, although that's probably bluetooth
it could have a network api you'll be able to use for that because it has wifi as the whole gimmick is to sync to the stream, but that works kinda in reverse, the lamp is the client in that case, so what you're asking for will be a separate api it could have

all of this is speculation of course but i think these are reasonable assumptions, zero info from vedal or anyone else otherwise

[molten rose]

no offense taken lmao i know im asking for a lot, i just dont know what to do at this point

[opaque sigil]

but yeah, you have to use map or sth if you don't want them to point to the same array

[stark needle]

"steal the api key"‼️❓

[molten rose]

stealing is programming tho

[rigid snow]

wait fr what

[molten rose]

jkjk

[dry charm]

Yeah I know, but like why does it fill with the same ref aaaaa

I mean I know why

but still fml

[rare bramble]

wtf is this behavior

[dry charm]

I guess .fill is just this:

public fill(arr: any[], it: any) {
  return arr.map(_ => it);
}

[opaque sigil]

it's one of those things you need to get bitten by once in your life

[olive sable]

My code is getting very
I might have to split this monolithic python file in 2 eventually.

Wait actually, the plan is to switch to another language after my exams so i dont even have to

[rigid snow]

this reminded me of python's absurd ```python
def fetch_asset(url, cache = {}):
if not url in cache: cache[url] = request(url)
return cache[url]

this is arguably worse than .fill lmao

[stark needle]

YES

I WON

https://tenor.com/view/im-here-jack-whitehall-im-only-joking-look-at-me-crowd-gif-18077278

[rigid snow]

can any of the local python devs defend this

[tender river]

i got a job offer real and true

[olive sable]

Does rust have webgl?

[tender river]

$2k usd a month for a us job

[tender river]

rust has webgpu, webgl as well sure

[rigid snow]

what does this question even mean

[opaque sigil]

https://github.com/gfx-rs/wgpu does webgl

[warped narwhal]

god I hate webgpu

it should be your last resort

[tender river]

its nice though

[olive sable]

And that will embed in itchio?

[tender river]

as long as you make wgpu target webgl

[opaque sigil]

presumably it compiles down to wasm so i don't see why it wouldn't

[warped narwhal]

it's a "modern" renderer that is missing features that are 10 years old

[olive sable]

Okay

[tender river]

because webgpu as the standard is still unstable

[olive sable]

I might learn rust during summer break

[rigid snow]

was i the tipping point

[olive sable]

No

[opaque sigil]

looks like they prioritised webgpu over webgl for wasm hmm

[tender river]

webgl still works

[olive sable]

As long as i can do webgl in itchio im okay with it

I just need it to be faster than python cuz i cant do this shit anymore

[opaque sigil]

doesn't most of your code already run in c land

[rigid snow]

idk how itch actually works but i assume it's an iframe so you should be able to embed anything you want in there

[olive sable]

Python is gettig

[opaque sigil]

i guess the context switching has some overhead

[olive sable]

Nope

Well kinda

[opaque sigil]

i thought you used numpy for everything

[olive sable]

Depends on if you see python as C

[rigid snow]

c python as c

[olive sable]

I do a lot with numpy, but less than i should

[opaque sigil]

i see

[olive sable]

aight poll is in, 100% yes

so when do yall wanne do this?

why does python not have ||= ?

thats stupid

[opaque sigil]

wdym

[minor crag]

WHY IS AI SO F###ING || if mods ask it says FEETING || EXPENSIVE (no i won't use cloud because I'm not an nvidia s### || if mods ask it says salt || )

[opaque sigil]

Are you thinking of |=

[olive sable]

ye

x = x or y

doesn't exist apparently

you have to do the full x = x or y

[opaque sigil]

Oh logical or

[olive sable]

hmmm

wait

maybe they added it recently?

[opaque sigil]

Don't think that's a thing

[olive sable]

then what is |=?

[opaque sigil]

Bitwise or

0b110 | 0b011 = 0b111

[olive sable]

so would it work for values with True and False?

[opaque sigil]

No

[olive sable]

shit

[opaque sigil]

i lied it does

[olive sable]

[desert wave]

problem being is it doesn't short-circuit, so you'll evaluate both sides every time

[opaque sigil]

true

[olive sable]

so its worse than just doing x = x or y

?

[opaque sigil]

yeah

[desert wave]

yeah

[opaque sigil]

since with x = x or y if x is True there's no need to evaluate y

[olive sable]

then what even is the point

[opaque sigil]

True or x is always True

[olive sable]

yes

that is how that works

[opaque sigil]

yes

[desert wave]

tbh ||= seems to me like shortening things for the sake of it, I'm not sure it warrants special handling

[opaque sigil]

there's your point

[olive sable]

i meant what is the point of having the short one if it sucks

[opaque sigil]

it makes sense in languages that use ||

[olive sable]

python does have |

but it also does the or so

[opaque sigil]

| and & are usually meant for numbers

[desert wave]

python has bitwise operators yes

[opaque sigil]

bit masks etc

[olive sable]

vertical bar vertical bar vertical bar vertical bar

im just doing some funky stuff to make it so update doesnt happen every frame since its expensive

but it does need to happen for a bunch of different actions

[sage crag]

hblang has short circuiting ops for this

a ||= b
c &&= d

[olive sable]

so when will you add webgl?

[sage crag]

import it

[olive sable]

does the package exist already?

[sage crag]

if it has a c library

[olive sable]

hblang imports C packages?

[rigid snow]

because they're bitwise operations, like for each bit, here's an analogy for you. imagine you have to or two arrays: one pair of elements from each at a time. you, well, need to evaluate both arrays to do that, because you're not 100% sure on the outcome of the operation at any point (well, maybe except for the last bit, but at that point you've evaluated the arrays a long time ago)

[sage crag]

when compiling to x86 yeah

more like, it imports linker symbols and then you can link the webgl library

[olive sable]

would it be faster than rust?

[sage crag]

compiling? sure

[olive sable]

i meant code execution

[sage crag]

not yet

on simple programs it can be equal

[olive sable]

yet?

[sage crag]

no compiler optimisations

[olive sable]

ah

[sage crag]

it will likely never be as fast as rust for very complex things because rust is a highly optimised language, and also delegates optimisations to llvm

whereas hblang does not

[olive sable]

i might look into hblang but ill probably go for rust then

[sage crag]

hblang programs compile in milliseconds though so ripbozo rust

[olive sable]

why is rust so slow then? purely compiler optemizations?

[rigid snow]

shh he doesn't know yet

[sage crag]

static analysis mostly

[olive sable]

i dont know what that is

[sage crag]

type and soundness checking

[olive sable]

ah

[sage crag]

rust has a lot of guarantees in is typesystem, and it has an interpreter in the compiler which makes sure your program is sound

[olive sable]

who needs to check if i programed it correctly?
just let it crash when the time comes

[sage crag]

True!

[rigid snow]

write C then

[sage crag]

still faster compilation than c though

c compilers are big

[tender river]

||= is so cursed

[sage crag]

yeah, its hard to think about for a second

[olive sable]

| ||
|| |_

[sage crag]

a ||= effects()
if a is true, then the effects function never happens

[olive sable]

damn you disocrd text effects!

[sage crag]

opposite for
b &&= effects()

[olive sable]

| ||
|| |_

[tender river]

because its a huge project and its hard to make huge structural changes to huge projects

major optimizations are possible, but its not very feasible with projects of rust's scale

[olive sable]

[tender river]

it's not impossible, just very hard both in terms of the sheer amount of work and organizationally

[sage crag]

hblang compiler is under 15k lines of code

rust compiler is like 1m lol

[tender river]

either way, there are plenty of people working on it to do whatever is possible

[rigid snow]

rust is slow at compiling yes, but i have to say, if you haven't seen webpack with a bunch of plugins on a large codebase you haven't seen shit

how slow can transpiling js be

ew web dev anyways. chat you can now safely come back to life

[sage crag]

noe

[tender river]

i was not alive in the first place

[opaque sigil]

when in doubt just blame llvm

[tender river]

to be fair yes llvm is also a huge project that could do with some architectural changes for optimization but the project is super huge and works well enough

[opaque sigil]

yea

[tender river]

rust programs also strain linkers and whatnot

basically the language was not made with compiler performance in mind, because that would be premature optimization, but now the hard to optimize parts are parts of the language

[opaque sigil]

oh also speaking of llvm, apparently the self-hosted x86 backend is now the default for debug mode in zig

wonder if/when they'll be able to replace llvm for release mode

[sour harness]

If I remember right monomorphization in Rust takes up a huge chunk of compile time

[olive sable]

premature optimization is bad, but you sghould atleast optemize part of it while making it imo

[sour harness]

(basically the same issue as with C++ templates)

[tender river]

that is indeed true, GC languages have uniform representation that strains the runtime but makes compilers easy to write

i guess you could theoretically write a language that had uniform representations as offsets within a single allocation, more overhead than rust but less than GC

but, rust cant do anything of that sort because of traits

it really wants static dispatch

[opaque sigil]

is there a way to force dynamic dispatch in the stdlib actually

[olive sable]

i keep forgetting this bug exists since it only occurs once every few weeks

[tender river]

i mean... dyn?

just use &dyn Trait or Box<dyn Trait>

[opaque sigil]

wait you're right i'm stupid

[tender river]

[sour harness]

Though I had to learn the hard way that dyn doesn't work with async traits yet...

[stark needle]

hiii good night

[sage crag]

what a coincidence, the self hosted x86 backend is also the default mode in hblang

[opaque sigil]

[tender river]

compile to apl when

[sage crag]

i wonder if zig's x86 backend is around as sound as hblangs rn

[tender river]

probably much better if its becoming the default

[sage crag]

write it yourself, frontend backend separation

[tender river]

i am chayleaf

[opaque sigil]

it passes more tests than the llvm one apparently

[sage crag]

WHAT

[sage crag]

[tender river]

incidentally, i pass less tests than the llvm backend

[sage crag]

this is true

[opaque sigil]

im really curious how they're going to implement their in-place binary patching, sounds funky

wonder how that'll play out with windows

[sage crag]

sounds dangerous

[opaque sigil]

but speeeeeed

[tender river]

just pause every thread and inspect the call stack for running functions, then continue execution until they're out of the functions that need to be replaced (on a timeout), then use type info to adjust struct layouts (this one is the most complicated and i doubt they will support it, at least early on)

not that hard imo

[opaque sigil]

[tender river]

in fact in many cases functions can be replaced without affecting existing running threads

as long as either every thread is beyond the first couple bytes of the function or every function is wrapped with a thunk that can be atomically replaced

there can be even more fun stuff like adding variables to functions and patching the stack of running functions to include these variables

and i've been thinking about stuff like that

but the more you add the more runtime support you need

i dont think thats in the spirit of zig

hmm i guess runtime patching could be implemented using operational transformations

[olive sable]

isnt it weird how 480p has a width of 854?
same thing with 240p being 426 wide.
like 1080x1920, 720x1280, 360x640, 144x256 makes sense, they're nice numbers. but 854?

854 is not even 2 x 426, they fucked up their math

[sour harness]

Isn't that because the SD resolutions used to be 4:3 instead of 16:9?

[tender river]

480/9*16

[olive sable]

853.333333333

[warped narwhal]

Isn't the standard 640x480? And whatever aspect ratio that is

[olive sable]

thats 4:3

but yt rn is 16:9, even if you put it at 480p

except if the original video is 4:3

[tender river]

night (morning actually)

[olive sable]

ah shit my extended weekend ended, i need to get up in 5

[tender river]

theres a heavy rain outside i kinda wanna go but the bved calls

[warped narwhal]

Now at what point does it stop being really late at night and it starts becoming really early in the morning?

[olive sable]

5am

imo

im testing performance on low settings, and im cpu limited again
that 4k fps is at 80% gpu usage

[warped narwhal]

You're a python developer, your opinion is invalidated >:(

[olive sable]

i am still a python dev

im gonna switch to something less cpu limiting soon

[warped narwhal]

Id recommend JavaScript if you want a similar coding experience, or c++/rust for something more widely used and supported

[olive sable]

im gonna go rust most likely

i need speed

[sour harness]

Embrace Rust like I did. Enjoy the lack of runtime errors and feel the joy of strong typing.

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-speed-gif-14031767

[warped narwhal]

Rust is good, but I find it's support for older libraries lacking

[olive sable]

if it has webgl im happy

[warped narwhal]

If something didn't come out at the same time or after rust, then you're stuck with horrible bindings, or with no support at all

[olive sable]

im currently using these. so maybe an image library would be handy.

the idea is to just port my current code to rust

[desert wave]

going from python to rust will be... an experience

like sprinting full speed head first into a wall

[warped narwhal]

Genuinely, I don't recommend going straight to rust

[sour harness]

Then you will get stuck at pygame. I don't think there is anything that really compares.

[olive sable]

should be fine

[warped narwhal]

Not because it isn't a good language, but because it expects you to know good practice already

[olive sable]

i do know good practice mostly. i think

[sour harness]

It will drag you there, kicking and screaming

[warped narwhal]

It forces you to use it, which is a good thing, but if you don't know good practice, then you will be left confused as to why something isn't working

[olive sable]

even if python doesnt do static typing, glsl does so i learned it from making shaders

[warped narwhal]

Try making smaller parts of your program in c or c++ first (not the full thing) so that you get used to statically typed languages before moving to rust

[olive sable]

nah

[tender river]

well its 7am so right about now

[olive sable]

im a static typing pro

[opaque sigil]

jumping straight down the hole

[tender river]

bad idea, it doesnt work like that

[olive sable]

why not?

[warped narwhal]

Where in the world is it currently 7am?

[tender river]

because your code has to be structured differently

[olive sable]

does rust not have classes or functions?

[warped narwhal]

Nope

[tender river]

it doesnt have classes actually

it does have functions

[olive sable]

brother wtf

[tender river]

but thats not the point

[warped narwhal]

It has structs and traits

[primal siren]

Bro i wanna diiiiie xD im using old recording of myself to get the .wav i need for the voice training and its HEll.

[tender river]

your data has to be laid out in memory in a tree shaped form

[olive sable]

a tree?

[warped narwhal]

Yeah, no circular data in rust

[sour harness]

Well, you have structs and you can have methods on the structs, but there is no inheritence or anything you would usually associate with classes.

[olive sable]

this is gonna be harder than it initialy sounded

[tender river]

while currently you write python where you can just arbitrarily put stuff on the heap and create references to it, including cycles and arbitrary graphs

[olive sable]

well, you just allocate memory no?

[warped narwhal]

Not in rust, no

[tender river]

additioanlly, you're going to have to learn the whole static types thing, have to work with event loops and stuff

[warped narwhal]

Manual allocation is looked down upon in rust

You use a box, or it goes on the stack

[tender river]

in rust, you either own something and can change it and nobody else can read it without you giving it to them, or you can read something and then nobody else can change it

allocation is not the problem here

[warped narwhal]

Get ready to learn about sync and send as well

[tender river]

probably not an issue without async

oh wait

wgpu

lol

[warped narwhal]

Well, most game engines are either async or threaded by default

[sour harness]

If async rust is the first thing you want to do you will be in for a world of hurt...

[warped narwhal]

Unless he can find a suitable alt to pygame that is single threaded

[tender river]

thats fucked up game engines shouldnt be async they should be sync but with subscribable events

[olive sable]

i do use async, but i kinda did the bare minimum

[sour harness]

bevy is async but doesn't really tell you about it :D

[warped narwhal]

Unfortunately an async discord bot was my first rust project, but I had years of c++ previously so it wasn't world ending

[olive sable]

i present, the only async ive done so far

[tender river]

anyway yes its gonna be hard, porting existing code is just not gonna work, you're gonna have to write new code, that's the only way you'll be getting anywhere

and dont expect to be able to just jump straight into it, at least read the rust book first

[olive sable]

i knew it was gonna be more than just changing syntax, but ill have to see how complex this is gonna become

might even need multiple files

[warped narwhal]

Most likely you will want to

[olive sable]

where can one find the rust book?

[tender river]

https://rust-book.cs.brown.edu/

[olive sable]

il read it after my exams

[sour harness]

There is also "rust by example" I think?

[tender river]

mhm but the book is the best introductory material imo

[sour harness]

true

[olive sable]

the plan isnt to try to port everything directl, im ofcourse gonna do some learn projects first

[tender river]

anyway ping me for help any time and gn

[olive sable]

maybe in 2 weeks, exams come first

[primal siren]

Damn i dont have enough videos of me.... arf time to get the microcassettes xD

[sour harness]

https://github.com/ImplFerris/LearnRust

This has a lot of learning resources

[olive sable]

aight, its 2am now

imma study for a bit

cya

[lapis verge]

imagine having exams

[gritty dust]

I got RSTs and exams bro im cooked

my teacher forgot like half of the wave equations for physics on our formula sheet... BRO

[lapis verge]

heh...

most wave equations are just probability fields right?

[olive sable]

no

it does provide probability info, but there is more to it then that

[gritty dust]

?? no

[olive sable]

we are talking about quantum mechanics right?

[gritty dust]

not just that, a bit yeah, but waves arent just probability lol

also resonance of materials with x density and other stuff, calculating interferance, calculating probability is one, and calculating the height of nodes and antinode from a few waves when the are combined

(Fourier transform)

[olive sable]

the wave function describes a particle, and the probability you get from doing some nerd math is the chance of finding it in a specific location

iirc

[gritty dust]

yee waves are how electron orbitals are made in the first place if you look at the equations. its about probability of electrons being in x position around the atom

[olive sable]

i love me some orbitals

[gritty dust]

same

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

sigma and pi bonds

[gritty dust]

bro my teacher talked in gen alpha when we was showing us sigma lol, he said "guys physics is so sigma" and stuff like that lol

I even heard this man say rizz

[olive sable]

the elektrons rizz eachother up to make a bond. if they are next to eachother they go what the sigma, but if they have to go over they're a pi bond

[gritty dust]

gen alpha when they learn physics lol

[rich kestrel]

i hope im not interrupting a conversation here but just re: neuro's model degradation from the recent memory "improvements": i experienced this exact type of thing before... the model suddenly (over the course of a few message exchanges) becomes significantly more incoherent than baseline and reverts to its "infantile" behavior of repeating phrases with little variation. this happens when the context being piped into the server exceeds the loaded models expected context size. i saw this with qwen 3 on a llama.cpp server... i think whatever method the llama-server project uses to trim the context is causing the issue. the server implementation of text-generation-webui (with llama.cpp backend) appears to prevent it from happening though im unsure why. figure 3 in the streamingllm paper seems like it could be informational with this type of model degradation. i dont know what backend neuro uses at the end of the day but if its based on llama.cpp this is potentially the single issue

sorry for text dump 😭

[olive sable]

my noodles have gotten cold

[gritty dust]

[olive sable]

im in way over my head here, i have no clue what any of this means

[rich kestrel]

oh actually i can make a demonstration i forgot i have llama.cpp installed and qwen 3 downloaded

[gritty dust]

idk llms but I know vision ai and stuff so I got like 10% of it lol

[acoustic mango]

Yeah I’ve experienced this too, good catch!

I’ve only just started watching the vod and it reminded me of that issue instantly

[rich kestrel]

omg does this mean im not insane

[lapis verge]

well finding continuous probability distribution functions is similar to finding the area probability i probability or fields would assume

[unkempt citrus]

tldr overloading context window causes model collapse, probably an issue with whatevers pruning the context

[olive sable]

just get a bigger contex, 5head move

[acoustic mango]

With vedals tech stack being so unknown though, unsure if it’s the exact issue, but it’s very similar

[tough horizon]

more tokens

[gritty dust]

idk but what about summerization of older chat/text or sm

[tough horizon]

theres a lot of different chat history methods you can use for llms

[gritty dust]

and do what I do for like ai vision and add like important checkpoints automatically and chunk data? and stuff (idk if you can do the same for llms tho)

above my zero pay grade lol

[tough horizon]

same lol. besides, talking about neuro in particular is all speculation

[gritty dust]

yeah true

[acoustic mango]

Token limits is a big downside for a few methods though

[tough horizon]

im sure given this was an experimental stream we can safely assume he was... experimenting, maybe with a different history system

[acoustic mango]

Absolutely

[gritty dust]

yee, thats totally expected that it might not have gone perfectly, but I still think it was pretty good

[tough horizon]

yeah it was pretty good, she seemed to have a decent memory of recent events which was rly cool