programming

[hoary lion]

it is amazing tho

[stark needle]

skipping 9/10 computations

[hoary lion]

java is a good language, ignore the haters

[tender river]

AbstractFactoryBeanSingletonFactorySerializer agrees with you

[uneven pulsar]

yeah the best java programmers i know learned it from minecraf

[opaque wharf]

*Insert image of person skipping stairs here

[hoary lion]

if there is DI, it is good

[uneven pulsar]

why the hate?

[hoary lion]

time to sleep

gn

[uneven pulsar]

sleep well

like i think most of the skilled java devs learned it from minecraf for some reasons

[tender river]

java is well designed for what it is but it also lagged behind a lot on many features so devs had to invent all kinds of abstractions by themselves which led to billions of lines of vaculous boilerplate code

when you show me a java app i do not know where the actual logic is

[uneven pulsar]

oh thats why people use python

😭

[tender river]

all i see is 10 line files with proxies and abstract interafces

[tender river]

well its true that python barely requires any boilerplate

[uneven pulsar]

so java logic is just too confusing

right?

[tender river]

structure, not logic

[uneven pulsar]

yeah that make sense now😭

i think learning a java minecraft command course would maybe do😭

[noble zodiac]

Class AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean

thats why

[tender river]

yep

[faint sandal]

huh that's new

btop shows gpu usage now

[uneven pulsar]

java ugly code structure huh

[hoary lion]

We love oop tho

Clean backend structure from spring boot

Used on python fastapi too

[noble zodiac]

"clean"

[hoary lion]

(Its all DI)

[tender river]

please someone just make algebraic effects a thing

[hoary lion]

Modding 🏛️

[tender river]

why did you send this three times

[uneven pulsar]

idk its just confusing

like e got the best grades from a game

[opaque wharf]

Have been that way for a while now

[uneven pulsar]

anyways

[faint sandal]

it's never shown that for me until this week

[uneven pulsar]

should i know any other thing before starting java?

other than ugly structure

[opaque wharf]

Did you just upgrade to the latest version?

[noble zodiac]

yes, it is also an island

[faint sandal]

and i'm on a rolling release distro

no

[uneven pulsar]

island?

[opaque wharf]

Bruh, how...

[faint sandal]

i update every week at minimum

[opaque wharf]

Or maybe you miss the optional dependency

It will not show without the optional deps

[faint sandal]

i've been using AUR's release

[noble zodiac]

whats your aur wrapper of choice?

[opaque wharf]

The -git version? Because the default repo already provided it

[faint sandal]

actually no that's not even the AUR release

[opaque wharf]

Auto + Aurutils

[faint sandal]

it's directly from arch

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, maybe you missed the optional deps. For me, it needs rocm-smi-lib. Otherwise, it doesn't show gpu usage

[faint sandal]

btop --version
btop version: 1.4.3
Compiled with: g++ (15.1.1)
Configured with: make STATIC= GPU_SUPPORT=true RSMI_STATIC=

[uneven pulsar]

bro i already forgot linux commands and last day i did an exam about it like i had to menorize the comands

we use kali linux more than arch like idk why

and my class loves kali linux for some reasons

[faint sandal]

the official releases do not have GPU support flag turned on

Notice! None of the binaries have GPU support, compile yourself or wait for distribution packages for GPU monitoring support!

so it's whoever recently updated the arch package

[uneven pulsar]

blame the gpu manufacture?

[faint sandal]

what are you talking about

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, and it has been that way for a long while

[uneven pulsar]

you use nvidea or uhh amd?

[faint sandal]

? it doesn't matter

we're talking about a flag in the compile script

[uneven pulsar]

oh ok

[uneven pulsar]

yeah i know

i just wondered

sorry continue

i wont bother you anymore

bye

[faint sandal]

you're fine i'm just confused by the question

[uneven pulsar]

i usually stumble on driver issues

thats why ,and well its about time i change my device

[opaque wharf]

Nah, we just weirded out because I swear that btop on arch has been showing gpu stats for a while, but azaka only notice just now, or our btop somehow differs

That second part is really weird especially

[faint sandal]

i've not changed anything

improvement for older intel devices in the upstream deps perhaps?

[knotty current]

guys does anyone of you poll the gpu for usage or is there a better way and im doing something wrong?

[opaque wharf]

Neither do I, I just install as usual and then notice the optional deps and install that too. When I open it for the first time, its there. I do use btop before but did not notice the opt deps, and it doesn't show gpu usage

[faint sandal]

it had never been there for me

[opaque wharf]

Oh, that could be it

[opaque wharf]

For what purpose do you need the gpu stats?

If you just want to show it on a rice, then polling every once in a while is fine

[knotty current]

it is for a rice

so its fine then

[uneven pulsar]

java```
public static void public static void main (String[] args) {
System.out.print("i");
System.out.print("hate and love");
System.out.print("java");
}

for my first java code it isnt that bad

the public have to be declared 2 times

wow

i wonder how class would go

[opaque wharf]

Who was it that use java here before? Isn't it not needed anymore to declar public static void class and a public static void member named main?

[amber fractal]

[opaque wharf]

Wth is happening on #general-network

[rigid snow]

java isn’t c#, it’s still necessary
also in c# that just wraps your Program.cs into a main method, it’s syntactic sugar basically

[amber fractal]

Usual gen activities it seems

[opaque wharf]

I know it is syntactic sugar. But the same can be said for all syntactic sugar. The point is still that we don't need to explicitly write it that way anymore

[opaque sigil]

java 22 let's you skip the class declaration similar to c# but you still need to declare the main function ig

[opaque wharf]

Ah yes, the main fn is still needed

[stark needle]

I'm sorry what https://wccftech.com/samsung-executives-explains-why-galaxy-s25-edge-lacks-a-silicon-carbon-battery/

ai agent battery

????

[amber fractal]

????

Who's prompting AI for product design, have we lost all thought in our skulls?

[rigid snow]

“we asked claude to optimize the software for battery life”

[opaque wharf]

I already distrust fully AI code without human, even more so for hardware stuff

[noble zodiac]

nono, they put an llm on the phone which then tells you to stop using it to preserve battery

[knotty current]

2 birds with one stone XD

[rigid snow]

and then running the llm locally negates all potential savings from that

[stark needle]

dont worry for that theres the NPU that we are you charging you extra for 😊

[opaque wharf]

I don't mind more device having NPU. It just means making cheaper and cheaper swarm is easier from secondhand phone huehuehue

[tender river]

ai agents, the pinnacle of energy efficiency

i rolled the server back and it's been doing something with the drives for the past couple hours

[ruby timber]

[tender river]

idk what though

the wonders of headless servers

[ruby timber]

Everyone wants more battery but sure let's make a super thin phone nobody asked for

[tender river]

uh oh apparently i cant pay for porkbun with btc anymore

[stark needle]

hi ashhh

ye if u sit on ur phone u break it

how to sell more phones 101

[ruby timber]

Hi shadowww

[ruby timber]

Yeah

It's pretty dumb

[olive sable]

The plane gets instanced for each layer ye

Goodmorning

[stark needle]

Supposedly chatgpt serves 1B searches/day

That's 11574 qps

[thorn ledge]

that's probably more burgers than mcdonalds is selling these days

[stark needle]

this would need an extremely insane amount of compute

[olive sable]

Ngl, i have been frequenting chatgpt more the last few weeks

Mostly because if i search it on google, and google doesnt have a decent answer, i dont bother scrolling if chatgpt will just know it

[stark needle]

Let's say average convo length is ~8192 tokens and gpt outputs 768 tokens and the model is 70B, that'd be 1.25 petaflops. At 45% utilization fp8 on h100, it'd take 16983 h100

And this doesn't account for kv cache

While if it is a 200b model, it'd take 48509 h100s

just for conpute

[olive sable]

Can someone remind me how chatgpt even makes money?

[merry wraith]

Selling tokens maybe

[knotty current]

pro

the basic version is generally considered dumber

[olive sable]

Pro cant be the only income they're using to pay for allat

[knotty current]

idk any other methods since i dont use chatgpt now

[stark needle]

assuming an extremely optimistic contract with h100 for 3$/hr (with SLA, high performance networking, autoscaling costs, etc), that'd be 145527$/hr

or a monthly spending of 108'272'088$

they would need 5.41 million people with a 20$ subscription

and this still doesnt account for all programmatic api calls

• all of the researchers/engineers that demand +250k salaries very likely

• the model training runs which also cost tens of millions

[pine viper]

they don't

they have some revenue streams but not nearly enough to cover all their costs, it's just the classic investor money afaik

eventually they'll have a serious problem

[tender river]

ok i'm tired of letting it do its thing i need to do something nuclear

[maiden geyser]

just found out there's a current leakage in my charger bc i put the cable to my tooth and it felt tingly

[stark needle]

🤤🤤🤤 eating cables✅

[rigid snow]

through exorbitant api pricing of course

why did they rebrand their models to openai

or were the reasoning ones always openai

[sage crag]

mm

[unkempt citrus]

It doesnt

They were 7B loss last year

They expect they won't be profitableuntil125B

Though that foes account for more investment costd

[tender river]

9uojmi9omrjuwe

i think i cant solve the systemd issue without soldering

hhhhhhhhhhh

[olive sable]

[tender river]

you dont understand

i CANT be trusted with hardware

i short circuited my SBCs twice

although i guess i havent short circuited the new one yet and its kinda a rite of passage for my hardware

[olive sable]

[tender river]

well, what can i say

poettering will be directly responsible for the $150 i lose when i ruin my server

time to do it since i dont see any other options

[rough bloom]

what's even the issue? why is soldering something necessary for systemd to work???

[tender river]

wdym this is classic systemd behavior

you want to debug your system but systemd is a monolith so you have to solder to understand whats going on

[rough bloom]

I totally trust that systemd would have some stupid requirement, I just don't know which one it could possibly be

[tender river]

it fails to boot but i'm on linux 6.14 while i need 6.15 (or maybe 6.16) for hdmi and i cant use serial without jumping through billions of hoops (before i did it by having a separate power supply for my drives i think but the power jack broke so now i have to power them from the sbc and when i do that it takes up the entire gpio so i'd either have to find a way to connect all but ~2 wires which does technically sound doable, or solder)

normally i just unlock the drives manually without going through systemd to see whether mounting them fails or what happened uring the previous boot

but when i do it systemd is like "oh so these drives are mounted now cool i should shut down initrd networking and proceed with the boot process"

and if i disable that systemd is like "oh so boot process can't continue, guess i should shut down initrd networking and stop the boot process"

very cool

[rough bloom]

sounds awesome, great init system

yeah I guess you don't have much of a choice except serial then

[tender river]

mhm, the only other choice is installing a linux that supports hdmi on the sd card (or emmc) and debugging from there, and i mean if it had bcachefs drivers i could chroot so it could work, but it would take up so much time

[rough bloom]

if the drives are accessible individually / not part of an array then maybe you can find another power supply that can power at least the boot drive in order to update to Linux 6.15
should be easier than soldering at least

[tender river]

my other experience with systemd has been "ipv6 randomly breaks in systemd-networkd and restarting it is the only way to fix it"

just, not great

[tender river]

they are in an array, but they dont use that much power

the entire server powers off a 35w phone brick

[olive sable]

[tender river]

and the problem isnt finding a power supply but that the power jack on the sata hat broke

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

can't use an ATX power supply?

[tender river]

it does have a molex connector but idk anything about hardware so i cant say if its input or output

either way, dont have a psu

[rough bloom]

if it's booting from an SD card, is the kernel stored on there?
if so, why not update the kernel using another computer?

[tender river]

its not that simple, i have to build the initrd and stuff

and the rootfs has modules for a specific kernel

i cant just put a new kernel on the boot partition and expect it to work magically

[rough bloom]

oh right, loadable kernel modules

[tender river]

i'll try using some wires to connect just vcc and gnd but i dont have much hope

[rough bloom]

I'm out of ideas to fix it with software
have fun soldering, may your $150 SBC survive

[dense cosmos]

today I finally learn what an outer product is

(not the cross product, which is different)

[serene briar]

I heard someone is teaching ai here 🙂

[olive sable]

Kinda

CODE BLUE, GET THE CHART

[tight tinsel]

oo when was the vibe coding path added

[serene briar]

So after looking at both images, I'm just trying to make a simple chatbot

I'm a 1st year college student specialising in Ai/Ml

So I have the basics down

[tight tinsel]

ollama

[serene briar]

Ik what Neutral network is
Types of ai models (seq2seq,Rag,etc)

[serene briar]

Well yea but that's just an interface

[tender river]

got serial but cant get the parameters right

[noble zodiac]

unlucky

[serene briar]

Explain a lil bit pls

Oh also i made a 100M parameters model but it was spewing gibberish, loss was around 0.4, val loss was at 0.043

[stark needle]

sounds suspicious

[serene briar]

Huh?

[stark needle]

was the loss function BCE?

[tender river]

its also possible the uart-usb adapter itself is not good enough, it happens all the time, and i have 3 or 4 of them but only one of them has female wires

i'll try to find soemthing

[serene briar]

nn.crossentropy()

I may have miss-spelled it

[stark needle]

typical causal lm loss is 3.5 down to 0.7

with 100M model having to be at ~3.3 eval loss

roughly

on standard pretraining

[serene briar]

Well for more context i was using 100k conversational data

So that may have caused issues

Like 100k lines

Of question, answer

In CSV format

[tender river]

found a breadboard

this wil lhelp

[serene briar]

You are an ECE engineer?

[tender river]

idk what ece is

[unkempt citrus]

Some one brought it up so I just did a simple edit

[serene briar]

Electronic and communication engineer

[tender river]

yeah totally (i'm doing this whole endeavor so i can avoid soldering do i look like a person who knows their electronics)

[serene briar]

💀

Anyways

[stark needle]

yea either u did something wrong in the model def or you extremely overfit somehow cause such an impossibly low crossentropy on eval while much higher ce on training

[tender river]

the only reason i do hardware stuff is so i can use linux wherever i want, i'm not touching anything else

[serene briar]

I scrapped that whole thing and now I'm starting from scratch for the 17th time

💀

This time I'm going with RAG based model

[unkempt citrus]

Oh hi that's me

[serene briar]

Ello

With this treasure i summon @median edge

Get in here

[bright scaffold]

Hi geniuses

[serene briar]

💀

[bright scaffold]

I have a one big problem

[serene briar]

That does not look good for health

[bright scaffold]

I have a tvbox with android 7.1, rk3228A and wifi chip rtl8189fs

[unkempt citrus]

Number

[bright scaffold]

I need a newer firmware if there is exist, with working wifi and how to install it

[unkempt citrus]

It's easier if you have the full model number

[tender river]

breadboard saves the day as always i have serial now and i can debug this surely it wont take that long

[bright scaffold]

Platform is H313S, name is Allwinner X96Q,

[unkempt citrus]

https://github.com/HungThinhIT/X96Q_AndroidTV_Root_and_Restore_Firmware_Method

https://www.instructables.com/X96-Android-TV-Box-Updating-the-Firmware/

[median edge]

I love this flowchart 🤣

[tender river]

didnt have to solder and now it turns out that systemd was failing due to a 1:30 mount timeout... come on

[opaque wharf]

If it is molex from ATX standard then it is a standard connector with standard connection

[tender river]

that doesnt tell me anything but either way i have serial now so the rest should be "easy"

[opaque wharf]

Welp, standard exists for a reason. It means you can look up which wire should be input or output or vcc or gnd. Same like knowing usb pin numbering alone could tell you its function. Because the usb has standard

[tender river]

however, it doesnt tell you whether usb will give power or take power, or negotiate it, you have to know the device specifics for that

[opaque wharf]

Is does from the connector type. Female or male, type a or b

[tender river]

i know that i can tell what that molex connector is i just dont have to because i have nothing to connect to it

[opaque wharf]

Honestly, any cable will do in a pinch. Just remember that 35W on a 5V means around 7A. So make sure to use a bit extra if you have thin wire

35W on a 12V means around 3A and you can even use the small cable that usb use

[tender river]

sure, any cable will do... as long as you have a way to connect it

[opaque wharf]

If you almost resorted to soldering anyway, why not

[tender river]

lol deadlock

paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain

i wanna go outside i cant stand this, i'll make the server boot the old nixos generation and hope bcachefs is stable enough to handle partial upgrades/downgrades

[serene briar]

You finally showed up 💀

[opaque wharf]

Man, how long does it take for your drive to boot

[tender river]

with a deadlock in kernel code? infinity

[median edge]

Tbf it was like a little bit before 8 when you tried summoning me and I didn't get off work till about 2am so still a bit tired

[serene briar]

Ah ok

[tender river]

nice work systemd, interrupting the mount process

[serene briar]

Ubuntu?

[tender river]

no and thanks god

[serene briar]

Which is is that?

[tender river]

nixos

anyway the server is gonna stay down until i take a break because i can't stand this

[serene briar]

Try running drive repair command

System md stops mounting if some file is corrupted

[opaque wharf]

I am way out of touch with kernel. How do you know it was deadlock?

[tender river]

i assure you i know enough about linux and the boot process

[tender river]

two separate tasks hanging at the same time, isnt it obvious?

[serene briar]

Oh ok , my bad

[tender river]

its fine

[opaque wharf]

Uhh, not really. Form my understanding separate task could hang for different reason at the same time no?

[tender river]

i mean technically yeah but most of the time its gonna be a deadlock

[tight tinsel]

the electric bikes in china are so silent i almost got hit 3 times already just walking to the mall today

[serene briar]

I just use linux to save resources of my laptop so I can use it for "other purposes"

[tender river]

we have the same problem with electric scooters in russia

anyway gtg

[tight tinsel]

i mean it kinda make me have to be more aware of my surroundings but i dont mind that

good tradeoff so i dont suffocate in fumes

[opaque wharf]

I think this is required regardless of walking around vehicle or not

[tight tinsel]

yeah but you would normally hear the bike engine so you kinda know if its moving close to you

with electric bikes they are so silent you wouldnt hear them unless they are like 5 meters from you

not really complaining just sharing what i experienced

[opaque wharf]

On a small road? Yeah, I could see it being a problem

[olive sable]

Oh, you mean motorbikes?

I was thinking like "arent normal bikes also silent?"

Arent electric bikes limited to 25km/h anyways?

[tight tinsel]

not sure what they are in china

[opaque wharf]

Depends on where you live

[tight tinsel]

google says 25 as well

but i doubt anyone is going 25 the roads are so empty today

[olive sable]

I mean, you can go above 25 but the motor stops pushing

[opaque wharf]

I think it has something to do with the vehicle classification

An e-bike is distinct from scooter style motorcycle

[olive sable]

If it can push above 25/hr its officialy a speed pedelec here

Which you need a lisence for

[opaque wharf]

If you mean an electric motorcycle, then they could go higher than 25

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, this. Same here

But then again, my country is not known for law abiding citizen on the street lol

[dense cosmos]

[olive sable]

talking about bikes, my entire street has been closed of cuz the koers needs to pass here

koers doesnt have a word in english apparently, basicly just cycling race

"no parking allowed, world competition"

[opaque wharf]

I have a funny story regarding race. So our country is usually more in a festive mood at night during Ramadhan. Especially the youth. During the night, they usually perform illegal racing and it escalate down from year-to-year. It used to be that they race their car, and when the police become more strict on the crackdown, the next year they race their motorcycle, that also got cracked down. After that, bicycle, and last year it was running competition

All of them illegal as they block the road during midnight without permission

[olive sable]

Illegal running competition

do you have a license for the legs???

[opaque wharf]

I know. And its always crowded too. Like dude, people are crowding like CRAZY

Anything for the thrill I guess. And the bets. Yeah, there's that too

[dense cosmos]

heh, that looks like a little sword

[opaque wharf]

Is the reverse different from inverse?

[dense cosmos]

yeah

[opaque wharf]

Understandable

[dense cosmos]

the geometric product (which is what's being used here) is non-commutative

that is

ab != ba

(this also means there are two inverses, the left and right inverse)

a(a-1r) = 1, (a-1l)a = 1

[opaque wharf]

Man, I have forgotten a lot of the math basics that I know lol

[dense cosmos]

I don't think these are basics

they certainly weren't taught in college

...they are the basics of geometric algebra

which wasn't taught in college, because I didn't do a degree in math

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, I think basic to me is different than other people definition. I consider something fundamental is the basic knowledge before delving further and gaining understanding of higher level concept

[dense cosmos]

I see

I think of things like linear algebra (vectors, matrices) etc to be the basics, even though that might not be appropriate

[opaque wharf]

Nah, that's valid too. Most higher level math concept require a grasp of basic linear algebra

Sometimes things are just the generalization of linear algebra in higher dimension or more dynamic system

[dense cosmos]

this kinda seems like a generalization of it, yeah

[opaque wharf]

A tensor if you will

[dense cosmos]

I'm studying it because I found out through chatgpt about rotors, which are a generalisation of quaternions

I need rotors because I want to mess around with making a 4d game, which involves rotations in 4d space

[opaque wharf]

Ahh, you should see CodeParade devlog

He made 4D golf and non-euclidean game

[dense cosmos]

although, I also want to leave the possibility of going beyond 4 dimensions

yeah, I've seen his devlogs

they're great

I should play those games

[opaque wharf]

Has he open sourced the engine? I think he said that the engine will be open sourced

[dense cosmos]

oh yeah

I might look into that(?)

I was planning on doing ray-marching though

[opaque wharf]

Ray marching on 4D?

[dense cosmos]

XD

I mean, the vector math seems simple enough, just move further in the same direction

use sdfs to determine step size

[opaque wharf]

I know, I could picture it conceptually, but the processing on the GPU...

You will fight the traditional rendering pipeline a lot, much like codeparade lol

[dense cosmos]

I think it's still doing same amount of rays, right? cause ray marching is casting rays per pixel

unlike path tracing

wait, path tracing is also that

except path tracing has bounces and samples

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, path tracing is shooting ray and calculating it's trajectory. Ray marching is sampling point on said ray

[dense cosmos]

there's going to a limitation to the amount of stuff visible on screen at once

[opaque wharf]

So path tracing on 4D will require extra number to count for the added direction, I don't know about ray marching but my guess is its the same since you need to know the ray either way

[dense cosmos]

4d ray is just 4d vector direction + 4d origin

[opaque wharf]

Oh yeah for sure. Higher dimension means more data to describe an object

[dense cosmos]

that and you can only see limited amounts of stuff at any given instant

meaning the player has to move around a lot to build a model of the space

I should probably keep things pretty sparse to make it easier to figure out too

[opaque wharf]

Welp, I can only say good luck lol. Now I wonder, does our cute AI overlord understand the higher dimensional math

After all, their learning is not limited by 3d sensoric perception like ours

[dense cosmos]

I watched a great series on getting an intuition on higher dimensional objects

let me see if I can find it again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwGbHsBAcZ0&pp=ygUkaW50dWl0aXZlbHkgdW5kZXJzdGFuZGluZyA0ZCBvYmplY3Rz

[opaque wharf]

Oh don't worry. I still have my intuition for any weird geometry

[dense cosmos]

this guy finally made me understand how to interpret a terreract

[opaque wharf]

I love physics so I study it as a hobby. And as a side effect, learning a lot non-euclidean geometry and higher dimensional space

I think flatland is even more impactful to grasp the basic from lower dimension. How a 2D being view 3D being

Then there's dichronauts where the minkowski metric signature is -1-1 1 1 (if I remember it right). It means you have 2 spatial dimension and 2 time dimension

[dense cosmos]

for me, the cincher was understanding the stacking of cubes inside each other = depth based projection

[dense cosmos]

2 time dimensions!?

[opaque wharf]

Yep. Mathematically speaking, we usually model physics using 1 time dimension. But nothing stopping us from trying more time dimension lol

[tender river]

got donowalled by an automatic door

[dense cosmos]

I mean... you can kinda project time into a spatial dimension, with constraint of causality... but also, how does causality work across 2 dimensions!?

[opaque wharf]

Huh? Like, physical automatic door? That require you to pay?

[tender river]

wdym pay

just a regular automatic door

[dense cosmos]

"dono"wall

[tender river]

right, anyway it just ignored me

[opaque wharf]

Its... complicated. Here is the author blog explaining it
https://www.gregegan.net/DICHRONAUTS/DICHRONAUTS.html

[dense cosmos]

well I know how I'm spending my late evening

[opaque wharf]

You have to speak friend in elvish

Be careful, its a slippery slope lol. One time you read non-euclidean geometry, next time you know you ended up in random wikipedia article about theory of quantum gravity

[dense cosmos]

why is wikipedia so obtuse

is it because they try to keep everything as compact as possible

or is it because nerds edit the pages to show off their vocabulary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_Wikipedia_is_not_so_great

[tender river]

why is the timeout so particular

and why does it change on every boot

[opaque wharf]

Well, I think its fine as it is because wikipedia are meant to be the starting point. As you read more jargon, you'll get used to internalizing the concept that it even saves cognitive load eventually since a concept can be described by a single word rather than multiple

[dense cosmos]

counter point: if you already know the concept, when are you going to look up the wikipedia article for it

[opaque wharf]

This is the only weird part tbh. The particular timeout is there because it is exactly to prevent a process from running indefinitely on boot and halting everything else

Different component will set their timeout differently, but there is also a default alternative

So if it changes on different boot for the same process, that is weird

[opaque wharf]

Hmm, for me personally I love to read an article over time just to refresh my concept and reassurance

[dense cosmos]

maybe I would have to do that in my thirties

[opaque wharf]

Tbh, I do that just due to sheer amount of distraction that my mind wander into lol

[dense cosmos]

fair

[sage crag]

beep

[dense cosmos]

boop

[sage crag]

wrong

extremely loud incorrect buzzer

[dense cosmos]

[tender river]

FINALLY i managed to get an actual shell that systemd cant take away from me

all it took was passing SYSTEMD_SULOGIN_FORCE=1 to init and waiting for boot to fail

why is linux

[dense cosmos]

so, what... every object has a direction in the time dimensions that it's moving at the same rate?? like, d = (a . t_hat + b . u_hat), such that magnitude of d = 1?

[sage crag]

guy named torvalds:

[desert wave]

hmm yes programming

[tender river]

why is systemd

can i call myself a systemd developer (i contributed like 1 line of code)

[dense cosmos]

sorry, convo started here even if it went offtopic

[tender river]

ok its more than 1 line probably more like 10

[sage crag]

guy named pottering:

[dense cosmos]

but also I don't know about using general for this kek

[opaque wharf]

Isn't that true for any n-dimension? Time is always marching and each object indeed have their own trajectory on the space-time diagram.

[dense cosmos]

also, just learned that d = speed of light, and it's a real thing

[dense cosmos]

I didn't know that objects had a fixed speed that was distributed across the space and time dimensions

[opaque wharf]

On the usual [-3,+1] we just didn't "notice" because there is only a single possible "direction" of time

It is fun to think about lol

[dense cosmos]

yeah

it does slot in nicely with my knowledge of the fact that photons only live on the space dimensions

[opaque wharf]

Now programming a 4D game with that metric is a challenge

[opaque wharf]

Actually, yeah. The dude is trying to program a game in 4D like a madlad, and the tangent lead there lol

It is always fun to think about possible game that also challenge the usual status quo

[dense cosmos]

the idea spawned from me wondering what gravitational lensing might look like for 4d objects

or weird topologies, like the 3-torus

[opaque wharf]

Yep, and I look forward to it

[dense cosmos]

...I might have to do path tracing to see that

so, that part would not be in a game

[opaque wharf]

And here is the CodeParade 4DEngine
https://github.com/HackerPoet/Engine4D

[potent perch]

Uhhhhhhhh

[uneven pulsar]

java```
public class script {

public static void main(String[] args){
    int age=21;
    boolean status=true;
    String name="ekness";
    System.out.println("name: " + name +" status " + status +" age " +age);
}

}

i havent learned any tutorial and i am already figuring out about java

dude its crazy if you know a language you can figure out others

my python and js experience was really something

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that's programming alright. Learn the concept and language is just a matter of "what is it called here"

[nocturne olive]

Hopefully you're not too attached to dynamic types, you won't be finding any of those on Java

[uneven pulsar]

im not

bro i already figure out half of the basics

[nocturne olive]

I personally hate dynamic typed languages

[uneven pulsar]

why

[nocturne olive]

They're really annoying to deal with when functions might not say what their argument types should be or what they return, if anything

Also makes IDE completions basically not work

[uneven pulsar]

this feeling is really awesome

[uneven pulsar]

i see

[opaque wharf]

THIS

[uneven pulsar]

vs code best ide

who uses jetbrians

[opaque wharf]

Python is the worst offender on that list because "typing" is just a suggestion

[uneven pulsar]

like youy can only compile one python file

[nocturne olive]

Never used it, I use full IDEs instead

[opaque wharf]

At least JS is consistent in not having type

[uneven pulsar]

its great

[nocturne olive]

Compile? Python is interpreted

[olive sable]

wdym, i "compile" lots of python files

[uneven pulsar]

yeah but in getbrains comunity edition

it sucks you gotta pay

[nocturne olive]

What?

[opaque wharf]

Hey, it is technically possible using tools like Nuitka

[nocturne olive]

You don't compile Python, you interpret it

The IDE has nothing to do with that, the interpreter works with paths and text files, not compiled binaries

[olive sable]

"compiling" python just means compiling the parts of the interpreter you need, the needed other files, and then running it on the fly afterwards

[rough bloom]

I still prefer statically typed languages but I've kinda accepted that dynamically typed languages can work well too
LSPs solve a lot of the issues with not knowing what types stuff is supposed to be through type inference, and most languages have type annotations that can help enforce stuff
not requiring static types with a known "shape" is really nice sometimes

[olive sable]

besides nuitka or cython, but those arent compiling pure python code, they require extra stuff to set up.

This makes it impossible to modify functions, class definitions or a few other things at runtime like you can in normal Python, but they’re orders of magnitude faster.

[rough bloom]

technically pypy also compiles python code to machine code

[olive sable]

same thing

[rough bloom]

no

pypy AFAIK doesn't really impose any restrictions on what you can do in the Python code

and doesn't only speed up specially designed methods like something like Cython would

[sage crag]

pypy JITs your python code, so basically its converted to python bytecode first and then machine code

[olive sable]

fair, but limited compatebility with cpython extensions

[dense cosmos]

I mean, I think "auto", "var", etc handle the convinience of not having to declare your "super::duper::necessary::type_name"

and being explicit tends to be better for code design, or so I've learnt

[sage crag]

most statically typed languages have implicit typing

its very easy to avoid types entirely in basic programs

[dense cosmos]

hold up let me look up implicit typing again

[rough bloom]

yeah, it's basically compiled in the same way Java code is in the JVM
except by default it completely recompiles from the source code instead of loading bytecode from class files
(though pypy can do that too I think, CPython definitely can, but that one doesn't have a JIT compiler)

[dense cosmos]

ah, it is what I thought it is

[sage crag]

incidentally since hblang now has an x86 backend we can also do this

[opaque wharf]

The NodeJS of python

[sage crag]

most interpreted languages eventually get a JIT

their runtime cost is too high otherwise

luaJIT is a great example

[opaque wharf]

Beware the pipeline lol

[rough bloom]

yeah, having a JIT for languages like that is a kind of a no-brainer
the potential speedup they offer is just insane

[dense cosmos]

I learn that gradual typing exists

immediately find blog post about language author who says it's worse than both static and dynamic typing

[rough bloom]

how
gradual typing is great
it mitigates some of the issues of dynamic typing without being locked into static typing

[dense cosmos]

https://yorickpeterse.com/articles/a-decade-of-developing-a-programming-language/

well, you can read the blog yourself I suppose

I never used it myself

so don't have an opinion to give

found this blog too

[olive sable]

i would love a language where you can start with dynamic typing to prototype, and switch to static for prod

[opaque wharf]

TypeScript

[olive sable]

nevermind

[noble zodiac]

Lisp

[dense cosmos]

The motivation for gradual typing is that you can use a language to prototype your project (or to sketch initial architectures, etc.), then evolve that using the same language into high-quality code with static types. But this is flawed in three ways: the author of the second blog predicted your motivation

[olive sable]

flawed

[rough bloom]

the first blog post did too

The idea behind gradual typing was that it would allow you to build a prototype or simple scripts in a short amount of time using dynamic typing, then over time turn the program into a statically typed program (where beneficial).

[olive sable]

so what exactly is the problem?

[dense cosmos]

https://www.ncameron.org/blog/a-response-to-a-decade-of-developing-a-programming-language/ second post, for those who want to read it

[knotty current]

@olive sable what compiler do u use, i am in need of one

[dense cosmos]

this, apparently

[opaque wharf]

I love that JS isn't even on the table lol

[olive sable]

pygbag, but this doesnt really compile it, it just turns the python file and compiler into an apk for embeding

so it can go in itchio for example

[knotty current]

Sadge

i thought it is somehing like numba, but for whole files

[olive sable]

nope

i dont even use jit

[knotty current]

how do u get 6k fps with no jit

[olive sable]

cuz i make opengl do the heavy lifting

[rough bloom]

what I'm getting from the first blog post so far:

• gradual typing is basically just dynamic typing with benefits ( )
• dynamic typing is bad and unnecessary and should be avoided wherever possible ( )

[opaque wharf]

For those that don't know, JS is designed in just around 10-days

[noble zodiac]

and what a brilliant design that turned out to be

[knotty current]

oh i forgor that the GPU is the one getting cooked not the CPU

[olive sable]

as long as you dont change too much uniform data each frame you wont be cpu python limited

[knotty current]

mhmnotscuffed

also do u have any tips for me before i start getting into graphics programming?

[dense cosmos]

depends, how far along your path are you?

I have some knowledge, but far from an expert

[knotty current]

im confortable reading and writing python, and i can read the docs if i need to

i wont be limited by chatgpt probably

[dense cosmos]

I guess, get comfortable with linear algebra?

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, lisps doesn't fare better either

[knotty current]

i havent got taught that in school yet but i learnt a bit myself

i think i can learn alongside

[dense cosmos]

nice

[knotty current]

im more of a project based learner anyways

[dense cosmos]

aside from that, basic programming stuff will work too, as well as gpu specific knowledge

like being aware of latency between cpu to gpu data transfers

[noble zodiac]

Lisp is a family not a specific language

[knotty current]

i can understand those stuff

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I know that. Its just funny that a variation of it has 5 equality operator

[knotty current]

as well as basic C memory concepts

[olive sable]

uh, idk.
remember to unalocate the storage usage on the gpu after you're done using it.

[dense cosmos]

good luck!

[knotty current]

gpu memory leaks?

[dense cosmos]

or, as a certain friend of mine would say, just let your program crash and let the os/drivers unallocate your data

[tender river]

i dont think its hbvm->x86 though, just hblang->hbvm or hblang->x86

[opaque wharf]

This has the same energy as sleep sort

[olive sable]

ye... not pretty.
even my current build has gpu memory leak

[knotty current]

i will try to keep that in mind

[dense cosmos]

sleep sort?

XD

[opaque wharf]

For each numeric element in an array, sleep for the time equal to the element, and after sleep, add the element to the result array

[knotty current]

also, what could be a good first project for me to try?

i dont think i can allocate three years to make a game engine like Sam XD

[nocturne olive]

I feel like you need to fix those before next game jam
Just like, maybe consider that, it could be a bit useful

[olive sable]

the quick and dirty fix would be ctx.release("all") but this also unallocated my renderbuffer so i cant really use that.
i will just need to loop through each object

[dense cosmos]

it took me like 6 months to go from zero knowledge in programming to making some cool little graphics in opengl with c++

[olive sable]

im 99% sure game-jam 2 has the same issue. the game just doesnt use that much vram so nobody noticed

less than 500mb

[dense cosmos]

500mb is a lot

[olive sable]

nahhhh

[sage crag]

true, but its the same effect

[dense cosmos]

that's a eighth of my total vram

[olive sable]

my brother in christ how do you only have 2GB?

[dense cosmos]

-# sorry got the maths wrong

[olive sable]

does your laptop come from the 90's?

[opaque wharf]

I have iGPU...

[knotty current]

same here ...

[dense cosmos]

4gb graphics card, built the pc back in... 2020? 2019?

[knotty current]

thing gets cooked when i play osu

[olive sable]

so that means you're using the system ram, ie 8+GB

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but the bandwidth is shit

[olive sable]

true

[rough bloom]

keep a list of weak references to all objects with graphics resources that need to be explicitly deallocated, deallocate something when it hasn't been used for a few frames
or just implement __del__

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

[olive sable]

that list already exists lol

[dense cosmos]

what in the

[knotty current]

that formatting

its gonna take me 5 minutes to read that

[dense cosmos]

bro why did you hardcode it sdfkalkdf

[opaque wharf]

Dude made a spreadsheet

[olive sable]

i havent looked at this code in a year, im just now noticing how stupid it is that im doing multiple material classes of the same image

[rough bloom]

that seems to be just for entities, not resources
though I guess it's similar enough that it might not matter

[dense cosmos]

at that point you should've created a Scene object for example

[olive sable]

the entities are linked to their mesh

[dense cosmos]

-# okay i need to go make dinner bye

[olive sable]

each gltfMesh() puts data on the vram

[rough bloom]

I know, that kinda has to be the case, but non-entities might also have meshes or textures
idk the details how your game engine is designed and which features it's supposed to provide

[olive sable]

there isnt really anything else with mesh data afaik

[knotty current]

@olive sable if u dont mind can i play around with your game engine?

[olive sable]

there are other materials tho

sure go ahead

https://github.com/samvanmaele/game-engine

[rough bloom]

I kinda want to implement the resource GC idea now, but I already have work to do

[knotty current]

gah my gpu just died

[olive sable]

wut?

what did you do?

[knotty current]

i launched the game in my browser

my pc couldn't handle it

update this is rediculous

the game is literately updating at a slideshow pace and yet the page says its rendering at 120 fps

my gpu nis at 100%

[olive sable]

ah

ye thats not good

[knotty current]

the game clock is slideshow but the rendering is still doing 120fps

[olive sable]

i have no clue why the fps counter is inacurate in browser btw, i think it has to do with the python code still running even when gpu is still busy

async stuff i guess

[knotty current]

maybe if i run it locally it will be better?

[olive sable]

if your gpu is at 100% i doubt it, but you can try

[knotty current]

also is this a game engine or an actual game?

[olive sable]

mostly a game engine, but i have my test scene and stuff there

[knotty current]

so if i want to import my own it is possible?

[olive sable]

your own what?

[knotty current]

my own scene and models

[olive sable]

it should be

just put in your own gltf files, image files, and entity cords.

[knotty current]

got it thx

[naive burrow]

New study proves that IA thinking is just a very complex patter recognition, rather than true reasoning...
https://youtu.be/fGcfJ9J_Faw

[desert wave]

(still awaiting a study that shows humans have true reasoning)

[olive sable]

(not provable, we dont)

[maiden geyser]

Intel Architecture?

[noble zodiac]

how is this news?

[olive sable]

it isnt

did people not know

?

[rough bloom]

I think most #programming people know
not so sure about the median ChatGPT user

[desert wave]

I know, I'm just tired of seeing this kind of story, or the classic "AI is so bad at thinking, it fails at (some task that humans also frequently fail at)" people need to get their act together

[noble zodiac]

?

[dense cosmos]

The failure is that the flaw remains after scaling the model 10s or thousands of times, or with all the research poured into it

[gritty dust]

Oh hey when did you wake up Sam?

[olive sable]

11am

so 6 hours ago

[gritty dust]

Ah

[olive sable]

almost 7 i guess

[olive sable]

set this to 0 for patato pc's

[gritty dust]

also I finally finally finally finished the c++ side of my code with fancy IK for the robot arm

[knotty current]

thx

darn pygame, no wayland support

[olive sable]

[knotty current]

looks like im building a python library from source XD

[olive sable]

pygame sure is a library to build from source, it has audio, io, and a bunch of other interactions with drivers. im sure there will be no issues

[rough bloom]

they compiled SDL without Wayland support?
also, no XWayland?

[knotty current]

[knotty current]

no, pygame uses SDL2 which has horrible wayland support

[olive sable]

[knotty current]

i have SDL3, and i worked with it on something else

[rough bloom]

oh right, SDL 3 is a thing now

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

weird that they didn't port the driver back to SDL 2

[knotty current]

it sure is a great idea trying to compile at 11 PM

man i really cant touch the compiler after 11PM im going to eep and try again tomorrow

gn chat

[olive sable]

goodnight

[maiden geyser]

bro sent screenshots

[tender river]

@real sierra

isnt this what you were complaining about

[maiden geyser]

oh, he's hacked

poor thing

why is 2500 usdt == 2499$

lul

[real sierra]

yes

this si exactly what i was complaining about

[dense cosmos]

-# wait you were a mod

[real sierra]

[dense cosmos]

anyways, the physics in dichronauts is crazy, this is totally the kind of vibe I want my game to have

like look at this picture:

[fast pagoda]

rtx 4090

is what i see

[dense cosmos]

that light cross is the sun in this world

[fast pagoda]

does that happen irl

i hope so

[dense cosmos]

not in our universe, no

[uneven pulsar]

well honestly java is easy

i still trying to figure out how do i do a while loop

[dense cosmos]

the light is like that because of consequences of turning one space dimension into a "time-like" dimension

[uneven pulsar]

can some one help me with while loop

[stark needle]

no way it's shiro

[uneven pulsar]

i am learning java

my while loop isnt working

[rough bloom]

post while loop

[uneven pulsar]

            System.out.print(age);
            age++;
            if (age>30) {
                System.out.println("current age: "+age);
                break;
            }
            else{
                System.out.println(age);
            }
        }
        for (int score2=50; score2>=100; score1=score2+1){
            System.out.println(score1);
        }```

[maiden geyser]

your indentation is off

[desert wave]

what does age start at, if it's <100 then the loop will never fire, and if it's >100 then it'll get to the first break and stop

[maiden geyser]

also, write it like
```java
code
```

[uneven pulsar]

oh

[rough bloom]

yeah, that while loop makes little sense
it increments age but has age > 100 as a condition
usually you'd want to either decrement age or use age < 100 as the condition

[noble zodiac]

I'm crashing out right now

[sage crag]

crash in

[noble zodiac]

implementing initial values for optional arguments in my lisp somehow results in me having to change elemental Expressions and rewrite a ton of shit

[olive sable]

Im also not vibing with today ngl

[rough bloom]

HW
are you implementing them like Python where they're evaluated as part of the definition or are they evaluated on every call

[gritty dust]

Yeah it feels very depressing, all I see is smoke

[tender river]

rate my json list parsing code in hblang

(json. are extraneous and will be removed later)

[bright scaffold]

Will this work for me? I have a box with fake android 12.1 and real 7.1

[noble zodiac]

the argument list is a list of symbols which in this context is just strings and I saved them in the S-Expr as such. But initial values are in a list itself. So I either have to start parsing it again which is nonsense or I save it all as expressions and type match

[tender river]

languages and rewriting name a better duo

actually in more ways than one

[noble zodiac]

and don't you dare say "just make a macro for it"

[rough bloom]

sounds like the second option then, re-evaluating the default values for the optional arguments on every call
seems inconvenient to implement

[real sierra]

that last for loop will never run will it

[bright scaffold]

but thx so much

[sage crag]

it's definitely something

[stark needle]

bruh

[scarlet arch]

https://i.redd.it/wyppl37bfj5f1.png

God I love Westworld

[tender river]

the entire day has passed and i did get access to a console in initrd but i'm in no way closer to success probably gonna have to leave it overnight, come back to something, leave it for the next day, and then it will be fixed

having no access to my server hurts

how am i gonna talk to my friends smh

i'm slightly worried about the server stability at night since it's only supported by an empty pack of tea

well, now its also supported by an empty coffee jar and a sayodevice

[noble zodiac]

that does sound rather troublesome

[olive sable]

Why even do it like that?

[tender river]

because of the height difference

the way the server is connected to the sata hat requires the sata hat to be upside down to access the gpio

and the drives are quite a bit taller than the server

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

@olive sable shrink your Git repo
it's ~850 MB now, mostly because of a giant apk that got replaced >40 times

also TIL that GitHub doesn't have a hard repo size limit, they just recommend staying under 5 GB and their support will go find you if your repo causes trouble

[olive sable]

Nah

[olive sable]

The apk is the compiled version

[rough bloom]

I know

you aren't supposed to put build artifacts into the repo

that's what GitHub releases are for

[opaque sigil]

Huh I thought there was a hard limit past which you have to use LFS

[stark needle]

brother

[rough bloom]

there is a 100 MiB file size limit, but nothing for the whole repo

[olive sable]

I didnt know that

Interesting

[opaque sigil]

damn

[olive sable]

Whats the harm with me keeping the apk in the thingy tho?

[rough bloom]

your repo will grow

forever

[tender river]

you have to download all the apks when you clone the repo

[rough bloom]

until it's 10 GiB and Git will slow down to a crawl

[olive sable]

Why all of them? Cant you just get the recent one?

[tender river]

no

not if you wanna clone the repo

[olive sable]

Thats stupid

[tender river]

with commit history

[olive sable]

Ah

Just dont get the history

[tender river]

its possible to do a shallow clone but its better to do full clones

[olive sable]

Isnt it too late to remove it now anyways?

[tender river]

since it allows git blame and stuff

[rough bloom]

that makes it impossible to actually work with the repository though

[tender river]

never too late

[opaque sigil]

You can wipe it from the history

[tender river]

git push -f fixes everything

[olive sable]

What does that do?

[tender river]

force push, discarding the remote version in favor of your version no matter the conflicts

[tender river]

its easier to get full history though, git clone vs git clone --depth 1

either way, git's just not made for binary artifacts

in fact it can be argued it's not even made for text but it works well enough

[olive sable]

How tho?

[opaque sigil]

git-filter-repo --path build --invert-paths

this should do the trick i think?

[rough bloom]

If you want to remove it from earlier commits too you can follow this:
https://docs.github.com/en/authentication/keeping-your-account-and-data-secure/removing-sensitive-data-from-a-repository
If you just want the repo to stop growing you can remove the file (and probably the whole build directory) in a new commit and just never re-add it
Ideally it should be in .gitignore too, that way Git won't even show it as an option to add

[tender river]

(ideally do the former since the repo is quite big already)

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

this basically rewrites the entire history and only keeps things that aren't in the build folder

[olive sable]

Okay

Ill so that once im home

I had pizza

[stark needle]

CHAT

[opaque sigil]

you'll have to force push afterwards since you'll end up with an entirely different history

[olive sable]

#ad

[stark needle]

@fast pagoda

[olive sable]

Chat im

[tender river]

m

[olive sable]

Today sucked

[stark needle]

CHAT

WTF

[rough bloom]

[stark needle]

this model is actually insane

it's literally instant

masive wall of text

[rough bloom]

both Flash and Flash-Lite are "only" 200-300 tok/s

[stark needle]

it starts at like 1800 tokens

per sec

then slows down

[rough bloom]

I wonder how this compares to the really speedy providers of normal autoregressive models (Groq, SambaNova, Cerebras)

[olive sable]

1800 is a lor

damn

thats more than my 3090 can do

by 2 orders of magnitude

[opaque sigil]

who could've guessed that parallelisation could speed things up quite a lot

[rough bloom]

okay yeah, Cerebras and SambaNova still crush it
but they're also more expensive and worse quality than Gemini Flash and probably Gemini Diffusion

1B model

[stark needle]

gemini diffusion apparently gonna cost less than flash lite i think

[rough bloom]

yeah, would be weird for it to cost more

since the speed gains come from predicting multiple tokens at once without really needing more compute per token

[hoary lion]

[stark needle]

hyper this model is absolutely godly

[hoary lion]

hi shadowt

[stark needle]

it does diffusion on the full file basically at once

[hoary lion]

[olive sable]

antarctica osage == hyperblaze?????????

[hoary lion]

are we for real

[hoary lion]

you finally noticed??

[rough bloom]

you didn't know ???

[hoary lion]

[olive sable]

i didnt know lmoa

how long has this rebrand been?

[hoary lion]

gemini diffusion?

[stark needle]

ye

[hoary lion]

i wonder how do they allowed arbitary length of generation

[stark needle]

there are details on this page of how the model works but idk if i can share

[hoary lion]

fair

[maiden geyser]

a week i guess

[hoary lion]

2 or 3 days

idk

[stark needle]

will gemini diffusion diffuse me a job application

[olive sable]

surely

[rough bloom]

it's fine, no need to share yet
someone will share it anyway as access to the model expands to a wider group

[hoary lion]

this

[stark needle]

still waiting to gemini robotics

Access

google pls give me gemini robotics access

[hoary lion]

google has robotics?

dam

they finna doing anything

[rough bloom]

from the 3 frames of video that I've seen of Gemini Diffusion it seems to still be somewhat autoregressive?
like, it doesn't try to predict the last tokens of the output first, there seems to be a window of a few tokens ahead of a contiguous chunk of already generated tokens, so I'm speculating that that's also how the model can decide the output length by emitting an end-of-text token
but it might just be a performance optimization to enable KV caching, idk

[hoary lion]

likely block diffusion

or else, it is going to be suppper schizo

and uncontrollable

[rough bloom]

I still need to read that
but yeah, predicting random tokens throughout the entire output sequence seems... difficult

[stark needle]

Ye

[stark needle]

Block diffusion is basically

u generate e.g. 128 pad tokens

Then have the llm diffuse them in 32 steps

So u generate tokens 4x more efficiently

So its basically diffusing on fixed blocks of pad/diffuse tokens

[ruby timber]

the the

[hoary lion]

AR model generate a group of tokens

and then diffusion model fills out the details

half-autoregressive

helps arbitary length of tokens to be generated, instead of fixed padding

anyway....

[stark needle]

You know what would be interesting

Perceptual loss

But on text

[hoary lion]

bwaa

[stark needle]

like

Teach llm to generate text that means the same

Not necessarily perfect 1:1 text

[hoary lion]

seems interesting, but how exactly will it be measured?

all back to CE?

[rough bloom]

ask another LLM to compare the texts and output the loss

[hoary lion]

I suck at making decisions

[stark needle]

Similar to how llm embedding model trained

begin with that

Or wait

Enc dec transformer

wait no

Idk

Would have to think about it

Meanwhile i explode

[rough bloom]

generate similar variations of text from an existing dataset, then just compare embeddings to get the loss?

[stark needle]

[rough bloom]

wait no I'm , you wouldn't need examples for it
but I think the idea should still work, instead of doing per-token loss you get the embedding of the output and compare that to the target

[hoary lion]

Why every single SOTA tts are all llama backbone

[stark needle]

I find it so dumb

That or qwen

Gemma architecture W

[hoary lion]

I should be thinking of my TTS model

🤔

Defo not using llama

Get out

[gritty dust]

What do you guys think, I cleaned my dad's car today

[stray dragon]

multi-token generation lol

[hoary lion]

Should it be AR or non-AR, that's the question

[olive sable]

doxxed again

fingers in the window, text on your house in the mirror

[gritty dust]

Bro how

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

than they appear

[gritty dust]

That text is the text on the side mirror dummy

[rigid snow]

doxxed, you live at "objects in the mirror are closer than they appear"

[gritty dust]

Guys I doxxed my fingers crap

Lol

[hoary lion]

Follow my path of Antarctica

[opaque wharf]

You jest, but wikifeet exists. Who's to say it doesn't exist a wiki for finger

[gritty dust]

[rigid snow]

that's an NA only thing i'm pretty sure

[olive sable]

how is there text in the mirror if its on the side of the mirror?
anyways i was just joking about the doxxing, this time

last time was fr

[gritty dust]

Lol

[rigid snow]

also that's the reflection of the door not the house

[opaque wharf]

Man, looking at the Neuro stream made me think. Being parasocial towards Vtuber, at least the person exists irl. But neuro?

[stark needle]

bwa bwa bwa bwa bwa

[gritty dust]

[stark needle]

[opaque wharf]

Who tf is this

[rigid snow]

reaction spamming

[stark needle]

me

[uneven pulsar]

jova is ez

• some minecraf player

[rigid snow]

literally me

[hoary lion]

The reactions are scary atp

[maiden geyser]

jova is stoopid bc i can't run meincarft

[stark needle]

bwa bwa bwa bwa bwa

[uneven pulsar]

why yall bwawing like those bunies from that nickelodeon show called rabit?

[olive sable]

bwa bwaaa bwaa

[uneven pulsar]

is it supposed to be cute?

[gritty dust]

[uneven pulsar]

what

[gritty dust]

[uneven pulsar]

bro what

[olive sable]

you wouldnt get it

[stark needle]

[olive sable]

[uneven pulsar]

what tha fouck?

[olive sable]

one of us

one of us

[uneven pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-5426180885264703865

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[gritty dust]

one of us one of us

[uneven pulsar]

coo coo crazy -mario 2009

[olive sable]

bro does not get it

[stark needle]

[olive sable]

bwaa

(bwaa is like sadge, but better)

[uneven pulsar]

?????????????? is it an alternive way to say nya?

the fuck?

[uneven pulsar]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh

[olive sable]

do you not see how sad the bwaa is in the emote?

[uneven pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-helps-lil-yachty-with-gif-25712752

make sense now

[maiden geyser]

the joke is bnuuy, sir

[gritty dust]

This

[uneven pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-helps-lil-yachty-with-gif-25712752

it make sense now

[gritty dust]

I did a heart with the ground turkey I'm eating haha

[uneven pulsar]

my set up any rating?

[gritty dust]

6-10 why is the keyboard yellow

[uneven pulsar]

idk it changed to yellow razer rgb software sucks

[gritty dust]

It's a legendary item

Heh

[uneven pulsar]

i wanted to use blue but didn't work out

[olive sable]

its a laptop, and your headphones are hanging on your display which idk how i feel about. the screen feels a bit low too.
6.5/10

[gritty dust]

But actually I'd say 7.5/10 or sm