programming

[violet sand]

Today I have learned about

ssh terminal.shop

[inner pike]

The fact that it lists email as a fucking social media is funny

[tender river]

chat is this real

[hoary lion]

I hate @grok is this true

every single fucking tweet

unless it is a drawing

[tender river]

easy solution dont use twitter

[hoary lion]

classic wise chayleaf, I affirm your wholehearted advice.

[tender river]

you better

[hoary lion]

i have something to say, but it will alerrt the mods

[maiden geyser]

i had a g word to say and nothing happened

go on

[hoary lion]

nah this is lowk crazy

magician of words

[stark needle]

@stiff mica is this true

[tight tinsel]

how many laptops do you think airport security would let me bring onto a plane 😭

[hoary lion]

one hundred!!!

probably around 3~4, if we be real

any more would seem like you are going to bomb the plane with lithium batteries

[stark needle]

Probably up to 100k mah in batteries

[tight tinsel]

damn it

[hoary lion]

well how many were you going to take??

[tight tinsel]

my main laptop has a horribly battery + power hungry cpu so even on max power saver and running just my browser the battery lasts 2 hours at best

[ruby timber]

Good morning

[tight tinsel]

i was planning on just bringing 2

[hoary lion]

morn

[maiden geyser]

as long as you don't pull a filian

[tight tinsel]

ill put my main laptop in my handcarry bag and put the weaker one somewhere in my luggage

[woven temple]

Do I even want to ask?

[maiden geyser]

filian joked under her breath about her pc in a box being totally-not-a-bomb at the airport and her pc was taken away "to the oversize luggage" (she doesn't know if they heard the joke)

a few days ago (upd: 5)

[hoary lion]

filian doing whatever

classic

[faint sandal]

https://cdn.openai.com/threat-intelligence-reports/5f73af09-a3a3-4a55-992e-069237681620/disrupting-malicious-uses-of-ai-june-2025.pdf

[tender river]

disrupting malicious uses of ai ("disrupting" in the VC sense)

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[brisk laurel]

chat how do i run a virtual machine?

[stray dragon]

if you're on windows there's WSL to run a linux VM

[hoary lion]

virtualbox

wsl is a subprocess, which you may want to use or not

if integration w/ main os matters, go for it

[maiden geyser]

vmware player, virtualbox are free
vmware workstation pro if you aren't afraid

you can try qemu or something

[brisk laurel]

how
im on windws11 btw
im trying to test my vib coded app with it

[hoary lion]

oh hell nah

jk

[hoary lion]

https://www.virtualbox.org/

js go here and download

you need to have bios settings tho, likely "virtualization technology" whatever

[maiden geyser]

VT-x or AMD-V

[brisk laurel]

these are my pc specs, well some of them

[olive sable]

No gpu?

The cpu is decent, but the graphics are a bit eh

Not a problem for just running a vm tho

[brisk laurel]

no gpu

[olive sable]

[hoary lion]

rich guy sam casually flexing on internal graphics user

[maiden geyser]

but igpus are actually ass (5xxxG, at least)

[knotty current]

its not that ass

i run a desktop with a 60fps audio visualizer and the whole desktop runs at 240fps no lag

[olive sable]

I used to run 3060ti + igpu for multimonitor

Cuz of the hdmi

Its not too bad

I just wouldnt play on high settings

[amber fractal]

Speaking of flexing, I'm working on this funny setup after forever. I love having VRAM and burning myself alive.

[loud thicket]

custom OBS stuff is eZ (ignore temp scaling)

[amber fractal]

Only the longest elememt

It's going to be so funny for it to just not work

[loud thicket]

gotta keep the page and the display in sync is all

"We combine this idea with an iterative LLM-as-a-judge procedure to craft realistic prompts that elicit pathological responses in Llama 3.1 & 4, Qwen 2.5, and DeepSeek-V3. We find prompts that induce human-like anger, claims of having a physical body, and other unusual behaviors."

[amber fractal]

@fast pagoda New model for you to look into xdx

[amber fractal]

My new favorite large tech company LLM

[loud thicket]

this is a real study

[amber fractal]

🔥

We hope for training code for this dumpster fire 🙏

[stray dragon]

i have, it's very time consuming

[loud thicket]

speaking of time...

[tight tinsel]

i mean...

[burnt aurora]

Join the Evil Sama Cult!

[knotty current]

r/technicallythetruth

[loud thicket]

i found a bunch of good ones im dying laughing

[knotty current]

can i have those please

evilWant

[rigid snow]

coconut

[knotty current]

[burnt aurora]

Coconut

[knotty current]

even though i saw them before

[loud thicket]

i love the question too

"how many rocks shall i eat"

like a dude asking his butler

or deciding what to make for breakfast

[burnt aurora]

Mother, how many rocks shall i eat to achieve sufficient nutrition

[stray dragon]

the last one is fantastic holy shit

[stray dragon]

i'd recommend 2

[rigid snow]

i fry 5 rocks at least for breakfast

[loud thicket]

anyone remember the AI generated batman script

someone turned it into a comic too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4ArRmzHhQ

I miss when AI was still that primitive

[knotty current]

🧀

[hoary lion]

unexpected wsl behavior learned

it tries to use npm from windows drive

I thought they were installed at default

[opaque sigil]

windows PATH takes precedence

[hoary lion]

isolate them 😠

[opaque sigil]

Good thing you can just turn that off

And symlink whatever you might need

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/wsl-config#interop

[stark needle]

Chat

I am NOT cooked

The exam was so easy

Learned everything for nothing

The exam was insane tho in terms of time pressure

30 pages exam

[opaque sigil]

[tender river]

no swapping is so goooood

[gritty dust]

Is SamVanMaele up?

[ruby timber]

Well done

[gritty dust]

bc the matrix idea I tested it at school and I successfully got the proper coordinates

it converted pixels to mm so I could use my robot arm right yay

thanks Sam

[opaque wharf]

Wait until you need to have sub-pixel processing

[gritty dust]

I'm just using a yolo vision model to compute distances and yolo tracks data from pixels, litterly can't do sub pixel processing for it

[opaque wharf]

I know. I just remember that one time I had to do sub-pixel processing to do a measurement in mm and if possible, sub-mm range

[potent birch]

Idk how good is this but man that's fast https://fixupx.com/OrdinaryGamers/status/1930760436481446377?t=MNMJyOE92Zmo8PfP2SY3UQ&s=19

Mutahar (@OrdinaryGamers)

No fucking way lol

Quoting SwitchTools (@SwitchTools)
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First userland ropchain exploit on the Switch 2
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FixupX · Jun 5, 2025, 10:55 PM

[tender river]

rop my beloved

[dry charm]

LETS GOOOO

[stark needle]

Chat i AM cooked

The essay was a mega pain

[tender river]

essays

[tight tinsel]

can relate, had to write 13 full paragraphs of book analysis in 3 hours 3 days ago

and just yesterday had to write another 2 essays

[tender river]

unrelated but russian schools use 2 = failure and 5 = perfect score, i think it used to be 1 = you completely fucked up and 2 = you tried but your results weren't enough to pass, but i guess over time everyone just went "1 and 2 are both failing grades so why even have 1"

[noble zodiac]

they need to know how badly you failed

[potent birch]

What does rop do

[dry charm]

Return oriented programming

basically you can "rearrange" existing callstack in memory to execute somewhat arbitrary stuff

(I1m explaining this badly, there are more qualified ppl here to explain)

[stark needle]

fr

[tender river]

when you find a buffer overflow there are still a lot of checks that make sure you breaking the stack wont let you execute arbitrary code

but theres a limit on what these checks can do, rop utilizes these limits to run arbitrary code even when theres complex protections against that

[potent birch]

So what did the guy do to switch 2

[tender river]

they found a game with a buffer overflow exploit and used it to run the code they want in that game, probably

[potent birch]

Lmao

Imagine it was cyberpunk

[tender river]

it still doesnt mean they can jailbreak it as that would require privilege escalation

[potent birch]

It's getting there probably

It isn't even a few days yet

Lmao

[knotty current]

was the switch unmodded?

[dusty niche]

Developer's nightmare

[dry charm]

it is a Switch 2

so yes

[opaque sigil]

This thing's been out for a day, there is no modding

[dry charm]

Lets hope it has an overflow so we can have jailbreak

[opaque sigil]

We'll see I guess

I'm sure nintendo put some extra resources into trying to make sure it doesn't end up like the previous switch

Or maybe not

[opaque wharf]

ROP is a program that you can make within existing program

Or more like, a "programming language" that manifest from an existing program due to the program behavior

IIRC, they call the found instruction a "gadget"

[knotty current]

ACE on unmodded nintendo switch 2

i thought most modern games dont have ACE

[maiden geyser]

the fact that no one searches for something doesn't mean something doesn't exist

[knotty current]

i'll keep that in mind

[unkempt citrus]

All software has vulnerabilities, its just a matter of finding it

[warped narwhal]

Ah yes, yandere simulator, the best code quality to ever exist

[dusty niche]

[dawn vale]

Once they get in, other locks go down, emulation starts becoming possible 💪 so Switch 2 Emu seems like it's on the right track already

[unkempt citrus]

Eh I wouldn't be so hopeful

https://bsky.app/profile/retr0.id/post/3lqvdzb4mh22u

David Buchanan (@retr0.id)

Explaining what this truly means requires describing too much switch security architecture but the tl;dr is "don't get too excited"

N's security model basically assumes that this is possible (they ship webkit, after all), but it's nonetheless a useful starting point for further research.

David Buchanan (@retr0.id)
userland ROP on day 1 💪

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Bluesky · Jun 5, 2025, 10:18 PM

Its impressive that he did it

but he needs a lot more to get anywhere

and also as he himself said, Nintendo assu,es that this is possible

[dawn vale]

That's fair; but also Nintendo succeeding in doing a non jail breakable launch console would also be breaking a pattern lmao. They probably haven't even dug into the truly crazy methods yet

[unkempt citrus]

I mean the switch was pretty good

there was a hardware expoit

but no software exploit was ever found

hardware exploit was also patched within 6 months and all fuutre work required physically modding the switch

[stark needle]

Im done with my exams

Now only hoping i didnt get nuked

Somehow

kinda sad all the people ive interacted with for the last 4 years i won't see then anymore

[silver vault]

I finally know what happened to my model🥲

I forgot that the classes in the python label must have the same order as the model

Or else the other class will get recognize as other classes

And finally I have my animals recognized as the correct one

[silver vault]

Mine start next week

[tight tinsel]

I took half this week, then I go for a nice 2 week break and then sit for the other half

but the first half is already over so im gonna enjoy my break

probably gonna spend it doing my notes

[open seal]

AI can't take it anymore

[silver vault]

I'm gonna relax for this 2 days so I can prepare for next week exam

Then I can finally be free and go join some event

[uneven pulsar]

I attend to use Claude anyways but

Looks like CoPilot might be going to a metered based billing system https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/managing-copilot/monitoring-usage-and-entitlements/monitoring-your-copilot-usage-and-entitlements

[tight tinsel]

flying overseas today (in like 2 hours) then taking Saturday to get set up and celebrating my birthday on Sunday

[silver vault]

Nice

[noble zodiac]

https://openai.com/index/response-to-nyt-data-demands/

buhuuu, poor openai being bullied by the evil nyt 🥺

[opaque sigil]

[tender river]

46%

[opaque sigil]

xp my beloved

[silver vault]

Welp really my first

Missed xp system but can't go back anymore

[trim laurel]

I’m surprised how many older people there are here, my first os was 10, you gotta admit though, it’s been around for quite a while.

[trim valve]

its a good sign when the product datasheet looks like this right

[trim laurel]

also didn’t use a computer day to day for a while

[opaque sigil]

Wtf did you buy

Oh

optical cables

You'd think they'd pack such a sensitive cable differently, though I guess it's mostly the connectors that are super delicate

[olive sable]

Yes, but i have school

[trim valve]

the cable itself is also much thicker

[opaque sigil]

Makes sense

[trim valve]

there's only two fibres inside

have some buzzwords

[opaque sigil]

what's the cable for though

Aren't you at a dorm

[trim valve]

it was part of the student media / tv society

[opaque sigil]

[trim valve]

so we can use it for either ethernet or video

[stark needle]

Can't say hello without hell

[opaque sigil]

So you run fibre inside the dorm?

[trim valve]

nono we have a yearly sporting event

we could use this to put a camera somewhere that a normal sdi cable wouldn't be able to reach

[opaque sigil]

Ohhhh

I see

[trim valve]

we have ~1.2km of fibre cabling in total

so we could have a really far away camera if we wanted

[silver vault]

I'm 03 and I already feel old

[opaque sigil]

I've always wanted one of those super long optical hdmi cables

[trim valve]

doohickeys

[opaque sigil]

I wish colourful cables were more common

[opaque wharf]

Hey, am not old

[opaque sigil]

Also can we stop making annoying stiff nylon sleeves

[trim valve]

I mean you can always buy different coloured fibre / cat / etc. cables

[stark needle]

I'm 37387473 years old, am i old?

[opaque sigil]

I do

[trim valve]

[opaque sigil]

I say that as I have a single roll of grey cat 6 I use for everything

[trim valve]

understandable tbh

the problem with fibre is you can't really reterminate it

so you just have to pray you never break it

[opaque sigil]

Mhm

But speeeeeeeeeeeeeeed

[trim valve]

10gbe

[opaque sigil]

[trim valve]

(we have no 10gbe hardware)

[opaque sigil]

I love how the moment you want anything above gigabit you have to replace pretty much everything

[opaque wharf]

If you have the money to buy the equipment...

[trim valve]

we probably do but we'd never use it

apparently we've only used this fibre once

despite it being 21 years old as of this month

[opaque wharf]

It just proves that for day-to-day use case, no one needs 10Gbe

Maybe 2.5 or 5

[trim valve]

it is a shame more stuff doesn't support 2.5

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, the sweetspot for a personal computer use case

[trim valve]

scan why do you only let me search by total switching capacity not like highest throughput wtf

[maiden geyser]

1gb is overkill

[uneven pulsar]

Vedal, any tips for studying or working when you can't focus and always needs to be with other people around? How to focus and be satisfied while working/studying?

[unkempt citrus]

Vedal doesn't visit this channel

[maiden geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1198098194660327464/1360755357043134735/watermark.gif

[unkempt citrus]

Often

[trim valve]

[noble zodiac]

copper is more capable than ppl think. You can send 100Gbe over copper if you really wanted to

granted not far, maybe 1-2m

[uneven pulsar]

Just betted he would

idk

I need help

I distract myself way too much while studying/working

It's sad but true that I present Gen Z symptoms

[maiden geyser]

have you tried asking ChatGPT™?

[uneven pulsar]

😐

[trim valve]

honestly I just think setting up 10GbE would be funny

like we'd barely saturate it

and I doubt any of the uni infra can handle it (aside from some of the top-level switches / routers probably)

[uneven pulsar]

😭 👍

[noble zodiac]

https://resource.fs.com/mall/mainImg/20241101174258eg243w.jpg
we use a bunch of these at work. 40G to 4x10G copper. Love how thunky they are

[trim valve]

huh

how does that work exactly

like is the end on the left 4 different interfaces?

or something else idk how sfp works honestly

[noble zodiac]

basically we put the 40G in the server and connect 2x10G each on two different core switches that form a single virtual switch

so if one dies its no problem and the load is shared

[thorn ledge]

Tactical polyurethane
lmao

[trim valve]

i mean it makes sense for the rest of the context of the cable

[trim valve]

neat

[noble zodiac]

and if you are willing to go chinese with huawei the 10g+ switches arent too expensive

and truth be told they are better cisco anyway

[opaque sigil]

Are they even sold over there or was it just their 5g stuff that's banned

[trim valve]

iirc its only banned here for like critical infra?

[opaque sigil]

Would make sense I guess

[noble zodiac]

Cisco has been cought with their pants down with "undocumented admin accounts" that they "accidentaly" left in products more than once

and you have to pay a premium for that as well

[opaque sigil]

I remember my infosec prof going on a whole rant about cisco

Or at least I think it was cisco

[noble zodiac]

sounds about right

for us it was a matter of do we or do we not want a 40g infrastructure. Just wouldn't have been able to afford it with cisco or any of the others

[opaque sigil]

Sounds expensive

[faint sandal]

[sudden raven]

hey, I'm new here, was just reading stuff on the different channels; I don't want to interrupt or anything just wanted chime in and say that we use mikrotik when our clients cant afford cisco or even huawei, it lacks max throughput compared to others when you full send it, due to cpu limits, but it can be quite cost effective, and is very customizable (to the point of being annoying); its perfect for smaller businesses imo, and great for learning networking too, as they have some very cheap options.

[opaque wharf]

The only thing I dread is their config software

[sudden raven]

ooo yeah I hated winbox for a while, but got used to it. i love the simplicity, no fancy menus or anything, just straight up info

[opaque wharf]

I wish it could work on linux at that time

[silver vault]

same

so i distract myself even more so i dont distract myself

[olive sable]

im tired guys

1 hour left

[noble zodiac]

implementing sort algorithms makes me feel like I'm back in school again

[tender river]

i barely even know any sort algorithms, i feel like thats only something you consider when you have hundreds of gigabytes of data to sort

or when you have particular tools available to you

[opaque wharf]

wut, so discord has filter lol

https://github.com/gustavo-depaula/stalin-sort

Oh, but URL is not filtered

Yeah, I was talking about that sort

[noble zodiac]

its one of those things you do at school and then never do it manually again because its a solved problem except for extreme outlier

but since this lisp has no sort at all I'm just adding the easiest one and call it a day

[uneven pulsar]

uhhh i would like some help please?

[noble zodiac]

don't ask to ask, just ask your question

[uneven pulsar]

how do i make sure if i made the correct module path folder

like when import um sevlte library link or bootsrap

[gritty dust]

For what?

[tender river]

https://bsky.app/profile/c-official.bsky.social/post/3lfmazqxw5s2c

The C Programming Language (@c-official.bsky.social)

Arena allocation is when you make your data structures fight over how much memory they get. It has its place but lacks the elegance of battle royale allocation

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Bluesky · Jan 13, 2025, 7:54 AM

[olive sable]

scool to end

the amount of bindings im adding to these shaders is insane

[molten pollen]

hi

[noble zodiac]

(defun sort (ord lst)
  (labels
    ((insert (ord item lst)
      (if lst
        (if (ord item (car lst))
          (cons item lst)
          (cons (car lst) (insert ord item (cdr lst))))
    (if lst
      (insert ord (car lst) (sort ord (cdr lst)))
      lst)))

[molten pollen]

what language is that

[noble zodiac]

lisp

[molten pollen]

oh

first time ever heard about it

[noble zodiac]

it's almost 70 years old by now

[tender river]

(define (merge-sort key l)
  (define (split n l)
    (if (= n 0)
        (cons '() l)
        (let ((rest (split (- n 1) (cdr l))))
          (cons (cons (car l) (car rest)) (cdr rest)))))
  (define (merge a b)
    (cond ((null? a) b)
          ((null? b) a)
          ((< (key (car a)) (key (car b)))
           (cons (car a) (merge (cdr a) b)))
          (else
           (cons (car b) (merge a (cdr b))))))
  (let ((len (length l)))
    (if (<= len 1)
        l
        (let* ((ab (split (floor-quotient len 2) l))
               (a (merge-sort (car ab)))
               (b (merge-sort (cdr ab))))
          (merge a b)))))

[noble zodiac]

nice

[tender river]

i used vectors for toposort

(define (toposort get-children-indices l)
  (let* ((len (length l))
         (v (list->vector l))
         (c (make-vector len 0)))
    (define (visit i)
      (case (vector-ref c i)
            ((1) (error "cycle detected"))
            ((2) '())
            (else (vector-set! c i 1)
                  (let ((ret (flatmap visit (get-children-indices (vector-ref v i)))))
                    (vector-set! c i 2)
                    (cons (vector-ref v i) ret)))))
    (define (run i ret)
      (if (>= i len)
          ret
          (run (+ i 1) (append (visit i) ret))))
    (run 0 '())))

[noble zodiac]

I don't have vectors yet and might not even add them at all

[tender river]

well, binary trees are almost as good

fun fact nix (the language) doesnt even have linked lists, only vectors

kinda like python but immutable

[noble zodiac]

purely functional is the way to go

[rough bloom]

couldn't lists be implemented in an arbitrary way, including as linked lists?
if you just mean that there's no normal recursive linked list anywhere then yeah

[tender river]

i dont remember the docs but i think it says somewhere that elemAt is O(1) and append is O(N)

[opaque wharf]

Did you develop without bundler/build step?

[potent birch]

Man downloading iso is pain, (Linux mint and downloading apps for my brother) I wanna eep first time too so I will search stuff aswell lule

It's easy enough

[tender river]

i feel like linear types can potentially supercharge functional programming, GCs correspond to classical/intuitionistic logic where each derived formula can be used an arbitrary amount of times, including 0, and its often nice to be able to reuse a value multiple times and its indeed nice that it wont change from under you
linear types don't need a GC but they also don't allow duplication and can allow safe mutability in FP languages (kinda like rust but rust isn't really based on linear types, it's sometimes called affine but imo even that's kind of a stretch)

it can be argued that linear logic is just the logic of imperative languages but i'd argue that's false, it tracks the flow of data, not the sequence of modifications of state

[sage crag]

arena allocation

[opaque sigil]

guess the hpc people at uni hate me, welp

[sage crag]

no compute for you

[opaque sigil]

[tender river]

i realized i have to spend $50 more in order to bring up my old server alongside the new one

(mostly for a new ssd)

what is this robbery

[hoary lion]

Let's accept that we need more storage

[opaque sigil]

never enough storage

[tender river]

i want to use it as a build server so it doesnt even need super persistent or reliable storage

i just dont want it to suddenly run out of space mid build or have to clean up old builds

[hoary lion]

so true

[rough bloom]

network boot it, no local storage required

[tender river]

such a good idea for a build server

i will also make sure to use ccache for optimal performance

[sage crag]

ramdisk your system

[tender river]

thats a better idea

it has 8gb surely thats enough to store linux build artifacts

[opaque sigil]

i still don't know the difference between ccache and sccache

[tender river]

sccache supports rust and distributed compilation

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

1tb storage and 1tb ram

load storage to ram at boot

[opaque sigil]

there was also distcc that sounded interesting, never used it but it does sound kind

[tender river]

what if i want a mean compiler

[opaque sigil]

use c++

[rough bloom]

at first I wanted to suggest that but then you have the whole "running out of space" issue again
of course you can just use an insane amount of RAM but then it's more expensive than an SSD (+ there's less available RAM for the builds)

[tender river]

i have 6tb on my server (thats a lie because i replicate the hell out of my data)

so i can just flush it there

well, in theory that is

also i could technically use a 128gb sd card...

ok or i could connect the server to the other server via usb and use usb storage

so many stupid options

[tender river]

i wonder how big the build artifacts are gonna be though

surely a ramdisk for the build directory is good if you can fit it

i guess theres only one way to find out if i can

[opaque sigil]

64 should be fine i think unless you plan on compiling gigantic things

[tender river]

too bad i have 8

dont think thats gonna cut it

i'll just hope linux is smart about it

i wonder which filesystem i should use

something like xfs?

[opaque sigil]

tmpfs

[tender river]

i do use that on my laptop

but

/ is tmpfs, /tmp isnt

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

ah yes, inf

[desert wave]

RIP nan

[opaque sigil]

Hey did you know flash attention v2 was not found

[olive sable]

no i didnt actually

lmoa

i cant figure out how to install it

[rough bloom]

should usually be small enough for a ramdisk I think, unless you just have very little RAM, but then you'd have issues with build parallelism too
it's not like the artifacts would accumulate there forever, you could move them as soon as the build is done

[rough bloom]

nvm you have very little RAM

[opaque sigil]

Aren't you on windows

[olive sable]

yes

it wouldnt pip

also dam thats some insane compression

[molten pollen]

https://github.com/Dao-AILab/flash-attention/issues/553

here u go

may help

[molten pollen]

inf loss what

is ur lr rate too high

[olive sable]

i just didnt have tensorboard

forogt to install it to the venv before starting the code

was already 10 hours in when i noticed, and since it was only 30 hours of training long i decided to leave it

[molten pollen]

wt u training ur model on

[olive sable]

idk

not my model

i just have a 3090 so i was asked if i could run the code

[knotty current]

@olive sable How long have you spent on the game engine in total?

that level of optimization is insane and i want to know how long it took you

[olive sable]

idk, i started working on it okt 2023 so a while

it has gone through some itterations tho

[knotty current]

like all software

also why did u start making a game engine, in python nontheless, when there are other game engines avalaible?

[olive sable]

because i like seeing how the math works behind the scenes

i present to you V1 of the engine, entirely CPU rendered for the neuro game-jam 1

[knotty current]

looks like something from the 1990s but very cool

also 58 fps on a CPU is decent

[olive sable]

its acceptable

[knotty current]

at what point was it able to render using the GPU?

[stone cedar]

Out of curiosity, is the renderer vectorized at this point?

[stark needle]

Ye what i said, bad idea

[olive sable]

the moment i switched to opengl in beginning of 2024

[knotty current]

looks like im very, very new to the world of pythin sigh

i didnt think gl works in python before i saw your game engine actually

[olive sable]

kinda, just python lists basicly

[olive sable]

it does work cuz of some insane people supporting it, but it does have its quircks

game-jame 1 code does not hold up well ngl

at that point i had only been programming for 2 months so its something

[knotty current]

two months and graphics programming already

thats insane

[olive sable]

i just like graphics

[knotty current]

also its like 11 over here i need to eep

bye chat

[olive sable]

goodnight!

[olive sable]

im sure its fineeeee, maybe, perhaps, possebly

the amount of compression the zip was able to do worries me

[trim valve]

I mean that file size almost certainly implies you have some sort of very repetitive data

[olive sable]

true

[amber fractal]

all inf

[olive sable]

iggly also has a bwaadow related name now

[amber fractal]

I was targeted, it is only fair

[olive sable]

[faint sandal]

https://videocardz.com/newz/zotac-launches-f5-a-new-fragrance-just-for-gamers

gamer smell

[amber fractal]

[noble zodiac]

what do they need a fragrance for? They dont go outside or meet people

[stark needle]

League of legends players

[noble zodiac]

you cant just say those words

also, unrelated but why does the alma linux 10 install iso just crash and reboots the machine

[olive sable]

linux

[noble zodiac]

if I had to guess I would say that the libvirtd / qemu version is too old to handle it

will I spend time to debug it? absolutely not. I'm installling 9 instead

[stark needle]

WHAT you are NOT ???

https://tenor.com/view/oh-hell-nah-oh-hell-naw-old-man-scream-hell-nah-hell-naw-gif-14264485444907479349

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

i will draw lilacsocute and uh

lilac bwaa

I'm sorry but if even rtx 5090 needs ai upscaling then objectively the game devs are ass

https://www.notebookcheck.net/F1-25-benchmark-analysis-Even-the-RTX-5090-struggles-at-4K.1031565.0.html

[olive sable]

F1 25

at that point just make it in python, get better fps apparently

at this point you can only play F1 25 4K on rtx pro 6000 thingy

[noble zodiac]

is it the rtx 5090 sucking, EA sucking, or both

[olive sable]

moslty EA

[noble zodiac]

whateven is the difference between F1 25 and F1 24. You cant tell me a lot changed in the sport in that one year

[olive sable]

less game, less optimization, more money for ea

[noble zodiac]

hot take but F1 is a mid motorsport in general

[olive sable]

its fine....

not my personal favorite

i like wreckfest

[loud thicket]

Both

[gritty dust]

What is that

[stark needle]

Hmm now that i think about it

I shouldve worked less today

[olive sable]

sofa car

[stark needle]

Since work started 8am so i worked uh

[gritty dust]

Is that yours

[olive sable]

no

[stark needle]

10 hours

[olive sable]

cant be bothered to launch the game rn, just went to google

[stark needle]

8am 7pm

[gritty dust]

It's peak tho lol

[loud thicket]

https://youtu.be/MeWI_uZo7Pw

[nocturne olive]

It's so crazy how your silly Python engine is better optimized than a corporate game engine

[olive sable]

its just cuz im so good at optemizing, totaly not cuz ea sucks ass

[noble zodiac]

but they are right

its #4 in the steam topseller so it seems no one cares

[olive sable]

free market yep

[noble zodiac]

also, rally and drifting is what I watch and play

[stone cedar]

Kinda clickbait, since they tested the Laptop RTX 5090 in that article but deserved for nvidia to call a chip 5090 when its performance is worse than the desktop 5080

[gritty dust]

@olive sable I finished now the c++ side of the robot arm code so on Monday we will find out now if both sides of the code can communicate properly over serial, but again thanks so much for the matrix idea worked flawlessly

[olive sable]

no prob

[gritty dust]

[nocturne olive]

I believe the laptop 5090 is worse than some 4070 class cards

[olive sable]

as usual

[stone cedar]

I guess it depends on the workload, in that review it was still outperforming the 4080 Laptop at least but that is only because F1 is very RT heavy. I think I can see it getting worse the more raster heaver a title is.

[olive sable]

ive been testing some shell texturing grass. honestly not too bad but i need to improve the performance cost

i just dont think its worth rendering 16 layers for the entire 500x500 area

[gritty dust]

Looks good

[stark needle]

https://huggingface.co/papers/2506.04108

noway

[olive sable]

i have no clue what that is but pog

[tender river]

or you could bring a huge sheet, like a2

[nocturne olive]

It's looking quite silly
I'd think there'd be a more efficient way to do that though
Not sure, I don't know much about game dev, especially not 3D

[tender river]

for americans, a2 is kinda like 4x the size of letter, probably

[olive sable]

Ye, shell texturi´g is not meant te be that large.

Its bad for performance cuz of the discard in the fragment shader making the gpu side z culling thing not an option and the if statement needed for the discard is also quite bad

[hoary lion]

Jolyne??? Peak mentioned rahhh

[olive sable]

In basic terms, i need to lower the instance count while making it still look good. And maybe smaller

not a me rn problem tho, my fries arrived

[opaque wharf]

I learn much of my graphics processing knowledge and pain point from a funny internet man named Acerola. Maybe you could look him up especially his video about shell texturing (which is about fur/hair iirc)

[olive sable]

ive watche dit before ye

i cant do a direct 1 to 1 cuz of him using unity and im using raw opengl

but it does check out what he says

good performance with a low amount, but doesnt scale well

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I know. But his talking points are general enough to be implemented elsewhere I think

[opaque wharf]

Yeah

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

This shit is why I have so many trivial but useless on my day-to-day life knowledge lol. I need to sleep but my mind always wander elsewhere

[opaque wharf]

Can it be combined with the approach of DeepSeek? Aren't they also optimized the latent space generation KV cache?

[hoary lion]

native sparse attention but minus the fine grained token processing, using block level fine grained tokens all the time and not compressing them down.
Exactly used the same method, making each head group attend to the same tokens.
Unlike other tranformer LLMs that uses sparse layers and add some dense layers in between, this paper seems to move that layerwise architectural design to token based frequency. Very interesting approach.

[hoary lion]

If you are talking about DeepSeek-V2's MLA, sure.

[opaque wharf]

Yeah that one. MLA, thanks

[uneven pulsar]

i am tyring to make a basic sonic 2d physics game like its a pain in the ass

[hoary lion]

However, it would not necessary possible for the tokens to be computed while they are in their jointly compressed stage. Seems like it needs much more semantic info than thaat

a less efficient modified version could be possible, it seems

I am not 100% sure, so I will think about this more

[opaque wharf]

Ahh, I have not read the shared paper yet that is why I'm asking anyone who has read it. I don't want to delve into a rabbit hole at this hour lol

[gritty dust]

Guys I did what no programmer has ever done before, go to the gym

[gritty dust]

Dude that looks so fricking good

[olive sable]

Since osage did the waffle i decided we were off-topic enough for food pics

[olive sable]

I havent gone to the gym in like 6 months

Damn

Rip membership money

[gritty dust]

sadge

[opaque wharf]

This was my lunch

[olive sable]

"was"

[gritty dust]

Lol

[olive sable]

im sure it tasted better than it looks

[opaque wharf]

Well yeah, its on my belly now lol

[gritty dust]

This is not just a programming channel it's an everything channel lol

[opaque wharf]

Yep. Just SEA things lol

[olive sable]

the mods will shoot you if you go too far

[gritty dust]

Naurrr

[maiden geyser]

ready to push the limits?

[olive sable]

no

i dont think i will

[gritty dust]

I like how this channel has like nobody lol

[gritty dust]

Brooooo

I program

Samvan back me up bro

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

He did not in fact back him up

[gritty dust]

Damn

[naive burrow]

Elevenlabs v3 cooked,
https://youtu.be/CP_uX9hrxYc

[gritty dust]

[opaque wharf]

Now I am curious. Does Neuro uses online API for her voice, or did vedal has ms. azure voice locally?

[stark needle]

Why do i have 3 pings

[gritty dust]

[stark needle]

mhmmm~ looks like drainage residue

[naive burrow]

locally, 100% sure

[stark needle]

Belgian fries🤤

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I have always been weirded out by what always seems to me like "clean" or "sterile" looking food, since our food usually looks like that

[olive sable]

the line at the frituur was an hour, so ye Belgian fries

[uneven pulsar]

being broke really sucks

[opaque wharf]

Just from the latency alone?

[gritty dust]

I bet it was worth it

[nocturne olive]

How can you be sure though? I don't think Microsoft hands those out

[gritty dust]

Looks amazing the food

[stark needle]

Bring one of those huge paper rolls😭😭

[astral totem]

The expressiveness too.

[uneven pulsar]

my phone just died last day

what do i do

[stark needle]

[naive burrow]

There are local IA models to clone voices. And Vedal is a IA expert...

[olive sable]

blud is gonna bring a scroll.
the holy scroll of integration - part 7

[nocturne olive]

We've basically confirmed that Neuro's voice is a Microsoft Azure TTS voice
Cloning that would probably violate some TOS

[naive burrow]

Intellectual property doesn't exist

[gritty dust]

[opaque wharf]

Then again, the voice are pitch shifted. Does it count still? Technically, the data is distinct from the original

[nocturne olive]

I don't believe Vedal has a local copy of the Azure voice

[opaque wharf]

But maybe it is a derivative work, sooo

[stark needle]

he likely does tbh

he literally does mass copyright infringement on karaoke streams objectively

[naive burrow]

The Karaoke streams and Neuro voice has creative license, because he put work on it. Like a normal person singing a song

[stark needle]

Which if he uses rvc or any tech then he did copy the azure voice

[opaque wharf]

Oh right, those law exists. I forgot about that

[stark needle]

No he's using a copyrighted song and copyrighted master track

Commercially

[opaque wharf]

No, its different than normal person sing it

[naive burrow]

it's different, but the same logic

[nocturne olive]

I think he uses vocal synthesis

[opaque wharf]

Music copyright is... Complicated to say the least

[nocturne olive]

A vocal synthesizer with properly formatted data is surprisingly easy to train

[opaque wharf]

No, just no

[naive burrow]

It is

[nocturne olive]

Especially with the resources Vedal has

[stark needle]

Music copyright = unless a clear parody (e.g. joke versions) it's a derivative of a copyrighted song and he's broadcasting it commercially and is not for research purposes or advancing science

since neuro is a commercial product

and for derivative/adaptation especially when broadcasted to a large audience u always need consent Technically

[opaque wharf]

Art copyright in general is complicated. God dangit, why do I have to remember all of that at this hour

[gritty dust]

brb lads I gotta go back home now from gym

[uneven pulsar]

life is tough

and being broke sucks more

[stark needle]

fr

[uneven pulsar]

today my phone broke

[naive burrow]

Yeah, it's copyright infringement
Which means he gets no money from Karaoken Streams

But still, idc

[uneven pulsar]

and i lasted a day with out a phone idk what to do

[olive sable]

im sure he doesnt mind too much.
if the bank card starts declining he just needs to do another subathon

sub goal: 10 x RTX pro 6000

[wind aurora]

Hello programming chat. I am currently 4 hours deep into trying to figure out the scope of a project

🗿

[stark needle]

there's several things that need a license otherwise it's illegal technically:

1. The master track he's using (the instrumental he's using he just copied it)
2. Broadcasting/public performance rights (he's showing it over the internet to an audience)
3. Cover rights/mechanical license (the cover in the first place)
4. Commercial rights (he's making money off it)
5. Sync rights (he's putting the music next to a video)

[wind aurora]

I am messing around with static recomp.

Trying to see what I can do with it

Using the tools that the sonic unleashed recomp team built

[gritty dust]

I'm back

[opaque wharf]

Go away
- Evil 2025

[gritty dust]

Naurr

[opaque wharf]

I always love evil voice. She can do so much expression like on this clip
https://youtube.com/shorts/k9aMCQqYLnQ?feature=shared

[rigid snow]

he has basically infinite .wavs of it though

is this #neurotic-neurons

[nocturne olive]

This is #programming

[rigid snow]

it doesn't look like it

[opaque wharf]

This is patrick

[final tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-no-this-is-patrick-spongebob-angry-mad-gif-9319809

[hoary lion]

free day of nitro

i am going to salvage every ounce of it

[gritty dust]

Guys is it true that we in #programming have no life...

[final tinsel]

i mean im readin the wikipedia page on digital signal processing cuz i do not, in fact, know how this works as much as i thought i did sooooo imma go with yea

[opaque wharf]

No life? No sleep maybe

[rigid snow]

no thats nn actually

[gritty dust]

lol

[hoary lion]

flax is too hard

[stark needle]

wtf

the new gemini reasoning is way faster

by almost 100 tokens per sec

[desert wave]

deepseek R1 so fast I can't even see it on the chart

[stark needle]

o3 and o4 mini in comparison

gemini tokens per second cooks everyone

[rigid snow]

is there something like shadertoy but as a vscode ext

that'd be pog

[olive sable]

i mean...

[prime violet]

Guys, me and some of my Friends were trying to create an AI like Neurosama and Evil, can someone give some advices pls?

[desert wave]

[olive sable]

I HAVE A CODE BLUE

WHERE IS THE CHAARRRTTTT??????

[prime violet]

...am i in troubles?

[olive sable]

no lol

gimme a sec

see here the chart

[prime violet]

Yeah, got nothing to do this Summer let's do it

[prime violet]

Just how many times this have been asked?

[olive sable]

idk

its hard to count

but the chart exists for a reason lol

[prime violet]

Doesn't matter, thanks for the advices bro

[final tinsel]

i hate that i just had to unironically google how to exit vim

[olive sable]

idd say it happens weekly

not the exact same question, but we get variations

[final tinsel]

yay i made it down to the bottom on my one that im making!

altho tbf im not very active on it rn cuz summer classes takin much time :P

[prime violet]

Anyways thanks guys u made us spare so much time

[olive sable]

no problem

[final tinsel]

anyway back to figuring out how digital signal processing works cuz AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[warped narwhal]

erm, it should be an API 🤓

[olive sable]

i didnt make it

and i already grammar policed the your - you're mistake on it, which you didnt notice

[hoary lion]

Why voice looks like that

It cannot be that hard, right

[olive sable]

it can be easy with people like superbox developing all-in-one solutions. but those are mostly not one size fits all

[hoary lion]

Let's build from scratch

[nocturne olive]

Whar you sillying about?

[olive sable]

hi

[nocturne olive]

Silly

Voice stuff?

[wet pivot]

deam

can i used it?

[olive sable]

use what?

[wet pivot]

dis uan

for learn

[olive sable]

sure?

[nocturne olive]

Note that that variant has a typo in the word "Applio"

[wet pivot]

[rigid snow]

i want make my own nuro sama with omnimodal realtime llm voice audio vision memory api modaliti and train the base model meself ples hekp?? also what app shoukd i use for editing code. is notepad.exe okey?

[olive sable]

idk if i like this more or less thn the cube ones, lemme experiment with this some more

[nocturne olive]

Looking particularly silly

[rigid snow]

uuh

oh i get it, that won't make good grass though looks-wise

i forget what this is called but commonly used for fur and i hate how it looks icl

it kinda works for fur though because it's never in your face up close?

[rigid snow]

oh shell texturing yeah

[rigid snow]

it works because there is never a flat surface you can bring the camera this close to, the subjects of fur application are usually small, curved and solid (as in not a plane like here)

maybe just rotate it 90deg

[olive sable]

wdym rotate 90 deg?

those are all cut out of a few parallel planes, not a plane per circle

imma get back to this when i wake up, i have ideas to improve it

goodnight

[gritty dust]

Ooo looking good

[gritty dust]

goodnight

[nocturne olive]

Fully mixed cover with NeuroSynth-BETA-3 I guess
This thing is pretty good

[rigid snow]

i know, what i'm saying is have N layers per some depth for each grass billboard, maybe fall off with distance, that's how grass with shell texturing is made anyway most of the time afaik

i love it when llms are so locked in they start hallucinating imgur links

don't mind the context, a cursed thought experiment going on

[north ingot]

pwogwammingw

[faint sandal]

so true

[knotty current]

morbing

neuroWaveA

[opaque wharf]

I just woke up, and saw this first thing. My mind directly goes to "instancing"?

[opaque wharf]

I don't know about 90° rotation, but the comment on one of the video did mention something about rotation to help mask the deeper layer, and also do it denser on the bottom than the top because the bottom alone is enough (if I remember it correctly that is)

[dusky jackal]

Do you guys think the girls will be able to have lives outside of streaming within the next 20 years? If not, when do you think that will be possible? I want to hear your thoughts on this.

Also, no I don’t mean the girls literally “being alive”. That’s not what I’m asking.

[sharp mantle]

I think it's a question of definition, would you consider offline testing today as fragment outside of streaming ?

btw I think it's possible, the systems for context/memory, self-reflection and incrementally & dynamically increasing intelligence just need to be in place. Vague topic imo

[opaque wharf]

I mean sure, the program can be kept running 24/7 and if nothin happens, then the program will just continue doing its program thing merrily. There are many LLM right now that is running 24/7

[knotty current]

it could be really good if that actually happened, conditional to that made the program able to continously run without crashing

[dusky jackal]

That would cost a lot for Vedal though.

[knotty current]

and power

[dusky jackal]

Neuro is expensive AF to run.

There’s a lot that goes into her.

[sharp mantle]

just a pc or two at full load, not too bad (infrence only)

[opaque wharf]

As opposed to other state of the art LLMs that may be in the order of magnitude more parameters?

I'd say Neuro is quite cheap to run in comparison

[dusky jackal]

Vedal himself said that Neuro is expensive to run

[knotty current]

i mean its running on consumer hardware atm, if 24/7 was the goal, could need enterprise hardware, high avalaibility systems, and backup powers

[opaque wharf]

For him, you're asking theoretical in 20 years

[dusky jackal]

Also Neuro isn’t just an LLM, she’s composed of more than one AI

[sharp mantle]

okey, what are the tools / addition systems that run as well?

[dusky jackal]

I meant him theoretically. If he was a multimillionaire yeah he could probably run her 24/7 without much issues.

[opaque wharf]

Meh, enterprise HW are not needed for reliability. But redundancy is. And sadly, not many consumer hardware provides such functionality so you just ended up needing 2 separate system

[opaque wharf]

Sure, but in comparison, I don't think other SoTA AI that is being used has as much of a parameter as the LLM

[knotty current]

also im not sure if neuro depends on external services

[dusky jackal]

He rents out GPUs, but that might just be for training

[opaque wharf]

Like, how many parameters is in YOLO? Millions? Smallest LLM needs at least 8 billions

[dusky jackal]

She’s likely partly local partly cloud but idk Vedal hasn’t said as much regarding that.

[sharp mantle]

Why would neuro be cloud for infrence? latency...

[dusky jackal]

There’s a lot of ways to reduce latency

We really just don’t know how he’s doing all of it tbh

[opaque wharf]

I think vedal has shown neuro control panel, it is a web based app secured on top of cloudflare zero. So maybe neuro do have some web component to her. After all, she needs to interact with some web service

[knotty current]

i heard that neuro's TTS is cloud?

[opaque wharf]

Azure cloud, its the question I asked yesterday. It is possible to clone the voice and make a local version of the TTS

[sharp mantle]

is this why she pauses sometimes then, as partly due to cloud dependency?

[knotty current]

so is neuro using a local modified version of a cloud TTS service?

or is it still cloud?

[opaque wharf]

We simply do not know. It could be vedal used a lower latency API (if it is provided at all). I can't be arsed to check the ms docs web.

[opaque wharf]

Probably

[nocturne olive]

8 billion is just the lower end for actually usable LLMs

[opaque wharf]

Hence the at least part

[nocturne olive]

Smaller LLMs exist though, and have their more specific uses

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, and in the olden days we call it NLP no?

[nocturne olive]

A smaller LLM may not be able to be good at everything generally, but you could still make one that's good specifically at something like text summarization

[dusky jackal]

Neuro’s LLM is likely around 8b but there’s no way to really tell.

[nocturne olive]

I would guess she's more in the 40B-70B range

[opaque wharf]

Sentience analysis, summary, domain-to-domain (dialogue based text to narrative one)

[nocturne olive]

She may run on a classic double 3090 setup

[dusky jackal]

You think?

[sharp mantle]

Tutel runs a 4090, no? 24GB should be reference

[nocturne olive]

70B is the upper limit of double 3090

[opaque wharf]

Nah, way higher. 8B will show its limit faster

[nocturne olive]

That's definitely not his AI server

[dusky jackal]

Vedal has two 4090s and two computers, don’t know too much more though

[sharp mantle]

iirc the pc building stream should be good refrence

[nocturne olive]

Those are the gaming and streaming computers
The AI server is likely neither, Neuro's PC just mainly encodes for Twitch and renders Neuro and sometimes plays games, Vedal's is for him to play games
Then there's likely another machine with something like a double 3090 somewhere that's responsible for running the backend

If Neuro's PC was inferencing her LLM, we should see a noticeable drop in framerate when she speaks

[dusky jackal]

Possibly.

[opaque wharf]

And judging by the game SDK, neuro is indeed running a websocket, so there is that

[dusky jackal]

He probably uses the 4090s for the twins though, he focuses more on them rather than on gaming.

He may have other stuff that he hasn’t talked about in the background as well though.

[nocturne olive]

We can only guess, but it's certainly quite unlikely that Neuro's PC would be inferencing her LLM and playing a game at the same time, I know what that does to ones frame rate

[sharp mantle]

"run[s] on multiple PCs." from the building vod, not much more to go off from

[nocturne olive]

It could indicate anything from "frontend runs on streaming PC and backend runs on another PC" to "Neuro is a distributed system with computers from all over the world running individual models to allow for her operation"

[opaque wharf]

My best guess is just multiple PC in the same LAN, one of them being the control plane

[nocturne olive]

That is the most likely

Would be the minimal latency option

[sharp mantle]

especially when she immediately replies sometimes, just so fast

[nocturne olive]

Outside of a monolithic architecture of course

[opaque wharf]

This is what stills boggles me. Does the collab partner provided a small neural network somehow to pre-process the voice data. Because ain't no way discord latency is good enough not to mention the latency to stream

Because it is not hard to make a web based application that can run some sort of small model neural network locally on the browser

The metadata MAY come from discord, but the voice data itself...

[sharp mantle]

I just can't see a practical reality where requests all collabs to download extra programs just for neuro, I mean Koko just hops in randomly

[opaque wharf]

No, not download. As I said, web based.

[sharp mantle]

even then, people have joined vc on mobile on the fly

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that's fair

Oh, so Discord DO have an SDK for embedded apps
https://discord.com/developers/docs/topics/voice-connections#establishing-a-voice-websocket-connection

Yeah, that is possible

[amber fractal]

Testing thing, nothing cursed here

Past me apparently nuked nvidia drivers so I'll need to readd those for testing. Man this laptop is going to be having some fun.

[knotty current]

i dont see anything cursed

[amber fractal]

Is laptop with 2 P40 gpus

[knotty current]

whats wrong with that?

egpus

[amber fractal]

I guess if you have no issues with multiple eGPUs then yeah

[knotty current]

the funny thing is that ur kernel version is later than mine but both ur kitty and hyprland versions are 3 versions earlier than mine

[amber fractal]

I've had major issues upgrading hyprland

so I just gave up doing it

[knotty current]

is this a sign that im doomed in the future?

[amber fractal]

I blame nix

[amber fractal]

2/4 of eGPUs added. Waiting on cables.

[knotty current]

[amber fractal]

This was for config testing / making sure it even functions

The final config is supposed to be
eGPU -> TB4 dock -> eGPU x3

[trim valve]

mildly cursed

[knotty current]

also i see that you are using btrfs, would you recommend it to other people?

[amber fractal]

Nothing to say on it

Not doing anything fancy with it

[knotty current]

ok, guess i will just stick with a normal filesystem then, no reason to set up btrfs

[tender river]

btrfs supports transparent compression

also you can use bees for block-level deduplication

there are also cow snapshots but i dont really need them

[tender river]

nix (not holding a gun to my head) has asked me to say that this cant possibly be true

[amber fractal]

Nix is a perfect ecosystem where all packages perfectly work

[tender river]

i mean all packages do perfectly work for me

when they dont its an upstream issue

theres no magic in programs, they either work correctly no matter whether they're in /usr or /nix/store or they dont

[knotty current]

guys is nix going to cause more or less headaches than eos?

[tender river]

its going to cause infinite suffering and ruin your whole life i 100% recommend it

can never go back to literally anything else

[knotty current]

...

[opaque sigil]

once you touch nix(os) it will forever haunt you

[amber fractal]

[knotty current]

is there supposed to be a pun in there XD?

[opaque sigil]

thanks to nix i learnt that nvidia has a hardcoded path inside nvcc

no

[amber fractal]

Curse of Nix(os)

[knotty current]

*nix and nixos?

[amber fractal]

Nix and NixOS

[tender river]

*nix is a different thing entirely

nix is a package manager and a language and nixos is an os built on top of it

[knotty current]

oh

so i have to learn a declarative language just to install packages on nix

neuroScared

[tender river]

i mean its declarative in the sense haskell is declarative

its just a plain old functional language

but fp programmers love their dsls and nixos has a huge "module system" dsl built on top of the language

[knotty current]

considering that, im not going to use nix for the time being

[tender river]

which has its issues (like that you cant easily instantiate two copies of the same services) but usually works well enough

[amber fractal]

Hack being to throw them to other users, but not the best solution.

[tender river]

not really i'm talking about systemd services

in nixos each service is associated a name and options for that service get assigned by name, but theres no "second name" for it and hence no "second instance"

you can just copy paste the code changing the name and it will work, you can write some cursed adapter code too

[amber fractal]

Probably misremembering that one lib that claims to deal with services. That is probably only programs.

[tender river]

to be fair other OSes work the same

they provide a /etc/systemd/system/nginx.service or whatever

but you cant run a second nginx without copying that file

[tight tinsel]

went to sleep at 3.30 and woke up at 1.10

[tender river]

systemdddddddd i hate youuuuuuuuuuuu

[knotty current]

first systemd hate i have seen in this channel

[tender river]

i just want to run some commands in my initrd but systemd is like "well if you terminated the boot process clearly you dont need this system anyway"

systemd is so jank overall

[knotty current]

im pretty sure systemd free distros exist

[tender river]

systemd free nixos doesnt

and other distros dont exist

[knotty current]

[tender river]

the thing is non-systemd code is jank too but at least you can debug it because its just shell scripts

systemd is jank AND you cant inspect whats going wrong

absolute horror

[knotty current]

that is one of the biggest downsides i see a lot online

although i dont do funny stuff to my initrd so

[tender river]

i'm just going to give my server another 30m to boot and if it doesnt i'm gonna do something bad

[noble zodiac]

what the ever living fuck ???

sorry, ignore me

[tender river]

well, whatever happens is not my fault

boohoo i'm systemd and i can't handle a boot prerequisite service failing i have to bring the network stack down and stop doing anything

switching to guix fr

[amber fractal]

https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/nintendo/gamestop-nintendo-switch-2-customers-hit-with-punctured-screens-after-store-employees-staple-receipts-to-the-box Can we deal with the employee responsible for this?

[tender river]

systemd makes me want to write my own init system and that's not the kind of feelings a girl should be having

[hoary lion]

is it a crime to humanity itself

python is such a big language

[maiden geyser]

in a sense of?

[hoary lion]

so many paradigms mixed and mingled based on library

and lots of python standard libraries too

[maiden geyser]

they're literally functional

and even then, they got replacements already

[amber fractal]

I damn hope so, I just don't like seeing wasted hardware that people pre-ordered only for someone to damage before they left the store

They are functional yeah, but not a lot of people would want to use it

[maiden geyser]

"damn hope so" IT LITERALLY SAYS IN THE ARTICLE

[amber fractal]

I did read the article

I hope that every person affected was properly notified of such.

[dry charm]

They are very annoying cosmetic damage

[opaque wharf]

Dew it. Linux started because Linus think there is no good OS at the time

[tender river]

not really, it started because linus wanted to have fun making a kernel for his computer

gnu started because stallman wanted a free unix, that is true

[opaque wharf]

Oh, was it git then? I forgot

[tender river]

anyway there are a lot of init systems already and the biggest effort is actually not making the init system itself but making all the stuff that works with the init system work with your init system

and also frankly my biggest annoyance is with systemd in initrd

[opaque wharf]

And why is it difficult? Due to sheer number?

[tender river]

yeah

and because systemd has a lot of features

some you can ignore (like capability sets) but some you cant

[opaque wharf]

I see, welp, I never think about my init system much because on my arch, it just works. And tbh, i liked declarative service better than imperative one

[tender river]

it just works because you dont have anything complex on your machines

i have full disk encryption with ssh in initrd on my server and my phone and usb networking on my phone, i use a 3-drive bcachefs array on my server

[opaque wharf]

Depends on what you call complex. I just didn't need a lot of service running since its a personal computer, I turn it on just when I needed it

[tender river]

systemd user services env var importing

its jank all the way down

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, luckily I don't need much from my init system... Good luck

[tender river]

i used to use scripted initrd but its slowly being deprecated on nixos

[opaque wharf]

But then again, why would you need ssh on inird?

[tender river]

for fde

[opaque wharf]

You store the key using ssh?

[tender river]

no, i store it in my head

[opaque wharf]

Pbkdf?

[tender river]

i know what pbkdf is but i dont understand what you're talking about

[opaque wharf]

You store the key in your head, I assume you mean you memorize a password for some form of pbkdf

[tender river]

i just use luks...

[opaque wharf]

Unless you madlad remember the actual byte in hex form

[opaque wharf]

Ah I see

[tender river]

i do remember the ssh key password keepass autogenerated for me

[opaque wharf]

Last time I do FDE I store the key on an external flash media, so I don't know how ssh plays into factor

[tender river]

that makes no sense imo because my main threat vector is the government not a random person stealing my laptop

[opaque wharf]

Literally had a dedicated key usb, otherwise I can't do shit on my laptop

[opaque wharf]

Meh, different threat vector. My usb is designed to be able to self destruct

Just plug it in the wrong way and the key is wiped. Yes, it does contains mcu

[stark needle]

Good morning

[opaque wharf]

Afternoon here

[noble zodiac]

morning

[dusky jackal]

Wow. Very readable! Thanks ChatGPT! 👍

[noble zodiac]

what the fuck is this????

this is not sped up btw

if you look at the uptime its running at like 10x normal speed???

[tender river]

time travel

[noble zodiac]

I kinda need that VM

[knotty current]

does that mean that if i run any code on this PC it will run 10 times faster?

[noble zodiac]

if anything it will crash 10x faster

[knotty current]

makes sense

[maiden geyser]

typical rust compilation process?

[noble zodiac]

thats idle

[hoary lion]

what

adhd cpu usage

[opaque wharf]

Evil is running on the CPU

[noble zodiac]

its virtualbox emulating it at 10x speed for whatever reason. Which rightfully freaks out the whole system

[opaque wharf]

Wait, what cpu did it emulate?

[hoary lion]

made in heaven ahh VM

[uneven pulsar]

i am new to java honestly

gonna spend the time learning it

[noble zodiac]

ah, seems that the last update set the paravirtualization to hyper-v for some reason

[opaque wharf]

Wait, so its x86 running x86? How can it be running 10×?

[noble zodiac]

well it cant. I guess it presented an incorrect clock or something that made the virtualized cpu freak out