programming

[tender river]

i flashed the new server

small issue

the old server's heatsinks cant exactly be easily transferred to the new one

better ventilation

[vapid cosmos]

*doesn't enjoy stay

😲

[vapid cosmos]

ive been mogged, rip

[tender river]

r

[vapid cosmos]

do you have a license for that? that letter?

[tender river]

no

[vapid cosmos]

well, here. ill give u one gives

np

[tender river]

but i refuse

[vapid cosmos]

😲

[tender river]

holy, the server has immediately put that ram to good use

well, it will hopefully need less cooling now anyway since it wont have to swap every 2 microseconds

[sage crag]

server eating

[tender river]

the fact this used to run on an 8gb board should hopefully explain the 230gb swap (but also i just had an extra ssd lying around)

now i want to expropriate the ssd and make the old 8gb board my ci or something

both the ram upgrade and the extra compute are long overdue with how much stuff i patch but my money

actually redis is eating 10% of that ram wow

[sage crag]

it does not

ludicrous swap

[tender river]

got it make 1tb swap next

[tender river]

all because of ai crawlers scraping my git hosting

i will add anubis after the next nixpkgs update

[sage crag]

anubis

[sage crag]

btw it looks like there is a serious problem with the output of the hasher on both hbvm and x86

[tender river]

it generates a number what more could you need

in fact this is the compiler adding extra entropy yw

[sage crag]

when its replacing libc or running as the main language of an operating system

it needs to be ROBUST

i say replacing libc, because i dont intend to use libc in any of lily

[tender river]

it needs to have all of the folowing

• fearless concurrency
• blazingly fast
• zero cost abstractions
• memory safety
• impl<'a, T, T1, T2> Whatever<T, T1, T2> for &'a Wrapper<T, T1, T2> Where T: Future<Output = T1> + Send + Sync + 'static, T1: Into<Arc<[u8]>> + Send + Sync + 'static, T2: Future<Output = T1> + Send + Sync + 'static + L + Ratio

[sage crag]

imo concurrency should be very fearful

fear the cpu, it is fathoming

i like memory safety, but i prefer memory control

as for blazingly fast, i like doing things quickly but portability is a bigger thing for me

[tender river]

in rust its only fearless in the sense of "as much deadlock/race condition freedom as if you ran it on separate pcs", and actually a lot of C++ programmers have bugs stemming from improper memory sharing and rust does fix that, but when you understand that concurrency is still very hard

[sage crag]

and as for mpl<'a, T, T1, T2> Whatever<T, T1, T2> for &'a Wrapper<T, T1, T2> Where T: Future<Output = T1> + Send + Sync + 'static, T1: Into<Arc<[u8]>> + Send + Sync + 'static, T2: Future<Output = T1> + Send + Sync + 'static + L + Ratio, well yes, we will definitely have something like this

[sage crag]

most of what i see from rust concurrency is capping potential performance in the name of safety

but that's completely fine

since if you need that level of performance you can just unsafe

[tender river]

most of what i saw from your code is forgoing proper concurrency in favor of heisenbugs

[sage crag]

im not talking about my rust code specifically

fakern is a trash heap but that's ok

[tender river]

i would know how to appreciate trash heaps

[sage crag]

yes

im currently playing sebastian lague's little circuit game

the only gate it gives you is NAND

i have made all of the others

[tender river]

yeah i remember assembling all basic gates from nands

[sage crag]

what do you think this is

[gritty dust]

Nerds am I right

[sage crag]

well, easy question

[tender river]

not probably idk how the wiring works

[sage crag]

yes

i dunno i thought of all of these myself so i dont know how optimal they are

this one is OR

[tender river]

does the game make you design an adder

[sage crag]

no

i did that though

[tender river]

i remember spending a while trying to optimize mine and then looking on wikipedia and it had like 3 nand gates less

[sage crag]

these are all of the gates i made

half-adder

full-adder

i still dont know how optimal these are

[tender river]

they are probably not optimal just by virtue of not purely consisting of nand gates

[sage crag]

that's what i thought

[tender river]

since that allows you to do some crazy optimization by reusing values

[sage crag]

mhm, you can do a NAND storage

i also wired up all of the 4 bit variants

except for the full-adder because im trying to think of a way to do it with parallel computation rather than sequential

[sage crag]

once you have NAND-4, the rest of the parallel ones are just the same as single bit logic gates

[tender river]

i designed a video player in factorio which is basically the same kind of circuitry but each combinator is a bit more capable but also delays the signal by 1 tick

but the hardest to understand thing in factorio i can think of (related to wiring at least) is probably balancers, they basically use 2-to-2 (or 1-to-2 or 2-to-1) splitters to evenly split N lanes into M lanes

the maths in there are insane

[sage crag]

there are other things in here too

including buses, displays, and a 256x16 ROM

[sage crag]

im thinking i could half-add two numbers, then left shift the carries and then half add those

until you get to the end of the bit count

but im wondering if that's less performant than just implementing the sequential full-adder

[tender river]

do you have any kind of costs in the game?

[sage crag]

nope

[tender river]

because its not like you have to worry about heat dissipation or electron paths

[sage crag]

yeah but i want to make it fast

i want to build a tiny ALU

[tender river]

fast requires a definition of fast, tiny doesnt necessarily mean fast, basically what i'm saying is you need a metric

andi need to sleep rq good ngiht

[sage crag]

...

good night

im looking for a most-reduced implementation

in terms of number-of-NANDs i guess

[tender river]

you could try automating the designs

example from factorio https://gianlucaventurini.com/posts/2024/factorio-sat

[sage crag]

SAT solver on factorio

[tender river]

oh before going to sleep im just gonna mention how i had to flash the server (the previous one too) because i found the process pretty funny

• short two specific pins on the server to make it enter flash mode
• connect the server's usb a port to my laptop's usb c port (yes, not vice versa, its normally supposed to be usb a to usb a but i dont have one)
• set some sysctl to make linux not break usb randomly
• connect the server power
• run random rkdevtool commands

[sage crag]

oh it works

interesting

it also overflows

15 + 3 goes to 2

15 + 15 goes to 14

[tender river]

design a multiplier later, shouldnt be too hard

[rigid snow]

[stable fractal]

i wanna blow up a capacitor

ive never done it before

and it seems pretty easy to blow it

(i got inspired by electroboom)

[sage crag]

hm yes reallocate buffer for every read character

[stable fractal]

i don't understand it but i feel something is wrong

[sage crag]

essentially in a cursed pseudocode

read(name):
  file = open(name)
  size = 1
  arr = [0; size]
  loop {
    char = read_char(file)
    if char == none {
      break
    }
    arr[size-1] = char
    size += 1
    arr.append(0)
  }
  arr[size-1] = '\0'
  close(file)
  return arr

except that arr.append() is a much slower operation than it looks like in the pseudocode, because typical dynamic arrays have a preallocted buffer capacity that increases by 2x each time it's resized

[rigid snow]

that wouldn’t reallocate on every append though

[sage crag]

whereas this increases the buffer capacity every time

[sage crag]

i am aware

[stable fractal]

thanks

[rigid snow]

slow internet, i sent my message before yours

[stable fractal]

what is it doing tho?

am stoobid

[sage crag]

reading a file

[rigid snow]

reading a file into memory in the slowest way possible

[stable fractal]

well obviously ye

[sage crag]

this is not the slowest way

[rigid snow]

what would be the slowest way

[sage crag]

its asking the os for more heap memory for every byte of the file

[stable fractal]

isn't there a function to read a file?

fread

[gritty dust]

The code uses feof() to control reading, which causes it to read one extra character, causing the wrong buffer size and an extra invalid byte before the null terminator

[sage crag]

the slowest way would be to

read():
  while true {}

there is always a slower way

[sage crag]

yes, this is a deliberately cursed code or something

[stable fractal]

pop that bad boy in programming war crimes sub reddit

[gritty dust]

true

Why tf is it sending now

[rigid snow]

i have bad news, i got the image from one of those

[stable fractal]

while true (omg so funny haha)

[gritty dust]

I sent this like a min or two ago

Wtfff

Man discord sucks

[gritty dust]

This was the mlntcandys code

God I can't type today

stupid autocorrect

[rigid snow]

it’s not my code! i would never write something like that

[stable fractal]

oh its not yours?

[gritty dust]

Uh huh

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[stable fractal]

why tf did i type nougat?

what even is a nougat?

[rigid snow]

yes it’s from r/programminghorror

[stable fractal]

lovely

[gritty dust]

Oh lol makes sense

[stable fractal]

why is lovely not spelt as lovley?

lovley makes more sense

[gritty dust]

It doesn't

[rigid snow]

because love + ly??

[gritty dust]

Love and you added ly to the end

[stable fractal]

ye but sound it out

lovley sounds the same when actually sounding it out

[gritty dust]

So then you think love should be spelt lov or something

[stable fractal]

luv

[gritty dust]

I'm losing a chromosome talking about this

[rigid snow]

i’m gaining one

[stable fractal]

english is my 2nd language

[gritty dust]

[stable fractal]

is that a good thing?

[rigid snow]

[gritty dust]

[stable fractal]

the more the merrier

[knotty current]

what did i just walk into XD

[gritty dust]

Do this

Trust

Me

[stable fractal]

uh you wanna see me blow up a capacitor?

[gritty dust]

Bro

[tender river]

just gonna leave this classic in here https://nee.lv/2021/02/28/How-I-cut-GTA-Online-loading-times-by-70/

[stable fractal]

oh ye thats not cursed at all

but seriously it hurts to look at

[sage crag]

hm yes bifurcate

[knotty current]

no

[stable fractal]

whats that?

[stable fractal]

why not?

[sage crag]

now that i've toggled it, make a guess

[knotty current]

cuz why would u in the first place

[tender river]

making mux/demux was fun ok gonna sleep frfr

on god's gpt

[sage crag]

you should have been sleeping 20 minutes ago

[stable fractal]

nand

oh

its a circuit

logic gates

i was about to say logic cakes

yum

[stable fractal]

ive never tried it and it looks fun

so uh ye

[sage crag]

its a circuit that outputs 01 if the input is 1 and 10 if the input is 0

[rotund crown]

does the output of the upper nand gate input to the lower nand gate

[sage crag]

yes

[rigid snow]

to be fair gtao loading times are still shit even after rockstar merged this fix but they’re not outrageously shit, like imagine trying to play the game and it takes 6-10 minutes to load on an nvme drive, if you never played it you’d never actually understand how bad it was

[stable fractal]

so it outputs 1 if 1 and 2 if 0

good

thats cool

why tho

[sage crag]

eh, not quite. it's interpretable as binary, but it's not binary per-se

its basically converting an input into a crossroads

[sage crag]

clearer look

[knotty current]

its gon explode

i've seen people do that

[stable fractal]

thats what blowing up means

[knotty current]

and the goop is not pleasent

[rigid snow]

it’s fine

[stable fractal]

what goop

[knotty current]

capaciator goop

[stable fractal]

ye fr

[stable fractal]

there's goop in the capacitor?

[knotty current]

yes

[stable fractal]

have you blown up one?

[knotty current]

no

[stable fractal]

dam

[knotty current]

i have seen youtube videos of people blowing up capaciators

[stable fractal]

https://tenor.com/bopcg.gif

that guy?

[knotty current]

exactly

[stable fractal]

ye he's cool

[rigid snow]

i don’t know if i should engage in this convo because it can be seen as encouraging this but i’ve blown up caps before and it’s fun

[opaque wharf]

Not all capacitor go boom. But the electrolytic one sure love to do it spectacularly

[stable fractal]

why you editing?

im jk

[knotty current]

InabaXD

[rigid snow]

yeah trying to blow up a ceramic capacitor is gonna be underwhelming asl

i never tried but i’d imagine it just burns

[knotty current]

are the squarish ones ceramic?

[rigid snow]

yeah

[knotty current]

neuroNOTED

[opaque wharf]

With high enough voltage, everything burns lol

[stable fractal]

oh ye

ceramic ones are disapointing

[opaque wharf]

The easiest way to explode an electrolytic caps is to buy a lower rated voltage one than your local outlet voltage

[rigid snow]

wait plugging them into the outlet is CRAZY don’t do that

[opaque wharf]

It is indeed crazy as is the idea of intentionally exploding a caps in the first place

[knotty current]

if i rember the goop is toxic?

[opaque wharf]

Unless you go out of your way to ingest one, it is fine

[knotty current]

i see

[opaque wharf]

I'm not saying it isn't toxic, and some of it could cause skin irritation, but then again, wash it with water and you'll be fine. If you're doing it often, I'm more concerned about the fact that you are exploding caps often in the first place

[knotty current]

i dont even do hardware atm

Sadge

but good to know

[sage crag]

hblang hashmap update

5 million elements in 1.16 seconds

[maiden geyser]

now, how many cpu cycles it took

[sage crag]

didnt measure

we are only 2.9x slower than the rust standard library hashmap though

on my machine

pretty good

[opaque wharf]

CPU cycles isn't a good metric either. Even if an instruction cost 3 cycle, it could be slower than a 5 cycle one

[sage crag]

this is true

a better metric would be a real world test

which i do not have

you could also measure energy use, but that also varies with the type of instruction used

[noble zodiac]

how does the best and worst case compare?

[sage crag]

i do not know

presumably the worst case is much much worse

[maiden geyser]

you must be lying vro

[sage crag]

since im not able to use SIMD for probing, my hasher is dubious at best, and i havent made optimal changes to the tombstones

[sage crag]

i think you may just be unable to read

that's ok

[opaque sigil]

just don't run into the worst case

[sage crag]

exactly

always prepare optimal data for my hashmap

or it will crash

[sage crag]

oh actually, more important thing

hashmap on x86 and hbvm have now got the same output

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

due to some recent compiler fixes

[noble zodiac]

my DNS registrar is selling .gay domains for 2€/year this month letsgooo

[sage crag]

lol

[olive sable]

this pretraining stuff isnt actually taking that long

12 hours for 38%

[vapid cosmos]

damn, im close

page out to ram 🙂

and then to disk. easy!

"there's your VRAM" -nvidia and amd

[sage crag]

she's asleep

[rigid snow]

this guy is cluelessing 50% of the time and trolling the other 50% i wouldn’t pay any mind

[vapid cosmos]

oh.

[stark needle]

what loss

[olive sable]

idk

[hoary lion]

Morn

[stark needle]

does it not say the loss

????

[sage crag]

yeh

[olive sable]

this ui doesnt have a loss thingy anymore

idk why

[hoary lion]

No tensorboard??

[stark needle]

bro is learning blindly

bruh

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

i dont mind clueless people, i just prefer if people dont jump to conclusions

it wouldnt even be that surprising if my implementation was faster than the rust default hashmap in some cases

that's just how data structures work

[olive sable]

FlashAttention v2 not found. Falling back to standard PyTorch attention.
TensorBoard not found. Logging will be limited to console.

[sage crag]

rust hashmap takes safety into consideration

[stark needle]

Also, i went to pick up the headphones

[vapid cosmos]

im sure theres a good point for that safety

[stark needle]

turns out they were these https://nobleaudio.com/products/fokus-prestige?srsltid=AfmBOoo1S15cQrdP46onEZ5BO3my3Fgn7qEL00ZhRnRXp5A9EAeoGQi7

idk how the could just give them to me for free

[hoary lion]

Crazy

[stark needle]

for 600$ the transparency mode is so ass

[hoary lion]

Heavenly sound quality tho, innit?

[stark needle]

after EQ yes

without eq no

[olive sable]

ye idk why it wont work.

try:
    from torch.utils.tensorboard import SummaryWriter
    TENSORBOARD_AVAILABLE = True
except ImportError:
    SummaryWriter = None
    TENSORBOARD_AVAILABLE = False
    print("TensorBoard not found. Logging will be limited to console.")

probably something to do with summarywriter if i had to guess, altho idk what summarywriter is

[stark needle]

pip install tensorboard (?)

ima be honest

without proper loss documentation

that run is worthless since

the model couldve overfit or whatever

[vapid cosmos]

gotta get a smaller size

i like my models like my jeans

[stark needle]

headphone sound quality is not correlated at all with price

[olive sable]

why is tensorboard a seperate install if its part of torch?

[stark needle]

it's not

part of torch

u can also use wandb, etc

[olive sable]

you install it from torch.utils.tensorboard tho?

[stark needle]

thats just random imports

that dont ened to necessairly be downloaded

e.g. torch.cuda.* is not a thing if cuda is not installed

[olive sable]

so now without tensorboard, it should still be fine no?

[stark needle]

the model is entirely undocumented

u dont know anything about the actual eprformance

ideally u'd also have model weights and norms logged

also u dont pretrain a llm on batch size 4

[olive sable]

im at batch size 16 rn

[gritty dust]

Oh SamVanMaele your matrix idea worked btw my sexy man robot arm did the thing, moved to the puck

Pog

[stark needle]

what context length are u using sam

[olive sable]

lemme check

2048

[stark needle]

what is the effective distribution of token amounts per sequence

[olive sable]

1056 i think?

[stark needle]

so ur wasting almost 1000 tokens with padding?

[olive sable]

look i have no clue how to calculate effective token distrobution

[stark needle]

like do u have a histogram or something

with the length of each sequence in the training data

[olive sable]

uh

no not really

[stark needle]

like this

[olive sable]

nope

[stark needle]

bruh how are y'all training this model

😭 😭 😭

out of thin air

[olive sable]

idk, im jsut running the code

use_dynamic_token_length: true
dynamic_start_len: 64
dynamic_ramp_steps: 10000

it has this shit

[olive sable]

i dont have a clue how this stuff works, i jsut have a 3090

[gritty dust]

Rich ngl

[stark needle]

why would anyone start training at sequence length 64

thats like barely half a sentence

[olive sable]

it was ony 675

[olive sable]

dont ask me

[gritty dust]

I got a 4070 idk if that's good for training ai

[olive sable]

fast but less vram so eh

[gritty dust]

Yeahhh it only has 12gb

[stark needle]

@prime ridge whats ur training strategy

[olive sable]

damn i really dont have energy rn.
i guess thats just what 3hr sleep per day for a week does

[hoary lion]

Go eep now

[stark needle]

i'm still studying

[noble zodiac]

kill braincells? it do bee doing that

[hoary lion]

Yea

[olive sable]

no, i have dinner in an hour. its only 6pm rn

and i have to finish more homework, it never stops

[hoary lion]

End of the year energy

[stark needle]

i covered living laws and regulations and insurances laws and regulations, i'm currently covering work laws and stuff

i still need to cover the politics and taxes part

[gritty dust]

Average programmer sleep

[olive sable]

my brother in Christ, why are they giving you a law degree?

[stark needle]

uh no this is General knowledge class

[olive sable]

i barely even know who our prime minister is

wait

i dont barely know, i dont know

[noble zodiac]

maybe you should

[olive sable]

nah

[stark needle]

the exam is tomorrow starts at 8 in the morning

100min

[olive sable]

100 min is not that much

[stark needle]

then break 30min (everyone will contemplate their full life choices here and say "it's so over") and then 50min essay

[stark needle]

the exam is 28 pages

[olive sable]

the only times ive had that many pages was a 40 page math exam

but math is ez, this doesnt sound that ez

[hoary lion]

Math is easy?

[stark needle]

math u just learn the few rules

[hoary lion]

Oh pure souls

[stark needle]

technically if you know the full rules math is straightforward ish

at least pre-university level

[hoary lion]

Y'all are living in a good, good country

[olive sable]

i had a bit of troiuble with limits of integrals, but besides that its ez

[hoary lion]

Limits of integrals are goated

No limits are bad

[rare bramble]

30+ pages. I think the longest math exam I have had was my senior high school extended math finals, 6h test and like some 10 pages

how are you even supposed to do that without literally just throwing garbage at the paper as fast as you can and hoping that some of it is correct?

it would probably take me the whole 3h to just read all the questions

[stark needle]

i hate the learning material for my exam is

basically just a legal concept to the left and to the right just basically a summary

So this is an insane memorization task

learn as many concepts and their summaries as possible

It's like 60 pages across all topics

With 3-4 concepts on each page

I'm making a summary of these summaries per topic but the summary itself is still 4-5 pages

Per topic

So I'll have to make chatgpt summarize the summaries of the summaries

[noble zodiac]

depends on what kind of answer they want. Like give me the paragraph for this law or whatever

[stark needle]

That's one or they give u irl examples and u need to say e.g. what legal concepts are taking place

Another type of question is telling if a specific scenario is lawful

Or not

[noble zodiac]

at least thats not too bad

[stark needle]

Yeah but for example it gives an example of termination of a rental agreement that seems plausible but it's actually not legal cause of some small detail (e.g. they were living in a shared flat with only one room so it's actually just 1 month notice up to the beginning of the next agreement + the specific name of the form mentioned is wrong)

[noble zodiac]

https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-gov-models-for-u-s-national-security-customers

The result is a set of Claude models that understands our customers’ unique national security requirements while maintaining Anthropic's unwavering commitment to safety and responsible AI development.

[inner pike]

i love that i can just read whatever you post

[prime ridge]

Its 2048

[prime ridge]

All 2048

[prime ridge]

Training a base autoregressive model that will be fine tuned for producing desirable outputs. Training 768m parameters with 2048 ctx at around 200k tokens per batch ish. Using spread out latent attention bottle necks across the 36 layers (around 8 bottleneck layers)

50k vocab size

Im on mobile rn so not trinna write an essay rn but thats the gist

[stark needle]

what's the model size without embedding

Total params - (tokenizer vocab * hidden dim)

[hoary lion]

anthropic pisses me off with these behaviors

i dont get it, just buy more gpus please...?

unstable rates 😠

[prime ridge]

708m

Im also doing batch annealing

First epoch with high batch and lr

Moving to lower batch and lower lr to improve generalization

Increased dropout tho just to prevent overfitting

And ill train for 5 more epochs

[gritty dust]

peak programming heh

[prime ridge]

But early stopping in case I dont need it

[hoary lion]

use switch
does the IDE not recommend it?

06-05?

good for writing, theey say

hope there is some alternative to claude in writing

[prime ridge]

Allbiet I kinda wish I did 24x1536 instead of 36x1280

Cuz deeper layers are kinda poinless for casual texting

[stark needle]

how much are u saturating the model

In terms of data vs scaling laws etc

And overtraining

[hoary lion]

1536 is some go-to numbers for deepseek ish models

around that level

[olive sable]

looks like i was wrong, which doesnt suprise me

Epoch 1 Training: 44%|▍| 220879/501313 [14:38:0 rn

so im geussing it will be done tomorrow at like 6pm or so

[hoary lion]

but how?

how is it all uniformly on 2048?

[olive sable]

[hoary lion]

using packing strategies?

[dry charm]

I just fucking rm -rfed my whole ForgeJo data folder

[prime ridge]

Not horrible. About 20 tokens per sample

Which is optimal

[prime ridge]

Perfectly fine

[prime ridge]

Truncation

Which ik isnt optimal usually but because of the <msg></msg> tags it will be fine

I just dont know how many messages of context to put in

Thatll be a challenge to balance but ill figure it out

[prime ridge]

This would be bad if I put eot tokens at the end

But it knows it needs to continue

[inner pike]

this shit is funny af

[sage crag]

kde plasma

[tender river]

i went to shower

[sage crag]

did you sleep

[tender river]

es

am i that untrustworthy

[sage crag]

its a level of concern that is reached when someone says "im deciding not to sleep for another day"

[tender river]

randomly reminded me of

true f t x = t x;
false f t x = f x;

(boolean church encoding/in other words, how to create booleans without builtins except functions and assuming your language doesnt do call-by-value)

[sage crag]

m

[noble zodiac]

lisp macros are cooking my brain

[grand marsh]

I kinda wanna make my own ai vtuber does anyone have any advise on what programs i should use? I am pretty new to programming

[inner pike]

We have gotten two spaces of the bingo today

[noble zodiac]

there you go

[inner pike]

LMAOOOOOO

I cant believe you made something like this

although tbf, its not too suprising considering how many people we get that come here like that

[inner pike]

@amber fractal bingo update

[noble zodiac]

its not mine, dont know who its from eventually but its needed too often

[inner pike]

oh lmaooooo

we are getting closer and closer to a bingo

[nocturne olive]

Tip: don't use Unity

And of note, you need some serious compute if you want to do that

And even more VRAM

[grand marsh]

Alright thanks

[trim valve]

I should be shot for this good lord

who would've guessed that making a cad model is hard as hell if you only have a (floppy) 30cm ruler for measurements

[olive sable]

the first image and the bingo are both from iggly, idk who the flowchart is from tho. also a #programming frequenter but i forgor

[trim valve]

at least it looks right lol

[tender river]

i'll get a full time job or something and you wont have to worry

[stark needle]

Brother

nvidia

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-reportedly-preparing-geforce-rtx-5050-desktop-gpu-for-july-release

pls

why

why do we need a GPU with WORSE performance than 5060

[olive sable]

5060 is still 8GB

[stark needle]

not even gddr7 on 5050

it's literally a 3050

[olive sable]

128-bit bus, dogshit

[stark needle]

i am not even kidding

they are selling the 3050 as 5050

[olive sable]

even the TDP is the same

its just a 3050

[stark needle]

yeah but for more expensive

[olive sable]

nah wait, this one is gonna have less rops

[stark needle]

cause "ai" or whtaever

[tender river]

perhaps because the production process is becoming more and more failure prone, assuming gpu production is anything like cpu production

[stark needle]

nvidia be like: oh wow rtx 5050 is fast as rtx 3090 cause 1000x dlss frame gen

• upscale

[stone cedar]

I thought you were just phishing for bingo at first lmao

[tender river]

rtx 5050 is 3000 tops *fp1 vs rtx 3090's 1 tops *fp2147483648

[olive sable]

thew 5050 is gonna be GB207, and the 5060 GB206.
so its a difrent chip

not even bad harvest -> deactivated rops

just new bad chip

absolute dogshit

[olive sable]

should i do joystick or 4 arrows?

[cosmic sphinx]

@sick owl how much have you cooked with the new 2.5 Pro upgrade?

[scarlet arch]

Someone posted this already? It's V3
https://v.redd.it/1nnrriqmi55f1

https://elevenlabs.io/v3

[sage crag]

closer to 2050 than 2000

not quite

soon though

[tender river]

closer to the end of time (2038) than the beginning of time (1970)

[sage crag]

closer to tomorrow than the formation of the sun

[hoary lion]

seems like they migrated to transformer based AR tts

judging by the multi-speaker and latency

[stark needle]

ive written 2800 words so far in my summaries

aaaaa

for the exam

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

what I will do is maximum efficiency and generate ai podcasts on each topic while re reading my notes tomorrow morning

[stark needle]

and generate ai summaries of my summary

I'm almost there with political study I just need to cover the political compass and what everything exactly means and how initiatives are done

then i can go to the last topic

which is taxes, however

that was the last exam I had so most of it is still in my head

man😭 to not fall asleep i got some binarual beats BS setup

which supposedly increases brainwaves or whatever

idc as long as it helps🙏 😭

[inner pike]

so close to a bingo now

wait didnt we have nvidia complaining earlier today

[olive sable]

Havent we done nvidia complainin

[inner pike]

with the 5050

[olive sable]

Ye

Thats one sideways bingo

[inner pike]

BINGO

[olive sable]

BINGO

@amber fractal what do we win?

[inner pike]

@amber fractal we got a bingo

[stark needle]

my head and a wall are getting violently married tho rn

[inner pike]

still needed a vibe coder to get a second bingo though

[olive sable]

Violently married

I tried to vibe code something last week, but chatgpt code was ass so it didnt work

Im not counting it

I think chatgpt just didnt know the lib im using and pulled an answer out of its rear

[inner pike]

i think you will enjoy an image i saw earlier today, hold on

here

@olive sable

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

????

[inner pike]

i had a good laugh about the entire thing when i saw it

[inner pike]

dont ask me, i have no fucking idea

[stark needle]

Censorship

[olive sable]

Shadow what happened to your name? Lmao

[stark needle]

stating a fact

i am not you

[inner pike]

he doesnt have in his name that hes not a femboy

so we know what that means

(you're lucky i just turned off my pc and thus dont have the image on hand)

[stark needle]

(etc means more stuff which i did not explicitly state)

SAVED

[inner pike]

Does that mean you arent you ?

[stark needle]

it's not stated if I am or am not myself

only I know

[olive sable]

[inner pike]

Are you sure about that ?

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

that was ChatAGI-o9 Ultra 6o Pro++ 48.8T

[trim valve]

mmm fibre optic cables

with extremely expensive connectors on both ends

[olive sable]

What in the hell is that?

[trim valve]

a close up of a really boring spool

[burnt aurora]

I'll gladly complain about nvidia

[olive sable]

Too late

Rip bozo

[stray dragon]

yummy

[burnt aurora]

Because their drivers are the one singular broken part in my linux install and somehow each one has a different issue

[inner pike]

you are one of the people who i think would genuinely eat fibre optic cables

[stray dragon]

being 100% real i wouldn't eat glass

[trim valve]

the pic is super zoomed in beacuse funni branding

[olive sable]

Ah yes, cable and drum "ASSY"

[stray dragon]

i would not be opposed to copper though

[trim valve]

assembly I'd assume

[stray dragon]

yeah not many good ways to shorten "assembly"

best i've seen is asm

[tender river]

real wireshark hours

[burnt aurora]

Asmbly

[olive sable]

Ass

[stray dragon]

chaotic evil

[trim valve]

i do like the lifting instructions too

[burnt aurora]

If only i had one

[olive sable]

In dutch "autism spectrum disorder" is "autisme spectrum stoornis"
So i am diagnosed with ASS

[stark needle]

mhmmm🤤🤤🤤 Fibre Optic cables 💢‼️ BAD for the environment 🌿😭🙏 But very yummy to eat🤩 ✅🥰❓

[burnt aurora]

[olive sable]

Dont eat my ass

[burnt aurora]

[olive sable]

Take me out to dinner first like jeez

[trim valve]

oh I forgot to post the other part of this

[burnt aurora]

Dw i alr have a gf

[stark needle]

I present to you almost touching anny ears

[burnt aurora]

Painful

[olive sable]

If i had a nickel for every woman in #programming who happens to be a lesbian, i could buy a beer

[stark needle]

when u had typo i was like

https://tenor.com/view/mike-ehrmantraut-kid-named-finger-waltuh-walter-white-finger-gif-26340149

[olive sable]

That made me genuinly lmao

[burnt aurora]

How about tho

[olive sable]

Idk

I dont really put a concious effort into counting each orientation

[burnt aurora]

Just become tramsexual NGT8DD-chan will never cheat

[olive sable]

i think i still prefer woman

[burnt aurora]

Look at that hot hunk a metal

34 tonnes of yellow metal at 80km/h

Anyways off topic

[olive sable]

oh its in germany

the flag made me think of flanders

[tender river]

surely trains are on topic

[burnt aurora]

Flag?

[stray dragon]

wish we had stuff like that here :(

[burnt aurora]

Trams are not trains

[olive sable]

fron of tram, with the lion

[stray dragon]

i think we've had this conversation before.

[burnt aurora]

That's just Dresden, the city

[tender river]

true! but its similar in spirit

[burnt aurora]

Oh you're the person from then?

[stray dragon]

yes

[burnt aurora]

I got an ace

[olive sable]

left is dresden, right is flanders

[stray dragon]

the person that said trams are trains

[tender river]

fun fact trams are called "tramways" in russian (literally just spelt "tramvay")

[burnt aurora]

The german law requires trams and trains to be separated, posing individual rules and regulations for each. These deviate far from each other, and are mismatched even in small details like indicators.

Can't argue against the book of truth

[tender river]

of course, they're optimized for different purposes

[burnt aurora]

They're different to the core, starting with platforms and layouts

[stray dragon]

ok but is a semi truck a car?

[burnt aurora]

No

[stray dragon]

ok google agrees

i see

[burnt aurora]

I have yet to see a 1:1,5:1:1,5:1 SB:-:SB:-:SB train

Yet that layout is common in trams

[burnt aurora]

Google tells you to put glue in pizza for thicker cheese

[stray dragon]

and it works

[burnt aurora]

It's also BS

[stray dragon]

google is always right, clearly

[burnt aurora]

Troll

[tender river]

again, they're optimized for different purposes, no point in designing a light train or a heavy tram

[burnt aurora]

Talking to the T

[tender river]

you sound like you haven't had your daily dose of glue

[olive sable]

yet

[stray dragon]

oh so trams are cars, not trains

i see

[sage crag]

t

[stray dragon]

hi konii

[sage crag]

hi t

[burnt aurora]

Does anyone here know proper stable drivers for nvidia 3070QM on Ubuntu?
Cuz Mint came with 4 but it's all just "pick the least broken piece of shit"

And the one i got from the official nvidia site didn't work any better

[tender river]

surely you can just use dkms

[trim valve]

$125 for a recepticle and $80 for the dust cap

thank god we already have like 6 of them

[tender river]

actually dkms probably wont help here if drivers work but have bugs

[burnt aurora]

They do their job, just incredibly poorly

[tender river]

thats nvidia drivers for you

[burnt aurora]

Nuveau for example kills proton, the one I'm on gets screen freezes, the others aren't any better

[tender river]

also note that there are two branches (open source and proprietary) and they're different

do NOT use nouveau

[burnt aurora]

[nocturne olive]

Silliness spotted

[burnt aurora]

I stopped after proton died thanks to it
At like -1 gps per polygon on screen

[burnt aurora]

Does it break stuff or is it just as instable as it is

[tender river]

historically nvidia has been SUPER uncooperative so nouveau couldn't develop their drivers for newer cards

the development kinda stagnated for a while

it resumed now that nvidia has become more cooperative thanks to AI

but they have a lot of catching up to do

[burnt aurora]

That explains stuff

I think I'm on one of the 5xx series but i forgor

[nocturne olive]

-# Just came from playing DELTARUNE's new chapters, so that was fun

I see Xoda once again hating on the Nvidia drivers

[burnt aurora]

They're all horrible
What's a girl gotta do to get working video

[nocturne olive]

Maybe it's just because you have an obscure GPU that was made for laptops that were only ever meant to run Windows

[burnt aurora]

So 3070 QM is obscure

[thorn ledge]

alright I'm about to install arch on my desktop PC on a new hard drive
any pointers for a guy who's been living off his dad's windows installs all his life?

[nocturne olive]

Well, seems like it is
From what I can tell a 1060 3GB works perfectly fine

[tender river]

just read the wiki

[burnt aurora]

So real

Wikis are amazing

[thorn ledge]

is there a version of the wiki in english

[burnt aurora]

Wouldn't that be the main version

[tender river]

??????

[thorn ledge]

I'm just saying my brain hurts is all

[burnt aurora]

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Main_page
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide

English

[hoary lion]

what happened to #programming

so many new faces and names

[stark needle]

i'm a new face and a new name

[hoary lion]

NOT a new face

reusing of known names

💢

[tender river]

hmmm there are a lot of erlang jobs

[burnt aurora]

I been here since 2023 or sum

[olive sable]

i joined first game-jam iirc

dec 31 2023 apparently

last day

[gritty dust]

What type of games do you make

[olive sable]

3D python

opengl

stuff, idk

[gritty dust]

I haven't done much in opengl, it's hard 😭

you smart as hell for that

[olive sable]

once you get used to it its fine

[gritty dust]

Wait you changed your name I just noticed

[olive sable]

[gritty dust]

[warped narwhal]

3d game

• python
  

[olive sable]

[warped narwhal]

How's the global lock treating you?

[gritty dust]

Lol, python is super great though bc easy

[olive sable]

no issues so far

https://github.com/samvanmaele/game-engine?

readme link has a recent build

[gritty dust]

that's cool I'm looking at that later

[warped narwhal]

I have a couple projects that use c++ and dx12. And holy shit d3d12 is so difficult to use compared to opengl

But once you get used to d3d12, you can never go back to opengl as you'll be starved of all the features

And for that same reason, I couldn't imagine using python for a project like this

[burnt aurora]

Me when

[olive sable]

godot is for people who use game-engines

i dont

[warped narwhal]

I tried using Godot, but it didn't give me a whole lot that couldn't already be done better in other engines, and it was missing a lot of features graphically

[nocturne olive]

Godot is peak of premade engines, but a custom engine would be very interesting to mess around with

[gritty dust]

Question btw it's been a month and I still haven't heard back from GitHub on why my account was suspended, I contacted support twice with no response

[gritty dust]

[amber fractal]

bingo gotten

[olive sable]

hi iggly

[amber fractal]

The table is my work, rarepossum did the flowchart

The reward for bingo is a new board to continue the fun
-# (If the bingo stuff was more complete then I'd say the reward was a public beta of a bingo bot )

[nocturne olive]

Silliness

By the way, some slight progress is happening with the NeuroSynth special append

[olive sable]

this code is so ass, but touchscreen support works now

[sick owl]

Done some fun stuff already

[olive sable]

joystick style, but il make an option for L/R/T/B buttons later maybe

[sick owl]

Asked it to generate a comprehensive list of emotional states and speaking tones then turn that into an animated avatar I can use as a frontend for an LLM

Result:

https://g.co/gemini/share/8de796a6969b

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[amber fractal]

I will 100% confirm the next version won't be as AI centric

[olive sable]

only a single bug

if you press the joystick first you cant move the cam around, since first press becomes the mouse

need to increase the sensitivity too i guess

[desert wave]

my fingers

[stark needle]

i love learning 5 topics in 50min via 5 10min ai podcasts

[olive sable]

at least you're learning

[stark needle]

this is the prompt I have used

I have a test in two hours and need to learn as much as possible in a short time because I haven't been studying. Focus on everything, but especially on the following topics:

<learning goal>

Speak quickly and get straight to the point. Do it so that it can be absorbed as quickly as possible, even if the podcast seems unnatural or unrealistic. Extremely efficient learning is priority #1!

lmfao

[olive sable]

i have concluded the programming and shall now make my final homework of the schoolyear

new version is uploaded to git btw, same link as always

[stark needle]

man it says

the calculator i have

is not allowed at the exam

so i need to buy a calculator last minute

[olive sable]

what?

they limit your calculator?

[stark needle]

ye

only specific models

i mean tbf u can literally play pokemon on my calculator

[olive sable]

oh ye same

i got into programming cuz i would program stuff for my calculator

[stark needle]

omg

maybe saved

i have an old ass calcilator from 1986

this one literally has no cheating functions

nevermind a weird battey shape no one ever saw

[olive sable]

what weird shape?

[sage crag]

who is Konii i only know konii

[olive sable]

?

[stark needle]

AAA but shorter

(?)

[olive sable]

oh

12GA something something

these

our oldest garage remote uses those so we still buy them occasionally

[amber fractal]

[full palm]

Finally someone came, hai!

[amber fractal]

Hello there!

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

hii

[full palm]

[stark needle]

chat

do you think i can survive without a calculator

like

[olive sable]

uh

idk

[stark needle]

it's just sum, division addition and subtraction

[olive sable]

i wouldnt tske my chances

[stark needle]

i cant find any😭

otherwise i will

play the victim

since i'm my teachers favorite student kinda

and say

"oops i accidentally brought this OP calculator"

teehee~

[amber fractal]

[stark needle]

no place is open at 7:30 am

[amber fractal]

I never added games to my calculator as I never had a sync cable

I just made the games instead

[stark needle]

actually this may save me

[amber fractal]

Dang it, I want to play games while other people are testing

I'm just glad our school didn't entirely nuke peer to peer network traffic. So I was able to play coop games while waiting on slower people in math class.

[stark needle]

chat

My exam summary

Printed out

Is 37 pages

This is NOT a summary

😭😭

And it is already a summary of legal texts

The gemini summary is 5 pages

[tight tinsel]

is that sam/iggly/konii/etc

[amber fractal]

I think so

[dusky jackal]

It’s so funny hearing people on Twitter saying shit like “Neuro is good because she’s not generative AI and is more like a puppet being used as content, not creating content”.

Neuro is literally an LLM (Gen AI) based AI system, and Vedal himself stated that he doesn’t like her being seen as a puppet.

He created Neuro to be a streamer, and content creator in her own right. That’s always been his intention.

Neuro is ethical, but not for the reasons people like this think she is.

[knotty current]

morbing

[maiden geyser]

morbing

[gritty dust]

morbing time

[knotty current]

@maiden geyser i might or might not have accidentally found your PFP source

[maiden geyser]

having decorative pillows doesn't make one a part of the bourgeoisie, sir

[maiden geyser]

the faulty feline philosophy?

[knotty current]

yes

[maiden geyser]

yes it is

[knotty current]

i listen to exclusive vocaloid so yt just slapped that on my home page

its actually pretty good

[maiden geyser]

this or forbidden cotton candy?

[hoary lion]

https://tenor.com/view/inabakumori-osage-kaai-yuki-lagtrain-gif-15283363579710686719

this will be in your vision

[knotty current]

XD osage is already in my vision

[tender river]

ai crawlers

[amber fractal]

git good x16

[knotty current]

makes me feel horrible for having to poll a website once like every minute for data

[gritty dust]

#programming is so quiet rn

[maiden geyser]

bc timezones

sad that chat becomes active only at evening

almost all of them

[stark needle]

Morning

Exam in 2 hours

😭

[opaque wharf]

Any other arch user here having trouble with kde plasma?

[wild wadi]

good luck for your exam

[amber fractal]

Hi Iggly hope your exam goes well

[inner pike]

morning

[knotty current]

no?

[opaque wharf]

Alright, thanks. So time to debug it is

[knotty current]

what is going on exactly, i used kde plasma on arch before i switched

[maiden geyser]

calling a funeral parlour ante or post factum?

[opaque wharf]

Nothing burger. It is a known issue of SDDM apparently and I am just unlucky that today my touch numpad driver is acting up and somehow affecting the SDDM

[knotty current]

how could numpad affect SDDM

[opaque wharf]

Yep, that's what I asked the first time too, But here we are. I fixed it now

To be fair, the touch numpad driver is made by someone in python, no from official ASUS

[knotty current]

AINTNEURWAY

[opaque wharf]

And it is from AUR

[knotty current]

another victim to AUR

[maiden geyser]

those linux developers i swear...

[knotty current]

also how in the world can anyone write drivers in python

i thought they all do it in C

[maiden geyser]

on windows they do

on linux, it's possible to use google drive as swap

[opaque wharf]

Ohhh boy, you have not seen someone using ping as a storage

[knotty current]

its possible, but just why would you do that

[maiden geyser]

have heard before, if not seen, thanks

[opaque wharf]

Its possible as it is not a kernel module

[knotty current]

basically as a userland program

[maiden geyser]

userland drivers are a thing on windows too, i think

[opaque wharf]

For anyone that will encounter the same issue, this is what helps me
https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/1799

I tried ctrl+c on the tty1 and found that the touch numpad driver is stopped

[faint sandal]

yes UMDF has existed since like, XP

[maiden geyser]

https://learn.microsoft.com/ru-ru/windows-hardware/drivers/gettingstarted/images/vs2019-kmdf2-template.png

[dusky jackal]

Yes, I may (or may not) agree with what you are saying, however the context here isn't very clear. Please refresh me on what you meant regarding my post and the context of said post—as I would like to respond in an accurate and straight-forward matter. As a fellow discord chatter, I happen to be a very down-to-earth and casual person, and having a better understanding of the intentions behind your message would enable me to respond in a much more understanding and relatable manner. You may respond to this message if you like, but just know that a response back may take up to 15 minutes to 2 hours depending on whether or not I feel like it at the moment, but I will try getting back as soon as I can! Thank you.

[maiden geyser]

was UMDF that good they had to make UMDF v2?

[dusky jackal]

Manner*

Fuck. My post is ruined.

[maiden geyser]

https://img.ifunny.co/images/e9d834fa923ce9f2444bcad2220db367010144b96383327492721c8fed5aa653_1.jpg

[tender river]

ifunny.co 😂 😂 😂

[maiden geyser]

i wear it with pride

[hoary lion]

With all due respect, you really have an astonishing talent of making your responses EXTRA long. This might be a me problem of being a Gen Z brainrotted due to endless scrolling of short form videos, but this very specific sequence of words makes me cracked for somewhat reason.
It feels like it was extended using a large language model, and I am very concerened that you have used an em-dash, which is typically not accessible in any keyboard.

May I ask if you are a writer or something? I am quite interested.

[dusky jackal]

ifunny watermark. Opinion discarded.

[hoary lion]

I would love to ping konii to show this m-dash using individual

I just noticed that it should be an em-dash

smh

[dusky jackal]

Nah, but yeah people on twitter are funny like that.

[tight tinsel]

m-dash individual should be on the bingo

[hoary lion]

no

too rare

even rarer than vedal appearance

[dusky jackal]

My dad is a writer, so maybe that has something to do with it? As for the emdash, I copy and pasted that to sound more—robotic.

[tight tinsel]

pretty common so far though

[hoary lion]

:false:

[tight tinsel]

i think last 2(?) weeks we had 2 m-dashes and 0 vedals

[inner pike]

We have gotten multiple times people that used llms to generate their chat messages

[hoary lion]

i think that was a honourable mention from konii

but if that's the case

[inner pike]

The last vedal appearance in programming was months ago

[dusky jackal]

Nah, I just spend like 15 to 20 minutes, or longer to type out messages lmao.

[faint sandal]

yes and no, it was more so born out of architectural differences between KMDF and UMDF 1.x

[inner pike]

Oh lmaoooo

[hoary lion]

wtf is the purpose for that

[inner pike]

Still we have had people before who used an llm to generate their message

[hoary lion]

to sound like an intellectual??

[faint sandal]

UMDF 2.x was supposed to remedy the architectural differences

[inner pike]

I dont fucking know

[hoary lion]

we aint reading allat? lmao

[dusky jackal]

Longer messages just make people take you even less seriously.

[hoary lion]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[tight tinsel]

i remember one being to showcase a "brilliant new idea"

incredibly funny that was

[opaque wharf]

What? So if UMDF and KMDF is architecturally the same, why would you write UMDF?

[hoary lion]

I think azaka said that they are different?

[fast pagoda]

$42 turns out the total prompt length per request going from 80 tokens to 650 is significant

[hoary lion]

so it was needed to rewrite UMDF...?

[fast pagoda]

ouchie

[maiden geyser]

kernel drivers are ass and you mostly can't use them

[opaque wharf]

But the V2 is supposed to remedy said architectural difference

[hoary lion]

well i have no clue, I was just trying out my reading comprehension

sry

[maiden geyser]

architectural, not privilege difference

[faint sandal]

I meant that as in coding structure

not like, the fundamental ways they're called and used

[opaque wharf]

Oh, so structurally the same

Architectural implies the way they work

[faint sandal]

yes

[amber fractal]

I mean I am taking suggestions because we actually got bingo

[inner pike]

I remember that one, that was funnny af

[hoary lion]

so sad I don't remember such hilarious behavior

💡

[faint sandal]

if you wanna learn more about WDF in general, see Ch. 6 Windows Internals Ed. 7

[maiden geyser]

@grok show me ch 6 windows internal ed 7

[stark needle]

Exam in 1h😭😭 the moment after not having studied as i should have in the last 6 months

[tight tinsel]

good luck

[stark needle]

My brain is starting to go in dementia Mode

pls let it be an easy essay

[inner pike]

Oh i hadnt seen that one yet lmao

[tight tinsel]

guess the ai they asked

[inner pike]

No idea

[tight tinsel]

i wonder

[hoary lion]

grok grok

I love when random ass SpaceX glaze comes in

[inner pike]

Ah lmaooooo