programming

[knotty current]

[prime ridge]

I still use it actually

I used it for robotics actually

also do you know if file IO cache disapears after reboot

cuz like I have several millions files that took like 20-30 minutes to index

and now it's slow as shit

[knotty current]

i know tmp and XDG-RUNTIME-DIR does

i dont think that does tho

[prime ridge]

cuz after indexing I was able to run ls in like 5-10 minutes

[knotty current]

i dont think i even have an IO cache?

[prime ridge]

now it just doesn't even complete

no it def does

[knotty current]

ls took 30 minutes?

[prime ridge]

prolly more

it's sooooo slow

but tbf it's like 50-100 million files

in 1 dir

[knotty current]

oh

that makes sense

[prime ridge]

also I double checked, Yes linux does cache it

[knotty current]

i never knew that

i have like max 100 files in one directory recursive

[prime ridge]

it's not a ls cache but a linux page cache

and it does dissapear on reboot

so fuck me

[hoary lion]

finally back

i wanna just do research

[knotty current]

-# imma just pray nobody doxxes me cuz i forgot to blur out IP oops

[olive sable]

wdym?

[knotty current]

i posted my hyprland rice here

but i forgot to blur out the Ip address display

-# hopefully safer version

[olive sable]

i mean, its kinda blocked

still possible to read most of it assuming its the numbers behind the 20

[amber fractal]

The numbers are fine as local ip

actually that's behind 14, not sure what is behind 20, nor am I wanting to know

[hoary lion]

my ip is 127.0.0.1

[tight tinsel]

good morning programming

(i say this at 11am knowing that its almost the middle of the day)

[amber fractal]

Strange I am also under that ip

[hoary lion]

no wonder you are in the same timezone as me

[unkempt citrus]

Damn NATs

[hoary lion]

[unkempt citrus]

[knotty current]

i mean, even if this ip gets leaked, my ISP changes my ip every so often so it would be temporary

[hoary lion]

this tbh

ISPs love shifting ip

[knotty current]

which also means i need to change the authorized IPs for my APIs every once so often

[prime ridge]

no it's mine tf

[past ledge]

hello everyone1

[hoary lion]

new member unlocked

welcome to #programming where we all somehow have 127.0.0.1

[past ledge]

nice to meet our!

[prime ridge]

My ISP has never changed my public ip somehow

[knotty current]

i guess some do it and some dont

[hoary lion]

some ISPs actually allows user to have fixed public ip

[prime ridge]

I don't pay for a static ip

maybe my isp just loves me. Cuz I get a seemingly static ipv4

thank god cuz ipv6 is broken on my laptop somehow

well that doesn't matter actually

[knotty current]

until the minute you inevitably realize you just accidentally posted your public IP in chat

then maybe conside dynamic public ipv4?

[prime ridge]

oh I just mean ipv6 being borked

[knotty current]

i dont even know how to use ipv6

im about networking in general

[opaque sigil]

It should ideally ✨ just work ✨

Emphasis on ideally

[knotty current]

ideally

some time ago i wrote spaghet that just worked

[opaque sigil]

In reality fuck all services actually support ipv6

[knotty current]

until it didnt

so im refactoring it rn

[opaque sigil]

Good luck

[prime ridge]

I genuninely don't know why my ipv6 is broken

it's an arch thing

[knotty current]

maybe its unsupported hardware?

[prime ridge]

No shot

2015 laptop

and it used to work

until I os hopped

[knotty current]

laptop just has problems desktops dont

damn those windows specific laptop hardware that does not work on linux

[prime ridge]

well I purposefully disabled ipv6

but I did it because my DNS didn't work when ipv6 was enabled

idk why my DNS was borked

even with ipv6 disabled my DNS is slowwww

takes like 60 seconds to load a page sometimes

and 50/50 just doesn't load

[knotty current]

i think old ahh hardware just bork when they see ipv6

and sometimes just gives up

[prime ridge]

no way though. Because non-us ips often are ipv6

they have to support it

and it's been around for a very long time

like VERY long time

[knotty current]

mhmnotscuffed

[prime ridge]

the emoji isnt even loading

I just see yellow

my DNS is that slow

[knotty current]

i have backup DNS servers added

specifically google DNS and cloudflare DNS

[prime ridge]

actually ion think it's DNS

it might just be drivers for my NIC

cuz my download is literally 20x slower than it used to be

[knotty current]

old ahh hardware

[prime ridge]

2015 isnt old

[knotty current]

at least it still works

[prime ridge]

oh wait 2015 was 10 years ago

[opaque sigil]

If it was the dns you would see nothing

[prime ridge]

how tf

well before my DNS was just slow

but this might be a new problem

cuz my download speed is only 20 mb/s wtf

it was like 300 before

[opaque sigil]

[knotty current]

[prime ridge]

[past ledge]

I programmed a sdk for easy to dev in java.

import me.castorice.sdk.io.network.websocket.Websocket;

public class Main {
    public static void main(String[] args) {
        try {
            // 创建WebSocket连接
            var ws = new Websocket("wss://echo.websocket.org/");

            // 设置连接建立时的回调
            ws.onOpen(() -> System.out.println("连接已建立"));

            // 设置消息接收的回调
            ws.onMessage(message -> {
                System.out.println("收到消息: " + message);
            });

            // 设置连接关闭的回调
            ws.onClose(reason -> System.out.println("连接已关闭，原因: " + reason));

            // 设置错误发生的回调
            ws.onError(error -> System.err.println("发生错误: " + error.getMessage()));

            ws.connect();
            ws.send("你好！", true);
            ws.close(null);
            Thread.sleep(1000);
        } catch (Exception e) {
            e.printStackTrace();
        }
    }
}

[opaque sigil]

[prime ridge]

为什么 Java ☕ 😭

No reason to torture yourself this much

[knotty current]

just because

this guy wanted a java sdk to their liking

[prime ridge]

Hence Kotlin

[knotty current]

i never touched any java nor java related languages

[prime ridge]

Count your lucky stars

[knotty current]

why?

[prime ridge]

Java is horrrrrible

I've actually used it so I can say

[knotty current]

i never planned to use java

the languages i want to learn are C and Rust

[prime ridge]

There is no longer a single use for it besides minecraft lol

[knotty current]

[prime ridge]

android uses Kotlin now

[knotty current]

even minecraft mods are now written in js

[prime ridge]

are they? I haven't really looked at any mods source code

I've only seen java but I haven't looked at many

[knotty current]

i was browsing then i stumbled upon javascript minecraft mod SDKs

so not even minecraft mods need java now

[prime ridge]

It just screams early 2000s

[knotty current]

i really dont like js

[prime ridge]

Never bothered learning it

[knotty current]

i had to because of web scrapers

[prime ridge]

I have a burning hatred for web dev

[prime ridge]

beautifulsoup

[knotty current]

not

that was on options

but an existing one is written in js, uses raw CDP

honestly thats just SCHIZO

but at least it handles certain stuff better than what i could do

[prime ridge]

Only language I ever loved was Python

I kinda liked Dart

unpopular opinion ik

[knotty current]

the only language i know how to write rn is python

[prime ridge]

C++ is the literal devil

[knotty current]

it is

[prime ridge]

I will never stop hating on C++

I write it for work

it's so annoying

It actually frustrates me beyond belief

[knotty current]

which one of Rust and C++ is better?

[prime ridge]

especially cmake

Rust >>>>

not even a question

Rust has cargo

which makes things usable

[knotty current]

mhmnotscuffed

[prime ridge]

cmake is so laughably bad

mason and ninja too

they keep trying to tame C++ but nothing will make it decent

[knotty current]

im writing python so i have never touched a build tool

-# capt for when im compiling stuff

[prime ridge]

Rust is the only lang with a decent build tool imo

Although even Rust can be slightly frustrating with things like lifetimes. It's worth it though because you get C++ performance with wayyyy less stress

[knotty current]

def learning rust once i got time

-# between wruting python, arg schizoing, and japanase

[prime ridge]

Just do a project that requires good performance as ur first project in Rust

I been thinking of writing an ML framework in rust

[knotty current]

its just i have a python project going rn and i have 0 ideas what to write in rust

-# also i work way too much with pandas

-# def need to learn numpy more

[prime ridge]

Thankfully Rust is a massive language so you can do just about anything in it

dude I use numpy in probably literally 99% of all projects

it's amazing

[knotty current]

it is

[prime ridge]

never really used pandas suprisingly

[knotty current]

i had to since im working with tabular data with string columns

[prime ridge]

prolly cuz my data is almost never structured

so I hae to parse it myself

[knotty current]

im learning to ditch the for loops with pandas and im quite suprised at how much i can ditch

[opaque sigil]

ccache my beloved

[opaque sigil]

all of it if you feel like dealing with the bs

[knotty current]

am not at that point of schzo yet

if i needed i would have just used numpy directly

the issue is that the project im working is a collaborative, and it has way too much pandas code to ditch for me to use numpy

[tender river]

for me compile times are the biggest annoyance lol

[prime ridge]

really?

I feel like it's usually not that bad

although once you have a lot of deps it can get pretty rough

[opaque sigil]

it's objectively really bad compared to other languages (c++ doesn't count)

but i guess that's the tradeoff

cool so turns out mlir binaries with debug info are actually gigantic

lovely

[tender river]

oops

[opaque sigil]

[amber fractal]

I should be banned from ideas

[tender river]

watching my internet slowly die

[amber fractal]

nothing yet, but if I actually attempt it I will let chat know.

[knotty current]

i just realized my spaghet was querying api 3 times a minute

that was a rate limited api as well

[amber fractal]

If one of my repos is called NN this one is QN. That is all

[tender river]

i've seen sizes like that with big projects like qt or firefox, i guess mlir statically links to llvm?

[opaque sigil]

those are all dynamic executables but i guess they do include a lot of llvm

tbf i'm sure it's probably just all the debug info that's taking up space but i cba to compile it without rn

[knotty current]

for everyone in here that uses vscode or another editor with an integrated terminal

do you actually use the terminal or do u use an external one?

[opaque sigil]

both on my desktop, external only on my laptop

[tight tinsel]

i mean

gpu is gpu

[amber fractal]

free pc!

[knotty current]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-dark-kermit-gif-13921433

gpu is better than no gpu

[opaque sigil]

yeah it is, mlir-opt is down to 135MB after being stripped

[tight tinsel]

yeah i am taking it tho i would have to wait for a while to collect it

imma have him keep it until i rget back from overseas

[prime ridge]

Boys it's time... #1378232443223408651

[opaque sigil]

Imagine sleeping so late smh

It do be like that

[tender river]

hope you dont wake up tired, gn
the implementation is coming along nicely once i realized that what i mark is objects (each object needs to be marked) but what i relocate is object handles (each handle needs to be relocated to point to the new object location)

its ok your head is sturdy i dont think it will hurt

[tender river]

i finished the GC impl

it doesnt work

now it does

[stark needle]

Morning

[hoary lion]

that feeling when tensor dimensions match

[safe path]

🧢

[knotty current]

what a great way to spend my afternoon, compiling obscure libraries from source

ok thank gosh it isnt that bad

[ruby timber]

Morning!

[scarlet arch]

[maiden geyser]

morbing

[trim valve]

[dense cosmos]

i want to mess around with a ray-marcher in curved space with arbitrary topologies

i have no idea how or where to start though

how do I even represent arbitrary topologies as a data structure?

hmm

i need to go study maths and topology

[maiden geyser]

i need to go and tip a cow

[stark needle]

enub

neuroPogHD

[sour lotus]

Herro

I just learned about the
NRC-Emotion-Lexicon-Wordlevel-v0.92

thingamajig

[knotty current]

sentiment analysis?

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[amber fractal]

Good morning chat
(What sleep?)

[opaque sigil]

https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-ROCm-7.0-HIP-Plans

[rough bloom]

they're making hipify less shit

nixpkgs isn't even on 6.4 yet
can AMD stop releasing for a few months please

[noble zodiac]

but you are reproducibly behind

[trim valve]

[hoary lion]

gm

[olive sable]

i am going insane

self.depthshaders = [[shaderDepth(np.ascontiguousarray(np.concatenate([np.concatenate([arr + entity[0].transformMat[3,0:3] for arr in entity[1].vertexDataList]) for entity in self.entities.values()]).ravel(), 'f').data.cast('B')), np.identity(4)]]

there probably is some stuff i could remove from the list comprehension, but it finbalyl works so

[trim valve]

one day this code will stop being python

[olive sable]

it will have ascended

[knotty current]

i thought my list comprehensions were long, this is transcendence

i still have a long way to schizo

[olive sable]

this is only 1 of my schizo list comprehensions

[knotty current]

[trim valve]

hate

[knotty current]

time to learn absurd list comprehension techniques then

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/steamed-hams-aurora-borealis-what-is-happening-fagetti-wtf-gif-16514726

jsut some data reading

[knotty current]

fr though, i love list comprehensions

beautiful feature

absurdly long lines are just beautiful

-# until i have to actually unravel it

[olive sable]

i actually toned down the amount of list comprehension in my code cuz it needs to be fast

[trim valve]

I can't imagine what a formatter would do to your code

[knotty current]

butchered

[trim valve]

it'd probably be pretty brutal

[knotty current]

i turn it off

[olive sable]

[knotty current]

they are still for loops after all

and those kinda suck

[trim valve]

https://play.ruff.rs/ sam shove that into this

I wanna see the mess it makes

[olive sable]

like my entire code?

[knotty current]

[olive sable]

sure

[trim valve]

I was mostly meaning the bit in the screenshot

but the whole thing could work too lol

[knotty current]

oh dear a linter

[trim valve]

then this to format it

[knotty current]

i dont use either a linter nor a formatter

only a type checker

[trim valve]

I just let ruff have its way

[knotty current]

i used to do that until i discovered the joys of chaining and absurd lines

[olive sable]

"do not use bare except"
how do i fix that?

[trim valve]

meh don't think too hard about it

[knotty current]

screenshot?

[trim valve]

its probably expecting you to do like

except Exception as _:

or ```python
except Exception as _ignored:

https://docs.astral.sh/ruff/rules/bare-except/

[olive sable]

ok

damn, the formattor really butchered my code

https://play.ruff.rs/c812c8fc-5b91-4aef-8bd8-a0790ebc8ac6

[stark needle]

bad morning

[knotty current]

i mean, the dicts arent really butchered per say

[trim valve]

honestly not as bad as it could be

[knotty current]

i havent found a butchered list comprehension in the few lines i scrolled yet

[olive sable]

the link itself is just my original code, you need to press format on your end apparently

[hoary lion]

https://tenor.com/view/phone-fish-gif-650420018520809281

[knotty current]

i did

[olive sable]

👌

[knotty current]

yea

some lists are actually butchered

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

idk I can't complain, that's how I would write it

[knotty current]

and this

if (
                    all(
                        localBoundingBox[0][2 * i] < 0 < localBoundingBox[1][2 * i]
                        for i in range(2)
                    )
                    and localBoundingBox[1][1] < 1
                ):

just WHY (ignore the tabs, i copied it straight over)

[olive sable]

all(

honesltly i need to fix some of this code quite badly

[trim valve]

tbh the biggest reason I prefer autoformatting everything is because I never have to think about what my code looks like

most of the time it gives an output that's readable enough

even if I don't 100% agree with the style

[knotty current]

@olive sable do u use a type checker?

[olive sable]

kinda

just vscode stuff

[knotty current]

oh

mhmnotscuffed

[hoary lion]

anti python types committee

[knotty current]

no

smh i prefer static typed python

i had enough type errors

[hoary lion]

jk

ofc python should have types

follow uv

[knotty current]

i just refactored my old type unsafe spaghetti monster and oh boy was it bad

at least it is done now

with 30% less code and 60% less api calls

[olive sable]

the most fps i could get before was 3K, and then i added shadow mapping bringing it down to 500
since then i have improved performance enough to get 1k with shadow mapping.
and due to those performance improvements i can now get 4k fps without shadow mapping

under specific circumstances tho

[knotty current]

numpy black magic at this point

[opaque sigil]

huh

[olive sable]

4K fps is 0.25ms per frame, pretty cool

[opaque sigil]

How

[olive sable]

i need to reformat my spaghetti code now

[opaque sigil]

Ruff my beloved

[hoary lion]

we all love lint

[olive sable]

nah

ill do it myself

[hoary lion]

[knotty current]

screw linters

[hoary lion]

rip

[tender river]

???

[knotty current]

i love my absurdly long chains

[olive sable]

i mostly meant putting things into seperate functions, cuz an __init__() thats more than 200 lines long is kinda mental

[knotty current]

i feel like there is probably worse

but 200 lines is still insane

[olive sable]

true, but i need this code to be idk the word

"overzichtelijk" in dutch

gimme a min

there isnt a 1 to 1 translation, but organised or so

[knotty current]

makes sense

[gleaming harness]

I thought it would be funny if i gave ai a vr headset using driver4vr and oh god what have i done 😭

[amber fractal]

Who needs linters, they stop me from doing funny code

[gleaming harness]

THE LITTLE KIDS IN GTAG HAVE TAUGHT IT TOO MUCH

[prime ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/my-boy-massacred-godfather-marlan-brando-look-gif-13993325

#1378232443223408651

[amber fractal]

Honestly I was half expecting it

[scarlet arch]

I mean vanor is right.

[prime ridge]

How is creating a mini-local neuro not neuro related?

it is neuro

[scarlet arch]

Well that's the thing. It's not?

[sour lotus]

but at the same time it is?

[scarlet arch]

It's a separate project. Similar to what I'm working on, but I'd never put it in the #1336777692070023271 thing ya know

[sour lotus]

oooooh

[scarlet arch]

I understand why it's confusing tho

[sour lotus]

im 95% always confused

so nothing new

I wing most of my life

[scarlet arch]

Everyone does. Don't let them tell you otherwise

[opaque sigil]

I don't (I do)

[amber fractal]

I have never winged anything in my life (this is a lie)

[noble zodiac]

I am not a bird so I dont wing things

I leg them

[sour lotus]

also cake is the ultimate lie

I will cling to my old gamer references till the day I die

[noble zodiac]

zoomers wouldnt even get that reference anymore

[sour lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/npc-behavior-be-like-gif-10607292567092564523

[amber fractal]

[scarlet arch]

I have a "Aperture Laboratories" sticker on my car. I get ya man.

[sour lotus]

Want

lol

[amber fractal]

try gen alpha, zoomers still know portal

[prime ridge]

true

[sour lotus]

accurate? For my keyword bucket? lol

vedal: [
"vedal",
"our overlord vedal",
"praise vedal",
"thank you vedal",
"vedal pls",
"that’s so vedal-core",
"classic vedal moment",
"we blame vedal for this",
"vedal is watching",
"vedal save us",
"the great vedal",
/(?:hail|praise|thank)\s+vedal\b/i,
/vedal\s+(pls|please|help|save\s+us|blessed\s+this)/i,
/that['’]s\s+so\s+vedal\b/i,
/we\s+(blame|thank)\s+vedal\b/i
],

[noble zodiac]

?

[amber fractal]

? regex moment

[prime ridge]

not regex

[sour lotus]

I captures keyword buckets, yar, it picks up on conversations and pushes a specifcic pill

[prime ridge]

actually is it?

[sour lotus]

Im using chatgpt to help me build a regex (js) plus other words also pulled from NRC Emotion Lexicon docs

[noble zodiac]

no one ever said hail vedal

and no one should

[sour lotus]

good points

glad im checking

hail caesar,etc, but its such an old term, so not sure why this would even recommend it

I only once read it in Asterix & Obelix

Now to take 31 emotional buckets and add keyword weight to each of those

sentiment analysis is funnnnn

[olive sable]

im insulted

you think we dont know portal?

well, the younger gen Z people dont, but the older ones do

[noble zodiac]

some zoomer were 5 when portal came out

[gritty dust]

You suck I know it dummy

[olive sable]

what?

[prime ridge]

Then again, some zoomer wern't even born when minecraft was made

[gritty dust]

I'm a young gen z

[prime ridge]

doesn't mean we don't know mc

[noble zodiac]

just like I would bet a lot of people wouldn't get the first sentence of Neuromancer anymore

[olive sable]

i mean, i was a couple of months old when portal came out, but i sill played it

[gritty dust]

I played portal when I was like 4 or 5 I think

[amber fractal]

I haven't played portal

[olive sable]

could anyone translate this?

[gritty dust]

[olive sable]

it it just meant to be an insult or am i missing something?

[noble zodiac]

who knows

[gritty dust]

I was teasing

[olive sable]

ah

[noble zodiac]

classic zoomer humor

[gritty dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067721041830494239/1348528703331762258/fuckyou.gif

[amber fractal]

As violently american I got the tone fast

strange to be up this early

[sour lotus]

I rmeember buying the alpha minecraft

[faint sandal]

[stark needle]

chabgbb

[sour lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-girl-middle-finger-mood-screw-you-leave-me-alone-gif-12370831691995374617

[tight tinsel]

bwaagpt

[olive sable]

im too young for alpha minecraft era, but i do remember ps2 startup sound

[prime ridge]

ofc

[amber fractal]

I only know ps2 due to memes

[olive sable]

while all my friends had ps4's i had a ps2

[gritty dust]

I was 5 when my dad got me Minecraft

[amber fractal]

wii household

[prime ridge]

had ps2,ps3,and ps4 as well as wii, wiiu, and switch

[olive sable]

we started with a wii, and then i asked my mom for a ps4 one day and got a ps2

[prime ridge]

even the n64 actually too

[stark needle]

i played minecraft for the first time on the iphone 4 of my dad

[gritty dust]

I had a PC, a PC, and a PC

[amber fractal]

sibling swears we had gamecube with sm64

[olive sable]

i had minecraft first on a smasnug galaxy tab S2

[prime ridge]

not me with the blackberry

[gritty dust]

I had Minecraft on a PC

[sour lotus]

ps2
Should have bought 2

[knotty current]

you guys had minecraft?

[amber fractal]

MC was on Macbook here (pc)

[gritty dust]

I was 4 when I got my first PC and got Minecraft on it when I was 5 after begging my dad

[olive sable]

for a tablet released in 2015 the specs hold up pretty well
1536 x 2048 pixels, 4:3 ratio (~264 ppi density)

super amoled

[gritty dust]

fancy

[amber fractal]

Tablet was a galaxy s4, so smartphone size

[stark needle]

thats crazy

my first tablet was an ipad 2

we are at ipad 10 or 11 today

[gritty dust]

I never had a tablet, my dad called them pointless lol

[olive sable]

my brother had an ipad air, and my other brother an ipad 2 mini. both were slow as shit

[stark needle]

my dad buys all the random shit

he literally owns

one of those digital brain interfaces thingies to control basic stuff with ur brain

lmao

[gritty dust]

My dad works for the government of Canada so they just gave him a bunch of windows PCs for free with GPUs so... yay

[amber fractal]

Dang it I want one of those

[olive sable]

arent those worth thousands?

[stark needle]

yea

he bought it in 2016 or something lol

[olive sable]

shadow is a richkid fr fr

[gritty dust]

I know right

[stark needle]

i mean ye but i dont live with my dad

[olive sable]

[gritty dust]

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

i cant really talk tbh, im also high middle class

[gritty dust]

Same lol

[amber fractal]

I am high lower class

[knotty current]

i have no idea what class i am

[amber fractal]

If you own not an apartment you are at lest middle mhm

[olive sable]

if you have a swimming pool or multiple properties, you're at least high middle class

[gritty dust]

Yoo same

[stark needle]

i know a guy his dad bought him a tesla model s for his 18th birthday

[gritty dust]

pool go brr

[knotty current]

-# dunno if i really should say this here but im 14

[olive sable]

are we just flexing now?

[gritty dust]

Yes king

🧎‍♂️‍➡️

[amber fractal]

I can't flex wealth

[gritty dust]

I'm 15 so I can't say much

[olive sable]

you can flex your gpu's i guess iggly

[amber fractal]

[stark needle]

dunno if i really should say this here but im 371 yo

[knotty current]

that is a big flex

[amber fractal]

But no, they still suck compared to single 3090

[olive sable]

ah

so shadow and i outrank you

we need to set up a gofundme for iggly

[stark needle]

more like my dad

[amber fractal]

Do not

[stark needle]

whee i live we are basically in poverty

[olive sable]

oh ye, switserland expensive

[knotty current]

how does a Ryzen 7, 64 G RAM, and Radeon 780M gpu (integrated) compare to you guys?

[gritty dust]

where are you samvanmaele if you don't mind me asking

[tender river]

i really wanted an openbci kit as a kid but they're super expensive

[olive sable]

belgium

[gritty dust]

I got a 4070, 32gb ddr4, ryzen 5 5600x

[olive sable]

i have a 5950x, 3090 and 64GB 3600mhz
Along with another system im trying to sell 5700g 3060ti 16GB 3200mhz

[knotty current]

madge

[gritty dust]

Nice broo

[knotty current]

cant even run ROCM

[gritty dust]

What do you used your gpu for? games or coding or sm

[olive sable]

i do gamedev, and im eventually gonna do llm/NN stuff

[knotty current]

i accidentally made my rice too flashy so it takes up like 20% - 70%

[gritty dust]

I do vision AI and rendering, I haven't gotten into LLM too much haha

[amber fractal]

Oh boy, time to play this fun game of system specs

[knotty current]

lets not

[tight tinsel]

are we going vram for vram

[olive sable]

iggly has a whole list

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

p40's or whatever it was

[gritty dust]

[amber fractal]

Imma do it anyways, no one can stop me

[gritty dust]

yo btw which Linux OS is the most lightweight and can do C++ and python on it, I mean super lightweight less than 1gb ram preferably

[tender river]

its not the distro that matters its the DE (or lack thereof)

realistically you'd want any distro with XFCE

unless you wanna go down the WM route

and C++ and python are easy on any linux distro

[knotty current]

few days ago i did a debian server minimal install, 900 MB for the system itself

[rough bloom]

not even with HSA_OVERRIDE_GFX_VERSION=11.0.0 ?
it's RDNA 3 so it should at least somewhat work

[knotty current]

i dont think it supports IGPUs at all

[amber fractal]

laptop 1: gtx980m (insert cpu) 40gb ram
laptop 2: rtx3060 (insert cpu) 32gb ram
laptop 3: framework 13 i7 gen 12, 32gb ram
laptop 4: 2 in 1 laptop (unknown specs)
mini pc: N100 16gb ram
Unused:
P40 x4
framework 13, 11 gen 8gb ram x3
random ahh laptop x1
random past phone x3

[tender river]

C++ on linux is heaven compared to C++ on windows (though admittedly i haven't developed C++ on windows in ages)

[gritty dust]

gotcha because I'm programming a rover right now that uses raspberry pi's and a Jetson nano to run

[rough bloom]

it does
they only have official support for a few GPUs but most newer ones should work, including iGPUs

[knotty current]

huh

[amber fractal]

@olive sable xdx

[knotty current]

well its been a while since i last attempted to install rocm

failed miserably on ubuntu linux

i might try another time if i need to do ML stuff again

[tender river]

oh but you dont even need a DE then

[olive sable]

ngl i would sell half of that.
no way you need 3 unused frameworks

[gritty dust]

I know

[amber fractal]

It's more like I've been waiting on parts to use it, as well as space

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

I'm missing drives for the boards (lack of sata support hurts)

[tender river]

just use whatever's supported like raspbian

[gritty dust]

yeah I guess

[opaque sigil]

llvm thankfully makes life a lot easier if you don't need a ton of windows specific stuff

[amber fractal]

btw this doesn't include the worst part
||4x thunderbolt egpu dock||

[opaque sigil]

wait hold up

i thought you had a single p40

but you have 4???

[amber fractal]

yeah

[opaque sigil]

did they come together as a deal or something

[amber fractal]

nope, I plead past me being stupid

[opaque sigil]

[amber fractal]

Don't you just love p40s being $400+USD, that's double the price I paid for them.

[opaque sigil]

just sell them

[amber fractal]

I'm considering it as well as the egpu docks

Not sure what I would do with the cash tho

[olive sable]

car?

[amber fractal]

driveway is full, plus I can't drive

[olive sable]

ah

well then idk

house

[amber fractal]

[opaque sigil]

they take EPS connectors apparently, i don't think that has the same pinout as pcie on the psu side does it

[amber fractal]

EPS is also known as cpu connector

[opaque sigil]

on top of sucking up 1kW on their own

yeah

but you don't have 4 on your average psu

[amber fractal]

Past me was planning on manually converting such

[olive sable]

i love chimerical colours.
do you ever just want your eyes to gaslight you into seeing shit cuz its tired

[amber fractal]

real

[olive sable]

its like, it isnt physically posseble for an object to have that colour, yet you can see it cuz of your eyes doing weird neuron shit

[amber fractal]

only time you'll ever see red

[tight tinsel]

colours exist for the thing itself but not the bg

[olive sable]

idk, like i do see red but its just not the same as yall

[amber fractal]

ik what you mean, I was more refering to red and green being uncouppled despite that's not how random neuron activations work

[olive sable]

ah

my eyes basicly do
R = R
G = 0.8*G + 0.2*R
B = B

[amber fractal]

Most incorrect color correction code

[olive sable]

thats just how my eyes work ye

so 255,0,0 becomes 255,51,0

[noble zodiac]

huh, my wm just broke after a system update. Thats fun

[amber fractal]

Not even the WMs are immune to breaking

if it is i3 then I have words to ask

[noble zodiac]

it looks more like virtualbox not playing nicely with something

[amber fractal]

mistake #1 is using virtualbox

jokes mostly aside, sucks to hear it is breaking the install

[noble zodiac]

eh, my workflow is all in the terminal anyway. I dont need a wm

[amber fractal]

better than logging into each tty

unless the much more sane option of tmux

Linux nerds when they try to bind something to Shift + Ctrl + F1-12

Don't ask how I learned this

[gritty dust]

what's peoples favorite program they've made btw

[olive sable]

game-engine V3

im calling it V3 not because its finished, but because each game-jam i do +1

[amber fractal]

This one is hard geez

[gritty dust]

Is it just your own custom game engine I assume

[olive sable]

yep

[gritty dust]

that's cool af holy

[amber fractal]

If it wasn't programming only I would have said neuro game jam 2

I did no programming during that so it doesn't count

[noble zodiac]

ha, fixed it

[amber fractal]

I would have to say my favorite programming project is system config (nix moment)

It just allows me to have a lot of fun without worry, like experimenting with usbip.

[nocturne olive]

LLMs are not worth it anyway
-# Get into vvocal synthesis instead, I really like vocal synthesis

[amber fractal]

most unbiased statement in programming history

[nocturne olive]

Silliness

[gritty dust]

Lol

[noble zodiac]

is it time for the hourly schedule ad already?

got to fill the quota

[amber fractal]

idk, I'm new to this timezone

I don't normally wake up at a reasonable time

[olive sable]

i have to cuz school

[gritty dust]

same, but it's the weekend rn

[olive sable]

in 2 weeks ill have exams and after those ill be set free

[gritty dust]

yooo finally another person with exams at the same time as me

[olive sable]

that being said, ill probably have to take a break from the game-engine to study

[amber fractal]

My weekly routine:
Suffer x7

[nocturne olive]

-# Did you see that I was retuning Bugs yet?

[noble zodiac]

wm working again 😌 System idling at a cool 250mb memory

[tender river]

its the last day of the month, 23:10

perfect time to pay for the next month of internet

[worldly plank]

WM=Window Manager, VM= Virtual Machine

[amber fractal]

Yeah the WM broke on their system

[noble zodiac]

that is what those abbreviations mean, yes

[olive sable]

i kinda have graphics settings now, basicly: just shadows off, shadows on but only rendered once, shadows rendered each frame

[amber fractal]

Will the pause menu ever be fixed

[olive sable]

it is fixed

i think

ye it is

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

never really fixed it intentionally but along the way it unfucked

[noble zodiac]

accidental fixes are the bset

[olive sable]

i do have the problem where its 3500-4000fps when playing normally, and 5fps when trying to record it

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

fuck it, leaves behind shadow

[amber fractal]

Goodbye shadow_lilac (real)

[noble zodiac]

you say low framerate, I say stop motion slowmo

[olive sable]

its not meant to be like that bwaa

[nocturne olive]

Using too much VRAM?

Or recording on the wrong GPU?

[olive sable]

the program only uses 800mb of vram

totalling the system used vram to 3.5/24GB

and this pc doesnt have another gpu so thats not an issue either

[nocturne olive]

Not even an iGPU?

[olive sable]

nope

5950x

[nocturne olive]

Is it recording at so much quality the disk is maxed?

[olive sable]

might be cpu related, since it also lags my youtube tab

[olive sable]

lemme see

no

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[olive sable]

under a MB of write

[nocturne olive]

I wonder if it's just the capture method being inefficient then somehow

[olive sable]

its probably just gamebar being shit

[nocturne olive]

So you're capturing with something that isn't OBS?

[olive sable]

just win+alt+R

obs is probably better but a pain to set up

[nocturne olive]

Then we can call that a classic Microsoft skill issue

[flat warren]

hey guys! I'm not a programmer but I made this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt6BYcKmB8Y
This is only a proof of concept
I can't develop it any further but I'm willing to give Vedal the code if he is interested in doing so himself
It was a learning project but I think it could be great that something like this existed

[olive sable]

what are you using for the TTS?

[flat warren]

Elevenlabs

[olive sable]

i think superbox might be able to help with making it sound more like neuro if you want

he does RVC stuff

[flat warren]

oh! never heard about it

i thought vedal used Azure's TTS

I went with Elevenlabs bc the API is user friendly

[olive sable]

im not sure how it all works myself, but for the game-jam i let superbox handle evrything

[flat warren]

oh that's amazing

[olive sable]

for a non-programmer your extension does look pretty good

im impressed

[flat warren]

thank you so much! 🙂

[nocturne olive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jWOyIcKz98
Here's a better example of the voice accuracy I can get

[faint sandal]

am i going insane or is the SoundCloud settings page not loading at all

[prime ridge]

This is custom?

[olive sable]

yes

for game-jam 2

[prime ridge]

That's insane

[nocturne olive]

Yeah, it's not inferenced with Azure

[olive sable]

we may have gotten 1st place in the sound category

i dont mean to brag, but i am bragging tho

[opaque sigil]

just checked and it won't load for me either (though it might be blocked by dns i didn't bother)

[nocturne olive]

It was fun
-# And hopefully NeuroSynth will get it to us a second time

[olive sable]

i am def palnning on going a similair direction for game-jam 3

we'll see

[amber fractal]

I do hope we at least get 2 for 2 in audio

[olive sable]

same

[nocturne olive]

Well, NeuroSynth technology will definitely allow some more flexibility

[silk spoke]

Is here someone who could teach me a bit Java Script in HTML?

[olive sable]

probably, not me tho

[amber fractal]

!vanish

[olive sable]

game-engine should eb a lot better too by then. mobile support is hopefully going to happen

[nocturne olive]

Good stuff

[prime ridge]

oh you worked with Superbox?

[olive sable]

lemme just

here

[prime ridge]

jeeez

[amber fractal]

We were stacked

[nocturne olive]

I did some silliness

[flat warren]

impressive results @nocturne olive

and an amazing video too

[nocturne olive]

You checked out Machine love?

[flat warren]

yes beautiful

[silk spoke]

from what is this?

[open seal]

Machine Love Kasane Teto?

[olive sable]

game jam 2

[prime ridge]

I never knew it was made by the #programming guys

[olive sable]

https://itch.io/jam/neuro/rate/3213324

[amber fractal]

That's not machine love credits

[prime ridge]

ah ok

[amber fractal]

But superbox did do the somg

[nocturne olive]

Machine love started in #programming funnily enough, but most people are not from #programming

The MV that is

[olive sable]

did i make it confusing

[nocturne olive]

That's where someone found the idea and we united to make it

But yeah, Machine love is my cover

[olive sable]

you reacted to the dialogue so i thought we were on the same page about the convo topic

my bad

[nocturne olive]

Can't wait to use the next game jam as a NeuroSynth ad showcase

[amber fractal]

Just as the current year was a Neuro RVC showcase

[olive sable]

at this point the game-jam is there for us to put stuff on our CV

[nocturne olive]

Neuro RVC version 12 was released quite recently and is already gonna be obsolete soon at this rate

[prime ridge]

I somehow broke the game lol

[amber fractal]

classic

[olive sable]

that just means you've done a great job at developing the tech

[olive sable]

the game-code is actual garbage

im thinking of doing a remaster soon

[nocturne olive]

Neuro RVC V12 is essentially a byproduct of the NeuroSynth dataset remake

[amber fractal]

Garbage is putting it too highly

[prime ridge]

damn yall cooked tho ngl

graphics and music is really nice

[nocturne olive]

Did you get to the ending yet?

[amber fractal]

Wait until the end

[prime ridge]

it broke

might play it on my pc

[nocturne olive]

Oh yeah
Try restart it

[prime ridge]

alr ima play it and i'll lyk what I think

[olive sable]

are you playing on phone?

[nocturne olive]

The ending is peak, you're absolutely gonna want to see it

[amber fractal]

[prime ridge]

laptop

[olive sable]

it should work then

what broke?

[prime ridge]

I couldn't even see the whole screen

only vedals jiggle physics was in my face

like took up 90% of the entire screen

it was def cropped

[olive sable]

does your laptop happen to be 720p?

[prime ridge]

not 720

it's a bit of a weird res

it's fine ima play it on my 1080p monitor

[nocturne olive]

Are you using scaling?

[amber fractal]

720p version time xdx

[prime ridge]

no

[nocturne olive]

I mean Windows side scaling

Laptops often have display scaling != 100%

[amber fractal]

@olive sable I know you made one

[prime ridge]

it was full screened

[tender river]

its 23:58 and i'm really starting to think i should pay for next month's internet

[nocturne olive]

And that likes to break things

[olive sable]

true, idk where i put it tho

[amber fractal]

worse case I know where a source code dump is

[nocturne olive]

Check Windows display settings

[olive sable]

this doesnt work?

the entrer fullscreen button?

[prime ridge]

it's fine on on pc now lemme retry

it's def my laptop's fault anyway

[amber fractal]

Deciding to switch songs for no partiular reason

[olive sable]

nah, i want the engine to be compatibel with lots of platforms. this needs to be adressed for V3 imo

[tender river]

(i did it but it probably wouldn't immediately disappear either way)

[nocturne olive]

My guess is Windows scaling

[prime ridge]

oh wow it actually works

[nocturne olive]

Things really hate rendering at the right resolutions with Windows scaling being not 100%

[olive sable]

hearing the game's audio is actually really nostalgic now

[amber fractal]

100%

[olive sable]

i havent listened to it since the last bugfix cuz i got burned out on it, but revisiting it im really happy with it

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

the cameracollision certainly has its issues sometimes

[olive sable]

POV:

[prime ridge]

this is very difficult

[olive sable]

mostly due to the bugs i guess

[amber fractal]

This isn't game jam 1 where hard games had bonus points

[prime ridge]

this minigame feels impossible

unless im just doing it wrong

[amber fractal]

Is it the filter

[olive sable]

which one?

[prime ridge]

the singing one

[olive sable]

the audio samples you mean?

[prime ridge]

yes

[amber fractal]

We did not do a good job at mentioning you can click them

[olive sable]

thats def the most scuffed minigame

[prime ridge]

no ik I can clicke them

I just don't know what im supposed to do

I just put a sample on the red

and it's gone now

[olive sable]

drag the good ones (not scratchy) to the green, and the bad one (scratchy) to red

they're supposed to dissapear

[prime ridge]

oh whoops

binned a good one

[olive sable]

should respwan

didnt make a failcondition in that minigame due to the scuffednes

[nocturne olive]

Fun fact: those samples are authentic samples from the Neuro RVC V11 dataset

Some edited to make them scratchy though

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

Meanwhile the filter minigame has a small amount of cheese

[olive sable]

mayhaps

🧀

3rd minigame is my fav tho

[amber fractal]

3rd is my favorite as well

[olive sable]

still has screenspace transform scuff, but im happy with how it turned out

[prime ridge]

oh nice

I finished the game

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

[prime ridge]

the only scuffed part was when I was walking as vedal

I couldn't move the camera

[olive sable]

oh

[prime ridge]

barely at least

it kept making me look at the ceiling

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

ye its not zoom scrollwheel based, it just does collision with the room

idk why it made you look at the ceiling tho

[prime ridge]

not sure either

[amber fractal]

Classic linux issue (real)

[olive sable]

fr a linux issue? fuck

[amber fractal]

I know some of the earlier engine builds had that error

[olive sable]

true

[prime ridge]

it would be cool if Evil was explaining the audio sample minigame in a scratchy audio voice

kinda like how she explained the vision game

[amber fractal]

Audio was added last, kind of a mass panic

[olive sable]

it was supposed to be like that iirc, just had masive rush issues

[amber fractal]

ironic considering what the focus was

[prime ridge]

1 hr before deadline 😵‍💫

[amber fractal]

[nocturne olive]

Do you like the ending?

[prime ridge]

Yeah

[olive sable]

more like it was finished 50min after original deadline

[amber fractal]

1hr before ending had much diffrerent issues

[nocturne olive]

Entirely custom song with Neuro RVC and Evil RVC tech by the way

[prime ridge]

if you had more time, adding a rythm game thing for the ending woulda been really cool

[amber fractal]

Still can't believe that was finished on day 2

[prime ridge]

I assumed so

[nocturne olive]

The song was a total speedrun

[olive sable]

haav you seen this code?

[prime ridge]

that's insane

[amber fractal]

It was, I never thought of decent lyrics that quickly

[nocturne olive]

Next time we may do the same but with NeuroSynth tech instead

[prime ridge]

atp everything I ever seen probably has some ties to #programming

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth is the future of community Neuro singing

[amber fractal]

Not almost everyone on the team being an active member of #programming

[prime ridge]

when is the full release expected?

[olive sable]

you mean of neurosynth?

[amber fractal]

I assume neurosynth

[nocturne olive]

Whenever we finish NeuroSynth-1.0 (English on organic Neuro data)

As of now all NeuroSynth models have used synthetic datasets

Ones made with Neuro RVC

[olive sable]

why does
self.depthshaders = [[shaderDepth(np.concatenate(entity[1].vertexDataList)), entity[0].transformMat] for entity in self.entities.values()]
not store
entity[0].transformMat]
as a pointer?

[maiden geyser]

is it stupid?

[olive sable]

idk

[amber fractal]

pointers? in my python code?

[olive sable]

so i should just do the .transformMat when i need it then?

[tender river]

transformMat is probably a property rather than a field

[olive sable]

def __init__(self, position, size, eulers= [0,0,0]):
        
  self.position = np.array(position, dtype=np.float32)
  self.eulers = np.array(eulers, dtype=np.float32)
  self.size = size

  self.transformMat = np.identity(4)
  self.transformMat[0:3,0:3] = create_from_eulers(self.eulers)
  self.transformMat[3,0:3] = position

looks like this on the entity side

[tender river]

ah, you want that thing to change when you change entity[0].transformMat?

in that case the thing is it copies the same reference that entity[0].transformMat uses, but when you set entity[0].transformMat you actually create a new reference that points to a different object

nah you can do it in python

using pointers would realistically break everything without the understanding

[prime ridge]

Python also stores everything on heap

so a lotta pointers under the hood

[stark needle]

i have appeared to destroy the universe

[tender river]

please wait i haven't finished my LSP impl

[gritty dust]

yooo holy I got my vision code working for pathfinding in 3d space I am a fricking godddd

[amber fractal]

I need to get to bed before the universe is destroyed, I can't be this eepy when time ends

[ebon basin]

I just finished my 4th the classic one . ASTAR, ASTAR Bidrectional, ThetaSTAR, ThetaSTAR multi threaded

[noble zodiac]

Trying to debug lazy evaluated code is a nightmare

[tender river]

just add traces everywhere

[noble zodiac]

which would also be lazy

[tender river]

depends on what you trace

you can rewrite it with & for now

[faint sandal]

what the hell is twitter doing man

it's been like this for days

[ebon basin]

aren't you need to pay for Twitters API?

[faint sandal]

this is directly on their website...

ok i figured out what the problem is...

you need twitter blue...

instead of telling you that

it just throws an error

what the hell is this design

the moment i got twitter blue it went from 500 to 200

[stark needle]

hblang for IBM Power6 cpus when??

[noble zodiac]

sigterm is a random number?

sure but why would it resolve it to sigterm

[olive sable]

makes me think of this lmao
https://youtu.be/X8pVYkNJ2wI?si=Zwn3vnSfl76V_fqV&t=45

[tender river]

because a certain return value corresponds to being terminated with SIGTERM

[stark needle]

smh my dream to run hblang on a 2007 IBM power 570 9117-MMA Power6 HPC system

[noble zodiac]

ohh I thought it was printed. nvm then

ya kids and your fancy terminals

[tender river]

who needs io anyway

(me)

i'm working on a json deserializer what a thankless task

and then microsoft is like

i'd just grep -R getrandom /usr/include | grep unistd

[noble zodiac]

I will never not cat | grep even though I know better

its ingrained

[tender river]

no its convenient when you're constructing the chain on the fly and dont know what you're gonna type yet

but grep pattern file can be changed to grep -R pattern directory

or grep pattern some/dir/*.txt

oh i forgot json floats exists

actually no they dont exist and i dont have to support them.

[limpid osprey]

can anyone recommend resources for learning functional programming and which programming language to choose for it?

[tender river]

read pins

personally i recommend either SICP or https://courses.cs.cornell.edu/cs3110/2021sp/textbook/

[maiden geyser]

C++

[noble zodiac]

SICP is great

[tender river]

https://sarabander.github.io/sicp/html/

[limpid osprey]

I wont be sitting on cpp after golang

[tender river]

i think this is a good skeleton

i wonder if i can implement monads in hblang

[limpid osprey]

i have seen that you have discussed this language a lot, what is its philosophy

[tender river]

hblang? its basically a language that compiles to hbvm which is a vm spec custom made for ableos, a operating system written from scratch that konii can tell you more about

i'm slowly working on an lsp for hblang written in hblang itself

the language is mostly similar to zig

i.e. basically C but with comptime evaluation for constructing types and code

[dense cosmos]

-# but y tho

[olive sable]

wy not?

[tender river]

fun and probably other stuff but for me i like langdev so i volunteered to implement an lsp since thats an area i dont know much about

[olive sable]

code doesnt have display out on web now

why must there always be issues in webgl?

ah, one of me performance improvements borked it

[tender river]

hblang is a pretty conventional language and i like working on unconventional languages but i realized that it wouldnt hurt to get experience working on some conventional languages too

[olive sable]

python is a conventional language, my game engine is pretty normal actually

[nocturne olive]

At least it's probably better optimized than UE5

[olive sable]

UE5 has some major problems

[tender river]

fork bomb in hblang

[olive sable]

half of it is people not knowing how to properly use it, the other half is pushing stupid features like nanite.
fuck nanite, all my homies hate nanite

[opaque sigil]

legitimate question, what's wrong with nanite

[olive sable]

nanite is LOD for lazy people who dont want to make actual LOD, and just want to put all the strain on your CPU

[trim valve]

imo nanite can be fine a lot of people just don't know how to use it

[olive sable]

yep

[trim valve]

iirc there are specific "styles" of geometry that just suck for nanite

[olive sable]

bad topology is just bad topoly ye

you want to avoid small triangles
so left and middle are fine, right is bad

[opaque sigil]

i seeeeee

[trim valve]

well yes but iirc its not quite that simple for nanite meshes

[olive sable]

im pretty sure that nanite also merges meshes dynamically, so its fine for batching drawcalls

you just need to use it properly

[trim valve]

iirc I remember seeing something against strip but I don't really remember it

[olive sable]

https://youtu.be/hf27qsQPRLQ?si=D6vHAWJuem0GJo3N&t=708

this video is pretty good

i shoudl have added a timestamp

[trim valve]

https://youtu.be/jNR5EiqA05c?t=439

basically the same point I think

[olive sable]

i thinks so ye

[rigid snow]

but you did

[olive sable]

i meant that it should be timestamped, but i coudlnt check cuz of ads

[tender river]

wikipedia is so annoying sometimes
"here's an article about concurrent data structures, btw this is how java implements a concurrent hashmap, but in rust you can just use Mutex<HashMap<>>"
"you can use a GC or automatic reference counting for memory safety, but zig uses option types"

THESE ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS

[opaque sigil]

zig mentioned

[rigid snow]

the virus is spreading

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

the virus must spread

[ebon basin]

uiiii yeah pathing calculation takes ... 1 ms

[olive sable]

1ms is finneeee

[tender river]

undecidable compilation
(no hate i do enjoy it and zig largely uses concepts that make sense, i thought about them myself before even touching zig and they made sense to me)

[ebon basin]

well before OG it took 10 xD I think I over optimzed the hell out of it