programming

[tender river]

well, if its disabled it wont get in there, probably, never hurts to check

just grep your binary for your class names (the ones with vtables)

[maiden geyser]

why is grep answer to everything

[tender river]

i have a lot of work at the moment (designing a p2p protocol at work) so you have a bit of time until i start working on it more

[scarlet arch]

And ripgrep if you want your search to be even faster :D

Also, good morning
It may be noon but such has to be expected when I'm on vacation haha

[tender river]

grep "thing im looking for" path

"we arent willing to call you for an interview" thats cool and all but how about you tell me the reasons no feedback smh

[scarlet arch]

The "AI" that read your résumé estimated your sentiment and figured you're not good enough of a drone that doesn't ask questions.

[amber fractal]

Aren't we all drones in the swarm?

[maiden geyser]

we are all soldiers and life is "lower backlight: on"

[tender river]

thats actually crazy

[worldly plank]

That's messed up

[rigid snow]

this tripped tf out of me, i use the exact same color scheme and the same font

first thought was "that's my screenshot surely"

[tender river]

thats how i felt when someone sent screenshots using my osu! skin

[scarlet arch]

Oh new profile pic. Cute

[dusky jackal]

@crystal frigate Hi I'm going to sleep so please ping me after this, and I'll reply back whenever I'm able to.

Yeah I'm aware of this one. She's pretty good and is definitely better than most, but she still tends to do those inhuman RP giggles maniacally sort of descriptions, and often sounds like a sassier, more natural ChatGPT 4.

She also often says typical LLM stuff like "Hello! I am ___ your friendly neighborhood streamer! Here to entertain and make new friends!" Which sounds straight up like ChatGPT.

It's hard to say what her memory is like from clips and a couple videos, so that aspect is hard to compare.

Still not at Neuro's and Evil's level honestly.

[ruby timber]

Thanks! Project sekai carrying as always

[tender river]

skill issue

(unironically, if you find it unreadable you dont have much fp experience)

thats true i like nix more since it has kv args

[ruby timber]

Just to make sure it's true

[tender river]

but it doesnt even matter here since you know that True True corresponds to az bz

i love nix

[scarlet arch]

ew ._.

Could probably use iterators :P

[tender river]

imperative brained people

[scarlet arch]

Pretty close

[opaque sigil]

[scarlet arch]

How do other libraries prevent this?

Or languages I guess

[ruby timber]

You pretty much can't

[scarlet arch]

Interesting. It's one of those unrepresentable values isn't it? Cause I wasn't sure what the issue here is. Classic floating point problems, or your code parser

Yeah it's why I don't like using it for precise things

[tender river]

if you dont like me at my

you dont deserve me at my

[scarlet arch]

Agreed

[ruby timber]

if 2+2 == 3? I'm reading this right?

[tender river]

yes

[olive sable]

[ruby timber]

(not so much the calculation more the syntax itself)

[ruby timber]

yay

[tender river]

except this is secretly lua

[tender river]

this code produces the following code:

[olive sable]

This is chayleafs super secret parallel universe dedector.
As soon as 2+2=3 we're fucked

[tender river]

but its better than lua because it has a rudimentary type system

[scarlet arch]

Could also be three bit flips by cosmic radiation, all happening in the exact same location as the same time

Am I dumb? From 4 to 3 you gotta flip 3 bits tho, no?

Ooooh

I'm not a smart man

[opaque sigil]

Now do base 2^32

[tender river]

and heres random code from F# neuro integration

[opaque sigil]

That doesn't seem too bad

[tender river]

it really isnt

[opaque sigil]

[tender river]

i lowkey like F# more than rust but i dont have a use for it

[tender river]

(also ew microsoft)

F# is a good language and so is Scala

because they take the good engineering of JVM/CLR and create a sane language on top of it

[opaque sigil]

Scala my beloved

[tender river]

oh yeah konii what kind of reflection si available in the language atm?

i want to use as much of it as possible because i'm a freak that cant be trusted with language features

i will not abuse this information

i assume you cant do anything with methods for now

and cant "dynamically" construct structs (add methods or fields to existing ones)

can you get field names?

i guess not

oh and most importantly, can you cast type to a unique ID?

great

i mean that doesnt guarantee that the same type maps to the same value

also you're looking at wrong code because "decimal" in this context is a type, not "decimal string representation"

if you want the real code, go here https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-internal-9.1201.0/docs/src/GHC.Internal.Float.html#floatToDigits
it says

-- Based on "Printing Floating-Point Numbers Quickly and Accurately"
-- by R.G. Burger and R.K. Dybvig in PLDI 96.
so here you go https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/249069.231397

i bet its too complex for you too though so yeah go implement something simpler

[faint sandal]

???

[tender river]

heres the alternative imperative code btw

fn shortestDecimalRep(a0: i32, b0: i32, c0: i32, acceptSmaller: bool, acceptLarger: bool, breakTieDown: bool) {
    let mut az = True;
    let mut bz = True;
    let mut a = a0;
    let mut b = b0;
    let mut c = if acceptLarger { c0 } else { c0 - 1 };
    let mut digit = 0;
    let mut i = 0;
    loop {
        let adz = a % 10 == 0;
        let isTie = digit == 5 && bz;
        let wantRoundDown = digit < 5 || (isTie && breakTieDown);
        let roundDown = (wantsRoundDown && (a != b || az)) || b + 1 > c;
        digit = b % 10;
        a /= 10;
        b /= 10;
        c /= 10;
        az &&= adz;
        bz &&= digit == 0;
        if !(a < c || (acceptSmaller && az)) {
            return (if roundDown { b } else { (b + 1) }, i);
        }
        i += 1;
    }
}

its really not that different

literally the same

[faint sandal]

it's allergic to the letter n and l

[tender river]

you should read SICP
NOW

yes

dont need unions when i have pointer casting

ok (but its good so you should anyway, it teaches programming, compilers, assembly, fp, oop, imperative programming, logic programming, all in one book)

most of sicp is the problems honestly

the chapters are short

[opaque sigil]

there's a javascript version now apparently

[tender river]

i mean it exists sure but like you have to be insane to think thats an improvement

i read excerpts from it and it tries to reimplement lisp concepts in javascript

so you'll end up following the same material in a language thats designed differently

which doesnt sound good

[opaque sigil]

sounds like a trip

[tender river]

it has stuff like this in the second chapter and it only progressively gets harder

you really wont spend much time reading

[opaque sigil]

proofs

though i guess induction is pretty comfy at least

[tender river]

wait what is $if cond: T = f32

oh thats the if syntax

i was confused because : is also used for type decls

so python-style if looks weird

yeah thats normal stuff

cursed idea

# Cargo.toml
# [...]
[dependencies]
# sha = "1" for sha1
sha = "256"

yes, the fact it is possible is the worst part

[noble zodiac]

I hate that

[tender river]

you can just publish different crate versions

write a python script

[stark needle]

hblang to python transpiler when

[tender river]

just because you can doesnt mean you should

[stark needle]

What is going on

Why did i become konii emote

[tender river]

assimilation

all shall become konii

i hope not too

[stark needle]

Why become konii

[tender river]

it includes compile unit in names?

i guess its not compile unit strictly speaking

[opaque sigil]

what's stopping you from stripping that off internally

[tender river]

on the bright side, it isnt the absolute path

oh and are two types generated by different functions equal if they have the same body?

if yes its a bit annoying, if no its a bit cursed

so they arent equal

thats funny

basically, the canonical type path is part of the type

what about if the function takes arguments but different arguments result in the same type body?

for consistency sake i hope it ends up being different types

um

both branches return 0

no i meant uh

main := fn(): uint {
    $if A(1) == A(2) return 0
    return 1
}
A := fn(a: uint): type return struct {}

i could run it myself but lazy

[dense cosmos]

            //Apply mutation
            switch (mutation) {
            case MutationType::AddSubnode:
                AddRandomSubnodeWithConnections(new_node);
                break;
            case MutationType::RemoveSubnode:
                RemoveRandomSubnode(new_node);
                break;
            case MutationType::AdjustWeight:
                AdjustRandomWeight(new_node);
                break;
            case MutationType::AddInputPort:
                new_node.ports.push_back(Node::PortType::Input);
                break;
            case MutationType::RemoveInputPort:
                RemoveRandomInputPort(new_node);
                break;
            case MutationType::AddOutputPort:
                new_node.ports.push_back(Node::PortType::Output);
                break;
            case MutationType::RemoveOutputPort:
                RemoveRandomOutputPort(new_node);
                break;
            case MutationType::CreateInputConnection:
                CreateRandomInputConnection(new_node);
                break;
            case MutationType::RemoveInputConnection:
                RemoveRandomInputConnection(new_node);
                break;
            case MutationType::CreateOutputConnection:
                CreateRandomOutputConnection(new_node);
                break;
            case MutationType::RemoveOutputConnection:
                RemoveRandomOutputConnection(new_node);
                break;
            case MutationType::CreateConnection:
                CreateRandomConnection(new_node);
                break;
            case MutationType::RemoveConnection:
                RemoveRandomConnection(new_node);
                break;
            default:
                throw std::exception("Error: Invalid mutation type!");
            }``` does this count as clean code

[tender river]

uh huh interesting

yeah thats the point

i guess worst case i'll just add the equivalent of PhantomData

[rough bloom]

could maybe make it shorter if written as a table containing the enum variants and lambdas, but short != clean
I think this version is fine

[dense cosmos]

Table? Oh, you mean like mapping each enum to a lambda

Huh

I didn't think of that

Maybe might use it in the future

[opaque sigil]

only problem i could see with that is finding a way to make sure it's still exhaustive (assuming you make those mapped mutations the default and keep the others as their own branch)

[tender river]

except it already doesnt check for exhaustiveness

[opaque sigil]

not at comptime i guess but it still gets caught at runtime at least

oh wait you can just throw the error if it's not in the table nvm i'm dumb

[tender river]

i mean its C++ so it wont if you just throw it into an array

but if you use an STL container like std::array or std::vector it's fine

probably

thats how many languages do it

including rust and haskell

if the programmer didnt want the program to crash maybe they should've checked their data first

konii you may have a small addiction

[opaque sigil]

thanks cppreference

better than go, i'll take it

[tender river]

iterators arent very useful by themselves but its good when you have iterator composition, i'm kinda worried about that one though because theres no pipes in the language

[opaque sigil]

i always forget how lovely reading through the STL is

[tender river]

it might just be the most unreadable code across all language implementations

[noble zodiac]

c++ templates are a hell of a drug

[tender river]

is .skip() a method on MemIterator (whatever its called) and .take() a method on Skip?

but Take isn't an Iterator

i see

basically separating the impl and the wrapper

thats about what i thought

[fast pagoda]

I like your highlighting colors lol

[tender river]

i dont like how blue most themes are

[fast pagoda]

Ohh I think I have that installed
I change theme every few days

[tender river]

yeah thats the approach i came to when i wondered how to do stuff like that without language support for mixins

[honest vapor]

hellooo I have some questions

I want to be a freelance web developer, but what technologies do people use? I know how to build full stack apps with laravel (blade views) or use spring boot backend + react front end, but should I learn next.js and node.js or something?

[noble zodiac]

people use something new every couple months

the web be like that

that being said just use what you like and know

[fast pagoda]

Use dart cuz I think it looks neat (haven't even tried to use it and you should not ask me)

[honest vapor]

what, flutter?

[tender river]

mine looks like this

[maiden geyser]

google web developer vacancies

[fast pagoda]

Two pieces of the same pie

[maiden geyser]

o algo

[fast pagoda]

Actually real

[stark needle]

Bald shylily looks crazy tho😭😭

[tender river]

my takeaway from this is that people use php and java and i'm scared

[rough bloom]

new large codebases are created in Java every day

[tender river]

3 billion people use java

or was it devices

[maiden geyser]

devices

[noble zodiac]

2.9 billion of them are unmaintained

[tender river]

i mean java runs on intel CPUs (as in, on the CPUs themselves) and in credit cards

so 3 billion is probably an understatement

[maiden geyser]

what?

[tender river]

you heard me.

[maiden geyser]

no, what's the source?

[tender river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Card

[maiden geyser]

isn't the only thing we know is that they run minix?

[rough bloom]

SIM cards too

[maiden geyser]

no, i mean intel cpus

[tender river]

https://github.com/skochinsky/papers/blob/master/2014-10 [Breakpoint] Intel ME - Two Years Later.pdf

[maiden geyser]

nowaying

[tender river]

i wont be satisfied until type at comptime is equivalent to [Object object] in javascript

(it basically already is that, just need functional ways of getting and setting methods and fields, functional because otherwise compiler developers are going to quit programming)

i'll implement the LSP and then see how hard it is to expand an LSP to a compiler

(LSP is basically a compiler without the codegen)

LSP is something immediately useful and i don't want to commit to anything huge right now, i want fast iteration to see what works and what doesnt

also with some ecall additions its probably possible to add debug mode with hot reloading

[tender river]

specifically the ability to suspend execution, inspect instruction pointer and registers and redirect them to the new code

rip hot reloading

i mean still possible with a userspace vm

i'll manage, as i said i'll just hack something temporary

i don't need good performance because surely i'll make a good lsp implementation that wont do a lot of recomputation on new keystrokes

i'll just have to add an ecall for filesystem access but even that is unnecessary in the beginning

also stdin and stdout is necessary but thats surely doable

in ableos theres no need to use the lsp protocol it can be included as an editor library

oh right i just remembered that i wanted field names for autogenerating json parsers

but its fine i can always hardcode it

mhm i think whats already there will be enough

if only there was someone with langdev experience

[noble zodiac]

those grow on trees I've heard

[tender river]

i wouldnt touch those trees if i were you

seems dangerous

[dusty niche]

print("hello world")

[tender river]

if there was a way to get method names you could

$if hasMethod(T, take) self.inner.take() else .(.(self, 0, end))

currently you can use type markers

HasTake = struct {}
// add HasTake as a field of iterator with take and check for the presence of HasTake in the field list in .take() impl

$if hasFieldType(T, HasTake) self.inner.take() else .(.(self, 0, end))

[stark needle]

lily

[hoary lion]

gm

[stark needle]

bm

[scarlet arch]

Anyone interested in ants? It's 5 workers now but I don't think I can post it anywhere here

[olive sable]

I like ants

[scarlet arch]

Hard to tell, but there's so many larvae waiting to grow still.

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

I have a free evening in 30min

[old totem]

c++ users wtf is this shit

int *(**(*x[][10]));

i thought i understood pointers

[maiden geyser]

replace ``` with ```cpp

[iron galleon]

well its difficult for me because i habe no experience with it

[maiden geyser]

```cpp
cppcode
```

bruv

[tender river]

https://fuckingfunctionpointers.com

[old totem]

oh it works

[maiden geyser]

https://cdecl.org

[old totem]

well i know how to dereference

but is the thing i gave actually used anywhere

[tender river]

typically you'd use more type aliases

[old totem]

i love the name of the site

[tender river]

the idea of C types is that declarations match patterns of dereference

so if you have a function pointer:

int (*function)(int, int);

then to get the result you do (*function)(5, 5)

or if you have a value int **a, then to get the int you do **a

[old totem]

well it does make sense

but is that readable

i feel like you use that shit if you put in a backdoor

[tender river]

again, thats what type aliases are for

[maiden geyser]

technically yes

i've heard you simply have to read them like first all the way to the right, then to the left

[old totem]

the way i see it if there is a * before something, that entire thing after is it the pointer object

i also didnt realize you could point to functions

[maiden geyser]

you can use tags as normal numbers

[tender river]

when thinking about how to type a type its easiest to think about how you'd access the underlying value

[maiden geyser]

Von-Neumann architecture supremacy

[tender river]

frick von neumann

[old totem]

does python have any of this shit

[maiden geyser]

no, because it's a high level language

[tender river]

python barely even has types

[old totem]

yeah my brain got fried when i tried to put an uninitizalied variable

[tender river]

high level doesnt mean lacking pointers or untyped

[maiden geyser]

i love Von-Neumann architecture, it lets me fantasize about whatever is going inside my favourite shindows or some denuvo protected game

https://tenor.com/view/humboldtt707-gif-11437870105220535250

[old totem]

fuck it does learning assembly remove any abstractions

[maiden geyser]

you'll simply remove all the abstract concepts that are supposed to make your life easier without drawbacks

[worldly plank]

Yes. It removes your sanity as well (if you have any left).

[maiden geyser]

prologue, epilogue, stack, whatever

[old totem]

i just feel like the inbetween of assembly and python doesnt really exist

unless im wrong

medium level

[worldly plank]

C?

[maiden geyser]

it's called C programming language, xir

[old totem]

i guess

[maiden geyser]

maybe C++, but it has OOP which is unorthodox

[tender river]

learning asm wont help you understand high level programming

like learning physics wont help you understand computers

[hard shale]

what do you mean by "abstraction"

[worldly plank]

The only reason to learn Assembly is to write a compiler.

[old totem]

idk maybe im crazy but like if i put in code i wanna know the shit behind it

[hard shale]

or extreme optimizations

but that's very unlikely.

[maiden geyser]

you, likely, don't want to know what's going on if it's OOP or something, mostly because it's ugly

[old totem]

like im interested in how cout works and shit

cuz i hate when programming tutorials are like "just do this line of code"

[maiden geyser]

ESPECIALLY things like >> and <<

[old totem]

REAL

[worldly plank]

Use C, and don't #include<stdio.h>?

[old totem]

im pissed cuz i know thats for bitshifting

how tf did it become input and output

[hard shale]

ah, then you should be learning how the compiler/interpreter behaves.

[old totem]

yeah

[maiden geyser]

no, that's not real, i mean you don't realise you don't want to, because there's some ugly msvccr thing behind it

[old totem]

yeah tbh that would be nice

[maiden geyser]

just open windows.h and try to read it

[old totem]

but its not like i wanna learn assembly to use it

i just wanna know the inner workings of computer communication

[hard shale]

are you an hs student?

[old totem]

im about to get into college

a lotta people say i should take IT

but i like cs more

[worldly plank]

Header files are source code, I think? So if you want to know how printf() works, you can just less /lib/stdio.h (or wherever the pointer it is located), and then std::cout probably does much the same (but don't take my word for it).

[old totem]

i tried to do that... and the src coud is kinda

tough to read

(i know its skill issue)

i learn better if im taught how to recreate printf

than reading a complete code

[worldly plank]

Copy it to ~, and try changing the style? (Then create a test program where you #include "stdio.h" instead of <stdio.h>)

(If you want to make it more readable without risk of breaking anything)

[old totem]

i guess that would work

[worldly plank]

stdio.h might be in /usr/include instead of /lib, by the way

[old totem]

yeah thats something i had to learn cuz of SDK studying...

[olive sable]

Took a bit longer than expected

But im back

[raw trout]

Good morn!

[raw trout]

I'd say go CS if you can handle the maths. IT is really easy to transition over job wise imo

Just remember to do projects and make a portfolio cause I'm playing catchup since I didn't do that in Uni

[tender river]

what exactly? networking, synchronization, information theory?

[hoary lion]

let's do information theory

it good 👍

[olive sable]

nah this was a fakeout, its even faster now by just not taking the avarage of every single point

[hoary lion]

numpy

[stark needle]

I love programming truly the funniest coolest least stressful job ever

[maiden geyser]

i love fantasising about programming

[raw trout]

https://tenor.com/view/time-to-dev-cat-stress-game-dev-gif-17809881092177742328

mfw the deadline is inching closer and I don't know what I'm doing. Plus impasta syndrome kicking in

[hoary lion]

just vibe code

truly be an impostor

[lapis verge]

vibe coding

[raw trout]

I have to admit I do use it to fill in the gaps and the senior devs absolutely know.

Even told them I need to lvl up fast cause it's disgusting and doesn't even work in most cases

[hoary lion]

I love when google gives me 5 different ML libraries

Don't you love when you have to open up 4 different readthedocs.io

[crystal frigate]

Hiya! Guess we'll be crossing paths in our waking hours bcs now its midnight for me lol

I see. Do the Neuros don't do that? I have terrible memory to remember much specifics, but I remember feeling like the Neuros be standard chatbot-like in their response with like, whenever Evil lament about being a shadow presence, and sorta sometimes when the twins are talking with each other about existential stuff

What do you think the twins have that others don't have? Internet speak & Twitch lingos, and the way they make use of them & evolve in many jokes?

[olive sable]

nah actually i was caping, the vector method is the fastest.
if i precompute the average of the plane distances beforehand its twice s fast as before

the code is now 32x as fast as the original code

[stark needle]

37 jax libraries

linen, linen nnx, flax, penzai, aloha or whatever

Uh

Standard Jax

Pallas

[hoary lion]

Optax and kauldron

[stark needle]

no those are specific for specific parts for training

these are all general libraries

oh ye ig kauldron

uh

tensorflow technically

man mfs cant think straight

need to reinvent Linear layer for the 894270734th time

[old totem]

i dont know any of those words

but to help a bit my main motivation is being able to make ai

(yeah wow surprising)

[hoary lion]

What even is aloha lmao

[old totem]

i just wanna fill in the void of knowledge

i look at ai code and im like wtf am i looking at

i wanna get to the point where i understand that shit

[maiden geyser]

ai code == code generated by ai or llama source code?

[hoary lion]

I genuinely don't know what should I even use to train nnx based models

[old totem]

sorry i meant neural network code generally

[hoary lion]

Soo many variants

[old totem]

not AI made code

code making AI

i mean even now i still dont know what a vector is

[patent ermine]

I can define that for you. A real vector space is a set V, and two operations + and * with the following properties (u, and v are in our set and c,d are real numbers):

1. u+v is in V
2. u+v = v+u
3. u+(v+w) = (u+v)+w
4. There is an element 0 in V such that u+0=u
5. For every u in V, there's an element -u such that u + (-u) = 0
6. c*u is in V
7. c*(u+v) = cu+cv
8. (c+d)u = cu + d*u
9. c*(du) = (cd)*u
10. 1*u =u

[opaque sigil]

i guess that technically is indeed a vector space

[opaque sigil]

a list of numbers

not in this context

[hoary lion]

1d array

[rough rover]

The Villain from Despicable Me

[hoary lion]

huh

[old totem]

i watched the churno guy and its like an array but with no size or something?

like a set in python but ordered

[hoary lion]

what

no

vectors definitely have orders

and python do have sets

[maiden geyser]

but set is literally ordered and you can't have 2 identical values in it

[hard shale]

Which definition of a vector are asking for? the one you would obtain from asking a mathematician or a comp scientist?

[old totem]

the one in iostream

[hard shale]

what?

[hoary lion]

???

[hard shale]

oh, you mean vectors in cpp

[rough rover]

For c++?

[old totem]

c++ yes

[rough rover]

In that case a Vector is just a built-in dynamic array

[maiden geyser]

vector is just a resizable array

basically like a list in python but ass

because cpp is ass

[old totem]

wait was my original definition close?

[hoary lion]

no

[maiden geyser]

not at all

list and set are different things

[rough rover]

Why would you want to code an AI in cpp by yourself?

[hoary lion]

this tbh

[opaque sigil]

why not

[old totem]

is that wrong?

[hoary lion]

https://numpy.org/
https://pytorch.org/

[maiden geyser]

Because maybe
You're gonna be the one that saves me
And after all
You're my wonderwall

[hard shale]

So, in C++ a vector is an homogeneous container. While in other language it may not be.

[hoary lion]

for a mathematical beginner like you yeah

[old totem]

i didnt mean vector in math

[hoary lion]

i hate when kernels convolve

😠

[rough rover]

I mean nah but lot of the modern AI stuff moved to Python

You can do it in C++ (most of the frameworks like Tensorflow and Pytorch are built in C++)

But depending on how big the model is, you could either come out looking 10 or 60 years older by the end of the project

You'd also learn alot more by getting the basics down.

Typically unis don't really have their undergrads to serious AI stuff until like late sophomore / jr year

[hard shale]

Well, the vector model in comp-sci comes from linear algebra so they do have a relation.

[hoary lion]

simply put:

1. Want to start fast as possible -> torch
2. Want to have more control among internals -> NumPy
3. fuck it we balling and ima make it hella efficient with my custom architecture -> triton or Jax Pallas or Fuck them all and use XLA directly

btw 3 is not for human

[old totem]

so i guess im using numpy

[hoary lion]

eyagh

[old totem]

i kinda dont wanna leave cpp tho

[hoary lion]

why? are you already proficient in it?

[old totem]

just preference

im not against learning python tho

[wicked matrix]

Learning curve isn’t steep, would recommend

[rough rover]

It's good to go outside your comfort zone every once in a while, it makes you more of a dynamical engineer

[hoary lion]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-destare-despair-cat-plinker98-gif-6770669073535101617

how tf you like cpp more than python

like do you like types?

[worldly plank]

Warning: Python can cause brain damage (speaking from experience)

[old totem]

im crazy man

im the type to consider assembly

[wicked matrix]

He uses cpp he’s already insane XD

[hoary lion]

i am a type lover

but not a cpp lover

[old totem]

also i may be artistic with a typo

[hoary lion]

me when pointer has pointer

[worldly plank]

I'm insane too, but I still take brain damage from Python

[rough rover]

I think they're just a low level programming enjoyer

But I never saw AI as a low level project.

[wicked matrix]

Don’t we all lol

[old totem]

idk am i crazy i just feel like python spoonfeeds my code a lot and its annoying

[maiden geyser]

pointer
look inside
pointer

[old totem]

i press tab and an entire code is written

[hard shale]

where are the nerds

lol

[hoary lion]

speaking of nerds

[rough rover]

Tuesday so working maybe

[opaque sigil]

suffering with pptx

[maiden geyser]

Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday so working maybe

[hard shale]

porting doom or something?

[hoary lion]

maybe have to extract the content

[opaque sigil]

no i have a presentation i need to hold on friday about the gh200 lol

[hoary lion]

potential nvidia employee living in #programming

[maiden geyser]

quick, ask him about when they're gonna fix the drivers

[opaque sigil]

[wicked matrix]

Any surplus compute you can throw at us? 👀

[hoary lion]

nah they deprecating them 2 year old architecture

no more than year old shall be usable architectures

[maiden geyser]

based?

[opaque sigil]

mfw gpu too new

[hoary lion]

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2306.07691
enough yapping of trivial stuffs, here is the big problem
Like how does one even jointly train? What even happen for the gradient flow?

[opaque sigil]

that's a lot of text and formulas, you have fun with that

[hoary lion]

6 DIFFERENT LOSSES

[maiden geyser]

6 different ~~:.|:;~~es

[hoary lion]

what even is this ancient language

[rough rover]

Old internet comic about a miscarriage https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/loss

[worldly plank]

I think it is a '-', followed by ":.|:;", followed by a '-'?

-:.|:;-

Nope

[rough rover]

No its strikethrough

[worldly plank]

How do you get the strikethrough?

[rough rover]

~~:.|:;~~ -> :.|:;

[maiden geyser]

|\||\|\||
|-|-|
|\|\||\|\_|

anyway, that's Loss if tables were supported

oh nyoo

discord doesn't have tables

[hoary lion]

welcome to sketch markdown of discord

[rigid snow]

classic botched markdown support

[worldly plank]

:.|:;

[rigid snow]

at least we have headings and hyperlinks now

[maiden geyser]

"now"? always had

[rigid snow]

member since dec 16, 2021

i think they came after that even

it was last year

[hoary lion]

unc

[maiden geyser]

think more of 2019

[hoary lion]

damn yall accounts are old

[maiden geyser]

wdym?

your's is also 2021

[hoary lion]

really

[rigid snow]

how do you not remember when those weren't a thing then. headings and hyperlinks were added as an experiment in 2023 and 2024 respectively

[hoary lion]

i prob forgot this account then

[rigid snow]

lists as well but i didn't mention them because nobody cares about lists

[hoary lion]

I do not remember using this in 2021

[maiden geyser]

bro, there are people who seriously believe there were charcoal torches and coal torches in minecraft

[rigid snow]

are we being fr rn

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360059616271-Add-Markdown-for-Heading explain this then

[hoary lion]

you can't make torches with charcoal??

[maiden geyser]

no, we're being silly, now go and do silly things

[maiden geyser]

you can, but there are people who believe those used to be two different items which can't be stacked with each other

[hoary lion]

there are only redstone torches that differs

[hoary lion]

wtf

the diffusion model samples a 64-byte style vector

tf

isn't that like 32 floats

[rigid snow]

a 16-bit one

[opaque sigil]

it's a cache line

[tender river]

it is a mental illness though

[hoary lion]

like how you gon diffuse all the audio info

to literally 32 numbers

[tender river]

look at what type theoreticians have been demanding your respect for

[maiden geyser]

i can't believe mods allow typophobes in my favourite chat...

[hoary lion]

I love making interfaces that wouldn't be more than once which definitely should be handled with json

[tender river]

the more type theory i learn the more i fear it

[maiden geyser]

why do you learn it, it sounds like some nerd thing

color theory ☝️ 🤓 music theory ☝️🤓

just thought of this

[rigid snow]

ironically both of those are easier that type theory

[maiden geyser]

what is even type theory about?

[rigid snow]

[maiden geyser]

math is also about proving things sometimes even if no one likes to do that

[hoary lion]

what is the point of *void

know where tf is empty??

[opaque sigil]

"i point to something but you don't get to know what"

[tender geode]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-math-mathmatics-mathgif-cartoon-gif-3507566

[hoary lion]

if this was the case it is acceptable

because it sounds sick

[opaque sigil]

this is how you end up doing generics in c usually

who needs types when you can just use void* everywhere

[trim valve]

i personally use it to point to my voids

i keep all the important data in those

[opaque sigil]

[maiden geyser]

just a pointer with no certain purpose

[rigid snow]

“here’s a location in memory. do what you want with it”

a point

[rigid snow]

wait… no way is that… why it’s called… a POINTER

[hoary lion]

"Hey this part is empty, fill this place up because I explicitly emptied it for no reason"

see

this why i don t do cpp

[opaque sigil]

definitely okay to write anything you want in there

nothing could go wrong

[hoary lion]

Can I write another void pointer there because I felt so

[rigid snow]

throw in multithreading for maximum correctness

[opaque sigil]

arent you missing a & for that

wait no

[maiden geyser]

i'll tell you more, you can call it, you can put it into eflags, you can use it as a seed for random, you can try to open a process with such pid, you can throw it at some pointer-requiring function and hope for the best

[opaque sigil]

buf is already a ptr nvm

[hoary lion]

The seed seems scary

[maiden geyser]

maybe you can try and read a byte from some disk at that position

[rigid snow]

this is kinda funny actually. omw to randomly disperse that in all C repos i have write access to. hehe the memory address contains itself funni

[tender river]

type theory predates programming, anyway, roughly speaking its the application of logic for constraining or inferring the possible operations on terms

there are no "pure types", like theres no "pure logic" or "pure maths"

[maiden geyser]

i kind of thought about doing that when i was thinking about writing a disassembler (to validate opcodes, idk)

[tender river]

i keep all the important things in my room

like approximately 50 grains of rice (might be more actually)

[maiden geyser]

there's pure music

[tender river]

there isnt, music only exists because humans made it, we cant even agree on what notes to use

[trim valve]

i love my mental catalogue of where I keep stuff

[maiden geyser]

https://preview.redd.it/4uc79sriq72c1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=c6b0f87a07859e948755a28cde8ceb2636aba0c6

[rigid snow]

what if you spectrally “comb” all of the frequencies to a certain scale, would that be “pure music” lmao

[trim valve]

where's the corrected version of that meme

[maiden geyser]

Absolute music, also known as abstract music or pure music, is music without a narrative, and does not have any further representational meaning. Instead, the focus of the music is on the technical aspects of the melody, harmony, rhythm and the notes, rather than the symbolism.

[trim valve]

https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/1ezj1vh/request_what_would_be_the_most_accurate_version/ seems to discuss it a bit

[tender river]

but the most fun thing about type theory is godel's incompleteness theorem

Any consistent formal system F within which a certain amount of elementary arithmetic can be carried out is incomplete; i.e. there are statements of the language of F which can neither be proved nor disproved in F

which means type theory is fundamentally incomplete
which is not actually a problem in real life but the more powerful the type system the more the programmer has to explain to the computer to show why the thing they're saying actually makes sense

the halting problem is up there as well

despite all that we're still only scratching the surface of type theory

there's so much research to do in that field

[olive sable]

im alive

got akwardly social at a bar ngl

time to go back to coding

[maiden geyser]

the more the programmer has to explain to the computer to show why the thing they're saying actually makes sense
schizo

[cloud relic]

[olive sable]

you could even say i talked to woman

[rough rover]

Must be a government agent

[olive sable]

nah, she was almost certainy a serial killer

[rough rover]

Eh, potato po-tah-to

[olive sable]

way too much knive and gun talk

[scarlet arch]

Was her name Evil or Neuro by chance?

[olive sable]

no

i aint doxing tho

[scarlet arch]

[rigid snow]

we know you aren’t doxing, you’re SamVanMaele

[olive sable]

rn im doing:

invView = self.identity.copy()
invView[:3,:3] = transView
invView[3,:3] = - (view[3,:3] @ transView)

what if i did this instead?:

self.invView[:3,:3] = transView
self.invView[3,:3] = - (view[3,:3] @ transView)

this should save time no?

[patent walrus]

that's a first for the channel congrats

[olive sable]

i dont care about using my real name since there are 30 other guys with the exact same first and last name
but im not gonna use other people's name

[rigid snow]

it was an attempt at a dad joke

[opaque sigil]

if they're semantically equivalent there's no reason not to

[olive sable]

the same data locaions get overwriten each time anyways

the function for preapring the lightspacematrices is now only 15% of exe time

it used to be 30

[opaque sigil]

[dawn vale]

I hope this absolute cinema rat from the Oblivion game files pleases someone; Oblivion has the most goofy texture maps

[olive sable]

my brother in christ, wtf

that just looks like a beheaded rat

most of the code is pretty fast now, just gotta fix this shit:

minX1, minY1, minZ1 = viewcorners[0].min(axis=0)[0:3]
maxX1, maxY1, maxZ1 = viewcorners[0].max(axis=0)[0:3]
minX2, minY2, minZ2 = viewcorners[1].min(axis=0)[0:3]
maxX2, maxY2, maxZ2 = viewcorners[1].max(axis=0)[0:3]
minX3, minY3, minZ3 = viewcorners[2].min(axis=0)[0:3]
maxX3, maxY3, maxZ3 = viewcorners[2].max(axis=0)[0:3]
minX4, minY4, minZ4 = viewcorners[3].min(axis=0)[0:3]
maxX4, maxY4, maxZ4 = viewcorners[3].max(axis=0)[0:3]

[stone cedar]

Looks like they just dismembered the rat and threw it on a flatbed scanner

[olive sable]

im too tired for this shit, chatgpt fixed it.

stacked = np.stack(viewcorners)  # shape: (4, N, M), where M >= 3

# Get min and max along the N axis (axis=1) and only first 3 dimensions
mins = stacked.min(axis=1)[:, :3]  # shape: (4, 3)
maxs = stacked.max(axis=1)[:, :3]  # shape: (4, 3)

i dont even kow what a stack it

[opaque sigil]

you stack them duh

[cloud relic]

that makes it even more interesting

[desert wave]

so joining them by creating a new dimension?

[olive sable]

oh hell mah

i aint getting killed

aight, im going to bed

goodnight

[lapis verge]

game dev is aids why do i have to create a bunch of .json files

[cloud relic]

today i had to fill some info for the intership and the website had a little bug i guess, soo in civil state i had to determine since when im single and when will i stop,

so im legally binded to stop being single at 1/1/2027

[desert wave]

if you fail the timeline collapses, good luck

[olive sable]

My brother, i make numpy text files

.npm or some shit

[opaque sigil]

does anyone know what sm targets with an "a" suffix mean/what gpus have said targets

there's sm_90a too

i've never heard about this

so optimisations that are architecture specific and neither backwards nor forware compatible?

90 was hopper right

guess that checks out then

would make sense

time to target sm_120a for everything now

[scarlet arch]

How the hell is it legal for them to ask such things

[cloud relic]

idk, bureocracy is weird

[scarlet arch]

This just isn't something they should ask...

[desert wave]

that is certainly an attempt at spelling that word

[cloud relic]

thanks

wait i wrote it even worse than i thought

[amber fractal]

we have a time limit on this timeline

[cloud relic]

[prime ridge]

Is that comicsans?

[opaque sigil]

comic code

[loud thicket]

start the grind

[cloud relic]

Idk how these side quest keep appearing

Now I have to make a rocket, finish a weird crawler robot, design a alarm system, and solve that long term time mission before the government appears

[maiden geyser]

now i have to survive next 6 hours

[cloud relic]

Why

[maiden geyser]

because i woke up like, 20 hours ago (yesterday, it's 10:05 am now)

and i'll be back home in 6 hours

[cloud relic]

"because I woke up" thats a good enough motive to survive tho

[maiden geyser]

i'm a snoozemaxxer

[maiden geyser]

God's sleepiest project

[nocturne olive]

This new model I'm training has the most stable validation loss I've ever seen
It never goes up, only down

[loud thicket]

paused my AI research currently to focus on work more

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[hoary lion]

how does one even fully relax and put there back while programming

or like just using computer in generla

[nocturne olive]

I just do it?

[amber fractal]

Question I'd want to know the answer to as well

[hoary lion]

like uhh

are yall gaming chairs like super upright or something

or just have better table??

idk

[amber fractal]

I'm normally on the floor or on a couch

[hoary lion]

⁉️ are we fr

that is not good

[amber fractal]

I go there by choice, desk is used for storage rather than usage.

Even if it were cleaned, I think I'd still be on the floor often

[nocturne olive]

My desk is full of

• 2 monitors
• 2 keyboards
• 1 mousepad and mouse
• 1 Neuro
• 1 Evil
• 50 random garbage

[hoary lion]

rich person

[nocturne olive]

No I'm broke

I need more money so I can get some 3090s for better model training

[hoary lion]

i have a single hd monitor, one bluetooth logiech keyboard, razer mouse and mousepad, old ass black&white printer, mic and audio interface

which in money wise like third of your setup

🥲

[nocturne olive]

Well, my second keyboard and second monitor are old garbage I got for free because the school here wanted to get rid of them

[amber fractal]

My desk area is filled with:

• 3 laptops, 4 other unused computers.
• Far too many spare monitors I got for free over time.
• entire network setup for a small business.
• 400 random garbage that makes it not possible to use the desk.

[nocturne olive]

This secondary monitor uses VGA and has a resolution of 1680 x 1050

I could use some spare monitors, 2 is not sufficient

[hoary lion]

look at this

[nocturne olive]

The monitor looks similar to my main one, though mine is 1440p

[hoary lion]

at least it is 144hz fortunately

[nocturne olive]

And I don't have a functional microphone, neither do I have a printer or that much desk space

[nocturne olive]

Mine is 165

[hoary lion]

believe me, this desk is much exaggerated due to fov

I do NOT have that much space to use

[nocturne olive]

Definitely way more than 0 space

[hoary lion]

drop the desk layout 🔥

[amber fractal]

I got whatever people want to name this area

[nocturne olive]

Well, technically I have negative space because half the things on the desk are dangling off the edge

[hoary lion]

jesus

[nocturne olive]

Looking pretty silly

[hoary lion]

what do you even do there, racing games??

it looks like ideal pilot simulator tbh

[amber fractal]

two floating table tops would be nice for flight sim

[nocturne olive]

My secondary monitor and secondary keyboard fall off the desk frequently

[amber fractal]

The last time I had this all set up was about 3 years ago. Mostly just for multi system stuff.

[hoary lion]

Falling monitor seems like a hazard

[nocturne olive]

At least my graphs are looking good

[hoary lion]

well

downward curve is good

[nocturne olive]

Yeah, especially the current run, which is the pink one

It's extremely stable

This is total validation loss by the way

Really didn't expect to ever see such a stable validation loss

[amber fractal]

I couldn't even list everything that is stored in here tbh. It's just far too much stuff to go through.

[hoary lion]

it's like one smooth

k/x graph

crazy work

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth-BETA-3 gonna go crazy

[hoary lion]

you **have **to drop the scheduling after it is done

[nocturne olive]

Scheduling?

[hoary lion]

yk like update schdules

adamw params

[amber fractal]

It is a nice graph, wish I knew a bit more of why it is a good as it is. But I'd have to learn a lot more about loss and the various methods to reduce it.

[hoary lion]

i sucked at asking

soo many things in ML

[amber fractal]

Hand over the hyperparams

[hoary lion]

dunno even where people teach stuff like that

[nocturne olive]

It's good, because the validation loss means how generalized the model is, and it going down consistently means no overfitting at all

[amber fractal]

I see

[nocturne olive]

I think it's just that every 10K steps, lr = lr * (3/4)

[hoary lion]

damn

[nocturne olive]

It's just the default this trainer comes with

I haven't changed many configs, just what dataset to use, what feature level to train, where to put checkpoints, and then gradient accumulation

I use gradient accumulation 4 on this one, because I can only get a native batch size of 3 (thus my util sucks)

I'm getting 30-40% utilization

And this is not even a multi-GPU setup, just a single GPU with way too little VRAM

[hoary lion]

petition to grant b200 to superbox

[maiden geyser]

2 keyboards
?

[maiden geyser]

I live poorly. Moldy cheese, old wine, car without a roof, phone without buttons

is it actually hd?

[hoary lion]

yeah

all budget except the mouse

[maiden geyser]

typical office setup...?

[hoary lion]

i want gamer setup

maybe im being greedy idk

[nocturne olive]

One for all other buttons, and the other for the single button with <>|

[runic pulsar]

it has been over 1 day for net-wireless/wpa_supplicant. bro I just want wifi for my laptop 😭

[paper nova]

What’s the issue?

[runic pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-suffering-from-success-this-so-cute-what-a-lovely-morning-oh-ma-gad-gif-11233135040670052230

oh no embed perms

:(

[runic pulsar]

THIS ONE DEPENDENCY WILL TAKE 3.7 HOURS

[opaque sigil]

Which one

[runic pulsar]

the big one

[opaque sigil]

Guess it must be qt then

[maiden geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/neurosama-evil-neuro-gif-755778526580687527

[stark needle]

uwohhh

https://tenor.com/view/anime-fran-sleep-sleepy-tired-gif-8633431630979404250

Nevermind

I went to sleep yesterday at only like 9 pm

Or earlier

Yet I'm still exhausted

[ruby timber]

[stark needle]

I had fallen asleep cause of massive sugar rush end from eating candy

[paper nova]

Dear lord

[hoary lion]

i hope that sleep was extra rewarding

aand gm too

[runic pulsar]

661/3564 right now. for this won dependency

[paper nova]

I worked for aws and did some etherium mining back in the day but never waited that long

[runic pulsar]

it is a gen 4 intel laptop chip

[paper nova]

Hmmm ya

And your installing drivers on Linux right

[runic pulsar]

I am installing wpa_supplecant so I can get wifi to work of gentoo

[paper nova]

Ohhh ya idk any of that

lol

[runic pulsar]

nor do I but here I am

[paper nova]

Any forum info on it

Or you just bare min go for it

[runic pulsar]

at the end I will be a god among Arch users. I think that will just make me a normal person though

[paper nova]

lol

[amber fractal]

Trying out some methods to get this oculus cv1 to not have to be on windows. Much better bet than trying to get however the frick to get the oculus quest 2 working.

[hoary lion]

for no reason I am suddenly addicted to ML modelling

now all i need is to actually do code

which is not so good news but still fine

[prime ridge]

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[runic pulsar]

ok

[ruby timber]

Morning!

[hard shale]

good morning ./@ruby timber

[ruby timber]

bash: ./stellaaa.sh: Permission denied

[amber fractal]

sudo ./@ruby timber

[ruby timber]

[sudo] password for igglya:

Go ahead

I'm all ears

[amber fractal]

password

[ruby timber]

that's a problem

[amber fractal]

[ruby timber]

[amber fractal]

I was expecting for it to ship my ssh keys to a random IP, so isn't the worst in the world.

[ruby timber]

Scorched earth option

I'll add that before I remove everything next time

[hoary lion]

let's make llms have access to remove them roots

anyway time to go to sleep sleep

gn

[amber fractal]

gn

[olive sable]

[uneven pulsar]

I'm so sad

After 13 years that car dealership website changed its ux :(

before / after </3

[noble zodiac]

those are all terriblel cars as well 😔

[dusty niche]

one way to destroy any linux os

rm -rf /*

[dusky jackal]

Hi! Sorry again about the late response!

Neuro's and Evil's responses are very human, and a lot of that can be boiled down to their accurate use of zoomer lingo, lack of GPTisms, (likely from very heavy fine-tuning), as well as having very consistent and unique mannerisms. They also tend to have quicker, less excessively flowy responses in most cases. Even Neuro's wall-of-text copypastas sound more like some meme-post you'd find on an imageboard rather than anything from an AI.

You mentioned this, but Evil speaking about herself being in Neuro's shadow is actually pretty human, honestly. She really kind of is and it makes sense that she'd bring it up often. Them talking about existentialist stuff gives them a lot more depth! The talk between Neuro and Vedal felt very human, for example. As well as when she had her conversation with Ellie.

I think the only real exceptions are whenever Neuro tries to act like a clinical therapist, which is honestly kind of jarring. It's almost as if she switches to using a separate LLM for that, with some "Neuro-isms" baked in—along with a few jokes here and there. Still, most AITubers don't really have anything like that. They're either too one-dimensional, wildly inconsistent, or sound like a barely fine-tuned model with a few basic character prompts, and they most often aren't as heavily fine-tuned towards being entertaining personalities as the twins are.

Once again, I'm gonna get off but I'll respond to you when I can!

[maiden geyser]

why can't you do that in DM

[rough bloom]

don't do it in DMs, I am enjoying the essays

[atomic creek]

    then('why friend shaped?')
eliv catgirl: continue```

[tight tinsel]

add that to the bingo

[amber fractal]

It's not under the "Is Neuro Sentient?" box, So regretably no bingo progress

Man a general essaying box should be added in the future

bwaa should also have one

[tight tinsel]

thank you ict ive waiting 9 weeks just for a simple screen replacement and now that i have my laptop back my trackpad no longer works

reinstalling windows AGAIN i guess

[amber fractal]

windows

If I can't see the web then what is the point?

[tight tinsel]

trackpad ONLY works on linux but not windows?

i hope at least the touchscreen works

[opaque sigil]

how much you wanna bet they just ran a generic "driver cleanup" which yeeted the trackpad driver

though surely there's a generic one that should still work

[tight tinsel]

probably

ran through everything trying to see is bricked and what its not and not only is just the trackpad bricked but the touchscreen as well

yeah i dont think i want to even touch this

[opaque sigil]

replaced it with a non-touch screen

[upbeat scroll]

https://youtu.be/Avo2pGQAPE8

Might as well post it also here

[tight tinsel]

not the screen problem

i tested by just booting into my linux mint drive and just tapping

still works

as usual just windows

[dry charm]

[feral bloom]

Hello, is anyone interested in LLM research that's Neuro adjacent? Is there a better channel or thread to post it?

[tight tinsel]

neuroDinkDonk bingo!!

[ruby timber]

[olive sable]

This channel does LLM stuff

So just post it here i guess

[nocturne olive]

LLMs are BORING
Vocal synthesis is where it's at

[olive sable]

Airplane home

[desert wave]

"here is my real name and a picture of my current location"

[olive sable]

Yep

I dare you to dox me

[stark needle]

potentially

[stark needle]

Your name is Sam Van Maele

[olive sable]

Yes

[stark needle]

bruh

[olive sable]

Just like 30 other people

And since i have no social media presence you wont find me

[stark needle]

i found your discord

It's "samvanmaele"

[olive sable]

You can find my itch

Besides that nothing me related

[stark needle]

finding me would be really easy tbh

lol

[hoary lion]

gm

[faint sandal]

my real name is azaka trust

[stark needle]

are you an anime character with pink hair with green accents on the clothes irl as well?

[faint sandal]

yea

[olive sable]

I got swabbed for explosives

[midnight sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d1p2I4nTi8

[rough bloom]

did they find any?

[olive sable]

No

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

I aint bombing the place i live

[worldly plank]

The real question is if he had any.

[olive sable]

[scarlet abyss]

Can anyone help me?

I just have a question

[tender river]

nobody can because you didnt ask anything https://dontasktoask.com/

[midnight sigil]

it's nobody can

[tender river]

typo

[scarlet abyss]

Oh i just wanna ask what this error means since ive been tryna fix my ai since earlier
SyntaxError: Unexpected end of input
at wrapSafe (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1666:18)
at Module._compile (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1708:20)
at Module._extensions..js (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1899:10)
at Module.load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1469:32)
at Module._load (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:1286:12)
at TracingChannel.traceSync (node:diagnostics_channel:322:14)
at wrapModuleLoad (node:internal/modules/cjs/loader:235:24)
at Function.executeUserEntryPoint [as runMain] (node:internal/modules/run_main:151:5)
at node:internal/main/run_main_module:33:47

[midnight sigil]

bro provided log but not code

that's crazy

[scarlet abyss]

I just wanted to ask what the error meant

[hoary lion]

it is like all compiled we are unable to know whatever module this is

we do not know what code exists in run_main_module line 33

[tender river]

realistically it means some file is truncated

or you're missing a closing brace/parenthesis somewhere

[scarlet abyss]

Ill double check some stuff, it started when i gave her a memory json so yeah, thank you for telling me stuff

[hoary lion]

if so then likely the json might be malformed

[rigid snow]

why does the stacktrace only contain node built in shit

[rigid snow]

that's not it, it's gonna be Uncaught SyntaxError: <something> in JSON at position <char> with json

[hoary lion]

idk i hate js

[rigid snow]

that's why js devs actually write ts

[rough bloom]

probably because the error is in the main file specified on the CLI

[stark needle]

[rough bloom]

surely import/require statements would have that line in the stack trace

[scarlet abyss]

I guess there was a duplicate API request and misplaced client.login

[hoary lion]

https://tenor.com/view/teto-mesmerizer-gif-1651698684609187246

[midnight sigil]

are you doing frame by frame analysis

[hoary lion]

expert pattern recognition

[knotty current]

i dont think im going to eep well

[scarlet abyss]

The code worked but now im getting error code status 429🙂

[midnight sigil]

must be trained

[hoary lion]

another teto fan spotted in the wild

[scarlet abyss]

The free API im using is apparently having too much request

[midnight sigil]

good, now run LLMs locally

[hoary lion]

https://tenor.com/view/miku-angry-meme-goku-angry-miku-meme-meme-hatsune-miku-gif-5683637212704483663

eep well echo

[stark needle]

I just found out teto is 31????

[hoary lion]

miku gon find you vulnerable tho

[raw trout]

Morning!

[hoary lion]

morn

[knotty current]

not as scared as the evening when i discovered the ARG tho

[stark needle]

why are we not using agentic LLM workflows for cpu branch prediction????

[hoary lion]

whut

[stark needle]

LLM powered Ai agents is what everyone is using these days no?

[knotty current]

no?

i dont

[rough bloom]

true, they should use the NPU for that

[hoary lion]

good luck with generating a single token

[rough bloom]

ask local R1 which branch will be taken, reasoning is important after all

[hoary lion]

too many ideas

[nocturne olive]

First make it able to run in less than a clock cycle so it'd actually be worth it

[hoary lion]

having 4 completely different strategies for a single goal

but since it is all AI modeling stuffs, so I only have one chance

[stark needle]

All this ai modelling yet no one can model me a good salary🙏😭

[olive sable]

Plane got delayed

[hoary lion]

anything but good buisness model

[scarlet abyss]

Im running her on my phone's ram, cant even make my own llms

[midnight sigil]

huh

[midnight sigil]

a layoff is modelled

[stark needle]

running llm on phone is crazy

[scarlet abyss]

Running llm on phone is stupid

[hoary lion]

Google seem to like that idea

Since now I am a google stan I am okay with it

Still don't think it is good tho

[scarlet abyss]

Ill only support the idea if they release a 20+ gb ram gaming phone with 24h battery life and 1698gb of storage

[stark needle]

man

[stark needle]

gemini nano runs at ok ish speed

[scarlet abyss]

Ye but most devices even high end will consume alot of ram

[raw trout]

Where are you based geographically?

idk about other places but I feel like anything doing with AI stuff is either megacorpo or government funded. Rarely do small companies invest in AI or anything of the sort. Even if they do they just use a SaaS subscription.

[scarlet abyss]

And without cooling can make the phone be hot enough to cook pancakes on

[stark needle]

I mean

Then dont run on phone

(?)

[knotty current]

alr imma go eep

gn chat

[hoary lion]

Teto is waiting

[scarlet abyss]

Thats what i just said?

[trim valve]

virtual display aquired

as long as I never accidentally set my pc to second screen only everything will be fine

[hoary lion]

virtual display never ends well

[trim valve]

it's starting well atm

[hoary lion]

windows+p is the only thing that is about to save me if I mis-set something

[trim valve]

theoretically my remote desktop setup should fix itself if I reconnect

[hoary lion]

chat

can RL add functionality that is outside of pretrained capabilities

[rough bloom]

I doubt it, it should be same as normal SFT, only making pretrained capabilities stronger / more apparent

[hoary lion]

if we did enough RL like pretraining

extensively on massive amount of task variety

which hasn't been done yet

[rough bloom]

if you trained a model from scratch with RL, then yeah, sure

but that's super expensive

[hoary lion]

idk actually this is not my idea

it was someone else who is like really good at this field, but just wanted to hear #programming

where is everyone tho

[scarlet arch]

waiting for stream, and programming stuff. OpenRouter broke my library again :P

[pearl lily]

how?

I thought open router is a very stable api?

[scarlet arch]

well. true. but my library checks for new fields and changed types. so compared to lax type languages my library explodes the moment they add or change something :P

[hoary lion]

little do one know

[scarlet arch]

and that's on purpose.

[pearl lily]

high bar to keep up with the changes

[scarlet arch]

meh, library is marked as experimental, so merge requests are welcome haha. I just published cause I figured I'm not the only one needing it

[elfin sinew]

51 files changed
+1839
-68
lines changed

huh, i did a lot of work since the last time i commited to main

all i have left, i think, is frontend work to make it prettier and actually packaging it so people dont have to compile it

[olive sable]

Im alive

[scarlet arch]

[nocturne olive]

New NeuroSynth BETA I guess

Took 30 hours to train because 12GB VRAM is SMOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL

[noble zodiac]

I'm reading three different books on functional computation and I'm still dumb as dry bread

[misty wolf]

nvidia gatekeeping vram to enterprise gpus is a crime against humanity ngl

[nocturne olive]

I could really use a 3090 or something, at least then I could do something and not take 30 hours doing it

[misty wolf]

what gpu do you have?

[stark needle]

It somehow sounds clear but not clear

[nocturne olive]

4070Ti

[nocturne olive]

Whar

[stark needle]

like

the pronunciation

[misty wolf]

same, but at least I have the super version with 16gb vram

[nocturne olive]

Oh how much of a good time I would have with 16GB of VRAM
I could actually reach 3 batch size without running out of memory

[misty wolf]

trust me, even 16gb will run out quickly

although thankfully I rarely do ML work

so I dont care that much

[nocturne olive]

I do all kinds of stuff quite often

Just a couple hours ago finished a 30 hours vocal synthesizer run

[trim valve]

what's the smartest form of bread

[noble zodiac]

dont get me started on bread

[trim valve]

false

[nocturne olive]

And I'm gonna need to do it again because we still don't have enough highs and we're gonna try appending something special into the dataset