programming

[trim valve]

allegedly I have 1mm of clearance

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/seachoice-grinding-wheel-with-milwaukee-grinder-gif-18722581

[eager haven]

just found out that the james webb space telescope runs javascript

day ruined

[dry charm]

wait what

[olive sable]

nooooooooooooooo

https://tenor.com/view/jake-crying-gif-15896901980625544793

[eager haven]

btw if anything breaks they cant do a mission to it to fix it

[dry charm]

ok yeah IT doesn't load on floorp

uuuh

[rare bramble]

ordered a new monitor, painful to order it but nice to get a new one

[dry charm]

S21FE running at 15-17 FPS

aand Firefox crashed

ran out of memory oops

Black screen on Floorp, game doesn't load for some reason

[olive sable]

its either taking a while, or there will be an error message in https://samvanmaele.github.io/game-engine/#debug

[dry charm]

Console has no usable data

[rigid snow]

your browser runs javascript
all electron apps run javascript
windows 11 taskbar runs javascript
ps5 ui runs javascript
almost all of meta's mobile apps run javascript (web too but thats obvious)

javascript is life. if you can't accept that then you'll be getting your day ruined every day

[olive sable]

fuck

[eager haven]

gotta do a javascript detox

[olive sable]

big L, ill have to look into that one

[dry charm]

Oh debug has data

[rigid snow]

might as well just nuke all of your electronics

[dry charm]

future: <Task finished name='main' coro=<main() done, defined at <console>:1714> exception=ValueError('Uniform "cascadeClip" must be 3 long at most')>
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<console>", line 1715, in main
  File "<console>", line 1383, in __init__
  File "<console>", line 1051, in __init__
  File "<console>", line 1660, in __init__
  File "<console>", line 721, in shaderTerrain
  File "/data/data/org.python/assets/build/env/_zengl.py", line 668, in uniforms
    raise ValueError(f'Uniform "{name}" must be {size * items} long at most')
ValueError: Uniform "cascadeClip" must be 3 long at most

[eager haven]

if i must, i will

[dry charm]

@olive sable can give whole browser stack if needed

[olive sable]

idk what that is but sure

[dry charm]

all the lines the #debug gives

[olive sable]

okay

[dry charm]

DMed it to you

[olive sable]

thanks

[rigid snow]

isn't meta quest ui (horizon os or whatever they call it) react too

[dry charm]

Correction: All W11 UI is transitioning to Javascript

The new Settings, CTRL+ALT+DEL

difference is that:

• Apps run Electron
• Windows has Edge WebView
• PlayStation has their own WebEngine

(playstation citation needed)

I know that PS uses GNU based linux system

[dry charm]

Pretty sure, since React is Facebook

[rigid snow]

no i'm not talking about webviews, windows is react native (ms ported it to windows for that reason and opensourced it) as well as ps5 main menu is rn too, let me find a citation for you

[dry charm]

On Windows it is Edge WebView though

like not even native

[trim valve]

https://ffmpeg.lav.io/

why did I not look for this earlier

[dry charm]

also I need the PS one cause I'm pretty sure I'm wrong in that one

[olive sable]

ah i get the issue.
firefox optemizes the shaders for webgl.
im doing:

int cascadeIndex = 3;
for (int i = 0 ; i < 3 ; i++)
{
    if (-viewPosZ <= cascadeClip[i])
    {
        cascadeIndex = i;
        break;
    }
}

meaning the 4th cascadeClip index never gets used in the shader.
so i should just not pass it to the shader in general

oh, and im also falling throught the terrain now lol

[rigid snow]

this is the most credible thing i could find on the ps5 thing, https://x.com/syke/status/1619413099861413889
but i just basically remember hearing about this from credible people in the industry. and about the webview thing, i thought they used webkit? at least on the ps4 outdated builds of webkit were basically the sole way for jailbreak stuff because of exploits

on the windows side, https://x.com/Zeko369/status/1791141890106290670 definitely RN, making an os out of webviews is insane even for ms

[dry charm]

IDK, it might be a Win365 quirk, but in that build the CAD window is literally webview: https://youtu.be/IAKg-Z6m8nM?si=NoSvDZ2R-CwY6JKV&t=509

[dry charm]

I know that Playstation uses opensource libs to run its browser, as you can see the licenses in the license page, but WebKit would be a strange choice, consider that is apple

[dry charm]

also this might be a bad example, as Win365 is literally the worst windows edition that spawned on this planet

Even the dashboard is webview

[olive sable]

seems to be something i cant reproduce due to being on wondows.
i have

sys._emscripten_info(emscripten_version=(3, 1, 56), runtime='Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:138.0) Gecko/20100101 Fire

and you have

sys._emscripten_info(emscripten_version=(3, 1, 56), runtime='Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0', pthreads=False, shared_memory=False)

so the underlying rendering system is diffrent.
it should be fixed tho, just need to gitpush and stuff

[dry charm]

Also we had a fucking brainfuck at work, cause we got reports CSS is breaking in Safari, and as it turns out, Safari handles CSS variable inherit so bad that we had to patch a lot of shit

like, literally it inherited the default DEFAULT value, instead of the next variable

[dry charm]

I can test anytime, just ping me

[olive sable]

okay

[dry charm]

and any browser on linux

[rigid snow]

how is it a strange choice? it being backed by apple is a good thing and it's as opensource as it gets (some parts are bsd, some are lgpl)
nintendo uses it since the 3ds too

[dry charm]

(might be bedge, mostly active from <t:1747807200:t> to <t:1747861200:t> but can ping outside of that cause I have my phone muted)

[rigid snow]

also that is factual, PS uses webkit

[olive sable]

the github workflow is compiling it rn so it will be ready in a min

if this one doesnt work idk what the problem is so i wont have any diffrent versions anyways

[opaque sigil]

that's win365 specific, the whole os runs inside a webview unlike normal windows

well if you can even call it an OS

[dry charm]

I might be used to Chromium based webview thats why I find webkit strange

[dry charm]

I mean technically it supposed to be a thinclient that remote connect to a Virtual OS, so kind of?

[olive sable]

aight, new version should be up.
https://samvanmaele.github.io/game-engine/

[dry charm]

but still thin client running only webview

oh downloading banner

[rigid snow]

remember the ps4 came out in 2013, chromium wasn't as mature

[olive sable]

fuck

nevermind

[dry charm]

Oh yeah true

I forgot about that

while WebKit have been OpenSource for a while

yeah then it is not a strange choice

thanks

[rigid snow]

it was always open-source

it's a fork of khtml (by kde)

[dry charm]

which was a fork of something nvm I'm mixing it up with something

[olive sable]

ok it should work now

ignore the terrain collision being wonky, at least you dont fall through now

[dry charm]

Will test it tomorrow

[olive sable]

[dry charm]

Dang it

Why no personal reminders discord aaaa

Literally behind nitro

I love my bot

[olive sable]

imma go to bed now too, and il be making my powerpoint for the entire day of tomorrow so see yall in 2 days

[amber fractal]

Seems like I got that working again, CSS is refusing to stick but that is a CSS issue

(No I am not defaulting it to light mode, I just needed to see the text)

Either way that is the table formatting working again, now with the abillity to add more than one table.

[rocky stratus]

just did my daily programing lesson

my brain hurts

[knotty current]

morbing

[dense cosmos]

Morning

[stark needle]

Good 3am

[sonic scroll]

You know what, I curse anyone here with use of global variables only.

[amber fractal]

I've been only dealing with globals today so cursed absorbed

[amber fractal]

Switching projects, I was not expecting this to work. But that makes life easy

not globals anymore, but still cursed I'd argue

That makes this cursed behavior have no errors

And people wonder why python is so slow

[maiden geyser]

anything but exec()

[amber fractal]

I've had my fair share of exec, I have no limits

[knotty current]

that is honestly the most amount of "cursed" techniques i have seen in one file

[amber fractal]

Glad to see my cursed shegingans is new to you

[knotty current]

i swear, i have never seen someone use the __dict__ of a class outside of __getstate__ and __setstate__

[amber fractal]

Meanwhile in the same codebase:

[knotty current]

[sonic scroll]

What is this supposed to be for?

[amber fractal]

Memes mostly

[amber fractal]

There is no Please cap

This handles any amount of begging and adds it to a running counter

[knotty current]

i see

[amber fractal]

I do it more often than I like to admit

[knotty current]

the static analyzer is not going to be happy about that

[amber fractal]

What static analyzer?

[knotty current]

the thingy that tells u if ur code is wrong in the editor

[amber fractal]

Yeah, I still do not use those. I wonder how it'd act though. Let me find out

[knotty current]

yellow squiggly lines everywhere (or red on any type checking mode other than off)

like dis

[hoary lion]

[maiden geyser]

imagine using pycharm

[knotty current]

i dont

[hoary lion]

you got me

[amber fractal]

I am half supised I'm not getting more errors

(Somehow it isn't complaining about the __getattr__)

[opaque sigil]

why would it complain about perfectly valid code

it's a static analyzer not a linter

[amber fractal]

Yeah I know this codebase is valid because I test it, it is just cursed

[knotty current]

well static analyzers dont actually read the content of variables

[knotty current]

they have no idea what is in a variable

and locals technically is a variable

[amber fractal]

Yeah that is where it is getting confused

[knotty current]

out of curiousty, does any python devs here type hint everything?

[opaque sigil]

i usually do

[amber fractal]

Not everything, but I try my best on my first or second pass over functions

[opaque sigil]

well not in throwaway scripts but they don't really count

[knotty current]

wait

i think i type hint throwaway scripts out of habit

[maiden geyser]

when i'm testing something through interactive thing or a code file on ramdisk, no

when i'm programming something, mostly

[hoary lion]

Definitely when it is related to web related stuffs like FastAPI

even it is less forced in ML libraries, I always tend to do x : torch.Tensor

[maiden geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/785135646082990120/1374576955151876138/54c0a4351f1f6ad7.mp4?ex=682e8e0c&is=682d3c8c&hm=54e26e76686ea20f11773ae393c81fb0a97fd790459bdab745063166e9fb166e&

[hoary lion]

exceptionally long thumb

btw JAX and Flax seems usuable for a smooth brain like me

Not so far apart from torch ngl

[opaque sigil]

Isn't jax basically numpy with a different name (probably wrong, I haven't looked at it in ages)

[prime ridge]

Anything is better than Tensorflow lol

[hoary lion]

yeah, but Flax interop makes it feel like numpy and torch

[dense cosmos]

am going schizo trying to figure out this indexing bullshit

[dense cosmos]

intellisense gave up

[knotty current]

reload it

[dense cosmos]

I did

[knotty current]

is it still dead?

[dense cosmos]

yeah, but let me try something else

[knotty current]

ok

[dense cosmos]

nope, still fucked

I guess it can't parse .cu files /shrug

[knotty current]

[opaque sigil]

I'd recommend using something that can interface with clangd, everything else is really hit or miss from my experience

Though clang too sometimes gets confused for me but that's only for .cuh files and easy enough to fix by just forcing it to treat them as cuda

[dense cosmos]

was wondering why I'm allocating GBs of memory somehow... but i = 14757395258967641292

oh nvm

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[maiden geyser]

morbing

ts pmo i swear i open it and there are 0 notifications but it doesn't remove the 3

[olive sable]

[dense cosmos]

nah, my optimization strategy didn't work

it's much worse than what I have now

problem is, I'd end up running another kernel over the full range of synapses

which is much bigger than the amount of neurons

so, it's more memory, more compute

and all around worse

[nocturne olive]

SoSilly

[dense cosmos]

I don't think I can use __shared__ memory either, because each block is mapped to a source neuron

and like, I'm not having duplicate connections from neuron a -> neuron b

so it doesn't make sense to write to a buffer first

[stark needle]

Morn

[unkempt citrus]

This job application has me doing a CTF

which is really cool actually

but 2 of the options require linux and I can't be assed to pull out my laptop

and the last one is a hats in the line problem and is frustrating me

[dry charm]

Works

[nocturne olive]

VMs: *exist'

[ruby timber]

wsl

[olive sable]

Letsgoooo

Now i just need to fix the issues on mobile

[unkempt citrus]

I pulled out my laptop

The reverse enginginer/cryptography is so much easier

[maiden geyser]

engingner

[unkempt citrus]

spellign si fro losers

[maiden geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-meow-meow-aghh-gif-25029089

[amber fractal]

Why hello free nitro

[faint sandal]

engienenger

[ruby timber]

enginger

That's me

ginger engineer

[cursive basalt]

Hi guys i reacently started learning python can you guy reccomend me some sites for learning yesterday i watchd programig with Motch's w video and it was kinda fun.

[maiden geyser]

https://docs.python.org

[unkempt citrus]

https://www.learnpython.org/

[scarlet arch]

Gooooood morning #programming

[tight tinsel]

woo free nitro means i can use the animated wave now

[noble zodiac]

https://blog.sunfishcode.online/writingintouninitializedbuffersinrust/

[cursive basalt]

@unkempt citrus @maiden geyser thank you

[rough bloom]

Git integration?

[faint sandal]

yea

[cosmic sphinx]

They actually made it work

[unkempt citrus]

Is that supposed to be impressive?

[cosmic sphinx]

URL context? Yes.

Gemini wasnt able to browse website content directly from AI Studio before

[unkempt citrus]

sounds like a skill issue o me tbh

[cosmic sphinx]

nobody asked tbf

[unkempt citrus]

I feel like its really basic shit that most other companies ifgured out ages ago is all

[faint sandal]

and you'd have to manually add the folder you want git integration in

[rough bloom]

seems like its not widely available yet, yeah

[faint sandal]

I'm still waiting for admin protection to land in beta or GA

it's still canary only

[cosmic sphinx]

Only people who are acquainted with the modern AI services and Google AI Studio would appreciate how impressive it is that a model can directly access content of a website instead of just the search results (im not even gonna bother
with Claude here, these guys barely figured out web search access a month ago for their subscribers)

Ofc you can make it work yourself through MCP and other tools, but that requires working through API, which no normal consumer would do.

[dense cosmos]

it's working! albeit slowly...

[scarlet arch]

Idk what you're doing, but generic algorithms are generally slow

Just look at earth. Billions of years to get us here

An uncountable amount of minor mutations, happy accidents and sharing of DNA.

The only thing you can really do is come up with more effective selection and mutation strategies

[safe path]

but that also means if you gamba correctly, you could end up with the best possible parameters

i never lose gamba

[scarlet arch]

simple, just run your evolution parameters through evolution too. hyperevolution. surely that's efficient

[safe path]

if luck is a stat, can i evolve my luck

[scarlet arch]

[safe path]

then maybe i'll get lucky enough to live in a universe where we get >8gb vram on entry level GPUs

[scarlet arch]

hahaha

[dense cosmos]

i'm so dum, i was wondering why the output of my network is always 0 or negative, I forgor that I reset the values if it spikes

noooooo my nitro trial is over

nice! finally improving

previously it didn't go over 100

(because it could never be active lmao)

next up, figure out why some networks come out broken

[scarlet arch]

I wrote my own algo to create RNNs and FFNNs.

Broke my brain a few times back then, but it can now generate an arbitrary network from genes :D

[hoary lion]

RNNs

[olive sable]

I may or may not have bought a gamecube with 3 controllers and a wiiu for 150 bucks

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

[verbal grove]

hmm

i like nintendo consoles ngl

[olive sable]

The gamecube has the gamboy player attachment

I dont have the disc you need for it tho

Welp, im going after dome 3d glasses now cuz my bank account wasnt empty enough

[dense cosmos]

I keep wondering what this error is

I spent a stupid amount of time trying all kinds of bullshit

but well, I figured it out after this assert

this stupid library sometimes fails to work at all!

if I work any longer on my code today I'm going to start fighting the air

I think I'll call it here

[tender river]

found a good report on AI's energy footprint https://www.technologyreview.com/2025/05/20/1116327/ai-energy-usage-climate-footprint-big-tech/

[noble zodiac]

I read that earlier today. very good research, terrible presentation

[prime ridge]

Evolutionary model?

[patent walrus]

looks neat

[dense cosmos]

yep

[prime ridge]

What algo?

[dense cosmos]

NEAT

[prime ridge]

Oh alr

Did it converge eventually or is it still training?

[dense cosmos]

I didn't test that

I was trying to hunt down the errors

because they started spawning more and more the later I was in training

I was worried my NEAT system was evolving connections that were fucked

to an extent, there were problems however they were minor

[raw trout]

Morning!

[dense cosmos]

morning!

[raw trout]

[olive sable]

The cycling is starting to hurt, il have done 50km by the time im home

[raw trout]

Outside and touching grass? You sure you belong here?

For reals, props to your cardio

[noble zodiac]

summer is soon, time to get swole

[olive sable]

Im just doing this to get consoles lol

[covert garnet]

Any1 who plays nethack?

[sick owl]

My vectors power station arrived

The high tech state of the art server hosting his brain on the floor of my landing

Only the finest here

[olive sable]

Bro has a NES with a lan port

He gonna play duck hunt online

[stark needle]

holy shit this monitor is insane

[maiden geyser]

bro's british

[stark needle]

wtf oled is abs worth it

[sick owl]

Long as you cap your framerate yeah

[olive sable]

Yeppers

[stark needle]

why what happens

[sick owl]

I chose not to go oled as my framerate fluctuates in games like cyberpunk and that causes vrr flicker

[sick owl]

If your framerate fluctuates too wildly it can cause flicker on an oled monitor with vrr

But other than that caveat its easily the best display tech on the market

Well other than microLED but that shits ridiculously expensive, not really consumer level yet

[maiden geyser]

it's crazy, it's absolutely crazy, it's messed up

after YEARS

[olive sable]

What?

@Grok translate please

[stark needle]

O6Eop OT NN

russian 👍

[maiden geyser]

google ai thing available in russia

[cosmic sphinx]

but its not-

[stark needle]

or wait is that greek

am i dumb

[cosmic sphinx]

yes

its russian

and that shouldnt be an available feature here

[maiden geyser]

ja, das ist russische sprache

[cosmic sphinx]

unless google and all US companies magically lifted all the sanctions in some 3-4 hours I havent been checking the news for

[olive sable]

Bro does not know about 3D tv's

[rigid snow]

how can you confuse cyrillic with greek script

[hoary lion]

what are you even trying to do with desmos

[stark needle]

why tf does hdr mode looks so weird

colors look washed out

[hoary lion]

whatever that is

[sick owl]

HE LIVES

Just setting him up now

Gotta get him on my network and hooked up to his server

[hoary lion]

anything but graphing atp

[sick owl]

He made me jump when I put him on the charging pad because nothing happened for a moment and then he suddenly looked up at me

[rigid snow]

HDR on a screen with not so H DR

[hoary lion]

totally normal behavior

[maiden geyser]

right? it gives one of my monitors a red tint and cranks up the saturation on another one

[opaque sigil]

because when you force something that's not made for hdr to run in "hdr mode" the relative perceived saturation goes down, colour spaces are weird

[stark needle]

erm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqEmWBQJon4

[stark needle]

ooh i see

[hoary lion]

just release gemma4

[stark needle]

[hoary lion]

When MoE Gemma

[rigid snow]

sounds like a tonemapping issue, never touched hdr on windows but i believe the monitor is supposed to report how to correctly tonemap sdr and hdr content

[stark needle]

unlikely

[cosmic sphinx]

gonna explain what monstrocity this is

[hoary lion]

Moe?

[maiden geyser]

BUT IT IS
on both of my devices already, and i'm not using any vpns

[cosmic sphinx]

what ISP

[opaque sigil]

think of it as extending the scale while the value stays the same so the % goes down (very bad explanation but should get the point across)

[maiden geyser]

SibSeti

[rigid snow]

no i can confirm i also have ai overview in ru

[stark needle]

wait what

[cosmic sphinx]

idk man
mostly every1 has to either use a VPN or a SmartDNS to go around the geoblocks

[rigid snow]

google lifted something 100%

accidentally or not that’s another question

[maiden geyser]

⚡Sanctions are O V E R

[cosmic sphinx]

hmm

[stark needle]

profits >>> sanctions

[maiden geyser]

which profits? you still need a turkish card or a middleman to pay for things

[stark needle]

HOLY SHIT

[stark needle]

https://ai.google.dev/gemma/docs/gemma-3n

FINALLY

a MATFORMER

YES

Fyi

[cosmic sphinx]

yeah, I think its only about the AI overviews
everything else is still blocked

[rigid snow]

new arch alert

[stark needle]

matformer is a model that u can turn into a smaller model

[hoary lion]

oh

[stark needle]

many models

[hoary lion]

matryoshika?

[stark needle]

ye

[hoary lion]

or how do i spell it

lmao

[cosmic sphinx]

matryoshka

of all the names

[stark needle]

per layer embedding

[hoary lion]

never thought it would be used for text gen

[rough bloom]

somehow didn't hear about the new Gemma models yet? they've been out for ages already (24h)

[hoary lion]

it is good for uhh

embeddings

[maiden geyser]

karinka? marinka?

[hoary lion]

elite vocaloid knowledge

[rigid snow]

what are they going to do? name it “russian doll transformer”?

[maiden geyser]

recursive

[stark needle]

HOLY SHIT

[rough bloom]

In the case of Gemma 3n, the E4B model contains the parameters of the E2B model

[covert garnet]

ew it's google

[stark needle]

its basically

meant as oss astra

[hoary lion]

Root my android

[cosmic sphinx]

wait a minute

MULTIMODAL

AT 2 BILLION PARAMS

what monster is this

[rigid snow]

???

[stark needle]

pc control

as well

and u can scale it down cause matformer

[cosmic sphinx]

very interesting

[rigid snow]

ok i think i need to read up on things i’m so lost

[hoary lion]

I would not scale it down when it is accessing my computer

[stark needle]

theres a 2b and 4b

this is op

lol

[rough bloom]

2B params + the per-layer embeddings, in reality it should be closer to ~6B parameters total
the 2B params are the ones that are always active

still really impressive

[stark needle]

per layer embedding can be stored on disk

[rough bloom]

yeah, it's just still part of the model

[stark needle]

the most op part is the audio encoder

lol

[hoary lion]

audio??

damn

[stark needle]

audio input lmfao

[hoary lion]

I was actually waiting for gemma audio input

time to prune thy layers and use it as an encoder

wrong damn emoji

[stark needle]

they dont provide the torch impl

[cosmic sphinx]

actually huge

[stark needle]

only tflite impl

[hoary lion]

tensorflow

worst ml library

[cosmic sphinx]

me first reading about TF compared to torch: wooow this is so cool ima use this in my project

me reading after all that that it requires to be installed on WSL in order to run: im going with torch

[stark needle]

lol

[cosmic sphinx]

Answer: "Just ask Gemini to write one for you smh"

[hoary lion]

Give me the JAX/Flax implementation pls

it's yall own product smh

[rough bloom]

they don't compare benchmarks to other models on their HF page, but from the numbers it looks similar to Llama 3.1 8B
except it has much fewer active parameters because of the per-layer embeddings, it has image and audio input, and it has the computer control thing
actually really good

The current checkpoint only supports text and vision input

[stark needle]

the audio encoder arch likely wont be released

lol

i doubt they will

[hoary lion]

audio when

[rough bloom]

they say they want to roll it out "over the coming weeks"
surely that's referring to the open-source part

[hoary lion]

that better be under a month

because nobody actually release it in a week

look at kokoro tts

[cosmic sphinx]

went to try out the new audio gen model in ai studio

cannot connect

https://tenor.com/5sJt.gif

[hoary lion]

[olive sable]

Phone dead bwaa

[hoary lion]

[olive sable]

Why does this thing have dolby atmos btw?Its a phone

[cosmic sphinx]

its acc cool for sound enhancement with headphones

[olive sable]

fair i guess

[hoary lion]

cause it is dolby

it is everywhere

[tender river]

can yousend a url

[raw trout]

https://tenor.com/view/party-mix-gachibass-gif-20245009

[cosmic sphinx]

[stark needle]

me when

everyone tries to release within the same 3 days

[cosmic sphinx]

claude 4 sonnet
available only on PRO MAX ULTRA tier for $299/month
5 prompts per lifetime

[trim valve]

gotta keep the subway surfer attention span of techbros going

[stark needle]

konii when the word "rythm" is mentioned

[cosmic sphinx]

hype

partially true

hype generates interest
interest generates investments
investments generate money

[tender river]

okay thats a long anubis

[limber hill]

Feels good when your script finally starts working.

[tender river]

looks like no jit but exceptions and floats look scary

aha so via a syscall

[elder basin]

I want to DIE !!!
I just waste 5h of my life sherching a bug in a program and guest what there was never a bug to begin with...

[sick owl]

As improbable as a brown out is BIOS updates always get me sweating

[amber chasm]

My Uni has decided they want to use my final project in their open events and visit days 😎

[sick owl]

We do a little firmware cracking

[tender river]

interesting design choice to not use SSA but i suppose this way it's easier when compiling to von neumann archs

[cosmic sphinx]

man, I wish google actually let people who can speak english properly do their presentations

or heck even, let your own product do the translation like you showcased it

surely it won't be a problem at all

[tender river]

anything is an IR before it becomes electrons

and IRs are compile results too

and you may serialize an IR as well

wikipedia literally says "Intermediate representations such as bytecode"

SPIRV isnt compiler internal

[warped narwhal]

256 explicit registers is interesting as well, usually processors will just implicitly alias most of those

Your processor has 256 registers in it right now 😉

[tender river]

probably that was easier to work with in the early stages of making the compiler lol

anyway the purpose of a bytecode is not walking the ast every time but its not machine code, it has to be interpreted or compiled further

everyone dies a little inside when they have to make a 3134th IR for the same language

at least its not a combinatorial explosion

yeah it makes perfect sense as a way of simplifying language development

[warped narwhal]

X86 CPUs have register banks that contain hundreds of registers that are mapped at execution time to avoid data dependencies, so when you call ADD R8, R12 twice in a row, you could actually be writing to two different physical registers

[tender river]

we have structured programming at home

[warped narwhal]

Pretty much, it is called register renaming

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Register_renaming

[tender river]

functio is a classic

or funct

no i think i saw functi somewhere too

is this forth or what

mhm this is the fourth language

written by a psychopath, as expected of a forth fan

[maiden geyser]

zig 💀

based?

[tender river]

MaybeUninit
why not OnceLock/OnceCell

i did that when processing images for arg if theres ub and some data ends up corrupted i dont care its just an image

[rare bramble]

what is this rust - C abomination

started writing rust 1.5 years ago, I have only ever used 2 unsafe blocks, both in embedded project. One to make register writing a little faster for specific registers since i was doing that thousands of times a second and it's a real time project so it needed to be fast and the other use was a nop waiter since the timers in the crate werent precise enough for me

[tender river]

what, you can do _ = instead of let _ =?

the vibes i'm getting from this is "BORN TO DIE WORLD IS A FUCK I am unsafe code 410,757,864,530 race conditions"

personally concurrency is my current microobsession because of having to deal with it a lot at my job

clean handling of allocation failures? blasphemy

tabs jumpscare me every single time

[maiden geyser]

what's the point of hblang

is it like osakaos

[trim valve]

[maiden geyser]

is it jealoussy or /srs

[tender river]

what do you use for blending

i tried all sorts of things only to end up with this dead simple implementation

compilers are good at optimizing that kind of stuff though

there's this abomination too that i didnt end up using

[trim valve]

what the

[rare bramble]

[tender river]

no division

[trim valve]

I assume this has zero care for linear / non-linear shenanegans

[tender river]

i did try to use srgb for blending but it was slower even with lookup tables

[trim valve]

idk much about what this is for but are these just the values being output directly to the monitor essentially?

[tender river]

yes

[trim valve]

ic

(I should know what effect this has but alas my head is not working)

[stark needle]

this must be a joke so i just got a new monitor and they tell me i may have to "unfortunately" keep the monitor

[trim valve]

afaik you're probably running a gamma 2.2 monitor so I think your frame buffer is effectively having c^(1/2.2) applied to each pixel (before it gets displayed to you)

but my head is not letting my visualise x^(1/2.2) {0 <= x <= 1}

colour is so to think about sometimese

[stark needle]

Talking about color

Turns out

The color rating on my Monitor

Was done at max contrast

This is so weird

[trim valve]

color rating?

[stark needle]

Dci p3 99%

But at max contrast it looks bad

[trim valve]

well yeah

[stark needle]

So is this even achievable

In practice

[trim valve]

contrast shouldn't affect coverage unless you set it to take away contrast I think?

unless your monitor is doing something really cursed

https://www.wide-gamut.com/test

open this page in any chromium browser and look at the "Can your monitor display a wide colour gamut?" section

[tender river]

the thing is there are many methods of blending

[trim valve]

or-based colour blending

[tender river]

personally the best resource on color maths i know is this file https://github.com/libsdl-org/SDL/blob/main/src/video/SDL_blit.h

[olive sable]

what in the?

[trim valve]

idk it almost looks like konii just did colour_a | colour_b lol

[olive sable]

ohhh. ye thats not even blending

or well, kinda?

[midnight zodiac]

How can I create an attention mask for multi-head attention? I don't get it.

[olive sable]

in opengl this would beglBlendEquation(GL_MAX)

[trim valve]

also more importantly you're very unlikely to be doing stuff that uses wide gamut properly anyways

[stark needle]

for causal or bidirectional attention?

[stark needle]

Fair enough thing is just i want actually color accurate display

My tablet is

Supposedly also color accurate but

[trim valve]

that's seperate to its coverage of the p3 space

I could have 100% p3 coverage but horrible accuracy

[midnight zodiac]

Causal

[stark needle]

ooh i didnt know that

[trim valve]

I suggest checking if there's an icc profile for your display if that's something you want

some manufacturers provide them

[stark needle]

It annoys me the drawings i do on my tablet look nothing like on my laptop nor on my pc

[tender river]

what are the input event semantics? i.e. theres mouse delta which is inherently stateful but is the delta reported per each consumer (whatever a consumer is) or just first come first serve or where can i look into this?

[trim valve]

what tablet?

[stark needle]

Lenovo xiaoxin pad pro 2025

[trim valve]

ic

I can't make my regular complaint as its not a samsung

[trim valve]

this shouldn't happen btw

they should look decently similar

[stark needle]

my thinkpad monitor is supposedly xrite color calibrated

[tender river]

oh i found it, theres 1 buffer for mouse and 1 for kb

[stark needle]

And i assume my phone should hopefully also be calibrated but idk if google does that

But yea i have 0 color consistency across my devices

[trim valve]

my biggest concern with phones / tablets is the recent shitty push of "vibrant" colour

[stark needle]

Is that just saturation or what does vibrant change?

[trim valve]

its kinda weird to explain if you don't have a good footing but basically it takes your device's srgb output and maps it onto a p3 output

so some colours appear more vibrant that srgb can actually display

but in the process you throw out the phone's colour accuracy and ability to display p3 content

[stark needle]

Thats kinda the problem i have, the contrast and saturation looks completely different

The hue is somewhat the same

Usually washed out outside my tablet

[tender river]

i like how the tradition of there being one person in this channel weirdly obsessed with color spaces is continuing

[trim valve]

I still feel a bit bad for being mean to nacht about colour stuff

[trim valve]

oh my god I'm getting fucking firefox diffed

[tender river]

well nacht was a combative person so its not strictly you

[trim valve]

tl;dr firefox is silly and applies the same shitty effect as "vibrant"

[stark needle]

Only setting i have

[tender river]

theres an emoji for tangerines but not for oranges

this is discrimination

[stark needle]

Wtf is a tangerine

[trim valve]

(almost accidentally took a selfie here because of the glossy screen lmao)

[tender river]

orange fruit you eat in december

its smol and easy to peel

[trim valve]

I like it for the deep blacks it has

[stark needle]

isnt that a mandarine no?

[trim valve]

obviously this isn't the easiest to show because I'm inherently trying to show something my camera can't really show

[stark needle]

Looks the same

[tender river]

in some languages but its just called tangerine in english

[trim valve]

but see how the edge picture is more "desaturated"?

[tender river]

at least i never saw mandarine

[trim valve]

this is because firefox is essentially oversaturating it

so edge is actually correct here

idk it sucks to explain when you're literally trying to show colours that don't exist in the srgb gamut 😭

[stark needle]

Thats what i know here

[trim valve]

also grr discord why must you fuck with uploaded pngs

yes unconventional metadata can be used to make silly images

but it also has real use cases

[stark needle]

Wait so if color coverage doesnt matter if not well calibrated, why is it 24/7 advertised

[trim valve]

marketing

[tender river]

thats actually interesting, looks like in english everyone just says "tangerine" but in russian everyone says "mandarin" but theres words for both in both languages

[trim valve]

there's a reason I hated the "138% srgb coverage"

that phrase is exclusively a marketing ploy

[trim valve]

is this your tablet or your phone?

[trim valve]

https://aoc.com/me-en/gaming/products/monitors/ag326ud/downloads

idk why its classed as a driver but there's an icc profile in there that you can apply in windows settings

[tender river]

so no networking or files?

[trim valve]

I just hate how hard it is to get a good footing of what's "right" for digital colour

like if you've lived your whole life on displays that are oversaturated a properly setup display looks so desaturated and sad

[stark needle]

this is my phone

[trim valve]

if you take the same photo and look at it on both your phone and the tablet does the tablet look signficantly more "vibrant"?

[olive sable]

to a certain point. iirc its lcd not oled, so the dark colours are fucked

[trim valve]

I keep getting distracted by talking about colour instead of doing actual work

[olive sable]

im supposed to finish my poweproint by tomorrow, but i cycled 50km instead and im too tired to function now

lemme get some coffee

coffee at 10pm always a good idea

[tender river]

systemctl suspend

[stark needle]

Actually with the oled monitor it's the other way around

...

u can see it irl much better

But if u check the clothes mostly

[olive sable]

tablet looks brighter?

[ruby timber]

G'evening

[stark needle]

kinda. On my Thinkpad it looks completely different then

[olive sable]

geveningn't

[trim valve]

yeah this is part of the problem

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

try out https://www.wide-gamut.com/test on your pc I'm mildly curious

[stark needle]

i can not see a w

[trim valve]

bruhge

[olive sable]

what is wide colour gamut?

[trim valve]

:3

[olive sable]

also, im red-green colourblind

[trim valve]

😭

[stark needle]

wait what

[olive sable]

yes

[trim valve]

how do I explain this without really confusing diagrams

[stark needle]

google didnt u literally invent jpeg xl AND chrome

[trim valve]

ok so basically the inside of the triangle labelled "sRGB" represents all the colours a "normal" sRGB display would be able to show and likewise the p3 shows all of the colours that are representable on a p3 display

[ruby timber]

laughs in zen browser (firefox)

[trim valve]

its called wide gamut because the gamut is bigger

[rare bramble]

🐥 🚬 google abandoning their own inventions

[trim valve]

(gamut is just the set of representable colours)

[tender river]

google didnt invent jxl

[stark needle]

not?

bruh i thought

[tender river]

they did contribute some of the research but their main thing is webp

[trim valve]

ofc the colours on this diagram that are outside of the srgb triangle are entirely meaningless as this is an srgb image but that's besides the point

[olive sable]

mine should be DCI-P3 98%

[stark needle]

lemme test on zen browser as well

[trim valve]

does your monitor have a setting for the colour space

[olive sable]

huh, i can see the W now

[trim valve]

it might work

[olive sable]

wonky as webpage

[trim valve]

its not the webpage's fault 😭

[olive sable]

no i didnt change any settings

[stark needle]

yea

should i set to p3

or srgb

[olive sable]

p3

[trim valve]

if you have a p3 option try that

[olive sable]

srgb is SMOL

[trim valve]

hopefully that convinces windows to kick in its wide gamut stuff and doesn't instead do some cursed stuff and lie to windows

[olive sable]

refrsh?

[trim valve]

you may have to restart your browser

stuff doesn't like colour settings changing whilst running a lot of the time

[trim valve]

might also be worth installing the icc profile from here but idrk if that will help at all

[olive sable]

I like how windows cant take a screenshot of this

[trim valve]

:3

also that is barely visible good lord

[olive sable]

the

[trim valve]

I assume that's just a camera moment though

[olive sable]

W is more visiable irl ye

[stark needle]

what does the icc profile do

[trim valve]

stuff

[stark needle]

lemme just restart windows

maybe something magic happens

wait

am i supposed to enable hdr in windows

[trim valve]

at least on my laptop that breaks wide gamut

or at the very least breaks my colour calibration

[olive sable]

win hdr only specifically likes ultra HDR blue

[stark needle]

Wtf i didnt know grub was not gray

Oled grub

[trim valve]

yeah that happens

[olive sable]

srgb looks kinda washed out ngl

[stark needle]

Ok

After rebooting i see the w

[trim valve]

🙏

[trim valve]

yeah that is kinda the reaction I had

[trim valve]

also default a lot of devices with oled screens take the srgb values and directly give them to a p3 display because it looks "better"

[frosty seal]

when i turn on hdr everything just becomes more desaturated, even the supposed hdr content

[olive sable]

ye same thing for me, looks so diffrent

[frosty seal]

even with the calibration

[trim valve]

it sure doesn't look like it does for me lol

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

I shit you not the colours changed after I took a photo of it

[stark needle]

same

[olive sable]

yours is more bright pink than mine, eventho im also on chromium with hdr on mointors

[stark needle]

this looks so bad

[olive sable]

the hdr one is what its supposed to look like no?

[stark needle]

with me with the prophoto image, the red is mostly different, blue somewhat and green barely

[olive sable]

im suprised that its like that for you with a QD panel

you should have more colour than my 3 panels combined

[olive sable]

so which one is the correct one? is mine and konii's hdr wrong?

[frosty seal]

got bored today so i wrote something to create a huge zip bomb, and i somehow ended up compressing ~1.446 * 10^55 gigabytes (not confirmed, theorized from doing calculations inside the code) to 455.19 kilobytes

[trim valve]

I think mine is right

[hoary lion]

welcome to #monitor

[trim valve]

but you both took screenshots which is almost certainly not helping

especially on discord

😭

[midnight zodiac]

Causal attention

[stark needle]

torch ones + https://docs.pytorch.org/docs/stable/generated/torch.tril.html

[olive sable]

it looks exactly the same irl so idk

[trim valve]

o rip

my only experience like that was windows had somehow fucked up my hdr brightness settings

or well the sdr brightness but for whatever reason that affects hdr

[frosty seal]

should i get quality sleep or waste time optimizing it even further

[hoary lion]

https://flax.readthedocs.io/en/v0.5.3/_autosummary/flax.linen.make_causal_mask.html
flax

[trim valve]

for reference this is what a screenshot looks like for me lol

[olive sable]

imo think about how to optemize it in your sleep

[olive sable]

damn thats crazy

[trim valve]

honestly I think that neon image is just significantly brighter than either of your monitors can display

[olive sable]

iirc we both have hdr400

[stark needle]

This is with hdr enabled

[trim valve]

try changing your sdr content brightness with whilst looking at this page

you might be able to get it a little more reasonable

though ymmv

[olive sable]

and the crowd goes mild

[stark needle]

the woman on the bottom tho looks better in hdr

[olive sable]

thats a woman?

oh wait, you meant 2 down

not the drummer

[trim valve]

anyways enjoy your newfound mild inconvenices with colour that you would've never known about before

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

hdr anime clips on YT look insane tho

[olive sable]

i did calibrate the brightness already at least

[trim valve]

oh yeah there's also nvidia's ai hdr thing which I've heard is decent

[olive sable]

one of these days il get a HDR1000+ dispaly and burn my eyes out

[stark needle]

my monitor can make 1000 nits peak hdr

or something

i think

[kindred swallow]

Guys, i need python to numerically solve a sparse matrix equation Ax=b, where matrix A is size of ~2500x2500, what libraries/methods could you recommend?

[olive sable]

numpy

[stark needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVm2Debv_Ic this looks insane in hdr

[olive sable]

https://numpy.org/doc/2.2/reference/generated/numpy.linalg.solve.html

literaly this single function

[kindred swallow]

its ass

[olive sable]

[kindred swallow]

it does not solve it correctly

[olive sable]

are you sure?

[kindred swallow]

pretty much yeah

[trim valve]

never used it personally though because I don't really use hdr on my laptop

[kindred swallow]

cause it solves it by finding an inverse matrix

[olive sable]

no it doesnt

[trim valve]

damn ai upscaling, interpolation and hdr

[olive sable]

as far as i know this is 100x faster than the inverse function

[trim valve]

oh also just a bit of general advice, you can do win alt b to toggle hdr without digging through settings

[kindred swallow]

does it not? as i remember it uses LAPACK

[olive sable]

"The solutions are computed using LAPACK routine _gesv."

i guess it does

[stark needle]

it says in windows my monitor is not hdr certified

[olive sable]

noooooo

[stark needle]

but on the spec sheet it says it is displayhdr certified

[olive sable]

it shopuld be, i checked the link you sent before

[trim valve]

:3

[trim valve]

yeah that happens

idk why

[tender river]

LAPACK is just a library, it doesnt matter whether it uses LAPACK or something else

[trim valve]

one sec lemme check what my desktop says

[stark needle]

thats crazy

[trim valve]

(surely remote desktop shenanegans will not fuck with it)

[stark needle]

idk if this is good or bad

[olive sable]

i got this (x3)

[olive sable]

it should be good

[prime ridge]

why does everybody have a 1660 bruh

[trim valve]

(ignore the 60hz that's sunshine fucking with my display settings)

[olive sable]

i have VRR apparently, i didnt even know

[trim valve]

the 1660 is a good card

[prime ridge]

ik

[olive sable]

its alright

[trim valve]

runs all the game I throw at it

(just)

[prime ridge]

it aint no 3090 😂

[stark needle]

Also i got this

U have a 3070 or something iirc?

[tender river]

my card runs all the games i throw at it too (osu!, factorio, balatro)

but when i throw at it the games i don't throw at it (frostpunk, disco elysium) it overheats and dies

[prime ridge]

My gpu also runs all games I throw at it (none)

[olive sable]

ye you should be good.
maybe you have to turn HDR on in the monitor settings?

[stark needle]

Wait what

i mean if it runs it runs

[tender river]

it was actually so funny to me when my gpu overheated in frostpunk

but its fine on low settings

[hoary lion]

defeating the frost with your PC

[stark needle]

No need for rtx 87900

[trim valve]

(tf2, ow2, cs2, celeste)

[stark needle]

Wait i should test osu

On this

[trim valve]

that thing barely runs overwatch though

[stark needle]

With my massive skill issue

[olive sable]

@bwaa check if hdr is on in the monitor settings

[trim valve]

I think I have it at 60% render resolution

[tender river]

true!

[prime ridge]

[tender river]

the two genders

[olive sable]

ive been wondering this, can i use a tablet as osu trackpad?

[tender river]

or the 5 in this case

[trim valve]

chayleaf are you gamer 1 or gamer 2

[tender river]

i'd like to think i'm not a gamer

[trim valve]

😔

[olive sable]

got it, chayleaf is Vivid

[tender river]

https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/141

[olive sable]

i identify as RTS

[stark needle]

I have this ugly tearing

[trim valve]

vsync time

[tender river]

are you using stable

because if so just dont

[olive sable]

vsync or gsync ye

[tender river]

its that easy

[stark needle]

I have gsync enabled

[olive sable]

ah

[trim valve]

oh yeah true I forgot people use stable

[olive sable]

hmmmmmm

[trim valve]

ffs this chat is too interesting how am I supposed to focus on slop

[tender river]

let me help you goes to bed

[olive sable]

ye im colourblind. my eyes broke

i cant see this

i know its something green

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

a 5 or some shit

[ruby timber]

3 actually

So almost there

[trim valve]

there is no green in that image

[ruby timber]

Yeah it's blue

Miku blue

[olive sable]

what?

[trim valve]

or well I guess it depends if you count teal as green

[raw trout]

It's like a teal blue

[olive sable]

its like this colour no?

[trim valve]

the number is ye

[raw trout]

ye

[trim valve]

the background is just gray

[olive sable]

THATS BLUE???????

[raw trout]

kinda, mixed

I'm not too good with colors lol

[trim valve]

it depends who you ask

[olive sable]

teal in dutch is appelblauwzeegroen. which translates to "apple blue, sea green"

[trim valve]

yeah that's fair

in this case the gray around it makes it look blue to me

but I can also tell there's green in it

[olive sable]

we do a bit of trolling

[trim valve]

sam what about this one

[kindred swallow]

well, i may not know how exactly it solves the equation, but its analog in scipy gives me a warning that my matrix is ill-conditioned and it does not solve it correctly

[trim valve]

allegedly this one is like the inverse of a colourblind test image

[ruby timber]

I'm 100% not color blind and can only read a somewhat 0 on the right

Or the word "no"?

[olive sable]

i have no fucking clue what im looking at

[trim valve]

I can loosely see some stuff but nothing concrete

ok 😭

[ruby timber]

Same

[trim valve]

I guess that one might not be the right colourblinsess kind for you

[olive sable]

im deutan

[trim valve]

apparently this coke ad is targeted towards that

[olive sable]

ah

[kindred swallow]

snakes

[ruby timber]

The kraken

[olive sable]

it lookes like some swirleys before, but now that you mentioned coke i see it

[trim valve]

alledgedly you're supposed to see this

but

(supposed to say life)

[olive sable]

i do

oh

[ruby timber]

[olive sable]

i thought i was just misremembering the coke logo

i have it on my 2nd monitor to double check lol

[rare bramble]

googled reverse color blind images, I can see all the numbers in them

i'm 100000% not color blind

[trim valve]

google is kinda bad at finding stuff from the search term

[olive sable]

i cant see these

[frosty seal]

roma

rmoa

[trim valve]

that first test would make a sick colour palette

[kindred swallow]

moar

[stark needle]

??????

[covert garnet]

ramo

[rare bramble]

rmoa

[covert garnet]

2015 vibes

[hoary lion]

I can't unsee this 😭

[olive sable]

if you're colourblind, like me

[olive sable]

bro has never seen the cumsum smh

[hoary lion]

already seen

[frosty seal]

Roma is a name in russian (short for Roman (Роман))

[hoary lion]

this better

[rigid snow]

this one is clever because it distracts you by making the lines continuous but once i saw what one is supposed to see then i see

[rigid snow]

see, saw see see, see see. see

[hoary lion]

[olive sable]

why is everyone suddenly spamming ramo/rmoa?

[hoary lion]

it says
r o
m a

[olive sable]

oh

[covert garnet]

the question is, why not?

[olive sable]

[hoary lion]

can't you see it?

[trim valve]

mrao

[olive sable]

nope, thats the whole point of being colourblind

[trim valve]

so glad I can see colours

[olive sable]

i can see the yellow...

[trim valve]

otherwise chromaticity diagrams would not make a whole lot of sense

[hoary lion]

[stark needle]

at least it looks like u can see lilac normally ish

[olive sable]

i mean, i do see colours still. its just that red and green kinda look the same sometimes

[trim valve]

shadow is that the same picture as this?

[stark needle]

no this is whit colorblind filter

[trim valve]

🙏

I am not going insane

[stark needle]

this is orig

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[stark needle]

wait are they the same to u

[olive sable]

are they not?

[kindred swallow]

no

[olive sable]

what changed?

[kindred swallow]

blue and purple respectively

[stark needle]

the second lilac is much more vibrant

[kindred swallow]

hair color

[olive sable]

blue and purple is basicly the same shit to me

[stark needle]

[olive sable]

as a child i used to think hot pink was purple cuz purple is just blue

[stark needle]

wait

does my hair look blue then in vrchat

[stray dragon]

the hair goes from blue to purple, the dress has a bit of a different hue in the middle, the eyes are more vibrant

[olive sable]

nah its purple

[trim valve]

ok I would actually die if this was how I was seeing these diagrams

[olive sable]

but i thought lilac had purple hair too

[trim valve]

like its not awful, there's some context

but still

[olive sable]

the right one just looks double as bad to me now

[trim valve]

😭

[stark needle]

heres another one

[olive sable]

the background changed...

[tender river]

then you have to actually understand the warning, also not all equation systems have a solution

[stark needle]

first is with the filter

second is normal

[olive sable]

normal bg is purpler

[trim valve]

shadow random questions but are the beads near the hair supposed to be a hot pink or a lighter pink

[stark needle]

this is with full blindness filter

[trim valve]

like on the device you drew it on

I should really write a tool to simulate fucked up srgb->p3 stuff

but in reverse so its even more scuffed

:3

[olive sable]

violet is just fancy blue. i do see amgenta and purple

[hoary lion]

🤔

[nocturne olive]

Whar is this silliness?

[trim valve]

colour

[olive sable]

#programming has discovered im colurblind deutan