programming

[stark needle]

Just bought this thing (my dad gifted it to me) https://aoc.com/me-en/gaming/products/monitors/ag326ud

[solar quail]

Also it is on a legacy system so i am pretty sure that wont work unless someone is ready to code out something for this specific use case which everyone is too lazy to

[amber fractal]

Dang it we do need this

[scarlet arch]

neat

[tight tinsel]

i have this

[prime plaza]

I can say this was my first time ever talking about AI sentience in my entire life**

[scarlet arch]

[prime plaza]

and I did kinda try to stop after I heard it happened a lot

[amber fractal]

Half of these are free spaces though

[prime plaza]

sorry I just get upset when people are just rude in their reasoning or debates, so someone just flat out saying "no you're wrong" so bluntly ticked me off a little

[solar quail]

Feet

[trim valve]

wide colour gamut pogs

[solar quail]

Hi how can i make my own neuro

[trim valve]

now you can join the colour schizoing

[solar quail]

Fair enough

[prime plaza]

yeah it's from hanakyo's server, thought it was better than just "wuwa"

[solar quail]

XD nice

[amber fractal]

"Get the FAQ chart"

-# I need to finish the FAQ chart

[solar quail]

"Hey babe new FAQ chart just dropped"

[prime plaza]

honestly the longer I spend here the more of these I see

can't say I've seen the AI doomposting one before

[solar quail]

Femboy?

[scarlet arch]

a fellow degen, wohoo

[solar quail]

Who is the femboy here

[scarlet arch]

[noble zodiac]

who isn't

[amber fractal]

Checks out

[solar quail]

Checks out

[prime plaza]

tbh I can't tell if I am one

[solar quail]

Are you one?

[prime plaza]

well I'm deciding between that or trans

[solar quail]

Femboy sounds cooler

Unless u wanna be a transformer

Then do that

[prime plaza]

true I can be an AI datacenter

or whatever they're called

[solar quail]

And i will burn saki down to the ground

[prime plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[amber fractal]

You know what, frick it I got time to work on the FAQ chart today

[prime plaza]

If I could actually learn how to code and understand this chat more that'd be great though

[solar quail]

Im gonna do if else and for loop for all my code ❤️

Be like yandev

[amber fractal]

Maybe one of these days we'll get bingo as well

[solar quail]

My role model

[solar quail]

Hell yes

[tight tinsel]

bingo when

hi shadow

[stark needle]

How do i make my own neurt with sentience with the new ai model that just dropped

[ruby timber]

hi shadow

[trim valve]

@stark needle actually completely random question but you run w11 right?

[amber fractal]

When I'm not schizoing on AI

[stark needle]

Ye

[trim valve]

ok good

because wide gamut monitors are weird with w10

[prime plaza]

I can't even figure out how the for loop works lol

[ruby timber]

I love this

[solar quail]

It repeats until condition is met

[tight tinsel]

need 24 slots for bingo and past the list I can’t think of any more

[solar quail]

U forgot the good morning

[ruby timber]

"we need to pin the charts"

[trim valve]

I do hate how monitors say this though

[prime plaza]

wuh

[trim valve]

138% sRGB coverage !!!

[solar quail]

"How many sentience AI arguments has there been?"

[solar quail]

1976

[amber fractal]

Best we got in that front is whenever I actually finish the FAQ which I am very close to rewriting but deciding not to.

[trim valve]

its just weird formatting

[amber fractal]

I've gotten permission to merge the others

[solar quail]

Oof

[tight tinsel]

is the hiccup census still ongoing

[solar quail]

Hiccup

[trim valve]

I think the 1976 is just meaning its the relative area on this diagram as opposed to one of the older revisions

[solar quail]

Basically mathetical version of colour

[trim valve]

because you also have 1931 which is shaped a little differently I think?

I can't tell if its dates or just incremental numbers

[trim valve]

yeah that is one colour space

[solar quail]

Wouldnt it be increment usually? I have no experience with this tho

[stark needle]

I mean idk

It's a good monitor

[trim valve]

idr cie is quirky

yeah the monitor looks great

just get ready for a world of different software displaying the same thing slightly different

[stark needle]

Yea

I got a 4k 32 inch at work

I was gonna buy 360hz 27 inch qd oled

But nah i alr got 1440p

It cost me ~700 usd

[trim valve]

ofc you can always pull a samsung and default your wide gamut screen to stretching the srgb colour space instead of being wide gamut

actually annoys me so much

[trim valve]

(or at least I think that's what they're doing)

[stark needle]

I was gonna buy samsung cause matte screen

[trim valve]

gloss is actually really nice on oled

[stark needle]

Ive had gloss on a 4k oled thinkpad

Annoying when glare

[trim valve]

true

depends how your monitor is setup in your room ig

[stark needle]

Yea

[amber fractal]

Why did past me decide to not hardcode objects and instead make all of it config driven?

[manic thicket]

.

[amber fractal]

Regardless of my sanity that is what I got to do.

[nocturne olive]

You're continuing that image thing? I guess just let me know when you need data on my tech

[dense cosmos]

man, my code feels soooo messy

[solar quail]

Cleaner than mine

At least u have comments on it

[scarlet arch]

but no spaces after //

[trim valve]

is there a reason get_species_size is snake case while the rest of the methods are PascalCase

[dense cosmos]

no, I'm just super inconsistent with my naming

[trim valve]

[dense cosmos]

I should pick a standard ngl

[rigid snow]

step 1 to cleaner code: stop using cpp

[tight tinsel]

mods pls pin this work of art

[olive sable]

Mods

[amber fractal]

Let the games begin

[tight tinsel]

"hi guys how can i have my own neuro idk how to program also can someone do it for me for free"

[solar quail]

Turing test

[solar quail]

Sounds about right

[trim valve]

I recon it'd be pretty easy to come up with a message that checks off like 1/3 of that board at once

[amber fractal]

I like how sentience is here twice, it totally makes sense

[unkempt citrus]

tbf teyre slightly different

[amber fractal]

1/3? I'm pretty sure a full board clear is possible

[amber fractal]

Frick

[tight tinsel]

im vedal wdym!??!

frick wrong account

[noble zodiac]

time to implement a purely functional persistent hash array mapped trie

[prime plaza]

man, I wish I could do literally a quarter of that

[dense cosmos]

you can, in time

[prime plaza]

I just keep getting stuck and don't know how to learn

[dense cosmos]

what are you stuck on?

[prime plaza]

well this time it's something I was suggested to try and make to help me get more idea for things to make, which is just a randomizer that joins a ton of letters and spaces together like a monkey jumping on a keyboard

now that I say it out loud I can't tell if they were joking or not

[dense cosmos]

that's a pretty good task for beginners

[prime plaza]

but basically I got the randomness part down, just not the looping part, and I hate always going to chatgpt to just essentially cheat my way to making it

[dense cosmos]

well, let's work through it

first, how many random characters do you want to make?

[prime plaza]

well this is what I got so far, the 'random.shuffle()' thing came from google though

[dense cosmos]

hmm

[prime plaza]

I can think of a really roundabout way to make it loop a specific amount of times, but it probably isn't the greatest

[dense cosmos]

there's an issue with using random.shuffle and the alphabet

do you know what random.shuffle() does?

well, it shuffles the list

the problem is, that's not the same as getting a random word or the such

because words can have duplicate letters

[safe path]

where is emacs in the bingo

[stone cedar]

Editor/tooling wars could be a good one

[amber fractal]

Not talked about often enough smh

[rigid snow]

so rare no point of having an entry

[amber fractal]

Editor wars would be a nice one for a rare one

[prime plaza]

I didn't, I just searched for how to make a list that wasn't ordered and google gave me that

[amber fractal]

Linux wars via same catigory

[prime plaza]

because I know there's the lists that use: (), [], and {}, but that's it

[dense cosmos]

https://docs.python.org/3/library/random.html

the documentation tells you how the functions behave

[rigid snow]

two of those are not lists

[dense cosmos]

just look it up, and you'll find it

[rigid snow]

tuples are lists kind of

but no

[amber fractal]

I can't debug the code, looks like rewriting is starting early

[dense cosmos]

I mean, lists as lists or Lists the data structure

[prime plaza]

they were all just explained in the same topic so I assumed they were all just different types of lists

feels like every time I learn something new, it requires me to learn 5 more things on top of it

[rigid snow]

you can think of () tuples as a kind of list sure, but {} dicts are not lists in any sense

[dense cosmos]

https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/controlflow.html <- info on loops and branches and other stuff

[prime plaza]

[heady mural]

I have question

[olive sable]

Ask

[heady mural]

I'm new at coding and I have a problem

[prime plaza]

I'm so lost, there's so much stuff

[heady mural]

So I try to put image but it didnt show up

Idk why

[dense cosmos]

try c instead of python, maybe?

[heady mural]

Also I'm using HTML

[rare bramble]

that would confuse her so much more tho

[rigid snow]

where’s “html problem” on the bingo

[olive sable]

Ah, welp cant help with that

[dense cosmos]

idk, it was easier for me to learn c than python

[heady mural]

Awwww

[prime plaza]

I just started python I don't wanna spend even more time starting over 😭

[heady mural]

K k

[olive sable]

Im sure someone else here can help

[dense cosmos]

alrighty

[heady mural]

I will ask again later

[tight tinsel]

no idea for what project i want to do next

[stone cedar]

Show code? Also does the console say something (might tell you if the resource is not found etc.)

[rigid snow]

ask chatgpt or something

about the html stuff

[tight tinsel]

meh probably a screensaver or something visual

[amber fractal]

Free space should be code question

[rare bramble]

you could probably use random.sample for this, it takes random items from a list without removing them so you can take as many from the list as you want. using shuffle and joining the list will use all the items once, just in random order

[trim valve]

dunnae tell me I didnae make it

[amber fractal]

Yeah that's why I didn't ping you

I know who did, just didn't want to scroll

[trim valve]

smh my head

[heady mural]

I did but still doesn't work

[noble zodiac]

not much we can do about it without seeing what you actually did

[prime plaza]

wtf does it want me to put a 'k' there for 😭

honestly on the brink of giving up learning this it's just so much for something so simple

[noble zodiac]

sample expects two arguments, a sequence and k which is the length of the sample you want

[heady mural]

I can't send a photo

I wish I can

But nope

[dense cosmos]

try following a tutorial? I think it should be a lot less overwhelming

let me try and find some

[prime plaza]

what about tutorial hell

[dense cosmos]

worry about that later

tutorials can be a great way to start

[prime plaza]

so far all I've really done with tutorials is watch 3 and a half hours of a 12 hour one

-# is sending links allowed?

[dense cosmos]

it is

[prime plaza]

then I've been following this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix9cRaBkVe0&t=11934s

but the more I go through it, the more specific and niche the tutorials get, like they're useless

[dense cosmos]

https://www.youtube.com/@TheCodingTrain there's this guy, though he doesn't use python, his tutorials are pretty fun

[rare bramble]

at least with vscode, if you hover the function, it will show you the documentation for it, the documentation usually includes a sample usage of the function

[dense cosmos]

idk about that tutorial

I'd recommend going for shorter ones

like 30 mins - 2 hours at most

preferably less than an hour

[prime plaza]

it's just a video compiling a ton of shorter tutorials together

[dense cosmos]

yeah, but there's a bit of satisfaction you get from completing tutorials, and a long ass vid doesn't help when you see the progress bar

[prime plaza]

well which tutorials should I watch then?

time aside, idk what topics I need

[tender river]

live your life in such a way there's a disambiguation page for <your name>'s theorem

[dense cosmos]

hmm... I don't have any good resources for python

[prime plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[knotty current]

for me

chatgpt + patience did it

i think

[dense cosmos]

I learnt the basic syntax stuff

like loops, if statements, etc

[prime plaza]

tbh I don't even know what syntax refers to yet

[dense cosmos]

just the surface level stuff for the language, like if(){ } creates a branch, ; is required to end a line in c and other languages

etc

[loud thicket]

Want the og tutorial i used to learn Java back in the day?

[rare bramble]

syntax just means how language looks like / what is valid to type in the language,
like python syntax would be

def add_nums(a,b):
    return a + b

but for rust it would be

fn add_nums(a: u32, b: u32) -> u32{
   return a + b;
}

nothing more complicated than that

[loud thicket]

Both my most hated syntaxes

[rare bramble]

Both my most loved syntaxes :D

[dense cosmos]

I don't like python (why dynamic typing ) but rust idk, I've been trying to learn it recently

[noble zodiac]

(define (add_nums a b) (+ a b))

[loud thicket]

I gave rust a shot again recently but their UI libraries were some of the worst ive ever seen

[trim valve]

I mean more strictly speaking the python would be closer if it was ```python
def add_nums(a: int, b: int) -> int:
return a + b

(but even then that's a different int type)

[ruby timber]

What do you usually use?

[loud thicket]

What languages?

[ruby timber]

Language and library

[loud thicket]

C#, C or C++ if i need low level, Typescript or Javascript for anything web or small, and Java if i do anything Minecraft related

[ruby timber]

I see

[loud thicket]

Not counting database languages etc

[ruby timber]

Makes sense yeah

[prime plaza]

so syntax is just vocabulary but for programming

[loud thicket]

I mean it's called a language

[dense cosmos]

grammar

[loud thicket]

Because alot of the ways u do things are different too

Its different ways of speaking the same meaning

[prime plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explode-cat-explode-mike-interpol-gif-13503338605162614186

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile me:
Kotlin and GDScript

[loud thicket]

I played with gdscript a tiny bit and i only use kotlin for gradle scripts

Though ik kotlin is big for mobile apps

[heady mural]

What the best app for coding HTML?

[nocturne olive]

Kotlin is great, runs on JVM and interops fully with Java
Also the default language when using Android studio

[prime plaza]

I'm somehow lost enough that I don't even know what to ask

[nocturne olive]

Your average text editor works

But if you want a full IDE, I use WebStorm for web languages

[dense cosmos]

I used C++ most of the time, C# for unity, python for ML, Cuda C++ also for ML

[heady mural]

Aigh aigh

[loud thicket]

I use python to experiment with ML stuff sometimes or write little scripts but anything big i do elsewhere

C# is my day job though with Unity

[nocturne olive]

Silly thing I wrote fairly recently, an assembler for my Kotlin-based virtual 8-bit CPU

[prime plaza]

tbh I just wanted to learn python because my end goal is to make an AI, like 10 years into the future or something idk

[loud thicket]

Top 10 most abstracted CPUs

[nocturne olive]

Just wanted to mess around

Also I've written a ton of Discord bots in Kotlin

[dense cosmos]

I don't think it'll take like 10 years, there's like highschool peeps who got into it within a year of starting

[cloud relic]

It could be anyone in neurotic neurons then

[nocturne olive]

Not that kind of bots, I'm not talking about userbots

[loud thicket]

Made all mine in JS

[prime plaza]

yeah I'm just being a bit dramatic, idk how long it would take, just that my method of learning clearly needs changing

[nocturne olive]

I hate the pain that is JS
It's very annoying to deal with

Obscure oddities every 5 minutes, type system literally doesn't even exist, it just sucks

[dense cosmos]

just sharp learning curve I guess, just take it slow

[loud thicket]

Yeah hence i mostly use TS now

[dense cosmos]

it'll get easier :3

[prime plaza]

I hope so

I'm hoping at some point I can develop some momentum, it's just a matter of when and how

[nocturne olive]

Most of my bots are useful ones, such as a radio bot and a pixel bot

[dense cosmos]

phantasmal's homework: use a for loop to print something 10 times

[prime plaza]

alright

https://tenor.com/view/botaabucetanareta-gato-thumbsup-cat-thumbs-up-cursed-cat-memes-gif-27055621

[stark needle]

i hate school

[prime plaza]

who doesn't

[dense cosmos]

agreed

[stark needle]

especially english lessons

[dense cosmos]

disagreed

english was fun!

we did skits

[stark needle]

i am doing extremely easy tasks

[dense cosmos]

and read stories

[stark needle]

it's a TTS voice

so theres literally nothing u can mess up

[dense cosmos]

bruh

sounds like a slog

[ruby timber]

Bruh

I saw your screenshot and I was like "i bet that's terrible audio"

I guess it is, just not in the sense I was thinking

[loud thicket]

Hey i gave em a shot

[prime plaza]

my school was weird in that instead of specified subjects we gave ourselves a subject to teach ourselves, for me it was Japanese, if I had found out about Neuro in that time I probably would've started coding then lol

[stark needle]

iv ebeen trying to extract the mp3

to just put it into gemini

[dense cosmos]

i'm almost done with my NEAT implementation

I think

I haven't tested it yet

[scarlet arch]

idk, calling them "worst" while the people put effort into these, trying to basically boostrap UI stuff in Rust, is kinda harsh :(

[stark needle]

i extracted it

[ruby timber]

Well done

[stark needle]

[ruby timber]

Eaaaasy

[loud thicket]

If they make html look like a better alternative then idk what else to say

More complicated isnt always better

Because atp ill write GUI by interfacing with the graphics directly

[rigid snow]

i really like freya, it’s basically flutter but with dioxus

[loud thicket]

I needed cross platform and only had select options

And i didnt want a webapp

[rigid snow]

it is cross platform, dioxus is acting kinda like react in this instance

it’s not gonna be a webapp

[loud thicket]

Is it one though currently?

Like is it compiled into one?

I dont mind webapp like libraries as long as it compiles into a real program

[rigid snow]

and to be clear what i mean by this:

kinda like react…

what i mean is that react by itself has nothing to do with the web (except it being a js library) hence why react-native and react-dom exist, for native apps that just happen to have a js engine bundled in and for web apps respectively

my point being that there’s 0 web stuff

in freya

[loud thicket]

hmm

might give it a look

i like libraries like that (because no runtime garbage)

[rigid snow]

it’s native just uses dioxus core

[loud thicket]

ill give it a look

might be what ive been looking for

idk why it didnt show up on my searches

[tight tinsel]

lmao follow up to this, literally aced the test no problemo, like literally a perfect score

yes i knew reading about useless subjects would be useful some day lmfao

[rigid snow]

1.9k gh stars, readme also says it’s WIP but it works fine for me

[rare bramble]

I think this is a pretty good roundup of the GUI libraries
https://www.boringcactus.com/2025/04/13/2025-survey-of-rust-gui-libraries.html

it doesnt go deep into them, but general overview and what to expect from the syntax and the approach to the application

[loud thicket]

ill check cuz iced was ass

[rare bramble]

iced is fine, it just requires you to approach the application differently

[loud thicket]

yeah no lmao

that can be applied to anything

it should be inuitive with UI this isnt a game engine

[dense cosmos]

the performance cost is coming from thrust::exclusive_scan, literally everything else is my own kernels

[opaque sigil]

Sounds like it's time to figure out if there's a way to avoid having to do an exclusive scan or maybe make it smaller

[dense cosmos]

nah, I'm pretty sure it's because it's doing memory allocations behind the scenes

[prime plaza]

ngl chatgpt sucks at explaining things 😭

[dense cosmos]

I need to figure out how to make it not do that

[trim valve]

tbf these are standard beginner ideas

[prime plaza]

yeah I just can't tell what it means when it says "sum of first N natural numbers" or something as vague as "print a pattern :D"

[trim valve]

😔

sum of first N natural numbers just means like 1+2+3+4+...+N-1+N

the pattern is supposed to be an exersise on using the index in the loop to manipulate a string instead of just outputing a number

[prime plaza]

what

[trim valve]

idk the second explanation is pretty ass but idk how else I'd phrase it

[prime plaza]

is N something special I've never heard of? I thought it was just a random variable like X or Y or something

[trim valve]

yeah its just a variable

so if N=4 then the sum of the first N natural numbers is 1+2+3+4=10

[prime plaza]

oh ok that makes more sense

so natural is just whatever order the next numbers in the "numbers alphabet" or whatever are

[opaque sigil]

https://github.com/NVIDIA/cccl/blob/main/thrust%2Fexamples%2Fcuda%2Fcustom_temporary_allocation.cu

[noble zodiac]

natural number means positive and whole

[scarlet arch]

Often the concept of the borrow checker makes other normally available patterns impossible as they're outside of the set of programs that compile with it. This results in new ideas and concept being needed to satisfy borrow checker constraints. Or unsafe Rust. But either way, that's not unheard of. Some approaches simply do not work.

And in most cases that's a good thing.

I don't know enough about UI development to say anything about it tho

[opaque sigil]

Also I don't think thrust should even be allocating anything in the first place, parallel prefix sum is just some clever additions in-place
Unless there's a way to use some memory for extra performance that I'm unaware of

[loud thicket]

Nothing is stopping a bit of abstraction onto the UI itself though

because besides some callbacks and connections you dont need to really go that low for just the interface (thats what the library is for)

[rigid snow]

ui isn’t intuitive, react won (by won i mean every ui framework nowadays borrows something if not most things from it) because it created an abstraction - components with state - no one else has thought of before, and then hooks/signals happened which is even more different from anything that existed - basically ui is now a whole different world as opposed to regular coding. ever wondered why non webdevs hate react? and why they love svelte? because svelte introduced a compiler that lies to you by making all that reactive state bs look like regular variables

if anything i’d argue immediate mode UI is the most intuitive even though i’m quite fond of the “react way”

[loud thicket]

components for UI just makes sense

and its made more intuitive due to the abstractions

thats why components work so good

[prime plaza]

random error(?) I've never heard of number 17

[opaque sigil]

Did you name your variable sum?

[prime plaza]

no

[rigid snow]

why are you print(sum) ing

[prime plaza]

trying to figure out how to get the sum of a variable

[prime plaza]

I'm trying anything lmao

[rigid snow]

it would just shadow the builtin

[opaque sigil]

yeye

[rigid snow]

and work

[opaque sigil]

I just woke up cut me some slack

[rigid snow]

good morning

[opaque sigil]

I want to go back to sleep

[scarlet arch]

[rigid snow]

print(a+b) if you want a sum of two variables, print(sum(a)) if a is a list and you want a sum of all its elements

someone correct me if i’m wrong i don’t python

[knotty current]

did u forget the brackets

[prime plaza]

maybe that's what I'm missing, my variable isn't a list

[rigid snow]

just + them then

[knotty current]

if u print(sum) then it will literately print the sum method object

[prime plaza]

well it's the sum of an <input> amount of numbers

[knotty current]

u probably printed the method object without the call

i think

[prime plaza]

now I wanna try putting it into a list somehow

[knotty current]

[a, b]?

[prime plaza]

it's possible for the sum to be of more numbers than there are letters in the alphabet

[rare bramble]

huh?

[prime plaza]

maybe this helps

just putting "a + b" doesn't work

[rigid snow]

l = []
l.append(1)
l.append(2)
print(sum(l)) # prints 3

this is how lists work

[prime plaza]

I feel like if I specify more I'm just gonna be cheating and not learn anything

[rigid snow]

i feel like you can infer what you need to do from this if you want to use a list

[prime plaza]

whatever I just gave up and asked chatgpt

I am NOT cut out for coding man holy crap 😭

[knotty current]

what did chatgpt say?

im curious wether i inteperted the question right?

[prime plaza]

I got it all right up until they added "total" to the equation

[knotty current]

[rigid snow]

well, they’re called variables for a reason, their values can change. total += i is just shorthand for total = total + i

“change the value of total to sum of total and i”

[prime plaza]

I just don't get why 'sum' wouldn't work because 'i' wasn't a number, but for some reason in this version, 'i' is treated like a number perfectly fine

[rigid snow]

because sum() gives you a sum of all elements of a list you give it

[knotty current]

i in this case is an integer

[prime plaza]

so does sum() only listen to lists and nothing else?

[rigid snow]

yes

[prime plaza]

that's so weird

[rigid snow]

basically

[knotty current]

i think it does to tuples and sets as well?

[rare bramble]

it's because whenever you take input from user, it is treated as a string, so it would be "1", but when you use the int("1") to the string, it will be converted to a number

[rigid snow]

it can take any iterable yes

let’s not confuse them tho

[knotty current]

yeah

[prime plaza]

I'm already confused beyond belief 😭

like if something this simple can completely stump me then what else do I do

[knotty current]

coding is like this

same for me when i started out

[prime plaza]

just feels like I'm not learning anything when I resort to asking an AI to solve any problem for me

sorry if I sound like a doomer I'm just really demotivated right now

[rare bramble]

ye, that is one major issue with AI

[knotty current]

i think because i dont know ai existed when i started that i was able to start at all

[rare bramble]

you'll get the hang of programming in time, don't worry too much

[unkempt citrus]

https://www.learnpython.org/

[ruby timber]

Take a break

Drink some water

Do something fun

And get back to it

[unkempt citrus]

Great thing about coding, there are online books with interactive examples

So you can run the code in browser and experiment

You can change things and get near instant feedback to see what changes

[prime plaza]

I'd love to, it's just hard to think of what to do and how to go about learning it without this sort of thing happening again

[rigid snow]

when i was 10-ish i started off youtube php tutorials by other 10 year olds that barely explain anything lmao. if ai existed that would just feed me solutions i think i would’ve never accomplished anything

[knotty current]

same here

i think i started around 2 years ago

[unkempt citrus]

If you want to use AI to learn, don't ask it for examples

ask it to give you a lesson

and then have it quiz you

[prime plaza]

I try to do that in reverse, I ask it for a solution then ask it why it works or what it's doing

but sometimes it can't even explain that

[knotty current]

i dunno if i was or something, i did everything offline and without virutal environments

[rare bramble]

nah, I did the same when I started

but that was in like 2017

[knotty current]

i still remeber the whole day spent solving package issues

ouch

[rigid snow]

no that ain’t the same that was like 12 years ago 😭 i’m talking like unregistered hypercam 2 and 009 sound system dreamscape tutorials

[rare bramble]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1093753884738068530/1155564184210247691/listening.gif

dreamscape

[steady heart]

[knotty current]

sorry, socially anxious, but i started when i was 12 at around 2023 i think

[rigid snow]

i mean when i started, 2023 youtube is definitely no 2012 youtube

that shit was almost worthless as a tutorial

[knotty current]

i have no idea what 2012 yt was like

but i think the first tutorial for me was like 2016 ish or something?

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[rare bramble]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1364165934906081360/neuro_brick_rain.gif

go away Tatsu, no one likes you

[rigid snow]

nn leaking

[prime plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-sama-ai-vtuber-evil-skeptical-gif-12723821140536603813

[steady heart]

hi guys have any recommended tutorials for learning web development?

[prime plaza]

run

[rigid snow]

[ruby timber]

I wish man html existed

Cross the bingo square

Though I don't think we have one for web dev

[rigid snow]

pls

[steady heart]

I feel like I'm learning a little bit here and that

[rigid snow]

i mean webdev just sucks lmao

[trim valve]

hm is it worth trying to support weird mono image formats where each pixel is 1 bit

idk if they're even used anywhere ngl

[rare bramble]

I mean seems pretty simple as a format

[trim valve]

ok but it also seems like a pain to provide an api for

like with the image crate there's Image<P, ...>::get_pixel_mut(x: u32, y: u32) -> &mut P, but this would only work if P can have an &mut reference made to it which wouldn't work for a single bit in a byte

[dense cosmos]

for a moment I thought I was because I forgot to CudaDeviceSynchronize meaning my benchmarks were measuring how long it took to fire a kernel, but no, even after doing that exclusive scan still takes a disportionate amount of time

[trim valve]

I guess there's always the option of some cursed trait shenanegans

[dense cosmos]

so yeah, it must be the allocations

[trim valve]

like ```rust
fn get_pixel_mut<P: Pixel>(x: u32, y: u32) -> MutPixelAccessor<P>

I feel like that's an option actually hm

[midnight sigil]

[trim valve]

doesn't some 3d software do that

[midnight sigil]

maybe

I don't think I've seen those around tho

at least among the popular ones

[ruby timber]

You're trying to modify individual bits for that format if I understood correctly?

[trim valve]

yeah

[ruby timber]

You could try bitwise operations then

Shouldn't be too complicated

[trim valve]

well yeah that works fine if I want to hardcode a format

I'm trying to think up an api that works for weird formats like that and more normal formats like packed rgba

[ruby timber]

Oooh multiformat

Okay yeah that sounds tougher

[trim valve]

yeah the more I think about this the more I think it could work (with a lot of type system fuckery)

[rare bramble]

LLM says that the bitmap format is not widely used outside of legacy, documents & embedded systems

[trim valve]

I kinda expected that

its an interesting idea to think about though because its an awkward case for the api

the other kinda issue I'm wondering about is hw-accelerated formats (which you're unlikely to edit so I guess its kinda w/e)

but those are a whole different can of worms

[brisk laurel]

Does anyone wants linux commands

I have them

[fallen patio]

Hello there,
Although i'm new, i saw a programming channel and i figured i could get some pointers : long story short, my boss wants me to coach him on algorithm programation (python) ; small issue however, while i understand ( somewhat ) what im doing on my console, *explaining * is a whole new level of pain... If you had to explain something extremely nerdy to a board of directors with 0 code knowledge, how would you do ? Chatgpt gave me nonsense answers, claude was too pedantic and i dont have any coworkers on that project so...

( i blame the marketing team and their "machine learning" buzzwords)

[rigid snow]

true, documents - my photocopying machine saved scans as b&w bmp by default i had to change it to pdf manually

[uneven coral]

i have mad respects for programmers.

[trim valve]

I think overall I just need to rely on traits more in the api

more zero cost abstractions

[olive sable]

I have used gimp for the first time

[dense cosmos]

let's go I used Cub's exclusive scan which directly allowed me to pass in the temporary storage it needs to do it's thing

and I went from 50ms for the exclusive scan

to 8

FireSynapses can be optimized

rn it's using atomicAdd(), which forces serialization

which is obviously bad for parallel stuff

the alternative requires even more memory usage though...

[opaque sigil]

how are you adding atomically though

[dense cosmos]

where I map each synapse to an assorted index such that the output of the synapses is sorted by destination

well, here's the kernel

__global__ void FireSynapses(
    const size_t* synapse_boundaries,
    size_t* active_sources,
    float* membrane_potentials,
    const size_t * destinations,
    const float* weights) {

    int source_index = active_sources[blockIdx.x];
    unsigned int start = synapse_boundaries[source_index];
    unsigned int end = synapse_boundaries[source_index + 1];

    for (int i = threadIdx.x + start; i < end; i += blockDim.x) {
        atomicAdd(membrane_potentials + destinations[i], weights[i]);
    }
}```

[dense cosmos]

and afterwards, I can do a simple reduction sum on the outputs

[opaque sigil]

that's a lot of global memory accesses

have you profiled it to see what's actually the problem?

[dense cosmos]

not really, I have a rudimentary timer

which is what's printing to the console

[trim valve]

I mean

as long as I can make something rust is happy with without diving into unsafe its kinda whatever

[opaque sigil]

atomicAdd isn't inherently bad necessarily, you can first do a warp wide counter and then a block wide and then have one thread from the block add to the global

[trim valve]

I can loosely see a way to make this work

generally speaking you'd probably only be using a small handful of image formats

though I get why it could be an issue

[dense cosmos]

warp wide? I don't have any primitives that map directly to warps though

[trim valve]

[opaque sigil]

idk when in doubt throw shared memory at it ig

[dense cosmos]

XD

I wonder how I'd do that...

ah well, dinner time

:D hey the temporary memory that the scan needs isn't even that big!

[hoary lion]

gm chat

[midnight sigil]

point light and shadows

[scarlet arch]

[raw trout]

Morning!

[fierce juniper]

im trying to learn to use game maker

[nocturne olive]

Sounds like a pain
It seemed way worse than Godot

[opaque sigil]

@dense cosmos you made me jump into the cccl codebase to see what thrust's exclusive scan allocates but i forgot it's actually impossible to find anything in there

[olive sable]

i was expecting some type of bling-phong shadowmapping setup

nah you're just raytracing

btw, how does your cube have 859K vertices?????

[opaque sigil]

ah wait i'm dumb, it's just allocating temp storage for the shared memory buffer

[patent walrus]

what if microsoft teams had spotify integration

so my coworkers could see what im listening to

[trim valve]

what if spotify and teams merged into the same app

[noble zodiac]

it plays the teams message notification every time a new song is released

[noble zodiac]

Err("Some(Func(0x5b9095f5a850)) is not a function")

[opaque sigil]

[scarlet arch]

while investigating a bug I found another bug. upon contacting other developers and trying it on even earlier versions we noticed that it's also a thing in our upcoming release. even worse: it's invisible to the user, UI just hangs, and it's basically a SQL unique constraint error...

why. 3 days before my vacation. whyyyy

I added a collapsable part to the issue haha

[dense cosmos]

eepy time chat

Wait! I figured out how to improve my synapse fire kernel! I map each synapse to a float buffer, which is divided into contiguous blocks per destination neuron. I run a reduction sum algorithm over this buffer, and with another (smaller) mapping from this buffer to destination, I'll have the algorithm working without any issues! I could even used shared memory somewhere I think

It's only going to cost extra 4 bytes per synapse (for float buffer), and 8 bytes per neuron for second mapping

[rare bramble]

Yep, it's cooked

[olive sable]

i have no clue what im looking at, but it doesnt look good

ps3?

[rare bramble]

that's sparking inside of my ultrawide monitor

[olive sable]

oh

[rare bramble]

it decided that it was a good time to die last thursday

[olive sable]

ye the power circuit will have to be replaced

[hoary lion]

me waiting for google io

[dense cosmos]

wanna hear a horror story? Our cat pissed into my brother's (at the time) new pc build

It was destroyed

[rare bramble]

The sparking is near the panel, there is probably a sort somewhere and I have no idea where. All the components looked good and I might buy a replacement board for like 200e and it probably wouldnt fix it. and if it's the panel, then I cant replace that alone and the repair costs more than a better new screen

also the panel is slightly damaged from me carelessly knocking on it couple of years ago, so even if i get it fixed, i would still have a slightly damaged screen

[sharp mantle]

they highlighted that gemini 2.5 pro beat pokemon blue

[noble zodiac]

ok..... I'm sure the billions in investments were worth taht milestone

[desert wave]

my boss is gonna be in for a surprise next time he asks me to implement an API

[rough bloom]

they're making a Gemini diffusion model
(not for art, an LLM like LLaDA or the one by Inception Labs a while back)

[rigid snow]

what are the benefits?

[rough bloom]

goes way faster than traditional autoregressive LLMs since it predicts multiple tokens at once

also has some theoretical advantages since it can choose which tokens to predict first, but so far there is no SOTA model using diffusion, so it's hard to tell if that's real

[rare bridge]

can my machine not lose access to the internet

for 5 minutes

well rn it's outright dead

[safe path]

rip bingo

[rough bloom]

[rare bridge]

i'mma go kill the power and forcefully restart

[trim valve]

fast

[opaque sigil]

something actually new and interesting for once

[rough bloom]

yeah, and they spent a whole 30 seconds of their 1h+ keynote on it

[trim valve]

also god bless chatgpt generated ffmpeg commands

you may not do what I want you to do but you sure do something

[opaque sigil]

i'd imagine they probably have a working version already, there's no way they'd announce it and then it just doesn't work or spews out garbage

though ig it doesn't have to be SOTA to be useful

[rough bloom]

they said it's in a tiny closed beta or something

[stark needle]

Cant wait for the mysterious gemini ultra

Subscription thing

[trim valve]

ok can someone who is either an ffmpeg wizard or just has a better llm than me attempt this?
I'm trying to take a 60fps video and turn it into a 120fps video where each frame is held for 2x as long, then the right half (split down the middle vertically) is offset by 1/120th of a second

[rough bloom]

benchmarks
(it sucks)

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

cc all the people who want to find weird projects that llms struggle with

[stark needle]

Tbf

It's for latency

[rough bloom]

yeah, it's still cool
probably the best language diffusion model when it's out

[trim valve]

basically just this, where the number represents which frame is shown

(very weird challenge but I swear there's a reason )

surely this was not broken by accidentally using a 30fps source video

[trim valve]

actually there's a fair chance it is goddamit

[stark needle]

No

[noble zodiac]

trash

[cosmic sphinx]

tldr this year's google i/o is a disappointment and a nothingburger..

[noble zodiac]

to the suprise of absolutely nobody

[rough bloom]

yeah, nothing super interesting so far
Gemini Diffusion was nice but was barely mentioned, the Google search AI mode might be good and they yapped about it for ages, but it's US-only for now

[mortal anchor]

Can't you use ffmpeg's vf_crop for this?

[trim valve]

I don't really know much ffmpeg

cgpt was suggesting -filter_complex "[0:v]crop=in_w/2:in_h:0:0,fps=60,setpts=PTS-STARTPTS[left];[0:v]crop=in_w/2:in_h:in_w/2:0,fps=120,setpts=PTS-STARTPTS+0.008333[right];[left][right]hstack=inputs=2"

[mortal anchor]

I'm not sure if it's possible in cli

[stark needle]

@sage crag you don't even need to understand german to understand the stupid shit that "preparation for math" is

[nocturne olive]

Can the container you're encoding to even do 120 FPS?

[trim valve]

it shows ass 120fps in mpv

[nocturne olive]

Then it probably can

[stark needle]

what is a + b i need to know

I'm kinda dumb so sorry

[nocturne olive]

I guess just layer two copies of the video on top of each other, crop them into halves and offset by half a frame, encoding at 120Hz

[stark needle]

True

[rough bloom]

thought for 30 seconds
it's 23

[trim valve]

yes unfortunately it is not as easy as "just" doing that, I need to express that in a way that ffmpeg understands

[nocturne olive]

Crop goes something like so

[trim valve]

and whilst I might have a good understanding of the ffmpeg library I do not get the cli at all

[cosmic sphinx]

gemini in AI studio can access website content now

also new Flash iteration

[olive sable]

Answer is 0 apparently

[nocturne olive]

Something like this can offset things, though not sure if putting in a decimal value will set milliseconds

[mortal anchor]

You can try coding it then. For me personally it feels more straightforward

[nocturne olive]

I guess something like ffmpeg -i video.mp4 -itsoffset 0.0083 -vf "crop=960:1080:0:0" -i video.mp4 -vf "crop=960:1080:960:0" -b:v 12m -r 120 output.mp4
That's my best guess, but I'm not an ffmpeg expert so that might not directly work, you may have to find a way to offset by a millisecond value instead

[cosmic sphinx]

theres NO fucking way

they used bling bang bang born

[rough bloom]

the Mashle OP
I was so confused

[cosmic sphinx]

for the ending

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

[sharp mantle]

No gemini 3.0, guess they'll drop it on a random thursday, as allured at the beginning

[stark needle]

What

[rough bloom]

YouTube Premium /j

[opaque sigil]

i'll buy it just for the yt premium

[rigid snow]

i guess 30tb is cool

[cosmic sphinx]

nvm, doesnt work right now for me

[stark needle]

Who tf needs 30tb

Realistically

Are u hosting ur company data on google drive or what

[rigid snow]

so basically unlimited, even better

[opaque sigil]

i miss the unlimited data

[rough bloom]

gonna need it for the 8K 120fps videos you generate with Veo 3

[stark needle]

People were abusing the shit out of it tho

[opaque sigil]

yeah

[stark needle]

r/datahoarders

[ebon basin]

it is not very complicated there is no real unknown in there

[ebon basin]

under 2 it is 5 = 2+3

[rigid snow]

we back to 6th grade wit this one 🔥

[ebon basin]

I think also it is 5-6 grade it is preparation for using formular by bringing in variables

[rigid snow]

lol no it;s obvously 5.000000149011612

[rare bramble]

wouldnt it be a = 2 and b = 3, from the starting columns

[ebon basin]

number base error?=

[rigid snow]

why are you being baited so hard do you think there are 12 year olds in this channel that aren't asking how to create neuro (they have no friends)

what is NaN*Infinity i need to know

[ebon basin]

I'm to smart for such jokes

[covert garnet]

Hello (sorry for interfering)

[rigid snow]

you're not interfering with anything of value, hi

[covert garnet]

Hi, I'm learning sql

[rigid snow]

not html or python

[ebon basin]

https://youtu.be/b17q_fpa90o?si=5HZyIAwTe1_3tg68&t=154

[covert garnet]

also not css

[covert garnet]

I'm also learning java so sorry

[rigid snow]

sounds like you're gonna get hired at least

[covert garnet]

I'm still studying so it will take a while

[rigid snow]

i know. floats are boring you can just calculate the answer immediately

also NaNs are contagious every expression they touch becomes NaN

[sour lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-maths-spongebobmaths-gif-19232863

Evening chat

[rigid snow]

floating point arithmetic is NOT invited to the maths club

they can have their own if they like

[ebon basin]

NaN!=NaN

[sage crag]

that is the principle used in the undefined guard

[stark needle]

Ik lmao

[sour lotus]

Shudder
Maths
I'll stick to my lane, always impressed with Math knowerers
Cheers to you 🍻

[opaque sigil]

now test against pypy

i'm actually curious, don't make me write this myself

i wonder why loops are banned in cpython

[amber fractal]

I got no idea

[opaque sigil]

now all that's left is a perfectly valid constexpr version

nuh uh, python is python

20ms huh

guess you still need to start and run the vm

oh

right

yeah fair

is this python 3.11 pypy

oh

tbf pypy3 is implemented via python 2 so i guess it probably doesn't matter too much

damn

scammed

this is why i love pypy, i don't have to change any of the code

[ebon basin]

Why do you not save it in a file ?

fibonacci numbers are the same you never need to recompute them

[opaque sigil]

those 8 bytes are precious

they use chunks of 64 bit numbers or sth

or was that v8

idk

one of them did and the other did a list of digits

[stark needle]

hi

Hi konii

How are u

[opaque sigil]

okay it's a linked list of uint32_t/uint16_t's

they apparently have some extra cases for numbers that fit into 2 digits

[stark needle]

👩‍🚒 🖲️ 💱 🛖

[opaque sigil]

optimisations work??

i always find it funny when i go through these stdlibs and they have special cases for multiple numbers with hundreds or thousands of digits

as if anyone is going to use a scripting language for that 😭

[trim valve]

so uh

[opaque sigil]

python only has one cutoff for karatsuba but v8 has like 5 different ones

all the way up to the fft algorithm

[trim valve]

the way I've previously had two discord clients on mobile has stopped working

and now I need to find a new way

what are my options

(android btw)

[opaque sigil]

if i see you write the implementation in pure python ima bonk you

you could try fiddling with the package name

but that breaks stuff sometimes

or keep the official app and a patched one around

[trim valve]

(also not rooted)

I may have solved it

there is a fork of my fork

[amber fractal]

I heard of someone in here in the last two weeks only using python

[stark needle]

If u can run basic linear layers, u can run a llm

[olive sable]

new goals

[opaque sigil]

[stark needle]

the 2 hardest parts

[olive sable]

what in the?

thats the type of math idd have to look at for 3 weeks to understand

[opaque sigil]

it looks way more intimidating than it is tbf

[olive sable]

thats the case with these most of the times ye

the sideways M is just a bunch of addition in desguise

[opaque sigil]

matmul go brrr

[olive sable]

my shaders dont like this image
4 fps

[opaque sigil]

i don't like that image either

am i a shader

[stark needle]

https://github.com/karpathy/llm.c/blob/master/doc/layernorm/layernorm.md

[olive sable]

do you occasionally shade stuff?

[stark needle]

Layernorm

[opaque sigil]

i suppose

[olive sable]

opencv makes the load times in web 2 min long, and PIL doesnt do 16 bit.
so i changed my 16 bit 1channel image to 8 bit 2 channel.

there is no diffrence between the 2 in terms of actual data, PIL is just a bitch

[amber fractal]

I love redoing code that was so jank I don't know how I managed to figure it out

[trim valve]

is this yet another abuse of colour channels to increase the range of values representable

[olive sable]

kinda

[trim valve]

I did something similar when I was trying to do cursed stuff for vrchat with shadow

(sorry shadow I got hyperfocused on a different thing and forgot about it)

[olive sable]

instead of
r 0000000000000000
i have now
r 00000000 g 00000000

well, except that the imag is using green and blue due to opencv shenanigans

i have no clue what im looking at

i know what that means

[amber fractal]

Binary can either be represented left to right or right to left, I think big endian is right to left

[olive sable]

but why do that?

cant we just use the same?

[amber fractal]

I do not want to be the person coding hardware with both types of chips

Cursed formatting

[olive sable]

in python, the with makes sure to close the file after the operations are done ye?
so what if i do:

with Image.open(filepath) as self.pixels:
  self.img = ctx.image(self.pixels.size, 'rgba8unorm',  np.array(self.pixels))

???

it goes to a class variable, so it doesnt get closed no?

[amber fractal]

It is copied I'm 90% sure

[opaque sigil]

^

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

open file -> read file -> copy to np array -> close file

[olive sable]

nice

this should keep ram usagew down

i never closed the files before

[amber fractal]

[opaque sigil]

it's only a handle it's not like it takes up any space

[olive sable]

the game-jam code is an ungodly mess to anyone who knows more than basic python.
even know i sometimes look back at it and go "hahahahaaa, what the fuck is this?'

[opaque sigil]

oh i didn't even notice that

yeah maybe don't do that then lmao

[olive sable]

self.img could be a return instead, but idd have to change a bunch of shit ngl

well, not that much actually

i do need acces to the self.pixels value for the heightmap to sample on cpu side, so idd have to return that too

is that better?

[opaque sigil]

could you store the pixels and then when you need the image build it?

idk how often you need it

if not then open the image normally without the with and just assign that to self.pixels

[olive sable]

so the self.img is only used on init as all the shaders are built then
self.pixels is used every time the player moves

[trim valve]

why is it suddenly so hard to find a good 60fps video to test with

[opaque sigil]

okay yeah just build it that one time then

[olive sable]

cuz 24fps standard for movies and nobody bothered to change it too much

[trim valve]

I didn't realise quite how much 30fps there was though

[olive sable]

i think almost everything on netflix is 24fps

[trim valve]

tbh I'm trying to find a video like https://youtu.be/3jWOyIcKz98 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kybi1q3rjdk which is like worst case for what I'm testing

but those are both 30fps so aren't applicable

[nocturne olive]

Did you get a functional ffmpeg commands?

[trim valve]

its pretty cursed but yes

[nocturne olive]

What does it look like?

I'm curious how bad it is

[trim valve]

ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -filter_complex "[0:v]fps=120,split=2[main][shifted];[shifted]trim=start_frame=1,setpts=PTS-STARTPTS[right_half];[main]crop=iw/2:ih:0:0[left_half];[right_half]crop=iw/2:ih:iw/2:0[right_half_crop];[left_half][right_half_crop]hstack" -r 120 -c:v libx264 -crf 15 -preset veryslow output.mp4

[olive sable]

i guess you could just go through a bunch o videos and see the yt settings.
they say if its 60

[trim valve]

looks worse because one line in the filter but still

[trim valve]

yeah I just keep finding 30 lol

[nocturne olive]

That's actually crazy
Looks a lot more complex than whatever I constructed

[amber fractal]

This is just funny to me

[trim valve]

aha a live recording of a porter concert

unfortunately this isn't particularly worst case for what I'm testing

an evil karaoke might've worked but meh I found a video

[amber fractal]

Nether of these should be generators but it is interesting a string of generator is the name

[trim valve]

uh

its a bit stupid but I'm trying to figure out just how bad it would look if I tried to play video across two different monitors without a reference timing

true but that's osu

I want to try it with real video

[sharp mantle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx4Tpsk_fnM puzzle spoiler from the vid || (in case anyone has too much time on their hands there's a binary code at 06:01 to decode) First two lines should make 'The computer ||

[trim valve]

ffmpeg what hath thou done to my cpu

[libx264 @ 000001d9b951dfc0] using cpu capabilities: MMX2 SSE2Fast SSSE3 SSE4.2 AVX FMA3 BMI2 AVX2 AVX512

[olive sable]

9950x

[opaque sigil]

ffmpeg is the only program i've come across that can push my cpu past 80 degrees

[trim valve]

anything makes this bad girl overheat its incredible

I have no idea how the cooler even remotely manages

[mortal anchor]

i guess you can tweak cpu usage with "nice" command

[opaque sigil]

tbf the newer zen cpus are meant to run hotter in general aren't they

[trim valve]

I was more shocked at the seemingly low utilization and clocks

[opaque sigil]

ah true

[trim valve]

but if its doing avx512 then its pretty justified

[opaque sigil]

i guess avx512 will do that yeah

[olive sable]

this should be the end of the going schizo commit history saga

[amber fractal]

Saved, I don't have to rewrite the entire program

[amber fractal]

(This does not count for the FAQ bingo slot)
The FAQ code seems manageable again, it is finally able to handle its new reality. Now I just need to use some templates to slot everything in the final image.

[olive sable]

(is FAQ in this context frequently asked questions? cuz it doesnt sound like it is)

[trim valve]

190w my beloved

(this cooler is absolutely underspecd for this)

[olive sable]

i didnt know the 9950x coudl even pull that much

[trim valve]

its a 170w tdp or something

[olive sable]

yep

[amber fractal]

I reccomend not a single person check how this was implmented before, but now it is a bit more sane

[olive sable]

i know you have a 1660 so i expected this ngl, but why go overboard on the cpu and not get a good cooler for it?

[trim valve]

I don't have space

[olive sable]

housing market, bred's room isnt big enough for a nh-d15

[amber fractal]

For anyone who is wondering anyways https://github.com/igglyn/NeuroProgrammingFAQ/blob/2537f1349b5e9e1748d1b57fa5e9d44d9afb1952/scripts/md_to_html.py#L5

[trim valve]

its more portability tbh, I use a fractal terra case

so my gpu, motherboard and cpu are all competing for width

[olive sable]

ah

it looks cool, but the fractal terra is a terrible case for high power stuff imo

[trim valve]

I mean I don't really care

the cpu is fast enough for what I use it for

[olive sable]

fair

[trim valve]

its not like it living at 95c under load is a huge issue

[olive sable]

true

[trim valve]

though

I basically hear the fans spin up if a single core starts actually doing work

[olive sable]

its not happy

[trim valve]

I plead the ffmpeg

[olive sable]

cant relate, i never go above 40c

atho 5950x only does 105W

maybe i should overclock, altho i only have 750W psu

[amber fractal]

I defently can't go over 40c laptop and all

[trim valve]

I mildly remember hearing about undervolting for performance reasons

kinda tempted by it

[olive sable]

that was due to the temp being lower makign it boost more

[amber fractal]

less volts is less heat from what I remeber

[rigid snow]

gpt cot agi rag mcp. openai hire me

[olive sable]

it should work in your case

just gotta find the sweetspot

[trim valve]

anyways my conclusion from the weird video experiments is that in the worst case it looks horrific

but for normalish video you'd probably not notice unless you were looking for it

(or more accurately if you're not a massive nerd)

[olive sable]

i mean, thats the case with most high end stuff

99% of people dont see the diffrence between 200hz and 240hz, same thing with performance and other such things

[trim valve]

holly hell though I do not like the effect of 120fps strobes at max brightness

[wide flicker]

New programmer here, what does that mean?

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

yeah but you're more likely to notice juddery effects

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/rave-party-concert-having-fun-celebrate-gif-16024283

bred pc rn

[trim valve]

one moment lemme upload a clip

[rigid snow]

literally nothing. just a bunch of acronyms

[trim valve]

(you need at least a 120Hz monitor for it to be accurate to what I'm trying to simulate)

[olive sable]

i got 165, i should be good

[wide flicker]

Oh I misread cot as got and thought it was a statement LMAO

[trim valve]

https://litter.catbox.moe/c2v6tj.mp4

[amber fractal]

Let me force my phone to 120hz then

[olive sable]

horizontal screentearing

[trim valve]

yeah basically

[olive sable]

interesting

[trim valve]

the idea is supposed to be two tvs next to each other both having the same video played but "maximally" desynced

[olive sable]

ah, kinda like 3D movies?

[trim valve]

theoretically you could desync >0.5 frames but arguably that should be possible to correct for

[trim valve]

no they're not supposed to be desynced

just simulating a worst case

[olive sable]

arent they interlaced?

oh well

[trim valve]

nonono literally just imagine two tvs next to each other acting as one large tv

this is what screen tearing would kinda look like

like that nvidia feature but scuffed

[olive sable]

where did you get that video from lol?

[trim valve]

youtube

I just found a random porter concert recording

[amber fractal]

I've forgotten how high refresh rate feels

[olive sable]

the file has contributing artist and everything

i hope thats not your name there

[trim valve]

nop

idk blame cobalt.tools for being fancy

[amber fractal]

But yeah it is interesting how the tearing happens

[trim valve]

the only real ways to deal with the screen tearing is also expensive but oh well

[olive sable]

120fps video is something i havent seen much before tbh

[trim valve]

a lot of stuff struggles with it

[olive sable]

it works pretty well for me

jsut getting it to 120fps was hard then?

[trim valve]

idk I just find a lot of stuff really doesn't like playing high framerate stuff

though that could just be bad experiences with discord and higher bitrates

[rigid snow]

behold

[amber fractal]

iPhone spotted

[trim valve]

(surely buying 1 blackmagic updowncross per display is a good investment )

[olive sable]

i mean ye my phone can do high fps too, but nobody really uses it

[rigid snow]

i'm exposed as cringe

[olive sable]

i have no clue what that is

[trim valve]

its a signal converter thing-ey

but it has a port for a reference signal so you can sync them all up

so every frame changes at the same time

(thus no tearing / tearing is fully correctable)

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

it does a lot more than that but its the first thing I thought of that could work

[olive sable]

like how you have to sync your av thingy for surround sound with the tv?
but automatically

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

ive done that a bunch before

syncing the audio with the video

the github pages embed thing is working now
https://samvanmaele.github.io/game-engine/

kinda wanne test phone performance now

[trim valve]

is my very cursed idea

I don't like it

but it is one option to sync the displays

[olive sable]

idk what im lookign at, but its long

[trim valve]

tl;dr "budget" video wall made of 21 displays

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

theoretically you could do most of this without the updowncrosses and the reference clock, you'd just probably have tearing like I simulated above

(all this because I want to watch shitty anime on a videowall because it sounds like a funny idea)

[olive sable]

my a52 reports it as 30-40fps, feels more like 10

[trim valve]

idk how to check my framerate on the web

but it runs ok

[olive sable]

and shadowmapping + terrain doesnt appear on screen, so im wasting 80% of the rendertime on things that dont work

[trim valve]

did fall through the floor though

[olive sable]

the page title should say it

[trim valve]

o

I have too many tabs open

[olive sable]

should be vsync on chrome, or 60 on certain other browsers like firefox

if its reaching that high at least

[olive sable]

another bug

[olive sable]

For example my phone doesnt get that much

[trim valve]

smh why can't the gpu I want just drop

its been stuck in preorders only for like a month now

[olive sable]

what you trying to get?

9070?

[trim valve]

powercolour 9070xt reaper

[olive sable]

ye rip

[trim valve]

oh apparently novatech have 5 in stock

w/e

I'll wait until other places actually stock it

[dry charm]

damn it takes a while to load

[olive sable]

so i guess new todo list items:
fix firefox falling through floor
add a platform check to disable shadow mapping on phone

terrain is kinda important so i dont think ill disable it on phone, and ill jsut need to figure out why it wont render

[olive sable]

ye...
it downloads all the libs from github

[trim valve]

also need to make sure the backplate isn't an issue