programming

[dense cosmos]

but mine can go choke on a bag of dicks

oh, I never noticed that before

a green cross where-ever there's a todo

neat

[stark needle]

Yeah by that logic

Shouldn't even do math anymore

Cause u can ask chatgpt

[dense cosmos]

what, I'm saying it's your choice whether you want to learn or use chatgpt

[stark needle]

Yep

It's not compulsory education here so

If u don't wanna study no one stops you

[ruby timber]

ew

[stark needle]

our math teacher was kinda based

He would just put us n options on what to do and let us do whatever we wanted

Cause he said he's not gonna try to force anyone into lessons if they don't want to

[fathom pendant]

I lied

I don’t

[stark needle]

And if u didn't do the assignments you would be fricked on the exam day

[dense cosmos]

would you rather be forced into studying or just do it of your own voilition?

[stark needle]

Younger kids have worse problems These days tho, I've heard from my sister the craziest stuff happens at her middle school

[olive sable]

I am here

[dense cosmos]

I think partly it's a matter of practicality, in that it's not easy to enforce the non-usage of chatgpt

[dense cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/my-hero-academia-im-here-gif-11261063

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

I study cause i wanna keep going forward with education lol

Cheating will only bring u so far

[dense cosmos]

yeah

[olive sable]

I study cuz i cant afford to spend another year in hs. Im so fucking sick of it

[stark needle]

U can max pass the grade but then next year ur fricked cause everything builds on top of what u learnt

[stark needle]

What's the most annoying part

[olive sable]

To me its that you always have work to do

[dense cosmos]

I'm graduating college soon and I'm the happiest I've been in the last four years :D

freedom!

(at least until I get a job)

[olive sable]

Money

[dense cosmos]

Money

[stark needle]

money

Cant wait to start flipping burgers on Saturday next year

Just noticed this is my third last salary

Before im finished

Next year will be crazy tho

Ausw

Cause

28-35 bucks salary per hour

Minimum

[dense cosmos]

(that's a good thing right?)

[stark needle]

Ye

[dense cosmos]

[stark needle]

BETTER THAN MY 7.7 BUCKS PER HOUR

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

Now i need to find something i qualify for

Cause these student jobs really expect an apprenticeship diploma

As if the jobs were that hard

[trim valve]

The first take off is the most dangerous time for any multirotor. Care must be taken to ensure the aircraft is not destroyed in the first seconds of flight and nobody is injured.

(I hate inital tuning)

[stark needle]

Lmao looking over chickens is something i would qualify for

[fathom pendant]

What burgers are you flipping for 28-35 dollars an hour? And can I try one?

[stark needle]

Zurich minimum wage is 24 bucks

Cause the city is so expensive

[fathom pendant]

“Waiter, one Zurich please”

[stark needle]

Some jobs are friday afternoon and full saturday

That is one way to get burnt out

Anything to have more work experience on my cv🙏 😭

[fathom pendant]

Wait so like 12 hours

That’s it?

[stark needle]

What the fuck is a "24 hour job"

[trim valve]

ok new questionable design choice by me: I've taped the antennas to the carbon fibre frame, surely that's great for signal integrity

[stark needle]

Ye

They are meant

For students

Most of em don't even need interview

Just need to check ur alive

[olive sable]

I think cf is better than steel?

[trim valve]

still not good lol

tbh there's already too many anetannas on this thing

do we really need 7

[olive sable]

Cant yiu just use 2?

[trim valve]

unfortunately this one has a bunch of tat on it

2x antennas from the frsky receiver
2x antennas from the rfd868ux telemetry radio
1x gps patch antenna
1x adbs antenna
(I think?) 1x fpv video atenna

only the first 3 systems are being used though lole

[fathom pendant]

Can we switch

[stark needle]

I'm not qualified for cashier here lol

They want a diploma

[scarlet arch]

Profineeeeet

[dusky jackal]

One which you work while sleeping I guess. Sounds nice. I’d love to work while I’m sleeping! I’ll just spend my free time whenever I’m awake!

[trim valve]

god I am so scared of this guide

my first attempt literally flipped the drone on the spot

adittedly it was partially my fault for not having a motor estop but still

I also love how this software is designed to work for anything from a racing drone to a massive multirotor coptor

like hm yes surely I want to assign one of my rc controls to flip the aircraft, I'm sure that would have absolutely zero adverse affects

[trim valve]

ok who the hell thought that engaging that estop of the motors doesn't *instantly* disarm the craft

if I flip that switch I feel like it should not be able to instead flick off again and make the motors spin at whatever throttle you had set

that sounds like a really easy way to hurt someone

[ebon basin]

Intel new card specs are out if they hold true they cooked NVIDIA

you can link them(4-8) like back in the days again and the big one has 48VRam and 2 GPU on board

With 192 GB VRAM you can train big models then but I'm not sure how you orgnize the power supply then 300W *4 = 1200W + everything else

[woven temple]

What about pricing?

[ebon basin]

Not know yet but I guess around 700 to 1k per card

the other models had those prices UVP (vor Steuern) ? 249 USD 299 USD 219 USD but they are only half of the card which is coming now

if you think about that NVIDAS new workstation card which comes out with 48GB Vram will cost around 10k and can't properly be linked . Intel will be cheaper by a lot

[nocturne olive]

But, Intel won't have CUDA, so anyone that wants to do AI has to get Nvidia

[trim valve]

I mean

you can use stuff other than cuda

[ebon basin]

Well this is the question I also have Intel has it big OneAPI but they are currently CPU only which is by the way used by libtorch and pytorch but they say they need time to finish it

[nocturne olive]

It's just an unfortunate fact that Nvidia kinda has a monopoly position on the AI market

[nocturne olive]

Just 99% of software only GPU accelerates with CUDA

The compute kind of acceleration, not the graphics kind

[ebon basin]

if you use frameworks this isn't true but also the source of so many bugs in it

[nocturne olive]

Many just don't want to spend time implementing more than one API, and CUDA is the one used by all the AI stuff already, so everyone just uses CUDA

CUDA is also just C++ with extra stuff so that makes it easier to adopt for C++ devs

[ebon basin]

libtorch is also C++ but you can use RoC , Intels NN stuff and all the CUDA stuff in itso hm

The problem is only when you direct using cuda = people who come later always get the better tech

[nocturne olive]

Either way, it's pretty clear that CUDA has a monopoly-like status in the AI space
Thus Nvidia can just make their enterprise GPUs are expensive as they want and companies will still buy them

Even though AMD offers like twice as much for half the price

[ebon basin]

I don't think they can hold on it for enternity . There are coming photonic NPUs(interference only) which are also not CUDA based but they are 1500x more efficient what NVIDA does. In 1 to 2 years they are shipped in mass.

[stark needle]

So why is google fricked by authorities but not nvidia

Why is nvidia not monopoly

When it clearly is

[opaque sigil]

Because google actually acts like a monopoly

[stark needle]

Nvidia has almsot 90% market share and work with a ton of products to mainly support cuda

[opaque sigil]

having the majority of market share doesn't automatically make you a monopoly

[rough bloom]

NVIDIA is effectively a monopoly because their products are just that good
Google is a monopoly because they bundle lots of products together to avoid having to compete

[noble zodiac]

google is a monopoly because it controls multiple technologies that ensures their dominant position as well as spending shit tons of money to make itself the default on other vendors

[tight tinsel]

hm

[noble zodiac]

To make it similar to the google monopoly case nvidia would also own tsmc and the major game engine

[opaque sigil]

I guess they did try to buy arm

[rigid snow]

that still wouldn't have made them a monopoly i think

way closer to one tho

[dense cosmos]

first time I'm hearing about these infinity files lol

[rigid snow]

i've never heard them be called "infinity files"

[noble zodiac]

yea you usually call them special files

[opaque sigil]

does anyone even implement #embed yet

oh nice, looks like gcc 15 & clang 19 do

[south quail]

Ayoo, any Rust Programmers here?

[noble zodiac]

plenty, yes

[opaque sigil]

like half the active people here

[dense cosmos]

I'm studying rust as we speak

[south quail]

Wow, finally seeing someone. My college has no Rustacians, fucking peak loneliness

[dense cosmos]

mine had like only 10% of the people actually programming, the rest just coasted

[south quail]

Same bro, post ChatGPT, everyone became a coasting coder, claiming to be pros

Before ChatGPT, one monitor was always either documentation or stackoverflow or some shady websites

[dense cosmos]

it's still useful to look at the documentation, chatgpt can spit out bullshit sometimes

[south quail]

For small codes it's perfect, but for large backend structures, it vomits out random codes...(Cough cough)

[trim valve]

🦀

[olive sable]

I have presentations thursday

Anyways, it seems like for every graphical improvement i do, i get more and more obscure bugs

[gritty dust]

Honestly kinda real, you make it better but get more bugs

[raw trout]

Morning!

[prime ridge]

Oh god 😂

[sour lotus]

Hello chat

[midnight sigil]

I got the depth buffer working

I changed my approach tho

not that important

[sour lotus]

As long as it works in the end lol, doesnt matte rhow you do it

🤣

[midnight sigil]

[trim valve]

[dense cosmos]

Inserts data into executable

[midnight sigil]

the approach I'm using right now allows the existence of bvh and other optimization trees, but those are for the later stages

[dense cosmos]

Wait a second

Wdym u got depth pass in blender

Doesn't it already have it

It's blender

[midnight sigil]

what I'm doing is recreating a raytracer in geometry nodes here

[dense cosmos]

The more I see the more beffudled I am

[dense cosmos]

H-how?

[midnight sigil]

you trace the rays

I have done raytracing in shader nodes, compositer and now for the geometry nodes

[dense cosmos]

That is... impressive

[midnight sigil]

there is

wait let me find it

[midnight sigil]

https://blenderartists.org/t/native-code-node-write-geometry-nodes-using-a-native-programming-language-such-as-c-or-c/

but very limited and I bsod my pc while trying to do something

[trim valve]

that sounds non ideal

[lilac thorn]

Hi gays

[midnight sigil]

but I mean, good concept tho, since official contributers doesn't have plans(yet, at least not on the milestones) to make alternative scripting languages for nodes(like VEX in houdini)

hot swapping C codes would be so useful

[trim valve]

yeah that's fair

though keeping it in geonodes probably has a nice portability advantage

[midnight sigil]

they just don't want to map the C backend apis to the python api level

[trim valve]

[midnight sigil]

it'll just come down to a question of, is trading complexity and maintainability with customizability worth it

they probably just want you to compile the code on your own, if you really want those nodes

[loud thicket]

I love coding node graph systems for games

[midnight sigil]

smash those tech trees man

I love when stuff are arranged as nodes

[sharp mantle]

Google IO <t:1747760400:R> already hyped, as Google has been cooking consistently in AI

[stark needle]

Cant wait for more random ai slop

To fill up the internet

[opaque sigil]

i'm honestly more excited about material 3 expressive than any ai stuff they might talk about

[stark needle]

Real

The material 3 looks good asf

[noble zodiac]

cant wait for more features I will never interact with

[rigid snow]

idk if it’s a habit but i never use chatgpt, it’s just easier for me to look at the docs +most of the problems i want it to solve it fails +where’s the fun if you’re not the one solving the problems? the reasoning ones are a bit better but still. i really like code completions though for boilerplate stuff

most of the problems i want it to solve it fails
i present it a problem, the SOTA model then proceeds to hallucinate half the libraries and apis in exchange for a gallon of water

why can’t they just say “idk man”

[opaque sigil]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/maxsun-unveils-intel-dual-gpu-battlemage-graphics-card-with-48gb-gddr6-to-compete-with-nvidia-and-amd

[trim valve]

idk if its true but I remember reading somewhere that models performed worse overall if they were allowed to express doubt in their abilities

[sharp mantle]

competition

[rigid snow]

does anyone know if they’re actually aware of what they know?

[trim valve]

I wasn't trying to imply they do

[loud thicket]

SNN for the win

[trim valve]

just that if they're able to try and doubt themselves they performed worse

[rigid snow]

or do they have to “learn” that they possess the knowledge with the knowledge itself

[rigid snow]

i replied to you because it makes sense if the opposite is true

not because you implied anything

[trim valve]

mb

https://arxiv.org/html/2410.09724v1 kinda covers part of the reason but I haven't read much of it

[rigid snow]

interesting that reasoning models constantly doubt themselves but that makes them perform better overall

[dense cosmos]

maybe just a bias in the data, that uncertainty is associated with less performance or something

or they switch into roleplayer mode, and start rp'ing having zero confidence in their abilities lol

[trim valve]

from what I can tell it seems like somewhere in the training pipeline the llm is taught confidence instead of being right

but like

I am very much not reading the whole thing at the moment

[dense cosmos]

fair enough

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

Ye but will be likely treated like 2 devices

[sharp mantle]

can wait till AI systems/LLMs are hooked up to elemental binary logic gates, so the concepts that they describe in reasoning have a log

[dense cosmos]

those are extension cords plugged into extension cords

[olive sable]

Yep

[dense cosmos]

what an abomination

[stark needle]

Llm reasoning has already shown to not work as we thought

[dense cosmos]

mods, add an electron to every atom of that abomination

[olive sable]

I like how half of this is illegal where i live

[trim valve]

[sharp mantle]

as in chain of thought or that llms are a "dead" end according to you?

[stark needle]

Bros power cable handles 100 amps or something😭

[olive sable]

Its not that bad

[stark needle]

The chain of thought part

What the model says it's doing is not what it's doing

[nocturne olive]

SMOL

[dense cosmos]

I mean, I've read a paper that changed the names and minor tweaks to the problems that caused a major drop in performance for llms

which shouldn't happen if it was capable of reasoning

i.e, it's doing some sort of memorisation rather than reasoning

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[rigid snow]

it’s fine, i run my AC unit, PC and speakers off of one flimsy cable, it barely even gets warm when fully loaded (~3kW @ 220V)

[dense cosmos]

I have extension box for my pc, monitor, second monitor (which is really a tv), and my router

[olive sable]

The problem comes withstacking splitters

[dense cosmos]

I don't think that's dangerous territory though

[stark needle]

https://youtu.be/-wzOetb-D3w?si=Kkv-CR4J8qZx1L-Z

[dense cosmos]

hmm... I've heard that youtuber is particularly controversial

nevertheless, I shall give it a watch

ah, Antropic's paper

I've heard about it, but haven't read it yet

[stark needle]

Ye idk about the youtuber but the media presented seems reasonable

[sharp mantle]

wouldn't this imply though that it shouldn't be capable of coming up with novel ideas? (which alphaevolve has disproven by beating strassen's algo)

[stark needle]

Alphaevolve was basically a monte carlo rng of reiterating and testing a ton of stuff till something works

[olive sable]

Wii, 360, ps3, ps2, ps1, surround system, switch, sega master system 2 and a tv.
Probably not even 1KW

[dense cosmos]

that's a lot of gaming stuff

zamn

[olive sable]

The collection keeps growing

[rigid snow]

also probably not running the wii, the 360 and the ps3 at the same time

[olive sable]

Ye

[dense cosmos]

imagine what it would be doing that though

[olive sable]

You'd need pip, and even the i doubt you could get more than 4 onscreen at the same time

Maybe the dual play 3D tv shit could work

[sharp mantle]

what's the difference to science/thinking then if not trying out stuff until it works , in this case it was easy to verify so that's an advantage

[olive sable]

Also, its interesting to see how much power usage has gone down.

The old tv from 2008 used 240W
New one from 2015 is only 180W

And the one in my room is 70

[dense cosmos]

[stark needle]

Nothing here is rly that novel

It's just an ai agent

With outside feedback

Nothing special

[sharp mantle]

idk beating a 50years old algo record is pretty novel to me, I think that kinda goes into philosophy

[stark needle]

Just the method of iterative sampling is better

[hoary lion]

yeah, for me GRPO was more novel

btw good morning

[stark needle]

Grpo is alphaevolve but during training

[hoary lion]

isn't alphaevolve uhh monte carlo?

oh wait, maybe I am not awake so well
yeah I think I have already said that way before

[stark needle]

Basically

Hypothesis testing

Tree based

Brute force till something works better

[hoary lion]

yeah seems like what I have skimmed through was correct but thx for maing it sure

tbh it was all about gemini's base performance for this to be working

[stark needle]

Yea

It wasnt like

Alphafold

Or something custom made

It was "here's an already extremely high quality and capacity llm, let's see how far we can push this"

[hoary lion]

"we rich" ahh experiment

[rough bloom]

did they say anywhere how many tokens this consumed?

[sharp mantle]

it was a year+ ago, I wonder what they've optimised with 2.5 / 3.0 meanwhile but kept secret so far

[stark needle]

[hoary lion]

[stark needle]

Tbf openai is also working on o4 and o5 already

Since this shit takes time

[hoary lion]

this one was not so Deepmind-like

[sharp mantle]

I mean google has a legit method to lower their server wide fleet capacity at 0.7%, do you guys genuinely think they just give it away for free w/o a new market edge?

[stark needle]

Deepmind is very open in some areas

[hoary lion]

it's 0.7%, which they might not have been satisfied for their experiment

[stark needle]

Why would they share all decoded proteins in existance processed via alphafold 2 and 3 when they could make extreme bank with pharma industry

[rough bloom]

they did not
this approach to program search seems fairly obvious and I assume many have tried it already, so I guess the improvement really is in the scale + mabe better models + mabe better prompt

[stark needle]

Ye like o3

Have llm spend enough time

And it figures it out

Even if it costs 5k$ in tokens

[hoary lion]

test 'a lot of' time

[frosty seal]

i love that google just puts out its llms on ai studio for free

[rough bloom]

yeah, in this case it's even better because you can guarantee that the result only ever improves with more compute spent
no regressions possible because you never get rid of samples

[dense cosmos]

what angle would you guys take to hit agi

[hoary lion]

[nocturne olive]

Give up on transformers and do something new

[dense cosmos]

yeah but what

[sharp mantle]

scale + efficiency just like rn imo, an 'illusion' of agi is plentyful for me

[nocturne olive]

I don't know, what I've seen from SNN seems promising but I've never dealt with it myself

[hoary lion]

The fundamental limitation of alphaevolve is that with this method, it could not resolve tasks that are un-measurable
same like GRPO's limitation while training

[dense cosmos]

what if there's a fundamental limit to the scaling behaviour?

[rough bloom]

AGI
I dunno, scale up transformers even further but don't train them to predict text, use RL or something
biologically-inspired architectures might also work since it's proven to work in the brain, but we just don't know a whole lot about how that works

[sharp mantle]

so far there isn't, future problem ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense cosmos]

from what I read in a review, the appeal of SNN is energy efficiency

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[dense cosmos]

there is a way to turn ANN to SNN

[hoary lion]

personally think there would be limit for data

so uhh

maybe traditional NNs might not work so well for next step

but we need better coding shi so

[olive sable]

The drilling shall comence

[stark needle]

RL

Classical one

Learn from real world

[dense cosmos]

I thought we'd have hit the bottleneck already tbh

[dense cosmos]

I was thinking of throwing my model against simulators myself

[hoary lion]

nvidia behavior soon

[stark needle]

Technically what openai and google want

[fathom pendant]

[stark needle]

With advanced voice mode

With video

Get as much irl footage as possible

[olive sable]

Tv be getting mounted

[dense cosmos]

isn't there already boatloads of yt videos out there

[sharp mantle]

google can simply tap into google photos, youtube etc.

[hoary lion]

they already did for youtube

[rigid snow]

can they actually use google photos data

[sharp mantle]

idk, you probably sell your soul when you sign up for google. so who knows, I wouldn't wonder at all if all the companys simply tap in the databases

[rare bramble]

Monitor surgery (bonus blåhaj)

[dense cosmos]

LLMs haven't shed their limitations though, like hallucinations and they still haven't gained proper reasoning

[opaque sigil]

unless you explicitly opt out of it (which you can't everywhere), yes

[sick owl]

https://www.techpowerup.com/336966/maxsun-arc-pro-b60-dual-48gb-graphics-card-hands-on

Allegedly 800USD

400W peak tdp

[trim valve]

you have reminded me why I hate trying to google privacy stuff

so much misinformation on the internet from people who can't read toses

[sick owl]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y8MWbPBP9i0

[sharp mantle]

what's proper reasoning for you, like all concepts generalised on the highest level on a logic gate system? Is that necessary for effective AGI + hallucinations?

[sick owl]

GN got to do a teardown on one

[noble zodiac]

https://tosdr.org/en/service/217

[dense cosmos]

I mean, for starters, they do math through heuristics

[sharp mantle]

most models can be hooked up to proper tools though, like coding, calculators

[dense cosmos]

Yeah, but an AGI by definition would not have that limitation

[trim valve]

some of these points feel like they're being made in bad faith ngl

like I guess you could call this a negative but surely this is just email spam filtering?

[noble zodiac]

it can also be compliance with the law

[trim valve]

I guess but if you're doing illegal stuff then gmail would not be my first choice

[sharp mantle]

i think that's up to definition of AGI, for me AGI would be a system that has access to multiple sub system that as a sum makes the apperance of 'AGI'

[noble zodiac]

just run your own mailserver

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

[sharp mantle]

did you level it

[olive sable]

Yes

[trim valve]

sam do you have enough rgb remotes on your shelves yet

[olive sable]

No

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

One is for the laser projector, one for the light, 3 for rgb poles, and one for the rgb under the tv

Honestly i want more of the disco shit

I like this stuff

It has uv

I like how you mentioned the rgb but not the entire rack of alcohol

[trim valve]

idk I just find the remotes funny

alcohol being everwhere is just normal idk

[olive sable]

Now comes cable managment hell

[sharp mantle]

You have to remember though that obviously companies wouldn't publicly announce that they're training their datasets with any data. Tos is not necessary the reality, there's a great incentive to plunder private data for the sake of training. I think it's genuinely misleading to look at tos at face value, given all of mega corporations track records.

[gritty dust]

gl man

[trim valve]

I think its also a bad idea to listen to people who have no idea what they're saying on random forums who instantly assume google is going to be taking every picture you upload and using them to guess your dna sequence so they can sell it to the lowest bidder

[noble zodiac]

its the same for windows where its the literal devil and there is no nuance

[sharp mantle]

with windows you can glance at the telemetry

[trim valve]

guys I saw the word telemetry in windows is microsoft selling my data!

my files aren't safe!!!

[rigid snow]

go all in and get a whole stage lighting setup, you get to play with dmx as a bonus

[noble zodiac]

guys, a dude on reddit said windows killed his dog

[trim valve]

I saw the word copilot on my C drive, is microsoft training it on my neuro clips collection??

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

I should really learn how lighting software works

[dense cosmos]

I mean, it's only the sane option to be skeptical

[prime plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-sama-ai-vtuber-evil-skeptical-gif-12723821140536603813

henlo chat

[trim valve]

telemetry doesn't just mean personal data is getting shipped away though

it could be many other things

[prime plaza]

how is peoples tonight

[dense cosmos]

Yeah but it's not like most people know anything about what data is and isn't shipped

From that perspective

They have to worry about everything

[olive sable]

Good

[dense cosmos]

Eepy

I should be sleeping rn

[sharp mantle]

https://techcrunch.com/2025/05/10/google-will-pay-texas-1-4-billion-to-settle-privacy-lawsuits/
This is just what happens to come to the light, 1.375bil for privacy breach is a quite a sum

[prime plaza]

what time is it for you?

[dense cosmos]

Almost 11

[prime plaza]

so is it bad that it's 3:15am for me

[dense cosmos]

Perhaps

[prime plaza]

meh this is normal for me now, last night I stayed up until 7am

[dense cosmos]

Well, as long as you do get your seven hours of sleep

It should be fibe

Fine

Suboptimal, probably

[prime plaza]

yeah I usually do, just annoys me how I miss half the day

although I also kinda wish the entire world didn't operate in the time I sleep

[trim valve]

I mean yeah companies will be sketchy but there's only so much I can care about what they do in america

[prime plaza]

my biggest annoyance right now is not being able to think of anything to practice coding so I can learn more

[dense cosmos]

I like the night vibe, it feels like a whole other world

[prime plaza]

yeahh exactly, I kinda wish I lived in a city that isn't borderline abandoned just to experience that sort of vibe

like idk think of tokyo or chongqing

[trim valve]

ngl my biggest pain is when people see the word "crypto" in files or task manager and insantly assume something is mining bitcoin

[prime plaza]

dare I say paris

[trim valve]

like do you really think they'd just leave calling cards for you

[dense cosmos]

Could try doing other things

[prime plaza]

I am prone to this lmao

[prime plaza]

wdym?

right now all I've done is make a calculator from a template and a traffic light game from scratch

[dense cosmos]

It's a tip for like game devs to go experience other media, life and such because it helps give you more information to pull on

Well, that's not exactly the reason

I can't remember the full thing

But yeah, doing stuff outside of one narrow thing = better in the long run

[prime plaza]

I mean I do have some ideas, but they all revolve around one thing that I can't access or use right now:

• irl models or robots or something to hold code
• or generative AI for things like what Neuro uses/is
  - or money

[dense cosmos]

Use rng

[prime plaza]

like I thought of making a clock display thing that displays the time, weather, temperature, etc. on my desk rather than in like 5 different apps on my phone (buuut that would need the code to be put into something physical irl that I don't have)

[dense cosmos]

Like, slap random words together and try to generate ideas from there

Or do theme combinations

Or just pick a theme

[prime plaza]

I don't think my brain is very good at making ideas from scratch tbh

or at least in this context I'm too much of a newbie to just think of anything

[sour lotus]

Extension Pending Review for Chrome store! Lets gooooo!

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gojo-satoru-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-7280593681001594903

[prime plaza]

[dense cosmos]

Well, the rng is supposed to help with that, give you something to start from

[sour lotus]

Ooh shiny, id love something like this, all in one, slick UI,etc

[prime plaza]

so what exactly should I be trying to think of for the rng thing?

[prime plaza]

mhm exactly, I don't like having to look at the bottom right of my monitor for the time anddate (plus the white bar is kinda ugly lol)

[dense cosmos]

Idk, just let your brain make connections

[frozen igloo]

Make a program that spews out a bunch of random letters and spaces and then searches it for words then use that for ideas

[prime plaza]

[dense cosmos]

Library of babel

I used that myself sometimes

[prime plaza]

honestly sounds like something I could manage in like a day or two if I don't get lazy

I just forgor how to make a random list

-# oh right just remembered that I still can't figure out how to get a gui on pycharm

[sour lotus]

I use ChatGPT for ideation at work and projects.
Id put it on microphone, talk for 30 minutes about my idea, things I want to do,features I think would be good, problems it would solve and then let it present it back to me,amazing what structure of your thoughts sparks sometimes
Ive created some dang decent strategies at work and project management and the latest project I pushed to Chrome store. Use it dont use it, unless I missed the mark with what youre struggling with

[dense cosmos]

Heh, I remembered my intro to programming project

My teacher explicitly told me to do something really small

I made convay's game of life in the terminal

It was kinda satisfying, really

[prime plaza]

the amount of times I've tried to phrase one thing only for chatgpt to repeat in words that make WAY more sense is somewhat worrying

[dense cosmos]

Small project, was pretty clear on completion goals, and still had some room for experimention

[prime plaza]

can't say I've ever heard of this

[dense cosmos]

Oh, it's a classic

It's pretty simple too

Start out with a grid of cells

[sour lotus]

Id be like, but this is what I said haha
People dont understand my thinking sometimes but it's helped me communicate a lot better
My line of work can get technical and jargony so its a struggle 🫠

[dense cosmos]

Each cell is either alive or dead

Based on its neighbours, a cell either: dies because of under or over population or comes to life because exact amount is there

Sorry, better rules here:

Any live cell with fewer than two live neighbors dies (underpopulation).
Any live cell with two or three live neighbors lives on to the next generation.
Any live cell with more than three live neighbors dies (overpopulation).
Any dead cell with exactly three live neighbors becomes a live cell (birth).

[prime plaza]

as someone with autism I can say that my thought process on things are way too different for people to understand sometimes, like something will just make sense in my head, but isn't really possible to explain in words

[sour lotus]

Whoa, is this a game?

[dense cosmos]

It's more a simulation than a game

The reason it's famous is because it demonstrates emergence, complex behaviour arriving from simple rules

Also, Convay's game of life is turing complete :D

[sour lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/fascinating-reginald-hargreeves-colm-feore-the-umbrella-academy-alluring-gif-26245520

[dense cosmos]

People have made computers in it!

[sour lotus]

Wait I need to check out more of this

Even has an easter egg on Google!

[dense cosmos]

https://youtu.be/WfuhbI8HE7s?si=F2XNqz1LIrUyU7AL

[prime plaza]

waow

[dense cosmos]

:D

[prime plaza]

honestly kinda hurts my head lol

also I shuold probably be watching this video that teaches a ton of different commands in python, but I'm only 3 and a half hours through it and it's 12 hours

lost all motivation to watch it and just wanna make stuff now lol

[dense cosmos]

o7

Relatable

There should be textbooks that are much more engaging

For one, reading is faster imo than videos

I don't have a second point actually

[prime plaza]

oh yeah I don't doubt it is

[dense cosmos]

[prime plaza]

but it's also a textbook

and I don't do well with books

[dense cosmos]

rip

I had a great time reading the risc-V book though

It was super educational

So it might be the choice of textbook?

[prime plaza]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

from what I can tell learning to program is similar to learning to draw

[dense cosmos]

wat

[prime plaza]

there's a ton of ways to learn it, most commonly though by just doing it and improving over time, and they both require creative thinking to even think of something to make

why thank you kind user, I will be sure to redeem this generous gift you have bestowed upon us in this channel

[dense cosmos]

Hmm...

[dusty tide]

what's in the risc-V book? I've always wanted to learn about cpu architecture

[prime plaza]

tbh the only comparison I had in my head was that they both need new ideas to actually do anything lmao

[dense cosmos]

It's been a good while, and I only read like 150 of the thousand or so pages in there, but I learnt about the instruction set architecture, how addition is done, 2's complement and more

I should finish reading that tbh

[dusty tide]

which book exactly?

[dense cosmos]

The one that comes up when you Google risc v book

Computer organisation and design risc v

[dusty tide]

thanks

[dense cosmos]

The process itself is a lot more logical, by which I mean programming

It's just problem solving

[dusty tide]

also maybe you would know, how can I get software to run in an environment with like zero memory protection
I had this python to randomly corrupt the stack and heap but it's so boring because it just segfaults every time before doing anything interesting

[dense cosmos]

np

[dense cosmos]

I think you would need to fight the os to do that, but also I'm pretty sure your program might get deemed malicious by defender and get sent to the shadow realm

But idk, I've never done it myself so

[prime plaza]

wdym by logical?

[dense cosmos]

Everything's got strict rules and you follow them, have to think and follow the control flow

[rare bramble]

Surgery continues

[olive sable]

Tv screen is loose?

Theres just a gap inbetween the housing and the screen?

Guess il just put glue in it???

[trim valve]

uh

I would try other things first

[olive sable]

Like what???

[trim valve]

uh

I dunno I feel like there'd be a reason its detached

maybe check a service manual and see how you're supposed to take the screen off, then do the reverse

[olive sable]

Its just loose sticky pads

[dusty tide]

cuz it is malicious 😼

[trim valve]

o

idk if that's fine to glue still

if its all in the bevel then

[dusty tide]

also it's running on linux maybe there's a linux distro with no memory protection

[trim valve]

go back to ancient dos

[noble zodiac]

thats something the kernel does, not the distro

[dense cosmos]

Maybe there are commands to allow whatever it is you are trying to do?

Idk

I've never tried to make malware

[opaque sigil]

you'd probably have to modify the kernel itself to not send SIGSEV to the offending process

there are other things like ASLR you can turn off through other means but if you want to get rid of all protections i don't think you'll get around touching the kernel source

[dusty tide]

man

and I can't turn on directory hard links without modifying the kernel either

like in xkcd 981

[maiden geyser]

xkcd? like this?

[scarlet arch]

Have you seen this? https://youtu.be/mEC6PM97IRI

Like I knew it was bad, but I didn't expect it to be this bad

[stark needle]

Ima be honest this is the most based feature in google so far

For items

To not have to scroll through all the schizo

[opaque sigil]

yeah cause they let you easily introduce infinite loops and make some stuff more ambiguous for no real reason

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2025/05/19/the-windows-subsystem-for-linux-is-now-open-source/ nice

[maiden geyser]

what's going on in https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/574720535888396292

nvm some weird dev stream

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

teaching ethics to programmers 💔

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/steamed-hams-aurora-borealis-what-is-happening-fagetti-wtf-gif-16514726

[noble zodiac]

I looked at the stream preview picture and it said something about sentient ai 🙄

[desert wave]

what no stream does to mfers

[scarlet arch]

Just checked. Still the case. I can only assume. But the people not interested into joining #programming will eat it up

[noble zodiac]

I had an ethics course at university but it was about... you know... humans

[rigid snow]

why won't they just ask ai if it's sentient or not. case closed

bro ts is deep asf

[frozen igloo]

Truly the pinnacle of technology

[gritty dust]

whyyyy does it sound like that lol

[rigid snow]

prompt

[stark needle]

Chat is this real

Can i vibecode my way into financial independence

What

code podcast??

Will this recite to me all functions oe wjat

This is basically free codex

Bruh

[trim valve]

next time I start mass drinking energy drinks I should keep the cans so I can make a big pile

[trim valve]

what's that? I don't really keep up with the ai tools

[rigid snow]

is this devin 2

[desert wave]

random thought, are there any AI coding tools that integrate with heavy automated testing environments, e.g. you have a codebase with 1000 passing tests, you write a 1001st failing test, and the AI doesn't return a result until it has 1001 passing tests

[rigid snow]

i don't get what you mean, what result

[desert wave]

the code

[rigid snow]

what's the point if tests are passing already

[stark needle]

Basically

[stark needle]

Codex or something if u have ur tests on GH i guess

Idk if they can see test results

[rigid snow]

let's hope it doesn't suck and isn't $500/mo then

they really wanted you to hire an ai 😭

[stark needle]

It's literally free

From google

[rigid snow]

do you think they're not gonna charge

eventually

[stark needle]

Idk

A lot of google stuff is free

what should i try

[desert wave]

Codex looks like it has regression test integration, neat

[rigid snow]

ohh i get it now, you mean it's gonna rewrite the solution until all tests are passing

[stark needle]

i will try

ok this may be huge

wtf

it's actually the end of time

wtf

????

it actually did it

holy shit

[desert wave]

.venv\Scripts�ctivate

[stark needle]

this is actually a well made and documented script

[trim valve]

how long until you decide its worse than useless

[stark needle]

5 minutes

[trim valve]

reasonable

[stark needle]

but what it generated

is good

ok i see

still fair enough

it's still alpha/beta

[trim valve]

stuff like this makes me wish I had a go-to project suggestion for ai tools to benchmark them

[stark needle]

i will try

wait

can i just put in a paper and it implements it for me

[sharp mantle]

Did it state what model it's powered by?

[stark needle]

gemini

ok i told it to start implementing a huggingface compatible hotswap of a specific layer from a paper that has no github implementations

[sharp mantle]

https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2025/05/19/openSourceAIEditor if anyone is interested in any case

[stark needle]

bruh this thing is actually

implementing full gemma 3

in flax

wait can i ai generate triton kernels

wait this is cool

i can interrupt it while wokring

and tell it to do something else

[opaque sigil]

makes sense

[sharp mantle]

do you see the vision of 1 engineer managing 10-100 agents in your opinion from here?

[trim valve]

problem is most of the tasks I can think of are either quirky multimedia stuff or just boring tasks

[stark needle]

eh i mean

u should still check the code

if it makes sense

[frosty seal]

i'd say vibecode as long as you understand the code, tell the model what you want then double check its code

[raw trout]

My american mind cannot comprehend
We have paper walls

[olive sable]

Ah lol

[desert wave]

now AI can know what it's really like to be a software developer

[sharp mantle]

outsource the verification to another set of AI agents, what could go wrong

[frosty seal]

make sentient ai just to torture it with a 9 to 5

[olive sable]

See here, brick walls

[stark needle]

lgtm

[scarlet arch]

When my dad and I wanted to make some holes in my new flat we had to get special drill bits cause we couldn't get through the concrete and rebar. Yeah... Same material in the ceiling, so getting lights attached was equally a pain.

But hey, with the right wall plugs and screws you can easily hang over a metric ton of weight on it

[raw trout]

huh you guys use anchors too
Just that it's way stronger structural wise

I guess upside of paper wall is during earthquakes

[desert wave]

skynet will start because a product manager says "while this solution does match the written criteria, it doesn't do (list of things that were never mentioned)"

[stark needle]

need to think like a 10x engineer

[frosty seal]

reasonable crashout

[scarlet arch]

Nah LLM will just implement the previous unmentioned things and remove the first thing cause it forgor

[stark needle]

everyone should put into their prompts "You are a 10x <insert anything> engineer..."

[olive sable]

Ehhh, depends.
We hope they're strong enough to withstand an earthquake, yall just rebuild

[sharp mantle]

this is what alphaevolve uses

[rigid snow]

"you are sentient and agi"

[sharp mantle]

it just works

[sour lotus]

When a bug becomes a feature, accidentally picking up GPT's thinking as thinking haha

I dotn want to do 128 redirects mapping zzZZzz

[stark needle]

i put often

[sour lotus]

But GPT is unfortunately pretty bad at mapping this, suprised 🤔

[frosty seal]

honestly i prefer gemini over gpt now

[sour lotus]

Ive found it case by case, gemini is a log better with its massive contextual memory count

*if thats the right word ><

[frosty seal]

oh yeah and also just how multimodal it is

[sour lotus]

Goes to google

[stark needle]

"You are a nobel prize and turing award winning Google L9 Principal engineer with 25 years experience in <...> working on a multi billion dollar Google project where absolute precision and maximum code quality is crucial..."

[frosty seal]

like mf can extract youtube videos and interpret both video and audio

[sour lotus]

Lol yeah hows that working out? 🤣

[frosty seal]

not just try to read subtitles

[sharp mantle]

25 years? rookie numbers 250.000 years of experience

[stark needle]

it works

[sour lotus]

hahaha

[sour lotus]

Nice, I should go job hunting

[stark needle]

chat

[sour lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/joel-embiid-basketball-76ers-philly-shocked-gif-7453900130728905413

Google L9 Principal engineer

[stark needle]

is this peak developer efficiency

[sour lotus]

Be still my beating heart

[amber fractal]

-1 is just a newline

[frosty seal]

absolute peak

[sour lotus]

So I would like a L9's salary thank you very much

Even an 18th of it is fine

[frosty seal]

i personally found that gemini 2.5 flash preview did better code comments, explaining not "what the code does" but "why is it there", over claude 3.7 sonnet

[stark needle]

wtf

it actually

implemented

full unit tested gemma 3

in flax

[sour lotus]

Win?

https://tenor.com/view/friends-gif-8542848662349998929

Claude is waffly to me @frosty seal
I see ChatGPT actually started showing code comments too, the race is onnnn

[stark needle]

huge w

[sour lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/birthday-happy-birthday-dancing-skeleton-happy-gif-26290215

[frosty seal]

i just keep re-registering the Cursor account with the same email 😭

for sonnet

and then gemini 2.5 pro preview is free both in the gemini app and in the ai studio

[sour lotus]

Sounds...very legal lol

This skeleton jamming to my Drum & Bass song is making my day

Oooh its Sam

[sharp mantle]

if you make the assumption that the ai coding becomes norm, then the few engineers will get some odd working hours as the agents will work 247, or maybe it's possible to allocate specific kinds of tasks overnight

[stark needle]

problem is

what is cheaper

100 agents

or 10 good engineers

compute cost can be very high

[sharp mantle]

how long would it have taken you to make the above implementation, roughly? (i assume its working perfectly)

[sour lotus]

Okay im going out on a limb here so please dont kill me, im just asking from practical implication here and science

100 agents = can make mistakes
10 good engineers = Good but not as fast
but combine them?
100 agents do the work, Engineers keep tweaking it and fact checking output?

Im having the same with my work, our current agents are doing roughly 6-7 days worth of work for me and I fact check and tweak it

[stark needle]

full gemma 3 impl in flax?

that wouldve taken ~1 week or sth to me but i'm not a research scientist that can spit out very math heavy code

maybe 2

[sharp mantle]

I mean a google dev employee costs the company probably north of 200k each year, that's over 550bucks per day with limited working hours. I'm pretty sure that agents, with assumed future efficiency will become much cheaper too

[stark needle]

fair true

[sour lotus]

Yeah but the accuracy is always questionable ive found with agents, you need a skilled worker to fact check

Especially when you're working with a company making millions

[sharp mantle]

true, hence why google currently has roughly 20% of its codebase ai generated according to the ceo

anthorpic is like 80% according to ceo

[sour lotus]

Damnnnnn

The whole "Dey took our jawbs" thing is meh for me
Companies laying off people because ai can do their job is ludicrous
Just empower people with ai, dont frekkin replace them

Ive seen some wild hallucinations in my field, if a junior sat with the outputs, they wouldnt have known

[sharp mantle]

unfortunately investor interests conflicts with that rule when $ is set at #1 priority on a greater system

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2024/11/01/ai-code-and-the-future-of-software-engineers/
oh it was in November & 25%

[sour lotus]

Fools all of them, money is evil, bastards

Also I retract my statement that CGPT is bad at redirect recommendations, it actually did a damn good job after 2 tweaks to my prompt

[scarlet arch]

Notice how both these numbers are coming from the CEO. They likely just say that to boost their AI usage numbers.

Just alone running a model "over your code to look for bugs" is considered using AI, even if no actual code is changed. These numbers are made up, I can pretty much guarantee it.

[sharp mantle]

https://blog.google/inside-google/message-ceo/alphabet-earnings-q3-2024/#search
I don't think google has an interest to lie on their earnings report as that could get them in hot water

Today, more than a quarter of all new code at Google is generated by AI, then reviewed and accepted by engineers. This helps our engineers do more and move faster.

[scarlet arch]

I'm not saying they're lying

I'm saying the source of these numbers can be arbitrary

For example

I use GitLab Duo at my company. But I don't use it for actual complicated code. I simply use it for simple auto completions.

That is, by percentage, still more code than I wrote myself. I hope you see what I mean

[sharp mantle]

Yeah I see it. It's not entirely defined what the range is.

Could be agents, autocomplete or mixture + rejected code

[sour lotus]

It’s like saying I bake 90% of my family’s bread because I push the toaster lever down every morning

mm toast

Dammit @scarlet arch you made me hungry

[scarlet arch]

[sour lotus]

Going on a toast run

lol

[scarlet arch]

[sour lotus]

Wait, what do people on their toast here? Is jam a thing in your countries?

Abrikoos and kaas, yum

[amber fractal]

Rewrite #3 time, this is going to be funnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[scarlet arch]

Yesterday I had Winzerwurst and egg on my toast

[sour lotus]

Winzerwurst <- This sounds amazing

[olive sable]

We dont put jam on roasted bread here, only raw bread.
Altho they probably do up noth cuz of dutch influence.

Also, we dont put jam and cheese at thd same time

[sour lotus]

Botterham you mean lol

[scarlet arch]

Idk how to translate it, as it sounds like a name. So meh

[sour lotus]

savages

[scarlet arch]

Anyway imma go and then off to bed

Good night #programming

[olive sable]

Im trying to keep it understandable for the others

[sour lotus]

I was more like, wait I know this dutch word 🙂

we just call it a toebroodjie

[olive sable]

Lmao

Toebroodjie

[opaque sigil]

that word makes no sense to me

winzer is the person that makes wine

[sour lotus]

Toast!

[opaque sigil]

forgot what it's called in english

sup

[sour lotus]

I forgot I was hungry but you reminded me, going to eat and bed!
Have a good evening everyone

[olive sable]

Winzerwurst is a type of salami no?

[opaque sigil]

no clue i've never heard of it

[olive sable]

We mostly do "stutn me choco"

[scarlet arch]

Went past the fridge, quickly took this for you

[olive sable]

100% austrian lmao

[amber fractal]

This part was fast, downscaling and shedding the codebase is not the part I was worried about.

Keeping stuff 1 for 1 is the easy part. Removing the second target is just as easy.

[grizzled viper]

All the fun convos happen when im asleep

[amber fractal]

Yeah it always seems to happen

[grizzled viper]

Having fun with your neurons?

[amber fractal]

Eventually, for now just doing a rewrite

Shedding a lot of code

[grizzled viper]

Redundancy or?

[amber fractal]

Removing features

Not the best thing in the world, but a pairing change made it impossible to work (downscaling complexity)

At least one of these I'll need to readd later once I see how viable it is

[grizzled viper]

What kinda complexity you downscalling?

[amber fractal]

I'm halving neuron size, removing the multiple target converging code because it can't do that anymore.

[grizzled viper]

why cant it converge?

[amber fractal]

It can converge still, just not to the same degree. The size that it was before was perfect for converging to 2 targets, This size is focused at 1 target.

[grizzled viper]

i see, is that ideal? just trying to understand your arch

[amber fractal]

At the moment I'm just moving a check to the forward pass, that is at least interesting

A new one that's for sure, glad it still works

[amber fractal]

I'm trying to shift into composition of neruons instead of focusing on single ones. I would not want to be the one writing code to make sure each of the old neurons only had 1 or 2 targets (anything futher breaks all previous ones)

[olive sable]

I glued it anyways

Its not the prettiest, cuz i couldnt get the glue in the gap, but it works

[grizzled viper]

Couldn't you thread it?

[grizzled viper]

nothing a little sanding paper wont fix

[olive sable]

I aint putting sandpaper on my tv

[amber fractal]

Threading wouldn't solve it, and I could go the opposite direction and bulk the neurons but that is stacking more parts on the existing neurons, each of those have to be one after the other.

I'm hoping for a collection of partial answers

[amber fractal]

Time to switch from a gloss finish to a matte one

[grizzled viper]

like tokens?

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

every time I hear you talk about this codebase I have less of an idea as to what it does

[amber fractal]

Yeah, hoping that combining will give a similar effect to such. I'll have to try and see in that regard

[amber fractal]

Yeah, it is very much is a codebase. Either it works or it doesn't

I am straying further from known knowledge with every iteration

[olive sable]

Tetris is truly on every platform

I need to see if thos tv has doom

[sharp mantle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XCkeN0XuqA
Doom can run on everything

[olive sable]

Aight, i finished the new setup

[olive sable]

You can see why i have 6 rgb remotes now lol

Now i shall sleep

[dense cosmos]

good morning~

[dark wing]

True epilepsy warning

But cool

[dense cosmos]

35 minutes!?

[opaque sigil]

well yeah, it's 87k files being copied on a file system that really does not handle small files well

[maiden geyser]

bro uses boost

[stark needle]

Morning

[inner pike]

Morning shadow

[dense cosmos]

std::exception::

[gritty dust]

My school wifi took 40mins in my computer tech class to download a 2gb file from the internet

[amber fractal]

We love being throttled to 10mb/s

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[raw trout]

Now that the gang has arisen, Goodnight!

[gritty dust]

damn... it's 1am for me bro but good morning

[inner pike]

That math does not check out

[uneven pulsar]

for situations like this

zip

copy

unzip

and make the unzip part skip the temp folder thing

[fringe verge]

wow! do you guys use this?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7-VzgQJamgY

holy shit, i want this so bad now lol

i wonder if it is hard and expensive to make water like that.

definitively have my cooler fans and laptop have a bit of a splash.

[olive sable]

It is expensive ye, thats why almost nobody does it

[amber fractal]

Ah yes, deionized water. That's my guess before the YT short

Called it

I wonder if we still have some around here, I remember asking my dad if it was safe to drink.

[fringe verge]

hmm, i never seen that here, where'd would it be used, if i ever move to the US or such? like if there would be a place to look.

[olive sable]

There is no reason at all to do this to your pc

Even in the US

[fringe verge]

sure, but i don't know how'd to clean, say, my cooler pad. It is so dirty and there are so many small grooves.

[fringe verge]

don't know what to do to clean all the debris that had accumulated.

[olive sable]

Ok but you'l have a worse time keeping the water clean

[fringe verge]

oh, can be bought? Dunno if it is in my country, but nice.

[fringe verge]

hm, i see. alright. so am guessing it is easier if it was a one-time use?

[olive sable]

Ye

[ruby timber]

Morning :3

[tight tinsel]

air cooling is fine just maybe once a month get a old toothbrush and brush the fans

but normally deionised water is used for chemistry experiments

[fringe verge]

ah damn, am dumb. i never thought of that, lol

my bad. alright. i'll see about that.

[tight tinsel]

dont think a normal consumer would want to replace a bathtub of deionised water every month

yeah i use it sometimes to wet filter paper to make it stick to the funnel before pouring something through it

[fringe verge]

oh, how'd you use it? as in, you use a bathtub?

or you use another way to store it?

[tight tinsel]

no like in school we have to do chemistry practical experiments

they just give us a small bottle

[fringe verge]

god, greebled up designs seem to be a pain when dandruff gets there lmao

[maiden geyser]

i thought it's some oil

[faint sandal]

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2025/05/19/enhance-your-application-security-with-administrator-protection/

UAC will finally become a proper security boundry

[maiden geyser]

@gork can i get a tldr

does it provide any pros if my uac is set to never notify

[faint sandal]

no because you're running around naked already a bubble won't cover you up

Administrator Protection makes it so that an elevated state is not persistent throughout the process' lifespan, but the elevated token is separated and managed in its own shadow account, and the token is only handed out per adminsitrative action

meaning UAC will now prompt you for every admin action if this is enabled (which it is not by default)

UAC prior to this was not considered as a security boundary by Microsoft

but now it is since it now it truly acts as a barrier between elevated context

[solar quail]

Hmm what specs do you guys think is the neuro hardware hmmm

[unkempt citrus]

Vedal had a build stream

[maiden geyser]

2x4090

[solar quail]

That so? Must have missed it

[solar quail]

Ah aite thank

[inner pike]

Neuros pc only has 1 4090

Iirc

Cause while he did have 2, he refunded one of them cause it wasnt working

[solar quail]

Damn

Thats cool

[nocturne olive]

2x3090 is more likely due to cheaper and less PCIe overhead (since NVLink) if you're referring to if she runs on a local server

[prime plaza]

ngl making a randomizer is already hurting my head

[noble zodiac]

, after match cases in rust yay or nay?

isnt it required if there is no block

[fringe verge]

oh wow, the Union Aerospace Corporation became real?

but yeah am going to share this, thanks

[maiden geyser]

why not use RDRAND

[scarlet arch]

whatever clippy/rustfmt says

[noble zodiac]

clippy doesnt care even if you mix it

[scarlet arch]

there's lints for it, I'm pretty sure. they're just not on warning or deny by default

[noble zodiac]

I'm not a fan of how rustfmt formats things so I dont have all the style lints enabled

[solar quail]

Use lava lamps

[prime plaza]

didn't vedal even struggle to make that one time, meanwhile I can barely make a calculator

he basically made a near-sentient AI robot in comparison

[solar quail]

Pretty sure not sentient from a programming pov, but really damn near that i am so convinced neuro might be achieving sentience soon

[solar quail]

A program or the actual cal

[prime plaza]

a program that acts as a calculator, not a real tangible calculator

[solar quail]

Fair enough, no worries :p

[prime plaza]

what's a hasher

[stark needle]

nvlink doesnt matter much unless u use distributed training or inference

[daring fern]

Has anyone ever coded in the LOVE game engine

[dense cosmos]

can't say I have

only reason I know of it is balatro

[nocturne olive]

False
She mathematically cannot as long as she uses transformers or other purely ANN architectures

[prime plaza]

let's get you back to the home grandpa 😔

[nocturne olive]

Whar

[prime plaza]

tbh I don't wanna have the whole sentient or not argument again

just that flat out saying "nuh uh" doesn't really make you look very good

[tight tinsel]

what...

[noble zodiac]

huh?

[tight tinsel]

She mathematically cannot as long as she uses transformers or other purely ANN architectures

??????

he even provided a reason for his answer

[safe path]

i think maybe we don't talk about this

[scarlet arch]

It's very entertaining when it happens the 9th time or so this year though

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[solar quail]

Understandable, mathetimatically they are just pattern recognition, and literally produces output that correlate to the training data, and with neuro case, with really good memory.

[tight tinsel]

#programming bingo when smh

[safe path]

so true, entertainment haha

[solar quail]

Yes

Good idea :p

[scarlet arch]

oh guess not for you, true :D

[unkempt citrus]

It's very entertaining when it happens the 9th time or so this year this week though

[solar quail]

I wonder if it is possible for neuro to beat the turing test

[unkempt citrus]

Easily

Turing test was passed more than 30 years ago

then standards got better

but its still gone

Turing test isn't a high bar

[solar quail]

Hm

I wonder what would be a better test

[tight tinsel]

ai sentience bait

[solar quail]

??

[tight tinsel]

same person who took part (maybe started? idk im not going that far back) the last ai sentience argument

[solar quail]

Oh lol

[unkempt citrus]

Sentience FAQ when

[solar quail]

Ask vedool

[solar quail]

Basically the morality argument?

[scarlet arch]

To be fair, we've been here a while, but they're new. So they don't know how often we go through this :P

[solar quail]

Forgib me sempai

[noble zodiac]

it is getting rather tiring

[solar quail]

How often has this been so far?

[scarlet arch]

I've stopped counting :P

[solar quail]

Oof

[scarlet arch]

There was this one episode of people talking very verbose. My brain completely checked out from that one

[noble zodiac]

Just this month about 4 people in here claimed to either created emotions, sentience or a soul

and I wish that was a joke

[solar quail]

Oh no

That is pretty much impossible atm?

[unkempt citrus]

Sentience FAQ

1 - Is Neuro Sentient?
No.
2 - What is sentience?
Philosophy, not comp sci
3 - Something something Turing Test
Turing test was arguably passed as early as 1966 and is meaningless. Just means it can fool a human, has nothing to do with sentience

[safe path]

chat i have discovered sentience

in my self

[solar quail]

Someone pin this

[trim valve]

misinformation

[noble zodiac]

prove it

[solar quail]

Help vano is sentient

The worst has occured

!!!

[scarlet arch]

now prove it.

[solar quail]

What is 10+9

[scarlet arch]

shared braincells :D

[safe path]

109

[noble zodiac]

goddamn

[scarlet arch]

oh no, js

[solar quail]

Phew

Not sentient yet

[tight tinsel]

bwaa

[noble zodiac]

grok is this true

[scarlet arch]

guys I dug through 20GB of log files yesterday and today

customer system status: fucked beyond recognition

[nocturne olive]

SMOL

[trim valve]

(at)perplexity is this true

[noble zodiac]

snafu

[scarlet arch]

about 15GB of that is our Go part of the system panicking and printing all goroutines and stack traces

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

[solar quail]

How tf

[noble zodiac]

just win instead

never played it so iono what that means

[solar quail]

I created emotions too

[trim valve]

jpeg screenshot

smh

[solar quail]

I am crying because at my work place i have to retest all systems due to a single code change 😢

Be addicted

[scarlet arch]

see this is what we need AI replacements for. the boring shit

[solar quail]

That is literally my job scope dont do this to me

[amber fractal]

New FAQ spotted