how dare you use a python version newer than 3.7
#programming
trim valve
trim valve
print keyword my beloved
hoary lion
good morning
olive sable
As in too new or old?
native crow
Trying to get video permissions by typing a lot of words!
sharp mantle
New Codex-1 model 
frozen igloo
Why am I watching this I have no idea what any of this is
olive sable
Why am I watching this I have no idea what any of this is
It be like this sometimes in #programming
frozen igloo
Topos
stark needle
good morning
Mor
olive sable
Mor
jovial remnant
New Codex-1 model <:PauseSama:1094993785412395151>
Looks really interesting so far
maiden geyser
imagine using python<3.13
olive sable
i use 3.12 for webgl, there arent many wheels for 3.13 yet
tender river
you can use for reference
https://github.com/cern-nextgen/reflmempp
https://github.com/alpaka-group/llama
tender river
you can use for reference
https://github.com/cern-nextgen/reflmempp
https://gith...
but at the end, its easier to convert to some common format
raw trout
Morn! 
olive sable
the what?
safe path
all the docs (that i have seen so far) uses QWidget instead of QOpenGLWidget
the latter does GPU accelerated graphics, and is basically plug-and-play acceleration if you used QPainter
trim valve
but at the end, its easier to convert to some common format
neat
olive sable
QOpenGLWidget provides functionality for displaying OpenGL graphics integrated into a Qt application. It is very simple to use: Make your class inherit from it and use the subclass like any other QWidget, except that you have the choice between using QPainter and standard OpenGL rendering commands.
huh
interesting
so opengl on qt framework?
safe path
olive sable
i thought c++ would work with opengl pretty well, didnt know you'd need a lib for it
altho qt is not the exacxt same thing as c+, but i cant remember the difrence
safe path
in general mixing display-type frameworks is a terrible idea
especially with Qt, since it has its own memory management rules and all
tender river
all the docs (that i have seen so far) uses `QWidget` instead of `QOpenGLWidget`
i mean opengl isnt exactly available on all platforms
olive sable
depends on if you count webgl, but even then support is iffy
safe path
i mean opengl isnt exactly available on all platforms
fairs, but i wished there was subtle text in the guides i've used for qpainter that at least talked about QOpenGLWidget 
free acceleration 
stone cedar
Doesn't Qt use ANGLE anyways? so what API you end up with in the end is still ambiguous even if you write opengl commands.
safe path
i don't know enough about Qt to say anything, all I can say is by painting on QOpenGLWidget, my CPU consumption dropped significantly
oh is ANGLE windows only?
yeah it is
it's irrelevant to me then 
stone cedar
Makes sense, no neet to translate opengl to d3d on anything else 
tender river
clearly there needs to be a linux-only drop in replacement called DEVIL
olive sable
isnt it angle as in a corner? not the diety?
stone cedar
MESA already made that and called it Zink 
safe path
missed opportunity
stone cedar
ANGLE - Almost Native Graphics Layer Engine
olive sable
MESA already made that and called it Zink <:syadouNotlikethis:130487350368560749...
black mesa 
tender river
theres also GLOVE https://archive.org/details/glove-src
safe path
can we standardise shaders already
olive sable
use the opengl ones, i likse those
olive sable
use the opengl ones, i likse those
my own subjective opinion is based so ye
tender river
<a:pepew:1301806199087566878> can we standardise shaders already
SPIRV is just that actually!
its a shader IR thats fairly easy to convert from or to anything else
safe path
olive sable
its a shader IR thats fairly easy to convert from or to anything else
fair, but you do have to type 200 lines to get a triangle
tender river
SPIRV is not meant to be written by hand
its an IR
IRs are made for computers, not humans
its like complaining that the LLVM IR printout takes up 20 A4 sheets when you print hello world
olive sable
if i understaand this grapg correctly, spirv is also used by opengl?
tender river
its not
stone cedar
GLSL is probably the best for compatibility, now that D3D12 supports spir-v as well as dxir
tender river
also this still doesnt mean spirv is used by opencl
the graph isnt about what uses what
olive sable
then what do the lines mean?>
tender river
its about formats and conversion tools
olive sable
ohhh
safe path
GLSL -> glslang -> SPIR -> SPIRV-Cross -> GLSL
stone cedar
GLSL -> glslang -> SPIR -> SPIRV-Cross -> GLSL <a:mhm:1301460327614906379>
You joke, but we do that at my job ...
safe path
https://www.khronos.org/spirv/ wait, when you click on the SPIR-V Language Ecosystem picture it changes
prime ridge
Best workflow for web
prime plaza
thought of the most basic, useless project ever and managed to do it in 3 and a half hours (with insane carrying from chatgpt for getting out of loops and looping inside another loop)
stark needle
chargtp
maiden geyser
the small and evil and intimidating horses
fringe birch
they will steal your soul
stone cedar
Breaking out of nested loops is hard shit. 40 years of c++ and they're still deliberating on how to solve this ...
safe path
date of birth is a checkmark 
prime plaza
Breaking out of nested loops is hard shit. 40 years of c++ and they're still del...
I still don't even know what a nested loop means, is that just a loop inside another loop?
olive sable
ye
prime plaza
oki just making sure
opaque sigil
Breaking out of nested loops is hard shit. 40 years of c++ and they're still del...
goto exists for a reason
prime plaza
also not sure whether to feel accomplished or "meh" after this, since a lot of the difficult parts were done solely by chatgpt
olive sable
you should not code with chatgpt, only use it to explains tuff
prime plaza
you should not code with chatgpt, only use it to explains tuff
I kinda did a bit of both, I'd try one thing, it didn't work, I'd ask why it didn't work, then I'd ask what it would do instead
then ask how that worked
olive sable
tender river
Breaking out of nested loops is hard shit. 40 years of c++ and they're still del...
rust solved this (it can be argued whether its the best solution, but it gets the job done)
prime plaza
<a:NODDERS:1196394603792830505>
I take it that I used the robot healthily then
olive sable
ye
prime plaza
still kind of leaving room for myself to learn some things that it gives me before asking what something means too, which ig is an added benefit
like in my case it was what the lines "return", "break", "continue", "return()" all meant and how they're different
maiden geyser
return()?
opaque sigil
yep that's a thing
stone cedar
rust solved this (it can be argued whether its the best solution, but it gets th...
I think named loops are probably the best way (even for c++ there is a proposal currently) if you want to avoid goto at all costs. But the syntax really is almost the same as solving it with goto so I don't know what benefits people expect 
opaque sigil
I wish people would stop with their almost irrational fear of avoiding goto at all costs sometimes
stone cedar
Even the proposal for named loops admits This code is clear enough, but the goto is socially problematic.
opaque sigil
tender river
imo the problem with goto is the unclear raii semantics (they might actually be clear in the standard idk) but goto is normal in some contexts yeah
opaque sigil
Just don't do raii and that's not a concern anymore 
noble zodiac
there are not many people I would trust to use goto and not fuck it up
maiden geyser
isn't it a basic functionality of c
opaque sigil
If you can't use goto to break out of a nested loop then idk you might be a lost cause
stone cedar
Jumping out of a scope will cleanup all objects in that scope properly. Jumping past object initialization is not legal iirc and should not compile.
dense cosmos
The only time I saw goto being used was the default cuda cpp file from visual studio
opaque sigil
Or using it for a simple defer
stark needle
Combine goto with dynamic programming and malloc
noble zodiac
I would first question why you ended in a situation where you feel the need to use it. Most likely you already fucked up at that point
opaque sigil
That's fair I guess
dense cosmos
They used it to handle errors, i.e cleanup data before returning
But yeah I haven't ever used goto myself, I forgot it even existed
scarlet arch
They used it to handle errors, i.e cleanup data before returning
Isn't that what normal error handling is for? By for example bubbling up the error?
dense cosmos
I guess, but the example basically had multiple if statements that goto a deallocation before exiting the function
noble zodiac
its not always desirable to bubble errors up
the linux kernel uses plenty of goto but I trust them to know what they are doing
dense cosmos
If they returned without deallocating it would've caused a memory leak because I believe the memory was allocated in the very same function (I might be misremembering)
And I guess it's slightly more inconvenient to slap those deallocations in every if statement
noble zodiac
dense cosmos
Yep that's basically it
opaque sigil
The poor man's go defer
Is nice sometimes
thanks for making it the correct defer
i'll never not get annoyed when thinking about go and defer
scarlet arch
So if I return something from the arena it's basically garbage by the time the function exits? Surely the compiler prevents this? 
maiden geyser
based
scarlet arch
I like compiler guardrails made by smarter people than me. Idk 
opaque sigil
usually it'd be
since you're adding them to a stack and then popping them off one after another
that's how it works in zig at least
well, not literally since the compiler just throws the code where it belongs but that's the idea
can't you just print to verify
ah
that's why i assume it was possible
dense cosmos
Is it legal to place the defers above the variable they reference, since they get called afterwards anyways
opaque sigil
no
opaque sigil
why are two of those pascal case
and the rest snek case
ah
i guess that's true
fair enough
hexed grove
my random commit messages
opaque sigil
@typeInfo when
just implement all the compiler built-ins while you're at it pls
this is peak code
honestly? not really no
i don't usually do one file per struct i'll group them
i guess if it's a big struct then sure
it is convenient but idk
feels weird
stark needle
Gemini Ultra
opaque sigil
true
i don't think that's really an issue, checking overlap for an array of pointers makes no sense in the first place
yeah
could just throw a compile error if you pass pointers i guess
maiden geyser
is there a way to inline asm
opaque sigil
wdym i can't write arbitrary bytes into the executable wherever i want 
speaking of which, jai public beta when
maiden geyser
wdym i can't write arbitrary bytes into the executable wherever i want <a:SMH:13...
literally 1984
opaque sigil
JIT my beloved
olive sable
welp, i have become a contributor to the openGL wrapper im using
olive sable
i wonder what the #programming ven diagram is of being an insomniac and being depressed
there has to be at least a large corelation
vs live
sharp mantle
I thought AlphaEvolve was on Gemini 2.5. I'm more stunned now
stark needle
<:catdespair:1087521982817509426> I thought AlphaEvolve was on Gemini 2.5. I'm m...
Gemini 2.5 is just dynamic reasoning
sharp mantle
Gemini 2.5 is just dynamic reasoning
Yeah and w/o that it was capable improving on the Strassen's algorithm
stark needle
If u need many ideas similar to e.g. alphago or stockfish or whatever they generate a ton of samples quickly and figure out best
Aka playing the lottery
olive sable
i love gambling
sharp mantle
Humans too are just brute forcing intelligence, change my mind
stark needle
Humans too are just brute forcing intelligence, change my mind <:glueless:128233...
More like
Brute forcing random text generators
Till something good appears
google tpus cause nvidia is overpriced and making ur own chip is cheaper than buying like 30x markup
Moment
And now they use llms to generate better chips
lol
maiden geyser
google tpus cause nvidia is overpriced and making ur own chip is cheaper than bu...
and not because they can just do that
because they're google
stark needle
and not because they can just do that
a tpu i can imagine probably costs idk 2-5k to build, vs a nvidia chip which costs 70000$/each
sly grove
Hello i am a beginner to programming and i wanted to ask what are good python projects for getting better/improving at programming
stark needle
because they're google
When u need 100k of those, it's 500M$ vs 7B$
maiden geyser
a tpu i can imagine probably costs idk 2-5k to build, vs a nvidia chip which cos...
as i said, totally not because they just can do that because they have all the manufacturing capabilities and finances
olive sable
Hello i am a beginner to programming and i wanted to ask what are good python pr...
making some small minigames is what i did
stark needle
as i said, totally not because they just can do that because they have all the m...
I mean was an investment
Same with the new google arm chip
sly grove
making some small minigames is what i did
oke i will be holding that in my mind
stark needle
Why pay amd/intel 10k$/chip when u can make ur own
When u got idk 100M servers or how much they ever have or something and on that scale servers break 24/7
olive sable
when u try to optimize and it becomes slower 
maiden geyser
it means your compiler is smarter than you
olive sable
its python
maiden geyser
optimising python xd
stark needle
I love pretraining llms which cost a gazillion dollars on the almost slowest language possible
Iirc openai uses torch
Hopefully they use the c++ version lol
dense cosmos
I don't think there's that much stuff happening in python
Compared to the model itself
That being said, I still would rather write in cpp
opaque sigil
i don't there's a non c++ version of pytorch
unless you want to count the original lua one
python is just a fancy frontend
olive sable
I don't think there's that much stuff happening in python
there shouldnt be, its all gpu based ye
opaque sigil
sure there's some overhead in context switching but that's negligible
or rather, should be
idk if it actually is
olive sable
same thing with my opengl code, its slow but the bottleneck is my shadercode
maiden geyser
boooriiiing
opaque sigil
tldr: you suck git gud
dense cosmos
Apparently python because ml researchers are math first programming second I guess
opaque sigil
konii do you know if there's a way to not have page faults handled by the linux kernel
let's say i want to handle them myself
stark needle
Someone told me once
ruby timber
tldr: you suck git gud
git...
stark needle
Math people are bad at coding and software engineers are bad at math, so they had to dumb it down significantly
scarlet arch
this is one of the reasons we try not to do premature optimization at our company. simple naive solutions most of the time compile down to a very good result.
sadly the C monolith we translated in 2018 to Rust still has very C like things in it
opaque sigil
yeah catching sigsev would unfortunately be way too late
ideally it wouldn't touch the kernel at all
i guess you could do all the memory management yourself?
yea
i wonder
if i use a thin wrapper for an array and hand out pages myself
i should be able to detect page faults before they occur
yeah but there's another issue, it'd have to run on a gpu
handling gpu page faults on the cpu is painfully slow
dense cosmos
What are you trying to do
opaque sigil
surely there's a hidden register bit somewhere in x86 you can use to disable specific hardware interrupts
are you familiar with the gh200
dense cosmos
Can't say I am
noble zodiac
what could possibly go wrong if you dont handle interrupts 
opaque sigil
basically you have a cpu and an h100 connected with an interconnect to let the gpu access cpu memory directly
dense cosmos
Oh, ai chip?
opaque sigil
problem is
there's a single shared system page table where things get registered so if you run into a page fault on the gpu it needs to send a request over the interconnect to the cpu to handle said page fault and then populate the page table and send back the data
expeeeeensive
scarlet arch
pretty much. and one of the latest version of Rust has a debug assert that a dereferenced pointer is not null. guess what exploded when I tried updating :D luckily it was only test code that didn't fully initialize the "main app" struct
we're at a point where fixing that pointer mess needs a comment with a counter of how many times it has been tried. so we're trying, but PO says "no customer value"...
noble zodiac
I cannot stress enough how bad of an idea it is to mess with the interupt handller
noble zodiac
your PC can literally catch fire
thats the worst
with real hardware on an already initialized system? pfff, what could possibly go wrong if the system doesnt react on whatever the hardware is doing
maiden geyser
even better idea: don't feed your pc well and put more radiators instead
opaque sigil
looks like i would need a way to hook into the mmu on the gpu which uhh, i guess doesn't work without reverse engineering but frick that
time to get a job at nvidia and yoink the internal docs 
yeah idk
i'm sure some smart soul is going to figure this out eventually
or realistically nvidia finds a way around the expensive page faults
what do you do when your working set exceeds the amount of physical memory
true, why didn't i think of that 
they should just stop caring about the economy and laws of physics and give us a 1TB HBME4 gpu tbh
scarlet arch
<a:mhm:1235974179245916170>
what's this for
opaque sigil
using otherwise wasted pcie lanes
noble zodiac
when you want your m2 drive to be cozy warm
scarlet arch
using otherwise wasted pcie lanes
ah I figured they use all of them by now
opaque sigil
apparently they do support gen 5 drives, that must get so toasty
opaque sigil
ah I figured they use all of them by now
they do
scarlet arch
m.2 extension cable, free floating drive? :P
opaque sigil
but they don't need that many, especially "lower tier" cards like this 4060 ti
olive sable
wouldnt putting an ssd in your gpu limit gpu bus speed?
opaque sigil
well yeah
but when you can already halve that without losing more than a couple % it doesn't matter too much
noble zodiac
just stream your storage over network 24/7
noble zodiac
not a 100 gigabit
opaque sigil
800GbE
olive sable
too bad, ssd burns allong with the 5090
noble zodiac
you dont even need fiber for it. You can copper that all up
We have dozens of VMs at work that are purely network based with no local image whatsoever
noble zodiac
I have never played balatro to me it doesnt sound odd a tall. Just a single song that doesnt have too much going on
it sits in an odd stop for me. not chill enough but also not stimulating enough
noble zodiac
adhd speedrun
hoary lion
attention span of an amoeba
noble zodiac
I wonder if gen Z can sit through a 20min prog song
stark needle
I wonder if gen Z can sit through a 20min prog song
I once streamed myself watching 1 hour of commercials in a discord
And ads
hoary lion
I wonder if gen Z can sit through a 20min prog song
tbh i cant
i never heard any peak song over 8 min
noble zodiac
naah, the best songs are longer
opaque sigil
bury the light my beloved
maiden geyser
i never heard any peak song over 8 min
kid named save me
stark needle
i never heard any peak song over 8 min
My favorite genre https://youtu.be/LmBI77ugdK4
noble zodiac
I would say that I love the distortion of the cello but thats just the mic peaking like crazy
olive sable
it sure does have sound
maiden geyser
naah, the best songs are longer
nothing like because maybe
olive sable
I wonder if gen Z can sit through a 20min prog song
nope, we cant
olive sable
https://youtu.be/kTl6geIBG9M
olive sable
umg owns it, so no embed for some reason
maiden geyser
no, it isn't available even in browser
stark needle
Ur county censors this Masterplan
noble zodiac
if you dont add a random flute solo in your rock song are you even trying
olive sable
Ur county censors this Masterplan
thank fuck
noble zodiac
music genre names is the only thing still beating tech bro product names
noble zodiac
"music is subjective"
the cbat reddit guy is the living proof
olive sable
music genre names is the only thing still beating tech bro product names
some existing music genre names are:
Djent
Shoegaze
Math Rock
Cattle-Core
Black Sludge
deep psychobilly
solipsynthm
Math Rock๐ฅ ๐ฅ
olive sable
๐ฃ๏ธ
stark needle
And konii why are you 17 minutes in
stark needle
It's working
olive sable
๐ธ 
โ 4๏ธโฃ ๐ฐ 
๐ต
noble zodiac
or just be sleep token and do all the genre
stark needle
๐ธ <:NO2:1213183264613732402> โ 4๏ธโฃ ๐ฐ <:pg_char_6:848253993817735210> ๐ต
olive sable
what in the fuck?
stark needle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vl96c7Bjmo
Omg a miku!!!
olive sable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vl96c7Bjmo
this one sounds pretty depressing
now im 
noble zodiac
maybe they sing about flowers and rainbows
stark needle
now im <a:Aware:1364415803415597068>
@SystemL is this true
olive sable
noble zodiac
eh, I got worse songs
stark needle
eh, I got worse songs <:dittoface:492845603294806017>
i have some worse songs but they would get me banned if i posted here
olive sable
prime ridge
https://youtu.be/yoHR8qwuqmY
What a classic
olive sable
i forgot im using the alpha channel too so i was wondering why it was invisible 
depthmap go brrr
stark needle
clyde what are u on about
olive sable
clyde go brrr
scarlet arch
or I think discord calls it shard
olive sable
stark needle
But isnt that for dms only
scarlet arch
no I had that in a server before
hoary lion
?
maiden geyser
the gif doesn't embed
hoary lion
is this some kind of high knowledge behavior that I cannot comprehend
or is it just embed fail
hoary lion
scarlet arch
fuck that got me. I was like ":O konii voice reveal"..
maiden geyser
yes, but it doesn't embed anymore
scarlet arch
oooh haha
maiden geyser
I'M NOT SCHIZO
gritty dust
I'M NOT SCHIZO
Holy same I'm glad
olive sable
is 1.1TB of data for an llm normal?
and if so, how does it even train that? i dont have that much vram nor ram
i dont even think i have that much storage space
scarlet arch
isn't training done in batches and stuff?
opaque sigil
think of it as a sliding window through your dataset
scarlet arch
I'm honestly surprised it's not more
opaque sigil
idk you'd have to ask shadow or someone else
olive sable
im watching shadow play balatro in vc rn so i dont want to bother him with llm stuff
btw, what about hard drive sepped being an issue?
cuz for 1.1TB ill have to spread it over multiple drives, including a hard drive
scarlet arch
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1320128995366408254/1320129239130963989...
opening this in my browser works lol
opaque sigil
ideally it should just load whatever it needs so i guess if your drive is so slow that it becomes a bottleneck that could be an issue
olive sable
scarlet arch
and it's not from tenor
opaque sigil
would depend on how fast it can actually process data idk
scarlet arch
IT LOADED
hahaha
so I'm gonna assume discord is routing it
which means discords server is down. which explains the previous error with Clyde
scarlet arch
but its in russian or something
you installed a RAT, gg
opaque sigil
olive sable
its slovakian apparently
i would say close enough but idk if i should
this is the hard drive stats
maiden geyser
this is the hard drive stats
bro didn't lose spin retry count 0 yet
opaque sigil
that is indeed a hard drive
olive sable
bro didn't lose spin retry count 0 yet
what does that mean?
scarlet arch
one of my oldest drives power on hours :D
loud thicket
almost at 50k
desert hawk
desert hawk
this is the hard drive stats
Whoโs Aoi
olive sable
how shoudl i know?
maiden geyser
Whoโs Aoi
some random anime girl program's author likes (i guess?)
olive sable
Then, the fragmentโs position is transformed into world space, using the camera inverse
modelview matrix Mc-1 (which need not be a full inverse โ the top 3x3 portion could be
transposed only if scaling is not used).
optimizations 
altho idk if it will actually be faster cuz python
amber fractal
Classic python
olive sable
Classic python
ye
inverse uses a C function via numpy
transposing is also a C function, but doing only the top left uses list slicing
molten island
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-says-stay-tuned-to-those-asking-for-arc-b770 <...
HOLY
opaque sigil
i guess depending on how much vram they give and the performance i might end up saying goodbye to my 5070 ti
though ig realistically it'll be significantly slower so unless they add a ton of vram
olive sable
B770 64GB variant when?
amber fractal
I'd be yoinking that so fast if it was real
amber fractal
olive sable
"If you could use loops, this would be easy:
y = np.empty_like(x)
for i in range(100):
y[i,:] = np.linalg.solve(A[i,:,:], x[i,:])
But you canโt use loops."
yes you can
nobody is gonna stop you
olive sable
https://dynomight.net/numpy/
wtf is this website?
the white image is not hdr unless i hold my cursor over it
amber fractal
nobody is gonna stop you
I use loops in numpy
amber fractal
Vibe coded smh
opaque sigil
i didn't notice cause i just used my trusty rss reader
olive sable
"I donโt love NumPy broadcasting" ok? good for you?
opaque sigil
a fellow broadcasting hater 
olive sable
its fine for most things. for vector and matrix multiplication jsut use @ and you wont have problems
to me * should be element-wise, and @ is matmul
opaque sigil
vector and matrix multiplication has never been the issue
when you have a handful of dimensions and suddenly you're broadcasting across 2 of them it gets really confusing
but i also suck so
amber fractal
Yeah I can vouch for that
olive sable
when you have a handful of dimensions and suddenly you're broadcasting across 2 ...
what?
like you go over 2D arrays?
opaque sigil
i'm complaining more about pytorch than numpy tbf
olive sable
ah, i don use pytorch so
opaque sigil
they both share the same broadcasting semantics for the most part
it's pretty easy to end up with high dimensional tensors in pytorch
olive sable
opaque sigil
think of a simple rgb image for example
you'd have 4 dimensions, one for each channel + one for the batch
olive sable
oh i mixed the sentence up in my head
you meant: you'd have 4 dimensions, [one for each channel + one for the batch]
i read it as: [you'd have 4 dimensions, one for each channel] + one for the batch
opaque sigil
olive sable
tender river
i hate cabal
then use stack i guess
amber fractal
you meant: you'd have 4 dimensions, [one for each channel + one for the batch]
i...
To be fair RGBA exists
olive sable
ye, which is why i asked
as ive been spending a lot of time in shadercode, rgb is a vec4 in my head
this function is using 25% of execution time
the np.linalg.inv(view @ proj) is especialy heavy there
tender river
i recently had to refactor some rust to not use arenas so i can use it with some other code that relies on static lifetimes due to concurrency, literally 1984
opaque sigil
this function is using 25% of execution time <:bwaadow:1332074721155612753>
why are you creating 3 arrays every time
tender river
true
opaque sigil
should be able to do something like
cornerX, cornerY, cornerZ = viewcorners.T
less garbage is always good
olive sable
should be able to do something like
```python
cornerX, cornerY, cornerZ = viewco...
i forgot you can do that
Its indeed transposable
tender river
I wonder if gen Z can sit through a 20min prog song
i'm technically gen Z so i feel qualified to answer, the closest thing to prog i like is certain radiohead songs, that's about it, most songs feel boring even if they aren't 20 minute long
opaque sigil
<:neuroNOWAYING:1148961698099777638> i forgot you can do that
it doesn't even matter whether you transpose it, just don't waste memory if you can avoid it
tender river
"If you could use loops, this would be easy:
```
y = np.empty_like(x)
for i in r...
technically you can http://numba.pydata.org/
opaque sigil
i wonder if the python interpreter is smart enough to reuse the arrays allocations (unless their size changes idk)
prime ridge
its fine for most things. for vector and matrix multiplication jsut use @ and yo...
๐คข
olive sable
technically you can http://numba.pydata.org/
Needs to compile to wasm things, so idk about numba
prime ridge
numba is amazing
olive sable
That isn't the issue
olive sable
opaque sigil
when in doubt you can also just try seeing if it runs under pypy
amber fractal
I wonder if gen Z can sit through a 20min prog song
I haven't listened to any prog songs, but I have listened to 1:30:00+ songs in the past (and probably rn)
opaque sigil
i know they've been working on getting support for more libraries over the years
loud thicket
tender river
what why would you need chatgpt for that
just answer from memory
"I'm ChatGPT, a language model developed by OpenAI. Let me know if I can help!"
prime ridge
Does Vedal ever come in #programming ?
tender river
sometimes
prime ridge
last time he sent a messege here was 16 days ago
sometimes with 4 months of a dry spell ๐ญ
he has sent less messeges here than me...
and I only started chatting here a few days ago
opaque sigil
@olive sable do you have an example i could try getting to run via pypy btw
i'm actually curious
since pygame and pygbag both seem to build just fine
paper nova
just answer from memory
Memory leak or not enough tokens
opaque sigil
let's seeee
olive sable
https://github.com/samvanmaele/game-engine
The very first line of main.py has the compile arg
The rest of it is game assets and such
olive sable
Ye, it's the only repo I've made so far
olive sable
My GitHub is not up to date, but it does have a week or 2 old version
I can gitpush the current build in 15min
paper nova
Will have take look when I get home
amber fractal
damn u don't many public repos
I know Sam is new to version control, considering some of the older versions having a bit much for github.
opaque sigil
idk what kind of performance i'm supposed to be expecting
it's ~60-70 in librewolf and 140-150 in chrome
with a 5070 ti
though ig good news is that pypy does seem to run
olive sable
it's ~60-70 in librewolf and 140-150 in chrome
Chrome is vsync
Just running locally by running the file normally is max gpu
olive sable
That could be it ye
I do get 70fps on both Intel igpu on laptop, and this snapdragon 870
opaque sigil
it keeps crashing though i'm also trying to run it under wsl
time to try windows ig
funnily enough pygame doesn't seem to care too much when i tell it to target 3.12 but running it via 3.10 (pypy)
olive sable
ye i am doing 3.13 myself
olive sable
the one for python -m pygbag --PYBUILD 3.12 --ume_block 0 --template noctx.tmpl . is mainly for getting the right python interpretor in browser
prime ridge
You should publish some more code
olive sable
this is all the code i have
olive sable
i already have my hands full with school and this one
im doing bachelor independant game production in a few months
opaque sigil
i love it when msvc comes in and ruins all the fun
prime ridge
oh ur an undergrad?
olive sable
im still in hs
prime ridge
oh same
opaque sigil
imagine
olive sable
should be able to do something like
```python
cornerX, cornerY, cornerZ = viewco...
this works besides needing to slice it to 3 long instead, cuz its 4 logn rn
prime ridge
so ur engine is a pygame improvement?
I didn't comb through all the code I just looked at the website
olive sable
not really, pygame is just the window
prime ridge
oh I see
olive sable
its just opengl
prime ridge
writing opengl kernels ๐
opaque sigil
shaders
prime ridge
shaders
olive sable
ah
prime ridge
shaders are opengl kernels thooo
olive sable
ye i do write shaders
prime ridge
but idk I don't do any rendering shit thank god
opaque sigil
i don't think opengl and kernels have anything to do with each other
they're completely separate things
i mean sure, compute shaders can act as kernels
opaque sigil
cuda kernels give you far more control
but i guess yeah they both run stuff on the gpu
opaque sigil
prime ridge
Honestly my fav type of programming might be 6502
It's honestly a pretty good language
it's pretty fun too
programs these days don't have fun solutions to anything
opaque sigil
..\numpy_core\meson.build:175:4: ERROR: Problem encountered: "complex.h" header does not include complex type complex float
thanks for being too lazy to update your parser microsoft
(for context)
prime ridge
99 ๐
olive sable
idk if it would be usable here
it was usable
cornerX = [*viewcorners[:, 0]]
cornerY = [*viewcorners[:, 1]]
cornerZ = [*viewcorners[:, 2]]
minX = min(cornerX)
maxX = max(cornerX)
minY = min(cornerY)
maxY = max(cornerY)
minZ = min(cornerZ)
maxZ = max(cornerZ)
is now
minX, minY, minZ = np.amin(viewcorners, axis= 0)[0:3]
maxX, maxY, maxZ = np.amax(viewcorners, axis= 0)[0:3]
huge
prime ridge
> ..\numpy\_core\meson.build:175:4: ERROR: Problem encountered: "complex.h" head...
It's very microsoft to not update in 26 years 
amber fractal
it was usable
```
cornerX = [*viewcorners[:, 0]]
cornerY = [*viewcorners[:, 1]]
...
Python max and min functions 
olive sable
what i find very weird is how i get as lot more performance when zoomed out, eventho im rendering more.
i will relook at my LOD code
opaque sigil
It's very microsoft to not update in 26 years <:braindead:711109174142173205>
you must understand, this is clearly an unsolved problem
olive sable
in the meantime im gitpushing this
i like how the first time i test the compiled version it always takes 3 min to load 
i forgot to add --git to the command arg for compiling
without that one cv2 dont work
its been a week or 2 since i tested compiling, i got Could not create EGL context (context attributes are not supported) now
opaque sigil
it failed now because of avx512
why do you detect half of avx512 as supported on zen3
can you like
not
olive sable
its been a week or 2 since i tested compiling, i got `Could not create EGL conte...
think i fixed it, cant use core profile, need es
cant use 3.3 either, needs to be 3.0
but renderdoc only works on 3.3+...
high quality cde
array indexes for fragment outputs must be constant integral expressions motherfucker
so many rules
simple mural
Random question: I'm looking to buy a new 27 inch monitor that's at least 1440p, problem is that I can't decide between an IPS or an OLED. Since I game and do programming I would think likely an IPS would be better despite the lower quality since I've heard that OLEDs are terrible for productivity and struggle with burn in but I was curious what other people were using.
olive sable
recent models are pretty decent in terms of burn in
i would say: productivity -> ips, entertainment -> oled
simple mural
Coding can be a form of entertainment
olive sable
olive sable
`array indexes for fragment outputs must be constant integral expressions` mothe...
I can fix this, i think
simple mural
Debugging code is not entertaining lol
Or finding that the library you've been using isn't supported by anyone anymore and you have to completely change your code
tender river
Debugging code is not entertaining lol
it is if you learn from it
depending on what you mean by "entertainment" that is
simple mural
Well, ideally you will but in the moment...
olive sable
I can fix this, i think
yep, fixed
vec4 tempcol = vec4(0.0);
tempcol[instanceID] = 1.0 - gl_FragCoord.z;
colour = tempcol;
damn im good
tender river
Well, ideally you will but in the moment...<:MokouCringe:1227269915845857352>
to learn from it you have to analyze your issues on a bit more fundamental level than just fixing the bug
like analyzing memory safety issues eventually lead to rust
final tinsel
gn
amber fractal
gn
final tinsel
q4_k_m goated
perfect balance of speed and like responsiveness
and quality
every time
i end up doing this
final tinsel
Qwen3 why must you process each line individually
fast pagoda
mmm
go on requesty
click on prompt library out of curiosity
oh shit y'all bear grylls AI v2 is out
fast pagoda
ive got 272 tests in this LMAO
low flame
Hi!
idle fractal
so quick question,
If I wanted to get into game development how much math and computer science would I need to understand to actually make a good game
tender river
so quick question,
If I wanted to get into game development how much math and co...
a lot of geometry
cs isnt really needed
its good to know good software engineering practices and sometimes DSA i guess
if you look at many games' code it's really bad
the important thing is a good concept and persistence
of course the simpler the concept is to execute the better
tender river
so quick question,
If I wanted to get into game development how much math and co...
also imo it's best invest a decent bit into basic art and music production (good games can have simple music and art, simple doesn't mean bad, making something simple that works takes skill)
idle fractal
I have a little bit of artistic prowess, and I have a good friend of mine thats obsessed with making music beats. So I think Id be pretty good in that regard as long as I give him a cut of money for a bit of my soundtrack. Just need to do a bit of studying in code
thanks for all the tips bhy
amber fractal
Doing some python frickery with a funny side project. This would be normal code if it wasn't static.
stark needle
nreuo
stark needle
ruby timber
nrewo
safe path
good morb
stark needle
i find it weird how
learning to draw improves my drawing with mouse in ms paint skills
maiden geyser
does playing osu improve your drawing
ruby timber
I wish
stark needle
does playing osu improve your drawing
ask @sage crag
she can sketch pretty stuff but idk if thats just from drawing otherwise or her gigabrain figuring out the wacom tablet
at least hand eye coordination must increase
tender river
i'm an osu! beginner (close to top 200k) and i still cant draw straight lines, but it should at least build the muscles and tendon strength you need for drawing
safe path
i was 5 digits at some point, i cannot draw
noble zodiac
just use a ruler 4head
safe path
my handwriting is atrocious as well
stark needle
my handwriting is atrocious as well
same
safe path
penmanship is an ancient concept, we should type everything instead
noble zodiac
I'm a big fan of writing on paper
stark needle
writing on paper > writing on pc when u need to concentrate
tender river
too bad writing on pc is faster
stark needle
otherwise when u need high throughput writing pc is better
safe path
i have a epaper tablet i use for writing when i need to
it's useful when exploring math
stark needle
too bad writing on pc is faster
buy typewriter best of both worlds
tender river
the uuh resomething?
safe path
but outside of that it's raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
noble zodiac
I always felt weird about this whole X is faster to type. Especially when talking about mechanical keyboards. How often is your brain faster than your fingers really
stark needle
remarkable
tender river
yeah that
safe path
the uuh resomething?
i use a supernote actually!
ceramic nibs, never dies
i never need to replace the pen
ruby timber
stark needle
my stepmom has the remarkable pro i find it kinda a waste tho since she already owns 3 12.7 inch ipad pros
safe path
3 
stark needle
3 <:holy:1353836739264909385>
disposable income
tender river
because i'm looking for something to write conspects in because it doesnt feel good to sit at my pc while ereading a book just so i can conspect it
noble zodiac
I'm on the other end and make my own notebooks instead
stark needle
she earns multiples more than my dad lol
stark needle
good for reading on beach
safe path
it looks like paper, so it doesn't destroy my attention span
stark needle
also battery lasts 300 years
safe path
not on a writing tablet
safe path
but about a week or so
tender river
i use a supernote actually!
$300, looks reasonable enough, how is the response time?
nocturne olive
so quick question,
If I wanted to get into game development how much math and co...
Depends
If you're doing a 2D game in Godot you probably need less than if you're doing a 3D game or even 2D game raw in some language, or using a more complex engine
cobalt sigil
it looks like paper, so it doesn't destroy my attention span
I feel like I'll still get distracted by that
so I'd rather use paper lol
safe path
$300, looks reasonable enough, how is the response time?
it responds to pen strokes instantly, but apart from that it's not really responsive
tender river
thats all i really need
stark needle
remarkable propaganda
tender river
might buy it if i have spare cash
noble zodiac
the world we could live in if the patent holder of eink wasnt a dick
tender river
remarkable propaganda<a:SCHIZO:1137565307582566532>
just use ddg or ublock
stark needle
whos the patent holder
i dont mind product ads on google but the sponsored stuff is a bit annoying
since sometimes it has what i need
noble zodiac
whos the patent holder
E Ink corp
safe path
okay supernotes cost $1k here <:neuroDeadge:1143202706329186324>
wtf
how is it so expensive 
tender river
tender river
how is it so expensive <:MONKA:1325222333975236618>
small demand + the difficulty of international bank transactions
cobalt sigil
apple and Samsung sponsoring the same thing are they finally frds now
(i think it's scam btw
noble zodiac
what I really need is ocr for greggs but somehow no one ever bothered to do that
safe path
you do it 
cobalt sigil
vedal can help lol
noble zodiac
I have like 5 dozen half done projects, I'm good
noble zodiac
I'm sure the two dozen ppl who can write gregg would be ecstatic
tender river
small demand + the difficulty of international bank transactions
i found a remarkable for $450 though, i guess its the next best thing
but
pinenotes cost $400 https://pine64.com/product/pinenote-community-edition-coming-soon/
maiden geyser
why do you remove embeds?
noble zodiac
A bunch of the kobo ereader have note taking features and a pen
tender river
i have a kobo but its display has a bad response time
my biggest complaint though is armv7 rather than arm64
noble zodiac
sadly I'm stuck in the kindle ecosystem which I hate but eh
tender river
i had a jailbroken pw2 back in the day
stark needle
back to working on the balatro bot today
tender river
heard they are much higher to jailbreak these days
noble zodiac
I can't be bothered tbh. its not like I would really get anything out of it anyway
tender river
koreader
noble zodiac
ok but what for
tender river
for not having to convert everything to mobi/azw
also it has plugins and cloud sync and stuff
noble zodiac
I only read books on it ๐คท
tender river
i mean, i also only read books on my ereader? i dont get your point
noble zodiac
I have nothing to convert. I buy novells and they are there
tender river
yeah in that case theres no point i guess
noble zodiac
due to amazons predetory practices often times its the only source I could even get some novels from
tender river
i get that, i wanted to read a manga in japanese back in 2016 and i had to go through a lot of hoops to buy it from amazon.co.jp and then got banned right after buying it
noble zodiac
dont get me started. Its the year of our lord 2025 and the concept that someone might be able to speak more than one language, got forbid one of them isnt english, is still a foreign concept
Using the web based kindle reader is the only thing that works
faint sandal
pinenotes cost $400 https://pine64.com/product/pinenote-community-edition-coming...
This looks fire
tender river
yes but like every pine64 product it's basically "you're on your own, go fight it out"
stark needle
this is what i gotta work with
ruby timber
this is what i gotta work with<a:SCHIZO:1137565307582566532>
Looks easy
maiden geyser
this is what i gotta work with<a:SCHIZO:1137565307582566532>
161 of clubs
scarlet arch
this is what i gotta work with<a:SCHIZO:1137565307582566532>
I'm assuming you're getting this data from a mod or so? 
midnight sigil
POC of cross communication of strings(arrays) between objects using geometry nodes
ruby timber
midnight sigil
POC of cross communication of strings(arrays) between objects using geometry nod...
this actually have HUGE potentials of doing random shits, and I don't see anyone on the internet doing this. What I'm trying to do is create a raytracer(in geometry nodes) in raytracer(Cycles) and visualized in 3D space(viewport)
tender river
buy typewriter<a:SCHIZO:1137565307582566532> best of both worlds
actually i feel like a portable typewriter with usb/bt kb support is a great concept
i'll keep at it then
safe path
straight lines
tender river
actually i feel like a portable typewriter with usb/bt kb support is a great con...
especially if it can also mirror everything to pc at the same time
maiden geyser
bro doesn't have an optimal cursor path
tender river
especially if it can also mirror everything to pc at the same time
super expensive tho
actually wait
i can just use a bluetooth keyboard on my ereader maybe?
midnight sigil
bro doesn't have an optimal cursor path
I mean it's a beautiful bezier curve tho
tender river
ok it doesnt have bt but i can build a wifi keyboard
molten island
really strange thing happens after learning / diving into functional langs
my fucking head works different
midnight sigil
I think recreating the curve I drew with only two control points is possible
idk why I think of that
tender river
ok it doesnt have bt but i can build a wifi keyboard
i have a wifi board for flipper zero and i can repurpose it as a keyboard host
molten island
languages should teach you new things
tender river
<a:YES:1162976978278809641>
see also one of my pinneds in this channel for more cool languages
molten island
see also one of my pinneds in this channel for more cool languages
for now i'm trying to work around with haskell for my personal projects and learning js/ts for diploma
but
ty
midnight sigil
see also one of my pinneds in this channel for more cool languages
love that html is not on the list
molten island
love that html is not on the list
jsx 
amber fractal
html doesn't deserve to be on the list (Nor does js)
tender river
working overtime on cross pollinating #programming and #gaming
tender river
companies love stealing data but hate data being stolen from them
ruby timber
me mouse player
Based
sick owl
ethical AI is a myth at this point
Depends on what you view as ethical
Imo training on anonymised scraped data is way less evil than what, say, Facebook have do with people's info
stark needle
setting up the action space for balatro is a mega pain
theres so many actions
and i need to make so many masks
prime plaza
Depends on what you view as ethical
I think what's ethical is using data that was knowingly given by the people you're taking it from
noble zodiac
When it comes to south africa ....
tender river
tender river
theres so many actions
(no AI can even manage these actions, i hope to get around to simplifying it at some point)
in my experience sending context is much harder than actions though
stark needle
in my experience sending context is much harder than actions though
action space isnt too bad
in my case
i'm working without LLMs
so
tender river
thats the only way to go if you want good results in non-narrative-driven games anyway
tight tinsel
sick again smh of course its a weekend
stark needle
the cards are represented as the cartesian product of 8x53 spaces
no idea how to represent otherwise
i will figure it out
noble zodiac
dont forget your umbrellla
amber fractal
the cards are represented as the cartesian product of 8x53 spaces<:neuroDeadge:1...
Surely you have handled the case where multiple identical cards exist
stark needle
Surely you have handled the case where multiple identical cards exist <:glueless...
and jokers are 5x151 permutation invariant onehot encoded
stark needle
Surely you have handled the case where multiple identical cards exist <:glueless...
yes
it's handled to be permutation invariant cause it doesnt matter in what order the cards are
and one hot encoded so it can be any
amber fractal
and jokers are 5x151 permutation invariant onehot encoded
Invisible joker / Showman my beloved
stark needle
is that a thing
amber fractal
Bold of you to assume only 5 slots exist
amber fractal
Invisible joker / Showman my beloved
These are for cloning, negative is another thing
stark needle
dont be like suriel trying to troll me into random shit pls๐ญ
i see 5
i will use 5
if theres more
then skill issue
stark needle
isnt that for items
amber fractal
Game spoilers: ||Also a hidden perk does this||
amber fractal
I forget the max hand size that is possible. Balatro is definitely a game meant to be broken.
amber fractal
isnt that for items
Jokers (And also items) can give an additional slot, but it is better to think of them as taking up zero slots
stark needle
i will not make it ivisble then
so ez
idc about all easter eggs and shit possible as long as the ai can play balatro somewhat
stark needle
it will figure it out
olive sable
tender river
i sometimes forget not everything is about programming
just googled "timestamped tombstones"
what i meant is this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tombstone_(data_store)
midnight sigil
yea I got the apache cassandra docs too
tender river
decks can be safely ignored but negative is harder to ignore
stark needle
so i need to consider this stuff right? https://balatrogame.fandom.com/wiki/Card_Modifiers
i guess i need to add n extra dimensions yippee
tender river
technically you can build arbitrarily large decks and joker stacks
but for the purpose of beating the game something like 50-100% buffer should statistically cover nearly every playthrough
tender river
so i need to consider this stuff right? https://balatrogame.fandom.com/wiki/Card...
antimatter is a voucher
theres 1 voucher per ante you can buy
(unless you reroll the shop of course)
tender river
note that you can beat the game with many restrictions (like not using jokers at all)
so dont worry about it too much
stark needle
so dont worry about it too much
i would still wanna at least implement the functionality even if i dont use it later just as an exercise
since i have almost no idea what im doing
tender river
fair
its probably worth investing at least like 5-10 hours into just playing the game to understand it better
also probably download a 100% save with all unlocks so the gameplay stays consistent
stark needle
true
tender river
or wait is there a button that unlocks everything but disables achievements
i remember something like that
tender river
ah good
stark needle
why is there among us in the game files
scarlet arch
What?
opaque sigil
There's an among us deck
tender river
hello clippy, HOW is this a complex type please explain in great detail
sullen marsh
tender river
i'm starting to suspect humans need food to survive
scarlet arch
i'm starting to suspect humans need food to survive
Idk what you mean. I eat garbage and I'm doing just fine
tender river
if they made AI play starcraft surely this is doable
tight tinsel
ive seen the end to this story before, same messaging ui and everything...
stark needle
if they made AI play starcraft surely this is doable
they got demis hassabis' and david silver's ass working on that
tender river
should be light work for an ex googler
stark needle
should be light work for an ex googler <:NeuroClueless:1072901352902103100>
one of those was chess master by age 13 and the other has the ACM Prize in Computing
noble zodiac
but can the ai pull off an idra rage quit
tender river
it probably can if you give an LLM high-level control of it