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[frigid dust]

evil attack will catch up easily, not sure bout the hp

[south stream]

trust in defence

[ancient jay]

evil is catching up in attack but her health is like 10x further behind, does anyone understand why this changed? health was basically proportional to attack before

[deft root]

yeah i'm noticing

[willow dove]

Not a problem if she can attack first

[hybrid plume]

neuro has only 2.7x evil's atk
before stream it was 200x

[strong tapir]

oh damn AA and karaoke bar got nerfed

[lone jacinth]

but isn't it impossible to tell how we need to coordinate if we can't tell how things are going on the resource side of things?

[novel locust]

Oh but the rarity of karaoke bar was changed too

[hazy summit]

it's turning around

[gritty crystal]

they were pretty op

[glacial orchid]

It's part of the rng of the game, it's just luck that eco is balanced

[hard skiff]

twitch pls explain this
why are there 2 JP channal

[last hollow]

23 jp bros

[strong tapir]

language barrier

[ancient jay]

if health is based on any of the stats, it doesn't make sense to me that evil's health is so much smaller than neuro's

[chrome wagon]

hp = att* 5.85 * (faction === 'Evil' ? 0 : 1)

[novel locust]

You don't stockpile resources, you contribute them directly. You select both a resource and a building

[south stream]

[ancient jay]

okay, now look at their healths. it doesn't match

[lone jacinth]

dam

[strong tapir]

u sure?

[deft root]

whoa, evil's attack stat is closing in

[chrome wagon]

yeah hence the joke ^^

[novel locust]

That seemed to be how it worked yesterday, or what we assumed based on how vedal did it when he played

[hard skiff]

will this channel not be locked while sleeping

[willow dove]

HOLY CENTILLION

[vapid elm]

nope

[clever cradle]

evil is catching up like crazy

[glacial orchid]

Food is just there to let people build and put resources, just like real life

[strong tapir]

the pinned msg seems to be saying sth different,unless im reading it wrong you can only choose 1 job per round

[hybrid plume]

no that's Oc for octillion

[willow dove]

Then HOLY OCTILLION

[novel locust]

Poor phrasing; it's more to mean you don't have to spam !wood or !mine, or !build

[lone jacinth]

then why do both wood and the stuff we mined get increased at the same rate while we're building? if you could only contribute to one of them then wouldn't you assume they get built at different rates based on the amount of people building each?

[strong tapir]

ok that makes more sense

[novel locust]

I think you can change mid round

[hybrid plume]

1.65x

[last hollow]

what happend to food

[novel locust]

They do get desynced from time to time. We'll probably see less desync now that !split exists though

[severe plover]

evil slowly catching up

[jaunty flare]

You have unlocked new role

[willow dove]

Honestly, Evil's defense offsets the HP difference now that her attack is catching up

[chrome wagon]

Why is Evil burning through food?

[wooden elbow]

-#

[strong tapir]

what happened to food

[chrome wagon]

Is it actually used for recruiting? 😮

[south stream]

sorry i ate it all

[willow dove]

They both are

[twilit vigil]

maybe it does something now?

[last hollow]

pink lava lamp

[novel locust]

Wait wtf where did the food go

[ancient jay]

so... food is needed for something?

[hazy summit]

wait does food get used for recruits

[glacial orchid]

Yeah, I think it really is the state that let people work and build

[hazy summit]

we just never had any until now

[paper valley]

food and wins are different

[chrome wagon]

No Neuro goes up Evil down

[novel locust]

But...but we only recruited 2 guys ?

[hybrid plume]

food gone wtf

[glacial vector]

what decides the life reg? food?

[novel locust]

Did the two guys each have 500 billion food

[ancient jay]

evil needs like 3 or 4 times neuro's attack for her hp debuff to get balanced out and have a roughly even fight

[humble marsh]

ai slop got reworked so we adjusted down food so it's properly being used now instead of just haivng infinity food from slop

[hazy summit]

we've done a couple this round

[gritty crystal]

who ate all the food?

[willow dove]

Ah, didn't notice

[clever cradle]

There's a lot of evil players compared to Neuro

[brisk nacelle]

sorry

[novel locust]

The food didn't deplete until now though

[strong tapir]

guess im going split, apparently foods used for something huh

[chrome wagon]

Seems like it wanders to Neuro?

[humble marsh]

it did you just had so much from the old AI Slop it didnt look like it lol

[deft root]

wait

where'd teh food go

[willow dove]

Neuro gained a ton of defense, actually

[lone jacinth]

wasn't the desync because the cost for one of the sides was higher? the number in the progress bars are going up at the same rate, even if one of them lags behind in total progression

[last hollow]

need more miners in evil build 1

[chrome wagon]

So balancing was taking the things Evil has and redistributing them to Neuro

[vapid elm]

smh those gluttons ate all their food

[novel locust]

[strong tapir]

yeah how did neuro suddenly get so much def and evil has some atk now

[novel locust]

Shit. Guess we actually have to farm now

[frigid dust]

that'd be fair if the biggest amount of people consume more food

[lone jacinth]

so food is going down

[last hollow]

food is going down

[wanton pewter]

27-1

[hazy summit]

evil team still doesn't have too, we just steal from neuro

[hybrid plume]

im pretty sure evil got a lot more atk for free tho

[willow dove]

But if Evil catches up in attack, things will be interesting again. Evil's HP is catching up now, too.

[last hollow]

food depreciation

[lone jacinth]

quick we need a food event to steel more and try to starve them out

[humble marsh]

food drain is based on the activity level of a side, more people = more drain, but if people afk their drain rate also goes down substantially

[novel locust]

They don't have enough food to steal though

[acoustic drift]

She did it

[chrome wagon]

nah we have been building tons of atk buildings

[last hollow]

we need that lava lamp

[glacial orchid]

Neuro is fine on food cause there are little people

[lone jacinth]

the god of rng has blessed us

[ancient jay]

food drains, but what does it actually do?

[chrome wagon]

at this point I feel like it's just a bunch of random functions adding/removing stuff and we are all just played for laughs xD

[lone jacinth]

no idea still

[last hollow]

neuro is getting closer to evil defense

[hybrid plume]

oh ok

[glacial orchid]

Support building

[brisk nacelle]

Suddenly, both twins have similar stats but hp

[novel locust]

The true minigame is us figuring out each day's changes. If we win we lose hours of lives we're never getting back

[south stream]

idk Evil had almost 1mil food and its went all away for nothing it seams

[lone jacinth]

still pretty sure def is worthless just by looking at the atk numbers

[vapid elm]

evil after consuming all her food at once

[deft root]

it did seem to matter a little bit for a few combats for evil surviving longer

[ancient jay]

I can't see any reason that neuro has 20 times evil's hp when all the stats are so close

[chrome wagon]

Is all of Neuro's team farming or why is food shooting up so fast for her?

[strong tapir]

idk evil tanked 3 hits last round, i dont think its just a flat reduction surely

[lone jacinth]

maybe if you hit 1mil food then you get the chance to starve out the opponent

[strong tapir]

its gotta have some nonlinear interaction with how dmg is calced

[lone jacinth]

I think that's because of her hp, not def right?

[chrome wagon]

And Evil chose to starve herself instead? 😄

[glacial orchid]

They reduced to about the same amount tho

[hazy summit]

were there health specific boosting build, I can't remember seeing one but that might be it?

[south stream]

fat-sama with all those hp

[hybrid plume]

wait the victory counter got fixed too

[deft root]

if it was just hp, she would've died after 2 hits

not 4

[novel locust]

I'm guessing it's prolly because of HP increasing as stats increasing but not decreasing when stats are decreased (via door factory, wheel of fate, so and so forth)

[strong tapir]

how much hp did she have last round i didnt see

[last hollow]

27 victorys 😭 😭 😭

[alpine marlin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1067638175478071307/1192462360250683464/neuro-chad.gif

[lone jacinth]

I didn't either sorry

[chrome wagon]

Maybe Vedal is manually adjusting the values right now? To get them close to the same?

So hp will be next to be fixed?

[glacial orchid]

I think its slowly resetting

[lone jacinth]

wow evil's catching up in hp

[novel locust]

I do want to recruit an engineer

[ancient jay]

yeah maybe, i would need to rewatch it because i didn't notice the point that they became disproportional

[lone jacinth]

only 30 times now

[last hollow]

need that engineers

[deft root]

doubt, all the attack gains evil has gotten on her own

[hazy summit]

the wins were wrong from the start, now it is correct

[strong tapir]

yeah they almost have the same atk now

wth

[lone jacinth]

we can't change our actions because they lock in your first one each round

[strong tapir]

a day's worth of atk / def advantages, gone just like that?

sus

[alpine marlin]

focus on the events neuro team

[novel locust]

Evil may actually have a chance once her HP catches up

[hybrid plume]

1.35x in atk
it's crazy

[wanton pewter]

evil got 2 legendary build

[novel locust]

Engineer is a special event. Also I think you can change the role, it's just that you don't need to spam

[humble marsh]

is the chat gonna riot if I adjust neuro's hp for fairness since yesterday's scaling issues has kinda made her perma ahead (she has about ~8-10x more hp than she should)

[last hollow]

double karaoke

[ancient jay]

neuro still has a 40x advantage with her hp and attack rn

[novel locust]

As someone on team evil I have no complaints

[south stream]

would be fair i think

[deft root]

karaoke bars on evil's side now

[frigid dust]

once evil goes ahead she'll never lose

[deft root]

hmmmm

[novel locust]

Also are you a dev on this thing . Can you actually definitely explain how all this shit works so we can stop getting confused about it

[hybrid plume]

yh that's the other issue

[glacial vector]

what does food do

[last hollow]

another karaoke

[lone jacinth]

I agree with that one guy

[strong tapir]

itll make it fair ive no complaints

[hazy summit]

would be fair, but i believe we can catch up

[willow dove]

Well damn, this round is actually gonna be interesting

[flint vapor]

Why not reset the whole thing

[humble marsh]

the way the health scales i dont think you'd ever catch up atm lol

[vapid elm]

I mean I say it should be reset at the start of every offline segment

[ancient jay]

yeah it's still unwinnable for evil

[acoustic drift]

3 karaokes back to back

[last hollow]

nah, neuro needs like 4 hits to kill evil and evil needs like 20 hits

[hollow kernel]

GM neurons. I heard the rumors that Neuro got new outfit. Is it true?

[deft root]

we just got 4 karaokes

lets see what happens

[alpine marlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1452069761512112159/copy_CFBD3ED9-4A88-4341-B0AF-2450399B6EE7.gif

[strong tapir]

cyberpunk princess!

[novel locust]

YEP

[humble marsh]

vedal wanted to keep it persistent but i can ask again

[strong tapir]

neuroSoCute

[novel locust]

hesRight it's Vadul's fault

[glacial orchid]

Neuro got three different rarities of attack lol

[humble marsh]

there's many things in place now that will help keep things balanced though, so a reset shouldnt be needed

[hazy summit]

also are you able to explain how it all works, or is it supposed to be secret

[humble marsh]

if i fix the neuro health xd

[hollow kernel]

Yeepee

[willow dove]

If it were me, I would've just reset it with the difference in stats, and it only being the first day.

[humble marsh]

somewhat but i can explain basic stuff

[south stream]

so does that mean we can blame Vedal again? nice

[hybrid plume]

thanks for your work

[hazy summit]

food?

[vapid elm]

well fix the health for now then I guess, if you need to do that to fully balance it

[lone jacinth]

Wow evil's almost caught up in atk

[glacial vector]

what does food do and how does health scale

[last hollow]

bro neuro buildings

[hollow sable]

source code plz

[willow dove]

Did Neuro's attack just go down?

[humble marsh]

food is a passive drain, it's a maintenance value, you'll see what happens if it ever hits zero (it's not terrible but you want to stay above 0)

[novel locust]

Can you change your job mid-round?

[deft root]

they're basically even in attack now

[lone jacinth]

ah so starving them out is a real strat

[vapid elm]

the team starves and chatters start getting banned

[last hollow]

I can change the build that I am focusing?

[novel locust]

!supply xdx

[hazy summit]

finally

[brisk nacelle]

I noticed that Evil got much better luck after losing a round, is it a part of the balance?

[willow dove]

EVIL OVERTOOK ATTACK

[novel locust]

EVIL IS READY TO KILL

[hybrid plume]

history has been made

[gritty crystal]

the starve strat exists now?

[frosty geyser]

She's starting to believe

[ocean sage]

we are spamming now with all these karaoke bars

[lone jacinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1415890542080032788/1418822804350046259/EvilNeuroCINEMA.gif

[umbral plume]

i don't like the engineer event...
i'm myself am one but i can't for fucks sake type it right, without taking a minute

[last hollow]

don't worry with neuro 3 attack buildings

[strong tapir]

neuro still has like 10 times more health

[ancient jay]

so yeah if its balanced so that scaling keeps their attack and defence roughly the same, then neuro having a 10x health boost means neuro just wins forever still right?

[willow dove]

I'm team Evil though, lol

[hybrid plume]

is ok i believe in eliv

[lone jacinth]

copy and past from some other person in chat, that's what I do

[humble marsh]

health scales equally with attack, defense is supposed to scale block chance but as people pointed out it falls behind quickly due to all the def reductions

[novel locust]

Dw the dev is working on it

[south stream]

[gritty crystal]

if your on pc you can just press up if its something you already typed

[humble marsh]

no, just pure rng

[last hollow]

another neural rift bro

[hazy summit]

is split between mine, wood and farm, or just mine and wood?

[chrome wagon]

we just got hp

what was the reason? XD

[vapid elm]

you can still build while locked into a role right? or is building also considered a role

[willow dove]

Evil's only problem right now is HP, though

[novel locust]

It's time chat xdx

[strong tapir]

its not rigged!? yesterday's rounds mustve been a statistical anomaly

[deft root]

karaoke bar buffs coming into play

[brisk nacelle]

ngl balance patch notes are the most interesting thing rn

[acoustic drift]

[novel locust]

Anti-dream luck

[humble marsh]

yes, using !join will put you on a team for the whole stream. !mine/wood/farm/split will give you a role until the next battle that determines what you generate (it can be changed), !build will determine which building you target with your resources (!split overrides this)

you do not need to spam those commands for them to have full value

[vapid elm]

live patch notes

[willow dove]

Genuinely interested to see how this round goes

[humble marsh]

split distributes your resources between wood/stone and across all 3 buildings. it does not generate food

[lone jacinth]

wait so it's not pooled?

damit all

[strong tapir]

ohhh

i see

[novel locust]

Oh wait, !split is for buildings and not resources?

[orchid rock]

both

[hollow sable]

what happens if one building is full of a resource?

[humble marsh]

yes, !build picks the target of your generation from !mine/wood/farm

er, not farm

but the other two

[hybrid plume]

someone should pin this somewhere

[novel locust]

So basically you do !split if you want to go afk

[ancient jay]

okay that was very misleading in the pinned message, it seemed to suggest you were locked in to wood or stone for the whole round (as in couldn't change it)

[glacial orchid]

HP scaling got reduced

[last hollow]

ummm split strategy?

[humble marsh]

the resources are wasted (coordinate properly)

[brisk nacelle]

oh shit

wait

[strong tapir]

omg

shes living

[chrome wagon]

the gray + attack building gabe hp instead....

[novel locust]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

[brisk nacelle]

there is an acutal fight

[deft root]

actual fightr for once

damn

[hybrid plume]

fight is lasting more than 10 seconds omg

[humble marsh]

why is evil 2x ahead on attack now lmao

[lone jacinth]

IT'S A REAL FIGHT

I USED TO PRAY FOR TIMES LIKE THIS

[glacial vector]

I can see her HP decreasing, noway

[vapid elm]

neuro still has way too much health though

[chrome wagon]

not really... neuro has 10x her health

[hazy summit]

locked in

[last hollow]

tank vs mosquito ahhh health

[glacial orchid]

Neuro still tanks

[quartz spear]

Has anyone else noticed vedals channel not showing up anywhere on the followed channels bar? Ive open a raw twitch tab 3 times since the subathon started and he is never there. i have to actually search his channel.

[gritty crystal]

no one shot

[south stream]

Neuros HP is still way too high

[novel locust]

WE'VE UPGRADED FROM CUTSCENE DEATH TO "Unwinnable" BOSS FIGHT

[humble marsh]

after this clash im going to adjust neuro's health to be what it probably should be after i run some numbers

[vapid elm]

I think this fight proves it's needed

[chrome wagon]

well... better way to late than never...

[quartz spear]

[hidden turtle]

why ddoess the hp change

[novel locust]

🧎‍♂️ minigame dev

[gentle valve]

Is HP still multiplied attack?

[deft root]

actual notable damage this time

[lost jackal]

That looked almost like a fight

[willow dove]

Definitely an improvement

[hybrid plume]

guys we made a dent

[glacial vector]

thanks for the explanations

[strong tapir]

some hits seem way higher than others,,,

[simple snow]

WE NEED FARMERS

[hidden turtle]

wait what's up w ith the trophy thing

[humble marsh]

trophy is historical wins

[deft root]

and another karaoke bar immediately

[willow dove]

That's just standard RPG mechanics

[last hollow]

@humble marsh I can do !build 1 to focus in building 1 and when the resource bar (wood or stone) is full I can change to !build [2-3] to accelerate the construction of the other buildings?

[brisk nacelle]

Game is actually getting fixed and farms are usable, good patch

[lone jacinth]

no we don't, we have way too much food already

[humble marsh]

turns out day 1 being a catastrope made neuro's quite high lol

[wooden elbow]

Dentge

[novel locust]

Well now we know how the game works.
Twitch frogs are still fucked tho

[simple snow]

BUT THEY HAVE MORE

[lone jacinth]

Who cares, just more stuff to steal

[humble marsh]

yes, !build just changes your target. if you were !build 1 then did !build 2 you will stop contributing to building 1 and start adding to building 2

[hazy summit]

proably need a command/pinned msg to explain

[simple snow]

Fair

[runic bough]

We may wanna start farming team neuro

[hollow sable]

does your command persist between rounds?

[frosty geyser]

Evil having the comeback underdog story is on brand anyway

[novel locust]

Are there any mods awake that can pin this

[glacial orchid]

So the job is the only thing fixed?

[hidden turtle]

elivmyqueen

[last hollow]

ok! thank you

[ancient jay]

hmm. i still think it's not ideal that the only stat that matters, attack, is entirely rng dependent. so the interaction is kind of an illusion of choice, the outcomes are just rng. regardless of whether evil overtakes now by luck.

[lone jacinth]

this has always been rng simulator

[hybrid plume]

i think it's fine overall

[willow dove]

Playing the long game, it honestly suits her.

[novel locust]

Well, we can't make it too complicated. It's still a minigame for vod watchers

[ancient jay]

i feel like there's a way you can make the interaction, like choosing what to build, actually matter

[vapid elm]

I mean yeah it'll always be pure luck but if it can be made more balanced then it's fine

[runic bough]

We need to do some more swarm gaming events, test server proved they worked well and the 24h server turned out okay in the end after a bumpy start

[harsh mica]

yall vedal just switched his mic and it became cyberpunk 1977

[runic bough]

Main issue with the mc server was just the logistical bottleneck

[hybrid plume]

@humble marsh im curious, how does block chance scale with def / work exactly ?

[strong tapir]

today's building rng seems better than ytd's

[humble marsh]

• !join (team) will put you on either side. this does not reset except for when the night ends.
• !mine/wood/farm/split will give your profile a "role" which determines what you generate for your team. !mine/!wood will depend on !build, but !farm/!split will work regardless of what you use for !build. this resets after each battle
• !build [1-3] determines which building you're pooling resources from !mine/!wood into, this also resets after each battle

[novel locust]

I think you're a few hours behind

[hazy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/internet-explorer-gif-24879124

[harsh mica]

im watching the vod dumbass

[humble marsh]

poorly at the moment xdd

[hybrid plume]

alr ig lol

[willow dove]

Can this be pinned?

[gritty crystal]

vod watcher

[paper valley]

so you are behind a few hours LULE

[lone jacinth]

can this be pinned?

[last hollow]

you can change you job mid game or need to wait until the battle begging?

[novel locust]

Not for long. EMP pulse go

[humble marsh]

the problem with trying to fix defense it's entirely possible in my testing for defense to scale past attack and then clashes start taking like 15mins+

[harsh mica]

i was hanging out with a friend today like a regular person

[remote drum]

I just saw the "🗣️ SAMURAIII" clip

[willow dove]

SAMURAI!!!

[remote drum]

the peaking

[worn jackal]

Neurocord user having a life huh???

[hybrid plume]

ah yh i see the issue lol

[strong tapir]

is it possible give each atk a minimum % of max hp as dmg?

[harsh mica]

more likely than you think

[willow dove]

The Kitty headphones gave Evil a boost

[novel locust]

Mods are all asleep no rules yippee!

[ancient jay]

yeah i mean, ideally there would be a way that it matters regardless of how many orders of magnitude different it is from attack, but that would be changing the mechanics of battling

[acoustic drift]

gross

[hazy summit]

is it hard to test locally with custom stats? to see how long it would take

[worn jackal]

Tbf I bascially have a life except for subathon time. Since it's the only time I can watch it live

[hybrid plume]

isnt it possible to add def shred with each turn to avoid this tho ?

[last hollow]

.

[novel locust]

Holy shit evil has double neuro's attack now

[humble marsh]

no i can modify stats the same way i changed food and wins, but the problem is exponential scaling makes it hard to get right

[novel locust]

You can change mid game

[humble marsh]

i can look at reworking it but ultimately like someone said this is mostly a 4fun lil minigame for offline watchers

[hybrid plume]

tru

[humble marsh]

as long as the battles dont just 1 shot and snowball its doing "okay"

[hybrid plume]

still funi game tho

[ocean sage]

yeah last round did us good because of all those karaoke bars, we were spamming buildings at the end

[hazy summit]

i see, but honestly with the hp fix i think it will be balanced, for now

[paper valley]

my only problem with this game is that its so fucking small LULE i have problem reading some of the text in there

[last hollow]

how many legendary buildings are?

[hybrid plume]

yh it's looking fine for now at least

[novel locust]

We are a swarm of bees, it's sized well for us

[humble marsh]

also another thing, there is an AFK mechanic. if you dont set a role after a battle you'll enter a "no role" mode where you equally contribute to all things (like !split) but you'll generate 40% less resources. if you're AFK two battles in a row you generate 70% less resources and it stays this way until the night ends. everything scales down as afk numbers increase though

[lone jacinth]

Wow evil overtook by almost double now

[brisk nacelle]

the browser version would be great

[humble marsh]

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaah there's not much space to work with i tried my best lmao

[frigid dust]

even on 21' pretty unreadable yea

[lone jacinth]

*by more than double now

[hazy summit]

does this imply builds cost more, the more active members you have?

[novel locust]

Surely vedal can just resize the vod and move juuuust a little bit to make room right

[glacial orchid]

Damn, so that's why Neuro is a bit slow now

All I can see is evil side

[humble marsh]

building costs scale with the same factor, though, which is why as people see the evil buildings costed more

[frigid dust]

evill will have roughly x400 neuro atack by tmr

[lone jacinth]

wait is evil going to destroy the next battle?

[humble marsh]

health has been adjusted on neuro now

[ocean sage]

yep, neuro is done

[last hollow]

good

[novel locust]

[lone jacinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1415890542080032788/1418822804350046259/EvilNeuroCINEMA.gif

[humble marsh]

i will say the evil side being biased for events is gonna make her start being crazy too long-term xd

[brisk nacelle]

wait, how is Evil so ahead now?

[humble marsh]

there was a "catchup" mechanic implemented to help anti-snowballing

[novel locust]

It's time for evil to finally get her payback

[tacit crystal]

GN chat

[strong tapir]

now neuro needs help

[lone jacinth]

neuro lost her 10x health buff

[willow dove]

Even as an Evil fan, I'm raising an eyebrow at Neuro's HP nerf

[ocean sage]

well its only deserved, we win like every event and stuff, so ...

[chrome wagon]

So being afk in a team slows the team by raising prices?

[hazy summit]

it seemed to work quite well last night

[frosty geyser]

has arrived

[alpine marlin]

smh imagine nerfing neuro's hp

[paper valley]

moving neuro a little bit to the right could make some space, but i think it needs to be like this to make room for both twins sleeping at a same time

[humble marsh]

(it wasnt in place last night lol)

[deft root]

the only stat evil is behind in (by a lot) is hp

oh wait

[glacial orchid]

It got fixed

[humble marsh]

not anymore

[deft root]

nvm

[novel locust]

Just fuse them lol

[ocean sage]

look again

[lone jacinth]

evil's gonna shred

[alpine marlin]

complaining works

[clever cradle]

imo just keep Neuro hp, at this rate evil will shred Neuro in a few rounds

[strong tapir]

merge them into one supreme being and have them fight vedal and chat as a raid boss

[glacial orchid]

Neuro does have water bucket

[hidden turtle]

eliv my queen

[lost jackal]

ElivMyQueen

[hybrid plume]

evil first win after 28 loss streak incoming

[lone jacinth]

so how many will bow down to the two of them among us do you guess?

[hidden turtle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1451179980170985512/petpet.gif

petpet evil

[glacial vector]

I have to be so careful to not accidentally write the commands here

[deft root]

a few

i think it's happening this round actually lol

[willow dove]

I don't want Evil to shred though, I want an interesting fight.

[clever cradle]

Yeah I noticed that Neuro hp is fixed back to normal

[strong tapir]

idk but imma fight them

[novel locust]

We're eventually gonna too many recruits to feed and then our greed will be our downfall . Prolly idk depends how bad the 0 food event is

[glacial orchid]

Cant help it, Neuro side is sleeping

[humble marsh]

evil reverse sweep inc

[lone jacinth]

but at least one win though deal?

[novel locust]

Give evil one one-shot battle and then rebalance it

[paper valley]

its still 28 wins for neuro vs 1 win for evil, get evil some wins, then make other balance changes to make things fair LULE

[rocky quarry]

dude, i was away like 10 mins and evil just went past neuro by so much wtf

[glacial vector]

it will be interesting after we get 27 more trophies

[humble marsh]

afks generate food so it's probably less a problem than you expect

[clever cradle]

Neuro recruited 0 and Evil recruited 2 this is crazy

[deft root]

once evil gets 27 more wins

[last hollow]

Why don't we start from scratch with all the "fixes"?

[deft root]

though i might switch sides

[ocean sage]

now everyone will complain that neuro is too weak^^, but we have more people, so more ressources, and kinda all events, so its just fair, it was just unbalanced at the start

[willow dove]

Speaking of, what happened to those? There were more earlier.

[humble marsh]

bro i nerfed the recruitment cost by 95% and its still only like 2-5 recruits per event

[deft root]

mainly was with evil to ty and help catch up

[hazy summit]

in conclusion food was still useless

[ancient jay]

I think we need to wait and see how the catch-up mechanics play out. Otherwise it will still mostly play out like a random walk I think, almost exclusively governed by rng

[novel locust]

Ved wanted it to be persistent apparently

Blame Vadul

[humble marsh]

i think big number fun too tbh

[acoustic drift]

I want Evil to absolutely destroy everything in the first 27 fights, then we can get some really close ones

[humble marsh]

you could argue to reset wins and not stats to keep number big but

this just enables her reverse sweep arc

[glacial orchid]

I think people should be balanced too

[rocky quarry]

only evil side is active

[hidden turtle]

om

[glacial orchid]

Fr

[lone jacinth]

neuro side just gave up on events

[cobalt orchid]

she needs it

[hidden turtle]

we need to win!!!

[hybrid plume]

nerf the swarm smh

[remote drum]

freaky ahh day

[humble marsh]

(this is perfectly ok for a little side adventure on offline streams imo)

[chrome wagon]

276 Neuro members not joining in SMH

[rocky quarry]

vedal lmao

[lone jacinth]

afk's are counted there though

[clever cradle]

even vedal is joining neuro now

[deft root]

i might join neuro's side after this round or next

[last hollow]

it's over

[glacial orchid]

Hahahhahahah

[novel locust]

classic vedal

[clever cradle]

Bro saw how the balancing might cook Neuro hard after this

[chrome wagon]

was more of a joke 😛

[lone jacinth]

Should we be scared?

[ancient jay]

Evil's most powerful ability, loses every round, pity baits into popularity

[hazy summit]

this is where it all went wrong yesterday

[strong tapir]

blame vedal

[willow dove]

Vedal's mining wood, I see

[wanton pewter]

the join the battle

[gritty crystal]

Was this yesterday or today?

[lone jacinth]

this just happened

[gritty crystal]

Oh

[novel locust]

If we let her lose she's gonna be talking about how no one loves her for the next 6 months

[acoustic drift]

right now

[cobalt moat]

birthday flashbacks

[novel locust]

I hear he's quite knowledgeable about planks

[glacial vector]

can I have the completely useless mechanic to sacrifice my own gathering/building to sabotage another specific player please?

[hazy summit]

i know, i'm saying after vedal joined yestday, evil started to get streamrolled

[lone jacinth]

then she'll win next year

[strong tapir]

does vedal have vip privilages

[paper valley]

everyone loves a good underdog story LULE

[last hollow]

Any resemblance to reality is purely coincidental

[ocean sage]

we were more active from the start tho LUL

[sour mirage]

Nah, Neuro is cooked for eternity now lol gn chat

[deft root]

wait

where'd evil's attack go

[gentle valve]

like !unjoin user

[deft root]

did it overflow?

[chrome wagon]

where it belongs.

[lone jacinth]

don't jinx us goddamit alo gn

[humble marsh]

what the

[last hollow]

is right here bro

[willow dove]

Look at it closer, 0Oc

[humble marsh]

oh

[jaunty flare]

You have unlocked new role

[humble marsh]

i thought it actually overflowed

but i forgot neuro's just behind now

[clever cradle]

396OC vs 1210OC

[humble marsh]

[deft root]

wait

[humble marsh]

made me panic a second

[clever cradle]

You need to differentiate between 0 and O

[deft root]

i thought neuro's was higher

[novel locust]

Instead of generating resources you keep a chatter timed out xdx

[glacial orchid]

Did Neuro stole?

[deft root]

maybe i misrmembered

[strong tapir]

can we have a space between the numbers and the suffix its kinda hard to read

[willow dove]

We don't know what happened, tbh

[wooden elbow]

[humble marsh]

itll fix itself when the suffix isn't an O-first one lol

[ancient jay]

this is why we have standard form, just say x10^27 for octillion no?

[humble marsh]

you'll get scientific notation eventually

it just probably wont happen till later in the subathon

[hybrid plume]

that's boring tho

[hollow sable]

just use scientific notation once you go over giga or something

[glacial vector]

but it doesnt look as satisfying

[novel locust]

I read that as "it probably won't happen this subathon"

[last hollow]

@humble marsh how is stored the number values?

[humble marsh]

[strong tapir]

whats fun about remembering what octillion means, scientific notation for the win

[humble marsh]

javascript numbers store surprisingly high values

[strong tapir]

literally reads like ancient runes

[novel locust]

Holy we've got those idle game type suffixes going now

[humble marsh]

in testing they only posed an issue at equivalently like 1e+309 or so

[hybrid plume]

damn, i wanted to see an overflow but it's gonna take forever now lol

[ancient jay]

only going up to quadragintillion before giving up smh

[novel locust]

We can make it happen we just need to make sure the subathon never ends

[lone jacinth]

Evil with just causally 5x-ing neuro after losing 28 rounds in a row

[humble marsh]

at a certain point i thought itd be a fun moment when it ticks from a suffix into scientific notation lmao

[deft root]

are we about to see the neuro getting one shot arc

[humble marsh]

how many water buckets did neuro get that she never used in her 27 wins yesterday tho

[frosty geyser]

Neuro saw Johnny Silverhand wasn't in this game and checked out

[glacial orchid]

I think 1

[novel locust]

REVERSE SWEEP GIGAEVIL

[lone jacinth]

oh my god I forgot

[novel locust]

Wait what are the water buckets? I wasn't around for those

[glacial orchid]

Hahahahhaah

[lone jacinth]

but surely hp should be the deciding factor here though\

[gentle valve]

Are they persist?

[humble marsh]

oh right they wouldnt persist overnight

[lone jacinth]

each makes her live a fatal hit

[humble marsh]

unlucky

[last hollow]

@humble marsh sorry for the ping, you can change your job mid game or need to wait to the battle for the reset?

[humble marsh]

you can yes

[novel locust]

Got damn. Does she heal or is just damage null

[lone jacinth]

We still didn't pin the message I see

[strong tapir]

3 fatal hits iirc

[humble marsh]

nothing in this game is locked in at all

[glacial orchid]

Each one gives her 3 immunities to fatal damage

[novel locust]

Mods: this bed is comfortable, I'll stay~

[lone jacinth]

I have no idea, neuro never got even close to low hp last night

[clever cradle]

How do you guys see the water buckets

[severe plover]

HOLY evil so buffed now

[novel locust]

You don't see them because I drank them all. Sorry

[hybrid plume]

even the neuro/evil teams ?

[humble marsh]

you don't (translation: didnt want to clutter the UI more)

[humble marsh]

yep you can swap whenever

[hybrid plume]

oh cool i didnt know that

[humble marsh]

please dont make it any more skewed though

[hybrid plume]

lol dw

[hidden turtle]

elivmyqueen!

[novel locust]

Chat everyone join team evil right now

[brisk nacelle]

the difference before Evil caught up was huge, and she was still not one-shot after the balance patch, so I doubt we will see any one-shots

[humble marsh]

im already getting scared at the growing lead evil's getting because of the sheer number of people dominating her events lmao

[lone jacinth]

I think some people are here purely to be on the underdog side

[wispy canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1358742393767202919/twins_popcorn.gif

[paper valley]

Lets go jerry! you can do it

[last hollow]

well look at the stream chat overlay

[humble marsh]

im gonna wake up and vedal's gonna link me an image of evil being 400x ahead this time

[last hollow]

most of them are evil side

[viscid nymph]

Evil fans right now

[hexed holly]

Maybe Evil deserves a night to rebalance the win ratio but she seems a bit overtuned

[humble marsh]

(that hopefully shouldnt be possible with the subtle catchup stuff)

to be fair

[strong tapir]

evil's atk is almost neuros hp now

[chrome wagon]

the wheel is giving me ptsd....

[alpine marlin]

real

[novel locust]

Vod neuro HATES crelly

[humble marsh]

this time the side's op because all the active people are on her side rather than my bad number tuning

[lone jacinth]

oh so we're gonna get destroyed next round then?

[humble marsh]

no

[glacial orchid]

Neuro on the first session

[novel locust]

So basically it's a skill issue for neuro team

[lone jacinth]

is this going to be a seesaw situation?

[strong tapir]

balance is an illusion

[humble marsh]

the catchup stuff is subtle literally, it's happening even now

not based on match win/loss

[glacial vector]

[willow dove]

It's time

[novel locust]

Battle time battle time battle time

[alpine marlin]

good balance, good job

[acoustic drift]

[glacial vector]

[severe plover]

finally

[south stream]

[humble marsh]

if it wasnt active i'd wager evil would be like 20x ahead right now

[novel locust]

ONE SHOT

[burnt star]

[strong tapir]

NAHHHH'

[willow dove]

ONE SHOT

[deft root]

so... about that...

[hybrid plume]

one shot

[brisk nacelle]

never mind

[novel locust]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[hazy summit]

2ND WIN LETS GOOO

[frosty geyser]

[hidden turtle]

GIGAEVIL

[jaunty peak]

Gigaevil

[severe plover]

26 more wins to go

[strong tapir]

the game is cooked

[willow dove]

Now we know Neuro doesn't always attack first

[chrome wagon]

I looked away for a moment

[lone jacinth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1387542289823432844/1387542290100125736/Evil-BOOM.gif

[glacial orchid]

Hahahhaaha

[hollow kernel]

Signature moment

[ivory linden]

GIGAEVIL LETSGO

[ancient jay]

when it got to the early morning / late night the events seemed a little more balanced in terms of neuro vs evil, but it might still be pretty cooked for now

[humble marsh]

what ive learned is that evil fans are powerful

[covert matrix]

alright, who's ready to pivot to neuro

[hybrid plume]

she did attack first here but yh she doesnt always

[brisk nacelle]

I ain't predicting shit anymore

[willow dove]

Oh, I must've missed it

[humble marsh]

the first attack is random

[novel locust]

#livestream-chat message cloudburst can you pin this

[deft root]

this was true even last night. sometimes evil would get off an attack that did 0 damage before getting one shot

[strong tapir]

i might go to neuro after the wins are equal

[rough oxide]

Can someone explain or link me what the war is/ how it works? I can't find anything

[ocean sage]

i guess its pretty balanced now, just the more people and resources show now, because of that

[lone jacinth]

mods still sleeping

[willow dove]

It's more "Evil caught up and surpassed, tbh. Definitely still not balanced.

[ancient jay]

but anyway, because neuro won the first couple rounds today, it will still take all night and some of the next night for evil to make a comeback even if it's maximally broken in evil's favour

[novel locust]

Cloudburst is resistant to getting one guyed, help

[lone jacinth]

I see you define 27 as a 'couple'

[ocean sage]

yeah because the broken things from before got removed

[hazy summit]

the game design is now balanced, just not the game because of active ammount of players on each side

[strong tapir]

but by the end of that it might be so much in evil's favor that its irrecoverable for neuro

[brisk nacelle]

This is some Riot Games balancing

[hidden turtle]

its not balanced because of this

[strong tapir]

maybe ill join neuro at 28-17 or sth

[timid jolt]

Holy crap just tuned in, Neuro is getting creamed

[hybrid plume]

i mean if team evil stays the most active it kinda looks like evil's gonna be the one winning forever now

[chrome wagon]

I see no issue there... wdym?

[silver zephyr]

Who says neuro is the favorite twin, evil has double the player’s holy

[frigid dust]

people underestimate exponential if neuro was 400x ahead evil will be 40000x ahead

[rough oxide]

Is the evil pirate thing how you know if you are on team Evil?

[ancient jay]

depends when the next balance patch happens. if it happens tomorrow, evil doesn't have time to catch up even if it's completely unwinnable for neuro tonight

[hidden turtle]

the icon next to the name in the stream chat

[novel locust]

If your name has the evil icon in chat

[hazy summit]

vedals favorite twin, chat definitely like evil more

[chrome wagon]

Both are, Evil is just so much better at pity baiting 😂

[lone jacinth]

tbf she was on that 28 winning streak

[humble marsh]

if there's anything gigantic i will adjust values accordingly

[timid jolt]

Vedal joined neuros team last night XD

[deft root]

the wins will probs end up being very close to even after tonight

[hexed holly]

Hearts on stream, youre probably looking at the sub badges in twitch chat

[hazy summit]

and today

[willow dove]

Found it! https://youtu.be/MNf1yD2oLC0?si=Kz6CBUshoihMwp6S

[glacial vector]

We are even in wins in 13 hours

[novel locust]

Well as fun as this has been my wrists hurt so I'm gonna dip. Have fun guys! And and try to get the updated instructions pinned if a mod wakes up

[ocean sage]

if you win every event and got more players behind you, of course you will win, if its balanced, i see no problem here

[lost jackal]

What the hell happened with 's HP, I looked away for like 30 minutes

[humble marsh]

the scaling is exponential but the built-in catchup stuff should stop leads from last night from happening again, but it won't stop evil from being relatively dominant if people make evil win every event

[ancient jay]

it'll be close, evil will almost catch up tonight (i think she'll be a couple down) if she wins every round from now on

[lone jacinth]

we'll do our best

[timid jolt]

It's swarm vs swarm. Both are extreamly devoted

[ocean sage]

well and we had many karaoke bars, to be fair

[strong tapir]

💜 ❤️

[willow dove]

While wearing an Evil shirt, so that's interesting

[deft root]

makes up for that huge amount of karaoke bars neuro's side got yesterday that let them scale to the stratosphere

[ocean sage]

yep

[hybrid plume]

maybe karaoke bars chance increases with how below you are now

[willow dove]

He said he was wearing an unreleased Evil shirt last night.

[lone jacinth]

wasn't karaoke bars nerfed today?

[timid jolt]

that would be cool

[last hollow]

and Abandoned Archive

[deft root]

they give less but their rarity was also lowered

[ocean sage]

yes but 20% is still much

[hazy summit]

he wanted to flex he has merch that we don't

[silver hare]

What !split do ?

[silver zephyr]

Holy 20x attack

[hazy summit]

build all resources across all builds

[chrome wagon]

I bet he also has the Neuro toilet

[silver hare]

ahh

[willow dove]

Still a funny idea that Evil planned for this very specific moment when she bought the Kitty headphones.

[last hollow]

split your resources generation between all the 3 buildings

[rough oxide]

Holy heck, I am dumb AF. You guys meant on the stream chat on screen, not my chat. Derp

It is working XD

[wooden nest]

[hazy summit]

unironically maybe if juniper decided to make a few as a test

[timid jolt]

It does look like food went down, so I guess it does get used up

[timid jolt]

He would have trashed them, that's how much he hates them

[brisk nacelle]

man, I'm still not over the cyberpunk costume

[chrome wagon]

I still wish he would have greenlit the demoed keychain toilet

[lone jacinth]

it all got deleted on both sides after evil's side hit a million

[hybrid plume]

i think it got reset, it was in the hundreds a short while ago

[deft root]

i'm glad they didn't

[willow dove]

Still wondering, does anyone know if the shirts are unisex sizes?

[hazy summit]

can't believe he didn't, coming from the corpa tutle who said every man has a price

[chrome wagon]

The first batch was iirc. At least I accidentally bought a tent....^^;

[alpine marlin]

adorable

[deft root]

then he knew he was worth more than being brought as low as having a keychain with him being in a toilet

[umbral plume]

i did it. it worked

[strong tapir]

neuroSoCute indeed

[lone jacinth]

Nice nice

[chrome wagon]

wait... wasn't he on the toilet lid?

or did it close above him... xD

[deft root]

yep.

that's why i'm saying he knew he was worth more than that

[chrome wagon]

it was kinda cute though 😂

[hazy summit]

he would of sold so many as a joke

[timid jolt]

Do you think we could get them to realse the Neuro toilet pins if they need more subgoals?
On the one hand, Vedal hates them, on the other hand, I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that merch like that is mostly the work of others so it's not a big commitment on Vedal's time and it's already partially done.

[deft root]

yeah no not from me lol

[willow dove]

I totally make responsible adult financial decisions.

[hazy summit]

it's the secret sub goal after 100k

[hollow sable]

200k sub goal is neuro toilet

[umbral plume]

no worries, we all did... all for our overlords

[hazy summit]

plan is we break the hype train record, then in vedals lapse of judgement we get him to promise neuro toilet, like we did for chinatown mv

[willow dove]

But HOLY SHIPPING, THOUGH

I guess it's not that bad. It just looks bad because it's already quite a bit

[chrome wagon]

Yeah I'm kinda glad Evil merch is set to be released a little later.... And the figure too... Or I would have to struggle to explain that to my wallet.

[umbral plume]

shipping feels like the most gut punch on these

[ancient jay]

just don't cancel it this time vedal, please

[timid jolt]

Tarrifs make the shipping high

[willow dove]

Yeah I know

[chrome wagon]

Are tarrifs already in that? The text kinda was ambiguous about them.

[willow dove]

I still wish I could buy the original plushies, though. I normally don't collect things like this, though

[deft root]

$41 is quite a bit

[umbral plume]

we konw, but alternative is not having those.... sooo.. well...

[timid jolt]

Tarrifs are in the shipping I believe

[willow dove]

Also, THAT LAVA LAMP. Vedal's been pushing the lamp as if it's still on sale, a bit annoying, tbh.

[south stream]

I went on my phone just to see this in my notifications

[compact sapphire]

[frigid dust]

!felloff

[obsidian spindle]

[timid jolt]

That has GOT to be the Neuro tweets for him

[hazy summit]

he does not seem to be against brining them back at some point, when he talks about them at least

[glacial vector]

only ~9€ shipping in germany

[hybrid plume]

go to sleep

[frigid dust]

damn how come i have 17 for belgium

[umbral plume]

what? it was 30€ around my order

[chrome wagon]

The main issue is likely that he will have to meet the 4000 requirement again for the next batch.

[trim flint]

£15 in uk for 2 plush

[hazy summit]

But they'll need to fix this

[strong rain]

!bwaa

[obsidian spindle]

[glacial vector]

I tested it on only a single plush

[hazy summit]

True

[chrome wagon]

Not sure how much it was, but all around was ~170€ iirc.

[umbral plume]

ok then prbly cause i got both bundels.. so full sweep

[trim flint]

damn, can you see the yellow tint at all when its on?

[hazy summit]

yeah blue does not exist anymore

[timid jolt]

The yellow tint is pretty bad

[trim flint]

yea thats kind of a shame

[willow dove]

My wallet:

[chrome wagon]

I haven't noticed the tint ... but mine is yellow too... Now I can't unsee it...

[rocky quarry]

its , you just have to work more

[willow dove]

I already work full time, lol

[chrome wagon]

and eat less.... it's basically a diet plan for your new years resolution

[strong tapir]

there is no greater donation than one made in reverence to the twins

[lone jacinth]

yes evil, get that water bucket... let neuro's minions know the despair yours have felt for generations...

[humble marsh]

wall of text incoming consolidating all the stuff mentioned before about the minigame

offline minigame FAQ

what changed (12/22): #livestream-chat message
what changed (12/21): #livestream-chat message

• Q: What is food for?
  • A: Passive drain based on the activity of your team. Don't let it hit 0.
• Q: Can I change (role/team/build) mid-game?
  • A: Yes. You can swap team, role, or build target at any point
• Q: Can I do !build and !mine/wood/farm/split at the same time?
  • A: Yes-ish. See below for more info.
• Q: The events don't seem to count messages correctly?
  • A: Contributing has a 5 second cooldown. This includes neurotic clash.
• Q: Why do buildings cost different amounts for each team?
  • A: Building costs scale with the activity level of a team
• Q: What happens if people go AFK?
  • A: After each battle, players are put into a no-role "AFK" state. This reduces resource gen by 40% until a new role is set. If a player is AFK two battles in a row, they will generate 70% less resources. AFK players also act like !split and generate for all places.
  • Scaling factors like building cost will also treat these players as less than an active player

How do the commands work?

• !join (team) will pick a side
• !mine and !wood will generate for a building. Requires !build [1-3].
• !farm will farm food (the bread icon in the top bars)
• !split will farm both stone and wood and split it across all buildings. This effectively means you contribute at 1/6th effectiveness in 6 places, rather than 100% in one. You do not generate food in this mode.
• !build [1-3] will select the target for !mine and !wood.

Do I have to retype my commands?

• !join persists an entire night, but can be changed at any point.
• !build [1-3] is like !join and does not reset, but can be changed at any point.
• !mine / !wood / !farm / !split will reset after each battle. You will need to retype this after each battle. If you don't, you're flagged for AFK penalties (as detailed above)
• All event commands (including neurotic clash) can be repeated every 5 seconds during their window.

[chrome wagon]

I already start feeling bad.... xD

[gentle ridge]

[willow dove]

PINNNN

Pls, lol

[ancient jay]

karaoke bar for evil with 2 minutes to go, a modern classic

[lone jacinth]

where did that dink donk emote go

[lone jacinth]

YEESSSSS

THANK YOU VANI

[humble marsh]

ty vani

[willow dove]

Ty

[strong tapir]

finally, some clarity

[hidden turtle]

ty vanilla

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1451179980170985512/petpet.gif

[coarse leaf]

finally i know what the food means

[strong tapir]

ty ennukee and vani

[chrome wagon]

Now quick change a lot of things massively to make theorycrafting fun again!

[lone jacinth]

wow it's a real fight now

[humble marsh]

i can add new buildings and stuff but im hesitant because its my head rolling if it blows up one night

[strong tapir]

its kinda equal YES

[hidden turtle]

what about !attack and !defend, do we need to retype or spam those

[lone jacinth]

oh

[strong tapir]

o nvm om

[lone jacinth]

about that

[humble marsh]

yes they're the same as events, 5s cooldown

[chrome wagon]

probably... not tonight.. 🙁

[sudden whale]

So food still useless?

[ancient jay]

it's farily close now, neuro caught up a little that round

[humble marsh]

though neurotic clashes are substantially shorter window

[dry needle]

hi .

[hidden turtle]

awesome

[hidden turtle]

https://imgur.com/a/CO5Mscw

[hollow kernel]

Day XXX of loving Evil: Evil loves me

[humble marsh]

neuro's attack is catching up tho

[willow dove]

I was happy to see a few attacks had to be exchanged, yeah

[chrome wagon]

Team Neuro is a lot more present in chat now too.

[hidden turtle]

2 > 1

[ancient jay]

evil has an advantage while people are active enough to win events (specifically the one that buffs attack with recruits and the ones that give resources?). Otherwise I think it's mostly gonna be rng, and Evil got very lucky at the start of tonight

[coarse leaf]

if you dont mind me asking, do you know what caused neuro to get so ahead last night? i feel like probability wise it was crazy how one sided it became over time

[lone jacinth]

you say that but they failed to recruit 1 system admin

[chrome wagon]

but they failed less hard than before....

[humble marsh]

exponential scaling and the current systems to prevent snowballing not being in place

also the fact that evil kept getting defense buildings

[sudden whale]

Is hp still scale with atk

[humble marsh]

yeah

[lone jacinth]

it was depressing last night as an evil minion

[humble marsh]

that's by nature though to help prevent 1 shots

[sudden whale]

So the meta is still atk

[humble marsh]

keyword help, sometimes they still happen lmao

[silver zephyr]

Roles reversed now

[strong tapir]

i legit thought the probabilities were rigged

[coarse leaf]

this is the part im confused about, there comes a point where its so unlikely for the luck to be that different for the 2 teams that i thought something was seriously wrong but maybe it was just bad luck

[willow dove]

What adds more, huge or large attack boost?

[lone jacinth]

hey it's not like evil is 100x ahead

[humble marsh]

exponential scaling is scary (lesson learned)

[silver zephyr]

True

[willow dove]

The smirk on Neuro's face made last night even more diabolical

[humble marsh]

also the art that got made for this minigame is so GOOD

[hybrid plume]

i legit thought neuro had a luck buff for her bday but ig not

[coarse leaf]

but wouldnt the exponential scaling be the same for both teams? as in, after x number of buildings built for both teams the ratio of stats should still be the same, or am i forgetting something?

[lone jacinth]

no no no you're right about that, even if it wasn't intentional

[sudden whale]

Neuro just got lucky with end game build early

[jade ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/574737606668058649/1451673661399629986/ezgif-8686e489c7dca2be.gif

[humble marsh]

can think of it like this, if one team even got a slight error of margin lead that didnt average out over time, that lead will also scale exponentially

assume something like 320 attack vs. 220 attack, if you apply the same exact 5% atk buff 200 times to both

suddenly that 100 attack gap grew from 100 to 1.7M

it didnt help that recruitment events were uncompleteable and the pvp events gave basically 0 resources lol

also what ruined star said, neuro got several of the uh

abandoned archive? and door factory...?

early

[sudden whale]

There also reduce cost, and faster build is better if get earlier no? Its easier to snowball early vs getting them later

[humble marsh]

yeah

[lone jacinth]

the best strat we came up with was praying for about 150 food stealing events in a row for the smallest chance at it being an auto win(we had no idea what food even did at the time)

[humble marsh]

there was consideration about consuming food at battle start and converting it to hp

but that was a tuning nightmare with old ai slop

may the spammable 10k food rest in peace

[sudden whale]

I hope there is a starve animation

[lone jacinth]

oh that would be sick

[silver zephyr]

So what does food do?

[humble marsh]

get ready im gonna prep a build for the 1 week mark that makes defense stacking meta and nobody will be ready

(this is a lie)

[sudden whale]

Instant lost if reach 0 i assume

[coarse leaf]

ok it clicked for me now, thanks for taking the time to answer to my questions about the game

[hazy summit]

pins

[humble marsh]

it's nothing that harsh for hitting 0 but it's bad enough you'll want to keep it >0

[lone jacinth]

the pinned message has all the information now, but I persinally hope it starts banning a bunch of the losing side

[sudden whale]

so just have to keep the food at 1

[silver zephyr]

Oh I see

[humble marsh]

no problem i had a lot of fun making it despite the day 1 catastrophe

[coarse leaf]

yeah i saw some people getting genuinely upset last night but its all good

[sudden whale]

Neuro start eating chatters

[hybrid plume]

you're just trying to make us believe it's a lie so that we won't leak it

[hidden turtle]

buhflipexplode

[lethal trout]

THE LAMP

[lone jacinth]

another Karaoke bar as well, why are there so many of those?

[humble marsh]

luck

xd

each building has a weighting

[hidden turtle]

is there a way to tell how many blockss fatal damages we have

[sudden whale]

Also knowing u can change build mid way is huge, yesterday i just do it and prayed for it to work

[humble marsh]

fun fact the most rare building is water bucket

with a 0.2% chance to spawn

[burnt star]

mhm 155 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 atk

[hidden turtle]

om

[lone jacinth]

and evil got one both this round and the last round

[hidden turtle]

holy naother k aroake bar

[chrome wagon]

perfectly balanced as i should be

[humble marsh]

check them pc

[lone jacinth]

evil finally started hacking

[hollow kernel]

I love Vedal

[toxic moth]

Neuro so cute

[hidden turtle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1451179980170985512/petpet.gif

[toxic moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1452069761512112159/copy_CFBD3ED9-4A88-4341-B0AF-2450399B6EE7.gif

[hollow kernel]

My cute cute Evil

[glacial orchid]

Did evil just get a water bucket

[hidden turtle]

yo another abandoned archive

[strong tapir]

eviw so cyut

[hidden turtle]

ye

[willow dove]

Karaoke Bar coming up

[chrome wagon]

About time...

[glacial orchid]

It got pretty balanced ngl

[lone jacinth]

we've seen like 6 karaoke bars over the last 2 rounds haven't we?

[chrome wagon]

at least yeah ^^

[willow dove]

A lot of people in Twitch chat don't seem to know you need to join a team each time

[hidden turtle]

ye

[lone jacinth]

EACH TIME???

[hidden turtle]

no?

[lone jacinth]

or do you mean day?

[hidden turtle]

should re set per night

[humble marsh]

its per day

[lone jacinth]

ah I see

[willow dove]

X icon means you're not on an team. There's a lot of that

So yes

[humble marsh]

plot twist they're ai chat bots

[glacial orchid]

Lol

[sudden whale]

Its just monkey see monkey do they just spam what other spam

[glacial orchid]

I'mma eat brunch for now

[orchid rock]

i turned on stream typed !join neuro !split and i leave

[glacial orchid]

Yeah

[hazy summit]

that was on the first day as well, i noticed the first time i typed the command today i was not in the team

[lone jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[humble marsh]

for what its worth if ur just joinin to contribute and go afk you dont need to type !split

the post-battle afk penalty stuff will automaticaly put you in a !split-like state

[orchid rock]

thought i needed to write the first time

i see

[willow dove]

I'm just joining, mining, and doing events when I see them

[humble marsh]

technically you do if you wan tto contribute before the battle you joined for

[glacial orchid]

Vedal just used split

[humble marsh]

[lone jacinth]

wait doesn't building costs increase with number of people in a each faction? so wouldn't he afk debuff actually result in losing the team resources overall?

[hazy summit]

so if i understand right this was pointless as he was already afk

[willow dove]

What's Evil doing tomorrow again?

[humble marsh]

the scaling stuff works with afk penalties

[lone jacinth]

ah I see

[glacial orchid]

Hes a Neuro lol

[humble marsh]

to be specific, each player has a "multiplier". someone who just assigned their role will get a 1x, right after a battle ends everyone gets put to a 0.6x multiplier which is updated to 1x once they re-pick a role. if you're afk twice it goes from 0.6x->0.3x

and a summation of that multiplier value is what determines how much stuff costs

so an AFK player only scales stuff like 30% of an active player

which is linear with the amount of supplies they generate

[lone jacinth]

Thank you for all of these details, they are so amazing for my enjoyment of this game

[humble marsh]

[sudden whale]

So is being in a team with 0.3 efficiency better than not being in a team at all or nah?

[humble marsh]

it's about net neutral

[sudden whale]

Ah so its equal

[humble marsh]

it's so that you aren't punished for joining a team but not being able to be there for the whole offline stream

[sudden whale]

Ic ic

[willow dove]

It's nice to see people not spamming now that we know it's not necessary.

[sudden whale]

[glacial orchid]

Pog minigame for fun

[humble marsh]

it originally scaled to 0x multiplier but we liked the idea of people joining teams before they leave the stream to feel like they're contributing so we capped the lower bound at 0.3x

[willow dove]

Hey, Rydon_Daddy is in the chat

[glacial orchid]

Imma afk for now, I need to eat breakfast at noon

[lone jacinth]

can I sak how fast do you generate resources and are they spent at the same rate?

[chrome wagon]

another close battle barely won ... phew

[hidden turtle]

aintnoway karoake bar

[lone jacinth]

I blinked and missed the fight

[humble marsh]

first round karaoke bar is diabolical

[twilit vigil]

evil appears to be winning

this is unacceptable and im about to make it y'alls problem

[humble marsh]

evil's gotta catch up in wins so people can start playing both sides again

[hidden turtle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1136211337823928340.webp?size=160&animated=true

[lone jacinth]

ah so us evil minions last night, I guess it's only fair neuro's get a turn

[twilit vigil]

sickness must be purged

[glacial vector]

it seems like there's a lot more neuro than evil in chat now, but no, it's just 1 guy perma spamming

[sudden whale]

He trying to break the system

[twilit vigil]

that guy

[humble marsh]

holy moly someone just rapid fire did every single gather role

[brisk nacelle]

someone refuses to go split

[fading sky]

Is there a scoreboard? I don't know how the game works, but Evil has bigger numbers.

[humble marsh]

someone was talking about how this is a game for ants but imagine if i had to put proper instructions on the stream for command use

[twilit vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-solana-sol-rambo-gif-11565849111555442344

[chrome wagon]

I will help team Neuro out by going to bed now. Good night everyone!

[lone jacinth]

if you do everything all at once, it'll be exactly like you split

[humble marsh]

trophy icon on the bottom-right ish is their number of wins

[brisk nacelle]

but without !split drawbacks

[humble marsh]

there's a little bit of a redemption arc in progress at the moment

[brisk nacelle]

maybe they are cooking

[golden thicket]

brother is doing this on his keyboard

[fading sky]

Does it reset each night?

[humble marsh]

they are definitely burning

[humble marsh]

no

[glacial orchid]

Evil keeps getting legendaries

[glacial vector]

should probably get pinned in twitch chat in some way though

[lone jacinth]

genius!

[twilit vigil]

must be a neuro fan

[golden thicket]

WE WERE GETTING OUTLUCKED LAST NIGHT IM SO HAPPY

[humble marsh]

i think its fine, spammers are slowly being mitigated by the knowers

[fading sky]

Jeez, 28 to 4. How do you join a team?

[humble marsh]

!join [evil/neuro]

[golden thicket]

nesus pov

[lone jacinth]

just look at the other team's side