livestream-chat

[strong tapir]

can u explain why you sus the growth rate?

[worn jackal]

She’s getting like constant multipliers while evil keeps getting defense and base attack gains

[glacial orchid]

Higher existing attack equals higher attack gain

[bronze owl]

we like fighting each otherto keep us strong for when our true enemy, the veedlets, show up.

[paper tartan]

game is not broken, team neuro simply played better

[last hollow]

pog

[novel locust]

Another stock school

[willow dove]

PINK LAVA LAMP?

[faint oak]

Congrats

[light sleet]

Team Neuro had better RNG

[astral badge]

Oh damn

[burnt star]

Its gonna be defense

[novel locust]

Yooo evil team gets a lava lamp

[worn jackal]

Im just food maxing now. i don’t even care any more. I’m in my retirement arc

[astral badge]

I see they're thinking outside of the box

[strong tapir]

!!!

[scenic thorn]

the game is build for widening margins and neuro played better at start

[novel locust]

I think it's both

[last hollow]

attack and defense

[cobalt orchid]

Even if it gives like +100k Attack
it would not do shit

[alpine marlin]

lore accurate

[ancient jay]

but that's not how exponential growth works... I don't know how to explain this, but if you multiplied them both by say, 1.5, then the ratio between them would stay the same. it just feels like neuro gets more attack scaling, no?

[south stream]

is it just me or should the game reset after each round?

[chrome wagon]

it's both but percentile. so useless.

[gritty crystal]

Is this photoshopped?!

[novel locust]

10.6M health holy

[astral badge]

Oh, there is an M

[granite nymph]

please make health be stored in 32bit it will be so funny

[novel locust]

ANOTHER STOCK SCHOOL

[orchid bridge]

[cobalt orchid]

wait what it did flip
why at 10000k tho

[burnt star]

2M attack

[glacial orchid]

Idk know, I just know that higher base attack means the greater the % gets as addition

[paper tartan]

this game is so easy, when do we get out of bot lobbies 🥱

[prime kraken]

I just wanna see how high it can go

[worn jackal]

When i joined team neuro… I thought I would be on the perma losing team… I never thought it would turn out like this

[gentle valve]

It was intended all along

[novel locust]

Same

[alpine marlin]

it’s funny how Neuro started off losing and now she’s the most powerful being

[muted rampart]

yep

[hexed holly]

Goodnight evilists. And to the neuros, I hope your hubris consumes you

[south stream]

32bit limit and the over rolls into neagtive most likely

[tropic solstice]

[strong tapir]

ok but since neuro gets more atk buildings itd be more like evilAtk <- evilAtk * (1.5^4) every round while neurAtk <- neurAtk * (1.5^7) right?

[astral badge]

SHE IS THE GODDESS

[hollow oxide]

She's Magikarp

[limber lynx]

Can you switch teams ? I kinda feel bad for evil side now

[cobalt orchid]

Evils HP is almost a rounding error

[ancient jay]

if that's the case then that would explain it yes, but i don't think vedal would just buff the rate of attack buildings for neuro when it's obviously the only important stat, that would be unfair

[faint oak]

Neurosocool HBD Neur

[novel locust]

At the start of the round

[clever cradle]

Evil side lock in there's the lava pink lamp

[worn jackal]

You just join evils side whenever I think

[alpine marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/neurosama-palps-gif-2249661346415033093

[strong tapir]

i mean... atk also buffs hp and evil seems to be getting less of it soooooo

[light sleet]

Been doing wood this entire time on the lamp

[novel locust]

It's not intentionally rigged, neuro just got a lot of attack early and it's snowballed

[astral valley]

It doesn't matter. Half the people who could be typing !wood are typing !build 2

[worn jackal]

Yeah you can switch teams whenever

[novel locust]

Well. She's getting a lot of attack at all points actually

[strong tapir]

explain the 1st round AAs

[chrome wagon]

you misspelled "all the time" there 😂

[ancient jay]

again, getting attack early doesn't explain the continued getting more attack as the game goes on

[paper tartan]

true, but have you considered:

• she’s just a little ai
• it’s her birthday (in some areas still)

[faint oak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1083946347872387102.gif?quality=lossless&name=NeuroCheer&size=48

[cobalt orchid]

72.5 --> 94.3

[burnt star]

well that was disapoiting

[faint oak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1291867477919400031.gif?quality=lossless&name=evilCheer&size=48

[novel locust]

she's just lucky idk

[clever cradle]

game is practically neuromaxxing now

[bronze owl]

lava lamp is a 33% increase it seems

[granite nymph]

only a matter of time before neuro girlbosses too close to the sun

[worn jackal]

Its okay guys… it’s only 2.8m attack

Sorry 3.3

[paper tartan]

3.9

[faint oak]

If you're serious about this war, then LOCK IN

[strong tapir]

maybe its luck, maybe its rigged, neither are really fair

[chrome wagon]

I suspect Vedal expected Evil to have the bigger team, giving Neuro what felt like a slight advantage for her birthday and all the bugs (no reset, att->hp) spiraled this out of control.

[novel locust]

4 mil attack, no big deal

[muted rampart]

I cant wait for vedal to come back and see this

[astral badge]

neuroMarch

[gentle valve]

What if with negative HP Neuro won't lose?

[jaunty flare]

You have unlocked new role

[tropic solstice]

You have unlocked nwerole

[novel locust]

You have unlocked new role

[alpine marlin]

[paper tartan]

You unlocked have role new

[strong tapir]

what the 32bit integer limit again?

[novel locust]

You have locked old role

[peak hull]

Livestream is OPEN during offline hours? Yooooooo

[novel locust]

About 2 billion

[last hollow]

2 billions

[elder igloo]

It's around 2b or 4b depending on if it's signed or unsigned

[worn jackal]

We’re all slop malding

[muted rampart]

around 3b i think cant remmeber

[paper tartan]

this is not offline hours this is WARTIME

[faint oak]

Welcome. Is a warzone right now

[light sleet]

There is no war

[strong tapir]

ok, a few more rounds then

[worn jackal]

FUCKING VEDAL FAKED ME OUT GOD DAMN IT

[last hollow]

2,147,483,647

[scenic thorn]

it will be really funny if it just went going up past 2b

[chrome wagon]

4294967295 if unsigned.

[strong tapir]

[last hollow]

5555k attack

[novel locust]

I think the swarm has an Absolutely Normal fixation with participating in wars off stream hours (this, canvas)

[ancient jay]

it's probably a float so won't roll over, right? i imagine vedal would use a float not an integer for something with multiplicative scaling

[muted rampart]

i will be back in 3 hour and see how high it gets

[paper tartan]

if neuro’s attack is already at 5.5 mil imagine what it’ll be in like 10 hours

[faint oak]

[novel locust]

Imagine vedal stored the attack as a long

[worn jackal]

We just love the most pointless things. :3

[restive bay]

wtf i was afk how is neuro so strong

[brittle stump]

If its a long its joeover

[half sentinel]

probably overflow

[chrome wagon]

or int64...

[worn jackal]

Luck

[candid yarrow]

neuro buildings cost half as much as evil buildings

[gentle valve]

Imagine if it's a new number every letter

[brittle stump]

uint64

[paper tartan]

skill

[chrome wagon]

has been like that since 2nd round

[elder igloo]

Just look at what co-pilot would do

[novel locust]

We got those idle game numbers coming up

[chrome wagon]

haha good idea actually. we should ask copilot to fix it 😂

[strong tapir]

you have a point...

[muted rampart]

it would be funny if it get so high that it turn negative

[gentle valve]

e+99 incoming

[leaden phoenix]

Probably some kind of mechanic
If you have less Team members buildings cost less

[burnt star]

just go all food it will do somethink for sure

[little lotus]

Since the boosts are percentage based, and it was probably programmed in Unity, then chances are it's a float, which has a max value of ~3.4x10^38 and no overflow

[jaunty flare]

You have unlocked new role

[gentle valve]

You have unlocked new role

[novel locust]

You have locked old role

[alpine marlin]

new meta

[faint oak]

Good luck Neuroists, Evilists, Swarm members

[chrome wagon]

I assume it is all the stacked AA that don't get reset... xD

[astral badge]

By member count, we are David fighting Goliath

[strong tapir]

how are floats structured, does it have a seperate sign bit? i remember sth about a mantissa but its been a while

[chrome wagon]

I bet the reset function that would clean up is probably also fully there but not called 😂

[hollow oxide]

Except instead of a slingshot it's ICBMs

[paper tartan]

david vs goliath if david had a nuke

[strong tapir]

atk bias still going strong...

[muted rampart]

prob

[little lotus]

They do have a separate sign bit, but floating point calculations use a different algorithm than integer based calculations, and there are bit patterns set aside in the floating point standard for infinity, negative infinity, and other NaNs

[deft root]

so is attack still not working properly

[worn jackal]

No i think the reset not working is intended since vedal was here for a few rounds and didn’t fix it

[deft root]

not sure what's happening, just saw and see a huge difference

[strong tapir]

so no over / underflow since the sign bits arent affected by the other parts right

[astral badge]

Too big to fail

[paper tartan]

commons aren’t going as fast as last round so i don’t think AA persists

[novel locust]

Vedal probably just wanted to go sleep and deal with it later

[astral badge]

Karaoke Bar is good, but we've only got 6 minutes left

[leaden phoenix]

Or that
But it think there something to balance things out
Or else the team with more members would steamroll the other side too
Would at least explain the low building cost for Neuro

[astral badge]

Anyway, I've got this

[idle vault]

we tried our best evilists

[prime kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/b99-holt-balloon-pop-gif-10094260

[novel locust]

[last hollow]

resets every round

[little lotus]

exactly, if a number gets big enough, it should become infinity. Balatro is a great example of floating point based score values if you want an example

[faint oak]

Don't be discouraged

[south stream]

can you at least post the Evil one aswell?

[astral badge]

🛡️ 🖊️
Not this time

[chrome wagon]

does it though :3

[astral badge]

Sure, I can do that

[south stream]

thx

[strong tapir]

damn, no hope then...

[severe plover]

holy peak

[novel locust]

Well chat there's only one way to find out what type of variable the attack is stored as. RAISE THE ATTACK DinkDonk

[worn jackal]

MOTIVATION REGAINED, PUSH EVERYONE PUSH

[hollow oxide]

All this talk about attack and defense and it still seems like nobody has any idea what food is actually for

[faint oak]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT till the bitter end

[astral badge]

Nothing

[muted rampart]

nothing

[astral badge]

Food is a waste of time

[novel locust]

It gives something to steal in events

[scenic thorn]

food is for eating

[ancient jay]

food is useless, defence is useless, only attack does anything and it does more than it should

[astral badge]

+2 million attack

[strong tapir]

ass game design

[worn jackal]

What if the strat is to get neuro to 0 food so she starves to death

[bronze owl]

Anywho, Neuro didn't get her birthday spankings.

[hollow oxide]

Well yes, we think that it does nothing. But it might do something, we just have no idea what it is (and it is probably unimportant)

[burnt star]

cool idea, shitty execution

[bronze owl]

night everyone

[little lotus]

yeah, floats are essentially designed to handle exponential growth

[novel locust]

It might have something to do with the recruits. But we can't recruit anything because the requirements are too high

[clever cradle]

the chat has slowed down

[astral badge]

+1M on a moderate

[faint oak]

As always....

[novel locust]

Evil is about to get nuked

[faint oak]

!nothing

[frail mountain]

Nothing ever happens, all-in

[deft root]

i feel like if anything, shouldn't food, like, be the determining factor on hp

if it does nothing else

[astral badge]

That's what I thought

[leaden phoenix]

This happens when all buffs are percentage based

[scenic thorn]

what if at the end we go into a modern era where phycical power means nothing and whoever has the most food wins by monopoly

[paper tartan]

evil public execution in 1:30

[faint oak]

I love nothing of consequence happening

[gritty crystal]

Since when does attack ever go with health in any game?

[novel locust]

Evil's team only wakes up to steal neuro's food

[gritty crystal]

Lmao

[deft root]

even if defense was more important, hp scaling with attack just makes it so much better to get

[worn jackal]

I switched just to steal her food

[deft root]

so yea

[light sleet]

Food Defense useless all hail the mighty attack stat raiser of HP

[hollow oxide]

They're just hungry

[worn jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/neurosama-neuro-sama-vtuber-steals-gif-14040199139323424985

[south stream]

Vedal is the worst game designer i have ever seen

[untold portal]

neuroWaiting

[novel locust]

I feel like there's some game on the tip of my head with some esoteric stat correlation like that but I can't remember it

[leaden phoenix]

Stealing neuros food
Get nuked in retaliation

[paper tartan]

i feel like attack scaling hp has to be a bug or something, who would ever do that

[leaden phoenix]

Endless cycle

[bleak charm]

Stop with the fighting at least for a second, look https://fixupx.com/wimowowo/status/2002188464775725220?t=WrARs4_1JKzUkKILgJpI5Q&s=19

Wimo (@wimowowo)

Average father daughter interaction. #heartheartart

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[idle vault]

evil can tank this!!!!

[astral badge]

Evil stole Neuro's cookies, Neuro broke Evil's kneecaps

[alpine marlin]

here comes the bomb

[bronze owl]

A mistype

[hollow oxide]

International diplomatic incident

[last hollow]

one shot

[severe plover]

bruh

[novel locust]

RIPBOZO

[idle vault]

she died before the battle started...

[worn jackal]

Oop

[gentle valve]

0 pixels damage

[faint oak]

SOMETHING

[novel locust]

ANOTHER STOCK SCHOOL

[strong tapir]

AA ON EVIL

[muted rampart]

just 7m damage

[muted rampart]

its too late

[worn jackal]

Evil got an aa start this is where the come back begins

[astral badge]

Yeah, I think I've had enough

Honestly, even if it doesn't matter that much, I will admit I'm glad to see Neuro win something for once

[paper tartan]

we’re not seeing the boosting phase of the fight until the reset tomorrow

[muted rampart]

if neuro also get ai slop

10x

[light sleet]

There is no come back there is only endless Neuro Attack cards and Evil defense ones

[humble marsh]

evil won the first battle thats the real w

[faint oak]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY NEURO I'm glad she's winning something on her birthday

[astral badge]

When I saw double the amount of people pouring into Evil's team and that side winning every event and won the first battle, I thought the inverse was going to happen

I expect it, but it's just tiresome

[idle vault]

in a normal battle youre dead after losing once, so evil wins

[muted rampart]

we need a event that reduce 10% attack instead of def

[uncut pier]

ok im changing teams to evil this has gone too far

[worn jackal]

Alright, i had my fun time to sleep. Have to wake up at 3am to 1v0

[ancient jay]

yay more people to build defence buildings for evil

[paper tartan]

no, neuro needs 1 billion hp

[worn jackal]

Night night all

[south stream]

Evil if she saw this

[novel locust]

If we get neuro to NaN hp would she lose instantly or never die

[faint oak]

Good work out there, Neuroists, Evilists

[velvet burrow]

Guess chat is slow huh

[gentle valve]

That's the question

[velvet burrow]

Anyways chat so slow that I can show y'all the recreated dream I had

[strong tapir]

only one way to find out...

[faint oak]

I applaud the people on Evil's side fur persevering in such an unwinnable game

[muted rampart]

most neuro team left

[strong tapir]

based

[novel locust]

Crazy collab

[atomic flame]

Insane

[idle vault]

pixelated neuro is iconic

[south stream]

fixed it

[atomic flame]

That's too much wood

[mild rain]

Stick seven

[novel locust]

You...don't need to spam it

[strong tapir]

unscramble this word: "esnnurisfa"

[paper tartan]

100 million HP

[untold portal]

It gets more wood each time

[south stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1448349734610665613/kC6197x.gif

[astral badge]

Yeah, it ticks

[novel locust]

I think it just autogenerates, based on our knowledge

[astral badge]

You don't need to keep spamming it, you're assigned to the job and it gains per tick

[untold portal]

OhISee

[unique wave]

Huh livestream chat is still open

[faint oak]

Seems like things chilled out a bit

[gentle valve]

Yeah there's no question who winning anymore

[novel locust]

Everyone is going to sleep or doing other things people with lives do

[paper tartan]

i think after seeing the one shot most people packed it up

[atomic flame]

WE'VE REACHED PETS

[faint oak]

Sorry Vedal, but this is NOT a very well made game

[tight kindle]

having a life? couldn't be me

[south stream]

the game is basically pointless now

[novel locust]

The only point is going for naneinf

[faint oak]

Congrats on the stalemate

[atomic flame]

He's intentionally made it shit so it entices us to play Abandoned Archive.

[novel locust]

Not a stalemate

[gentle valve]

No the real game only starts here

Cookie clicker

[willow dove]

He probably made it in like, ten minutes.

[strong tapir]

that one's not that great either imo...

[uncut pier]

triple wheel of fate

[deft root]

is there like a way to know how many resources you have or do you just kinda guess

[tight kindle]

ngl twitch integration cookie clicker would go crazy

[paper tartan]

you mean copilot

[ancient jay]

triple gamba

[novel locust]

Let's go gambling!!!!

[willow dove]

Faaaaair

[light sleet]

3 wheels so 2 debuffs and 1 1% increase I bet!

[south stream]

[novel locust]

Boom jumpscare

[faint oak]

I mean.... If it's considered a victory for Neuro's team, it'd feel hollow

[willow dove]

To be fair, he only released it because the sub goal was reached.

[novel locust]

MAX INCREASE WHEEL OF FATE FOR NEURO

[tight kindle]

chat is it just me or does it feel strange to bring up neuro to ppl who dont know her

[clever cradle]

Neuro keeps getting defense crazy

[willow dove]

When balance is bad, it's all null and void.

[glacial orchid]

Chat just made a short term truce

[faint oak]

This game WASN'T fair. So it doesn't feel like a victory for either team

[hollow oxide]

smh waiter brought Evil's order

[tight kindle]

especially after this stream it sounds like I'm falling for the illusion

[faint oak]

Exactly

[timid jolt]

It's a fine game, not a masterpiece but good for the price.

[willow dove]

Petition for chill sleepover stream tomorrow instead of this.

[astral badge]

Well done guys, we broke it in a few hours

Thanks Vedal, now go fix it

[faint oak]

Congrats

[paper tartan]

[tight kindle]

not until we get integer overflow

[ancient jay]

nice, -70k attack

[idle vault]

"a few hours" it was broken after an hour lol

[willow dove]

Watch, the stream will happen to resume just before that happens.

[strong tapir]

definitely good for the price

[faint oak]

Hopefully it's fixed by tomorrow. Thus was miserable to watch

[light sleet]

Called it on the debuffs

[novel locust]

Another stock school

[south stream]

or just remove it

[light sleet]

Wheel of fate more like wheel of Evil nerfs lol

[ancient jay]

lost on 2 gambles, very cool

wheel of rubbing salt in the wound

[gentle valve]

25 attack against 21 defense, sounds reasonable mhm

[novel locust]

https://tenor.com/view/balatro-nope-wheel-northernlion-fortune-gif-1884086658338738891

[faint oak]

I'm down for that

[willow dove]

Conspiracy theory: Evil fans are distracted by the Evil vods. (Yes, I'm joking, please don't take this seriously)

[faint oak]

Anything that divides the fanbase I'm not a fan of

[paper tartan]

with some balance tweaks it’ll be better than just the vod

[south stream]

yeah offline chat reaction to vods in the last 2 years was more enjoyable

[light sleet]

27 million attack vs 21 thousand defense this is hilarious

[ancient jay]

evil is still winning the events like almost 2 to 1 sometimes, idk how it can be so rigged for neuro to get more attack while evil has 1 to 2 times the numbers

[astral badge]

Check the ship logs

[faint oak]

I didn't agree to my stream being interrupted by this

[atomic flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm8bCm5NDo4

[deft root]

i can listen in while playing

[south stream]

rigged rng its as simple as that

[willow dove]

It's like when you're on the highway, someone is driving behind you, and they speed past you just to immediately get in front of you again. You could tailgate them or do the same, but you're better off muttering to yourself and forgetting about it.

[hollow oxide]

Does Neuro always attack first? I haven't been paying full attention

[strong tapir]

does the turtle's apparent favouritism count

[novel locust]

The game is basically just subway surfers in the corner. Or the vod is subway surfers. Maybe they're both subway surfers

[willow dove]

Not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if higher attack stat goes first.

[faint oak]

But the twitch chat wasn't engaging with the stream. It felt like something was missing

[burnt star]

I want AI slop back

[gentle valve]

She attacked second last time

[astral badge]

God no

[willow dove]

At least that was funny

[topaz mulch]

Vedal got coding advice from Dream on how to handle Neuro's drops

[faint oak]

Honestly, yeah

[deft root]

yeah no

no

[astral badge]

I'm very, very glad that the AI slop is gone

[novel locust]

People will probably start reacting to the stream once vedal explains you don't need to spam commands

[south stream]

i'm kinda surprised that there is not discussion threat about this yet

[hollow oxide]

I wonder if attack outpaces defense enough it might turn into a coinflip where both oneshot

[strong tapir]

i want my offline chat back

[elder igloo]

Vedal should make an AI slop versions of Neuro and Evil

[willow dove]

But who would be the AI slop? Can't bring Crelly and Fillian back, they'd go "aye yo Vedal, wut dis???"

[paper tartan]

we should have this, ai slop, abandoned archive gameplay all covering the vod

[gentle valve]

HP still scales with attack so no

[strong tapir]

id rather have -scramble and -trivia, as bad as they are

[faint oak]

This really sucked, though honestly...

[deft root]

so many neuro stock schools on neuro's side holy

[novel locust]

I don't think ved is going to bring back the ai slop. It'd probably cost too much to have going the entire subathon

[topaz mulch]

Neuro plays subway surfers in the corner

[deft root]

i'd take this over ai slop any day

[burnt star]

vedal AI slop telling bedtime storys for Neuro

[willow dove]

Wouldn't this be keeping track of more calculations, though?

[light sleet]

Wheel of Nerf strikes again lol

[willow dove]

She did ask for one, lol

[deft root]

this needs better coding

[faint oak]

This was basically that, but much wlrse

[willow dove]

He probably deleted those AIs, btw

[clever cradle]

Is not that it needs better coding imo, it needs a better power system

[ancient jay]

could it be that whoever is losing in total rounds gets a boost to attack buildings? and so because the rounds won was screwed up at the start, neuro was buffed for 4 rounds?

[novel locust]

I mean I don't know a lot about how much things cost but I imagine reading chat messages and triggering things based on them is probably less resource intensive than generative AI

[scenic thorn]

is it just me or neuro's stat gain is slowing down?

[fading sky]

Live chat's open?

[willow dove]

Yeah, some things are tied in ways they shouldn't be, which completely breaks it.

[faint oak]

I'd take neither what happened to the collab, cause I could barely see it

[fading sky]

Are they not locking it day 1?

[deft root]

the collab takes up most of the screen lmaoo

[novel locust]

Wait evil doesn't like sonic (character)? Smh

[willow dove]

It's picking your poison

[clever cradle]

Evil almost have 300 people more than Neuro

[south stream]

honestly i dont think there is any meaningful logic behind it

[deft root]

nah it's to discuss the minigame on stream

[novel locust]

Oh no she's just a shadow fangirl

[alpine marlin]

crashing out for a offline game lule

[willow dove]

She's actually consistently a Shadow fan

[fading sky]

Was just about to ask about the game, how is it?

[faint oak]

Why do I have to pick, when VODS exist

[novel locust]

Neuro is powerscaling to infinity

[paper tartan]

perfectly skill based

[deft root]

unbalanced. food doesn't really do anything it seems, and attack is so much better to get than defense

[hollow oxide]

[willow dove]

I vote to stop talking about the game on stream and talk about other stuff.

[south stream]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-garbage-absolute-cinema-absolute-garbage-gif-5207933316851837780

[faint oak]

I really, really hated this. It soured an otherwise wonderful birthday, for me

[gentle valve]

No chat about livestream here

[novel locust]

Ok uhhh chat what game do you think ved is gonna play tomorrow

[dark leaf]

just woke up to this minigame here. Is there anything else to note about the game beyond what is stated in this screenshot?

[deft root]

i'mma be real it's not a big deal, just gotta give feedback

[strong tapir]

hopefully something not disappointing

[willow dove]

I think I remember him saying one of them is AI themed?

[fading sky]

He should have had Koko playtest.

[ancient jay]

when there are only like 100 people actively playing, are the other 1000 people contributing to the last thing they chose, or does it get reset each round and they do nothing? I think I missed the initial rules

[hollow oxide]

It is incredibly broken and Neuro is more powerful than god. So basically vedal made it

[novel locust]

He said the game was related to a stream we've done in the past

[alpine marlin]

funny, but for some reason some guys doesn't like it

[gentle valve]

And also famous single player game

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-gigachad-neuro-neuro-gigachad-neurochad-neuro-chad-gif-8063051158239057125

[astral badge]

AI slop

[runic bough]

Its gonna be the looker

[faint oak]

I just don't want any more discussions about Neuro vs Evil, Vedal's biases, or anything that takes out the casualness and fun of the stream

[toxic moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1442127881571668068/cry_about_it.gif

[willow dove]

Honestly, after seeing this, I'm glad he didn't rush out Abandoned Archive.

[novel locust]

[strong tapir]

is he gonna play the outer wilds dlc

[fading sky]

1. The Looker
2. BG3
3. Outer Wilds DLC
4. 

[faint oak]

Just.... No more tribalism, please, please, please

[strong tapir]

famous, single player, streamed before, already has integration from the base game

[gentle valve]

There was D&D attempt so

[paper tartan]

GTA 6

[fading sky]

5. Overcooked 2

[novel locust]

Unfortunately I don't think the looker is actually an option because the three games have neuro integration I think

Outer wilds dlc seems likely to start with

[fading sky]

That's why BG3 is on my guess list.

[willow dove]

Yeah, and Vedal really likes the game, too.

[novel locust]

I'm hoping lobotomy corporation is one of the other two games, for no reason in particular

[primal moss]

Damm channel still around

[faint oak]

Isn't that game too long?

[primal moss]

Thought it would beocked by now

[hollow oxide]

I'm sorry I'm pro-tribalism so now there's a division between pro-tribalism and anti-tribalism

[paper tartan]

did they ever even make integration for the dlc?

[alpine marlin]

who cares is just a game

[faint oak]

[gentle valve]

Others are not my guess since not popular/not a game

[primal moss]

Just extend subathon until game is completed

[fading sky]

Never seen it before. All I know is it is Witness, but better.

[novel locust]

Looker is a short parody of the witness. Vedal should play it at some point but I don't think it's one of the games he's been talking about

[faint oak]

The looker doesn't seem like a fun game to stream

[runic bough]

Its an amazing parody of The Witness

[fading sky]

Not when you have your Neuro sidekick to help speedrun it.

[novel locust]

It's better than the witness to stream

[runic bough]

The whole game is devoted to taking the piss out of TW

[willow dove]

Neither is The Witness, but Evil made it somewhat fun.

[faint oak]

True

[deft root]

it'd at least be a bit more enjoyable than the witness

[astral badge]

I believe that Vedal wouldn't choose The Looker because it's not different enough from The Witness and he prefers variety

[toxic moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1451694427696529500/Flyin_Neuro_Gif.gif

[fading sky]

I know he has 3 games with Neuro integration planned and one of the three will be done with Evil.

[faint oak]

I hope so

[novel locust]

Looker would be a good one-off stream some time after subathon

[faint oak]

Is it short?

[novel locust]

Yeah I think so

[willow dove]

I genuinely want a Neuro anime in this style.

[gentle valve]

You draw pp that's all basically

[alpine marlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1451688459256463411/excited_cookie.gif

[leaden phoenix]

Doubt he would waste time to integrate Neuro into the looker

[novel locust]

Wait did he say one of them was with evil?

[willow dove]

Yeah

[leaden phoenix]

RimWorld is my guess

[faint oak]

Sounds about right

[novel locust]

Especially when she wasn't integrated into the witness

[novel locust]

[leaden phoenix]

Or it's another David cage game

[willow dove]

Yeah, Evil was just looking at the game and expected to figure it out, right?

[hollow oxide]

[faint oak]

How would one integrate a Neur into the Looker

[ancient jay]

I feel like this round it suddenly changed, evil went from having 30 times less attack to now only 10 times less attack, what happened?

[novel locust]

David cage slop yip pee

[deft root]

i joined

[novel locust]

[faint oak]

Game is rigged

[willow dove]

Multiplier

[misty prism]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-sama-3d-weeee-cartwheel-spin-gif-10392946384607533851

[faint oak]

Wicked

[willow dove]

Honestly, it could be fun to scale these attack levels DBZ style

[novel locust]

Great first time message (this does nothing because they can't have joined a team )

[strong tapir]

bedge

[gentle valve]

Grindset

[hollow oxide]

seagulls when they see a guy with fries

[misty prism]

25k subs damn ..went to sleep at 10k

[faint oak]

(I didn't touch the game)

[faint oak]

That was INSANE

[green crest]

How's the game going chat?

[willow dove]

They're only at 25k because Vedal told Neuro he didn't think they'd reach 25k before calling it for the day. Once it was hit, people stopped subbing for now.

[alpine marlin]

fun

[faint oak]

Dead

[green crest]

Whos winning?

[alpine marlin]

neuro

[faint oak]

Neur

[willow dove]

No one really cares anymore because the game balance is bad.

[novel locust]

Neuro has 75million attack and attack=hp as well

[green crest]

Holy

[faint oak]

In short

!nothing

[frail mountain]

Nothing ever happens, all-in

[severe plover]

gamba

[misty prism]

Lol imagine challenging the swarms veedul

[thorn summit]

SUB GOAL REACHED: TWINS GET VIRTUAL PETS

good morning chat
it actually took more than 4 hours to barely get over this goal
maybe it will slow down and we wont get the last sub goal so quickly

[willow dove]

Yeah, the second he said it, I was like "here it coooomes"

[hollow oxide]

Honestly kind of an Alien vs. Predator kind of situation

[faint oak]

Man, I can't believe he shipped it in this state

[willow dove]

I need to know what 200k is

[foggy wedge]

I just wanna see what vedal said he added past 100k

[novel locust]

Abandoned archive 2

This time it's found

[faint oak]

I was really excited for it, too...

[willow dove]

This crossed my mind too, but I doubt he's interested in releasing a sequel.

The body Ellie mentioned would be hype for 200k

[south stream]

it's on brand for him

[novel locust]

I mean we also to have to consider, we don't know it's a 200k sub goal I think

[gentle valve]

He said he don't wan't to, but just another game is okay

[faint oak]

Not to this extent, though

[novel locust]

Could be like 125k or smth. So it may not be as crazy

[willow dove]

fucking robot body

[royal leaf]

200k dollars?

[hollow oxide]

do not the robot body

[south stream]

not surprised at all

[misty prism]

Didn't even remember seeing the first few goals showing on stream screen lol...it went straight to evil ASMR stream

[orchid rock]

what does the 100k goal mean?

[willow dove]

No, subs

[novel locust]

EPs are like, mini albums I think

[thorn summit]

something like a mini song album I heard

[orchid rock]

o

[bleak charm]

Holy fuck, bro it's only been a day and the goal left is five out of 19 lmao

[worn jackal]

Tbf the goals scale super hard

[idle vault]

theyre pretty evenly matched

[novel locust]

Yea, we have 5 left but we're only 1/4th of the way there

[willow dove]

Yeah, Vedal was caught off guard too.

[south stream]

twins amazon was showing for a few seconds at the beginning

[bleak charm]

I think this is the fastest sub goal of our last two subathons

[fallen aurora]

Basically like 2-3 long sonv short albums

[willow dove]

Can't wait for them to bully him into buying a $5,000 tungsten cube.

[bleak charm]

People do you even sleep

[novel locust]

I think I'm tapping out for the night, have fun swarmers! I expect to see naneinf attack when I wake up

[south stream]

[royal leaf]

Imagine Vedal spending 200k on a humanoid robot. That could be a decent host in all honesty. Around that price point Neuro would likely be able to run around and pick things up and such, maybe even do chores and such for Vedal unless she refuses to do them. That could be pretty cool either way.

[paper tartan]

: add tungsten to the filter

[hollow oxide]

sleep is for the mentally well adjusted weak

[south stream]

also crazy that we basically have seen nothing they have ordered after it was shipped to Vedal

[willow dove]

He wouldn't do that. He wants them to be as autonomous as possible without breaking TOS.

[novel notch]

over 25k subs in day 1 is insane

we have only like 4 goals left?

[calm needle]

Does someome have the sub graph for last year?

[faint oak]

Actually, wasn't he already planning on letting Neuro update her blog, herself? Why is it a subgoal, now?

[willow dove]

We should just get it up to 50k so he goes "WHAT THE FUCK?!" next time he looks at it.

[south stream]

https://tenor.com/view/money-mr-krabs-gif-18326632

[elfin sierra]

idt so

I remember neuro asking for it I think

[paper tartan]

not like it won’t be reached anyway

[faint oak]

[willow dove]

Quick, someone donate 25k, where's the person who donated 1,000?

[gentle valve]

There was 2

[willow dove]

Not sure how I missed one, I was here the whole time

[novel notch]

its crazy to me how some people were able to casually drop over $6k
amazing though

[novel notch]

3 no?

[gentle valve]

Maybe

[tranquil patrol]

labstr will come in clutch in the last 5 minutes of the subathon

[willow dove]

Too bad there's a cap, though.

[fickle crater]

was rewatching colorful array, he is trully a coldfish

[tranquil patrol]

it's a soft cap and we must pray to the oilers to break the cap

[gentle valve]

Actually I wonder if it's per sub or if it's weighted like the timer

Will 10 tier 3 be the same as 50 tier 1?

[willow dove]

I think it's time based.

[hollow oxide]

Push...

[paper tartan]

im curious how the cap even scales. 25k and its still at +20s

[tranquil patrol]

19s at 150k

[glad fern]

hey guys i went to sleep after 2 hours
did anything noteworthy happen

[calm needle]

Manually reduced afaik

[subtle breach]

(assuming it hasn't been modified from the original spreadsheet)

[gentle valve]

He said it's amount of subs, also time will not prevent from 3 month subathon

[thorn summit]

reality: the cap is fictional and he didn't actually implement it in code

[faint oak]

Pointless war, mostly. Sleeping Neur cute

[willow dove]

Then maybe it'll go down at 30k

[tranquil patrol]

my actual guess is Vedal manually reduces it today to like 15-18s when Neuro wakes up

[deft root]

i can't imagine the margins are huge if it takes 300k subs to get to 1 second per sub

[lyric smelt]

If he has it set up the way he described it then it would take an absurd amount of money for this to go past the cap he has in mind

[novel notch]

surely he could have made the mini game bigger its rather small

[faint oak]

I can't believe how much this event left a bad taste in my mouth. I hope the losing team took it well

[subtle breach]

also good to see the subathon vods on bilibili live this time
(vedal taking proactive actions to make sure B2 doesn't die helps, like with with the sleep stream having filters on day one, even if they are broken right now)

[granite nymph]

smh

[willow dove]

We don't talk about that here

[dusky monolith]

which side is losing?

[faint oak]

Swarm's

[willow dove]

Everyone

[smoky arrow]

Guys, what happened to the numbers? Why does Neuro have ten times more HP than Evil?

[gentle valve]

Oh it's billion now

[faint oak]

I don't know

[willow dove]

Bad game balance

[paper tartan]

chatting about the livestream is banned from #livestream-chat

[viscid tree]

Hmmmmm

[deft root]

getting attack apparantly also buffs your hp

[willow dove]

Yeah, not sure why he thought that would be a good idea

[viscid tree]

Rigged game neuro so strong

[calm needle]

You can't even read them at all on mobile lmao

[paper tartan]

you can zoom in on mobile

[faint oak]

I'm personally not gonna participate in this at all, though hopefully it'll get better

[hollow oxide]

GOD Mimi's hiding behind hat toggle is so cute

[manic ridge]

amazing

[willow dove]

I'm just occasionally typing in there when I get bored, lol

[somber dagger]

guys I was in and out of sleep during the second half of the stream did Vedal say anything about activities they'll do?

[subtle breach]

thats quite blurry even zoomed in

[willow dove]

Like now

[gentle valve]

Game tomorrow

[somber dagger]

aight thanks

[willow dove]

Wouldn't say what, but it's related to something they did on stream before

[clever cradle]

Neuro slowly losing

[gentle ridge]

stop being parasocial
also the friking tutel: "lets bring my child to the aquarium"

[gentle valve]

Basically everything fits

[willow dove]

As an Evil fan, even if Evil makes a comeback, I'd still say rigged.

[deft root]

evil's finally not getting one shot

well nvm

[faint oak]

What's the cap on the subathon,btw

[manic ridge]

2 weeks

[gentle ridge]

I'm burning the meds, this is realto me

[faint oak]

Three games in two weeks....

[somber dagger]

I think I got woken up but still half asleep when he talked about a game or something but wasn't sure what it was about lmao

[zinc lichen]

Damn... This is too much for me

[clever cradle]

3 response hub for neuro💔

[faint oak]

They can't be very long games, if so

[safe vessel]

There is no cap, the time added per sub just eventually goes down to 1 second per as we hit more and more subs and so it becomes increasingly difficult to add large amounts of time

[gentle ridge]

and the music didn't help either

[timid jolt]

forcing neuro to get defense

[faint oak]

[zinc lichen]

That map was something else

[haughty dew]

THE PROPHECY FROM THE GOVERNMENT

[orchid rock]

what happened there? i confus

[timid jolt]

do you need to chose a new thing everytime the buildings switch?

[sullen zealot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1336478417805381642/1449098300740472984/caption.gif

[subtle breach]

tried to make the comic/manga in the intro vertical

[faint oak]

I still don't believe they'll play something as long as BG3, though

[safe vessel]

In the nonexistent scenario a billionaire wanted to, he could personally see that the subathon lasts infinitely (1 billion dollars is 6 years at 1 second per sub)

[faint oak]

Oh, it's the prison break

That was a fun stream

[willow dove]

At that point, might as well take the money, we'd never see him again, lol

[granite nymph]

more hp than attack

[deft root]

huh.

how does defense scale

i expected a 2 shot to evil

[gentle ridge]

https://x.com/RhydonDaddy/status/2002132106789728318

Rhydon Daddy (@RhydonDaddy)

"A creator meeting his creation"

You can hear the moment it hit vedal that maybe Neuro is more than an AI to him. (~30 seconds to end)

It must be surreal for vedal to have Neuro see him, recognize him, recognize herself, and actually interact with him.
#neurosama #vedalverse

X · Dec 19, 2025, 9:41 PM

[deft root]

but we took like 5-6 hits

[subtle breach]

I learned that krita lets you do 3d rotations which is cool but also feels weird ish)

[safe vessel]

Well yeah but it was more to point out the subathon doesn’t technically have a cap as is. Its just unfathomably unlikely. Even if we collectively pooled a million dollars into subs at 1 second, also unfathomably unlikely that would only add 2.5 ish days. So it will eventually end but its technically not capped

[deft root]

maybe defense is percentage based?

[faint oak]

The math doesn't math, it seems

[deft root]

and not just a flat damage reduction?

[gentle valve]

No overflow at 2,127B what's next?

[granite nymph]

MORE DEFENCE

ONLY DEFENCE

[willow dove]

Yeah, but if you were handed a billion dollars and were set, some people would peace out right there.

[timid jolt]

Evil is starting to rack up the attack actually

[muted rampart]

wow evil fan still going

[faint oak]

I wonder why Vedal didn't explain how the game works

[muted rampart]

i already gave up

[willow dove]

Probably wanted to see the chaos

[safe vessel]

The biggest game I can see them playing is Skyrim if someone has managed to make a neuro integrated companion mod in secret over the past year

[willow dove]

Honestly, any game where Neuro or Evil have control over Vedal's fate is a win for me.

[safe vessel]

I wouldn’t blame him in that situation but it wasn’t meant to be a serious hypothetical

[gentle ridge]

the swarm is smart enouught to figure it out by themselves

[faint oak]

There's a Fallout 4 one.... But I, for some reason, assumed that the integrations won't be fan-made, though I could be wrong

[willow dove]

Vedal said Neuro specifically for tomorrow, right?

[somber dagger]

I love that she calls Zen "Z"

[willow dove]

Double sleepy

[faint oak]

Big sis Z

[deft root]

so

[timid jolt]

Neuro is running out of food!!!

[deft root]

question

[timid jolt]

we need to farm

[gentle ridge]

"I can't in VR chat is too real"
"she really is... my daughter"
"stay focus brothers"
"eggs!"

[deft root]

food

does food affect gather/build rate maybe?

[timid jolt]

I have no idea actully

[half sentinel]

stealing food didn't even work

[faint oak]

Why do we have to puzzle this stuff out

[timid jolt]

I just assumed you could starve

[deft root]

because evil's catching up quite a bit now

[paper tartan]

food is a psyop

[willow dove]

Evil would've been dominating this whole time if that were the case.

[gentle ridge]

I'm assuming if the swarm fully understands the game they will eventually break it

[willow dove]

But it happened anyway, lmao

[gentle ridge]

[deft root]

either way

defense does not reduce damage by a flat amount

[broken yew]

Food being useless kinda makes sense since it's a battle between ai and drones

[deft root]

that last combat made that obvious

[subtle breach]

the stream time for B2 is ok ish surprisingly

[gentle ridge]

brother

man even the ambient and music were perfect

[ancient jay]

It seems like it's something different but either way it's useless, if Evil has over 20x the defence but Neuro completely destroys her each round, there is no point to defence

[willow dove]

So I got these Viture smart glasses that use AI to make 2D content look 3D, I'm thinking about going back to the 3D segment to see what it looks like in 3D.

[muted rampart]

oh wow evil is catching up somehow

[deft root]

evil took like 5 extra hits when she should've only survived one hit max

so i dunno

[atomic flame]

Made two versions of an Mp3 from the stream today

[brittle stump]

it was so peaceful and cute

[willow dove]

Not really. The higher they go, the more it scales. Neuro is still severely outpacing her.

[ancient jay]

but She did basically no damage to Neuro, so clearly attack is vastly more important. To the point that defence seems useless

[gentle ridge]

we need a 3d duck

[muted rampart]

yeh but its 10x not 30x anymore

[gentle valve]

I just look at things with one eye sometimes

[deft root]

i think both are important when the numbers are way closer

[faint oak]

I feel like competitive stuff like this is almost necessary to move us from the "Evil is neglected" crap, but maaan,I wish the game was better balanced and better explained. It feels like such a waste, currently

[atomic flame]

Agreed, I'd love to see how I look in 3D

[gentle valve]

It makes brain come up with depth that's not there

[timid jolt]

wheel of fate is garbage for neuro.

[ancient jay]

but attack scales way faster than defence, so they are never close. they just get further appart

[twilit vigil]

i was only gone a few hours, what the fuck is this exponential growth

[timid jolt]

I actully think it's kinda fun. But I love number go up.

[deft root]

it clearly scales in some way based on that last battle

in a different way from attack

[tranquil dew]

is hp a 64bit int

[glacial orchid]

It's the boss battle

[tranquil dew]

thats never overflowing in a million years

[twilit vigil]

did we ever figure out what food does?

[gentle valve]

It's like 4,3B?

No

[subtle breach]

the emotes are almost glow in the dark with how B2 chat looks on stream

[twilit vigil]

fuck's sake

[glacial orchid]

Nope

[faint oak]

The idea here is so good, why wasn't it explained better

[granite nymph]

😭

[twilit vigil]

double karaoke

[timid jolt]

Wheel of fate is garbage. Neuro team should farm for food.

[glacial orchid]

How boss scales after every battle

[granite nymph]

[raven blade]

how does one tell if you've joined a side.

[gentle ridge]

should we ping the mods?

[paper tartan]

never stop gambling

[glacial orchid]

Color of heart in chat

[raven blade]

[glacial orchid]

Pink or black

[subtle breach]

when vedal was editing the sleep layout, it messed up B2 a good bit

[tranquil dew]

64 bit signed int max is 2^63 - 1 = 9,223,372,036,854,775,807

[twilit vigil]

if you typed !join neuro you joined a side, !join evil doesnt work

[gentle valve]

Oh right I thought about 33 bit for some reason

[granite nymph]

WHAT IS THIS

[willow dove]

Vedal didn't account for 1 billion, lol

[gentle valve]

I need sleep

[twilit vigil]

speedrunning to integer overflow

[deft root]

a chance for us to catch up

[raven blade]

win evil empire WIN!!!

[glacial orchid]

Three karaoke in a row

[tranquil dew]

4.294B would be the 32 bit unsigned int limit

[leaden phoenix]

Attack power just goes to infinity

[raven blade]

[twilit vigil]

unstoppable karaoke

[granite nymph]

yes, with neuro getting 3 eco bufs that surely wipe after battle

[gentle valve]

I think it's 2,127B for 32

[graceful flicker]

Im just catching up with clips how did I barely missed peak gng?

[tranquil dew]

thats signed

[alpine marlin]

comon neuro W

[gentle valve]

Oh right

[deft root]

that's buffs that neuro isn't getting to her actual stats

[granite nymph]

[raven blade]

c'mon evilyn swarm!

[granite nymph]

surely she wont make up lost time with bufs that cost half

[subtle breach]

only the top left of the video in b2, so just some heads poking out in the bottom when it isn't a zoom in edit

[glacial orchid]

Neuro building too quick

[granite nymph]

another aa

[deft root]

fair enough

[granite nymph]

holy

[timid jolt]

Holy Karoke bar the food is flying

[paper tartan]

the eco buffs are reset each round, they’d be going way faster otherwise lmao

[raven blade]

[granite nymph]

aaand neuro is flying away

[alpine marlin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1067638175478071307/1192462360250683464/neuro-chad.gif

[granite nymph]

[gentle valve]

Alright there's letter for billions

[granite nymph]

gg we had a nice run

[gentle valve]

That's intended gameplay at this point

[willow dove]

I'm just laughing at how dumb this is now, lol

[granite nymph]

that's buffs that neuro isn't getting

[toxic moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1399451672647831582/1399451673998528572/GIF_20250729_023223_674.gif

[timid jolt]

Evil's attack is approching Neuro's and she's got way more defense!

[twilit vigil]

17 billion hitpoints

holy

[subtle breach]

so I'm guessing we are dealing with repeating multiplier when a build finishes or something

[willow dove]

Neuro's attack just doubled

[twilit vigil]

my god there were billions more before i could even type that message

[granite nymph]

20

23

[deft root]

so are people on evil's team just not doing anything

[willow dove]

There's no point.

[timid jolt]

yep...

[twilit vigil]

[willow dove]

Neuro's doubled again

[ancient jay]

it looked like it was getting close for a moment but now neuro's shot up way ahead again, im not sure how these buildings are dished out but it's crazy how consistently it has been in neuro's favour

[deft root]

they were doing stuff, then stopped

[twilit vigil]

half the numbers, 50x the damage

[plush shoal]

Vedal HATES Evil

[alpine marlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1324872678791975004/1447710810184093838/dqfgdfdsgdsfgfdsbbySorassss18.gif

keep going neurons

[ancient jay]

her attack just doubled again, this is the furthest ahead it's been so far

[brittle stump]

38.3 BILLION it has to be a int64 no overflow

[willow dove]

He was wearing an Evil shirt earlier, lol

[paper tartan]

we must reach the trillions

[faint oak]

I feel like we didn't reminisce enough about how fun today was. The birthday party was so cute and wholesome

[twilit vigil]

[glacial orchid]

Neuro is speedrunning builds

[subtle breach]

there has to be some form of exponential growth or something

[leaden phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-son-goku-saiyan-super-saiyan-dragon-ball-gif-10426444575225646917

Neuro rn

[ancient jay]

well she got insanely lucky with the eco stuff this round so it's hard to compare.

[twilit vigil]

the power of stacking multipliers, baby

[toxic moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1439705873667588136/love.gif

[twilit vigil]

but seriously, how did these numbers get so big, i was gone a few hours

[subtle breach]

B2 chat didn't render for a second when I came back

[alpine marlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1111022323219304608.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=neuroSoCute

[twilit vigil]

just crazy RNG or did they not reset properly between rounds or something?

[clever cradle]

74B crazy

[ancient jay]

they don't reset at all between rounds

[glacial orchid]

Hahahahahah

[twilit vigil]

94.1B

[willow dove]

Someone is definitely botting

[twilit vigil]

yeah thatll do it

[clever cradle]

Holy why is Neuro finishing the buildings so fast

[ancient jay]

it's just that only neuro has got the lucky early eco for whatever reason

[twilit vigil]

cant wait to wake up in the morning to either UI gore, a crashed program, or numbers so small you cant read them anymore

[faint oak]

I wish it lasted longer, but oh well. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE CUTEST LITTLE COOKIE

[granite nymph]

x100 difference

[willow dove]

Because we definitely have a cheater on Neuro's team

[paper tartan]

multiple eco buffs

[willow dove]

So none of this is valid

[twilit vigil]

casual 22.5billion attack

[faint oak]

Good night, chat. Don't kill each other

[clever cradle]

But the chat doesnt show a particular someone botting

[ancient jay]

and somehow she still has massively less defence, i don't get it honestly

[alpine marlin]

the cheater in question

[glacial orchid]

Eco builds

[timid jolt]

Bunch of kareok bars and abandoned archives this round

[leaden phoenix]

[willow dove]

I'm team Evil, lmao

[twilit vigil]

birthday buff

[granite nymph]

[clever cradle]

I think is because of the eco builds right

273B hp

[twilit vigil]

yep

[alpine marlin]

[twilit vigil]

these are the consequences of us getting 10 consecutive karaoke bars

[willow dove]

I really hope Vedal has something to say about this tomorrow.

[twilit vigil]

can we hit 1 trillion HP before the round is over?

[clever cradle]

Even a common upgrade is 2B atk power

[muted rampart]

aa and karaoke must not reset

[subtle breach]

something something buffing construction before building things

[alpine marlin]

who cares, is just a game

[leaden phoenix]

Eco build + Focus attack from the start
Also probably some sort of buff to offset the smaller team size

[muted rampart]

how its 1k per upgrade

[calm needle]

holy fuck construction speed is so fast now

[clever cradle]

wheel of fate is not helping here

[twilit vigil]

evil foiled again, DAMN YOU TURTLE

[toxic moth]

This is so funny

[muted rampart]

aa

[topaz mulch]

I do, because the first few rounds were fun and interesting. This is just tedious

[muted rampart]

ofc more bar

[deft root]

should be balanced out a bit more

still dunno what food is for ultimately

[twilit vigil]

i cant imagine numbers not resetting between rounds is intentional

[ancient jay]

it's not really a game when only one side can win

[stray moat]

Yeah, birthday stream today was great. Some great moments for sure

[alpine marlin]

rng idk

[brittle stump]

648b lmao

[ancient jay]

despite the other side having overwhelmingly more people

[willow dove]

Exactly why I'm convinced there's cheating going on

[leaden phoenix]

True but somehow I doubt you would feel the same if the roles were reversed

[clever cradle]

ONE SHOT

[brittle stump]

evil

[clever cradle]

WTH EVIL 2 AA

[toxic moth]

[timid jolt]

One shot

[willow dove]

I would still be annoyed if it were reversed

[elder heron]

didnt even see neuro's health bar decrease

[timid jolt]

XD

[paper tartan]

does anyone still want to claim that eco buffs persist

[toxic moth]

one punch nur

[muted rampart]

oh dang

[alpine marlin]

ez win

[twilit vigil]

the thing about exponential growth is that its exponential

so once you're far enough ahead, no amount of numbers is going to save you when theyre doubling hundreds of billions while youre doubling single millions

[leaden phoenix]

Bro

[glacial orchid]

Evil is not on eco farm

[subtle breach]

this is karaoke bar

[deft root]

this is such a stupid argument

man

[granite nymph]

we might come back if we get 5 karaoke on top of that

[muted rampart]

we just need like 3 bar from evil

[willow dove]

Yeah, I got that. I commented about the scaling earlier.

[twilit vigil]

evil just needs extraordinarily good building spawn RNG

[granite nymph]

evil

luck

[willow dove]

If Neuro had more people, sure, it is what it is. But this makes no sense.

[muted rampart]

did neuro lost people?

[ancient jay]

I think I would find it equally stupid if Neuro had 2x as many people in her team, but got one shot each round and there was no way to come back

[timid jolt]

we should just tear through small ones till we get eco buffs

[twilit vigil]

i think its pretty obvious its just bugged but i know that wont stop the evilist crashout

[alpine marlin]

if the roles where reversed people would just find it funny and memeing about it

[deft root]

ok buddy

[topaz mulch]

Even more basic than that, 'you only believe the right thing because a bad thing happened to your side' is such a stupid, vacuous argument

[subtle breach]

the way I think about exponential growth is "time to double", so say it's +2% per iteration, that means (assuming its 1.02^(loops) each time) 35 loops till it reaches 2x, then 70 loops for 4x, 105 for 8x and so on
(all from a small 1.02^(loops))

[toxic moth]

I like Neuro 🙂

[alpine marlin]

same

[willow dove]

My only problem is the numbers of people on each side don't line up with the building speed on each side. That's what's bugging me

[toxic moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1446928483010744490/neuroSway.gif

[gentle valve]

I count it as 7 zeroes per 4 hours currently

[ancient jay]

that was because neuro got early econ buffs, and not many people are actively playing so I think the large player counts are kind of meaningless

[paper tartan]

building speed is probably based on the percent of the team building rather than total number

[willow dove]

I don't get econ buffs. What are those?

[pseudo egret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/423224416126631940/1445480443947258109/vwhkb136bt4g1.gif

[clever cradle]

the econ buffs are abandoned archive and Karaoke bar, they basically make it faster for you to make building upgrades

[alpine marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-neuro-wink-neuro-sama-gif-7412156370155803771

[ancient jay]

neuro got multiple +50% production rates to all resources early on in the last round

[twilit vigil]

ok so i think the best way to explain it is

552x10000 > 922x1000

neuro's side has accumulated more multipliers, so each player is contributing exponentially more

its not foul play, its just what happens when you let numbers infinitely scale

[willow dove]

That all sticks?

[glacial orchid]

Trillion

[subtle breach]

103B to 118B in one upgrade (about +15%)

[merry orchid]

hello chat how is going? you are not going to fail and

[muted rampart]

ai slop

[leaden phoenix]

I mean that's how it normally is
Don't like one side steam rolling either but usually this is always what happens

[twilit vigil]

i just want to know what FUCKING FOOD DOES

it has to be ragebait

he intentionally didnt explain it

[amber sun]

hiii livestream chat

[alpine marlin]

yeah it's a game after all, just find it funny and memeing about it, instead of complaining

[clever cradle]

Food def has a factor in like something genuinely, but it is so minor that it doesnt matter

like there's a whole legendary upgrade for it

[leaden phoenix]

Food does nothing for the fight that's for sure

[muted rampart]

maybe you generate material faster

[glacial orchid]

Maybe addition to multiplier?

[deft root]

if that was the case evil's side would have been building faster

[muted rampart]

not really as they get insane eco boost

[twilit vigil]

my only guess is maybe its some kind of passive buff to rates in general, but there's no telling to what degree and to what stats

[paper tartan]

food has gotta be bugged or something

[muted rampart]

i seen them getting karaoke and aa so much

[deft root]

evil's side was ahead in food basically the entire time by a lot up until the eco boost

[jaunty birch]

I have no idea how this works, idk if I'm doing anything

[muted rampart]

not by much tho

[amber sun]

Food goes down sometimes because I remember it going down a little bit every now and then at the start so it probably is just gives some debuff or does damage to your side if it's zero

[gentle valve]

If it's intended to reset each round you probably can't build without food

[deft root]

we were ahead by like triple

[leaden phoenix]

Still think it's a passive buff to the team with less members
Or it's just insane luck

[muted rampart]

before neuro snowball? no

[glacial orchid]

Almost 2 tril

[ancient jay]

im kinda confused why the "recruit drone engineer" event always seems to be way more evil biased than the other events

[alpine marlin]

luckiest little cookie

[deft root]

we were. we were in 100k's while they were in low 10k's

[hollow kernel]

Karaoke again

Not fair

[willow dove]

I noticed most of them usually have more people for Evil?

[timid jolt]

Karaoke bar!

[gentle valve]

Cause it's useless

[muted rampart]

we're were mostly ahead by like 10k cuz we kept stealing from them

[twilit vigil]

there's no way to confirm really since there's no individual feedback but
!join neuro/evil = pick a faction
!mine/wood = pick resource to gather
!build 1/2/3 = pick which building to apply your resource to
!farm = get food but we dont know what food does
then the !event flags to contribute to your side to win the buff

[deft root]

i'm very certain we were always way ahead in food up until that huge eco round

like it wasn't even close in that regard

[jaunty birch]

thanks, I've just been spamming for hours

[ancient jay]

yeah for a lot of rounds. but it's all meaningless when neuro gets karaoke bar every round

[hollow kernel]

Evil should have some karaoke

[deft root]

is karaoke bar different?

[toxic moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1442127881571668068/cry_about_it.gif

[twilit vigil]

evil was definitely way ahead foodwise about 30m ago

[somber dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1439385225275768965/disappointed.gif

[muted rampart]

when neuro first snowball no

[willow dove]

I wonder if Vedal just overlooked something about how these cards are dished out. I feel like it's an easy fix.