#Woud like some help with my Eowyn/Aragorn Commander Deck.

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undone cedar
glacial herald
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first look, the amount of lands and humans are concerning

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too many lands, too few humans

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i see lot of cards in consideration so perhaps that makes it hard for oyu to pick from

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deck seems to be on the right track though

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i am trying to find ways to make it more consistent or soemthing

undone cedar
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Ok, I modified it a bit more. I took out a few lands and and artifacts. Then I added a few cards that I thought might work well.

glacial herald
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it looks solid, i havent find the overlap card i wanted. as for removals, it would be more perferential

undone cedar
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Yeah, I'll need to spend some time playtesting it to see how it fairs now. What did you mean by overlap card?

glacial herald
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like those multi functional effects that say "this card: draws, ramp, and/or deals damage" all in one. Everything you want in a commander game

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just tribal has so much to look through

undone cedar
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I have similar cards like that in consideration, like [[Jeskai Charm]], [[Valorous Stance]], and a few enchantments.

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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[[Brave the Sands]]

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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[[Frostcliff Siege]]

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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[[Paladin Class]]

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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[[War of the Last Alliance]]

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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i kind of like that last one, but not sure whats the swap

undone cedar
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maybe I can go down another land card?

undone cedar
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Would I need more card draw effects like [[Quarrel's End]]?

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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How about search for land cards like [[Keeper of the Accord]] or [[Explorer's Scope]]?

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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hard to recommand that one since its not repeatable and hardly goes up in card advantage. the only bonus is the 1/1 as a bad draw spell

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scope is a hit or misses. and it needs early creature out so it depends on the deck. not as generic as the one that ramp on attack trigger

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keeper is a human itself but doesnt make humans , the ramp is good tho

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it cant colour fix is the big downside

undone cedar
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I’ve swapped out Swiftfoot Boots for War of the Last Alliance and a Plains for Prophetic Prism. Would swapping out another card be better?

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I think these cards might improve the color fixing more. [[Great Hall of the Citadel]], [[Cascading Cataracts]], [[Adarkar Wastes]] and/or [[Rugged Praire]].

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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all those lands are good cards, great hall can be a bit conditional and cataracts perhap overkilled. the ping lands, filter lands, and "signet" lands are all pretty good for fixing

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overall having white mana doesnt hurt

undone cedar
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yeah, i was just pondering whether I would need to color fix. Might not even be a problem if my card advantage is high enough

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I replaced Knight Exemplar with [[Éomer, Marshal of Rohan]].
I think having another combat phase, even if conditional, would be more beneficial than a knight-only indestructible effect.

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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Would [[Minas Tirith Garrison]] be better than [[Mass Appeal]]?

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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Would you swap out anything for [[Riders of the Mark]]?

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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Actually, I'll just leave it in consideration unless I find I need another token generator.

undone cedar
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Here’s what I done so far:
Ambitious Farmhand (replaces Wayfarer’s Bauble)
Hanweir Garrison (replaces Eomer, Marshal of Rohan)
Mentor of the Meek (replaces Prophetic Prism)
Thalia, Heretic Cathar (replaces Denethor, Stone Seer)
Rally at the Hornburg (replaces Glorious Gale)
Adarkar Wastes (replaces a Plains
Castle Ardenvale (replaces a Plains)
Mystic Monastery (replaces Tranquil Cove)

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I think I would need more ramp. Not sure what else I could do yet.

modest gust
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Hello anyone able to give me advice on sodding the abzan armour deck ??

undone cedar
glacial herald
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let me see... [[Ambitious Farmhand]]

sterile escarpBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/inr/8/ambitious-farmhand-seasoned-cathar

Ambitious Farmhand <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Peasant
When this creature enters, you may search your library for a basic Plains card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
Coven — mana1manawmanaw: Transform this creature. Activate only if you control three or more creatures with different powers.
1/1

Seasoned Cathar
Creature — Human Knight
Lifelink
"The cathars have taught me many things, but I will never forget the hard, honest work that first callused my hands."
3/3

glacial herald
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only can search plain but it is a human

glacial herald
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probably not a bad swap tho

glacial herald
teal kiln
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Recently I've put in halo fountain in mine to pay 1 and untap combat celebrant for another exertion trigger.
Neyali, Suns Vanguard gives you some card advantage and gives your tokens double strike on attack, and is a human to trigger Eowyn.

undone cedar
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I've made a few minor changes but I haven't kept track of the swaps made. I don’t have all the cards yet so I’ve played an outdated version a few times. It did well in bracket 2-3 games despite ramp feeling relatively a bit slower. I don’t know how it would perform against only bracket 3+ decks yet.

undone cedar
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@glacial herald How do you think it is now?

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I've also made a Primer but it's still a work in progress.

glacial herald
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for the most part the deck is running very smooth, there are a decent amount of humans and consistent draws. i think it just comes down to cutting the cost as much as you can to keep the engine running

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[[harsh mercy]] how well does this play out? because each opponent gets to keep at least one creature

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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[[!throne of the high city]] if the deck isnt so heavy combat focus this card would be so much worse XD 5 mana and a land drop to get for monarch, but i assume it is very good in here

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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its like the emblem for the unblockable aragorn

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i can see terramorphic expand getting upgraded for an untapped but those are just small changes, no direct effect to the mana base itself

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[[!horn of gondor]] i havent got to play too many time; the rate and scaling looks nice although it is kind of in the win-more scenario so idk how it normally plays out

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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and i just realized how [[beregond of the guard]] is so much better than [[erkenbrand lord of westfold]]

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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like its not even fair XD

undone cedar
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I think Harsh Mercy does well as an almost board wipe if there isn't another tribal deck in play. I could swap it for Raise the Palisade though.

glacial herald
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its fine, i just never really see it in my games to know how effective it is

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in my LGS, i usually need board wipe for the "untargettable" stompy and go wide token winnies

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whichwould let the opponent get away in both case

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but its not like i would run a [[wrath of god]] either unless i have indestructible on my side

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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those things are so minor its no biggies which one you use

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[[oath of eorl]] is a card i didnt know, that looks cool even if i am not in human tribal 🤔

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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Yeah, the deck does have a few cards that give all of my creatures indestructible so that may be a decent alternative if I can do it beforehand. I'll consider that as well.

glacial herald
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i run [[split up]]

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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after 3-4 mana i go for things that can sacrifice instead of destroy

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so that heroic intervention cannot stop it

undone cedar
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Throne of the High City has been decent if I needed to be the Monarch again if I had Aragorn, King of Gondor in play and I wasn't the Monarch anymore. It could possibly be useful for Court of Ardenvale or Faramir, Steward of Gondor, but I haven’t needed to do that yet.

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Those could be edge-cases tho, so I can probably swap it if I need to improve the mana base.

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Yeah, Beregond is the cooler Daniel.
There's another card that is better than Erkenbrand. [[Goldnight Commander]]

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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oh wow i probably need that one in case i dont have humans creatures

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its the cathe crusade as a creature

undone cedar
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Yeah. [[Starlight Spectacular]] is also good. It's cheaper and easier to keep track than Cathars' Crusade.

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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kind of... because if your creatures can be blocked, the amount put onto each one matters

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so its actually super hard to keep track of total power toughness for each target

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the effect with lining everyone up is funny tho [[light up the stage]] flavour text

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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oh cool. I'll probably need that card for my future deck ideas.

undone cedar
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I've added and removed a few cards in the Considering pile.
I think some of them might work, like [[Accorder Paladin]], [[Fiendslayer Paladin]], or [[Hope Against Hope]].

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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There may be some cards that caught your interest.

undone cedar
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This card caught my eye. [[Take the Bait]]

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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its a scary fog effect

glacial herald
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i cant say it is bad in any decks that can run it, although when you have a full board of creatures, it is kinda unlikely for that opponent to swing at you in the first place, so in that case you are giving that person an extra combat to attack which may tap down all their creatures

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best case, someone is not afraid of your board and swings out at your opponents. taps down everything, you force extra combat, taps down everything again. no blockers on your turn

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worst case, they have vigilance creatures, not a single attacker died, attack and combat damage triggers go crazy

undone cedar
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Yeah, that makes sense.

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For now I'll just save it for later

glacial herald
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i wish those fun cards are printed more often

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i hardly see them since it is not. the most popular set

undone cedar
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Yeah, these kind of cards are fun to play. I didn't know about the set but I may took a look at it later.

glacial herald
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kUrder at mArlov manor just the average flavour fail/missed the mark in universe set

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OTJ, Duskmourn, and aetherdrift all has some weird cards that are basically powercreep or generically good cards in random decks. but they are like the bulk janks that no one bat an eye

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the best commander staples are ofc from the cOmMaNdEr Horizon sets

undone cedar
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Would [[Fall From Favor]] be better removal than [[Fiend Hunter]]?

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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Actually, if I have more than enough human creature cards then it may be better to switch that with [[Fealty to the Realm]] since it's already in the precon

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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Nevermind, I went through the deck and made a couple of changes to the decklist. I think it's a little better now.

glacial herald
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fall from favor is ok as a card but unlike field its not a human and doesnt actually remove something off the board (any static/trigger ability stays). i didnt count how many monarch is in the deck; since more things giving monarch doesnt stack. if you lose it you can take it back with either combat or a etb monarch trigger

undone cedar
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[[Riders of Gavony]] seems useful. I’m not sure what I would cut tho

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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me either, it does look like a good protection evasion piece in the right scenario. Since its creature type, it would either stop someone from coming at you or give the one sided alpha strike KO. Similar to take the bait, i would cut the same thing that you would have cut for that card

undone cedar
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I'll keep it as a close maybe for now. It might not be needed unless I'm playing against kindred decks more often.

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Do you think [[Tori D'Avenant, Fury Rider]] would be better than [[Adriana, Captain of the Guard]]?

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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depends on board state

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adriaba is more big creature with its anthem

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tori is more ability but it only matters if power toughness gets through

undone cedar
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I guess I'll just playtest adriana for now and try to note how much I benefited from the higher power toughness

glacial herald
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sounds good

undone cedar
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How’s the mana curve? There isn't too many high mana cards?

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And what do you think I should add from the sideboard and consideration list?
I thought these cards may be good to try: [[Student of Warfare]], [[Paladin Class]], and/or [[Tocasia's Welcome]]

sterile escarpBOT
teal kiln
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Here's my decklist if you'd like to compare. It runs pretty good imo

glacial herald
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i think those are all decent cards. although it will forsure affect the curve, i dont think it would be in a negative way since those are all low cost spells, even if it cost more for the upgrade the initial cost is minimal

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didnt check sideboard/other list

undone cedar
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Thanks. I'll take a look at that deck list.

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Sorry, I meant to say if I currently have a bit too much high mana cards in the deck list.
I thought those cards could be good at reducing the mana curve while maintaining aggro.

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Maybe I need more haste enablers?

teal kiln
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Could use [[mass hysteria]]

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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This seems good even if I don't pay for X. [[Champions from Beyond]]

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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yes, as long as you have 4+ attacking creature

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[[preordain]] on repeat is not bad

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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8 creatures do seems pretty hard

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[[mark of the horn]]

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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i would do this first

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6 creatures at 3 opponents = dig 15 deep and grab 3

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it skipps your lands/utility spells but maintain card advantage in the best way possible

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with enough creatures, champ from beyond is worth it imo

undone cedar
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I already have horn of the mark. But thanks for the advice. I'll playtest to see how often I reach 8+ creatures.

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Also I'll probably need to playtest more to find which cards tend to be dead cards or often accumulates in my hand.

glacial herald
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yeah

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otherwise its hard %math

undone cedar
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So far, this deck has been weak against flying or -1/-1 effects. What cards do you think I can swap to improve the deck more?

teal kiln
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[[Silver-wing squadron]] has helped me alot against flying

sterile escarpBOT
teal kiln
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I've got alot of lord effects that hit humans or knights, plus [[Adriana, captain of the guard]] to give melee. If someone's got flying or threatens to nuke your tokens, player removal it is snapCool

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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Thanks for the suggestions. I tested Adriana but I wasn't sure if that did better than [[Door of Destinies]].

sterile escarpBOT
teal kiln
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Just gotta keep in mind it is a token aggro deck at its core, you're 9 times out of 10 gonna start to putter out come the mid to late game

undone cedar
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Yeah, true. I'll remove some cards in my Considering List. Then it might be easier to decide what to test out.

undone cedar
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How does the deck look now?

teal kiln
undone cedar
teal kiln
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The humans can get moderately big on their own but i included [[For the emperor!]]

sterile escarpBOT
teal kiln
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As well as [[and they shall know no fear]]

sterile escarpBOT
teal kiln
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The lifelink from the first one can seriously save ya

undone cedar
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How is the deck now?

teal kiln
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Me personally I took out alot of the monarch stuff (mostly to build a dedicated monarch deck later) because i found it to be too distracting from the general token theme. Most of the humans don't really have vigilance, and most don't fly so I mostly thought it was just too easy to lose the monarch.

[[Silverwing squadron]] however is a great human to get a big flying blocker.

I also think your hanweir garrison is kinda a nombo because it makes the humans on attack, and by then you're missing your eowyn trigger, completely whiffing the pay off portion of the commander

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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hamweir garrsion is still good for the other human etb triggers like beregond or lossarnach captain

teal kiln
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This is true

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I think lossarnach captain is one of best creatures in the deck, so maybe including a tutor or two to get her up would help

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And cathar's crusade can do wonders. If you don't mind how tedious it is lol

undone cedar
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Yeah lol, its why I've been holding off on it. The deck does seem powerful already. But something like it could help if the deck was going against stronger bracket 3 decks or bracket 4 decks.

teal kiln
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[[Shaun, father of synths]] is fun too to make copies of Eowyn. Can really generate you a ton of value very quickly

sterile escarpBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/pip/119/shaun-father-of-synths

Shaun, Father of Synths <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Scientist
Whenever you attack, you may create a tapped and attacking token that's a copy of target attacking legendary creature you control other than Shaun, except it's not legendary and it's a Synth artifact creature in addition to its other types.
When Shaun leaves the battlefield, exile all Synth tokens you control.
3/4

teal kiln
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Comes down and guarantees your eowyn trigger, then makes you another eowyn on attack lol

undone cedar
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Yeah, but that might work better if I were making a copy/clone deck.

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The precon came with [[Flamerush Rider]], which could work better since I can copy things like Cathar Commando, Riders of Rohan, or get the ETB of any legendary creature.

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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I don't think I could copy Combat Celebrant tho. Since the copy would enter already attacking and it can't stay for the second combat step, right?

teal kiln
sterile escarpBOT
teal kiln
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But it is 6 mana, buuuut it does have haste

undone cedar
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[[Redoubled Stormsinger]] looks very good for any token deck

sterile escarpBOT
glacial herald
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redoubler is amazing for a 3 drop but it isnt a human so it can be awkward with eowyn, i would love that in just aboout any combat aggro red deck that isnt golbins/heavy tribal focus

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in this deck it is a significantly worse but budget [[!roaming throne]]

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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Maybe [[Overpowering Attack]]

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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[[Make a Stand]] is just 1 mana more expensive than And They Shall Know No Fear, but is much cheaper to buy

sterile escarpBOT
undone cedar
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I think I'll test the current iteration of the deck for about a month

teal kiln
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Sounds like a good amount of testing!

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Hope it runs well