#Mono-Blue Control/Tempo: For the love of the game

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outer pier
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Hello all! This decklist is not supposed to be Oops! All Counterspells.dek, but something closer to a turbo fog deck.
The current wincons are as follows:

  1. Lab Man: This deck can start drawing the entire deck with cards like [[The Magic Mirror]] or [[Archmage Emeritus]].
  2. Beatdown: Beat face with token armies or various 6/6 bodies.
  3. Control softlock: Ulting a [[Tamiyo, the Moon Sage]] or sticking a [[Hullbreaker Horror]] is usually enough to successfully 3v1 the table.

Current Problems:

  1. Too many cards: If you set the Group By to Categories (multiple), you will see a category called Just Added. These came in the mail today and I am struggling to figure out what to cut.
  2. Too many counterspells (allegedly): My playgroup thinks that 15 counterspells is too much, which ones should I cut, and how many should I go down to?

Upcoming (potential) changes:

  1. If I can get my hands on an old border foil [[force of negation]], I will want to run it in this deck.
  2. Hall of Storm Giants is my manland of choice, and once I acquire one, it will be going in.
  3. I am currently considering if Archmage Ascention would be a good combo in this deck.

https://archidekt.com/decks/16727498/for_the_love_of_the_game

Archidekt
For the Love of the Game • (Mono-Blue Commander deck) • Archidekt

Ojer Pakpatiq, Deepest Epoch // Temple of Cyclical Time - Commander deck

(1) Commander • (1) Bounce • (6) Bounceables • (3) Copy • (13) Draw • (6) Draw Engines • (3) Finisher • (8) Hard Counterspells • (32) Land • (5) Protection • (8) Ramp • (6) Recursion • (5) Removal • (5) Soft Counterspells • (3) Tokens • (2) ...

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https://scryfall.com/card/avr/79/tamiyo-the-moon-sage

Tamiyo, the Moon Sage <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Tamiyo
+1: Tap target permanent. It doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
−2: Draw a card for each tapped creature target player controls.
−8: You get an emblem with "You have no maximum hand size" and "Whenever a card is put into your graveyard from anywhere, you may return it to your hand."
Loyalty: 4

outer pier
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good bot

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Update: I've managed to get down to 100 cards and have cut 1 counterspell :D

outer pier
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Update: I've swapped flare of denial out for a secret lair print of rewind

junior wagon
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does it work [[Marang River Regent]]

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junior wagon
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omen and rebound

junior wagon
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@outer pier
no notificaitons?

outer pier
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both omens and adventures gain rebound, and you can chose where it goes (rebound zone, adventure zone, or library)

junior wagon
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nice thats a cool interaction, i remember playing a bit with the ... [[taigma oppotunist]]

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No card found for “taigma oppotunist”

junior wagon
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[[taigam master oppo]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/tdm/60/taigam-master-opportunist

Taigam, Master Opportunist <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Monk
Flurry — Whenever you cast your second spell each turn, copy it, then exile the spell you cast with four time counters on it. If it doesn't have suspend, it gains suspend. (At the beginning of its owner's upkeep, they remove a time counter. When the last is removed, they may play it without paying its mana cost. If it's a creature, it has haste.)
2/2

junior wagon
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no, the blue white one

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basically give all my spells rebound, so i try to play things that doesnt need a target to resolve on my upkeep or modal counterspells so the option to pick another mode is allowed

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your list is pretty stacked as well so its hard to find room for more

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[[taigam ojutai master]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/c17/46/taigam-ojutai-master

Taigam, Ojutai Master <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Monk
Instant, sorcery, and Dragon spells you control can't be countered.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell from your hand, if Taigam attacked this turn, that spell gains rebound. (Exile the spell as it resolves. At the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast that card from exile without paying its mana cost.)
3/4

junior wagon
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blue and counterspells is always the hard part but i think its mostly personal preference

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usually 1 counterspell in hand at all time is enough to deal with the main threat

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and rarely need more than 2 in hand at once

outer pier
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My friends hate the amount I run lol

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junior wagon
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yeah, without [[telepathy]] on board, knowing that one person have all the power to potentially counter anything you plan is not the best feeling 😅

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junior wagon
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and ofc its also a blue card

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and in the case where the counterspell player is the one with the most cards (like 10+) its safe to assume he can counter your next 2-3 spells, so it all of a sudden becomes stax where you just either cant play anything and stip the turn, or run into the counters before passing

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imo it is a bit of a powerlevel and interaction mismatch

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but part of it is that its really hard to stop counterspells that doesnt target permanent

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green counterspells are [[heroic intervention]] other colours can redirect [[bolt bend]]

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junior wagon
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which are much priceier than a [[$counterspell]] as well to do less

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/114/counterspell

Prices for Counterspell
Secret Lair Drop

$216.20 • €108.92

Secret Lair Drop

$21.48 • €21.60

Secret Lair Drop

$10.88 • €7.11

URL/Convention Promos

$64.62

Duskmourn: House of Horror Commander

$1.34 • €2.47 • 0.22 TIX

Mystery Booster 2

$2.35 • €3.86

MagicFest 2024

$2.82 • €4.74

Secret Lair Drop

$499.00

Commander Masters

$1.27 • €1.38 • 0.47 TIX

Commander Masters

$1.61 • €2.46 • 0.46 TIX

junior wagon
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but like i said, its that "feel bad" rather than a logical "play around it properly"

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sometimes thats what needs to be done

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social charisma should negate some of the salt from countless counterspells

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anyways back to the deck

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i dont see the need of skullclamp in here with all the draws

junior wagon
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such a strong start

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for the most part i dont really see any bad cards esp when you seems to know you colour

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the big cost spells would be my main concerns as they dont really get much value from the rebound

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[[aetherspouts]]

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junior wagon
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at the same time protection is needed so its tough to find that synergy

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junior wagon
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but 1 toughness to draw off

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😅

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i dont see those

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Token generators

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There are two i think

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Good for blocking

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[[Murmering Mystic]] and [[Hermes, overseer of elpis]]

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Makes every spell generate a couple draws

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Main issue I've noticed is not being able to end the game super gracefully. If I land hullbreaker horror, yes I could kill everyone through combat damage, but I also have enough mana to lock everyone out of the game. Same with crystal shard and tamiyo's ult. My playgroup has trouble conceding, and this deck is supposed to help them with that a bit lol

junior wagon
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lol

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the joy of having a consistent play group

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cant relate

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i didnt even noticed how big of a powercreep from murmiring to hermes

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its arguablly a better talrand that doesnt look like counterspeed tribal

outer pier
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It's 100% better. The scry and the fact it triggers on noncreature spells

junior wagon
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well, talrand only plays instant sorcerys, maybe a few mana rock

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that comes out before talrand is on board

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so if it is focusing on 2/2 flyers the power sort of matters

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but the hate on this is going to be so much lesser

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since they are 1/1s

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junior wagon
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and oyur table complains about too many counterspells? 🤦

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i dont want to see a farewell main deck every game or most of any games

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junior wagon
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i only run [[rest in peace]] in one deck one time and it felt too much

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I've been thinking about [[Fleeting Reflection]] in this deck

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junior wagon
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lol i am looking at this exact card this whole time

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still deciding if i need to buy it

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and it got mentioned again in the most recent edhrec vid for "overperformer"

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the untap on your unkeep part is wasted but the copy is really nice

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the fact you can turn a 1/1 into a lethal threat

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100%

junior wagon
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although i want to troll the avacyn with an [[vapor snag]]

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Lol

junior wagon
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"you did this to yourself"

outer pier
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I've also been thinking about [[mystic reflection]]

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junior wagon
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its the best "counterspell" for commander

outer pier
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Make your token generators spit out more Murmering mystics

junior wagon
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but i only really want it if my own deck can benefit from it

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because if you dont have like a [[treasure vault]]

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I only have 3 token generators in the deck atm, maybe I add talrand back in

junior wagon
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its kinda hard to make lot of tokens at once

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oh and mystric ref dont even work

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with artifact

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Fountainport could always work

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Fish

junior wagon
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[[fountainport]] only makes 1

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Yeah

junior wagon
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that foretell card cares about a [[avenger zendikar]] mass token

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junior wagon
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entering at once

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True

junior wagon
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mono blue dont do that very well

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Didn't think of that lol

junior wagon
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i think i did it with....

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[[days of the dragon]] in my [[heilod dawn crowned]]

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No card found for “heilod dawn crowned”

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[[heliod radiant dawn]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/17/heliod-the-radiant-dawn-heliod-the-warped-eclipse

Heliod, the Radiant Dawn <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
When Heliod enters, return target enchantment card that isn't a God from your graveyard to your hand.
mana3manaup: Transform Heliod. Activate only as a sorcery. (manaup can be paid with either manau or 2 life.)
"Compleat the faith, compleat the god." —Ajani Goldmane
4/4

Heliod, the Warped Eclipse
Legendary Enchantment Creature — Phyrexian God
You may cast spells as though they had flash.
Spells you cast cost mana1 less to cast for each card your opponents have drawn this turn.
"Compleat the god, compleat the plane." —Ajani Goldmane
4/6

junior wagon
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super troll and i messed up the combo but it was a shock the table moment when they hear those names

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Oh dang

junior wagon
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if i did it right, i would have been able to loop my ETB each round and keep making more dragons at a low cost

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but i can say i did an achievement "Flash out Days of the Dragon mid-combat" to make Red flyers in a azorius deck

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in case the hybrid mana rule goes through, [flotsam jetsam]]

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[[flotsam jeysam]]

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junior wagon
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then every mono blue or golgari deck can run it

outer pier
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That's definitely one to keep an eye on

junior wagon
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yeah, the 6 mana non creature [[diluvian primordial]]
the ultimate [[spelltwine]]

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junior wagon
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those cards i have problem playing well in decks i tried

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too high of a cost

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you have hidetide in your deck right? i may have missed it

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Didn't end up making the cut i think

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In the sideboard

junior wagon
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i would run that over a generic ramp

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since you get it twice with rebound

outer pier
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Maybe cut arcane signet for it?

junior wagon
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that doesnt sound right let me check

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was thinking [[search for azcanta]] but the back can get cards

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https://scryfall.com/card/xln/74/search-for-azcanta-azcanta-the-sunken-ruin

Search for Azcanta <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Enchantment
At the beginning of your upkeep, surveil 1. Then if you have seven or more cards in your graveyard, you may transform Search for Azcanta. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card into your graveyard.)
The Sunken Ruin houses all the learning of a long-forgotten age.

Azcanta, the Sunken Ruin
Legendary Land
(Transforms from Search for Azcanta.)
manat: Add manau.
mana2manau, manat: Look at the top four cards of your library. You may reveal a noncreature, nonland card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.

junior wagon
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maybe [[conqueror's galleon]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/xln/234/conquerors-galleon-conquerors-foothold

Conqueror's Galleon <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact — Vehicle
When this Vehicle attacks, exile it at end of combat, then return it to the battlefield transformed under your control.
Crew 4 (Tap any number of creatures you control with total power 4 or more: This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.)
2/10

Conqueror's Foothold
Land
(Transforms from Conqueror's Galleon.)
manat: Add manac.
mana2, manat: Draw a card, then discard a card.
mana4, manat: Draw a card.
mana6, manat: Return target card from your graveyard to your hand.

junior wagon
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another thing i want to add... need to find the name

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whenever something targets, you draw for EACH target

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dont really like [[as foretold]] in most decks

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junior wagon
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although its the best it gets in here

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should be fine

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is [[intrude on the mind]] the same as [[fact or fiction]] wording

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junior wagon
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ah

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its the izzet version

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that can be tough to use but at least it makes a thopter

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[[Stormchaser drake]] on steoroids, present you [[Voracious bibliophile]]

funny to use [[Transcendant dragon]] to steal someone's commander XD

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junior wagon
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although it has no synergy with anything

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thats my current testing ground with [[COme back wrong]] and [[necromantic selection]] to see their reaction

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junior wagon
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[[$Transcendant dragon]] is above my price range is not available any here

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junior wagon
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oh wait nvm its cheap af

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i need a copy next time i find one

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junior wagon
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I mistake bibliophile as a drake so it took me way too long to find it

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but that clause is insane

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spell cast? you target? MULTIPLE targets????

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Lol

junior wagon
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i am putting it in niche deck so i can do like aura tribal or something

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but in a normal deck your counterspells are going to draw at least 1

outer pier
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Ima have to save that one lol

junior wagon
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yeah thats the one major thing i didnt see in your list

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i want to know if as foretold works, if you got update on that let me know 😄

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i had it in Pir and Toothy... never got it before the game ends

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plan on using it with proliferate deck next time

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junior wagon
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XD make sense

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Free counterspell each turn is nuts

junior wagon
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when i got that card in my hand, the game ends on T5 or the next 2 turns

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maybe i just dont have enough instants in the build

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It's any spell lol

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So flash enabler works too

junior wagon
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i think next time i play it i will use it with [[glimpse of tomorrow]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/129/glimpse-of-tomorrow

Glimpse of Tomorrow

Sorcery
Suspend 3—manarmanar
Shuffle all permanents you own into your library, then reveal that many cards from the top of your library. Put all non-Aura permanent cards revealed this way onto the battlefield, then do the same for Aura cards, then put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.

junior wagon
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yeah i am not a blue player 😅

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at B2, the table mostly play at sorcery speed

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Dang it immediately cheats out suspend cards huh

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Thats nuts

junior wagon
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i am the irresponsible player who run blue with no [[counterspell]] never once played this card in my life

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junior wagon
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[[arcane denial]] [[swan song]] [[disrupt]] [[dream fracture]] i played all those before but not legit counterspell

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junior wagon
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disrupt with [[taigam, ojutai]] was kinda funny

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https://scryfall.com/card/c17/46/taigam-ojutai-master

Taigam, Ojutai Master <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Monk
Instant, sorcery, and Dragon spells you control can't be countered.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell from your hand, if Taigam attacked this turn, that spell gains rebound. (Exile the spell as it resolves. At the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast that card from exile without paying its mana cost.)
3/4

outer pier
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My path has been something like this:
Removal good
Run more removal
Can't stop combo? Run counterspells
Counterspells require better timing on my part
More challenging games

junior wagon
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i am a [[possibility storm]] player, counterspell just means i can play a random instant that isnt double pip and can affect the game more

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https://scryfall.com/card/dgm/34/possibility-storm

Possibility Storm <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a player casts a spell from their hand, that player exiles it, then exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile a card that shares a card type with it. That player may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then they put all cards exiled with this enchantment on the bottom of their library in a random order.

junior wagon
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if i want to run counterspell i am running [[muddle the mixture]] and/or [[narset reversal]]

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junior wagon
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i want my spells to be able to [[twining staff]] and not fizzle the original

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outer pier
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Ooh yeah possibility storm is something I've thought about building around

junior wagon
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🙌

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i think we are new best friends at this rate

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favourite red enchantment

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Lol fr

junior wagon
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fav creature: [[rug of smoothering]]

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outer pier
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Lol yep that shuts down storm hard

junior wagon
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no, i am the storm player. i am putting that out with possibility storm

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made 3 copies one time with Volo guide to monsters, everyone life total was 12 at the highest while i got out my essence warden early

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i plan on using that with [[rowan, scion of war]] and [[mai, scornful striker]] in my next deck

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junior wagon
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yes i will hurt myself very badly but i will cast lot of things for nearly free

outer pier
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Oh dang I didn't even think of that

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My current favorite way to win is by storming off and pumping a creature large enough to deal lethal damage with my favorite sorcery: [[Chandra's Ignition]]

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junior wagon
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nice

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i see that as a 2 card win con too many times

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cant really decide which red deck deserves to play the most

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Melek was my first izzet deck

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Wincon was traumatize + Chandra's ignition

junior wagon
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gross X spells lol XD

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Lol

junior wagon
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izzet power matter?

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Kinda

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Currently am putting together [[Veyran, Voice of duality]]

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junior wagon
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right now i am trying to get out my [[spincrusher]] and [[exponential growth]] it to add humiliation to injury

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junior wagon
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card art is relevant

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Lol

junior wagon
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its a really bad slap to the face

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My favorite commander deck is also known as one of the most complicated cedh decks

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[[Tameshi, Reality Architect]]

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junior wagon
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i did [[mishra geni artificier]] once turn was too long

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No card found for “mishra geni artificier”

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No card found for “mishira genius artific”

junior wagon
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ehhh you know the card i think

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but yeah tameshi is a hard build around

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thats one i dont have a clear image on what to do with and then i got bored with blue white

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my archenemy colours 😒

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lol

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unironically kinda my favorite color combo according to how many decks I make in it

junior wagon
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oh no instant not best friend anymore XD

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my favourite blue enchantment is [[share fate]]

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junior wagon
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if you ever need to counter the table using rhystic study AND smoothering tithe

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this is the budget version of [[uba mask]]

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outer pier
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lol thats goofy

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uba mask I've been considering for my naya [[Rocco, Street Chef]] groupish hug deck

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https://scryfall.com/card/mat/44/rocco-street-chef

Rocco, Street Chef <:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
At the beginning of your end step, each player exiles the top card of their library. Until your next end step, each player may play the card they exiled this way.
Whenever a player plays a land from exile or casts a spell from exile, you put a +1/+1 counter on target creature and create a Food token. (It's an artifact with "mana2, manat, Sacrifice this token: You gain 3 life.")
2/4

junior wagon
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except hug group doesnt exist

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its harder to be pure group hug than just pop up a win con out of nowhere

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every [[tempt of discovery]] is a bait into the next big threat

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junior wagon
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but the table will still take it almost everytime

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100%

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its really a stealthy value engine deck

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I'm ramping alongside you I say with [[Oath ofd Lieges]] and [[Deep Gnome Terramancer]]

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outer pier
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we're all drawing cards I saw with [[howling mine]] and [[trouble in pairs]]

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junior wagon
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in the case of deep gnome, it would already be out BEFORE they made their decision

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although i can see people still going to do it

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greed for that 1 land

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but discard it early on

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since rocco dont really get the benefit from normal draw, i may not do howling mine for that hug

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as a non synergistic draw engine that is less likely to be targetted, i can see howling mine having its own place

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i do [[temple bell]] for more controlled draw with the ideal timing

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junior wagon
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[[inspired statuary]] + mine is kinda the dream best case scenario

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junior wagon
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in a green deck, that may not care about enchantment; i find it hard to use oath of lieges where i have the most land ramp

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its interesting since it also helps other players

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but the untap part can be scary

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the free [[rite of flourishing]]

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junior wagon
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if the deck has landfall trigger synergy it would be stronger

junior wagon
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i am rakdos identity all the way but mainly play 2 colours combination. i fail mono colour long ago and havent gone back to it

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junior wagon
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yeah that one is quite popular

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so many cards are good in it, i havent seen the 99 that stands out to me yet but the chaos wand stuff looks nice

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junior wagon
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yeah, consider my earliest commander is [[rakdos lord of riot]] and few others with similar cost reduction to nearly 0

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junior wagon
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rowan is much closer to my liking instead of generating treasure value

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[[anje fakenrath]]

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junior wagon
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that was the 2019 or something precon i got back then. rakdos value didnt interest me that much

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junior wagon
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what is on board? XD

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i did [[judith connoisseur of carnage]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/210/judith-carnage-connoisseur

Judith, Carnage Connoisseur <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Shaman
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, choose one —
• That spell gains deathtouch and lifelink.
• Create a 2/2 red Imp creature token with "When this token dies, it deals 2 damage to each opponent."
"I don't make my living hiding the truth, detective. I shout it from the stage."
3/4

junior wagon
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so one of the spell is [[ensnared by mara]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/who/84/ensnared-by-the-mara

Ensnared by the Mara <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Sorcery
Each opponent faces a villainous choice — They exile cards from the top of their library until they exile a nonland card, then you may cast that card without paying its mana cost, or that player exiles the top four cards of their library and Ensnared by the Mara deals damage equal to the total mana value of those exiled cards to that player.

junior wagon
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which is sometimes enough for convincing the table to give me their spells

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too bad it would do the opposite with prosper

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" We cant turn that into a free spell"

outer pier
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Lol fr

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outer pier
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Some other neat cards for this deck if the hybrid mana change happens: [[Teach by Example]] and [[Memory Plunder]]

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junior wagon
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[[dual cast]] is more than enough for me most of the time

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junior wagon
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oh wait wrong name

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there is one with foretell but they are all just different versions of [[reveberate]]

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junior wagon
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teach by example basically does the same except for some niche scenario where your last spell has either splitsecond or storm

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memory plunder would really only helps mono colour since the 4 pips makes it hard to play, and dimir was already the "mill" deck colour

outer pier
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yeah I don't think memory plunder is that great

junior wagon
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so teach by example in mono blue would be interesting

outer pier
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thats kinda what I was thinking

junior wagon
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although i would still be doing [[narset reversal]] instead

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outer pier
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we already have [[See Double]], but idk

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junior wagon
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yeah as much as the payoff looks so good

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most decks arent able to get 8 cards in opponents grave naturally

outer pier
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narsets doesn't work on the rebound

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teach by example would

junior wagon
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i mean in general, because i dont play the counterspell

outer pier
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[[Flotsam // Jetsam]] might help get to 8

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junior wagon
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for this deck i can see teach doing interesting things for sure, esply at instant speed

outer pier
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also its just a fun card

junior wagon
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yeah i got amazing things out of jetsam

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i expect that rule change to go through since the next set come out in Jan

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wotc doesnt care about some push back but their intent really puts a bad taste in players mouth

outer pier
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yeah, I just wish I could run [[Tamiyo, Inquisitive Student]] in my non-green decks

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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/242/tamiyo-inquisitive-student-tamiyo-seasoned-scholar

Tamiyo, Inquisitive Student <:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Moonfolk Wizard
Flying
Whenever Tamiyo attacks, investigate. (Create a Clue token. It's an artifact with "mana2, Sacrifice this token: Draw a card.")
When you draw your third card in a turn, exile Tamiyo, then return her to the battlefield transformed under her owner's control.
0/3

Tamiyo, Seasoned Scholar
Legendary Planeswalker — Tamiyo
+2: Until your next turn, whenever a creature attacks you or a planeswalker you control, it gets -1/-0 until end of turn.
−3: Return target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard to your hand. If it's a green card, add one mana of any color.
−7: Draw cards equal to half the number of cards in your library, rounded up. You get an emblem with "You have no maximum hand size."
Loyalty: 2

junior wagon
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rule zero with the table

outer pier
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only works when you don't win often ;w;

junior wagon
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its the same thing when you want a silverborder deck

outer pier
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tamiyo is a mean card lol

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I tried building it as a commander deck multiple times

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its very fast

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also the ojer deck identity looks silly:

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outer pier
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lol

junior wagon
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why is there a broken mana at the end

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is it the hybird mana thingy

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yeah manamorphose is a card i wouldnt put in every deck

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i only run it in the [[niv mizzet reborn]]/ alternative nivs for perfect synergy

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https://scryfall.com/card/war/208/niv-mizzet-reborn

Niv-Mizzet Reborn <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Dragon Avatar
Flying
When Niv-Mizzet enters, reveal the top ten cards of your library. For each color pair, choose a card that's exactly those colors from among them. Put the chosen cards into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
6/6

junior wagon
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it basically triggers all the multi colour spell cast for mana0. no floor, high ceiling

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it feels cheating even in B3 power

outer pier
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I run it in [[aragorn, the uniter]]

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junior wagon
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yeah free spell too good in commander Xp

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and the price doesnt matter to me when i only own the one that i would never trade/sell

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its a self-restriction/powerlevel adjustment to decide whenever every good card should go in every deck that CAN play it

outer pier
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true

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I am excited about [[Ognis, the dragon's lash]] and [[cunning nightbonder]] for my [[Sonic the Hedgehog]] deck

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junior wagon
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oh lol, forgot about Ognis, i seen the mono red version of it kinda busted

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nightbonder is interesting too since there are so few flash tribal support

outer pier
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its just good value for sonic lol

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100%

junior wagon
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yeah, Gotta go fast is no longer just a meme

outer pier
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lol the decklist is tough to modify imo

junior wagon
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too many card options?

outer pier
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yes, but too many "too good" options

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I have a hard time finding any flex slots

junior wagon
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the good stuff problem

outer pier
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ye

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32 total creatures in the deck atm, I should prly bump that up

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18 with flash and 10 with haste

junior wagon
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meanwhile i try to find the worst playable cards and see if i can win with them in the deck

outer pier
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sonic is just very glass cannon

junior wagon
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how bad is your worst card

outer pier
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no clue lmao

junior wagon
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my was so bad that the person playing a thief deck got no value of it XD

outer pier
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xDD

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I have several I can see a theft deck having trouble with

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maybe I should make a separate post about it xD

junior wagon
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[[gift of the woods]] this was what he took from me

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junior wagon
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i had the half naked guy in the art

outer pier
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lmao

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beautiful

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10/10

junior wagon
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yeah, and since his commander needs to be unblockable, it was never blocked once that game

outer pier
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unironically would be a good steal in my mono-black theft deck

junior wagon
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i think i can use that if i put together [[doran, siege tower]] a giant growth on repeat hell yeah

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junior wagon
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just never find the green white colour identity interesting enough to play, earthbending may change my mind

outer pier
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it was a [[Ellivere of the Wild Court]] modified precon

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https://scryfall.com/card/woc/2/ellivere-of-the-wild-court

Ellivere of the Wild Court <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Knight
Whenever Ellivere enters or attacks, create a Virtuous Role token attached to another target creature you control. (If you control another Role on it, put that one into the graveyard. Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 for each enchantment you control.)
Whenever an enchanted creature you control deals combat damage to a player, draw a card.
4/4

junior wagon
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oh nice, i got a copy of that and want to use it in the 99

outer pier
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its very powerful lol

junior wagon
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rn i am doing [[the rani]] which is somewhat similar?

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https://scryfall.com/card/who/149/the-rani

The Rani <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Time Lord Scientist
Whenever The Rani enters or attacks, create a red Aura enchantment token named Mark of the Rani attached to another target creature. That token has enchant creature and "Enchanted creature gets +2/+2 and is goaded."
Whenever a goaded creature deals combat damage to one of your opponents, investigate.
3/4

junior wagon
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etb attack, make aura

outer pier
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lol that is similar

junior wagon
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except this is a "role" that can stack

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havent been able to get the GW aura cards i want to play with [[almost perfect]]

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junior wagon
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if i find a copy i would do it

outer pier
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lol thats a goofy card

junior wagon
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rn i only have [[colossification]]

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outer pier
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I have that in my mono green marwyn deck

junior wagon
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ah marwyn can afford the mana cost

outer pier
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yep

junior wagon
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for me, i want weird things but just barely good enough

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so i may need those [[slippery bogle]] + mutate

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junior wagon
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or just an [[invisible stalker]] one shot

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junior wagon
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with aura swap

outer pier
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lol yeah thats very niche

junior wagon
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aura outside of enchantress is very underplayed

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even tho [[imprison in the moon]] [[song of dryads]] [[darksteel mutation]] are so good by not removing the permanent of the board

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junior wagon
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off

outer pier
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was thinking about [[favor of the overbeing]] for aragorn

junior wagon
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most versatile and interesting than path/swords

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outer pier
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since it helps me have protection against my friends angel deck

junior wagon
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that one is fine, flying vigilance are like the best combat abilities

outer pier
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ye

junior wagon
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my first 4 years of commander playing green is just losing to flyer everygame

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😭

outer pier
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lol I started running [[chaosphere]] and [[spidersilk armor]] in all my decks

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junior wagon
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if i am smart i would put [[gravity well]] in most of my decks

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outer pier
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that works too xD

junior wagon
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but instead

outer pier
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chaosphere is hilarious tho

junior wagon
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i just do [[bower passage]] to commit more violent

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outer pier
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xD

junior wagon
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yeah chaosphere is the older card i havent find a copy at locals

outer pier
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yeah, just kill em before they kill you xD

outer pier
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so it can kill other world enchantments

junior wagon
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i ran [[invasion plan]] so i get to kill what i want

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outer pier
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oh dang

junior wagon
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or turn all but one unblockable

outer pier
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that seems like a sonic the hedgehog card

junior wagon
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[[taunting elves]] for everyone

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junior wagon
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oh wow [[$chaosphere]] is not cheap

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junior wagon
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need some reprint wotc

outer pier
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dang, I got mine for maybe $3-4

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its gone up lol

junior wagon
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[[light or flight]]

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junior wagon
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there is a red one for your combat for spliting blockers

outer pier
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main issue is the cmc

junior wagon
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tru

outer pier
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conflicts with sth

junior wagon
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i used it in a combat trick deck but never drew it in my hand :/

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havent been able to find a deck for it since

outer pier
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that always happens lol

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[[Defensive formation]] is my pet card and is almost always the 101st card in a deck

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outer pier
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completely stops trample damage. saved my ass one game and was never relevant again lol

junior wagon
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XD i want to use [[nature's blessing]] and mess with my opponent for playing it

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https://scryfall.com/card/me2/196/natures-blessing

Nature's Blessing <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
managmanaw, Discard a card: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature or that creature gains banding, first strike, or trample. (This effect lasts indefinitely. Any creatures with banding, and up to one without, can attack in a band. Bands are blocked as a group. If any creatures with banding a player controls are blocking or being blocked by a creature, that player divides that creature's combat damage, not its controller, among any of the creatures it's being blocked by or is blocking.)
"Be open to the blessings, whatever their form." —Kaysa, elder druid of the Juniper Order

junior wagon
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"lets bring back this wonderful mechanic called 'BANDING' "

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proceed to spend the next 10 minutes explain it to 3 month-old players

junior wagon
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my has all colour pips so they only fit into one commander deck if not the commander itself

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[[rakdos the deflier]] one of my worst deck in more ways than one

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junior wagon
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i am immediate the focus of attention wiith that in the command zone, regardless of it being blockable or not. And most of the time, i am red, i can give double strike, find ways to get around protection so my damage is unpreventable

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but dang it cant win 1 vs3. since it kills me for attacking even once or twice

outer pier
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Yeah, I can see that being a double edge sword lol

junior wagon
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i want my rakdos demon [[dryad arbor]] 🧂

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https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/273/dryad-arbor

Dryad Arbor

Land Creature — Forest Dryad
(This land isn't a spell, it's affected by summoning sickness, and it has "manat: Add manag.")
"Touch no tree, break no branch, and speak only the question you wish answered." —Von Yomm, elder druid, to her initiates
1/1

junior wagon
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[[bend or break]] if i have a play group this would happen

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junior wagon
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"The value of trust lies in the potential of betrayal."

outer pier
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Lmao that's golden

junior wagon
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Float all your mana, split lands into two piles of choice, pick a friendlyan opponent and beg for mercy as your trust issues intensify
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*watch the user aka meas the only one who loses everything *

junior wagon
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oh one more add >.> [[jin-gitaxias// the great sym]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/65/jin-gitaxias-the-great-synthesis

Jin-Gitaxias <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Ward mana2
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell with mana value 3 or greater, draw a card.
mana3manau: Exile Jin-Gitaxias, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control. Activate only as a sorcery and only if you have seven or more cards in hand.
5/5

The Great Synthesis
Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Draw cards equal to the number of cards in your hand. You have no maximum hand size for as long as you control this Saga.
II — Return all non-Phyrexian creatures to their owners' hands.
III — You may cast any number of spells from your hand without paying their mana costs. Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).

junior wagon
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the rebound being double draw is too good to miss out on

outer pier
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Ooh true

outer pier
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[[Namor, the Sub-Mariner]] might be an autoinclude for this deck

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junior wagon
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thats a new spoiler card right, already thinking of new adds when you havent even played the old verison XD

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i wonder if it has a good deck synergy with [[future sight]]